The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Steph Curry injury update, LeBron vs. Stephen A. beef, & Harden-Wade debate

Episode Date: March 29, 2025

Draymond Green and Baron Davis react to the aftermath of Jimmy Butler’s return to Miami to face the Heat and the latest injury updates on Steph Curry. They discuss the importance of practicing on the road and how Jonathan Kuminga can step up in place of Gary Payton II. The episode also features Draymond Green's trash talk with Caris LeVert during the Warriors-Hawks game, strategies for guarding Zion Williamson of the New Orleans Pelicans, and why San Antonio Spurs guard Stephon Castle is a strong Rookie of the Year contender. They touch on the ongoing beef between Stephen A. Smith of ESPN and LeBron James of the Los Angeles Lakers, debate the respect given to different eras of basketball, and ponder whether Paul George is a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Additionally, Dray and BD pick between James Harden and Dwyane Wade, speculate if Cooper Flagg could become the best player in Duke history, and react to Milwaukee Bucks head coach Doc Rivers' intriguing quote about not getting enough credit for his playoff successes. 3:45 - Intro 4:30 - Jimmy’s Miami Return 9:00 - Steph Curry Injury Update 21:00 - How Jonathan Kuminga Can Step Up 24:15 - Draymond Explains Caris LeVert Trash Talk 29:30 - Guarding Zion Williamson   31:15 - Rookie Spotlight: Stephon Castle   34:30 - Beef with Memphis Grizzlies 45:00 Stephen A. & LeBron's Drama   47:45 - Respect Each Era Debate   48:15 - Paul George: Hall of Famer?   49:30 - Harden vs. Wade 1:08:00 - Will Cooper Flagg be Duke's GOAT?   1:08:45 - Doc Rivers Credit Claim   1:09:30 - Get Well Soon: Juju Watkins & Damian Lillard 1:11:30 - Candace Parker Jersey Retirement  A bonus episode of 'Pitino: Red Storm Rising' premieres Thursday, April 3rd at 10 PM ET – only on VICE TV. Find your channel here: https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/channel-... (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Herd Follow The Draymond Green Show on social media:  https://www.instagram.com/draymondshow https://x.com/DraymondShow https://www.facebook.com/people/Draym... https://www.tiktok.com/@draymondgreen...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Didn't go its plan, as we saw. But it seemed like the environment in Miami wasn't, I mean, I wouldn't say it wasn't so tough, but, you know, you just never know going home. What was the biggest takeaway from that heat game? Because I know it was a lot of pressure for him and just a lot of pressure for y'all to want to win that game and just the way they've been playing,

it wouldn't seem, the environment wouldn't seem tough, but I want you to describe what it was like. The atmosphere was actually cool. It was actually one of the best atmospheres I've ever seen out of Miami game. You know, usually when you play in Miami to start the game, the stands are half-field, start the whole third quarter, the stands are half-field.

You know, people come back in the fourth quarter when the clubs close in the arena. That's usually how the Miami games are. People were in their seats for this game, which I found very interesting. To me, it sounded like their crowd was a little confused. It sounded like they felt like they were supposed to be booing Jimmy. But he got so much love. It's so much love there.

And so it wasn't quite the amount of booze that you thought, you know, with how the whole situation played out that there would be. But quite honestly, I don't think there should have been a million booze. because at the end of the day, Jimmy has had an opportunity to leave in free agency or go into a free agency and he decided to sign an extension and stay with the team.

Every year, people continue to ask, they're going to bring in Damien Liddler. They're going to bring in Yannis Antoompo. They're going to bring in this person. They're going to bring in that person to double down and help Jimmy take this team to a championship. That never happened.

And so at a certain point, Jimmy's in year 14, he's given them seven years of his career. At a certain point, you just got to appreciate what somebody's given and just like they move on and it is what it is. And saying that people aren't always rational and it is what it is. But I do think the environment was cool.

It wasn't one of the toughest environments, but what did not help is that they were, like, they turned into a bunch of Steph Currys out there. Like they shot 18 for 25 from 3B, BD, that's unheard of. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy numbers. And then, you know what I'm watching the game, and I'm like, damn, dude, you miss Whig.

Yeah. Right? You know, talk about how weird or just, like, playing against Wiggins. You know, he played good. He made timely shots. Same thing as we know him for with Dub Nation, you know, speak to that. It was weird. You know, you've gone to war with the guy for the last, what, five years.

and won championship, built a relationship. My kids cried when they found out Wiggs was gone because his kids and my kids have a great relationship

and they cried when they found out he was gone. I told Wiggs, I was like, man, so I saw him, obviously, right after Trey Delano

and I started, right? And I was like, Wigs, man, my kids was crying when they found out that your girls were gone.

He was like, brother, that's the only thing Amayi kept saying. It's like, wait, so I don't get to see my friends anymore. And so there's just so much more than just basketball out there. So to see a brother, your brother on the other side, it was definitely weird. Obviously, I'm pissed off.

We lost because, again, we needed to win and wanted to win. But I'm also happy to see Wade's play well. Because, again, the love that's there is bigger than just a game. You know what I'm saying? I'm happy to see him playing well, starting to find his foot him. Because I think he got so much of his career left for him. ahead of him. To see him starting to find his footing, finding his rhythm

down in, you know, in that system, I think it's great. So I was happy to see him play well, although it resulted in us in the loss. But, you'd hate to see him struggle. Yeah. No, it just felt weird, you know, seeing him do that for them

and knowing that, you know, all them shots and all the plays he making was timely. And then, man, I need a Steph Curry update. Like, what's What's to wear it on the chef? He practiced today. Full of practice.

We actually got up and down. We played a little bit, so he did that, which was great to see. He hit a couple threes right out the gate. That was beautiful to see. And then he got a full workout in after. And at one point, I watched him make like 27 in a row from the right wing. So hopefully all signs is pointing to him playing in the New Orleans game. At least that's what we hope.

There's been no official clearance given yet. But the hope is that he's, you know, obviously you go through a full practice, you go through a full workout the way he did. The most important thing now is about how you wake up feeling in the morning. And so we'll see how he wakes up feeling in the morning. But I think all signs will be pointing to him returning. And, you know, we need it because these games, we got to lock in. Hopefully, like I said, he looked good and hopefully, you know, he wake up in the morning on the right side of it. So we can get a cracker.

I like opportunities like this. Like you're coming off, you know, a tough loss in Miami, right? The road trip ain't off to the right track. And then you get a good practice here. Yes, sir. Talk about that. Like sometimes you just need to get a good practice in to be a little upset, to be mad about something to realize like, hey,

let's get this thing back on track. Then to see Steph Curry in practice. I remember that happened for us and our we believe year. Like, you know, we're on the road. We couldn't get a win. And I came back and practiced the next day. And it was just like the camaraderie, you know, like to be able to get up and down and be at full. Absolutely.

Right. And how you're leader there. Talk about that a little bit. Just the importance of practicing on the road. And then also talk about, you know, Steve Kerr says this all the time, this pelican. game is really important. And talk about the importance of the practice and tell me about the importance of this

next game against the Pelicans. The practice is really important because the reality is we haven't had any practice time. So you start to see slippage in the game. You know, teams are starting to guard us a certain way now. The teams are adjusting to Jimmy being with us and there's more film. They're starting to guard us a certain way. And we need practice time to learn how to attack the way that they're guard us, you know. But without practice time, you're kind of.

just doing everything on the fly. So to have this practice time today, it was huge. Also, like you said, coming off of, you know, losing the first two on the road, you kind of need to get back in the saddle, refocus. What is it that we're trying to accomplish? And, you know, hammer away at those things. And I think that's what we did. And so, like you said, to get up and down was good, getting out of Miami.

And, you know, just getting that good sweat and getting, you know, finding that rhythm. I think that was good. So, you know, a much needed practice. And then also, like you said, with Steph coming back on the court, you just see a different juice in everybody. Like, you know, it perks everybody up because you know the possibilities you know what lies ahead.

And so I think, you know, overall, just having him back is it changes a lot. Obviously, we know what it changes on the basketball court, but it changes the demeanor of everybody knowing that, you know, these next few games we go into will be whole, you know what I'm saying? And not missing. staff, or at least that's the hope, like I said. So, come at a good time for us. You know, off to O and two, best case would be to finish this road trip, four and two,

and if we're able to do that. It's a great road trip. This New Orleans game is so important because, shit, man, we're right there. Like, you know, the Clippers pass us to go to take the sixth spot in the West, but we're right there. Obviously, tied with the same amount of losses. They got a tough, a couple of tough games that they'll face. We still face them. So we still control our own destiny.

And that's why it's important because you want to keep yourself in the position and where you control your own destiny. It's the Pelicans team, they wouldn't beat Minnesota a week and a half ago. So in a game that they weren't expected to win. So we know they're always going to come out and play hard. They want to play spoiler. We just got to come out and play our brand of basketball, handle our business, not fuck around with the game,

and make sure we take care of our business to start building that momentum back up and make sure we finish these last 10 games strong. I like that. You know what else I like about the practice? It's practicing, like, not having the ability to practice, you make a lot of mistakes in the game trying to make counters. Facts. Right?

And so practice, if you can get a few good practices in, you make all the mistakes thinking about the counters. You get to walk through the counters. You get to move through the counters. That's what Nellie was always good about. It's like trying to get us to practice so we could. work on counters because like you said like now that jimmy is playing you're getting scouted you know it's a different it's a different warrior look so you need that practice to go back and say okay they

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and what needs to be replaced until he gets healthy. Well, I mean, hopefully he's not out for that long. Hopefully he's only out for a couple weeks, which will be ideal. If we can get him back, obviously, he's our best point of attack defender. And so, you know, that's always tough to replace.

Moses has been stepping up in that aspect, being a great point of attack defender. So he'll have to step that up another level. But GP's impact on the game, it's not just his point of attack defense. GP knows how to find a crease in defenses. He's great at finishing around the rim. He plays the dunker spot really well. He gets a lob threat for us. And so he has a huge impact.

He's a great screener for Steph. Him and Steph has a great chemistry. You know, and so that definitely, has a big impact on our team. It has a big impact on the rotations. I think there's been so much chatter about JK and what he need to do and how he need to find his lane

and this, that and the other. And what I would say with GP being out is if I'm Jonathan Cominga, forget what everybody's talking about. Forget what everybody's saying. If I'm Jonathan Caminger right now, I'm saying, GP, I want to guard the best guard when I come in the game.

I want to be the point of attack defender. I'm a hawk this guard. I'm a chain. the momentum of the game, I'm going to embrace, yes, I'm going to embrace that because we know he can score, right? Like, we know what he's capable of

on the offense van. Imagine him embracing that role and saying, I'm guarding the best defender, I'm picking up full, I'm going to work myself to exhaustion because I'm going to defend so hard. Like, that's how you win championships. And so if I'm Jonathan Kaminga,

that's my mindset. And I think he's more than capable of being that and doing that. and if he does, golly, changes everything. I've been saying that if he can take

you know, a piece of angrieness, right? He needs to be angry on the defensive end but also be able to be that bridge between you and Jimmy.

And from what I'm hearing from you is really he should be the connective tissue, the starting point, right? He should be a weak side block guy. He should be, you know, taking the challenge. And, you know, I've been saying this all years.

Kaminga takes that next level when he decides that he wants to be a defensive player to year, right? Because he has the capabilities of doing that. He also has the offense to do that. And his defense is going to be his best offense. And I think it just, it'll open up the world, the world of events for him. But before moving on to up. upcoming games.

Speaking of Kaminga, it was a clip of him and Karras Lembert. Kaminga was talking trash to each other. And then I hear you dropped the line from the top rope. You've been traded seven times.

Like, why, why does Jemond Green? You just hit him with the cootie grow. Well, number one, I didn't, I had no idea the microphone, squat my voice.

I thought I was just suddenly after free throw line buttoning and then I got to my phone and they like, they like, why you kill him like that? And I'm like, what? Like, my response to my boys, like, dang, y'all caught that? They was like, yeah, the TV caught it for sure.

I was like, dang, my bad. And you know, some of my boys in a group chat from Michigan State, they like, fuck that, he's from the other side anyway. Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple of my boys in a group chat, also went to Michigan. So then it sparks this Michigan-Mishkin-State thing in our group chat. But actually, I know Carras through one of my boys in the group chat that went to Michigan.

Carrion's a good dude, man. You know, we banter back and forth on the court. That's just what it is. That's what happens in the game. That's just fun and games. You know, we're always going to banter. But I will tell you, the reason I jumped in, I was just checking into the game, too. And I butted in because all I heard was, like, he, he looked at.

looking at Jay K. Like at the free throw line and he was like, you was this close to being trading. That's what he said. Like, you was this close to being traded.

And so that's all I heard. I didn't hear anything else that was said. All I heard was, you was this close to being traded. Which was why my response was, bro, you've been traded seven times.

Like, what you, how are you going to talk to him about almost being traded? And you'd have been traded seven times. So then Trey, and they picked it up. Trey go, hey, chill, Dre, they just talking jump, man, shit.

And then Karras goes, he'd start talking about me being trading the first. But I wasn't hearing none of that at that point. I had already went off the top rope and it was what it was. It's over. And I just took off on the court. Boom. I took off on the corner.

But apparently, J.K. must have said to him, like, something about you keep getting traded. And so then he, like, you was this close to bit. But I ain't hear all that. All I heard was, you was this close to be. And the last thing you're going to do to one of my guys. It's talk about them being this close to being.

I can't. I can't go with that. I can't go with that. But, no, I got a lot of love for Karras, man. Good dude. Yeah, shout out to Karras. We got love for you, bro. I just like the now of the league.

It's a lot of chippiness. You know, everybody talking smack to each other. Like, it's real, real conversations. And, like, you don't get a lot of that. It's getting back to this macho, macho thing. And it has to. Yeah. Yeah, don't cross my tip.

It has to. And I like what these young dudes is coming in because they're trying to claim their territory. They're trying to establish themselves. And you got, anytime you got the old with the new, it's going to create some chippiness, right? It's going to create more competitiveness. And these games have been great to watch because of that.

Yep, for sure. Real rivalry is going to be built off of this. You know, people are going to have real vendettas versus teams. And so this part of the season, somebody going to get bumped. And so it creates a lot of opportunity for rivalries. And I say for the young dudes, like, man, keep talking shit to J. J.Mond. As you should.

You know what? Keep talking. Keep talking that shit. You know? Yeah. It keeps standing up to the O'Gs because it's just going to build that competitive edge. The reason they should keep talking to me, you know why? Because I talk to every old hair when I.

I came in the league. I talked every single one of my trying to hear. None of that. I don't care what you did before I got here. Go talk to somebody else who you did that against me

because you didn't do that against me. So I don't got no respect for that. Like that's the type of time I came in on. So I respect when guys come in that type of time. And guys talking the way they're talking. You're right. That is how these different rivalries are going to be built, which is going to attack the problem

when you start talking about viewership because you need rivals when you're talking about viewership and all those things has kind of been torn down. So I'm excited as hell, man, that the league is kind of getting back to that chipping is. Referees are letting guys talk and not

calling the double tech right away. Like, that's the stuff that people want to see. Nobody want to see. Somebody say something back. Boom, double tech. Like, nobody wants to see robots play. This is real life. Yeah, we need the referees to be chaperones. They need

to be chaperones. That's that's what I say. You know, hey, hey, too close, call a foul every now and again. But let these young boys do their thing. Like, they're trying to climb up on the totem pole, and we need for that to happen. It's a pecking order in the league. It's a hierarchy in the league.

These young dudes got to see it, believing, and talk about it to themselves. Somebody got to take this crime. Somebody got to take the crowd. Can't be the king of the parking lot ever. Somebody got to take the trash talk. crowd. We got to see it right now.

The young fellas that's leading the charge now, Anthony Edwards, John Morant, them boys leading the charge. She don't say a bunch, but shake hits you with a bunch of, like, he gets you a bunch of like his, like his Instagram caption. Like, he gave you a bunch of expressions, a bunch of little subtle jobs, but like really in your face talking. Molo be talking to people. He'd be letting them know.

Molo do talk. These young boys starting to talk a little bit again. I like that. The Pelicans are the next step. You played against Zion Williams early in the season. You talked about how tough it was

the difference in his game since they traded away Brandon Ingram. And like, what's the philosophy going into a game like this playing against Zion, especially the way he's playing? He's playing great basketball. You know, he looks like he's an incredible

shape. He looks explosive. He looks as explosive as he did at Duke. That's a monster. You know what I'm saying? But he's so much more aggressive now since the trade deadline. Since he's been back in the lineup since the trade, he's so much more aggressive to get downhill. And I run

a lot of things to get him downhill. He's really pressing the issue, putting a lot of pressure on the rim. So, you know, you just, like I always say, you got to meet forceful for. Zion is going to always come very forceful. And in order to To match him, you have to meet that force with force.

If you don't, you get ran over. And that's just what it is. And so, you know, hopefully he plays tomorrow. I know he had been out the last few games since they played Minnesota. You know, I love playing against guys like Zion because they just, like, when you play against the guys, they bring the best out of you. You know what I'm saying? You know you got to bring your A game and they bring the best out of you. So I hope he plays tomorrow.

You know, like I said, I always look forward to match him. especially against these younger guys, too, because it allows you to see where you're at. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know their legs are a little different than yours these days, so it allows you to see like, all right, I'm here still, you know. You always want to take on that, want that tough challenge. I enjoy the tough challenge.

But he's been bawling, man. You got to give him his credit, and he's an incredible shape. You know, shout out to Zion. A lot of people talked a lot of shit about Zion. And, you know, he's doing the work and, you know, got himself in great shape and playing great basketball. So shout out to him. Y'all faces Spurs after the Pelicans.

Right now, Stefan Castle seems to be Rookie of the Year frontrunner. Do you think he should win Rookie of the Year? I think he should. I think I spoke about him earlier this year on the five after we played them. And I was just saying, like, yo, I think that kid going to be real.

When I look at the rookie class, he's been the most consistent all year. He's been the most consistent player all year. I think everybody else has been up and down. He's been extremely consistent. There's no one in the rookie class that's done anything that jumps off the page. And so I think, you know,

if there's no one that's done anything that jumps off the page, the next thing, except Stefan Castle has had games that jump off the page to you now. Man, he's had some crazy games for sure. But I mean, the whole body of work over the court, you know, like there was no rookie average in 20 points.

There hasn't been a dominant rookie, yeah. You haven't seen that. nonetheless, I think with his consistency, if you haven't had the dominance from someone, he has had some great games that jump off the page, but his consistency all year would make him the rookie other year. And as I said before, I think you look back at this rookie out of year,

you give this rookie other year to some other guys possibly. You look back and be like, damn, he won rookie other year? He won't. You get his rookie out of year to Stefan Castle. You're going to look back in two years like, well, he'll all-star, so I guess we got it right. So he got that potential.

He will reach that potential. We got to get it right. That's the guy. He should be rookie out of year. 1,000 percent. I think he should get it. He deserves it. Consistency showed up at All-Star weekend, performed, dunk contest,

took the second half of the season, stepped his game up, shows that he's ready for the next level, right? And he can do it at this level at a consistent basis. And we haven't seen that from, you know, a lot of rookies, especially high draft pick. rookies at all this season. And so there's been that, you know, that rookie lull or inconsistent.

Man, this dude, he really building something. And I like his brand. I like the way he play. You know, no Fox, no Wemby. Right? You got Chris Paul. You got your OG over there helping you out. So he's destined to be great. Look at the

point guards that Chris Paul mentor. They came into the league. People thought they'd be backup point guards. They end up going other places and started. Eric Blesso, Darren Collison, Dennis Schroeder. Like, these are all guards that CP at one point or another mentor, you know, and all those guys take another step. Campaign was out of the league.

Chris Paul actually saved campaign career, like taught him how to be a pro, taught him how to be a point guard. Like, Chris Paul actually saved his career. And so now you take this level of talent, 6-6, size, and he gets to learn from Chris Paul, sky's the limit for Stefan Castle. I talked about the atmosphere in Memphis is always, wow,

what happened? When did this start? I need the history to the beef with Memphis. Anytime you beat a team in the playoffs, there's some beef. And on the way to our first championship, they had Zeebo, they had Mark Gassau, they had T.A., they had Mike Conley.

We beat them in the playoffs. And we came back from down two to one to win four to two and move on and winning championship. Beef started. But it wasn't really serious then because they're, you know, them, Mark, T.A.

E. Bo, them are, oh, geez. Like, so it ain't going to be no real beef with them. But it's like, you know, it's kind of this thing brewing. You know, it's like, man, they got us. It's like, it's a little hatred coming from that fan base. But it wasn't like that with those guys

because, like I said, they, oh, geez, man. And we got so much respect for them that it was never a thing. Then they started this younger group. And when they started this younger group, they kind of start, you know, talking a lot and we play them in the playoffs again. You know, they're talking about they're going to beat us.

And rightfully so, like, you know, John and all those guys coming in. Like, they watched us growing up winning championships. And so they come in on that type of time. I get it. Again, I came in on that type of time. So I rock with it. They came in the playoffs on Villains time.

They was really on some upset. They wanted to upset, so. I think they were the higher seat that year. And, you know, we went in, we took care of business, you know. And so that's kind of where it really took off. You know, and then the one game they played whooped that trick. We danced into it. They beating our ass.

We still dancing and whooped that trick. And so it's just kind of been things that elevated it more and more as these years have gone on, that beef. I don't call it a real beef because at the end of the day, in order for it to be a real beef, it's going to require two teams to win. We beat them in a playoff. It's not as they beat us. until that happens, it's like, yeah,

it's always going to be competitive, there's always going to be a little bad blood. But until you're winning the playoffs, it means nothing. Regular season beefing. That part.

Like, y'all winning the playoffs. That's just what it is. Speaking of Memphis, I saw earlier a few days ago, Desmond Bain shoves Santiago demer, his teammate, off his feet

and to the bit on the bench during the time. Have you had a moment like that with a teammate? No, man. Like, not in public. You know, I had some moments with some teammates from my rookie year. I didn't pass one of my teammates to ball.

And he said, he said, pass the ball, you with the Oh, Jesus. I would love to know who that was. I dropped the ball and ran up on him during the game. Man. And we was running back on,

we was running back on defense and he running. But I'm running right next to him. I'm on his line. Hey, after the game, it's cracking. The game is cracking. I'll be waiting for you.

Who's the teammate? He's going to tell us the teammate. No, it was my, because it was my rookie year. And I was out of line, but, you know, you've been a real. everybody feel like they can talk to you any type of way.

And I kind of was like, bro, I'm not having it from you. You can't talk to me like that. I'll see it in the parking lot after the game. Coach was like, man, what's going on? I'm telling you, I dropped the ball. And I walked up on him and said, what did you say to me? Man, we're running back on defense. I'm running next to him.

I'm running next to him. What the hell's wrong? Hey, O.G. Hey, OG, wherever you had out there, wait a punky, because he's even scared to say your name. So whoever you are out there, OG, you hear this clip,

just know you punked BD, and I respect it. You got my utmost respect. That's my dog. I got love for it. I got all of love. I got all in love for it. Everybody crossed the line.

And you realize playing in the league, There's a certain line that you don't cross and everybody got a temperament. And for me, I think my rookie year, I was so happy go lucky when I'm in the game. And off the court, I was really playful, fun, you know, cracking jokes. A lot of times they took my kindness for weakness. And so everybody got to, hey, man, all right, I see I went a little too far. I'm not going to cross the line with that. You know, I'm not going to cross the line with that there.

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Go to vice TV.com to find your cable channel. Around the league. The biggest news around the league is the ongoing back and forth between obviously LeBron James and Stephen A. Smith. Oh man, what's your take on it now? I saw some of the things that

Stephen A said over the last day or so. I saw he put out an apology for mentioning Kobe and also kind of miss mentioning Kobe. He issued an apology for that. I don't know, man. I don't really have many takes on it. Like, it kind of is what it is. I'm kind of sick of seeing it.

I was a little baffled by Stephen A. saying that he was with a swung on Brian after he just kind of questioned me saying when you talk like that, where I'm from, you get hands put on you. And he kind of did this whole thing of like trying to use my basketball career and things that have happened on a basketball court because I'm actually really good at basketball.

ball that made it to the NBA, that he wants to try to use that to try to use it against me for my next career. I saw him doing that. And then to come out and do the very thing that you kind of tried to use against me, I thought it was a little petty. Not only petty, but like. Snarky. Snarky, but contradictory to what you just did.

You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, you've had moments before you need to not say nothing about hands, but then, you know, you start talking about swinging on someone, you know what I'm saying? So I thought Brown's Post was a lot. Conflicted. Conflicted and contradicting views on what you really trying to say. But I just remember the days when, like, media used to talk basketball. It's so all over the place now.

Here, I got the solution. After this season, we build a boxing rink back here in Slick Studios. Whoever in the media want to catch fame, put on some gloves. Then we'll have a... Then we'll have the main event, LeBron versus Stephen A. And we won't even do real boxing gloves.

We'll get the big old boxing gloves. 18 pounds. 18 pounds. Let them swing. Let them get their frustration out. Jemont Green versus Jason Whitlock. Why, why, why do you get Jason Whitlock? I don't know that dude.

Or Stephen A. Or Kendrick Perkins versus LeBron. Oh, Kendrick Perkins versus KD. That'll be hard. Everybody beefing, bro. Everybody beefing for what? But it's crazy that why all these people on LeBron, right? There's constant conversation about LeBron on the Pat McAfee show.

And, you know, you must respect each era, right? That's the whole thing. They say, you've got to respect each area. We know LeBron is big media. My question to you is, what other era would you have enjoyed playing? You know, what's crazy is people say you must respect each era, but the past eras don't respect this error.

I don't think that's true. Shit me. You don't see some of the things these guys say? Man, I think really at the baseline of it all, and here's my problem with the whole ecosystem. We don't do a good enough job of telling everybody's story. And so the eras don't really get the appreciation because the media encapsulate the error into, like, one team, two teams, three teams of story long. When you look at Michael, like, and here's the thing, you look at Michael Jordan, you look at LeBron James, there's so many dope players that played in the era of Michael Jordan that didn't win a championship.

There's a lot of dope players that you guys played against and have to go through the playoffs that don't get mentioned, only the Warriors get mentioned, you know, and rightfully so champions get mentioned. And so I think the respect from the old is really, do the young dudes fuck with us? Do they know who we are?

Because I think for our era, it was more so how can we be throwback and nostalgic. And so that's why you get a lot of hate from the older generation because they just want to be kept alive because they're alive, right? Why shouldn't they story be a part of this whole melting pot and is not just we're talking about the same shit or if we're comparing players like let's see somebody highlights, let's see somebody stats, let's have them talk about the players that they played against because one era always think that the other error is sorry until you leave the game and have an appreciation

for the talent that you had to play against each and every night? I agree with what you're saying to a certain extent, but I disagree in the fact that, no, like, these errors don't respect us. Like, I've seen several of guys talk over and over and over again, not in a positive life. Just a month and a half ago, Oscar Robinson said, I do nothing on the basketball. Yeah, I got a chance to put on the same jacket he put on.

But he said, unprompted. Like, I didn't say anything about Oscar Robinson. and I didn't say anything about players from his generation. I actually said something about players from our generation. And he then took it up on himself to completely try to lessen who I am as a basketball. And you don't have to like my game. But to say I do nothing on the basketball court, like, that's either disrespectful or dumb. Like, it's one of the two.

Like, you're either being disrespectful or you're not smart. So you pick. And I'm going to say it's disrespectful. because I'd like to believe he's smart. And so, yeah, I don't think that respect is passed down to us from the other generations, but I think people are quick to say, oh, you got to respect them because they came before?

No, I don't agree with that. I disagree with that. Here's another thing, don't be the... You absolutely have to... I'm not... I'm not going to raise me that way. Absolutely respect the people who came before you. My respect is earned.

And what you did to somebody else don't necessarily earn you respect me. No, I'm not saying from like, I'm just saying like, you know, from a player perspective, a power forward before Jemond Green was a Jemond Green type of power forward. Right. And even though you are a one of one, like there is a cloth or a shack or someone that you highly respect. that's why we respect where we come from and how we got there because if it wasn't, it don't have to be all the do's like, because I still be beefing with people.

I still don't like people. I still think people are sorry, but that's my personal opinion. Right? That's my personal opinion. But I do have respect somewhat. Exactly. You started to get real now.

You just can't tell me everybody deserves respect. That's not a fact. There are. Everybody don't serve respect. Just because you. played before me, you don't deserve respect. There are a lot of people in the club and can't everybody dance.

Facts, BD. Just because you played before me does not mean you deserve respect. I'm sorry, but God had in his plan for you to be born before me and you just deserve respect because of that? No, my mom may raise me that way. Respect is earned.

Obviously, this conversation is stemming from Braun saying that Yonis will have 250 points in the 70s. But here's my thing, though, BD. The problem I have with it is this. Everybody attacked the statement, which attacked the statement. I don't think that he would, though.

I think Yonis would have like 17 points in the 70s. I think you tripping. All right, can I tell you this? Can I give you this scenario? Yeah, sure. A dude from Greece, right? Mm-hmm. Comes to the United States in the 70s to play in the NBA

where you don't make a lot of money, Times is hard. You don't have a trainer. You got converse, right? You got converse. And you may or may not have to have some type of side job because the league ain't really paying you enough to go back to Greece and take care of your family. Now, who's going to help you back then acclimate to the United States and the NBA? Now take all those factors with the converse or whatever they,

was the flats. Hey, you're going to stop with Converts. That's my family now. You're going to be killing Converse. I love Converse. No, I love. Bro, I rock Converse. I'm just saying.

You from L.A., of course you rock Chucks. Yeah, of course I brought Chuck Taylor's, but what I'm saying is playing in Chuck Taylor's. That was the luxury shoe. Oh, you're right. Could you play in Chuck Taylor's? No. Yeah, I can't play in a lot of shoes, though.

So you can't play in the 70s, bro? All right. Now, time. Time out. Now, playing from the 70s, right? If he was Encino Man, and he transported him now into the NBA,

and he came out the ice with his Chuck Taylor's on, his ice, his ice, and he's 6-9, 45-inch bird, can only dribble with his right hand, will block everything,

dunk everything, and shoot bank shots. Listen. Now he got the trainer. Let me know when you're done, Charles Barkley. Okay, okay. God damn, Chuck. We talk about media members.

You see what you've done in this generation of media members, Chuck? He won't even let me talk. Shack, I feel your pain. Man, won't even let me get a word out. You know why he won't let me get a word out? Because in order for him to go against bronze claim that Yonnis would average 250 points,

he had to make it about it being no FaceTime in the 70s, no good shoes in the 70s, no good jobs in the 70s. He had to make it about that as opposed to just making it strictly basketball, which is the statement that was being made. The skills ain't going to translate. My point that I was actually going to make to you, Charles, is that why when people talk about basketball and Braun say something like he said,

people get up in arms as if 55 years of basketball, of basketball play did not change the skill level, did not change the fitness level, did not change the understanding of the game, did not change the nuances, did not change the offenses run, did not change how the defenses run.

55 years, within the last 55 years, all of those things have changed. Nobody said, hey, if you take Janus, put him back in the 70s, but you have to now make him a 70s basketball player. That wasn't the point.

The point was, You take Janice Antedacompo, who he is today, and he played in the 70s, he'd have 250 points. And so that's the problem that I have is Google got better with time. Facebook, MySpace went away. Facebook became this conglomerate because they saw my space mistakes. It's like, we're going to add this. We're going to do that. So everything gets better with time.

But for some reason, for some reason, when we're talking basketball, it does. don't get better with time and everything should be, everything's equal to where it was before. And that's just not the case. And so you look at where players are today. It's no disrespect to players of the 70s, but everything has changed. Everything, we don't play the same game of basketball

that they played in the 70s. There was no three point line. There was no defensive three seconds. We don't play the same game of basketball that they played. So now you take these skill sets of today and put them in that era I'm sorry, it's going to be hard for them players in the 70s. Okay, let's take a TV time out. We've got to answer these three questions

that are going on in the media right now. It's Paul George a first ballot Hall of Famer. Gilbert Arena says he is. Chandler Parsons says he isn't. I say 1,000%. Paul George got nine all-star appearances. He got several NBA appearances. He has a gold medal.

somewhere close to 20,000 points, I'm sure, if not more. I'm not sure exactly how many you got. But if you look at some of the people that are in the Hall of Fame, Paul George had better careers than him. Paul George is absolutely a first battle of hall of favor with the body of work that he has.

Are there some things you don't like about Paul George? Of course. You can say he didn't win. You could say, oh, he was a little soft. You can say whatever you want. You can say whatever you want to say. whatever you want to say, they may be valid, maybe not.

Didn't win is valid, okay? Is he soft? That's European. Some people will say yes. That's European. Don't really matter. Paul George's resume says First Ballet Hall of Fame. If you remove Paul George's name from his resume,

which then forces you to remove your fillings about Paul George, and you put his resume there and remove the feelings, remove the face, remove the name. That's the first ballot Hall of Fame resume. 18,000 plus points.

Hey, man. Get that man in his flowers. All right. Number two, James Hardin or D. Wade? Patrick Beverly. He picks Hardin over D. Wade because of longevity. Man, I played against both of them and really both of them in their prime. Like, I played Dway.

I came into the lead. They was winning championships in Miami. But in saying that, man, James Hardin's so. fucking good, bro. He's so fucking good. He's so good. The reason I'm going to pick D-Way, I'm going to pick D-Way.

He won championships, and he won championship as finals MVP carrying a team in his third year. I'm going to pick, yes, he had the diesel, of course, and diesel changed every. But I'm going to pick D-Way because of that reason. I'm going to also pick D-Way

because I think if Hardin stayed a Tugar, his career isn't necessarily what it is today. Him changing over to the point guard changed everything. Now, don't get me wrong, he still would have been an all-star, he still would have been perennial, all of those things.

But I mean, the dominance that James Harden had as a point guard, I don't think he would have had that same dominance as a two-gar. And so I think right now what's being compared is the idea that James Harden is a two because you're comparing the D-Way,

but he's not a two. James Harder's best years in the NBA, and majority of his years, he's a point guard. And so I don't really love the comparison. I think early in James' career, the comparison was there because he was the two ones. He switched to the point. He became one, nobody says it, but he

became one of the best point guards we've ever seen. And so in saying that, I just don't think the comparison is there. And that's why I'm just going to pick D. Wade, because I didn't got to go with the body of work. NBA finals, NBA finals, MVP, probably the same amount of all-stars

as James, probably the same amount of all NBAs is James obviously doesn't have what James won two MVPs right yeah something like that I mean they it measures one two whatever he won an MVP you know what I'm saying so I just think

it's not a good comparison one of the better point guards we've ever seen one's one of the better two guards we've ever seen so I don't really understand the comparison and that's why I'm going to go with D-Wa because I start picking on certain things and the three championships

got a row with that. D. Way started his career, his rookie season, as a point guard. For one year? I'm just saying. For one year, maybe two, I believe. No, he moved to the two, his second

year. James Harden started at the two, moved to the point guard. Okay. The hardest thing to do is to go from a two to a one. And then D. Way, I would say over the course of D-Way's career, and I understand what Pat Ben was saying about longevity,

D-Way played the two, the three, and the four. So he started as, you know, like one of the best swing men ever in the game. He wasn't really no four. But he played the four. Yeah, so has Clay Thompson. He played. I mean, Kevin Durant, like Paul George. All these guys have played the four at this point.

Clay Thompson has never been a four. No, no, no, no, there have been lineups where he's been the four. Clay Thompson has never been the four in any lineup. I'll see you film, but Clay Thompson has the four in some of our lineups. And he's a what? He's a shooting guard. Okay. But it's a new NBA though.

Two's played a four all the time. Thank you. But he is a. And Dway, it is, too. Shooting guard. Hey, come on, BD, that's terrible. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. De Wade has been on the court with a point guard, a shooting guard, Dway, LeBron, and Edinus Hasl. Correct? Yes. LeBron was the four. Dewey was the what? Three.

Who was the two? Or the two. It's harder to go from a two to a one. I can agree with that. This is why I go with Jeff. And then on top of that, being a system is much harder because you are the system. So you're you're somewhere in between a D-Waid and LeBron. That is the only thing that's stopping you from being LeBron or having that same type of cachet a la Dirk Nowiskey 1-1,

but we know how how tough that road in that journey was, is the Warriors, one of the most dominant teams. and then be in history. And so I look at a degree of difficulty, who has to do it on their own, right, as the system. So you have to be all cylinders and everything rest on you, as opposed to I am one of the best, complimentary, all-time greatest one of ones that could be in that category too, right?

Listen, I played against James Harden in the, like, peak of his prime, very meaningful games. Is Dwight Howard a Hall of Famer? He will be. He should be. Okay, so you're just going to act like he had Dwight Howard? Who's a Hall of Famer? You just say he did by himself. He had Dwight Howard?

No, I didn't say he did it by himself. I said he did it as the system. Yeah, but he still had great players to make that system work. Yes, absolutely, bro. Absolutely, fucking looley he did. But as the system is harder on you being the focal point of the team and of the office. Not saying that D. Wade was not the focal point of the Miami Heat,

but he was not the focal point of the Miami Heat. That was LeBron James. In 06, he wasn't? I was Shaquille O'Neal. Man, stop it. I'm a huge Shaq fan. Shaq even said, hey, man, this is his team. Shaq himself said this.

Yeah, because he was killing. Okay, so you can say what's the focal point? Because he was killing. He caught flame. He was killing. We didn't see that. Nobody saw that coming. Shack was the one getting the attention.

All right. Listen. I'll ask you this question, Biddy. As the system. The system, the system ran around Shack. So I'm going to ask you this question. Andre Aguadala was the MVP for the Golden State Warriors, but who was the system? That's all fine and Danny, but you're not about to say Andre Adela and Duane Way run in the finals was the same.

It wasn't. That's crazy. I'm not saying that. I am saying there's more pressure on Steph Curry to not get it. Apples to apples to Apples as opposed to. That ain't apples to... But I'm going to ask you this question. I'm not comparing to Adjay to DeWay.

Let me ask you this question. Go ahead. All things considered, money, accolades, you name. All things consider. Are you yourself, if you left this earth and you come back and they say, here's this resume, here's this resume. Which one do you want to be? Are you picking James Harden resume?

Are you picking DeWay and Ways resume? Any basketball player who wants to achieve greatness at the highest level is going to take the resume of the champion. But if you took away the resume and showed me the style. Oh, yeah, James is different. And said, hey, who do I? Which style? like to import myself in as an NBA player. Like, for me personally, James Harden.

Of course, James. I don't question that one bit. Like, I want to play point guard. I want to rock like James Hardin. You know, like, I like his style. I like his freedom. Not saying that if I was a shooting guard, right? If I was a shooting guard, I would pick Duane Way, right?

I like that mode. I can dunk on people, cross people. nobody can guard me, you know, MVP, like, that's going to be your mode. But in this James or D. Wade, it's like the way I look at it, resume-wise, yes, fuck yes, D-Wade is, like, you don't lose. There is no loss. No, there's no loss. Neither one of them.

I take both. Every one of them, I take both. Like, no, that's what I'm saying. Like, there's no loss. So, like, I'd just be throwing up comparisons trying to, figure out how tight of a comparison can we make to these players when you really can't compare them because their resumes are different, their games are different, their styles are different, and it's like, damn, if somebody told me I can be D. Wade, you damn skipy, I want to be D. Wade.

If somebody told me, I can be James Hardin, you damn Skippy, I want to be James Harden. And so, like, man, it's a win-win. I agree. last one. Cooper Flag will be the best player to ever come out of Duke. No. I disagree. Wholeheartedly.

I disagree. Colin Cowhurst said they've got 90 guys in the NBA. I think Cooper Flagg's going to be the best NBA player ever. Damn. Stop playing. No. Show over. Cooper Fly.

We don't need to talk about that. We want to see you do great. I disagree with that hole. I don't even think you can get Cooper Fly. flag degree to have. Beanie, before we get out of here, I got another way, what? I'm going to read a quote,

and you'll guess which head coach in the NBA made this quote. I didn't get enough credit for getting the three wins. Doc Rivers. How Craig? You know I got mad love for Doc. Come on, Doc.

As someone who's won a championship, Doc, you can't say that. Doc is one of my... I like Doc because he has a personality. But, you know, hey, man, we know. We know. We know. We know what I am.

I got mad enough for, Doc. Don't you say that shit to nobody else. Doc, if you said that to somebody else is going to get back to me, and we're going to have to talk about it, Doc. Man, BD, before we get out of here, bro, I just want to wish. Watts' own, Ju-Jew Watkins. Well, in a speedy recovery. I worked out with Ju-Ju-Ju when she was in the 10th grade.

I think I spoke about this before. And she struggled to first workout and came back the next day, ready to go. And I was like, wow, I knew she'd be special just by seeing her skill set, but then also seeing the work ethic. And to see her go through this as women's college basketball, Brightest Star.

I hate to see it. I wish her well. Sending a lot of love, her way, to her parents. I know she'll get through this, all the work that she put in. She's going to come back stronger. But want to wish Jew well, and then also want to wish Dame Dollar well. Dame's dealing with a blood clotting his calf.

And, I mean, basketball is basketball. When you start talking blood clotting, we're talking about life, you know. Just want to send my love and well-wish the Dame dollar on getting healthy and getting back. But forgetting getting back, just getting healthy because that's nothing to play with. So I want to send my love and my well-wishers to both of them. Same way, Dame. you know how I feel about you, bro. I can't wait to have you back.

You know, you're one of the Bay Area's finest, one of the league, finance, one of my favorite point guards, and one of my favorite rappers. But we know Dame is resilient. We know Dame, you know, take the proper steps. And then similar to Juju, I would say my story with Juju is more personal. Bobby or Pops and Moms, you know, those are my people. And so I've been knowing Juju since, you know,

she was in high school, almost middle school. and, you know, it's really just family love. So we're sending our love out to Juju. We know she's going to come back outside of UCLA, USC. You know, we all want to see you on the court. I think she represents L.A. L.A. HOOP, culture, everything to the fullest. And I am personally pulling for Juju to come back stronger than ever.

And, you know, at this as a part of her journey and a quest to be one of the greatest to have her doing. So get well soon, juju, get well soon. Damn darling. And lastly, before we get out of here, shout out to the legend Candace Parker. She will be getting her jersey retired by the Los Angeles Parks this year. I think that's incredible. I then look forward to

the Chicago Sky retiring her jersey after she brought a championship to our hometown. So shout out to C.P. C. P. Z. Mad love for C.P. Parker. The goats. That's my girl. Appreciate y'all for tuning in. B.D. I always appreciate

you, my brother. Let's get these wins on the road. Let's go. You already know. That's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green Show with the legend Baron Davis. Until next time. Yeah. Peace.