The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Kevin Durant on Warriors-Suns trade veto, Steph Curry & BEST NBA era, 1v1 Tourney & His Future

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Legendary Kevin Durant joins Draymond Green and Baron Davis for an engaging conversation about basketball! KD shares his reasons for denying a trade from the Suns to the Warriors, discusses the best era of basketball, and whether he plans to pursue his fifth gold medal with Team USA in 2028. He also highlights his top three basketball experiences outside the NBA and shares insights about playing against LeBron James. Durant reflects on what he envisions for the final chapter of his career and recalls unforgettable moments with Steph Curry during the 2024 Olympics. Finally, the guys keep it real with fans about how they discuss the game. KD answers questions about participating in a 1v1 tournament, naming his toughest competition, and shares his thoughts on the best ways to advance the NBA. Timeline: 2:30 - Start   8:00 - Top 3 Basketball Experiences Outside the NBA   10:30 - Respect the Younger Generation   12:00 - Which Era of Basketball is the Best to Play?   16:00 - Why Didn't KD want to be traded to the Warriors? 25:45 - High Basketball IQ vs LeBron, KD, Klay & Kyrie 30:15 - Mentality in Crunch Time 35:30 - Playing with the Warriors / Best Era of NBA Basketball? 40:45 - Moments with Steph during the 2024 Olympics  43:30 -  Going for 5th Gold Medal in LA 44:45 - Final Chapter of KD's Career 52:00 - Biggest Career Turning Point  57:30 - Keeping it 100 with NBA Fans 1:01:15 - Would KD Play in a 1v1 Tournament? / Toughest 1v1 Competition  1:04:45 - Will KD, LeBron, and Steph team up in the future? 1:06:30 - How to Advance The Game? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Herd Follow The Draymond Green Show on social media:  https://www.instagram.com/draymondshow https://x.com/DraymondShow https://www.facebook.com/people/Draym... https://www.tiktok.com/@draymondgreen...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The volume. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green show with my brother, Baron Davis, B.D. What's happening? What's up, Big Dog? How you feeling? I'm great, brother.

I'm great. We have a very special episode for you today. We also have more guests coming on to the Pied, so make sure you subscribe to the Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis so you don't miss any episodes. And the non-guest episodes will be fired, too, since we're in the second half of the season. So follow the show on all social media platforms.

That's at Draymond Show. So you don't miss none of these great announcements. Now introducing our next guest, we have a special, special, special guest today. One of the goats, for sure, top 75 in the NBA all-time, four-time Olympic gold medalist, Mr. USA himself,

NBA MVP, two-time NBA champion, two-time NBA finals MVP. 15-time All-Star, the smooth operator, 11-time all-NBA team member, rookie of the year, Arsenal of Weapon Tree, right, the chef and a sous chef, right, cutlery tools everywhere on the floor, none other than the world famous

legend in the making and continue Kevin Durant. Oh man, I appreciate that intro, man. Hell of an intro, fellas. Hell of a resume. God. I mean, damn.

Hey, dog, God damn. This is crazy. That's a man. Crazy. I'd be feeling good about my little resume. Here we go. Yeah, that shit. Wow.

Definitely one of the best to ever touch of basketball. Appreciate it, man. Sure, it's an honor, man. Honor to have you on the show. There's a gift of Jemann talking to you in your ear that's widely used. Do you remember what Jemann was talking about in that moment just to kick the show off? Yeah, I get asked that question a lot, man. Everybody want to know what he was saying.

I don't remember word for word, but he was more so gassing me up. more so than anything. Like, they can't fuck with you. He can't stop. He was gassing me up for sure. I see my day excitement as he kept talking in my eyes. You know, I kept starting to start smiling a bit. And he started cooking.

And I kept cooking. That part. BD, you know what I was telling him? He told the world, I was just telling them the same thing. You know who you are. You can't. Yeah. It can't fucking.

You still remind me that shit a lot. That's who you are. Hey, and then he didn't do that. Hey, that's, you got to play that role, man. You know, KD. one of the humble superstars, bro. Like, KD is, like, the thing of who you walk down the street and you're like, that's my homie.

Like, probably one of the most approachable superstars around. And so I think when I'm on the court with him, sometimes it's like, he'll allow that same approach. And I'm like, no, bro, like, they, they're not good enough. And they can't approach you, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm going to remind you of that because in my role, that's the type of time I need you on, like, at them at all times.

And that same demeanor is why he is who he is, you know what I'm saying? But also being able to just flip the switch like he can, crazy. But every shot open, brother, seven feet. So every shot he shoot is open. It's crazy. On any court, I mean, for me, just, you know, watching the come up, It's all about what you do when you're at your peak,

when you at the moments of where all lies on you, and he never stopped hooping where all the hoopers was. You know, if you really fuck with hooping, you're a real hooper, you're going to show up where you're supposed to show up, showing up at the record. He came out here. He blessed me with the LA Unified game. Like, he played the whole game.

But to embrace that next generation and to show up, where they show up at your superstar level, at your MVP level, like, you can't say nothing else. You know, I watch that and I say kudos to you for that, because ultimately that's what's carrying you now, is that that spirit that like, all right, we're showing up. Oh, are we hooping? Like, I already know I'm the top dog out here.

You feel what I'm saying? I always looked up to them hoopers, the older dudes in the gym who was of service to the game. You know what I'm saying? They're in there working on their, game, in there helping the youngsters work on their game, they're teaching the young dudes how to be a pro. I always admired that attitude and that approach, you know what I'm saying? And that's how I always felt every time I step in the court, even as a young player,

that I need to be a service to the game, go out there and be coachable, work hard as I can in every drill, try to play the win every time I'm on the court, be a good teammate. So I always thought about that when I played. And I got, and I was inspired by a lot of the older dudes and the, and the gym, random dudes in a gym, I probably ain't even play high school college ball was just their approach to the game. I appreciate it. Out of all the places that you've shown up in Hoop, like he said, Rock or Drew Lee, out of all the places you've shown up in Hoop, what would you say your top three experiences

were, like, outside of the NBA, just like, you go play at the park next door. Like, out of all of those places, what would you say your top two or three was of experiences, like, in Hoop? Yeah, I would say that first time, like, after my rookie season, it was. It was probably like a week had passed. We had just played our last game. My rookie year and I went down to the Goodman League. That first time as a pro, four season.

Oh. And I had 62 that game. Jesus. But the dude I was playing against had like 52, rest of the people. God bless his soul. He passed away. He actually played high D1, too. He was a good player.

And it's online, but that back and forth was like legendary in our city. You know, that was a memorable time. I would say that time, and then the first time I went to the Drew. It was the Drew before us and the gym where it was at now. What's the name of that first gym that was in? Washington Park. Yeah, that one. And I played three games that day.

They say that it happened. Like, you can't just play on different. You know, you can't be hopping on team. But I'm like, man, I'm just trying to hoop the day, man. There was a lockout. So they let me play on three teams. I think that first game I played with DeMar and them. I think that was your, I don't know.

It was the game. Demar. I forget who else was on that team. And I had threw it off the glass. and dunked it. Yep. And the crowd went stupid. And that's why I was like, yeah, this L.A. basketball, this is what I wanted,

this is that feeling I wanted when I wanted to come out here and hoop. That's why I moved to L.A. in offseason just to get that a different level of hoop. You know, I hooped and did everything in D.C., you know, outdoors and every gym. I was like, I knew who knows. And I heard about how great the hoop was in L.A. So I moved out there, and that was kind of like my first time getting out. Now, you was killing. We're playing, you know what I mean?

So that was a good, that was a memorable time. And then the record obviously was legend. That was crazy. That's always been a legendary court. You know what I'm saying? So those really gave me the same feeling that I felt like an NBA game almost. And you also spoke about just how you are steward to the game. Number one, congratulations, bro, on 30,000 points.

Thank you all of them. Congrats. That's a lot of buckets. I still ain't reached 10 yet, but I'm going to get there one day maybe. But I saw Jai gain you that ball. Jah being a young fella and Nike. You know, what was that like just for you to share that moment with? Like, Jai going to, you know, he keeps doing what he doing.

He's going to be a legend in his own right one day. Exactly. I mean, it was especially kind of fell on that day. We playing against that team, you know, him and Jaron Jackson and Bain. I got a lot of respect for those young dudes. And they always compete hard and show me respect, too. and sort of play against them and for John to hand me the ball

somebody I, you know, been following since he was at Mary State and we kind of had a little relationship as well as he's coming up in the league. So it was sweet, man. You know, I really respect how hard the younger generation plays and how much they respect the game.

A lot of people don't say that about the young dudes, but these dudes, they know their history and they actually respect the game and I appreciate that about them. And they're hard workers too, you know what I'm saying? So I try to do my part by going out there and staying at that level where that I'm at and competing hard against them and they know

there's not no cakewalk when they see me. I think that's a part of being who I am and being the older dude in the league is playing hard against them too. And, you know, and leaving the game, they respect it. You know what I'm saying? They want to see how you are right now. All that shit you did before is cool, but they don't. They don't

care about that. They want to see who you are tonight. And, you know, so they keep me on that level with, like, that standard that I want to keep myself at. They help with that. You know, almost, we played the two different decades. You've seen the game involved. You've seen the style of play evolve. Can you talk about just eras? Which era for you was like the most exciting? And then being a vet in this new era, what does it feel like being like, damn, dude, I wish I was my younger self. I mean, I like, I love this

era ball, man, because it's just, it's free flowing. It's a lot of space to work. We encourage to shoot more shots to shoot deep threes. Like, people talk about the players a lot about this three-point shooting, but they don't realize how much our coaches encourage us to shoot threes. That's crazy. Every day, like, we might have a

film session strictly on like, we need more threes up, you know what I'm saying? So it's like having that encouragement from your coach to be aggressive to shoot and the score is definitely better for me in this area. I mean, the past eras were cool, too. I got the freedom to shoot whenever I want, but my teammates then had that

confidence. That's a little different. So now everybody feeling like they got confidence to go out there and score. That makes it easier for everybody. So I enjoy this area a little bit more just for that simple fact. And it's just the amount of athleticism and skill that you see in the lead from all positions now. It's just crazy to see. You know what I'm saying? So evolutionally, it was fun to play in it and see it, you know, in real time. As someone, though, who doesn't, Like, you'll get 40 points in an attempt two-three. That's somebody who can shoot the pince out of the three ball but doesn't necessarily shoot a bunch of them.

Do you think some guys being so confident to shoot sometimes become a problem for these teams, though? Yeah, for sure, for sure. There's plenty of times. Well, you might have, you could have turned that one down and got something better. Instead, you pulling his three over contest and you owe for five for the night.

It's definitely a double-air sword to all of it. that. I mean, when it's great, though, it's like the peak of basketball. But when it's bad, we got to live with both sides of that. But players could turn down some of those threes, especially if you're not hot, you know what I'm saying, to find a better shot or maybe get closer to the rim. Yeah. But overall, I think it's pushed the game to new heights.

As a vet dude, do you find yourself when you're talking to the young guys saying, like, man, when I was your age and then thinking about. Like, actually, when you were their age in this era, like, what would the Golden State Warrior, you know, OKC, Durantula look like playing against these young dudes you'd be talking shit to every night because you'd be barking at him, though. I didn't know you bark like that. Oh, you'd be barking at him. No.

So I wonder. Got to keep that energy up, man. I think that up the level of the game when you're engaged like that. I think more so than anything, my mentality as I got older, I wish I was thinking a little bit like this when I was younger. Whereas coming into the game, I was superstitious early on when I come into the day. I felt like everything had to be right for me to play well. I was just overthinking a lot of things out there.

I think I got older, more experience, and you reach some success. You kind of relax a bit on like, you know, just let the game come to you and play your game instead of trying to force things, you know what I'm saying? and you know exactly when you need to press the issue and when you don't. I think as a young player, you just always pressing the issue trying to figure it out. And I would have more bad games than I would want to at that age. Now, you know, I'm not playing, you know, I might shoot it bad, you know, every once in a while. You know what I'm saying?

So I just feel more relaxed coming into the games, you know, making me execute a little better. So I wish I had that mentality early on in my career. But it worked out either way. A few weeks ago, you said you didn't want to be traded in the middle of the season, which is why you didn't come to the Warriors, which I thought was going to happen. I was at the game. I was like, oh, man, Katie came over here. He showed me love.

I was like, oh, we're about to get Katie. Do you want your career to end in Phoenix? Man, I want my career to end on my terms. That's the only thing. Bingo. That's the only thing I'm worried about, you know what I'm saying? That's all that matter. Because I see a lot of clues.

don't get that opportunity, you know what I'm saying? So I want to keep putting in that work to, you know, make that choice on my own. But as far as the Warriors, I just didn't think it was, you know, and then I didn't want to move. And then it's a player like me. I just, I cost a lot. I mean, me going into your team is going to make, it's going to be a whole new area of your team when I get to your team. You know what I'm saying? And that's a lot of work.

Change. Like, I'm still of value, you know what I'm saying? Especially in my contract and just my production that. Me just getting up and moving in the middle of season, it's going to be a big blow to any team I'm going to. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I get why y'all want to trade me and you know,

you all looking at it just from simple fact, that's just business. But from me looking at it, I'm just like, it just don't make sense for either side right now to go through that. You know what I'm saying? When we just play the season out

and if that's a decision you want to make, you know, in the off season, then, you know, you figure it out. So big. It's just such a big change to make. And I've been through it before. I was like, damn, it's not really it.

It ain't, yeah, it ain't the right move, like, to be able to move in the middle of the season and all that. 26 games left, you know? If I can't stop it, then why not? You know what I'm saying? And then the narratives that's going to come with all that shit. It was just like, you know, you don't want to go stay there. You don't want to go play with Draymond no more. You don't want to, you know, narrative that in your way.

You don't want to go back. I was like, yeah, that shit is annoying. I don't like it. But I can play under it. Like, you don't know what? Like the type of shit that people say about me, I could play under the noise. It's a simple fact that, like, there's no need. I didn't feel like it was a need to, you know, make that big of a change right now.

It didn't make sense to me. So I tried to, I'm glad it was, you know, and look, look, look what you're doing right now, Dre. You're looking good. Jimmy and then you still got coming on the way back, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't think it made sense. Absolutely. No, I think a lot of people don't realize what you going through that in Phoenix of, The midnight hour trade.

Bridges leave. I think Aiden left. No, Cam Johnson. Cam Johnson. Bridges, Cam Johnson. Those were big gaps. You know what I'm saying? To try to fill those holes.

You make that moving off season. There may be a third team. You can get involved or different stuff where you don't have to deplete your whole team during the middle of the season that is very tough to do. And I don't think people realize. And then like you said, also being, At your age, like, I think everybody still look at you like you're a spring chicken because of the way you play.

So you're still hooping at the same level, but you're set in your life and in your ways at this age to just up and leave. That is a lot. Like for Jimmy, Jimmy needed that. You know what I'm saying? Like Jimmy needed a change. That was a different thing. But, you know, if he didn't want that change before, which is probably why he was never traded before. Because y'all do have that type of power to say, nah, and no franchise.

ultimately want to disrespect guys like y'all because if they do, how do you ever get a level? Exactly. And then I just want to see it through. You know, when you commit to something in a season like that, it's like everybody still, nobody's like big injuries, like everybody's in the lineup. And like, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to see this through to the end and see what we can really do with it. You know what I'm saying?

So, and I feel like I'm committed to my coaches and teammates and I want to see it through. So, man, I wanted to lock in on that. Who's scoring big in the NBA this season? You are all the new ways to get in on the action at Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NBA. Slams, dishing the ball, cleaning the glass, get behind your favorite players, prop bets you can make on Draft Kings. It's fun.

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Y'all, we've, obviously every time we play is a battle. I always tell people, man, when I play a game, You last night against Clay, playing Kyrie, right? Like, play against Bronn. Like, bro, when we play those games, man, it's just like the level of play, the level of thinking that is amongst us

when we're playing those games. Like, that's when I had the most fun. That's why I was saying, All-Star Weekend, when I said the game is born, what I said it after that was because we played Bronham last week, And I'm waiting for him to slightly turn his head that way so I can go help over. Because if I lean this way and he ain't turned his head yet, he's getting that pass through there as a dump.

Right? Like, people don't understand the level we be at when we're playing against each other. And it always take me back to their matchups. Like, regardless of how great we were when you were here, we still had to play chess against Ron in order to beat them. For sure. And so I feel like we don't get a bunch of that now. Like I get that when I play against you where I feel like every second.

Like you see how locked in when I play. Every second I have to be locked in on the defensive possession because if I let up for one minute, that's all you need is a split second. And I also think, though, okay, that's why you, Steph, Braun, Jimmy. That's why y'all still playing at such a high level

because I also don't think these younger guys realize when guarding y'all how they have. have to be on every second. Do you see some of that? Am I off? No, you're right. I feel like when you've been through some of the battles, though, that we've been through in the playoffs and those moments

that you've been through, yeah, the younger dudes haven't experienced that. Whereas coaching is out the way, schemes is out of the way, and it's all about the will, the talent, and the cerebral game. You know what I'm saying? And in many playoffs games where it's

like, all right, dog, they know every play. We've running. We know every play they run it. Most of the time, it's just going to be like, who can beat their man and who can guard their man. You know what I'm saying? And so most of them times it's just like, you see when we play Cleveland, it's all right, who can Brown pick on? You know what I'm saying?

And how can we, all right, you want to try to get Steph up there? All right, we're going, Steph going to run up this screen, but I'm going to make sure I try to trail him as much as I can to switch him off the screen to waste a little bit of y'all time. So by the time, you try to get Steph up there, four, five seconds on the clock. That's the type

thinking we was on those games when coaches not in the way schemes not in the way we know all of that stuff now let's just go hoop the younger who's gonna get there you never you know

they might get that experience they might not but we've been through those battles against not just bronze but just even guys that haven't one shit's playing against the Spurs playing against the Memphis Grizzlies you know

playing against the Clippers the Lob City Clippers it's like going to game six or seven with these teams like you're going to O KC, Houston. It's hard as hell, man.

It wasn't a lot of sweeps. It was game six, game sevens. You know what I'm going. Like, when you're thinking on that level, when it's past coaching, where it's past all of that, when it's just y'all on the floor controlling the game, that's the level. So when you see guys that been on that level before you,

Karee, stuff, even, I would say JT now, he played a lot of play all game. Yeah, J.T. Absolutely. Jalen Brown. Jailen Brown. I would say Giannis played a lot of playoff game. You know what I'm saying?

They know is that level of detail late in the season that you got to play with. You know what I'm saying? So I think the young dude is going to get to that point. You see an aunt player. He got some playoff games under his belt. He's going to get there. I'm saying. So once they reach that level, I think that's when you'll start to see, you know what I mean?

Get that f***ing again. Yeah, it's trial and error. And I always say basketball is timing. however much time you can consume, however much time you can disrupt as a defender for an offensive person. It's really, you know, you get in these intricate moments

where you have to be just as smart as the person that you're going up against, right? Exactly. Talk about just your mentality down the stretch. You know, I'm looking at the pedigree. I'm looking at the accolades. I'm trying to, like,

Like, what is the unlock, right? What, what the hell are you thinking? Yeah. When it's like, oh, okay, it's time for me to go five levels up. Yeah. I try to relax as much as possible and stick to the fundamentals. I don't want to try no dare shot, I mean, no, no heat check shots late in the game. You know what I'm saying?

I try to stay away from those. So I just try to keep it at the fundamentals, finding places on the court where I know I'm going to knock the old shots down or get a good shot up. And most of the time when I'm thinking like that in the fourth, I got some success, you know what I'm saying? And then I had times where I'm rushing

and I want it so bad, I want to win so bad, and then I'm rushing shots, and now I'm missing and now we lose the game. But all of that stuff is, you know, trial and error, like you said, you learn from it. And what was the common denominator for me is just if I relaxed late in the game

and approach it just like I approach it, just like I approached the first quarter, then it was easier for me. Unless the year is 2017 or 2018, and you get the ball to that left hand on the left coming in, and the left quad, you know, that left slot area, and you're walking into it from 37 feet. Unless it's that, and he in Cleveland, Ohio, unless it's that situation.

Oh, man, he didn't take a lead check shot. Hey, and he wound that one up. Let's start for the dagger. The dagger? All right, I might pull that motherfucker from deep. Hey, man, I had to run out the studio on that one. That was one of them, ooh! I had to run out the studio and flex on everybody.

We was watching that live. I see that coming. Can go right to left. He put that ball in that left hand? Oh, you're dead. We played that straight. He's going to jam that left hand. Every time I see the ball on that left.

I got to press out. You got to beat me, bro. Because once he's, once he's, once he, get into the shot, there's nothing you can do. He's jumping forward and he's seven feet and the ball up here. So you get no good contest once he gets into the shot.

The best you're going to do, you're going to file. And with the rhythm he have on that shot, even if you file, he's making it. I feel good at that rhythm. You got to jam me early. If you want to see that shot away. Man, because I did, I had to honor playing with you, you know, playing against you.

I like just the progression. I was telling the story where, you know, my claim to fame against KD is, you know, Katie, I picked you like three times. Hey, you're saying, hey, play a good job, bro. You're switching everything. Hey, bro, he was coming off to switch.

I was like, I was jamming that left fan too. Come back to end of the season. Remember the end of the season? I don't know what you was on, but you was mad as here. He started coming with the cross, boom, pulling up. I said, okay, dude, my number of years are short. See, yeah, because he played it too.

He played it too. It's M. Monti out here. I was too that rookie year. I remember that game. That was my last game, my rookie season. Yeah, oh, man, you was killing. I'm like, these dudes, it's tough, man. They're switching everything.

They, they was the first small ball team that I'm like, man, they could have played in this area where they played with y'all, out Harrington and y'all just switched all them actions and I had to play y'all one-on-one and y'all was 50. Yeah, no, that last game, boy, you put it all, we was like, damn.

I remember Jack came up to you. I came up to you. It was like, damn, bro. Y'all ain't nobody going to be able to fuck what you left. Mellie was like, guard him. It was like, man, we can't guard him.

Get out of here. It's over, dog. Season over. Dub Nation, what up? Got some questions coming out from Dub Nation. Do you think people are still mad at you for playing with the Warriors? I mean, I'm sure some people are not going to let it go.

I'm going to say they mad. They're still angry about it, but I don't think they're going to forget that I went to the Warriors. You know what I'm saying? That's going to always be a talking point when it comes to my career. but I don't give a shit. We did some incredible things,

and we got some of the most fun times of my life moving around as a warrior. So it's going to be people that love it. It's going to be people that hate it, man. But at the end of the day, it happened. And it was great. And we happy it did because it created a dynasty. Man, got to see you at the peak of your career and your moment. And so when you think about when time passed,

and people are like, damn, bro, like we've, just would have stayed together for, you know, three, four more years. Yeah, they're going to say that. They won't say that. But when they should just be, you know, going back and watching that footage so they can learn. Yeah. That part. That part.

You hear people say that shit all the time, and the reality is 2015 to 2019 is, in my opinion, the best era of NBA basketball, the best five-year stretch of NBA basketball. in my opinion. But regardless if that's your opinion or not, you may say, oh, it was the show talent. It's somewhere in the top three, which the Monagazza is coming in the NBA. That's a big deal.

And you coming to the Warriors elevated it so much to where that's why it became that. It doesn't become that. We never really experienced the era of basketball we experienced had you not came to the Warriors that's actually what elevated the game because it elevated teams because then all of a sudden it was like,

oh, whoa, wait, we got a bill to be dim. And that dude, it elevated the team and elevated skillsets. I think it elevated so much, in my opinion. No, I agree. I agree. And as I was making that decision to leave OKC, it was like, all right, if I stay at OKC,

I think I'm passing up on something so incredible that I don't know if I could just pass. this up. This ain't this is a regular opportunity. That's how I was feeling. And I didn't know exactly how I would play out, obviously, but it just felt like this would be a huge, huge shift in moment. And not just to people that consume

the game, but just how the game was played itself. You know what I'm saying? This seemed like something I can't turn down right now. You know what I mean? And it turned out to be that big, and I agree. You know what I'm saying? There was so many great team. Like, 67 winning Spurs

that year. Y'all won 73. then Clee went 16 and had one, what, 14 in the playoffs, I think, when they put 14 and 1. It was like insane shit that was going on, team-wise and individual player-wise. You know what I'm saying? We were seeing that. That's when Kauai started to emerge to become a superstar from there. Right. You know what I'm saying?

That's when y'all, the warriors started to come around 2015. That's when, you know, you step, Steph, Clay, started to jump on to be all-stars every year. You know what I'm saying? So, Kai Reast started playing with Brian that year. seeing Kyrie in a totally different light. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So it was a lot of shift in like, you know,

dudes that are transformed to be like, oh, they're stars now. These dudes are superstars too now. I'm saying there was a few extra dudes that you wouldn't expect in like a Kaua. Like a, James. James had just kind of left. You all right when that happened

and James became James. James. You know what I'm saying? Like even Steph, I mean, Steph was at the on-star level, but he ascended to like god tear levels around that time. You know what I'm saying? So when you see these dudes, you know, even myself, you know,

from an MVP, you know what I'm saying? And you see everybody ascended with D-Rode. You know, I can just go down the line. Russ, everybody, everybody leveled up. Everybody leveled up at that time. And I all felt like at the same time. And when you go from seeing dudes become young stars to super mega-stars that's going to, you know,

push the league forward for the next. next 10 years, it's just like, wow, that shit, that shit happened quick. And it surprised us, too, you know, because he was so used to the Kobe shack era things that slow down pace of guards backing the backing you down all way down court. Yeah. It was very rare you see a BD or Steve Francis or, you know what I'm saying? Or, now, you were seeing these dudes every night.

Every night. So I think the players had went to the next level and then the team building that went to the next level too. Yeah, it was a good time. it allowed for everybody to assume they superstar power. And then it allowed for some consolidation for like super combat. Because like you were saying, y'all wasn't sweeping people. It was game six.

Memphis. Memphis had a consolidated, curated, you know, All-Stars, Gassau, Z-Bow, right? People start putting together the right engine of teams. You leave O KC, go to the Warriors That becomes super dynamic Okay, C still become You know, it allowed Russ To become a superstar

James go to Houston He become a superstar, right? You got Dumar in Toronto You got PG with Russ Then you got PG with Russell The dame emerged, right? Carl Lauer became a nine-time all-star After not making an all-star

For like his first six or seven years Or something like that It was a boom. Players were just stepping it up a level throughout the whole league, which made teams better, you know what I'm saying? And it was just a perfect time, man. You've seen it. Doos is working their asses all.

And I think a lot of the reason that come about was we hooped a lot in the summers with each other. We knew another team USA. So we was kind of like sharpening each other throughout the whole league, to be honest. Absolutely. C.P. and James. C.P. and P.P. and Blake. CP, like, it was a lot of shit going on around that time. It was a, that was a great time, man.

It was cracking. Obviously, we won championships together, gold medals together. This past summer, you got to, you won another gold medal this time with Steph. What was a moment that you and Steph had, you know, or something teaming up that you haven't spoke about, especially, man, on that level, bro. That was crazy. Yeah, that was a level. Yeah.

I mean, it was like, when you got on the. When I got back on the floor with Steph as a teammate that first few games, it was like that nonverbal. Because you know there's a certain way that you got to, like, play with Steph. You know what I? Absolutely. He's giving the ball up knowing that, all right, now. I'm flying back off this pin down.

Make sure you look for me. And a lot of dudes in the USA didn't quite understand that. You know what I'm saying? So when I were getting the game, I was like, all right, let me see what he about to do real quick because he gives this up. That don't mean he's going to stand. He's going to run around somewhere to try to get open. So I was like, I felt like I was the only one on the court that knew what he was thinking.

You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. So it was like, it's like we ain't have to say much, but I kind of knew. You know what I'm saying? That's from all those years playing together and watching film together and figuring shit out. It's like, that was cool to fill again. You know what I'm saying? Because we worked that way up today and go to the state where we ain't have to talk to each other.

I kind of knew what he was thinking and vice versa. So to bring that feeling back on Team USA was special. And then obviously those last two games, you know, I'm saying, just how he's, he's, that shit was ridiculous, bro. He made, like, he made nine threes that game against Serbia. And then what he did against France, those last few shots, it was just perfect. But we always wanted that moment. You could tell he did, he wanted to go medal in the Olympics.

He had one for the world championships. Yeah, two of them. Two of them, yeah. You tell he wanted that Olympic moment. So, but to be like that, man, that was crazy. I don't know something he'll always remember. I got a secret, I'm going to tell you. But if I tell you this secret, you got to promise to just know that it's my secret.

All right. And you can't do nothing about it. I got the ball from when you broke the USA scoring records. Why did you got that door, dog, that's crazy. I got that ball. Somebody had to keep it. Because I kept it after that game. It's like, it's your ball.

And then you left it sitting somewhere. I was like, he don't want this ball. I'm going to say this. So I got the ball here. Oh, man, I know it's safe over there, man. So you just need your signature on here, Brian. I can't go sell it, but I would love your signature. Oh, you're doing that exam up over there and shit.

You know what I'm saying. Man, that's one of them ones, though. Hey, man, I got a chance to play with the ghost. You think I don't want to hold on to that? Come on, man. Come on, man. This is great. Talk to me.

So I appreciate that. But, man, Ken, you got four Olympic gold medals. You still, I heard you for the first time talk about retirement, maybe within the last three weeks. And you said, I think about it all the time or something like that. Me personally, I know you love just playing basketball. Is there some chance you go get five Olympic gold medals in L.A.? Yeah, there is a chance.

There's a chance. My thing always been is like, I want to still be on this level that I'm playing. that when that time comes around. I don't want that. Don't give me that, oh, gee, man, just come be one of the guys and we need your presence type. No, I want to hoot

if I go out. You know what I'm saying? I want to be counted on to play minutes. You know what I mean? And you need me to knock down shots to help the team type shit. I don't want that farewell shit. You know what I'm saying? You can get that spot to a youngster that I haven't experienced. You know what I'm saying? So

if I'm up to that level and I'm still hooping at that level and I expect myself to be, then, yeah, I would definitely love to be a part of that, especially being in L.A., like, being on the home, saw you. That's going to be crazy. That's going to be stupid. That's going to go crazy.

You're stupid. Hey, you've been hoping for a long time. Do you ever think, like 19, 20 when you came in the league, and now you're looking at the Olympics, you know, you're looking at, you know, the back end of your career? What is the final chapter, right, look like for you? Like, how do you want to paint that final chapter? I don't even, man, that's a good question.

I mean, and it's hard to say right now. Obviously, I can't predict a future, but like I said, I just want to be, I want to be healthy and make that choice for my own and now be able to, you know, lead a game the way I want to leave it. And I want to just keep building with, you know what I'm saying, you know, the young players in the league throughout the, you know what I mean? I just want to be respected, you know, respected as one of the guys that, and pour back into the younger generation of players

but still hoop on that level with them too, though, like compete on that with them too. That's how I want my career to end. I want to still be nice, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know what I mean? I want to still be the old dude. I'm like, yo, he's still like, you know,

you might call him back when he's 42, 40. What I'm saying? That's the type of vibe I want to have when I lead the game, you know, and I don't want to just hang around just to hang around, you know. I'm saying. So wherever that may be or whoever I'm playing with. There's got to be buckets. Once you're not a bucket no more, you're at, you ain't coming off the bench, sitting on the

bench saying, come on, young fellow, you can do it. I can come off the bench and the Jamaica off a type of role, you know what I'm not? But if it's got to be buckets. If I'm doing that, then that wouldn't be too bad. but I can't need you the goddamn seven, eight, right, right? That can't be the 10 minutes of night. The stretch four, stretch five.

No, man, I don't go chill for a lot. Oh, man. Kay, when you look back at your career, what would you look at and say? That was the biggest turning point in my career. Because, like, we go through turning points at every level, right? Like, you was at Montrose Christian leave? you know, go to Oak Hill,

there's like turning points at every level. Which one would you look at in your life and say, it could have been, like, you've torn Achilles, right? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. What turning point do you look at in your life and say that was the biggest one, regardless of where I was

at that point of my life? I would say, I would say 2012, 2013, like that summer after that, season we went to the finals that summer going to the Olympics and and then that season right around that season I think that's when I started to I had a trainer his name was Justin Zormelo and he would break down all the analytics or what my best shots was from where I shoot from the best on the floor

and we will work out with that in mind you know what I'm saying and so once I started making that transition of like all right seeing the game from a numbers perspective seeing the game from efficiency perspective, slowing the game down around that time. I think that was a turning point for my on-court game. And then that's when James had got traded too. So I had more responsibility as a ball handler. So my assist went up, my playmaking, and my decision-making, you know, I had to figure that out a little bit quicker than I did before.

You know what I'm saying? And I upgraded that too. It's how I see the game. So right around that time, all that was happening, and I think that's when I turned into a different player or just stepped it up a level in just my overall game. And having an opportunity to play with you, that's how your mind work now.

Like, I don't think people understand how you go on 8 for 12 for 27 points. Like, that's what you want. Like, you don't want. You're not the guy that want 20 shots again. You want 12 shots and 27 points. Yeah, I always felt like it was harder to get your shit off with a small amount of opportunities. So always, and that's what I trained for in the summer, it was just like,

all right, can you make every shot, though? You know what I'm saying? And I was like, that's hard to do. But I trained like that in the summertime. And then that season that was talking about 2013, I was my thing. I think that was the first time I did 50, 40, 90. So I always programmed like, all right, can I, can I go 13? I mean, can I go 10 foot 13 and still get 27 a night?

And when I started doing it, I was like, oh, shit, I think I think I got something. You know what I'm saying? And then I'm able to do more on the court as far as playing defense, making passes, you know, passing up shots for a better shot for my teammate. Because I'm like, all right, I know that each opportunity means something. So I got to take a good shot every time down. That's how I was thinking. Yeah, I think that's what's missing in today's game, right?

When you first came in the league, you probably get 15. 17 shots. So you had to be efficient. So like the chase for efficiency is the DNA throughout your whole narrative in your game and looking at the young dudes now. They don't have that. They don't have a efficiency rating. Right. It's just get a high volume of shots up. If I get hot, great. But it's almost like it's like playing the slot machines. Yeah. Right. With a little better eyes. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's encouraged, though.

I keep saying that. Like, we can't just keep not, you know, putting the coaches out on the forefront now. They're telling us, you know what I'm saying, to be this aggressive throughout the game and to get up more, to do more, to shoot more threes. And, you know what I'm saying?

And sometimes that efficiency, when you shoot a lot of threes in the games, I see some dudes shoot nine, 10 threes in the game, you compromise that, like, you know, making half your shots, you know what I'm saying? You know, 40%, even 35, 36% is considered good, you know what I'm saying? Right, that's making 3, 3 and a half. Yeah, so if you 4-4-11 from the 3, like, all right, that's the standard that I'm at.

You know what I'm saying? If I'm 12 or 25 from the field, I still had 32. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's a good number. 47% ain't bad from the field, but it's like a few of them shots, you probably could have made 17 for 25 if you wouldn't have took 4. those threes and you wanted to step in and made a little layup or pull up jump shot. You know what I'm saying? That's the type of game I'm thinking about.

But now it was just like, let's get them up. And, you know, there's going to be some high number of games. Dude's going to get 40 or 50 that way. You know what I'm saying? The way I'm playing is like you might not hit a big number of points. You might just be consistently at 20 to 25 or 25 to 30. You sound I mean? So, yeah, this is a matter of approach.

Yeah, I left the league in three-point attempts. I had, shit, like, nine, 10, 10 3s a game when it wasn't cool. It wasn't, but they used to throw me the ball when I was in New Orleans. They used to throw me the ball with five seconds on the clock. Oh, yeah, you got to. So half of those was, you know, it gets the clock. But I know what you mean, but I don't know what you mean. because life is easy in your world.

You know what I'm saying? Well, we want to jump to around the league. I saw your tweet about the NBA taking a week off during All-Star weekend and canceling the event. So could you please explain yourself and communicate this to our NBA fans? I just think the fans don't like anything. They're going to find something about it.

I was like, I'm like, I'm like, Like, they're going to find one thing it's not perfect, totally perfect, then they don't love it. And I'm just like, at this point now, let's just go

this shit. So y'all just be, you know what I mean? So y'all won't drive yourself crazy watching this shit, man. I want better for y'all. Because they don't like nothing that goes on. I'm like,

they're like, man, y'all need to play harder in the All-Star game. And like, I'm like, y'all just, like, that's so easy. for the y'all to say.

How about you I come up with like, why do you think the games are getting out of hand like this? Why do you think the dudes aren't like playing up to your standards? It's just like, like, nobody giving me a solution on that. It's just a bunch of, it's just a bunch of complaining and ideas of how to change the whole fabric of the game. It's like, oh, we should change the, like, shorten the three point line or, I mean, take away the three point, the corner three or like, y'all should be limited to shooting

253s the game. I'm just like, man, stop the game. So that was my whole thing. It's like, man, let's just get rid of the All-Star weekend so the fans can be happy. So they could be happy. So they could be finally to be happy about something. It's getting out of hand, man. I think fans and media has as much impact on the state of the game today than anybody.

That's the underrated part. It's kind of taboo to talk about the fans or criticize the fans. It's just, we pay our hard on money. we basically fund y'all whole operation so y'all can't say shit about us and I'm like you know what y'all have a huge impact on what we do right so how can we not say

how can y'all not be a factor to why shit is going bad when shit going back it's all on the people inside the league but when shit going well the fans want to take credit for how much they come to the games and how much they watch and all of this shit but when it's going bad it's like all y'all I'm out of it as a fan base it's all the players the execs the league itself

I'm like, no, y'all not going to get away with that. Y'all in this too. Y'all go up. It's a community. It's a community, right? It's going to be a community. We all fucked up. You know what I'm getting?

You can't just put it on one dude when we fuck up. But when it's all sunshine, then you want to jump in and, you know what I mean? Take some credit for it. So my whole thing is like, if you ain't got no solution, if you don't got nothing to say, man, just sit back and enjoy the game

because it's some beautiful athletes, y'all just taking for granted, because y'all are like, man, there's too many threes. And the games don't come on at the right time. There's too many commercials. Got these dudes switching teams too much. There's no more rivalries, no more fighting. What you want?

I'm getting sick of it, man. Because it's some beauty that's going on in the league, though. You look at a play. Look at the high, like, you just watch the highlights throughout the game, and you're going to see some incredible shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And you're seeing teams every year having a chance to win a chip.

like look at okayc look at cleveland it's different champions it feel like yeah right now so it's like what more do you want as a fan base that community who loves gaming that love the NBA what more do you want from that's a fact will you play in the if the league organize a one-on-one tournament for a million dollar prize winner all-star weekend would I play yeah yeah I play all right I play it's a good work I was telling Jay, I want to play too. I'm about to get a safe. Dude will play ones every day, man.

I think he ain't playing once for a million dollars. Hey, come on. I just need to know what type of one we're playing, man. I say five seconds, three spots, twos and threes, game to 15, first one to 15. Is it a series, though? Is it like a three-low-three-low first-two, you know what I mean? Is it three games?

I think it should be. I say it's point. I say it's 15 points. 15 points. So King of the Hill is all of us on the court. And one. Nah, no. I don't like that.

It's like six of us at a time playing King of the Hill. Do some type of ones, man. Listen. No, the King of the Hill was is Fugazi. No. Next up. Scor all right. No, that's not cool.

Because the dude who probably is not the nicest can get rolling. And you got one shot at defense. It's like, come on, man. You can't go to 15. My offense is my defense, too. That's too long. That's going to take forever. You got to make this.

Go to 10. Go to 10. If you're going to go 1s, you're going to have to go five seconds, or a five second shot clock to 11, two, and three. I can roll with that. 15 ain't far off, though.

15. That's a lot of points, that's like, that's like them there 21. Yeah, if you don't want to one on getting it. If you score all. Threes is five possessions. And you ain't scoring on threes. You're scoring all threes, man.

You can be tired of a hell, man. Exactly. In our last episode, we spoke about this. But who will win the one-on-one tournament? I say you. BD. said, Yonis, when you look around the landscape of the league, who you think your toughest competition would be? Man, because like BD said, you can get hot on ones, man.

Like, you can say, you can say, I can say, I can. win this, but I can also lose too, man, because, like, I didn't play ones with Jason Tatum and he didn't get cooking, making shots over every contest. I didn't play ones with, with Kyrie, and he can't miss.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I would say J.T. Kyrie, for the simple fact that I actually played against them. I would say somebody like a, like a Joel, too. I think he can get a

bucket from the I'm talking about this, straight up healthy. Man, shit. Shea, I think Shay will be tough. Damn, she would be tough in the ones, especially if you're going to, like, five second clock and not like three dribbles, four dribbles. If you're going to just a shot clock,

you're going to be tough. And then I think I get put there too. Yonis D. Yonis Dunds. Yonis ones, man. I got to see how he going to approach the ones, man, because yeah, he can... Man, I already know.

I already know what he's doing. Because at one, you got to be able to shoot that. You got to be able to just shoot any time, like, fatal... He's going to straight bully you. Exactly. He's going to get as close as he can to the hoop. He's real. For real.

We got to file him the whole time. Right. I was watching Kareen play Dr. J. One-on-one. Hey, dog, I was crying. Hey, you can't, you can't stop a seven-footer. with skills. Dr. Jay had a hard time.

You, Steph, and LeBron were the U.S. heroes. Has there ever been taught of teaming together for one last Roe Show? No, sir. That wouldn't even work.

That wouldn't even work. We ain't had that combo, man. I think you got it. All right thing you're going to see what the Olympics this passed on, man. It was perfect. At a moment, I had me a little moment in that game,

Brown had more. You know what, man. It was perfect, man. That was, yeah. Maybe if they call y'all out of retirement and sign all three. And that Saudi League.

That's all the same. Yeah. Yeah. That would be killing. That would be killing. I saw you, or maybe Rich said it, but was talking about Maverick's league

that he's working on. I think Rich said you get some bump, right? I mean, I just put in so much equity with the league, the NBA, man. It would be hard to do that, right? You know what I'm saying? Or want to do that or have a desire to just pick up and just start some new shit like that, this deep. But, you know what I'm saying?

The bag is a bag, man. Especially the hoop. You never know what they could come up with, you know, when it comes to that. But I don't see it happening for me, man. I mean, I didn't put in too much work in the league. But the idea, you never know how this is going to work nowadays, man. I want to be interested to see if it grow. You kind of just spoke on this a little bit.

Obviously, we all know how much you love the game of basketball. I always tell people, I'm not sure I know many people, if anybody doesn't love the game the way you love the game from. Like, you'll go watch some second grade boys play basketball and be like, yo, you see that move he just did right here? Look at this move. It's like, bro, they're in third grade, bro. But that's how you let a game of basketball.

Everybody's talking about, like you said, knocking the product down or like changing the product. Obviously, taking corner threes away. Like, that's stupid stuff. But is there something that you suggest can improve and help grow the game further than where it is today? No, I think only the players can grow the game.

Like, you can make all these root changes all you want and the players got to be the one out there, So if guys keep adding to their skill set, you know what I'm saying from the top to bottom from point guards all the way down to the bed is keep improving their skills. So I think that's going to advance the game more than anything. And you're saying it all right. You know what I'm saying? But all of these gimmicky road changes and all of that. No, we don't need none of that.

Like players and coaches, the ones that can really push the game forward. I was going to say coaching. Coach. Coaching is the one thing that I would say could improve because when I'm watching the games and I'm watching teams, everybody play with the same style. And so you can't really get a great enjoyment of people actually doing work because there's so much luck happening. Right. And so the game is like based on luck and chance and numbers where I think if there's some coaches come with, a different approach and say, you know what, we're not going to play small ball all the time.

We're not going to shoot a gang of threes. Like, here's a big man that play in the post, and we can identify with a style and a philosophy that counteract the way the Warriors play. Our counteract the way Boston play, I think everybody's just playing the same way. And so we got to get different. Like, teams got to develop styles. I think, I think, I mean, you got to look at it, though. A lot of players are playing similar. You know, a lot of the guys go-to moves are the same. Step back, step back. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Pick and roll, float. You know what I'm saying? So, and it's a copycat league. It's been like that since the beginning. So I always go back to the players and the uniqueness of each player. Like, Yokish, this system is definitely different from the normal system. And it's simply because of how great he is.

And the Warriors still play that style. Everybody wanted to play like the Warriors, but they haven't accomplished it yet. but they play that style simply because you got, you has Clay there too, but you got Stefan Draymond, you know what I'm saying, playing that different type, that's different style of ball,

you know, but it depends on what players you got, you know what I mean? Right. They plan more of an ISO system, spread you out, driving kick system, Boston playing that way.

So, you know what I mean? It's just tailored to the players. I think more and more coaches start to understand that the tailors system around it with their best players can do. as opposed to trying to make them fit

into a certain style system. Right. Do you think that's player empowerment too, though? Like a part of like the power that players have? You think that's a part of why coaches have to do that as well? I just think it's just smart. I mean, to get the most out your best players who's going to affect the game,

I just think the simple fact is like, yeah, they start to realize, yeah, we need to build around this talent that we have because you realize it don't come around often, a job around. You know what I'm saying? You can't just draft him or Zion. or our aunt or, you know what I'm saying?

You're not going to just draft these dudes that easy. So while you got them here, you might as well make them as comfortable as they can so you can get the absolute most out of the player, you know what I'm saying? And coaches and organizations are starting to understand that. You're seeing how they building their teams now, fitting around their best players, you know. And that's what I love about the game too, that a lot of people don't speak about the evolution is how that GMs

and the front offices and the coaches are starting to be a little bit more creative on how they want to, you know what I'm saying, craft these teams. They hoarding picks. They might trade for a player in the middle of the night, and you might see an all-star on a team

that you didn't expect because they got seven picks. They're going to trade, you know what I'm saying? So they do creative shit. You know what I'm saying? To keep their assets and team building, you know, to go to that next level because it takes much more

than just a player knocking down shots to win the championship. And a lot of credit got to go to the front office and the GM and the coaching staff you want to win. No doubt, man. Hey, man, it's been great. By the way, I know you got to, you and Rich got the board room pumping. You're about to, y'all about to buy Hooters, bro?

We had to pay homage, man. You know, Hooters was that college, especially in college. We got that $2 wings, man. So I had to do. Man. I mean. All right, Peter. All right, Peter.

I was good talking hoot with y'all, bro. I appreciate y'all letting me on, man. Absolutely, man. We appreciate you, bro. Living legend. Continuing to watch you play basketball, bro. You raise the level. You keep raising the level of the game.

You are one of the guys raising the level of how long you can do this and still be at that. and man, it's an honor to watch you work. It's been an honor to watch you work. Hey, dog, you got them gray hairs now, too, now. So they're running around. Hey, that's from him trying to play me in Domino's. That's crazy. He losing to me, Slim.

You got them gray hairs, but you're still running around there, guarding the goddamn whole team. You're showing a lot, too, man. And you can find the odds, too, Doug. So I appreciate you, bro. Hey, by the way, also, You know me. I'll say something when I don't like it.

And I must always say something when I do like something. I'm not just going to say something when I don't like it. And you saying the other day that I'd be a great head coach, but I meant the world to me. And the peers say that. You know it always means more, bro. So, you know, I ain't going to just criticize you and be like, damn, Slim said he hope I get the help I need.

and not say when you throw me a bone like that or give me props like that, I appreciate him, my dog. Always, I want you to know that. Love, brother. I mean, that ain't word, too. I highlight you all, man. Appreciate you.

All right. I need you on that album, too. That next album. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to get you a number. I'm going to sell Dre to say, Drey, send me a... I connect y'all.

All right. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah, sir. Appreciate you, Slim. Sir. Appreciate you, boss. man that was so amazing having came on here bro talking

talking hoop with him also hearing how his answer about efficiency like guys do not think about the game that way this man's like I'd rather just have 29 on 12 shots and then but it makes sense though with his mind because during that time it's where you started to see KD evolve as a defender

during that time it was where you started to see him evolve as a pastor. And he's pretty much saying like, nah, not taking 22 shots is allowing me and just hit nine to my 12. It's going to allow me to do all those other things. It was dope to hear him talk about that in that way. Yeah, I think a lot of gyms are dropped. It's incredible, you know, when you have somebody that decorated and you guys spent time together sharing those moments, like to still see that chemistry exists. You see why. you know, you had that dynasty. So, you know, shout out to Kevin Durant and live in legend.

This was a dope show. I appreciate you, Big Dog. Thanks for having me. Appreciate you, my brother. Everything you brought to the show, I appreciate you. I know our listeners appreciate you because the amount of times I hear, yo, adding BT to the show is crazy. I appreciate you, my brother.

Until next time for y'all tuning in, we appreciate y'all. That's a wrap. Enjoy it. Like we did. Peace. We out. The volume.