The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Draymond Green on Karl-Anthony Towns battle in Warriors-Knicks, NBA DPOY race

Episode Date: March 22, 2025

In this episode, Draymond Green and Baron Davis discuss Dray’s Defensive Player of the Year campaign. He shares his mindset while guarding stars like Giannis Antetokounmpo and emphasizes why he's “running to the fade.” Draymond talks about playoff prep mode for the Golden State Warriors and why he needs to score more. Plus, he explains what separates him from other NBA DPOY candidates. Draymond breaks down the battle vs. New York Knicks star Karl-Anthony Towns and the amazing chatter they had back-and-forth during the game. Draymond reflects on his “Nightmare Celly” and how Steph Curry critiqued it, gives flowers to Baron’s sneaky defensive skill, and predicts how Jimmy Butler will be “on 10” in the Warriors' upcoming game vs. the Miami Heat. They shout out Cade Cunningham's chance of bringing a championship to the Detroit Pistons in the future and debate whether Los Angeles Lakers guard Austin Reaves is the best third option in the NBA with his play alongside Luka Doncic and LeBron James. Finally, Baron shares his Top 5 NBA Rappers list and even teases producing an all-NBA player album. 4:00 - Intro  7:30 - Mindset Guarding NBA Superstars like Giannis 17:30 - Dray's Recent Offense Explosion 29:00 - What Separates Draymond From Other DPOY Candidates? 36:00 - Players Should've Won DPOY Awards 39:15 - Not Liking Getting Help on Defense 50:45 - Battle vs Karl-Anthony Towns 1:03:00 - Final Shot vs Knicks & "Nightmare Celly" 1:09:00 - The Art of Getting Steals 1:20:00 - Jimmy Butler Returning To Miami 1:25:15 - Cade Cunningham Prediction 1:29:00 - Austin Reeves The Best 3rd Option? 1:32:30 - Top 5 NBA Players Turn Rappers A new season of 'Dark Side of the Ring' premieres Tuesday, March 25th at 10 PM ET, with new episodes every Tuesday — only on VICE TV. Find your channel here: https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/channel-... ‘The Grudge’ premieres Wednesday, March 26th at 10 PM ET, with new episodes every Wednesday — only on VICE TV. Find your channel here: https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/channel-... (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Herd Follow The Draymond Green Show on social media:  https://www.instagram.com/draymondshow https://x.com/DraymondShow https://www.facebook.com/people/Draym... https://www.tiktok.com/@draymondgreen...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show with my dog. The legend Baron Davis himself, BD. What's up, my brother? What's up, my guy? What's going on, man? Shit, you hooping. How are you feeling? You look good out there.

I appreciate it, brother. I feel great. You know, it's that time of the season. You're getting your body to get ready to go for the playoffs, locking it all the way in. I feel great out there, bro. We got a, you know, like I said before, we got a chance. You get me a chance. I turn it to a different basketball player.

Kind of, so, you know, I'm feeling good. That's what I've seen. Yeah. Get going in this tournament. Get the hell out of here. I got the Spartans in UCLA and the finals. That's fire. With UCLA beating them again.

Y'all got to get there. Y'all got to get there. Hopefully y'all make it. No, we got it. We cool. We got every matchup, we got a better matchup than any team in that bracket. Your team's just not that good. That's the problem.

So you look at the other team and you like, yeah, we got a better matchup. That's not sure. You know, like, because that team ain't that strong. The problem is your team ain't that strong. Defense win championship. I can't knock that. And we play defense. And we play defense.

And we play defense. They got the best defense in the country, though. Next to. We number one. The team that beat. We're number one, though. I don't really know if we know what, but our defense is crazy. You know, y'all got a little baby Jay Rich.

They got a baby Rich. Yeah, that's my dog. But look, in the tournament, you got to let the dogs run wild on offense. And I think Mick Croning going to let Eric. daily. You're going to see these dudes turning the offensive guys in the tournament because it's you know, the floor are too big to be

doing a lot of yelling. You know, you can't, you got to coach strategically in the tournament. And I think Mick Cronin, defensively, specialist. Offensively, he's going to have, if he pulled back a little bit of them range, you know the problem. We're going to get another Juzang.

We're in a Jusang. Hikis. Tyler Camp, we're going back to the final four, man. You know the problem I have with these UCLA conversations? Is you always make it out to be like I hate UCLA? I have nothing against UCLA. No. But the way you know, we recruited you.

But the way, no, y'all didn't recruit me. But the way, where you be framing it, though. You'd be framing it like I don't like UCLA. I have nothing against UCLA. I actually, I told you my kids love UCLA. I know. We're in the same conference now, bro. You got to, you got a, you got to,

Y'all are really in our conference. Y'all just, we come out, we catch some sun. That's why we lost them two games. We come out, we catch some sun, we go back to the snow. Y'all are really in our conference. Y'all just appear to be there. Yeah, we are. Man, y'all came over there and got that smacking.

We can hang in the Big Ten. I am not worried about nothing cracking in the Big Ten. As far as UCLA coming in, give us a couple years. We'll be the number one team in the Big Ten. not even all right there it is $5,000 bet that in the next three years

UCLA do not win the Big Ten regular season championship bet say no more say no more all right we got to talk about this defensive clinic

though versus the bugs now you know I say you've been bawling bro you've really been balling yanni shot 31% to his lowest field goal he had in over two years you know what bro

you are holding Hold on. Hold on. Let me get your flowers. I didn't used to get flowers. Let me tell you what you're doing right now. Draymond Green, you are holding All-Star opponents to 42% Philgos,

goes, 26% 3-point field-go percentage this season. Wow, that's an precious. So you doing it, your thing. You know what I mean? Like you get you you get into the money.

You back to Jemann Green. Even Steve Kerr said, you know, you're one of the greatest defensive minds and greatest defensive players that he's ever witnessed. Being, you know,

an elder statement in the league, a super vet in the league, right, to be able to come into this season. And y'all been churning. Y'all been chopping wood, right? Y'all been hella mediocre.

I've been hell of mediocre. Hell of mediocre, but good, right? And now that you're starting to turn the corner, people starting to recognize, oh, Trey been doing this shit all year, right? I've been saying it because that's my goal for you, bro. We got to get defensive player the year. You know, we got to turn up some offense. We got to get some more rebounds.

And, you know, looking at that game against the bucks, just the way you, the way you came out and play against the superstars of this league. That's what we want to see. No doubt, bro. That challenge. We need more of that. You know what? We need way more of that.

That's what makes the league great. Are people stepping up for these challenges? What is this superstar going to do against this defense to do? What are these two superstars going to do when they put in their best defensive player on the end? And you run into the fade. You know, I think. So I got to give you your, I got to give you your kudos, man. I appreciate that, bro.

You know, coming down the stretch. the season. You got my vote for defensive player to eat. And everybody needs to pay attention to it. Go check the facts. That part. 42%

26% from three. And you're talking about all stars. The guys. We ain't talking about somebody getting, yeah, we ain't talking about somebody getting lucky. Like, you know, like a Dylan Brooks. Just kidding. I love Dylan Brooks. That's my dog. Hey, I told Dylan Brooks, he can be

he need to channel a little bit what you're doing. But like nobody is, like the surprise guys are surprised guys when it's the superstars, I say a lot. Absolutely. I think, you know, for a guy like myself,

when you get the, when you had an opportunity to face the superstars, like that's what, that's what it's about, right? Like, that's the one 82 games or course of 82 games season to think that every night

you're going to be like, oh, I got this. That's my matchup. At this point, in the career, it's not quite realistic, as much as you try to push yourself to get as close to that as possible. But it's not really that realistic. But when you get the stars lined up, like, you're looking at that schedule.

You're like, oh, I got him tonight. Oh, I got him tonight. I'm ready to go. And when I came in the league, BD, that's what you had to build yourself up on, right? Like, playing against the Blake Griffins, the Lamarcus Aldrich's, the Zeebos. Like, when those matchups came around, you had to. be ready to go or you were going to get embarrassed. And so, you know, I still kind of embody that. Like, when you got the stars coming in town, you got to be ready to go. You got to, like, that's

when you really test who you are. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you can be good defensively all season and that's great. But when the stars roll into town, because this is a star league, make no mistake about it, when they roll into town, how do you fare it in? Where's your mentality? Where's your mindset when the stars roll into town? Because guess what? Everybody's watching. when the stars rolling in the town. So for me personally, you know, I always look forward to that opportunity. And by the way, not all the time do you farewell.

Like you don't, when you plan against stars, they stars for a reason. You know what I'm saying? So you don't always make out well, but the opportunity to take the challenge. Come on. To take on that challenge. The opportunity to make out well is what get me going.

And so we're coming in on the back-to-bat. I got Yonis Ante de Kumpa. You know, Greek free. He running through everybody. Everybody. Get downhill. Ain't nothing you can do. What's your mindset coming into that game?

And my mindset coming into that game was, I just want to make it tough on him. I just want to try to make him uncomfortable. Not that I'm going to come in and I'm going to stop him or I'm going to lock him up because the reality is you don't really stop stars. You don't really lock stars up, right? They're going to shoot the ball as many times as they want, right? So they're usually going to get their numbers.

but how hard can I make it on them? That's always my mindset. It's never like, I'm about to lock this dude down. Not really a realistic feat, but I'm about to make it real hard on him tonight, and he's going to know it's hard. It's hard. Everything he'd do, it got to be hard.

So that's always my mindset when I'm facing the stars. And, you know, against Giannis the other day, you know, I saw he shot 31%, which was his lowest field goal percentage in over two years, felt great about that because, A, As you know, BD, coming in on the back-to-back, it's a little different beats, you know what I'm saying? It's way different.

Yeah, he's been sitting in the hotel watching us play last night. So you're coming in on that back-to-back, legs feeling a little different. I will tell you something I did the other day. I saw KG maybe a couple of months ago, and he was talking about what he started doing on back-to-backs. As he got further in his career, he's like, yo, I started doing something on back-to-backs.

It changed everything. for me. So the other day after we played Denver, I'm like, man, KG said he was doing this. KG, one of the legends, as we know, I'm going to try it. And so I took a page out of KG book, and I tried it.

Bro, when I went into that back-to-back game, I felt like I didn't play that night before. I went into that game, bro. I was picking up Yonis, four-court. I don't pick up full court on the record. I went into that game, bro. My legs fell out of this world. I was like, Like, yo, I feel like I didn't play a game other night.

So let me take advantage of that. And, man, so I went in with the mindset. You know, and, you know, it was great to have a successful night like that against one, you know, two-time MVP, one of the greats in our game. So I was locked in and I needed that. You know what I'm saying? I wanted that. I wanted that match up. Over the last five years, last five, six years, me and Yannis haven't played against each other a ton.

Either he was hurt or I was hurt, you know. And so we haven't played. against each other a ton over the last five, six years. And so anytime, like I said, anytime I get the opportunity to play against the greats, man, I love those matchups. Yeah. When I played, and I can't believe this,

I let the league instills twice. And never made defensive player, no defensive team. That's crazy. That is crazy. That's crazy. And on top of that, every time I stepped on the court,

if I saw Kobe, I'm running over there. If I saw Jordan, I'm running to the fade. If I saw Iverson, I'm running to the fade. Right. Anybody who was somebody, I think, for me, because I, you know, I pride myself on defense.

And I don't think a lot of people knew or remember that, but I pride myself on defense. And when you garden, McGradys, D. Wade's, Jason Keyes, Steve Nash's, Tony Parker. You have a hell every night. God. You got to be like, okay, what's happening?

You know, what is it going to be? And on the light night, you get Derek Fisher, who will give you a 20 if you're going crazy. Crazy. It really, or you got Moe Williams. That ain't no off night because Moe Williams going to run it up on you. Absolutely. You got Mike Bibby.

That ain't no off night. It ain't no. Bro, you ain't no off nights. It ain't no off nights. Right? The wrong way you got big shot over there. Yeah. And then you got Chonsie over there.

Then you got Brandon Roy, you know, over there in Portland. So, you know, for me, it was always like, I ain't going to be able to stop these dudes, but I'm going to try to. And I wanted to ask you, like, when I used to think about it, it's really great offense beat, great defense 100 times. Absolutely. And when you have a great defender and a great defender, offensive player and you going, you know, let's say it's a back to back, you really just

painting in the gray, right? Because if that, like, someone like Janice, if he's struggling that night, that don't mean he's going to stop shooting. That don't mean he's going to stop being aggressive. I don't mean that the last two minutes of the game, if it's close, like, who cares what the percentage is? We know that he's going to get, you know, he's going to get the ball, and he's going to be forced to make something happen. That's where that middle ground, that gray area is. Right. So as a defender, you really just trying to throw the offensive dude off

his rhythm. I'll pick one thing I know he liked. I'm going to take that away and see if his counter is working. But if an offensive dude get going, it's ain't nothing you can do. It's nothing you can do. Right. And it's all about sticking

to it. And so I just appreciate the way you play defense. Man, I watch the game. When I watch the games, I watch the games for passing, defense, turnovers, obviously, and, you know, where to make the best plays.

And I think you've been playing great. But you've been playing great on offense, too. You got to keep the fucking offense up. You even went down the middle and dug, bro. Dunking like me. I can dunk like that, by the way. He had the three. He came down, he had to push out.

You was killing. Yeah, no, I had to float. I've been pulling the float out of the bag. last few games. I appreciate it. I've been pulling that out of the back. But no, I think obviously when, you know, like I said, I'm in playoff preparation mode. And I know come playoff time, I'm going to have to score the basketball.

Every year come playoff time, I have to score the basketball a little more. So I'm preparing myself for that. Also, we got a new team. And, you know, when we had the older teams, they know when the playoffs come, Draymond going to shoot more. We got a new team. So I need these guys to understand what that looks like as well. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm trying to get them a glimpse of my guys also a glimpse of what that look like as well. Like I'm not as laid back offensively as I am in the regular season when they come playoff time. I'm way more aggressive. And so I'm trying to give guys a glimpse of that. I'll also understand it as well that we need to win these games. So I'm already locked into that playoffs. off mode and trying to make sure I bring it offensively as well. I'll be 100% honest with you BD.

I missed a couple threes the other night that I thought was cash. But outside of making sure I was putting Jimmy in position to get the ball where he wanted to catch and then allow him to make plays for everybody else and just get into the right spot, my total focus on that game the other night was on the defensive side of the ball. Yeah, for sure. You can tell. My total and complete focus was on the defense side of the ball because I knew that

If I can come in and have a great game defensively with stuff out, which we got to have a great game defensively with stuff out, that I can help give us a chance to win. And so that was my only focus is putting him in getting Jimmy the ball where he wanted and then defensively trying to lock the whole court down. I got a trick for you, right? When you end that mentality, right, on the offensive end, Okay, so it's like first priority defense.

Second priority, make sure I'm initiating as a point guard. The third priority, your selfish priority, is you have to laugh on offense. Right? Yeah, because now it's like, oh, shit, I'm locking up. Oh, y'all going to give me this? Oh, y'all going to give me this? It's like you have to play lighter yourself when you're so intense on this side to wear anything. that you do, an open shot, a bucket, laugh.

Because it's almost like you're, it's another form of your defensive strategy of teasing the other team. You feel like, especially for you. Like, you know what I'm saying? So now you like laughing and shit every time you score and it's, and it's really just getting you loose, keeping you in flow, right? So now you'll, you'll still be aggressive, right?

because you'll take the opportunities because it's just like, hey, all right, like I didn't come here to do this today, right? But I'll take everything you give me, right? And so just like, I think adding that as that third element, always for you. Oh, you leave me open? Great.

Oh, you're going to let me drive great. Like, I'll take any opportunity. Like, I'm the defensive guy here, but I'm the playmaker guy here. But hey, if y'all want to give me opportunities, I'm going to take the opportunities. I'm going to take the opportunity and I'm going to take you grace and laugh about it. Yeah.

Yeah. You laugh about it. Does it just let your guard down, right? So when you get the ball, you, because you're so intense on defense and calling commands and offense and moving your brain. I'm watching your brain and you're talking. Talking and then you get the ball sometimes. And it's like, like you just shoot that motherfucker. You know what I mean?

When it's like, hold on, I'm wide open. Okay. That point. Oh, it went in. Hey, guess what? I'm telling you people are going to be pissed too, especially in the playoffs, right? I think that's that element. Just a little smirk, a little laugh, a little, you know, whatever the music is.

Like that becomes your gift and your treat that the other team is giving you. No, no doubt. I appreciate that, brother. Make sure, by the way, obviously, you know, trying to put this defensive player to your campaign together, I'm going to continue to do that over these next 13 games, which I feel like I've been doing all year. But it's saying that, remember to subscribe to the Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis

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in the world in the world Craig in the world in the world in the world locked down around the world Craig

just tell me your perspective what separates you from the other defensive player to your candidates like what's to paint a picture

of you and the other defensive candidates? I think for me just never been a liability in any situation.

No matter what the situation is defensively, I'm fit for it. And I think, you know, if there's anything that separates me

from the rest of the guys, which by the way, Evan Mobley, incredible, incredible defender, has incredible tools, incredible length,

great shot blocker, Dyson Danes, incredible defender. what he's doing on the still front got to take your hat off to him Tripp, my young fella, incredible defender. What he does protecting the rim, special.

But I think for me personally, I protect the rim, I can guard the pick and roll, I can trap the pick and roll and still guard my man without help, which I think is the skill that I have in the NBA that I don't think anyone else possess. I don't think there's anyone in the NBA

that can trap Damien Lillard on the ball screen and get back to Yannis when Yonis catch the ball in the pocket with no help. I don't think there's anyone can do that. And so in turn being able to guard two guys in one possession

and not force someone to have to help me, I think that covers up a lot of mistakes. I think that saves a lot of energy for guys that don't need to make extra rotations. And so I think that's what separates me largely. And then also my basketball IQ. I think I

I see plays way before they happen. You know, I can spot something. I can sniff something out in a heartbeat. And I'm quick enough, I'm strong enough to react and address the issue. You know, if that's the guy I want to come downhill and deliver a blow, and when I say deliver a blow, I mean that shoulder. I can take the shoulder and still hold my ground. You know, if that's the guy, he's fast and he's trying to get downhill,

I'm quick enough to get downhill with him and still get an attempt, you know, try to affect the shot at the rim. And so I think that's what separates me from guys is just being able to obviously guard positions one through five nightly no matter who that one is or who that five is. But like I

said, just my IQ and reading the plays, I take a great deal of pride and fucking up your favorite team's offense. As much as I enjoy locking one guy down, I take more pride in locking your entire offense down and making your entire

offense down and making your offense. Your coach have to figure something else out, making your offense have to make adjustments. I take more proud than that. And so for me, there's a lot of pride in how you guard your matchup, how are you guarding the ball? But I almost enjoy more messing up your offense from the weak side. I think when you start talking about guys who can guard the ball and guys who can be great help side.

defender I think I'm elite at all of that. I love it. I love it. I think that's what separates. I agree. I would say

when you're looking at the candidates, a lot of a lot of the candidates are help side defenders. Weak side shot blockers, plugging the hole. Great defenders. Get a lot of blocks

or get a lot of steals. But it's not on ball. Yep. for you, if I'm a coach and we're playing against the Warriors, of course I'm worried about Steph Curry. But I'm also worried about Dr. Green, right? And I think the one thing that you said

that you take it to another notch is you're a disruptor. It's not just the pick and roll. It's the pick and roll, the back door cut. You know, you find your, way into the mix in every play. And so just like offense, which I think

you're involved in every play, but defensively, you're involved in every play and what's happening on the weak side. And I think that disruptor right is what really separates you because in order to disrupt someone's ecosystem,

you have to know what everybody does. And a lot of times people get credit for being, you know, good defenders on teams that win, score a lot of points, you know, things like that. But you got to look at where is the disruption? When a coach comes in and they're going over a scouting report, coaches usually don't go over defense of players.

That's one that separates you because you have to be in the pregame discussion going into the game because you actually, you cost commotion from the time the game starts. So they got to pay attention to Jemond Green. Not only is he a great defender, but he'll talk you out your game, he'll file you out your game, he'll push you out your game,

he'll talk shit to the coach, he'll call one of your plays out in the most opportune time, right? And that's intelligence. And so intelligence, you know, I just want people to know. Intelligence is something that is earned. It's earned. It's like a PhD. Yeah.

That part. I got to give you that, like a, you know, your PhD, you know, from a defensive, just intelligence perspective. I appreciate that, man. Dr. Defense. Let's go. That's hard. Let's go. We need some doctor defense.

We need some Dr. Defense signs. Come on, man. And Chase. Let's get it. Speaking of a defensive player of the year, I think somebody said to me the other night, which is always a constant reminder, they asked me a question,

is it crazy that Tim Duncan never won a defensive player in the year? Which I couldn't believe. I can't believe that either. Let me take that back. I can believe it because I knew it, but I still can't believe the fact that Timmy D never won a defensive player. Player of the Year Award. It's crazy.

It makes no sense to me, but they were kind of asking me why. And what I wanted to ask you is, I like Tim Duncan, are there any other players in the league that your surprise has never won a defensive of a year award? King and Martin. Kay Marr was a hell of a defender. King and Martin. I saw King Martin.

He was a lot like you, bro. Yeah, he was a lot like, yeah. And then he's going to switch on Kobe. man, he switched on to me. And if he foul you, you're getting foul. It's a hard file. And so you got to think about when somebody like that

that's going to foul you hard, guard you hard, and we'll push you in the stands and ready for the scrap. So there's a certain, like, okay, I got to become a little bit softer. That part. In my approach with a Kenya, Martin.

I say Kobe, too. Kobe definitely should have won a different player of years. He picks up every challenge, every superstar. If it's two superstars, right, he stepped up to the challenge. And I think a lot of times, like, when people looking at defenders, they're looking at, oh, he scored this. Or Kobe and T. Mack matched up. And they're looking at the offense.

And it's like, Kobe may have 30. T. Mac may have 40. But you got to look at the game. how he stepped up to the challenge. Absolutely. A defender don't care about getting crossed up or dunked on or the game winning shot because that's,

I'm going to win more of those than I lose, you know, but they don't play those highlights forever, forever, forever, forever, you know? And then I would probably say, before you say another one, let's just give you a hit in gym, makes complete sense of Joaquin Martin is the way he is. that brother was born in Saginaw, Michigan. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying?

So he got that. Kmart from the Sag? Kmart was born in Saginaw Michigan. Okay, Kmart. You got that sag in all water, that sacking all blood. And we just cut a different way. There is. So shout out to K. Mark.

Shout out to Kmart. Yeah, I want to talk about this, but Jimmy talked about how you get mad and you get help on defense. If you go watch that third quarter, I kept looking at the bench going crazy because they kept getting threes and this guy's overhelping.

And I'm looking at the bench like, yo, stop over helping. And so I'm literally starting to lose my mind now. I'm like, yo, this is frustrating the shit out of me. And Steve, as timely as Steve Kerr always is, I'm ready to lose my mind because I'm like, man, I'm having a great defensive game right now. And y'all keep over helping.

And I literally said to my guys, I said, yo, y'all keep overhelping. But he hasn't scored on me. So I don't understand why, like, why all of a sudden now is everyone overhelping as if, like, he hasn't scored. Like, at least let's make him score on me first. Yeah. And so I start getting mad. And as timely as Steve Curry is, he's like, Drake, relax, keep your head. we'll fix it in the fourth quarter, I promise.

And I was ready to lose my dime. Like, yo, now. Like, now he's, like, Yon is starting to pile up assists. It's going to make it look like he's having a better game than he's really having. Like, stop overhelping. And he's like, Dre, I promise we're going to fix it in the fourth quarter. Just relax. I'm like, all right.

And it was so timely for me because it immediately locked me right back in. And I'm like, all right. He knows my issue, right? Like, he know what's going on. It allowed me to lock back in. And sure enough, we definitely fixed the issue, which was why we was able to get the lead back to where we got it. But, man, I hate people help.

It's not that I hate people helping me. I just want you to help when there's help needed. You know what I'm saying? If I get completely blown by, then yeah, pull over and help. But if I'm side to side with a guy and I'm going to make him take a tough shot, like if I'm side to side with him, I'm going to make them take a tough shot. I don't need you to help because, A, you're now going to open up a passing angle for them if they want the pass.

B, if you overhelp, you're going to open up a rebound, offensive rebound possibility for them because if your guy cut in after you help and somebody don't make the next rotation, you open up, you know, you open up an offensive rebound. But then also, just as a competitor, like, this mono, a mono, this man versus man, I want to see what I can do. and I feel like when you have someone on the defensive end that you don't have to help then you don't have to get into rotations

and in NBA all NBA offenses are created to put teams in rotations because you want to play against a rotation that you can get downhill, you got shot, you can make the next pass and get like,

and so you want to play against rotations and anytime you got a guy that don't need help, which means you don't have to pull another defender to help, and you don't have to pull another defender to trap the box. You don't have to pull another defender to go double team.

Anytime you don't have to do that, you're allowed to stay matched up everywhere else and take away passing angles and leave this guy to take a tough shot. And so I get so upset because I'm like, yo, if I need help, cool. Like there's going to be times in the game where, yeah, you need help. Like, and it just happens.

You know, stuff happens fast on that court. But if I'm right there side to side with the guy, man, don't come help. me and then we open up something else because now I can't stop what we open up because I'm so locked in on this thing right here. I can't take away whatever you just opened up on the backside. If I'm on the backside

of the defense to someone else go help, I actually don't mind because I'll cover my guy and your guy until you get back. You look at the NFL, Derek Stingley, just got paid $30 million. Pass the 10th's second making $26 million. You know why those guys, Jaylorans,

he making $25 million. You know why those guys are making that much money? they lock up. But more importantly, you can put him on, you can take that guy and say, you have this receiver, go stop him, which then allows you to do so many other things with those other 10 guys on the field because I know I got that one guy that's going to hold his own over there. It just opens up what you can do elsewhere defensively.

And so I like to be that guy from my team. But if I'm being that guy, allow me to be that guy. And by the way, make y'all life so much easier. And so I, are you right? I start losing my mind sometimes when people are overly helping me because I don't need to help most of the time. And on top of that, if Janice is passing the ball and getting assists,

he can, it's scary because now he can get in rhythm. Absolutely. And if I got to go start thinking about all this other shit, then any moment I let up off of a superstar, those last four minutes of the game, that's, They want to do all that, right, so they can catch a flow so they can be able to score.

I actually find my rhythm on an offensive vent-through pass. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's actually how I find the rhythm. Some guys can get a rhythm by going to the free throw line one time and seeing it go in. I'm going to tell you a huge play, and I credit BP on this play, that really saves me where I needed some help. I went to help on Dames Drive and Dane. stop. I pulled back a little bit. Dame started to drive again. I moved up. And BP,

Janice cut back door right underneath the rim and he would have had a wide open dunk. BP got a hand on it and knocked it away and we went the other way. He get that open dump. He get that open dump. It could change things for him, right? And that was such a big play, man, but to your point, all it takes is one bucket, one pass, one anything to get a great player like that, like, all right, I got it now. And they get going and then you're stuck trying to put out the fire. So don't over-help.

Just don't over-help. Yes, help if you need to help, but don't over-help. I'm good. Help to be helpful. Don't help and be not helpful. Absolutely. That's what I said. Vice TV's hit show, Dark Side of the Ring, is bad. Professional wrestling is the

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I like that. He was going at you. I absolutely loved that he came out with that mentality because as we spoke about the whole situation of what I said on the podcast, which, you know, with him, with him, duck and Jimmy. We apologize anytime, anytime somebody lose somebody.

But, you know, what was said, what was said, we apologize, we moved forward. Obviously, he heard about it. He had a chip on his shoulder. And I like that. And I love that. There are things that go on

throughout the course of an NBA season that should give you a chip on your shoulder. What I hate is when guys act like it didn't happen. And I've actually played against Carl before where some things were said or this, that, and the other, and he did not come out and act like he, like, like he knew what was going on. And I hate that. I love the way he came out. First play, they give him the ball. He gave me on a pump fake. Guess why he gave me on that pump fake? Because I'm thinking the same thing he thinking it's me and you right now. What's up? Right? He shoot the pump fake. I want it so bad.

I go for the pump phase. He's right. I'm like, ah, nice. Guess what? Guess what? I'm like, okay, here we go. Right? Like, it's time.

That was going at it, dude. Let's go at it, right? And so I love that. And I applaud him on his mentality that he came out with. I am not the guy that's going to say when someone do something wrong and not say when they do something right. that mentality that Carl Anthony Towns came out with is the exact mentality that he should have came out with

and I love it. So here it is. He get that dump now. Vice versa. I get the first block on Janus. Carl get the dunk. Feeling a little different. So now he's feeling good about himself, right?

He get a couple open threes, you know, in the flow of the offense. He making shots. It's good, right? So I need to put this fire out. So now at that point as a defender, I have to take on, I have to do whatever I need to do to put this fireout. So now you're playing the game. You're playing the game. Oh, man, he got two files.

Oh, if I get him a third file, he got to go to the bench. So I'm running up to set a screen. He made contact. All right, let me embrace this contact. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me embrace this contact. Hey, man, yeah. The chatter, and what I loved about it was the chatter, right?

Like, I don't know what I was saying to each other or what was being said on the court. I don't even care. I like to make up my own words. I don't even want you to tell me. I just made up my own. But I can feel it. No, I'm going to tell you what he said, BD, because I think this was a big moment for towns, in my opinion.

And I'm going to go more into why I think it was a big moment. But I'm going to tell you what he said. He said, I called him soft. I said, he's soft. Yeah, yeah. He's soft. Yeah. He said, man, you're a hoe.

I said, Right? He said, you're a ho. I said, oh. He said, Ho, ho, ho. Ho. I said, get him out of here.

Go sit him down. Go sit him on the bitch. Hey, Tims. Tips, get him out of here. He said, you are ho. He gave you the Christmas. Oh, ho, ho. Oh, ho, ho.

Hey, so listen. Right? So I'm loving that, but you're going to sit on the bench. It's cool. Hey, but check this out. And you ask a specific question. You said, do I think he's better and they're better off if he plays with that type of physicality? And the answer is yes.

And if Carl Anthony Towns was my teammate, that's what I'm looking to get out of him every single night. So I'm finding something every single day like, yo, I need you on this type of time. And here's why. And I need to get that from him because there's God. like Carl Anthony Towns that are as talented, like that's that talented, that sometimes you need to put the battery pack. They need somebody to put the battery pack in their back. And Carl Anthony Towns, in my opinion, I think is one of those guys because he got the size.

He has, he's strong as hell, right? Yeah. And he obviously has the skill. And the skill. So if you play with that level of physicality, if I can get you play with that level of physicality more often than not, we're going to win way more games than we lose. and I'm going to get you to be a better player than you even knew or thought that you were.

And so he 100% would be better off and they 100% would be better off if he always played that physical. And by the way, if he played that physical all the time, he'd be much more respected around the NBA than he is. He's respected as a talented player. But you saw Matt at Barnes say the other day. Matt said, cat's problem is he a cat?

He's not a dog. And that's what Matt said. If Kat come out and play with the type of dog that he played with against me the other night, man, good luck, Gar and Carl Anthony Towns. Good luck because the way he shoot the ball like a guard and he got that type of dog, you're not stopping him. And so I said earlier this year, I tweeted, the New York Knicks won't win with Carl Anthony Town's front Joker like that.

reason why you won't always get in that front and mentally, Joker's just like, oh man, this dude, front of me. Like, he's scared of me.

He don't want to, he don't want the fed. He's scared of me. And so that's what the mindset becomes like, yo, this dude's scared of me. And I said that. Now,

if you're in a playoff series and that's the game playing, y'all go with, that's a totally different story. But you, against this dude, Mano and Mano in the regular season, bro, you got to stop him.

Or at least go for broke trying to stop him. And that's what I said. And everybody's like, oh, Draymond picking on cat. One thing y'all should understand. Draymond don't just pick on people. I tell you the truth about basketball and about mentality, about championship winning mentality.

And if you go back and look at them tweets, I said, if they ever want to compete at the highest level, if he wants to be respected at the highest level, you got to take on that challenge. You got to take that thing. Him taking on that challenge is the same mindset needed in which he had against me the other day. And so I stand by everything I said when I put those tweets out.

And I stand by what I'm saying now. Yes, he was absolutely incredibly physical. And if he's that physical all the time against everybody, that's a different basketball player. And guess what? When Kat showed up and played like that, I don't know if he realized it or not, people gain way more respect for him.

But even the level of the play of everybody else went up. Without having Jaylen Brunson. Hey, have you ever had a teammate get kicked out the game by the coach? Kicked out of the game? Have you ever had one of your teammates sent to the locker during the game? Like, y'all get out of here. I have a funny story about front in the post. Bro, we plan the Lakers.

We're in Charlotte. Paul Silas tells Eldon Campbell yeah we play in Shaq you know they got the triangle Eldon I want you to get around in front so he was like

what he was like yeah we're going to front and then on the back side when they throw we're going to close in double team Eldon was like oh no man you know I'm playing against Shaq like I'm not front that dude Paul Silas said

you're going to front his ass or you ain't going to play he said man i ain't got no time like i ain't no time for this the game starts right eldon campbell goes he front shack they thought the ball over and said shack down boom elton camble front sack again right he's got and one right alden go man fuck that i ain't front this dude no more i ain't front no more right front no more right front no more All right, we got you, big homie. Throw the ball in the shack. Eldon, like, playing behind him. Think Shaq may have missed one.

Throw the ball back to Shaq. He'd get an end one. Paul Silas called a timeout. Time out. Time out. Time out. Hey, bro. You know, when the coach meets you

and start walking you to the bench. So I'm sitting on the bench. They're just going back and forth. I told you the front. Man, I ain't front. We get to the bench. He said, man, this is a game playing at front. He said, man, that shit ain't going to work.

He said, if you don't think this shit going to work, you can leave. I'll just said, okay. And he got him off the bench, bro. And want to lock a room. Paul Silas told him, look, fuck it, get out of here. You can go home. I was like, wait, hold on, dude. Like, we need this fool and shit.

Well, I get there. We get there at half time, right? He put his suit on. He's like in the locker. The team over there, please. Come on, Big Home here, we need you. Come on, come on, man. Put your jersey back.

Oh, we need you. Come on. Man, he was in full suit. Had his bag. He was on his way out. Did he start back playing? He came back to the game. You know, Paul Silas kicked Eric Snurl out the game.

When he was on the team. With LeBron. Hey, dude, Paul Silas was funny. He'd be like, you don't want to play? You can get the fuck up out of here. No, now.

Bye. Bye. Man, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. I'm not front. If you're a big dude, don't be out there front, man.

It's tough, man. It's tough. Shout out to Cat, though. Cat, seven feet. Cat, if I'm being honest, I could get away with front better. I'm 6'6. Yeah.

than you I'm sorry maybe in the playoffs cat is one step away though he one step away if he played like he played against you and then I would say he destroyed most guys by the way

yeah anyway anyway but if he played like that that mentality right because it was it was a different mentality you know because he got the cockiness

the chip on his shoulder the entertainment but for that game from some reason he was mad and locked in. So them three fouls, I wasn't mad at him for that

because he wasn't going to get punked that night. He wanted to play, be on the court every moment because he was embracing that. He got a start like that. He got to look at every dude like Draymond.

You know what I mean? He got to look at every dude like the night you played against the Warriors and say, if I bring that every night, it's going to shoot New York to a whole other stratosphere. That's a fact.

It's a different. He played like that as a different player. No question asked. Man, you hit the night night, Sally. Or is it the nightmare, Sally? Nightmare. According to Moses Moody, after making the final layer with 25 seconds to go.

Like, is that the new thing? Like, Steph got the night night. You got the nightmare? The play was to get the ball to Jimmy. Jimmy gets denied. Moses gets stuck at the top of the ball. And so I run up, get the balls. I'm like, I'm going to go make the play.

Funny enough, Moses told me I just began, he's like, Dre, you're lucky you came and got that ball because I was just about to get in my bag. And Moses, if you look at the clip, he had just right in and out. And then I came like, mo, whoa, whoa. And he swung it and got out the way. Me getting that layup, though,

Steph comes into the action. And he doesn't set a screen, but anytime Steph comes into the action and look like he's about to set a screen, it loosens the defense. because people are terrified of Steph. And so they see Steph coming to the action. Everybody overreacting pause for a second to see what he about to do.

And so I go. I got the ball on the left. I hesitate a little bit. And then I take off. And I know I can beat Cass Hip, right? Like I know he ain't moving his puppies like that. Once I go, I turn the corner. I see the clear path to the lane.

And I head on. As soon as I make the layup, I'm like, oh, it's time. This game is a wrap. We just went up. Six points. It's a wrap. Let's hit these folks with the night night.

It was a little early as we still had to go like Frito. You got to slow down on your night night though. I'm not. You know why? You slow down,

don't be these. I got Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler. Steph Curry, greatest free throw shooter in the history of the NBA. We have six with 25 seconds to go. Steph going to make frito.

So I'm like, night night, it's over. Well, here's what I will say. No, I'm saying the action. Like, no,

here's what I will say. It's like, damn, dude. you, it's like you slamming your head on the pillow or like, you know, it's like a homeless person. Night, night. You got, you got a flowing to it. Here's what I will, sir.

Everything I do, I do aggressively. That's so my shoulders come up. It ain't just, if you watch stuff. Right. You know what I'm saying? Steph, steps hit the, step shoot the ball and go through. Steps just do like this.

When I do anything, my shoulders do this. I'm tense, right? So now, the first time I did the night night, which was after the Rudy Gober play when I... Yeah. I hit the night night. Now, that I was like, oh, like, it was way up here.

It was aggressive as hell. Now, Steph gave me notes after that one, and he said, you know, it was a little aggressive. You was too high up. You got, like, come down a little. And so I took notes. And what I will say, is on that one after that

I think my hands were a little bit lower. I learned to drop the head a little bit more. But she was bouncing your head. Well, you know, it would be a little over-cellet. But listen, there's a thing, though. There's the thing. So then I walk in the locker room after all this plays out. And I'm walking around the locker room and I always go

shake everybody up. Loom. Loon, people think Loon Don't talk. Loon is the corporate Yeah, I'm funny. So Moses and Loon over there like, man, it's a nightmare.

I hear them like, man, Draymond ain't doing the night night. He's doing the nightmare. I start crying laughing. And then Moses obviously came out and said it publicly and there it is. The nightmare

it became world-renowned, worldly known. Nah, I'm just joking. You got to do something like this, like the night night and then do something like that. Like, I've had a couple night night moments in the last week and a half,

though, so I, you know, maybe I need to come over my own celebration. I mean, start with the night and go. To the goat stuff. Ra!

You know, something like this and then like, ah, nightmare. Yeah, that's good. I like that. All right,

we got to work on that. I mean, I wish I had it. I didn't have no Sally. I was just, damn, I wish I had me a Sally, man.

Yeah, maybe I need to come up on one. Nightmare. You got to work on the... Man, we're about to head out on this road trip. But before we get out of here, Steve always calls it the giveaway game. We got to Raptors for our last home game of the seven-game homestand. Five and one currently looking to go six and one. It would have been great to go seven, though, but I don't think anyone's complaining about a six-and-one homestine.

and then we head out on the six-game trip and why Steve always call it the getaway game is because he just always say, you never know that first game on the road, especially when you're going east. You just never know how the body's going to react, how the minds are going to react. So the getaway game becomes even that much more important

because you just want to get out on the right note. You know what I'm saying? And so getaway game is extremely important for us, like I said, closing this home stand out. But then also, obviously, we all know where to stand. and is our. Minnesota's right on our hills. Clippers are right on our hills. We're not too far back from some other guys here. Other teams hills. And so every game matters and you got to take

care of the ones that you're supposed to win. This Raptors game is one that we should take care of. We're at home. We've been playing well. Steps coming back off a night off. Let's go. You know, we should be able to take advantage of this. And so it's a very important game for one that we got to take advantage of. And then our first game on the road comes against the Hawks. Dyson Daniels currently has 194 steals on the season,

more than any player in the last 15 years. And in case y'all forgot how good my dog was defensively that y'all never put on the all defensive team, BD had a career high 191 steals and led to lead twice in steals. So I wanted to ask you, what is it about Dyson Daniels that has impressed you? And then also, if there's an art to getting steals, in your opinion.

There is an art. When you watch the great, great John Stockton, who still holds the record for assists and steals, watching people like him being sneaky. Right? You learn how to be sneaky. Alan Iverson play every passing lane. As soon as you're not thinking about it,

you got the Allen Iversons, the Duane Ways, people like that that play the pass in lane. But that John Stockton's sneakiness is really because there's just a high intelligence and knowing like where the past, like you just anticipate and passes. My career high, the year I did 191,

I picked people up three quarter court. So a lot of those steals were on ball steals. I would jam them up at half court because they couldn't take a back dribble. That was the year I picked everybody. I think, you know, I picked LeBron. I pick, you know, everybody got picked at half court.

Steve Francis got picked. I got everybody. And I used the half court as like a defensive line. So I think with Daniels, it's a combination. He plays defense. He got quick hands, but he's scrappy and he's sneaky. Big dude dribbling the ball In the pose

He's coming around On the backside You anticipating flashes And cuts down the middle Somebody like him When you told Don't help off the corner You've figured out a way

That you can help off the corner And still try and make the play And so that's what I like about him The artist steals is just You gotta be sneaky And you also just have to be in the mix Like what are the tendencies of everybody on this team, right?

And then where can you anticipate? You know, for me, it was more like that and taking the challenge, but slapping the ball out of, you know, out of the big dude hand when they underneath the basket, right? Not being afraid to like get a lot of chop files, I call them, right? I got a lot of chop files,

but I didn't really care because I'm going to file you and I'm going to, you know, basically make your risk, hurt. That part. That part. So I'll file you. I file you. I'll file you hard.

I'm probably going to chop you in the wrist, right? I'm probably going to hack you and slap you across the chest, reaching. And then I may push you when you get by me. And I learned that from Jason Kidd. I almost picked Jason Kidd. I had him on. He had me on the sideline, man. I had him.

Boom. Pluck. I was on the way. Man, Jason Kidd pushed me into the scores tape. I was like, yo, what's up? Like, no, man, I ain't trying to get the turnover. You ain't picking me. So, you know, I think that's the art.

It's being sneaky. I would ask you, too, because as a defender, you look at somebody like, you know, 194 steals this season. Like, that's huge. That's a lot. That is. That is.

That's huge. I think I'd actually give Dyson Daniels credit. He's a good defender. A lot of guys that get steals ain't good defenders. A lot of guys that get steals, they just sell out on the play and leave your defense. If they don't get to steal, they leave your defense.

And rotations like we were talking about earlier, they leave your defense at a disadvantage because now they're out of position and someone got to cover for that. I think steals, in some cases, has been a misconception around this lead of that if you get steals, you're a good defender. That's not the case.

I don't think that about Dice and Danes. I do think Dyson Danians is a good defender just like yourself. And there is an art to it. A, you have to be willing to take the risk. So you have to be a risk taker in order to get steals. B, you have to, in the case of where there's a good defender and steals, their lies in IQ. Because you have to read these situations to not put yourself in bad positions,

not put your team in bad positions, but to still get that still. And by the way, I want to get that still, but if I don't get to steal, the good defenders, I'm still in position the guard this player. And so I think that's a big thing as well. It's like, how are you leaving your team position when you're going after these steals? And, you know, I have a guy on my team who has a great art of still in the basketball and Jimmy Butler. He's great at getting steals and anticipating things. And then obviously I like to come up with a few steals here and there myself. I'm a one-time stills leader in this NBA myself.

Come on, let's go, back then I'm saying. I think it's an art for sure. One I like to get is when I am strong side corner and I got dry, poke it away. Oh, yeah, that's easy one. Yeah, that's easy. And guys, they really willing to take that stab and get them every now and then. So I think that would be my favorite one to get for sure.

Yeah, and on top of that, like to your point, like just because you get steals, on me, you're a great defender, mean you got great instincts, great timing. You know, I always try to pride myself because I wanted to be top three in the league of guards and block shots too. Defense, stills is also blocked shot. Like, block shots, you may not block.

You know, you may not get credit for the block, but you get credit for the deflection. Yeah. I've been watching Dyson Daniels since G-League, and, you know, since he was young, and he just has a knack for disruption. Yeah, he does. He does.

He was a good defender when he was in a, it was a good defender when he was in New Orleans, too. New Orleans, yeah, he was. He just needed to pick it up more officially. And now he's done that, so it's good for him. It's good to see his growth. Yep. The highlight of the road trip is Jimmy Butler,

returning to Miami for the first time since the trade. Miami hasn't been playing well. What are they on the eight-game losing street? Nine-game losing street. They just lost last night. What do you think the atmosphere will be like for that game? Two, shut out, fly out to Miami and come to that game. And has Jimmy mentioned anything about it?

I'm coming to the game anyway. Jimmy has not said a word about it. He locked it in. He's funny. I was talking to Travis the other day. we were talking about this game and he was like, man, you think it's, because there's two guys, there's two different types of people that deal with situations like this. There's the person that doesn't say anything and you know it means a lot to him, but they

just don't say anything. And then there's the person that's like, no, this, like, I'm going to know like this. And the reality is we all know Jimmy's mentality. He's going to be on 10. What I'm excited to see is he going to be the guy that lets everybody else know and me and us around. him he on 10? Yeah, well,

is he just going to walk in there on tier and everybody fall in line. Nonetheless, I think the atmosphere is going to be a great atmosphere because Wiggs is going to come and Wigs is going to want to play great. Kyle Anderson going to get minutes and he going to want to play great.

Yep. And then obviously Jimmy raises all tides at all times and raise atmospheres at all times. And so, and I think there's going to be some plays that Jimmy going to make a known in that game. And I'm looking forward to

that smoke. So I think it's going to be a great atmosphere. I think it's going to be a fun game. I'm looking forward to it. Obviously, Miami's always fun in itself, but we're going down there locked in. So I'm looking forward to it. I think it'll be great. That just hit me. You thrive

in being hated. Right? At the beginning of the year, you were playing basketball and nobody hated you. Like, no teams hated you. They was just like, Yeah, we can beat them.

And y'all didn't have, like, and y'all were just playing basketball. Yep. Right. So when you look at, let's say the first half of the year, you say, oh, look at Jemar's shenanigans. Now look at Draymarshenanigans when he hate it. You know what I'm saying? And so now y'all got a fire. So going into Miami and the warriors being hated, y'all used to that.

Wonderful. That's how, like, y'all need that energy. more so to drive. Like, Steph needs to be hated. Mm-hmm. And not loved all the time, right? Because the love is sometimes too much. Yeah, but, you know, like, you used to that

because it's doves fans all over the world. Absolutely. And there's Steph Curry fans all around the world, three-point shooting fans all around the world. But there's a sense of emptiness and staleness and quieting the gym down or a noisy gym that you guys just thrive in because you know it's war is battle.

And so this first game, y'all going somewhere, y'all going to be hated. No, 100%. So I think this road trip is going to be a great eye-opening experience because now you get to feel like the old warriors

where people hate it, whether you were 70 wins, hate it. Everywhere you went in, you had to, like, you felt you had to earn, prove yourself, but you knew that, okay, they hate us, we hate them. And it just raises, it raises the level, right? 1,000%.

And the energy, right? Because a lot of times you got to just, you just got to try shit, do shit during the season just to rile yourself up. You ain't got to do that no more. No, you just come in on a different type of time now. Yep. Absolutely. So I'm looking forward to that.

And I love walking into the arena being hated. You know why? Because when you win, there's no better feeling. and shutting that crowd up, and we will be hated tremendously in Miami this time around. We will be hated in Memphis, as always. Oh, for sure. We will be hated in Los Angeles.

For sure. I'll be at that game. You got San Antonio, which is always a tough game. You got New Orleans, which we've had some battles in that place in playoff series, so they're always looking to beat us, right? And so this trip, and then Atlanta's always a fun game. So this will be a good trip for us.

I'm looking forward to it. Let's get around to leave before we get out of here. The Cade Cunningham, game winner versus Miami. It was good to see the young fella, you know, take advantage of that moment, you know, pull up for the Tracy. He on his way. Over Bam, out of Bayou for the game. He said that was his first three. The game winner.

And I loved his explanation after the game. He said, man, that's the moment you, like, you grow up in the driveway. Three, two, one. And you let that thing go. And it was great to see him had that moment. As you know, I'm always rooting for the Detroit Pistons when they ain't playing against us. So I was

happy to see Kaye had that moment. That was big time. Yeah, that was my sleeper team. Remember them? Houston at the beginning of the year, that was my sleeper team. Kay Cunningham has a SGA type of ore. Yeah, he just has it.

Yeah, he got the or. He got the oar. You know, I challenge to play one-on-one. I'm still not going to duck that fade, but damn, dude. I got to... It's good. He's nice, bro. Hey, he's so nice

and poise and mature. And I would say this to young kids out there. Like, if you want to be great, you have to figure out pace, how to dictate pace. And Kay Cunningham is settling into his

flow, into his pace, and he's like Luca Donchig, SGA, Steph, everybody has their own kind of pace. And it looked like they move as slow, right? But it's because you can never get them too fast, too slow. It's always in their comfort zone. And that's where Kay Cunningham is right now, man. He is in a comfort zone.

And, you know, six, seven, he can, he can shoot the three, you know, big body, get to the bucket. I like his maturity. Mm-hmm. He looked like he felt like he belonged in the position. Yeah, he felt like, yeah, he felt like he should be bigger than that, right? He looked like he prepping for the next level. Yeah.

I'm going to say here first, Kay Cunningham will bring a championship back to Detroit. I think he will. I think I see it happening. He got the mentality. He got the talent. He got the talent. He got the demeanor. He got the sense.

size, which a lot of people under Ray, he got the size to put a team on his shoulders and actually carry it. Kate Cunningham will bring championship basketball championship rings, at least a ring back to the Detroit Pistons. Obviously, I understand how important

franchising organizations is to that ownership, right? And then bringing in Trajan Langdon, I think, is a big deal. I think Trajan is ready to take that next step and ready to take that next step with the team. So I don't know when it's going to be because I think

they still got some fine tuning of the roster and different stuff that need to happen over the course of time. But Kaye Cunningham will bring a championship back to Detroit. I can't deny that with his game and what they're building over there, they got the talent.

And so look out there for the next five years. We've got to keep a close eye on what's about to start happening in Detroit. One million percent. And shout out to the city. Motor City, 313. Shout out to my Detroit people.

Our last game of the trip is the Los Angeles Lakers, which is crazy, by the way. Let's just speak a, yes, it's the Lakers, tough game. But then you come home from a two-week trip on the back-to-back versus Denver. Let's just talk about the NBA schedule makers for a reason. That's trash. Moving on.

Shout out to the NBA. Our last game versus the Los Angeles Lakers on this upcoming trip. Don't know if Brown will be back by then, assuming he will. But since Lucas debut, he's led the team and points, rebounds, assists, steals, three-point percentage, and plus-minus.

Recently, the focus has shifted to Austin Reeves, with many calling him the best third option in league. What do you think, BD? And just as of note, James Worthy, big game, James, the legend himself said, I'm telling you people, Google Pistol. Pete, Pete Merrifich,

For those of you that don't know who that is, he said, that's him. Thoughts, BD. Love Austin Reeves. Love Austin Reeves. Best third option in the league. Man, I cannot argue against that. Man, he got isom.

You hear me? He got confidence. He take big shots. He make tough shots. He can get to the bucket. You can't, you know, hezzy, pull up. layups,

fearless, chip on his shoulder, and not afraid to take big shots. Yeah. Right. Actually, wants the moment. Wants the moment.

He's looking for you to leave him open, right? And the confidence that the Lakers and JJ Reddick showing him and turning him into a point guard. Right?

You look at that dynamic with, you know, him and Luca, that backcourt, right? And then you with Luca and LeBron every day and you a young pup, man, and you got that mentality already? He just got like he ain't even touched his ceiling right now.

He's starting to learn how to pass, start to make more plays defensively. He's, you know, he's leveling up. I can see Austin Reeves as a all-star. I can see. I like him a lot better than I like a lot of people, man. Here's what will have to happen for Austin Reeves to be an all-star And he should understand this

Their team has to be top two or three in the West Because LeBron and Lucas is going to make it Right? So you're getting two off your team, no question So if your team's top two, top three in the West Around that time Then you could possibly get three in That'll be it'll have to be a path

To becoming an all-star But nonetheless, I think When I look at Austin Reeves And they say best third option elite I haven't really sat down And looked at third options to be like you're the best. And here's another thing.

All the third options ain't just based off scoring because third option. You have to do other things sometimes because the scoring may not, the ball may not come your way as the third option if Luca and Brown got it going. So I think when you're speaking the third options,

it can't be just based off scoring. You know what I'm saying? It has to be based off overall impact. And so I'm not going to sit here in debate to say he's not the best third option. I just haven't done the exercise to figure out if he is. up there, though. That's my opinion. But he definitely at the top, no questions asked. And I think one of the things that I like most about Austin Rees, I saw this clip of him. And it's actually his demeanor on the court where I saw this clip. He was on some podcast. And he said, you know, everybody like, oh, I got the white boy. And he said, it's going to be hell. You come this way. And that's actually his demeanor on the court. It's like, you think, oh, I got an off. It's going to be hell. And so I love the demeanor that he carries how he embodies, you know, just that.

to having that mentality on the floor. You know, so shout out to Austin Rees. I think he's playing great basketball. But in other news, before we get out of here, I saw the ESPN article about how you find your voices, rapper Bart Oatmeal. You know how I like to end the show with a glist. You tell me, who are your top five NBA players

whose turn rappers right now? Okay. We're going to take Bart O'Mell out the pitcher because ain't no comparison we don't compare part O'Mill only collaborates and we make fire

all right top five we're gonna go in no order this is who I like Shaquille O'Neill God father he's like the James Brown

of NBA players term rappers he's like the LL he's our OG go because he you know he's He tore the doors now.

And got a great. I like Dame Liller, Dame Dollar. Right? You got an NBA player who has kept the same name and his nickname translate that to rap. And Dame spit,

you know, put out like three or four albums, you know, breaking another threshold. Number three, Triple J. Ah, okay, Trit.

I do get, hey, he got, he put out an album it was crazy I used to bump his album I was bumping his album I think it was like two years ago

last year two years ago just for those of y'all out there that don't know who triple jay is that's jaron Jackson Jr oh that's jaren Jackson Jr my bad triple jane jason Jr in Memphis check his song out

I think the song called adukin adukin I gotta put KD in the mix absolutely the Slim Reaper in there yeah I gotta put slim Reaper in the mix

because, man, the song with him and Staley was fire. And he got bars, he got a nice melodic. Yeah, he got a nice melodic flow. You know, he got a nice tone. I like his tone. And I like, you know, obviously, I like his frequency, you know,

the beat selection, just the frequency he rap on. And I say one thing about Kay before you go to the next one. Kay is as much of a music savant as he is a basketball savant. And I think that's like, when you talk to history of music, like, KD love music. When I say he is as much a savant and that one is basketball, maybe even more. Like, you know how much of a savant and great Katie is in basketball. He's a savant when they come to that music, man. He love it.

He know every song. He know every artist. Yeah. Dating back, though, not just like new artists across the board. And so, you know, just, just Katie. No, he, oh, yeah, he can tell. And I say rounding out my last two, because I don't include Shaq. Miles Bridges.

Yes, sir, R-TBM-B. He snaps. Yes, he does. He just, he just, he snaps. And then, last but not least, Lanzo Ball, a.k.a. Ozo Oatmeal. We got collaboration. and we got a little tape.

That's my guy. You know, we'd be locked in in the studio. Shout out to Lonzo Bard. I actually want to produce a album. Mm-hmm. With all the NBA players and musicians on one album.

So that's, that's like one of my next projects because it's just so much talent. These do so talent. Victor on the Depot sing. Yes, he does. You know, Javel McGee-Make beats,

you know, a place of a producer, Justin Bieber and all that shit. I think Jebel McGeele McGee. Guy have a Grammy. Yeah, I think he do. I think Jebel got a Grammy. He may have a Grammy.

Yeah, so it's a lot of musical talent in the NBA. Hey, but I got one question on your list that I just, there's an omission that I don't like. What's that? Jello. And the reason I say Jello is a guy. Yeah, you said NBA. You said NBA.

No, if Mack McClone can be an NBA dunk champion. Well, John, you put, yeah. Jello for show. An NBA rapper. Yes. And I'm going to tell you all this, though. I'm going to tell you all this more than anybody except maybe chat. Jello is living a dream.

Yes. Here's why. We all want to be rappers. We all want to be musicians. Our rappers want to be basketball players. Yep. He did it. He is actually a musician.

He is actually played basketball. He actually at stage on Rolling Live. At Rolling Live on stage. Come on, man. Jello is living the dream right now. He is doing it, bro. He got the three fire songs out. Three of the most fire songs.

That's come up. And he only released Sloppers. Yep. Period. So Jellow got to be in that list for me. Yeah, Jello for show. Yeah, hell yeah. Oh, yeah.

Come on, man. We got a couple questions. Yes, he is. Jello is for sure that guy. But they got to come get with Bart O'Mill, man. Let's go. When Bartow Mill released the vote, it's all for collaboration, so we don't do no comparisons. We just whip up a ball, you know what I mean?

That's the slogan, get a ball. Everybody out there. Let's get it. Shout out to all the rappers, turn hoopers. Shout out to all the hoopers, turn rappers. Got to love it. Love how the two intersect. Love how music and basketball and culture intersect.

Never take that for granted. It's a part of the game. Shout out to AI. When you talk hip hop and basketball being synonymous, AI led that charge. Shout out to him. We got some other rappers out there, too. Cole was a rapper.

Colby was cold. You know what I'm saying? He had to join with Tyra? Yes, he did. So shout out to the guys. And I'll tell you what, you will not be hearing any rapes for me. Yeah, you will.

I try to rhyme with every sense. And every bar. You're going to get you right. So it's a rap. You will hear Jemann on a Bart Oatmeal. Welcome to the Bay album. I got to get you on there, bro. You're going to hear me like DJ Callet.

That's fine. That's the best. That's a wrap from this episode of the Dreemind Green show with my dog, Barth, B.D., the legend Baron Davis. Get a ball of that. J. Mon's show. We out.