The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: De’Aaron Fox on Kings Contract Extension, The Beam, 1st Signature Curry Shoe & ‘23 Playoffs vs. Warriors

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

In this exciting episode of the Draymond Green Show w/ Baron Davis, we dive into the world of Sacramento Kings guard and NBA All-Star De'Aaron Fox! He talks about debuting his first signature shoe, The Fox 1, and what went into his decision to decline his contract extension. Hear about his incredible achievement of scoring 109 points in just two nights and how he found out about the iconic "Beam." Plus, De'Aaron shares how playing alongside DeMar DeRozan is shaping his game. To wrap things up, Draymond and De'Aaron break down the high-stakes 2023 first-round playoff series between the Kings and the Warriors.   4:00 - Start 7:00 -  Evolution of De'Aaron Fox  10:00 - Pace over speed 14:30 - No. 1 improvement  21:30 - First signature shoe, The Fox 1 24:00 -  Sneaker free agency  27:15 -  Scoring 109 Points in 2 nights 30:00 - DeRozan & Sabonis impact 35:00 - The Beam 42:30 -  Mike Brown's wildest coaching moment  46:00 - Kings playoff push  48:00 - 2023 Kings-Warriors series  55:00 - Dray & De'Aaron's Game 4 scuffle 1:03:00 Passing on Kings extension (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Herd  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm happy to have this incredible player back on the show. He was on the show when it was just a Draymond Green show. He haven't been on the show since there's been the Draymind Green with B.D. show. What's up, my dad? Just chilling, brother. But like I said, I'm happy to hire this next guest. I've had the honor of playing against this next guest in a playoff series, which amongst a lot of people always create beef with this guy.

It's just a lot of love, and we compete and we talk. he talk on the court way more than y'all know he'd talk he never makes it too obvious but he talk way more than y'all know he talked uh he's an all-star he's a clutch player at a year and my opinion definitely the fastest point guard in the league um you can argue with your mama that's just how i feel but none another the one and only sacramento king's all-star guard d'aira fox what up player welcome to go to you guys go to y'all man, I appreciate y'all having me, brother. Yes, sir. You're rich, rich. Two Christmas trees? That, brother. I ain't, I ain't a lot.

We got five. Oh, my God. We got two in the living room, and then we got three in the four years. Oh, wow. This is amazing. Come on, darling. You love the Christmas fair. We got to see some black Santa gear,

compliments of me and J-Mond. My birthday, five days, five days before Christmas. So I love a season. That's what's amazing, man. That's amazing. My son, December 22nd. He right there. Yes, sir. Happy holidays, my brother. Happy holidays. I'm a big fan, man. You are actually my youngest son's favorite player. I don't know if you remember when we came to Sacramento. I came to a Sacramento game.

I think Rico was coaching at the time. But we just flew up to see my son wanted to see you play. And when he met you, he was done. He wanted to fly back to L.A. I remember a couple years ago. Plus, just know, Rico, I got a lot of great things to say about you and you talk about you all the time. Oh, man, that's my dog. Shout out to Rico Hans.

But he had a number of great stuff to say your work ethic, you know, how much you were a dog. And when my youngest son was like, yo, dad, that's my favorite player. I was like, how do you know him? He said, I watch it. I watch him. And I was like, oh, let me start tapping in. You know what I mean? Because I was mad at you from the UCLA guys.

How you did it's like that? So I was holding the grudge, bro. But, you know, one, I just love your game. Everything you bring to the NBA. Being tagged the fastest player in the league is, you know, one thing. I think for you, when I watch you is just your overall leadership. Can you just talk to us about just the evolution? You know what I mean?

of Deeran Fox, you know, and still being with the same organization. So the trials and tribulations, you know, that you have to go through to get where you are. One, like coming in, like, when I got drafted, Kings had already missed the playoffs for 11 years, right? So I already, I'd know this. But I tried not to let that, you know, be the weight on my shoulders. Like, it's not my fault. Like, I wasn't in the league when they was missing the playoffs. So coming in knowing that I was pretty much.

I was starting behind a lot of, like, guys that was in my draft, like Markell went to Philly. Philly had already had been and Joelle, so they were up and coming. Boston was already in the conference finals, I think, the year before we got drafted. So JT's going to a good spot. Phoenix was obviously building, L.A. was building. And I'm like, the Kings had already promised me, like, yo, if you're at five, we're taking you. So I kind of already knew I was going there.

So coming in, like, I knew that it was going to be a challenge. but as the years kind of went through, went by, I'm like, how can I get better? How can I get stronger? How can I possibly get more athletic and things like that? So just going into every season, I started to learn the game. And I tell kids all the time, you play from high school to college, wasn't a jump for me at all. And obviously, that's why we see a lot of one and duns. And some people do take longer, but a lot of one and done is because that game ain't that

different. But then you go from college to the NBA where you're 17, 18, 19. Now you're playing against grown men who feed their families with this game. And I learned that real, real quick with how serious that this is taken. And it took me time to get adjusted. But once I got adjusted to it, I feel like I've continued to get better. And I feel like the sky's the limit. And then just with leadership, man, playing with so many guys.

Like there's been, I don't know how many players. I'm in year eight. I don't know how many guys from like my second year team that are still in the league. So being able to see that revolving door of how many people have come in and out, I'm like, I continue to step my game up. Two, I got to continue to be a professional. And three, once my game, once I start getting older and my game starts to, you know, dwindow everybody slows down at some point.

What can keep me in the league? And that's kind of, no, I don't, I mean, I feel like I'm still getting better. Obviously, I'm only 20, probably 22. Yeah. But that leadership role. Jesus, 27. Wow. But that leadership role, and if I'm not playing that many minutes or if I'm not playing at all,

how can I help a team? And I feel like, like with my voice and with my knowledge, I feel like I'm starting to kind of turn that corner. Yeah, I also think you turn in the corner as far as just being, you know, a lot of people, oh, it's speed, it's speedy to speed. You've been able to kind of like now become a pace change. It's funny because whenever you actually said that, I was going to be like,

I think I play with pace more than I'm just running fast. Big-o. For sure. That pace is that big thing for me because, yeah, sure, I can continue to run 100 miles per hour, but who is that helping? Like, that's not helping. It's not helping my team.

And I'm just getting tired while I'm doing it. So at pace, being able to play pace while being extremely fast, extremely quick, I feel like has really taken my game to the next level. That's a fact, because you can turn the Jets on, whatever you want to. And when you turn it on, when you play with the pace like you play at now,

when you turn the jet song, it's almost like, damn it, I forgot he was that fast. You know what I'm saying? But for someone who just give you that all the time, it's easy to go. It's easy to get it.

You can game plan for speed. Like, at a certain point, if you're just going to be fast, you can game plan for that. But when you are fast and you got that change of pace, how you, like,

I'd say 50%. And you're one of those fast, super athletic people. So, like, your fast walk is a job. People be like, yo, you don't understand how fast you're moving. I'm like, bro, I didn't even run you. Yeah. Your fast walk is like a really hard job. And so I feel like you spend most of your time at that speed.

And then you... Yeah, I mean, honestly, honestly, I would say, like, maybe two or three times in a game. Like with the ball, I'm really sprinting. But other than that... Yeah, I don't... I see you go... I see you playing like you go from 30 to 60, 80, 70,

like even in the half court, I think your game has evolved, being able to play isolation and off the pick and roll it and be able to wait. And then take the... Like, you can go zero to 60 fast. than anybody. You know what I mean? And so I feel like you've learned how to go 30, zero to 30, then 30 to 60 before anybody can get catch up to you. And I think that's really

been the evolution of like, your picking role game, your ISO game. So it's not even like, you're not even going fast no more. You know what I mean? You just, you move fast. You know what I mean? Like you move fast. Your moves are much faster. They more precise. And I think, you know, That's why you are the clutch player at a year, right? You can get fouled. You know how to get fouled. You know, it's just great to see. Yeah, and it took a lot of time to learn that.

Like, like you said, man, with a lot of guys who are faster or more athletic than everybody that they've played against up until a certain point, it's like, what's going to separate you when you get to the top? Because, guys like, guys like, Zion, yeah, Zion's going to be that, you know, 0.01% of guys who can be the most athletic in high school, go into college, be the most athletic. And then going to the NBA, and you're still the most athletic. But it's not many guys that's like that. So how can you separate yourself in terms of your athleticism or whatever gift that you were given? Try to evolve that. And I feel like that's what I've done. And like continuing to try to do, continue to work at, continue to try to be in control of how fast you're moving.

And I think that's where, you know, a lot of guys who, you know, I was either one compared to or guys who've come in after me that were compared to me, where they were super athletic, but then you see them in two, three years, and they're gone. And it's like, well, I'm getting this guy stick. I was like, well, he was just fast. He couldn't play. He wasn't a basketball player.

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you talked about like your jump from college, from high school to college, and then your jump from college to the NBA was way more drastic. What was the number one thing outside of the pace that you'd say you had to improve in order to become the All-Star and the face of the franchise that you become? Like, guys that get drafted where you get drafted become the face of the franchise initially, let's face it. Most of them aren't the face of the franchise for a long time to be able to sustain that. What was the thing outside of just the pace that you had to improve the most?

I would say one physicality, like 1,000 percent. Like, I was a skinny guy coming into a grown man's league, and two was the understanding of the game. I said, we're playing an entirely different game. So, like, from year one to year two, I feel like I made a really big jump. And I think from year two on it upward, I feel like I've constantly just gotten better, but the jumps haven't been as drastic from my first year. So that's, that was really the biggest thing.

Like I said, man, you're playing, you're playing basketball, but you're playing a whole different sport than you playing in college. This is an entire different sport. And once you actually learn it and you start to really understand the game, even if you're not the most athletic or you don't shoot the best, understanding the game can keep you on the court and can keep you on the league for a real long time. And I feel like that's what, like exactly, that time was that switch. Yeah, no, for sure.

I feel like my rookie year was like you walk in and everything is the first time so you don't really have a feel. But the second year, like, you remember how you felt walking in all those arenas. And, like, now, I got to change my approach. So when you say that drastic leap, you know what I mean? I think that's, like, every point guard has to go through that. You know what I'm saying? In order to understand, like, okay, where do I fit in?

And how am I going to build my game and get better? and like people understand who I am and learn how to, you know, play my style to play. Sometimes you got to get thrown in the fire. But, hey, everybody can't handle the fire. So like, that's why it's a revolving door. You see dudes in here for a year, maybe two,

and they disappear and we all wondering what they're at. It's because they couldn't handle what goes on in this league. Facts. That is big facts. Last week, well, first off, before I move to the question, congratulations. And what I'm saying, congratulations to. Last week, your first signature shoe, the Fox One drop, which, as we all know, is not a small feat in the NBA.

Everybody think, like, just having, like, your own shoe is like, you know, coming into the league, you think, like, oh, that's just what it's going to be. man, that is hard as hell to do. You know, your first shoe release last week, just what did it mean to you? You know, your first shoe release, Fox One under Curry brand. I know Steph, as one of your favorite players coming up.

Like, what did it all mean to you? How did it get done? You know, if you ultimately, I think leaving Nike and then become a Curry brand under armor. signing under Curry brand, which I think is super. No, it was, it was, I mean, it meant the world, man. It's, it's nothing like it.

Like you said, like people, people think that, one, that stuff just happens, but especially coming from a brand like that who's been around and, like, touching every single sport, like, it's not, you know, I ain't throwing shots at people, but like, when you have those smaller brands who just give, you know, if they sign an NBA player, they're going to give them a shoot. Like, it's not the pain. This is a brand that's been around for decades and done a lot of things. So just being able to be a part of that is a blessing, man.

And then doing it under Steph's brand and being the first player, that was big for me. So like for me at the end was it was Curry Brand. It was New Balance. Those are the two. And New Balance actually offered me more. But Curry Brand offered me a sick. So I'm like, okay, I'm not hard on money.

I'm good. I'm good. It was like you get one of the shoes and stuff. So I'm like, like, you know, we continue to get better. And where we were, we had just played John in the playoffs. So I'm like, okay, like, we're projecting. Hopefully we can keep this thing going. And now, you know, you can play on TV more.

You get seen more. Shoes sales going. So that's the way I'm thinking. Absolutely. And I love, I love playing in steps, man. I played in steps. I think about 75% of the season that I was a sneaker free agent. So, like, so I love the product.

And I told him that whenever we started talking about it, and we started talking about it. And we started talking about having deals. Like, I love the product first and foremost. And that's kind of how it started. And it was super organic going through it. And obviously, you know stuff. And he's hitting me like, bro, like, it's so dope that you're doing this because not

many guys would do it. And I told him at the end of day, that is big time. I told at the end of the day, bro, I'm helping you with your brand, but you're also helping me with my brand. Like I feel like it's working on both way on both sides. And you have a mutual respect with people, when we're, played y'all in the playoffs people are like bro you can't wear his shoe while you're playing against him like why the fuck not like just the sure one right say we beat y'all and now everybody like oh

you got beat and somebody somebody had your shoes on so like it can work no way so who would it obviously you know i don't care what people got to say they're not sit business meetings they don't know they don't know what's really going on and they can sit there and be like oh his his mark his team shouldn't have had them do that It's like, bro, you're getting paid millions of dollars to put a shoe on for one. Like, oh, y'all would do it if y'all. Ain't that bad. It's good.

And it's the shoe you who for you. Exactly. It's a few that you love that. I love to who up. So I'm like, I'm getting paid to do that. Like, who wouldn't do that? But, no, the sneaker release, man, it's been dope. When me and Steph were in China, he saw him for the first time.

He loved them. So it's, it's been a dope process, bro. And I, like, I wouldn't change what we did. there for the world. I love that. How was a sneaker free agency? Talk to me about the free agency process. I mean, you, you, you, you, you touched on it. He was just rocking what you wanted. But like, when you're going through this sight and, you know what I mean? It's not always about the money, right? What is, what is it more, what does it mean more for you and your legacy? Oh, so whenever I was going through it, um, obviously I was with Nike, I was with Nike,

my first five years. And whenever I was coming, uh, whenever, whenever the year was coming up, all season, I was proud. I was working out and whatever I can't get my hands on. So like, Reebok was sending stuff. Nike still sent like the, I think this was at the GT two, GT cut twos, um, under Armors sent stuff, Adia sent stuff, uh, Converse. I played in Convers a lot actually during that season two. And for me, it was like, what feels the best? And then it was like, okay what does the money look like does this does this company offering me you know this much more outweigh how i feel about their product and that's kind of what was how kind of going and then um once i got two of it was i was like yeah i'm kind of done with nikey at this point they offered me the

same contract which was good contract but i'm like i just want to go in a different direction and uh so i was pretty much off them then i start seeing my nike rep everywhere i'm like god I'm like, bro, I see y'all more than I did when I was with y'all. I'm like, no, it's too late. And then they actually offer me more. And I'm like, nah, bro, I just, I want to go a different direction. And it was what it was. Like, no heart feelings.

I like, you know, I'll talk to y'all when I see y'all, but I just wanted to go out in a different direction. And that's kind of how I came to those last two. When you talk about your shoe, what's, you know, just as a consumer, what comes different with the Fox 1 than the other signature shoes that we've already. out there? I think one is we wanted to do a shoe that

was more like a running shoe. I don't know if y'all see like the A6 and like the dad's that's kind of what's popular right now. So I'm like, I want to get a shoe that even if somebody don't hoop, they could throw them on, you know, go for a run, go work out in them. My boy Reno's like, I'm wearing these

with jeans. He's like, your shoe need to come out so I can stop wearing all these other shoes. We wanted a shoe that could do it both ways. And it's kind of like book shoe. Like book shoe looked like not in a basketball shoe, but you can go out and hooping it. And that's kind of the, that we were, that I was trying to go. Yeah, that's definitely the waves right now to run the shoes.

Yeah, when we were coming up, it's like you really wore hoop shoes, hoop shoes. Yeah, yeah, like when I was, yeah, like when I was, you know, middle school, high school, people throwing on bronze, KD. Kobe's, with your, with your, which of blue jeans, with your cargoes, whatever, whatever type of pants you was wearing, people threw it on like that. So that was my thought process, because everybody don't. on who. That was my thought process going into it. Man, on back-to-back nights, you scored 109 points, 60 in the first game, 49 in the second game. That makes you the first king player ever to score 60 in the game. And 109 points and two nights is the most in the NBA since the Mamba, Kobe Bryant in 20-07.

Can you describe the filling of the 60-point game? and then coming back and getting a 49 piece. Oh, that's 60, man. I was so tired. I was so tired because we was already missing Malik. Peebo went down in the first half, and the second half was back me and Domas, but I had it going.

So Domas was coming up, cracking whoever was guarding me, and we're pretty much going downhill most of the night. Nah, it was a crazy, like we was down 20, too, actually. We was down 20. We had to come back, and we had a chance to win the game in regulation. And I think I would have, if I would have scored it, I think I would end up like 51 or something like that.

And he ended up not getting the rebound. They get an offensive rebound and they get the last shot. So I was like, bro, I don't even want to get 60. Malik walked up to me in the fourth quarter and was like, yo, you might as well go get 60. And I think I had like 47 or something at the top. I was hoping tonight even have that chance. But we ended up losing the game.

Like you didn't even feel like, like, like I couldn't be like obviously I still felt good like scoring 68 no you know that's not but we lost so it's like bro I can't even really celebrate this like how I want to so that was that was that was a rough part about the night I would have loved to have won that game and like now you I wouldn't have took the little picture with the with the white paper I wouldn't have that had to have that feeling and then that second one dog I end up missing three of my last five free throws crazy enough when I have 49. I was at 47.

I missed two free throws. Then I end up getting fouled again because they were playing a foul game. And then I made my, that's how I got to 49. So Debo walked up to me. He was like, bro, what you just start shaking his head and walk me and walk to the locker room. He don't miss him. No, not at all.

And then after the game, I find out that Cope had 110. And everybody's talking about 109, 101, 101, 101, one. I'm like, bro, 109 seemed like it's so far away from 1-10. And that just had me picking myself for a week. That's funny. Speaking of Colman, Debo, man, what's it been like playing with Debo? You obviously have played against him. He's been in the West, you know, then he went to the East for a couple years.

But what's it been like having him as a teammate? What's, you know, what's something about his game that, you know, Maybe you didn't know from plan or from afar that you've been able to see with just having him as a team. Man, one, just his presence, bro, like just being around him, one and off the court, just a calm presence that he brings to a team into a locker room. It's like, it's like a feeling that you just have never had. And then having them out there on the court, like, y'all can go through dry spells and you can just give him the ball and he just go get one. You go create. But like you said, create.

like he creates so many opportunities for everybody else as well because people are like oh yeah we don't want to give up a midi but then you start sending doubles at him and he's such a willing passer he's so willing to get off the ball he makes it easy for everybody else and then one thing dog when i say it seemed it looked like he walked to his spot like at times he literally will walk to a spot and just shoot over you like you're not even standing there so at times and he just scored uh i think he just scored his 24,000 point. That's crazy. It's amazing to watch.

He'll run off five possessions a row, just give it to him. And people, he just get to a spot, rise up. You got to foul him. He'll get to the free throw line shooting 12, 14 free throws. And he just makes the game look that much easier. And it's crazy to see. Because obviously, like, as you're getting older, you know, you don't have the athleticism that you had.

But he still go out there and he'll make a super athletic play but then he come back and it's just real calm, real study. And he's able to do it over and over again. And just that consistency that he's done it with and how long he's been playing, man, is amazing. You see why he's been in the league for, I think this is the 16th year. Damn, dude, that's great.

He wanted him one. He wanted him. I remember seeing him like Duncan, like when he was first dunking, the year he was first dunking. And everybody was talking about he was Duncan at eighth grade. You know what I mean? So like 16.

Just the skill, bro, the skill that you got to have to like 24,000 points to be able to do that. As athletic I see was at a certain time. And you're 16 not as athletic and you're still doing that type of stuff. Like it's amazing to see. Footwork impeccable. Man. Another great player you play with great footwork. So bonus is basically a double double every night.

I think he's highly underrated. I'm sure you do. Tell us about, you know, what it means to play with somebody like Sabonis. I think he's, like you said, I think he's very underrated, very underappreciated. But I think, so like the way he's playing this year and the way he's shooting the ball, we're like, bro, you don't even, like, we're not asking him to come off down screens or, you know, shoot off the dribble or anything like that.

But we just need people to respect it because, and I told him this, like, whenever I started shooting the ball better and people have to take one step, who had to take one step up on you, it opens the court up for yourself and everybody else. And we tell him, bro, don't hesitate. If you got it, shoot it, let it fly. Because he's shooting, I think he's like 50, 40 and like 85 right now. So like if we can do that and continue to get him, but it's all coming from very quality looks.

We can continue to do that. Like, I think the sky's the limit for him and the sky's the limit for us because then you pull the big out a little bit longer, a little bit more. Now that creates driving lanes. we're able to put teams in rotations, and it just makes our offense that much better. But he knows as well as we know where we have to be better at

if we want to get to where we want to get to. And Dre know it. We've got to be better defensive. Offense has never been our problem. Offense has never been our problem. And you talked about, I think you were talking about Indiana last year. They're like, yeah, y'all, the number one offense, but you can't guard a soul.

Getting the playoffs, like, what's this going to look like? So that's my thought about it. And we know we know where we got to be. It was funny though. It's funny though. So we just play San Antonio, right? And we come out of halftime and I'm picking CP up and CP, you know, CP an asshole. So he don't care.

He like, he don't care to come up. Nothing like that. But he walks up to me. He like, you know, you like the only point guard that actually plays defense. Like that actually come and guards me, come pick me up. And like at the time, I'm like, yo, whatever. Like he said it. But then, you know, after the game and then he just became the second.

leading assistant ever. I'm like, knowing CP, he don't just walk up to nobody and just give him a compliment like that. So I'm like, he really felt that. He really felt that. And for me, like, I want to be that type of guy. I want to be able to go out there,

guard people, be the guy that people don't want to put you in the action because you blow actions up. And then at the end of the day, still on offense being able to get to work. So, like, I really did appreciate that. No, that's fine. You know, you want me to tell you what I fucking hate, Bob.

I hate that damn beam. The beam. I hate the beam. It disgust me. And I get great joy when we play y'all in the beam does not get lit. Have you seen it? Of course I've seen it. And I've also been in a playoff series against you and had to go back to the hotel and look at it till 3 o'clock in the morning.

It's ridiculous. I hate that. How did they introduce that beam to you? Did they come to you with the idea? Did they light it? And y'all was like, dope. Like, what did you think of it at first initially? Ah, so this was, so not last year, the year before.

The year we actually made the playoffs. We were playing in the preseason and like, they never said anything about it. We're playing in L.A. We end up beating the Lakers, but I think we lost our first preseasoning game. So like, no one knew anything about it. And during the preseason game, we won. And they just tweeted, like the beam. and then it was a picture of a beam coming out the top of Golden One.

So that's how we learned about it the same way everybody else learned about it. And at first, like, it was a gimmick and everybody was like, oh, how long is this going last? And then it started becoming a thing. Fans really started liking it. And other people started hating it. So I think that was the reason that they really kept it is because other people started hating it.

Everybody's like, oh, it's a gimmick, blah, blah, blah. But I think it's been dope. Like, it's a cool thing. Like, you drive around a city and you go to a random restaurant and they, got some type of beer called the beam or they got a poster with a damn beam on it. So it's been cool for the city and like obviously we have the baseball team here this year and we have a, we just got an MLS team. But like for as long as people can remember, it's just been the Kings.

So being able to have that for a city that only had one professional team has been dope. And I think it just brings the city together. So if other people hate it, man, that makes me like it even more. The beam, the baby. When the Kings win and the beam is on. And when we in other stadium, like our fans are there and we're about to win and the game's about the end,

we start getting those light to beam chain. And it's dope. It's definitely dope. I love it. That's fact. It was no better feeling that, uh, going back to my hotel room and getting my stuff and looking over there and said,

we won this. It ain't no big. It was fun, man. Like, I got to just getting back to the playoffs and obviously you know you won multiple championships and even gotten to the finals

lost like I want to be able to just feel that like know what that feeling is just being able to get to that spot one of my favorite coach and people Mike Brown in this game he repeated the word possession 26 times in his last press conference

what's the wildest thing you've seen from Mike Brown as a coach. And then Jay, that question is for you too. I would say it's the clip that everybody saw when he was talking about turn on the jets. I'm like, bro, when he started running, I'm like, I hope he don't tear something. I just hope something don't pop because he was moving. Like, he was running as hard as he could. And he ran one sprint.

He only did it one time. Bullets just start coming down. But that was his first. But, like, that was his first training camp with us. And he set the tone. He definitely, he definitely. That's the fact. When I saw that clip, I was dying laughing because that's who Mike Brown is.

Like, he's going to start running, get on in defense, start sliding, dripping sweat. And that's just the passion he brings every day. Yeah. Like, he's the same way every single day. And so I always. respected it. It's crazy. He do be playing defense. When we're just doing regular shooting drills, he started coming in. He gets into the stands. He's like, no, give it a lot. He didn't kick it. Like, you really

get out there. That's a fact. We used to be like, yo, Mike B, you need to chill, bro. Your Achilles, like, you old, Mike B. Like, yeah, you got to chill. But, like, that's just the intensity that he brings. And you got a lot about Mike Brown. I'll tell you what I'm surprised. that. I'm surprised the thing that y'all have struggled with as a team's defense, because Mike Brown with defense, like, that's

what he do. Like, he guru. And so I know I'd be driving him crazy. So you got a challenge. You got, it's on y'all as players, because Mike Brown, I know he loses his hair. He lost whatever hair he had left,

wherever it is. No, it's, I mean, obviously, I think personnel is a thing. Like we're one of those smaller teams. Obviously, we don't, we have a legit shot blocker. So, like, you're fighting against kind of construction. Like, you can't, obviously, you're only as good as your personnel a lot of the time. So for us, you know, we throw out different things and different looks, try to, you know,

muck the game up, try to change, try to change the way that people see us. I might guard somebody. Then Kegan might guard somebody. Then Kian might guard somebody. But I think he's making do with what, you know, he's got. And we've been better defensively this year. I think we were like 11 for a while. And then we had a bad stretch.

Drops like 20. I think we're hovering around like 14, 15 right now. But obviously, he, one day he comes up to me, he's like, hands me a paper. I'm like, what the fuck is this? And it showed the past 20 champions what they ranked, what they were rated in defense than regular season, the rating defense in the playoffs. And I think the worst was like the 02 Lakers that were like 20th. think during the season, but then they were number one defensive team in the playoffs.

But this is after they're going to win a championship, so they knew what it was like. So they just knew a regular season in the playoffs. They could flip that switch. And he's like, that's the only team that wasn't in the top 10 that won a championship that year. So, yeah, he's trying to make, he's trying to make it work. And he's as, you know, me as the leader and the head of the snake and a lot of times I'm the guy picking up or the point of attack defender, he's like, this is what we have to get until we want to win. Our offense can be as good as it can be. But until we decide, until we go out

there consistently can guard somebody, we're not going to win. I agree, man. I think, you know, especially in the Western Conference because it's so stuck, you know, and right now you're out in a playoff pitcher, but, you know, a lot of time left, right? And to that point, working on your defense is potent, right? Defense is hovering. you know what I mean at about mediocre what do you think you guys need to do to make sure you get hit getting their playoffs

we got to be consistent that's always the word how can you be consistent is what I think we're really trying to figure out can we consistently bring physicality every game can you not allow offensive rebounds

can you take care of the ball like being able to control those things obviously you can't control if you make shots or not that game that's the way that the ball bounces but winning at the little things is his thing. And, Dre, you've been in the locker room with him, possession game, free throw count, turnovers, and was offensive rebounds.

Can you win at those? And I think loose balls. Can you win at those things? If we went at those things, you put yourselves in a great chance to win. Now, it doesn't mean you're going to win, but you probably got a higher chance to win than if you didn't do those things. So those are the things that he's preaching and just trying to be consistent at that. Because like I said, you don't know if you're going to make shots that day, If you're not making shots, can you get extra possessions?

Can you take care of the ball? Can you get to the frithaline? Put yourself a great chance to win. Last time you were on the pie, you have spoke about how you were tired of hearing about the King's playoff drought. You obviously went on to break that drought. Y'all obviously face us, unfortunately. But what was it that you end up finding, you know, it's tough talk to ask? Tough task.

Especially in your first playoff series because what it came down to is y'all were probably a better team than us. We just had to know how. Like we knew between me and Steph and just us talking and then Clay, you know, like Clay being who he is and what he's done, we just knew how to do it.

And so what was it that you found coming out of that playoff series that you're like, all right, when I get back there, I know, I now know this that I think can help us get over to hunt. Oh, I think, I think the big thing is it in it is adjustments. Like, obviously we go to game seven and good game until half time and you all come out in the third quarter and just punch us in the mouth. And like there was no looking back from, from that point in time.

But I just think every time y'all made an adjustment, it like frazzled everybody because guys have been in those positions. I think Domos had played in the playoff series before, and then HB, obviously, I played in the finals. But other than that, it was my first time. It was Malik's first time. Egan was a rookie. Kevin had played in a conference finals before.

But like most of the guys, especially our main guys, were, you know, it's our first time, T.D.'s first time, Davian's first time. Like, everybody was everybody's first time being able to be in that type. of environment. And even at home, like, once y'all hit us in that second half, it was like, y'all, what the hell are we going to do? Like, we couldn't figure out a way to stop nobody. Then we couldn't really score the, y'all up to physicality from the first six games.

And I think it kind of rattled everybody. And it was pretty much over. Like, we literally couldn't, we had no answer for anything that y'all had at that point. But just knowing that and being able to fill a playoff series and, like, for me, playing a team seven times in a row. I'm like, what the hell is going on? I'm like, my hand hurt. I'm tired of seeing them. Like, it was, it was different. But I love the feeling. Like, I'm like, bro, I'm in the best shape of my life. Like, I feel like I like I could play for another month. And then even last year, after we beat y'all and then we lost

the pelicans, I'm like, bro, like, I'm in the best shape. Like, I feel like, hell, and then the pelicans go get sweat by OK, see, I'm like, shit, they could let up win. And we like, I would have got us a game. I would have got us one game. But just being able to have that feeling, it's hard to describe unless you've been through it. But on what it felt like, I'm like, I need to get back there and try to take those next steps because you don't want to be a part of a team that's just, you know, you get in the first round, you get bounced. You get in the first round. You get bounced now. Are you looking at blowing teams up after that?

So it was a good feeling to break that. But at the end of the day, bro, I'm a competitor. So just getting to the playoff. obviously losing to a team that had just won the championship obviously i felt good about getting to the playoffs but then having that like i'm i'm i feel like i'm missing out so yeah i was i think i watched that series man and i thought you know one for your you know your first playoffs that was like you know everybody say you're coming out that was your coming out party uh i felt like one of you guys go up two uh two games that was up too oh right

We know what happened in game two, right? Is there anything? We know what happened. We know what happened. We know what happened in game two. What happened in game two, BD? Man, you got it. Then you get ejected and kicked out.

Oh, you're talking about when brother grabbed my ankle with both of his hands. That man grabbed my ankle with both his hands. Check this out, BD. I didn't think they was going to suspend you, though. I didn't think that. Look, Doug. I mean, if I was suspended. That was the most pivotal point in the series of.

Wait, one second, don't be any time out. He grabbed my ankle with both hands. And they specifically told me, they specifically told me, now, that ain't nothing. I just didn't move my arm a few weeks ago. I didn't move, I didn't grab. I just didn't move my arm. And so Zach Ead tripped, and I was upgraded to a flagrified.

after the game. Right. But when my ankle was grabbed with two hands, they told me that, that wasn't nothing. I said, that's great. So that's number one, BD. Number two, it was a turning point. You know why I was a turning point?

Because they were up too old. Yes. And they went up too old and they should have just left things the way they were. Mike, I don't come out like, oh, we're going to see what the league do. Number one. I was pissed at, Mike. because, bro, you've been in the foxhole with me. You know the bullshit that I'm going to get up here.

And you go feed this narrative. And ultimately, I think it cost them because you changed the way the series look. You have too old. Leave everything in the same. You want the same smoke. You want the same smoke. Yeah. Yeah.

We did. Yeah. Because guess what? You know why? So here's what happened. You changed the way and look. Now your game playing that you're, you're, is set for the team with me.

So now you're essentially going into a playoff game where they're completely game plan for you and what you want to do, and you're essentially going into the game with no game plan for what they're going to do. And it's like when Jha got hurt when we was playing them in the championship year, they beat us by 50 the next game.

Because we went into a game, and it's not on the coaches, it's just you haven't seen it. Whereas they've seen your game plan for two, straight game. So once y'all changed the game plan, essentially by him saying, oh, we'll see what the league going to do as opposed to saying, let's move on. He fueled the fire and then y'all got blown out. Now coming back in game four, again, here's the know-how. We know the adjustments we need to make, right? So now we come back to game four and we know the adjustments we need to make. Y'all ain't beating us once we make the adjustments because we know.

Because all of them winning three in a row. Exactly. And so it just changed. It's the whole complexity of the series. Yeah, I remember game four because y'all two got into it. I say that's what I'll be here for. You know, when my PG don't back down. You know, I love my PGs. When my PGs don't back down, you and Dre got into each other's face. I mean, you know, it's all competitiveness.

I think, you know, just talk about Dre and how he brings. that competitive nature out of that series. But more importantly, I think he brought it out of you where you was like, you know what? I got to be the one. You know what I mean? It can't be some bonus. It's got to be like you.

I think you was like, fuck it, man. It's got to be me. I mean, it takes, like you said, like I said before, like to win at a high level, bro, you got to be able to match that. And like he had a hard foul. It's what it is. It's physical.

You got to match the physicality. So being able to be in that, series and like understand that like guys are getting to it. People always talk about, oh, you can't be friends and blah, blah, bro. We can be cool off the court and punch each other in the mouth on the court. Like you fight with your brothers, you fight with your sisters, you fight with your cousins. After it's all said and done, you love them the same. So being able to go through that and like that was, I think that was obviously, I think

that was me and Dre's first time really like getting into it, obviously because his team's always been blowing my teams out. So it's like, what can I say? Say that why we all even ask. So like it would be in that is definitely like it's cool. And like you have to be able to match that because as a, and this is as a team. If you back down and, you know, somebody like him or a team like that, that's one there that's been there, once they smell blood, it's right.

Like once they sense fear, since you really don't want to fight, it's over for you. So that's where we as a team. had to step up and be able to match that. And I think once my team saw that, and they already know how I get, like, if I get pissed off, like I'm a different person, different player.

So, like, being able to see that, I think helped us be able to extend the series because, like you said, they won three straight. We go in the game six at their, at their crib, like, all can lay down or y'all can try to bring it back home. And I think game four,

even though we lost game five, of like still, we still had that belief. We still had that we could win the series. Like I said, game seven, second half, they, and we was rattled. We was rocked by 10 and it was over. It was, you know, it was, it was a testament of, hey, man, y'all fighting a heavyweight champs.

You know what I mean? And, you know, you're young guns and y'all swinging and swinging, you're fighting, you know, but there was, there's something to what these dudes know, you know what I mean in that championship pedigree and when you think about you know even Steph setting his playoff career high you know 50

points you know what I'm saying it's like damn you know what I'm saying like what I said like what was that like you know what I'm saying for you like what was that like being on the court I know like it wasn't a pleasant thing but when you look at it you know for

where you want to grow and where you want to get to as a player talk about that game seven and how important it is because I feel like it's, it's going to mold your career. When I say it was nothing you could do, like, we threw the kitchen, we threw the kitchen, we threw the whole goddamn kitchen out. Like, we didn't throw the sink. We threw everything that was in the kitchen at him.

And there was absolutely nothing you could do. He dribbling around four or five people and one, throwing and getting it back and one three. And it was like just a snowball. And it's like, bro, we're trying. but once they figured it out in that second half no matter what we did

just wasn't working so being it like but a lot of that don't even have to do with just your skill or just their skill it had to do with their know-how once they knew what was

they knew what was going on how it was going everybody got it going like it wasn't just stuff it was everybody got it going and there was just nothing we could do because we hadn't been there and we didn't know

how to adjust to the last thing that they did. Like I said, that's when the series, that's when the series just was over. It's crazy because, and when you talk about making adjustments, like there's more to just game playing adjustments that need to be made. Like sometimes, and you kind of just hit at it,

sometimes in the playoffs, it's attitude adjustments that have to be made. And after y'all popped us in game six, the next morning, I sent something to Steph. I text him at like 3 o'clock in the morning, and I couldn't sleep. And so I text him like, what my thoughts.

And he texted me back to his book. And he was like, it's funny, you can't sleep because here's what I'm thinking. And it was like a book, like, went way more detail than what I was saying. And I'm like, we got to have a meet. He's like, yeah, we need to have a meeting tomorrow. But, you know, I talk in a lot of the meetings.

He said, but I got this. All right, big dog, you got it. And we went in at me, players only. And he pretty much said to everybody, like, I don't care about your ego. I don't care who you are. I don't care what you do. If you get on this bus, this is what it is.

You come and you get loose balls. You come in to play hard. I don't care if you play a minute. If you play a second, if you care to play two. I don't care if it's me. If it's Draymond, if it's Clay, I don't care who you are. If you play, you don't play. If you get on that bus, you come to play.

or one attitude you're riding with me. If you ain't riding, don't get on the bus. Oh, and then he came out and did that. And I was like, oh, wow. That's crazy. That's, whoa. Like, so it was this. And, you know, coming off winning the NBA Finals the year before,

you got to get through that first round. Like, the reality is I don't think we just, we ain't have enough. We ran out of gas. But you just had to. muster up everything that you could. And his little bro, you know, the little bro is,

little bro is biting on the ankles, baby. He won a scrap. You know what I'm saying? But we got to give, Deerre, we got to give you your flowers because in that series 24, 7, and 5. I mean, for a coming out party for, you know, your first playoff game.

I think, you know, one, you just, you establish that pedigree, you know, that we've always, all known since, you know, since college, but like to see you mature into that role and to be able to have that stage, man, that's why I love the playoffs because the real ones going to shine. You know what I mean? The real is going to prevail and step up. And so, you know, I love seeing that from you and I wanted to give your flowers in the

series because taking the champs, you know, the seven games, man, you know, y'all definitely deserve some credit. And I think, little bro, you know, they're getting bigger. man. Yeah, no, I appreciate it. But where we, where we are now, like, especially where I am in my career and like I'm about to get on my, I'm getting close to getting on my third contract, you want to be a team and a player that's constantly in the playoffs. Can you, can you, obviously, everybody wants to win a championship, right? Everybody can't be a contender. Truth of the matter, everybody wants to win.

Shit, honestly, everybody don't want to win. Truth be told. That's right. Everybody don't. Loose don't. you know, you want to be part of that group that's always in the playoffs. And obviously, you know, at times you might have a two or three-year window where you can win a championship here and there, here or there, here or there. So, like, you know, for me as a player trying to figure out what we have to do to take that next step. Because, you know, you don't want to always be like, oh, and, you know, we lost the Warriors because they just won a championship and they beat us in the first round.

Like, I can't let that be just the only story that we have to tell. So, I mean, it's still a lot of work that we have to do as a team, as an organization. But I think we're trying to build towards that. You don't want to have that just one off. You had a good season. You broke the streak and then shit starts again. Hey, but Fox, you recently, right before the season, had an opportunity to sign an extension.

What was the motivation for you to pass on an extension, essentially continuing to bet on yourself? but, you know, to pass on that amount of money and just play the season out. For me, man, it has all to do with just the team, the organization, where are we going? I want to make sure that we're in a position to try to win in the future. Because that's ultimately what I want to do. Like, I don't make enough money farthest of where I play or what I do. Like, I'm going to be fine unless, you know, God forbid, you know, knock on wood.

know that you have a career in injury. But aside from that, like I feel like I'm continuing to get better as a player every year. But for me, it's, are we looking like we're continuing to get better year after year? And are we going to be able to compete at a high level? And that was, that's all mine is. Like, if we can show that this year, like, you know, you sign the extension now. If not, like, obviously I still have another year, but that's, that's where my mindset is. At some point will we be able to compete for a championship or really compete at a high level for a long time. And that's where I'm at. You're at that stage.

And like, bro, I love a city. Like, I love being here. I've raised my family here. We got our grandparent. Or the kids' grandparents here. Like, I would love to be here and retire here. Played. I mean, how many people can say they played in one organization for their whole career?

Like, I want to be a part of it. That's like a few people. but at the end of the day, I also want to win. So, yeah, that's. Especially where you at. That's where you make your real money. You want that league. You know what I mean?

You want that window. You want that chance, man. And, you know, I think you got to put yourself in the best situation at all times, especially when you're in the prime year. Yeah, I'm coming up on those years. So they know they know they don't give all I got, but. at the end of the day, brother, organization also got to give all they got. So, like, that's where we are right now.

I respect you holding them today and done a bargain as well. Because most guys in your position these days, they don't. You know, they just do whatever it is that, you know, and then a lot of them have agents that aren't willing to take that risk. You know, a lot of them have agents that's like, yo, you should sign this extension because of the money. I know from experience you have an agent that's like, no, this got to make sense for you.

And if this don't make sense for you, it is my duty and obligation to advise you to do what makes sense for you. Because we're in a position. We're getting the money. You know what I'm saying? But there's a certain standard

that should be upheld from organizations when you're talking star players. And I think DeKeehan is a great organization. You know, it takes time to Chip Turner organization. But Vec took over the team. He came from here. of Vex, I think, is one of the better owners in this league.

And I think, you know, they, I know they want to be great. But in one to be great, you have to learn how to do it, you know. And so. Yeah, it takes time and learn how to do that. Absolutely. It's just, it's, you know, it's not that I know where they have struggled. It's never for a lack of one to be great. They want to be great, but one to be great is making the right hires at all levels.

You got to add them minds. Yeah. You got to add them minds on all. And that's one thing Mike actually did when he got here. He's like, yo, from ownership down to the ball boys, equipment guys, we got to be aligned. And that's what he brought. Like first meeting got somebody from every single department. Like, so he's bringing that.

Obviously, he knows what it takes. For sure. No, 100%. You have to do that. And I think, you know, with like that, I thought from the gate might be was a gray hire. but everything around that has to make sense in order for that higher to reach his ultimate potential

so I respect it, brother. I wish you well. We appreciate you coming on the show, my dog. Thank you so much. Good luck the rest of the way. Stay healthy. Fox ones, baby. Keep rolling. No Fox one. Hey, I'm a size 14,

bro. Exhale. Come on. Let's show. What color you want? Shit, man, you pick. We got all greens about to come out, but we had the blue and oranges that just dropped. You know, blowing orange is my neck colors, but the green, you know, the green is for the money.

And J. John Green. I appreciate y'all having you, buddy. Appreciate you. Shout out to the fans. We appreciate y'all tuning in. Go copy you some of them. Young fella got his first shoe.

It's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green show with BD. Me out. Peace. The volume.