The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis - Reaction to Pacers-Knicks, Wolves-Thunder, Kerr on Kuminga's Warriors future

Episode Date: May 24, 2025

Draymond Green and Baron Davis react to Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks losing Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals to Tyrese Haliburton's Indiana Pacers in yet another thrilling comeback in this year's NBA playoffs. Dray and Baron debate whether Karl-Anthony Towns and the Knicks can bounce back from the devastating loss, or if the Pacers have taken control of the series after the Aaron Nesmith-led fourth quarter comeback. They also discuss Draymond making First Team All-Defense, Steve Kerr's comments on Dray as a center and Jonathan Kuminga's future alongside Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler with the Golden State Warriors, and give their takes on Shai Gilgeous-Alexander's Oklahoma City Thunder taking a commanding 2-0 lead over Anthony Edwards' Minnesota Timberwolves. 2:30 - Pacers SHOCK Knicks in Game 1 17:00 - Haliburton's choke celebration  26:00 - Dray making First Team All-Defense  36:30 - Kerr on Kuminga's future 42:15 - Wolves down 0-2 to Thunder (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Herd Follow The Draymond Green Show on social media:  https://www.instagram.com/draymondshow https://x.com/DraymondShow https://www.facebook.com/people/Draymond-Green-Show https://www.tiktok.com/@draymondgreenshow Finale episode of 'Dark Side of the Ring' airs Tuesday, May 27th at 10 PM ET — only on VICE TV. Find your cable channel here: https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/channel-finder ‘Bare Knuckle Boxing' airs Saturday, May 31st at 8PM ET – only on VICE TV. Find your cable channel here: https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/channel-finderSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The volume. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green show with my brother, B.D. What's hiding in my dog? What's up, big dog? Playoffs is crazy, bro. I know you was at that game another night.

I know. Obviously, I was there. How you feeling after your Knicks tape fell off, bro? Oh, man. Defeated, depleted. You know, just kind of like punched in it. Like, you know, you get the wind knocked out of you. Mm-hmm.

When you're standing in front of somebody when you was a kid and you don't know if you're really about to fight that person, but they take off on you and give you one in the good head and back the wind out of you. You're like, oh, damn. Okay, this may be a fight. Like, how am I hit this fool back? I get my win back. But that's how I felt, bro. That's how I felt.

I think, you know, the Knicks played great for, you know, 40, five minutes of the basketball they wanted to play. The last three minutes of those 48, you know, they kind of just start unraveling. And I don't think it was the pressure of, oh, the Eastern Conference Finals or this and that. I just think that they kind of like lost focus. You know, sometimes you get up and shit is going well. You're the aggressor. And then all of a sudden, a couple of things don't.

go your way and then you get in panic mode. And that's what I think. I think the turnovers, I think the ability not to handle Indiana's pressure down the stretch. You know, we didn't show a lot of poise. That was my takeaway.

It was a gut punch, right? It was like we got the win, knocked out of us, big time, the whole city. It's tough, man. When you win a game in the playoffs, series. Like, you literally win the game and you look up

and your record has one more loss. It's one thing to get outplayed and lose the game. What I'm saying? It's one thing for the ball not to go in. All of these things happen. But when you won the game and you lose in a playoff series, I completely just give the game away.

It's hard to come back from that because, A, again, there's one thing if you're just the superior team and you lost focus, and you're like, oh, man, we're good at the end. We're about these guys. But when you're remotely close teams, you're going to have one bad game throughout the series where the ball just don't go in. And so you're fighting an uphill battle for the rest of the series

to try to make this game up. And when I look at this, at the collapse the other day, you look at Kat, you know, I watch interviews, like interviews tell you a lot. You look at Kat in the post game, he could barely get to a sentence. Him and Jaylen Brunson sat up there together. Jayland did most of the talking.

Like, you could just tell they were crushed. And you got to come back from that. Like, yep. And I just don't know. if they can recover from that gut punch. Like, in other day, series is one-oh. But all wins aren't created equal. No, for sure.

Yeah, the series is just one-oh. But now they have to fight to win the game. They also have to fight this feeling that anytime they get a lead in the rest of this series, it's going to be like, oh, man, oh, my God. Like, don't do it. Like, we can't do that again. Don't know what we did. You know, all that shit.

And so you're fighting. two now. And we were sitting up there by the Billy Jaws sign. Like, we was up there with the guy to go to, the dude that played the Oregon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We were sitting up there with him. He called. He crazy.

We were sitting up there with him. I had a bird's eye view. And one thing I noticed, and I was really shocked because you like to think that Nick's fan would want to take all of it in. Like winning in, Nate, like they want to, winning in the conference finals for the Knicks, like they want to fill every emotion they can feel throughout. And so I was shocked to see about four or five minutes to go,

a few fans leaving. Were you one of those fans that was leaving? Man, that's checked up because we are 14. We drove to the game. So we parked in the park instruction. I didn't even know there was parking in New York City. Yeah, man, it's a park construction right across the street from the garden. So me and my home, we go to the parking structure.

And if you ever been in a parking lot in New York City, it gives me anxiety. Man, they park on the side, up the ramp. I'm like, how the hell you get out of here? How do you get all these cars in here? First of all, how are they going to get all these cars out of here? So I'm thinking, like, damn, bro, we're on the fourth floor, right? it's going to take us about an hour and a half if we don't be the first people to walk out of here

and be in our car and start moving down the ramp. You know what I mean? Before everybody start coming out. About two minutes to go, we have 14. You know, he's sitting there. I'm like, damn, bro. He's like, man, he's feeling good. He had mixed family.

He's like, yeah, we got this. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, damn, I'm thinking about this parking. So we sitting there talking for like the next 30 seconds. I'm like, man, let's just shoot to the parking lot. You feel me? Let's shoot to the parking lot. So good thing I don't know where I'm going.

I was kind of disoriented. So I walked to leave. I run into JR. Swiss, he on the other side. He's like, boom. Come sit with me and Mello. I'm like, oh, man, you know, the game over, Swiss. He was like, man, come sit with us.

I go over there, sit on the floor, save us up to L.J. all the Nick alum, you know, next of you know, Indiana down eight. Right? We talk him, Indiana down five. Now, we over there panicking. No, we over there panic. You know, close out the game.

Like, come on, man. I mean, like, you know, everybody said something. Everybody, like, come on, man, shit. You know, all we got to do is protect the ball, make some free throws. And then when Halliburton hit, shot the ball. I was like, man, there's no way this shit gonna go in, right? Man, when the ball bounce, I start walking out the arena, dude. I was like, damn, it's over.

I thought he hit a three. And somebody was like, oh, it was the two. I came back. I said, Sprit. He was in two. He was like, yeah, it was two. I was like, damn. She's, the homie was already at the parking lot.

He kept mombing. He kept mom into the parking lot. I call him. I'm like, yo, where are you at? He was like, man, we beat the traffic. I'm about to pick you up. I'm like, no, dog. It's overtime.

You may need to get back in me. He's like, what? Damn. Like, you shouldn't have left that game. And it was some big Nick fans that was leaving on my side, too. I was like, who, man. I was like, how are you feeling? He was like, man, it's going to depend on how the outcome of this game.

And he left like a minute. So I don't know if that dude even made it home safe. He probably cried something. He probably cried something. Listen, bro, the energy in this city is crazy. I saw people last night. I know guys who owned different restaurants and social clubs, where they said the vibe was so crazy in the places.

Wow my God, it was crazy And then once the game ended It was just like Silence Yeah Everybody Everybody started going home Like the night was over

It's crazy Because me and Chuck was standing up there Five minutes before In the game We're like, ooh man New York City is about to be great tonight And it just fell apart I couldn't believe it.

I couldn't believe what I was watching. And now I'm so excited to go to the game tonight because as a player in these moments, one of the things that Steve talks about oftentimes in these hot pressure moments is, yo, let's make that crowd nervous. Let's go in here, 3-3, game seven. And I've obviously been in this situation

a bunch of times with Steve Kerr. let's go in here play our game let it fly we're letting it rip you open let it rip we ain't got nothing to lose like we good

we hear we already know how this is going to go and then he say let's make that crowd nervous let's put some doubt in that crowd we want to hear the angst

that you want to hear that from the crowd I'm looking forward to tonight and just seeing the angst of the crowd because if they missed them first few shots, it's going to be like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, it's going to be so much angst.

And that's what I'm here to see, man. You got to make the crowd nervous. And if I'm Indiana, I'm coming in here to make this crowd so nervous. If Indiana start the game, how they start the game, they hit like their first eight or nine shots again. Yeah, they hit a bunch of shots.

You looked up, they were up four points. I was like, man, that's not good. But if they start off hitting shots like they did in game one, I'm just telling you, that's going to be tough, BD. The NBA 82 game grind is done. Now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs, love them. They're here.

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So at some point, you got to put game one behind. You got to come out and know that you play brave basketball. You had control for 45 minutes. That's all you got to do is close. Then you got to get to Indiana and you can steal one. Because the matchups is there. I still think the Knicks have the superior matchups.

I still think that they will beat Indiana and will beat Indiana and Indiana. And, you know, the playoffs, you know, the Eastern Conference finals starts when somebody wins on the road. So I started there. Yeah, it did. It's on and cracking. Yeah, it's on and cracking. I mean, you talk about stealing one, right? That was, that was, that was, thievery at his finest, man.

What do you think about Tyrese Halliburton? He hit the Reggie Miller choke celebration. Oh, that was cold-blooded. Man. Hey, as much as I love the choke celebration, and I pray to God, the NBA don't find him. We take so many things so literal. And like, in today's damn age, you can't act like you're choking someone. And like, let's face it.

Let's face it. Come on. The guy is not really by the show somewhere. And so I hope the NBA don't find him because that's what we're paying to see. Like, you talk about entertainers being entertainers. You talk about stars being stars on the biggest stage at the Mecca. Like the stars showing up,

I pray the NBA don't find him. But I will tell you this about the choke. My favorite thing about the choke was Tyrese after the game saying, I don't know if I should have used it in game one. That was That's what I'm saying That's my favorite That's my favorite

That may come back to haunt you, kill it Oh hey I'm telling you that was my favorite part of the show He said, I don't know if I should have used it in game one But I'm here to say I think he should use it If they win in game two I think he should use it

If they win in game three Game four Game Five Yeah just be the villain Like just just lean into it at this point not because the word back down the court with reggie miller himself in the building yeah that was frankly in the building spike wasn't there spike wasn't in the building no spike wasn't in the building oh i thought spike was in the building okay that's shocking

spike wasn't i told you i listen from from where we were sitting you can see who you can see it they look like magnets yeah you could but i thought spike but to run down the court like this Man. That's ill, that's crazy. I can't believe you did. That's ill. Tyrese Halliburton made four game time or go ahead,

Phil goes in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter. That's third behind Reggie Miller with five and LeBron James with eight since 1997, the year I graduated from high school. You weren't even born yet, bro. That's crazy. Don't do me like that. I was sad. You was a young junior deacon.

Yeah, absolutely. All right. Oh, day. Still in Sunday school every Sunday. They didn't go to church. You know what I'm saying? For sure, I was still in church choir at that age. You better believe it too, bro.

You know what I'm saying? I got out to church choir, BD. We were singing, you know, Kurt Franklin there as a man. Yeah. I had the first part. There's a man. And I was almost talking it. And my family talked about me so bad.

They said, I said, there's. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. And that was the end of my, that was the end of my choir days when they talked about how I led out with the song. But yeah, I was seven at that time. That's crazy, though. We got to put you at the alto.

We got to put you in the back, the alto. They had me to lead off batter. I said the tone. It wasn't a good tone. He was done. He was done that. I remember my outfit, though. It's for Easter Sunday.

I had some new black jeans my mom had bought me in a red, number one Maryland Terrapins jersey. I don't know why. There's a football jersey. Yeah, bro. I ain't had no money like that. I didn't have no extra outfit. I had to wear the outfit to school on Monday.

Damn. I had to wear the outfit to school on Monday, BD. Damn. That was my... Damn. That was my Easter Sunday outfit. And the last name on the back of the number one Maryland Terrapin jersey, it just said Terrapins.

So that was my choir days, 97. That's what I had going on, baby. That's so a killer. Man, bro, Brunson obviously a clutch player of the year. When I'm looking at this Pacer team, though, teams all year has watched Jalen Brunson dominate the fourth quarter. And I thought Rick Carlisle did one good thing, and it was alarming to me. Rick Carlisle late in the fourth quarter and overtime start trapping Jaylor

for us. And I don't think he's seen traps all year. And one of the alarming things to me about that, BD, was you're always in game one looking for their adjustment for game two. And unfortunately for the Knicks, the paysters get to make all the adjustments that they know lost them in the game, but they were. won the game. And so I think Rick Carlisle, I was like, yeah, we're going to start blitzing in the next game.

And then, like you said, 14 turn in 11, 11 turn into 8, 8 turn to 5, 5 turn to 2. And all of a sudden, Rick Carlisle, maybe we got a chance to win this game. We're going to start blitzing now. And they started blitzed. And one of the alarming things to me was Jalen Brunson and the blitz, as soon as the trap started to conversion. He had a problem. He never looked up. Every time the blitz came, two guys, he, like, hit down.

He tried to split. Yeah, and then he threw some of the passes he jumped out of bounds. Even if you don't bliss him the whole game, if Indiana felt like they don't bliss him the whole game, I think you have to give Jalen Bronson a different coverage in the fourth quarter than you do the rest of the game. And if I'm them every fourth quarter, I'm trapping the hell out of him because O.G. and Nobie,

none of those guys have been in these positions much to take over the game down the stretch. OG had a couple game winners, and that's fine. But they haven't consistently had to make the plays down the stretch because Jaylen makes them and he's made them all year. And I want to put them guys in that position. So in the fourth quarter, I need to see a totally different game. Yeah, I think the Nakes will need to work on a price break, right? If Jalen Brunson is your primary ball handler, your primary score,

and Carlyleyn starts to trap him, you got to figure out who else can bring the ball up and settle us down. And I think putting that pressure on Jalen Brunson to try and beat two people every time and him putting that pressure on himself, right, is really, you ain't worked on a press break. You got to work on some pressure releases,

get McKell Bridges in the middle of the floor or O.G. You got to put pressure. You got to put pressure on pressure. And I think the NICS, what they did was they kind of like allowed the pressure to happen and then tried to force. that's what pressure does. It creates force.

And it forces you to do things instead of creating more pressure on their defense. If it's a two-man trap, then it should be a three-on-two on the back end. And the Knicks never, like, they never got a wide-open shot, a lay-up, a file, or even let the shot clock expire.

Right? That was my issue. We need a press break and we need to figure out a way if Jalen Brunson going to start getting double-team and trapped at the end of the game, he got to get off the rock, and then he got to get the rock back with eight, seven seconds on the shot clock. So if they double again, at least we go get a wide-open shot. Get him out the front of the defense.

Who you got winning this series? Man. I want to believe the Knicks going to win this series, but I just don't see it happening in the BD. Oh, my gosh. I want to believe they're going to win it. Pascal Seahakam played not that good. And they won this game, man, that's trouble.

Miles Turner effectively got benched. And they won game one. And, BD, that's trouble, man. I know trouble when I see it. I grew up in Saginaw like you grew up in South Central. You know trouble when you see it coming from a mile away. That's trouble, B. All right, Dove Mason.

What up? We got to start this segment by congratulating you. I ain't first team all defensive for the fifth time in your career, nine all defensive teams in the 13 year career. Bro, congratulations. Well, deserved. I also want to add in, which I have been saying all year on the podcast, Steve Kurt said at the end of the season,

he mentioned that starting U.S. Center, I think, is doable for the last 30 games like we did this year. But as you see, it takes a toll on him. One, congratulations. Appreciate it. And what do you think about those comments? Because I agree, I've been saying that all year. When Draymond Green does not have to assume all of the defensive responsibilities,

then it makes the engine turn, right? First off, thank you. For me to be on all-defense first team and look at the guys next to them, 26 years old, 23 years old, 22 years old, 22 years old. I'm sitting there looking at that like, wow, man. I remember being a young guy in the league and still seeing Tim Duncan making all defensive teams, you know what I'm saying? Like, dang, you know, he's still doing it.

And to be just finished completed year 13 and still up there with those young guys. And like, it's such an honor to be up there with those guys because I remember being that young guy. And I know that grind of like, yo, what you're striving for. And so to understand their mindset of where they are in their careers and how every day looks for them and knowing how every day looks for me and where I am in my career and to still be up there for as such an honor. And I'm excited to have five first teams is a big deal to me,

and I tell you why. That's huge. Because it's one thing to be on all defensive team. I love it. But I had the pleasure and honor of having Chris Paul as a teammate last year. and bro, I think CP got like seven first teams so it actually inspired me. I said it to CP last year.

Like, see, you got seven first teams. And so I want that, you know, and man, to be on that list is incredible. And as far as Steve, what Steve said, God bless his heart. Yeah, it was real. It was because playing the five, it's too much.

It's hard. Like, it's hard. And I'm always. always down to do it as you know, bro, like any challenge you told my way. I'll take it on the challenge. But it's hard battling every night guys who outweigh me by 60 to 80 pounds. And they... Four, four inches, five inches, seven inches taller to me.

It does take a toll. And most situations for me where I notice it take the toll, like I come out in the first half because I still got my legs. and like the J ball is fire. You know what I'm saying? Then I come on the second half where you've been battling. You can't even feel it. You can't even feel it. You know what I'm saying?

I don't think people understand the toll of and what anchoring the defense requires. Like that means every possession, I have to put myself in a position to stop a fire. You know what I'm saying? To like help stop something. It takes a lot, you know what I'm saying? But like I always say,

I'm cut out for whenever our organization need to go to it. I'm right here, let's do it. I ain't going to never complain about it. But I agree with Steve. If we can have a different start center and at some point if we need to go to that, cool. But it's a lot. And as I get older and older in this league, it becomes tougher and tougher. These guys get younger, more athletic.

And like I said, I think I'm more than capable of hanging with the young guys and athleticism. But it does take its toll. So I agree. Yeah, you need a matchup. You can't be matched up with everybody. And, you know, looking at, you know, the time now is you switching out to a one, you're switching out to Anthony Edwards, you switching out to Julius Randall, you're switching out to Nasree, you got Rudy Gober, you got to stand him up,

you got Segoon, you got Adams, you're trying to stand them up, you're trying to switch off to Jalen Greed. You know, it becomes the toll, right? Because now all you're thinking about is defense, defense, defense, defense, defense, defense. Because that's the only real energy that you have to get that rebound or to stop that picking roll. So on the offensive end, I always say this is it takes away from, you know, from you

because you are more of your offensive playmaker for the team. So if you don't feel like you can make a play, you can finish a play, you can shoot the ball to keep the defense honest, then it kind of disrupts. the offensive flow. But if you can come in and say, hey, I'm going to garden a power forward all game and then I'm going to wind up on Sagoon at the end of the game.

And it makes your job easier, right? And it makes anchoring easy, but it also save a lot of legs, your intellect, you know, and you can get more out of Jemond Graham on the offensive end. And, you know, that's what I've been saying all year. But I've been seeing it taking a toe.

That's how you feel, man? Because I can see, like, you're wearing down, right? You're wearing down because every game, you got to put some big doos around, you know what I mean? 1,000%. Now, I can feel that. So I agree.

When I look back at 2022 when we won that championship, bro, and specifically I go back to that Denver series, just about every game, we would start loony on Joker. And then I switch to Joker. And even if it's for the first six minutes, bro, again, it takes, it makes such a big difference. Even this for six minutes,

loom battle with him, and then I go battle with him. You know what I'm saying? Like, it makes all the difference in the world, so I'm definitely, I'm rolling. I think I can use that. So I love it. Congrats, my bro.

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on Jonathan Kaminga yesterday. And for our fans out there that haven't seen the statement, I'll give you some context. I think he was on with Tim Kowakami. And they were talking about JK and Steve's answer was, it's a tricky one, because Jonathan obviously is gifted

and wants to play a bigger role and wants to play more. And for me, I've been asked to win. And right now, he's not a guy who I can say I'm going to played 38 minutes with the roster that we have, Steph, Jimmy, and Draymah, and put the puzzle together that way and expect to win. And so I think, you know, when I look at that statement,

I take a couple of things away from that statement. One being, he said with this roster that we have, I'm not sure. He didn't say that John the Cominga can't play 38 minutes anywhere and be a successful player and be an impactful player and possibly reach his promise. That's not what he said. He said with this roster, I don't see how that piece fits. Now, do I agree with that?

I don't know that I necessarily agree because you just haven't seen it. And so I'm not of the mindset that something just doesn't work that you haven't had the chance to see much of. But in saying, but also in saying that I think when you look at Steve, one thing that he's shown as a coach is he's, going to make the decision that he think is best, regardless of what it comes with. We're talking about the same man, the same legend that didn't play Jason Tatum

in the Olympics and dealt with all flat that came with that. But at the end, to his point, his ultimate goal is to win, and they want to gold medal and that's what he set out to do. So here, I understand what he's

saying. I'm not, I don't necessarily agree because we just haven't seen it and seen much of it. So to actually know if it does work. But if you, JK, you got to make the best decision for you. You got to try to put yourself in the best position that you can possibly put yourself in it. And so I wouldn't get caught up into,

Steve said, this or Steve said that. I think if you're Jonathan Camiga in this moment, Steve Kerr or Steve Kerr, he's a legend, he will be a Hall of Famer. these are just the facts. And so in saying that, I'm not sure it's worth getting caught up into the, man, he said this, my next interview,

whenever that may be, I need to respond. Quite frankly, I don't think J.K. should have a next interview until after free agency, because for what? And I think in this position where J.K. has to be careful is Steve Kerr is the legend. Steve Kerr is one of the greatest coaches we've seen. J.K. can only lose here. Like he can say something back.

It can be the wrong thing, but he can only lose here. He has nothing to gain from trying to say something back, trying to respond to that, and he can only lose and hurt himself. So don't say nothing. Like, free agency is happening. You got to go into free agency, whether that's, you know, he's a restrictive free agent.

You got to figure out what's going to be. work for you, and that's going to happen anyway. So I would just say, man, Steve, Steve going to believe what he believed. And his beliefs has worked. He won four championships. So I'm not going to sit here and argue or go back and forth about his beliefs, and I don't think JK should either. But at the same time, if I'm JK and I'm in them shoes, I heard it.

I need to move accordingly, figure out what's for me. But Steve sit here and question why. He got four championships. And I remind you, last time I said that to him, I said, wow, coach, we got four of them things. He said, I ain't got four. I got nine. You got four. And so that man know how to win.

And there's no point of sitting here trying to question what he knows. It's been proven that he knows how to win. He knows what it takes to win. I think J.K. is going to be a great player. Whether he showed that with the Warriors or show that somewhere else, that's on him to figure that out, and his team to figure that out. But what's been proven is Steve Kerr know how to win,

and J.K. is an incredible talent. Those things are mutually exclusive. Both things can be true, and they cannot work together. And that happens in this league all the time. It is what it is. I wouldn't make too much of it. I don't think he should make too much of it.

I know Steve won't make too much of it. I think, J.K., you heard it. It is what it is. I'm not sure that him saying that in words is any different than, A, any conversation he's had with J.K. Or B, what you kind of thought. Anyway, so it's been said in words. It's been put in front of you.

But I don't think it's really much different than what you already thought. Just put it in words. So moving on, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Free agency is happening. You got to figure that out. You got to navigate in passing. Before we get out of here, I know we haven't talked about the OKC Minnesota series much. Obviously, Minnesota's down 02.

So to your point of a role team not winning, it just don't feel like the series is even going on. Who you got winning that series? Can Minnesota put it together? Do you think they can come back? not, how long it's taking O KC to end that series? I don't know. I just go to a quote by a legend, a young legend, Jemond Green, and he says,

Role Players do what? They play better at home. So we'll see what happens. When OKC still won in Minnesota, then that's when the series happened. That part. Until then, we got to wait to game three to see what Minnesota is really going to bring to the table.

But, you know, you look at that 13, you know, the big blowout, then they lost last night by like 13, 14 or whatnot. Can the role players be 13, 15, 16 points better? Can Anthony Edwards be 10 points better? Julius Randall, right? So they have room for improvement, but you got to go serve on your home court.

You definitely got to go home. They got to get some home cooking. You need Dante to play better. You're going to need Nasree to be better, right? Like, to your point of the road players. And I think, Minnesota is getting a little caught up in the whole Shea file bait conversation because I can see some of their reactions to Shea when he get filed, right?

Like, Ant Man throwing the ball at him in game one, Jada McDaniel is just pushing you down in the game two. I love Jada McDaniel's answer. He stood on, he said, I just, I just wanted to follow. And he ended up getting a flag on one for it. But to me, that looked like frustration. And OKC can possibly be feeding him. on that. So, you know, I think, you know, we need to see them guys

regathered, you know, recalibrate, get home, gather themselves, you know, make a couple adjustments. But the number one adjustment going to be like the stars got to play better. Like Julius had a really good game one. And I think starting, they had 20 a half time and then he didn't touch the ball the first nine minutes of the second half and it changed everything. So you're going to need those guys to be great. But it's saying that, okay, see, look like they're going to be too much for these boys.

They roll. We'll see, man, but we're going to get out of here. We'll be back. We'll talk more about these conference finals as they go. We'll see if Minnesota able to make it a series. And if you're next tape, if they can bounce back. Until next time, that's a wrap from the Draymond Green Show with my brother, Baron Davis.

Peace.