The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis - Kevin Durant TRADED to ROCKETS?! Draymond & Baron React to NBA offseason chaos + SGA new NBA face?

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

Draymond Green and Baron Davis react to the biggest trade of the offseason — breaking down Kevin Durant’s fit with the Houston Rockets, why Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks were dealt, and what it means for the Phoenix Suns. They also dive into the business of the NBA, from players finding out they’re traded to how the second apron is forcing teams like the Boston Celtics to make big moves. Plus, thoughts on Jrue Holiday to the Portland Trail Blazers, CJ McCollum for Jordan Poole in a swap between the New Orleans Pelicans and Washington Wizards, SGA’s MVP season being capped with an NBA Finals win for the Oklahoma City Thunder over the Indiana Pacers, and what’s next for Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors. #herd #volume 0:00 Introduction 12:33 KD Trade Reaction 23:40 Reaction to Jrue Holiday Traded to the Blazers 27:26 Why the Celtics Are Making Trades Because of the 2nd Apron 30:42 Jordan Poole Being Traded to the Pelicans 35:51 Is OKC Starting a Dynasty? 40:09 SGA: The New Face of the League? 43:24 Reaction to Tyrese Haliburton's Injury 44:46 Warriors Becoming Contenders Again 51:06 Best Moment of the 2024-25 Season 53:16 NBA Draft 57:13 Copper Flagg in Dallas 59:05 Dylan Harper Heading to the Spurs 1:01:25 Bad Pre-Draft Move by Ace BaileySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gotta speak about SGA, the season that he had, one of four players to win the scoring title MVP and finals MVP. You're the number one stunter. What, or what, what? What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis. What up, my dog? How you doing, bro?

What's up, big dog? Where are you been? Where are you at? Where are you in the world? I'm back at the crib. Now I've been all over the place. I tell you what? This past weekend, I was out.

a Fanatics Fest. Crazy. Wow. Wow. I don't know how Michael pulled this stuff off that he does. You had fun? It was cool. It was incredible, man.

Like, that's, and obviously, I didn't even get the opportunity to take it in how a fan would receive it. Right. But I can imagine as a sports fan. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Wow. But, yeah, bro, now, you know, back in the gym on the court, I've been lifting this stuff and, you know, all that stuff the whole time.

But back on the court, I feel good to get back out there. Yeah. Kind of let the Knick, you know, the Knicks and Knack's Hill up after our three-and-a-half-month playoff push. Yeah. Look, if you need a practice dummy, man, you know, why are you working yourself back? if you need somebody to score on you and just, you know, keep you frustrated, keep your hunger. You're saying score on me.

That's crazy. That's crazy. Hey, that's crazy how I really feel like I can score on you at Will. Let us not forget. You threw your backout getting up off the floor. Couldn't go to the pop out. We would not forget that moment of time. That's because I was killing.

We would not forget that moment in time. I was killing before it happened, ain't that? Let's just relax ourselves. We would not forget that moment of time. Hey, if you need a practice, dummy, man, I'm here. I appreciate your generosity. In today's episode, we'll discuss the recent trades. Share our reactions just from the season, from the finals,

NBA draft. And then also with the conclusion of this season, that means I am headed into my 14th season. Crazy. Wow. Unbelievable. So we'll talk about all that stuff. But let's just get at it.

KD. was at Fanatics Fest, which we just spoke about, in the middle of an interview. when he was traded to the Houston Rockets. And there are some conspiracy theories floating around. So I must ask you, before we get into the trade, what side of the conspiracy theory do you stand on? They said KD chose for that news to come out on Sunday

because he wanted to overshadow the thunder. I personally don't think KD is that type of guy. But that's what people tried to say. No, I ain't rocking with that. Me, that's great. Man, I can't rock with that. I can't rock with the conspiracy theories. A lot of times, you know, these trades, they happen, and they just happen.

Like the desperation of the team to get it done, and then information travel fast in our sport. Right? So, Katie, the player is the last person to know that they're getting traded. Fast. Always. So him fighting out on stage and, you know, at the festival for fanatics, that could possibly be, you know, real. I mean, maybe he knew, maybe he had to just like, I mean, maybe he knew it was coming.

But at the same time, doing the interview, the fan reaction, right, and the call out from the fan, that's what I liked about the content, you know, seeing fans. and seeing how media travels so fast, you know, now the player is really the last person to know if you're not on social media. Or like a KD, you don't feel like asking your phone for two days. You're chilling. Then everybody find out, then you find out, you know,

then you find out like, damn, for real. Is it possible that we can create this situation for everyone? Like, you think about how many guys have the bad story, Harrison Barnes getting traded while on the bench to Marcus Cousins getting traded finding out he's traded in the middle of an interview after the All-Star game. Do you think that this is a way

the NBA, like should this be a requirement for the NBA, like for guys not to look stupid? You know, because those are as happy as KD was, right? Like for most, to your point, for most guys, they could find that out sitting there. on that stage and they don't know. Right. I think, I mean, I'm kind of like yes and no because part of working for a team

or part of being on team management is, you know, what if you just want to trade somebody just because you think it's a good deal? Now you got, I mean, if you're saying the first person, I think the first person that should be told is the actual player. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree with that. Because I think, you know, for most players, right, like, of course, you're not going to be in the driver's seat like Kevin Durant was. But there should be some type of system, some type of fine system like, yo, just get out before these players and this players' camp is alerted.

Like, that's an issue. You know what I'm saying? I think there should. Yeah, go ahead. I think there should be ultimately some type of guideline to be uphill, you know, that. Because it can be a great thing, right? But at the same time, like just finding out wherever your feet staying. That's crazy.

It's, it's hella gray, right? Because think about it. Like, the media is always going to find out before you that you got traded because they're the one doing all the digging, right? So soon as the trade happened, one side or the other side, I mean, obviously they should contact the player. but the player's still going to feel like he didn't know. Yeah.

Right. I remember getting traded from the Clippers to Cleveland. And Vinnie Del Nagle sat down and was like, oh, man, you know, we like what we like. We're going to sit you down. You know, don't even worry about playing. Don't worry about playing New Orleans. I'm in the locker room. And the media lady came up to me.

She was like, you know you're getting traded, right? I was like, hell no, for real. I was like, hell no, for real. It was shocking. I was shocked, right? I was shocked. So how did you react to that, though? Like, you know, I still, I still firm.

I still firm. But by the time the game was over, by the time I got to the bus, they was like, well, the train ain't happening. It ain't happening yet. I got to say, you know, I got family in New Orleans. say by to my family, get on the bus, and then now my teammates finding out, right? Uh-oh, it looked like, then we get on the plane and it happens, so I got to fly back home with the Clippers,

with Benny Del Negro, all the players on the team. So I decided that, you know, I've been quiet over here for two and a half years. I ain't really said that. I ain't really said nothing to nobody. having, you know, keeping it low key. So I just went up to each person and just kind of told them how I felt about them and how I'm going to continue to feel about them.

Some of it was love. Some of it was just like, you know, critique. But it was more so like I went really tripped. By the time I got off the plane, I wasn't really tripping anyway. Right. I was like it is what it is. But it was important for me to. kind of like get that angst off my chest because I was you know you're dealing with some

when you're not winning you're dealing with some busters and at a certain point of the league the league was shifting to like where it is now so there was going to be a conflict between what's old and what's new did they work hard for it or they entitled like we had to do all this they're not doing nothing you know and then And to your point, like the media knowing management, not really, you know, I got beef with management so it can happen at any time. They did approach me and ask me for a buyout, which I probably should have took, you know, considering the circumstances. If I look back, it wasn't as bad a deal as I thought it would be to, like, get up out of there. But, yeah, I just let everybody know how I feel, sat down with everybody, sit down with the, you know.

young dudes, like DJ, I told them, like, yeah, bro, like, you could, you could really do something, you know, like, don't get caught up and all the shit that you saw me caught up in, you know, just, just hope, you know, it's going to be different for you, you know what I'm saying. So. Question. After this happened, and you could have taken the buyout, but you didn't. Your next deal, what was your next deal you signed after this contract that you were currently thinking about taking the buyout on?

What was the next deal you signed? I think it was like this was like my, I was already like two years into my last deal. So my next deal was like a two-year deal because I was hurt. But two-year how much? Like, was it more than minimum? I don't need to do that. I think it was like around the minimum.

Okay, because the question I had was, I feel like when you do take buyouts in this, league where you say it may have been a great situation, but I feel like when you do take buyouts in this league, it's almost hard to get off the minimum from that point moving forward. Yeah, I think, well, I would have probably not been hurt, went to Charlotte, right, got a chance to get back with Jay Ridge and Stack in the East Coast.

So I'm worried about the minimum, you know what I mean? because I was still one of the illest but it was just I was playing for the clippers Okay Right and so It was hard

It was hard to wake up every day And you got to deal with so much drama Before you can actually play basketball You got to do all this talking Before you can shoot a basketball You got to do all this scouting And all this shit And it's like man can we just

like five on five one day and everybody shut the fuck up like that's how we get better right but it was just you know it was just like where you know it just wore on me it just wore on me so but I was still good and I was still

you know I can get whatever numbers at that point I can get whatever numbers I want it depending on how to flow of the game or what my perspective on the game so leaving I probably would have had a better opportunity to like I was not hurt to pick up and then take off again somewhere else right

okay but speaking of the trade by our markets all that obviously the phoenix sons has agreed on the blockbuster trade sent a 15-time NBA All-Star two-time final MVP Kevin Durant to the Houston Rockets for jalen green Dylan Brooks the number 10 picking this year's NBA draft and five second round picks. So just taking that into account. Obviously, the deal is done now.

You know, what's your take on these new look Rockets? Add Katie in, you know. Man, that was going to be my question. That was going to be my question to you. You know, I've been saying that Katie is an upgrade. When you think about what the Rockets

needed, they need efficient scoring. and what Katie brings in presence, his offensive awareness, his defensive awareness, his overall, I'm aiming to win a championship. I think it's a fair trade, right? I wanted to know how you felt

because I was analyzing your game and your series as the reason why this trade happened. Because when you look at, of Jalen Green and you look at Dylan Brooks and you say when they played well did the Rockets win? More than likely, you know, there were no more than, yeah. I'm saying no, in that series against Golden State. Oh, right? In that series.

Jalen Green had one great game, right? They won. Dylan Brooks, let's say he was as consistent. He was consistent, right? He didn't put like he had a consistent. series. Jalen Green had an up and down series, right? Yeah.

Now you start looking at who could they rely on, Van Fleek, Singone, and Thompson. Yep. And so Thompson leapfrogs. I would say that I, here's what I was saying. I know no one gives them credit. But also I thought Javari Smith was really good in that series. Yes, I thought so too. And I thought Javari Smith worked his way back from.

almost going the wrong way as the number two picked. Like, hold on. I can compete at this level. And I think he worked his way back. And we'll probably be in the star lineup of this Rockets team moving forward. And I think well deserved. So, you know, when I look at it and, you know, you mentioned those two guys that, listen, anytime you can add a Kevin Durant, it's an upgrade.

I don't care who you are as a team. Any team in the world in basketball, if you add Kevin Durant, it's an upgrade. you start speaking on, like, if you add Kevin Durant for Steph Curry. Now, those are different conversations, but if you're just, in this case, you know, or in most cases, you add Kevin Durant to the roster

is going to be an upgrade. So make no mistake about it. You know, everybody trying to make, like, these conversation pieces. It's KD. If you add him to the roster, your roster is better. Now, you talk

about, now if you want to discuss the business of basketball, then you have a different discussion when you start talking about salary and what happens with caps and all. That's a totally different question, but that's not what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is you add Katie to that team, is that team better? And where they struggled was, you know, Jalen had a very tough playoff series. You'd like to think if he had a better playoff series, they win. Who knows?

But you'd like to at least think that. Dylan Brooks was like you said, he was consistent all year. He played well. He shot the ball really well this year. Dylan Brooks is who he is. On a contract like Dylan Brooks on, you will always kind of be to throw in piece. Yeah, absolutely.

And that's just kind of the nature of the business. I don't think Dylan Brooks was traded because Dylan Brooks did anything wrong. In this situation, I think Dylan Brooks was traded because, quite honestly, that's how this business works. and your contract make the money work. They won't Kevin Durant. Your contract make the money work. And, you know, when you look at the way this team has been built,

of course they're going to trade, throw Dylan Brooks in to make that money work before they throw Jabbar Smith in. Or before they throw Tari. Like these young guys that were drafted by this general manager. Now, Jalen Green and Russ as well, he ain't going to just get rid of all the people he drafted. You know, he got rid of one. And so I think when I look at this, it's an upgrade.

KD has his familiarity with E.M.A. Udoca as a coach, I think KD. still wants to compete at a high level. And I think this team, like when you look at the rosters of everywhere we heard KD may go, this team did the least gutting of a roster that a team may have had to do in order to still make an upgrade and still keep this. roster in a good spot. So that's what I think happens for the Rockets. That's the way I think it looks for them, for KV. Talk about Phoenix, on the other hand. I think it's a little different situation.

But for the Rockets, I think it's good. Also, shout out to Freddie V. Got a new two-year-old. Yeah, shout out to Fred. Deal to stay with the Rockets. Well, designed, man. The way I saw him lead that team in the playoffs. Like, and,

They're going to need his leadership. Yeah, he proved it. They're going to need his leadership with that team. I think with Fred's demeanor and how Fred go about things and with KD and how KD go about things, I think it'll be a good match. Yeah, you get more. Exactly. Some of the stuff that Kay don't want to do and people try to make it like an indictment on K's character, no. There's just some stuff that we're all human beings and there's some, we all have strengths.

We all have weaknesses. and certain things that KD don't like to do, friend will do that. And guess what? On a basketball team and team sports, that's actually how it's supposed to work. You need that. And so, you know, I think this puts them in a really good position. I think they're obviously going to be a team to be reckoned with. You expect them going to make a big jump after the playoffs he had.

You know, expect Tyrese and all those guys that make jumps. So it'll be interesting. I think, you know, I think that team is in a really good position. and I definitely think it's an upgrade. Shout out to our boy, Franfland Fleck again. I mean, I totally agree. But let's talk about the Sons.

The Sons get Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, the 10th pick of this year's draft, correct? Yeah. And so you think about where the Sons going. What are they looking for? You know, obviously they have three dynamic guards, Jalen Green, Bradley Bill. Devin Booker, and now that team will adopt Dylan Brooks' personality, right?

Which I think can help that team, by the way. Yep. So talk to me about that. I think it's personality can help that team. When I look at this Phoenix team, I don't think they're done. You know, I think you can still expect to see them be aggressive in whatever ways that they can. If I had to guess, you know, just. having to look at the roster.

You know, but I think getting the 10th pick back is a good start. I think this drive, you can get some good value at the 10th pick. So really good value at the 10th pick. So I think that's the start. You get Dillon Brooks, whether they keep Jalen Green or whether he's an asset that you can move somewhere else. I think, you know, this is a start to what seems like, you know, I know Matt Ispia.

Matt Ispia's a spark dog. I can't ever foresee Matt just throwing the top. But what seems like a little bit of a, I won't say rebuild, but definitely a reset. I think this is the start of that, but I think I still expect to see them probably with some more movement somewhere. Because right now on the roster, it's a lot of shooting guards. I was going to say it's a lot of guards on the roster. There's a lot of guards in this draft looking at the 10th pick and thinking about a lot of teams' needs just watching OKC.

There can be some more movement, I think, from Phoenix coming along. But, you know, at Jalen Green, Devin Booker dynamic is exciting. to see. You know, I think if they can figure out what they want to do with Bradley Bill, that's going to be, you know, like we all expected before, that's going to be the key to whatever, Phoenix,

however they move forward or, you know, stay the same. But, you know, they have some opportunities. I think the draft could be something special for them if they can get one of them versatile score forwards, young forwards to, you know, not necessarily replace KD, but be someone that the fans are excited about seeing somebody young and excited and the fans are saying, want to see. But moving on, reaction to Drew Holiday, being traded to the Blazers for Anthony

Simons and second round picks. What's your thought on that? Yeah, I think it's just funny to see Drew traded back to the Blazers after the Celtics got him from the Blazers in order to help them win the championship. But in saying that, they say Drew don't want to be there. I think that was the case the first time. He was traded there as well.

But, you know, a contract situation is different. I think he had three years left on a deal. So it's kind of not up to you at this point. But we'll see what happens. But, you know, you signed the contract here is what it is. So, you know, the Blazers is going to do what's best for them. And they've made that very clear, you know. The best player in Blazer history wanted to be traded to certain places.

And he wasn't traded to those places that he wanted to be traded to. So they've shown that as a franchise, they're going to do what's best for the Blazers. And, you know, so. And it's a good pick-up. And stay tuned to see how I play out. But I think Drew can also, whether he, if he stay there, I think, you know, he can be a great asset for Chants, you know, bridging that gap between Chants and, you know,

these young guys and kind of being that coach on the floor, that veteran leader who still got game. So, you know, I think still got a way to see how it play out. But, you know, this is a team that is young and definitely rebuild. So be that it's draft night, I think that that may still shake something. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I can see that still shake him up. but, you know, the Anthony Simons with Boston for Drew.

I can understand why Boston is doing this. We can understand how he can fit in because Boston doesn't really, they need scoring, they need more scoring guards now because of, you know, one I would say Jason Tatum going down, you know, looking for scoring is their dynamic, shooting three, is their dynamic. You got another dude that can really get out, stress the floor,

catch fire. I think it works in a system. But for Drew, I think it's great for Portland. And it's great for Drew. You get to mentor, you get to hoop, you're going to be in at the end of the games.

You don't have to worry about, you know, you're going to be the closer, right? And part of that closing team for the Blazers. And you get to bring scoop along. And I like what Portland had last, year if as we get closer to see what they do I'm going to probably call Portland as my sleeper team last year or this year you know my sleeper team was Houston at the beginning of

the year you see what they did so you know Portland I've been looking at analyzing if they make a couple more moves and put a few pieces together I look at Portland as a team that can make that jump because their young dudes are talented and play hard All right, well, we're going to see us the team shape off. Free agency ain't either started. Right. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Free agency has not started and this man giving a sleeper team. This is ridiculous. What's doing here? I'm on it. You know, I'll be doing my scout, man. I got a scout. I got a scout. Play GM.

I play GM at all. Free agency ain't started. The draft is just starting. And this man is talking about who he got as a sleeper. And listen, they also, the Celtics also traded Christoszegos to the Hawks. The Celtics, listen, this is all about the second April. People said they didn't want super teams anymore. Where you have it, all these moves are being made to dodge that second apron.

For those out there that don't know what the second apron is and lame is turn for you, it's a hard cap. It is a hard cap that no owner is dealing with because the penalties are correct. You lose traffic, you lose the mid-level exception, you lose roster spots, you lose the ability to get better than compete as a team, and the amount of money that you lose is insanity. And so the Boston Celtics would have had a salary cap with luxury tax bill of $540 million. It is now at $2.80 because they got rid of those contracts. So for those that don't understand what the second apron is, as basic as I can put it for you,

it is a hard cap. And when I said this, before the deal was signed, that this is ridiculous and it's going to hurt players in the end. No one wanted to listen and everybody wanted to act like the PA was making a great deal. The PA made a shit deal, as the PA has done for years now. And every year, the pot gets bigger and the business gets better and the players get screwed more. That's just how this business works. it. And so, in saying that, back to the Boston Celtics, that's what all of these moves are about people. That's why they got rid of Prozingis. That's why they got rid of Drew Holiday.

That's why you're hearing so many people call on J. LeBron. You're hearing so many people call on Derek White. It's because they know they want to get away from that second apron tax. And Jason Tatum being out, things are up in the air. You trade for Anthony Simons. I think, listen, they're the Boston Celtics. They got to be competitive. But at the end of the day, it's an expiring deal, cap situation, all of those things. They can recalibrate, yeah. And you got Jason Tatum hurt, right?

So if I had to guess, Jalen Brown, if he had any Knicks and Knacks this year, probably won't be in the lineup because you're going to recalibrate, you're going to let your books settle, and then next year with Jason Tatum coming back, then you try to retool and start going for it again. And that's just how these things work. you'll see this all over to NBA for years to come because that's just the way this

CBA works and so you'll see this happen over and over again. That's my spill. That's the second April. That's the Boston Celtics. We ask for no more super teams. So we definitely going to get no more super teams. But we're also going to get teams that rise in the draft, do great things in free agency, and they're going to, it's going to be more broken up teams than the teams that you grow up on being like, yeah, this team has been together for five years.

That's going to be hard to do, especially, you know, having young players becoming great and getting better with that cap. The New Orleans Palick is a trade is C.J. McCullough, Kelly O'Linnick, and a future second round pick to the Washington Wizards for Jordan Poole. Sadiq Bay and the number 40 overall pick in the second round of the NBA draft. What does this trade mean for both teams? Jemar, what does it mean for the Pelicans? What this means for the Pelicans is that Jody's coming in. He's making some changes. He wanted to acquire some young talent in Jordan Poole

to see if he can still make it work with next to the Zions, you know, Tray, Herb Jones, you know, see if you can put it together with these young guys. I think, so when I look at this Pelicans, this move, you got Dejante will be coming off in Achilles injury. When I look at this Pelican move, I like it. I think when you add a talent like Jordan Poole, no, CJ is kind of who CJ is. You know, Jordan still has room for growth. I don't think we've seen the best of his growth yet.

And I think getting in an organization like New Orleans under Joe Dumas leadership, you know, with Willie Green. That's coach. I think it would be a really good situation for him. I think Washington, the first year he spent to Justin. Last year he had a really good year numbers-wise, but when you're on that team, it don't matter. And so I think, you know, when I look at this for the Pelicans, I look at this as a next. POS. You know, you didn't have to go crazy from a salary cap standpoint. I think Jordan may make

a little less than CJ or right around the same amount, you know, but yeah, I think you still got time for him to prove himself a couple more years left on his deal, two or three more years left on his deal. I think he still got time to prove himself and with some young guys who are also looking to take that next step. And so I think they become a team. that you got to watch out for in the West. They got a lot of talent. They can put it together. They're going to creep up and can possibly have a good year.

So that's what I think this moved me in for the Pelicans. The Wizards. What you got for the Wizards? I look at that trade for the Wizards. You know. I actually like it for the Wizards. Why? Because I think C.J. McCollum is what the Wizards need.

You need some veteran leadership. You need someone who can play basketball. You need someone that can talk to your young guys and get them in positions to play NBA basketball. You got a Lenick there who's like a bridge player, somebody who can come in, learn the system, be a vet. So you really trade in, you know, young energy from Poole, who is a dynamic score. but you bet on pool to be, you know, your next all-star, superstar player and leader. I think you're going to get the leadership in McCullum. You're going to get more consistency out of what do you have?

Now, I don't know how many years McCollum got on this contract, but I just like that. I like this trade in favor of CJ, and then I also think for Washington it's a good move to start some, your organization with some veterans around, especially the young guys you have, because they're going to take some time to develop, or if they develop properly,

they can skyrocket over half a season with their talent. No doubt. No doubt. I think what we're starting to see more teams went so far left with the youth movement that they're realizing that, no, you can go young, but you've got to have some veteran leadership in there,

or it's the blind leading the blind, and that don't know. And so I think that's what we're starting to see. you know, when you look at this OKC team, they started with all those young guys, but throughout those years they brought in Chris Pauls and different guys that has helped continue to show from a veteran leadership standpoint the way to Shea and for She to take the reins. So I think teams are starting to realize that.

I know Will Dawkins comes out of the OKC tree. And, you know, just to watch him put those veteran leaders around those young guys, I think it makes sense. I expect CJ to go in their action for an extension to extend that money. But I think overall, I think it's a good move for both groups. Yeah, it's definitely, definitely a good move. The league is starting to get a little bit more balance, and I'm excited. I think the finals created a whole new image and infrastructure of what success look like,

but also the playoffs too. 1,000%. So speaking of the playoffs, we got to congratulate OKC, winning their first NBA championship. Yep. I'm obviously familiar with how dynasties look. Obviously still with playing,

so I'm hoping they ain't started one right now. But do you think this could be the start of a dynasty in OKC and where their team is? I think dynasties are a lot harder, but I'll get into that. Do you think this is the start of one? I mean, we'll see. I have to go with the numbers.

There's going to be a different NBA champion crown next year. But does OKC have the best chance? Absolutely. If they keep this team intact and figure out, okay, if they can make a couple minor tweaks to upgrade what they got, then I would pick them as number one. I don't think Indiana is a fluke either.

I think Indiana now has some championship pedigree or finals pedigree. They'll be back too. But the dynasty part is hard in this era. It's hard as this era because at some point, like you said, they're going to be facing a hard cap. And they're going to have to be highly strategic about how they shepherd in the old than new. I agree with you. I think, like you said, the dynasties, I think it's just going to be tough, you know, right?

Like they're, like Caruso was big for this championship. Hardinstein was big. Ludeau was big. When you start paying J.W. to Max and Chet, Max or near Max. That's what I'm saying. All those guys, you start to lose. And now you're playing, got older guys playing with young guys that don't look the same, you know? Right. So, um, I think they're set up for success, uh, for sure.

But is it the start of a dynasty? Those things are hard to come by. You start talking about health. Everybody got to stay healthy. You know, that drive and will, I don't doubt that that'll go anywhere. They got some young hungry guys. But I think that can definitely play a part in it. And this CBA ain't really set up for that.

Now that the Thunder have won the title, you explain the window of opportunity for them to continue winning championships. You know, we talked a little bit about dinosaurs. What does that window for them look like? I think their best chance to win a championship is next year because you'll still have Chet and J. Dubb making rookie money, which means you're still allowed to keep your pieces. And so their best chance to win again is the following year.

Once that money kick in, everything looks different. And so when you start talking to window opportunity, look at the Houston Rockers. They won two. They haven't won one since. You know, you start talking Detroit Pissons, one, two, went 13, 13 years, 13, 14 years, one another one, 21 years, they haven't won since. Like, when you get the chance to kick that window in, you got to kick it in. We got to go ahead.

And they kick the window in now. But your best chances now because teams start building to beat you. Injuries happen, contracts happen, their best opportunity to win again is next. year and I think they should understand that. You know, that's just the way these things work. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I think we said.

We talked about that. You know, do you, if they didn't win it this year, they got the next two to three years to win one. Well, they won it this year. So now they got two years for sure, possible three. If we were set in books, right? me.

Gotcha. One thousand percent. That's exactly, that's how it boils down. Like, you're going to have to start getting rid of people. When you start getting rid of people, like, you can pluck one person from a team, and it can change the whole landscape. And so, we'll see. But that's how I break down for them.

Man, before we move on, got to speak about SGA, the season that he had. one of four players to win the scoring title MVP and finals MVP. Beautiful to see him continue to take that jump after jump after jump. And, you know, finally finishing on out. Not finishing on now because he's still got many years to go. But finish this season out. Do you think coming into next year you start talking about like, does this just make you the face of the NBA?

doesn't. I personally don't, I don't know. I think face of the NBA has happened and I know people keep talking about that, but when you look at the season he had, what else can one do? You're the number one stutter. What or what, what? The number one stutter. Like if you think about it, coming out, you know, coming off the championship,

you're going to be that summer league. you show up the summer league you number you numeral oh no baby you know started a season media day numeral uno season start numeral uno so you can carry that that pedigree um and and and he and he has a great brand he has a great brand he speaks highly of his teammates he's he he's very articulate about the game and patient with reporters so when you start things he's he's start thinking about the game and patient with reporters. So when you start thinking about are they going to have more

national games? Well, they better because he the coldest. He's the number one stunter right now. So as far as face of the league, yeah, he got it for now. In order to be the face of the league

and to carry that, they got to come and get them a back-to-back. Right? They got to start, you know, looking in the face of dynasties and being compared to the greats. I think, you know, the run that he's had with MVP, scoring title, finals MVP, you know, that's elite company.

And he got the title. Now coming back, yes, he should get all the fanfare to line. I'm like, now what are they going to do with it? If they go, if he can go back and win it again, oh, yeah, he's the face of the league. because you're the number one stutter two years in a row, right? But for right now, yeah, I would say you got to say he's the face because they're going to get way more national games,

and he can talk that talk to anybody. Most definitely. But shout out to Shay, man. Congratulations. Job, well done. It's great to see a guy put the work in and continue to climb. Wow. Job well done.

Congrats to OKC. Welcome to the table. They're in the room with you, Jay. They're in the room. You got to come on in. They are in the room. Got to love it. I also want to set out some love to Tyrese.

You had two teammates, Ted and Achilles. How hard can the team bounce back for one of your best. players get hurt? I think it's tough, man. You know, we obviously has Clay go down. KD went down, but he left. Same year, Steph went down. Like, it's tough.

You're not winning without your best player in this league. You can put together a decent season, but it ain't happening. But, man, I do send my love and well-witish to Tyrese, though, just on the speedy recovery, leaving it all out there on the floor. You know, these kids are. These calf to Achilles injuries are tricky, man. I put on my threads, as soon as it happened, like, man, that looked too familiar.

Yeah. NBA finals, elimination game, got to get the cooking, cooking. Cooking. KD. got the cooking. Like, it just looked too familiar. KATHLEEN. Oh, my gosh. And so, man, I just wish you well in a speedy recovery.

Oh, my God. That sucks, man. But I'll tell you what, it does. When you look at the Indiana Pacea's about to go into the tax for the first time, it'll be interesting to see if they change their tune because you got highly out for a whole year now. Yeah. More than likely. So, man, you just want injury from everything changing, man.

Totally, totally, man. I went down. I was, I damn there wanted to cry for my bro because. you know, to not get a chance to finish is heartbreaking, and he deserved it. He fought to a game seven. He fought with an injury. We talked about it on this show that playing with that calf muscle was going to be risky.

Remember, we talked about if he can show up and give us a Willis Reed. He did that game six, 23 years ago. That was a little bit more. But coming into game seven, it's like you forget that that that, The way you feel going into a game seven, you feel so much better. Yeah. But you're not so much better. You're still the same.

Right. It's more damage, if anything. Yeah. Still the same. When I say still the same, I mean, you're still dealing with the same thing. You still dealing with the same thing. And a lot of times, like, you're so hype and you feel good. Like, how many times?

I can remember so many times, like, man, I feel good. And then jump and land and be like, Now, how did this happen? Right? You forget that, oh, you still injured, or you still nursing an injury. So it was tough to watch that because that young man deserved to be able to finish that game and walk off that court on his own. But he will be back.

I know that's right. He'll be back. Most definitely will. Most definitely. So shout out to Tyrese, man, and the Indiana Patriots. They had a great year, get to the NBA finals. Sucks when you get there and lose. But they had an incredible year.

So congratulations to those guys as well. Moving on. What's up, Dub Nation? We go get into this Dub Nation, man. We got some questions. What needs to happen this offseason for the Warriors to be real contenders again? I think, you know, the heavy lifting's been done. Like, we added Jimmy.

I think that was the biggest thing that needed to happen. Now we got that. Now you can tool around that. You know, our team was tool around staff. Now you know how Jimmy looks in the system. You know how Jimmy likes to play. You can also tool around that as well. So I think, you know, just locking in from that front,

understanding what we got, where we can get better, and making those pushes. You know, but free agency is tough, man. You're trying to court people and make the best offer. And you don't always know what it is, right? Like for some guys, it could be the highest dollar amount. For other guys, it could be totally different. So I think just going into it, it's just all about looking to see, like,

all right, now we know how it looks. Now we got that part figured out. Now what does it look like around that? So I think we're in a much better position handing it to this one than we were last year. Yeah, yeah, I got some. some money to play around with. Y'all got some young talent that, you know, is not taking up a lot of the salary cap.

You got to just comminga, you know, things, free agents in this class. So y'all got some work to do, but like you said, shoring up the, you know, the ox. That's what I'm going to start calling y'all. We're going to show up the onks. The ox is crazy. Also, y'all got to stop with this.

Unk stuff in my hood. My hood. Unk was a crackhead in my hood. Y'all be causing to be my uncle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't. I don't do it. I don't do it. I don't do it. Yeah, I got chill. That'll never be okay with me. Like, um. The Bay Area Oaks.

Hey, boy, you letting your hair grow back in? No, I'm about to cut it. What's going on? You all right? Hey, you're going to? Check on you? He's like, that hurt. I'm just asking the question, champ.

That's it. I just want to just wandering. Jemar. Jemar. It was eye for eye. Hey, man, look, I'm just trying to see what happened. See if my hair grow back. You know, I like them little curls.

I like to have my hair nappy. Like the little naps. I like that. You got to go to turkey. The turkey. Yeah, you got to go to turkey. For what was in Turkey? They waiting for you.

You got to go to turkey. moving right along. All right, if you can say one thing to Warriors fans right now, I'm filtered, what would it be? I don't really got nothing to say. What up, Domination? Just about the season, like, well, you know.

I ain't got no gripes. Oh, just about the season. Yeah, like, oh, like, you know, we're going to come back better. Oh, well, I ain't hyping no Dubs fans up. They know what it is. You know, they've been around. You did say that I was going to win it all. I didn't know what it could have should have a guy, but you know.

You know what I'm saying? It's all good. We're going to leave it where it's at. It's all good. I'm going to congratulate the Oklahoma City Thunder because I'm not one of them hating. You know, these guys out here be hating. I'm going to leave it that way or said. And I'm going to congratulate them guys because they are champions.

All right. So. That's where it's at. With that said, what has been your best moment or moments in the 2024, 2025 season? Best moment of the 2024-25 season? Man. When you got that buck? Huh?

When you got that buck? What don't? When you went down the leg. I forget what team it was. I think he hit a three. Then he went down alone and got a duck. He was gone crazy. Oh, man.

That's like work. You barely got, you got them home. That's light work, man. When you're moving off, no play, you know, saying no regular season plays. Not being, you know, play. I'm saying. You know, how you want to happen.

I'll be watching the game. Play's got to happen in the playoffs. Right. It really matter. Right. Right. When did you, when did you dunk on? Carolico.

In the playoffs. Everything. All right. That's the only reason it matters. Yeah. Everything happened in the world. Yeah. You know, so we ain't tripping

on that. I'm saying that's light word. What about the night night moment? When you hit your first night night night? That was fun. That was fun. That was fun. That was fun.

That was fun. That was a good one. That was fun. And then you were, No, man, I enjoyed the season, though. You know, like, I, hey, I came out of this season feeling better than I did three years ago. You know, so I think most importantly,

that, you know, that just health continuing to grow. Yeah. I think overall net positive. Now, just keep a role in the winning its championship next year, but overall net positive, man. So I'm looking forward to this next one. obviously getting the team, right, getting the roster, right, knowing what we're looking like rolling into next year.

But, you know, you know how I'm rolling then. Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know how they roll. That's the pedigree. Y'all back. Y'all back to pedigree. Absolutely.

So that's how we were rolling. But the NBA drive is currently going on. You know, NBA drive ain't one of my fondest nights. You know, use the third picks or maybe. you want to like get all hype for the draft, I think that shit don't matter. You don't. It's all about where you go, man.

I always say the draft is whatever team you go to a system, it don't matter where you, what pick you go. You just want to go to the right situation. And we've seen that countless amount of times with, you know, players in the second round. You look at, I think, you know, the story that's most relevant in my time was, Rashar Lewis, you know, being a first round pick and getting drafted in the second round, being upset, but wind up going to Seattle and wind up becoming a man.

Yeah. Faster than he would if he would have, you know, went to a Portland at the time or Indiana at the time and had to sit behind some bets. So, you know, the draft for me, it was incredible, you know, being the third pick. I didn't really know nothing about Charlotte. I didn't really know who was on the team until I got drafted. Yeah, I went to a good team. I went to a vet team, a playoff team, a team that was, you know, trying to make it into playoffs in the tough Eastern Conference.

and I got a chance my rookie year to sit on the bench, which I did not like as the number three pick because the coach told me I should be starting by mid-season. But it was cool. If I would have got drafted earlier, later, who knows what kind of system. But I went to a system where I was able to grow and then ultimately become an all-star and year three.

No doubt. No, I think, you know, I think, where you go, like you said, it's far more important. What was you at on Jeff? It all works out in the end. I was in Saginaw, the Dolly Vince Center, baby, with a terrible suit on. And how was it?

How did it go for you? Because you were supposed to be a lottery pick, right? Yeah, I wasn't necessarily going to be a lottery, but I definitely was like projected to be top 20, top 25. Yep. And, you know, to go 35th pick, it's like, dang, you see the end of that first round coming. You're like, man. So it's a great night, you know, but it was very bittersweet for me.

Was people overreacting at the party or at your event? Were more people overreacting than you? I know you were disappointed. But, like, what was the hype? And then, like, the whole, the del. I don't think anybody overreacted. I think people are all shocked. You know, you can kind of feel like the angst weighing, like, waning, like, man, like,

when this is going to happen? But I don't think anybody overreacted. Nobody made too much of it. I probably, I probably felt the most about it, you know what I'm saying? Just because I know the work that I have put in and I knew what I had to offer. And so going the second round was baffling to me. But in saying that, to get your name called. Special.

And the NBA is special. So I'm forever grateful for that moment. I hope these guys enjoy that night and then understand that tomorrow. Yeah, one guy may get an opportunity faster, but tomorrow, everybody is an equal playing field. You've got to go prove that you belong in the NBA and what you can bring to a team. No surprise. Cooper Flagg went number one in the 2025 NBA draft to the Dallas Mavericks. How does Cooper Flagg fit in?

with the Dallas Mavericks. And shout out to Kyrie signing a three-year $19 million contract. He probably won't play next year unless it's later in the season. But talk about Cooper Flagg to Dallas and what that looks like. I think Cooper Flagg to Dallas. I think Cooper Flag is lucky, man. You get a chance to go in with some great vets, some guys that's going to take some pressure off of you.

It won't just be the Cooper Flagg show, you know, so you won't have all this pressure on you. You can kind of get in where you fit in. Yeah, you still got to go be special, but you ain't got to go average 25 points on the bad team, 20 points on the bad team. Like, you get to go compete and learn from some of the best, you know. So I think that's great.

How he fits, I think it gets interesting. We all know AD down-level playing the five, Cooper Flagg, I think it's a four-man. I don't think he's a three. You got Daniel Gaffer. You got Derek Lively, you know. So how does that all play out? one thing's for certain is they're going to make sure Cooper Flag

fits into that. But how does that all play out in the end? I think we'll be interesting to watch. You know, just because at the end of the day, if Cooper Flag has to be a Ford, and someone shifts, someone else shifts. And so I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out, but, you know, I think he goes to a great situation

and also goes to a great organization. A lot of times you don't know one pick. you go to a shitty organization. He's going to a great organization. So I think I don't think he could have asked for anything better being a number one pick. Dylan Harper was also, was drafted by the San Antonio Spurs with the second pick.

Uh-oh. How do you see him fitting in there going to San Antonio? What does that look like for them now? They got two big dynamic guards that can beat you off the dribble get to the paint, can pose, find ways to score. I think he is a different dynamic than Castle. He has more, I'd say, kind of point guard features, right?

Pick and roll. Like, he's really, really good in the pick and roll. But you got a left hand, 6-4, big guard. You got a 6-4-65 big guard. like this big guard combination for the San Antonio Spurs is going to be dynamic. They're going to put a lot of pressure on the defense. And when you think about not only that, you got Deer Fox, right, as the lead guard, then you're talking about this three-guard dynamic with this young kid coming off the bench,

playing him with Castle, playing him with Deeran Fox. You got a three-guard dynamic that's going to be getting downhill and put a lot of pressure on the defense. That's a lot of fouls. That's a lot of files. So you better be ready to guard. I agree. I think, you know, that type of size and length, what San Antonio's building, I think, can be special. You know, I think Dela Harper probably walks in.

I'm not sure if he's a starter from day one because you got Fox there. you got Castle. Do they ultimately start them day one or bring him off the bench? I think that'll be decided by how he's looking summer league and going into camp. But, you know,

I think the future is bright for them. I think that's a great pick. You know, so we'll see how, we'll see how it turns out. But overall, man, San Antonio. They got guards. And they got Wimby. And they got Wimby.

They got guards. They got Wemby. And they got perimeter guys who hustle. and can finish and make some shots. All right, Ace Bailey. He was supposed to be a top three pick. He wind up going five. That's not really falling.

No. But, you know, a lot of the narrative was he is the first U.S. based player to not work out for any teams. Do you think that hurt? It's not a hurt dropping from out the top three to five. But what is your take on that? I don't necessarily think it hurt. It didn't hurt.

You went five. Whoopty fucking do. It didn't hurt that. But you're walking into the NBA with a strike. And I think that's what's most important to understand. It's like you're walking in with a question mark on character. You're walking in with a question mark on work ethic. You're walking in with a question mark on your camp.

You know what I'm saying? So my thing to him and his camp would be, understand where you are. Okay, it's fine. No big deal. You went fifth in the draft. As I said earlier in the show, that should don't matter no more. It matters for a salary and that's about it. It's now time to go play.

So be the first in the gym. Don't go into the organization causing any problems. Going to the organization knowing that there's some guys that have been there before you. You can learn from them, but I ain't saying go bow down on anybody, but know that it's some guys that know more than you that you can learn from. Go in there and be a great rookie. That don't mean don't go play great. Go be a great rookie.

Don't go in there thinking stuff going to be your way. because you already got a strike. And this league will move on from you fast. This league has moved on from the other one piece. Yeah, and just as talented, even more talented players. Absolutely. So congratulations to him. I'm not going to sit up and try to damper his night.

Yeah, let's get to work. Let's get to work. From the gutter. I love it. Let's get it. But just know what you up against and go prove everybody wrong. That's what it boils down. That's how we rocking.

Shout out to all the young fellas getting drafted. Welcome to the lead. Congratulations, all your hard work has been earned. But now the real work start. Staying in the lead is even tough. So that's how we rocking. But BD, man, it's been a great season, brother. Amazing.

Chopping it up with you, giving these analysis, the isms. It's been a lot of fun, man. No, man, I appreciate you having me. Man, this is a good, it was a good season. Just how this shit happened organically, you know, it is good to be back outside, especially back outside with my dog. Man, just keep leading. I'm here, baby.

Let's keep it going. I appreciate you. We thank you, and we thank you all, man, to the fans, the subscribers, the listeners. Incredible season. We appreciate y'all supporting the Draymond Green Show. show with Baron Davis. Until next time, that's a wrap. Peace.

Stay out.