The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis - Thunder-Pacers Game 4 Reaction w/ Metta World Peace

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

In this episode, Metta World Peace joins Draymond and Baron Davis, where BD kicks things off with a story from the Boston AAU Tournament young Metta was in before diving into Indiana’s Game 3 win, calling it a “Detroit Pistons-type” victory and arguing the Pacers deserve superstar status if they win without one. The crew discusses Pascal Siakam’s impact, critiques Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s playoff performance, and the lack of aggression. Metta reflects on winning a title with the Lakers and shares how the Lakers signed him. They break down TJ McConnell’s hustle, exposing OKC’s lack of focus and how the Thunder aren’t ready in key areas. A fiery segment on media narratives shaping the NBA leads into Metta officially stating he wants to coach the New York Knicks. This episode blends hoops knowledge, behind-the-scenes insight, and raw playoff energy. #Volume #Herd Follow The Draymond Green Show on social media:  https://www.instagram.com/draymondshow https://x.com/DraymondShow https://www.facebook.com/people/Draymond-Green-Show https://www.tiktok.com/@draymondgreenshow Watch VICE Sports programming – only on VICE TV. Find your channel here: https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/channel-finderSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The volume. What's up, everybody. Welcome back to the Dremont Green Show. What's up, everybody. Welcome back to the Dremont Green Show with Baron Davis. We are live. We got the legend BD. What's happening?

What's happening? And we got, so there's this clip that goes around, and I see it all the time. It's this clip that go around. We're playing against the Lakers when I was a young guy in the league, maybe like my first or second year because this guy's oldest dirt now, so you know it got to be my first and second year. And there something happens. We get into it.

And I turn and it's like, it's run. It's matter. By the way, just so we're clear, I don't know whether I should, I don't know whether I should call him Ron or meta, but because I think that there's a respect level, I'm going to call him Ron. And when this thing is happening, now people go back and they play the clip, like he knew better. And it's like, I was actually so unhipped then I didn't know better.

Like, I actually would just do anything then like the person that people think I am now, I actually was then. And I was like, I didn't know any better. Like I would have did anything then. But in saying that, I would just be 100%. honest with you on this particular intro because this guy is an NBA champion. And just because you're, I used to respect NBA champions. I actually don't just respect people because they're NBA champions anymore.

But this guy in particular, I have the utmost respect for because of how he played the game, how he went about his business to be, like, you all don't know. what it is to be a superstar player in the NBA and then accept the role. I've never been a superstar in the NBA from a scoring standpoint, but I know what it means to accept the role. And so I know what those two things mean. And to be a superstar in the NBA, an average 20 plus points of game and then say like, yo, I can still average 20 plus points a game, but I'm going to actually take on this role so that I can be a champion. I got the utmost respect for that. And So BD and I are honored, lucky to have this next guest on the show.

BD, you can bring it in, but I just want you all to know how honored I am to have this next guest on the show, a guy who's won championships, a guy who go about his business, the way he go about his business. And the way we go about our business, I get it. Like people call us dumb. They call us stupid. They call us loose cannons. They say we don't know what's going on. And yet we know everything that's going on.

And so I'm honored to have this next guess. But BD., you bring it in because it just made more sense for you to bring it in, BD. A Swiss Army knife of moves, the epitome of a two-way player plus more, the heart of Queens, New York, Queensbridge, stand up. The essence of New York basketball, the legacy, Laker, future Hall of Famer, Streetball Hall of Famer, rapper, investor, but now a fun manager. I mean, there's nothing this dude can't do.

That's why I say he's a Swiss Army knife of coach. He's been a pinnacle in our game on the offensive end, the defensive end. He can get a bucket. He can stop a bucket. There's very few people in the history of the game that can move like my guy. Manor world. Peace. Yeah, it was good, baby.

Thanks for having that intro is incredible. Yo, Dr. Ma, I respect you so much. That clip that they had, once I saw that clip, I tweeted right away, I say, yo, Draymond's the illest. I respect him. He was incredible. Hey, they try to throw gas on the fire, man. Don't be trying to amp Dremont.

If Dremont ain't scared of nobody, yeah, he tried to get me in a little argument with Dremont. Hey, listen. You got to have it up, Drake. You know why I respect that the most is because I got the utmost respect for you. I got the utmost respect for you. How you did it, my dad. By the way, you win a bunch of your game.

I got the utmost respect to you, how you handle yourself, how you walk around the NBA. But when I saw the clip, I'm like, yeah, y'all taking this out of context. I wasn't scared. But here's the beautiful part about this situation is I'm not scared. He ain't scared. And in the NBA, as you know, when two people aren't scared, that's when you just move on. I'm not scared of you. You're not scared of me.

With the utmost respect, we're going to move on and go do our job. It's when you have the guys that are scared. They say wild shit because they are afraid. Yeah. It's the wolf mentality. When you're a wolf and you see a wolf, it's like, okay, I see a wolf. I'm a wolf. You're a wolf.

I'm gone about my business. You know, even when I had the issue with Ben, when Ben pushed me, he was like, why are you in fighting Ben? I said, you know, I didn't feel like fighting Ben. Ben, Ben, you know, I don't know who Ben is. Hey, who are. Listen. By the way, in that situation,

Ben's not really going to do anything to disrespect you because there's a respect level there. He pushed me hard. He pushed me, but you know it's all right. He's not that bad. He pushed you. But there was so much going on in that situation. Like, this guy's on the floor. That guy's on the floor.

This guy's fighting that guy, right? Yeah, yeah. But there's a respect level that come amongst the guys that. For sure. It's when you get the guy. And so everybody in the world will say, ah, you tried that on that guy. And it's like, no, actually,

that guy was the one to say something so wild to me that I do want to crush him, right? Like, because he don't understand the respect level that's had amongst those type of guys. And so he'll say something wild, and you're like, y'all destroy you. Like, hey, amen. Amen.

80% of that is true. 15% of that, Draymond been a slap team and slapped him again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll be seeing Draymore. I don't know you sold my tweet, and I'd be like, yo, I don't see if Draymore,

I'll do some wild shit. I'll be like, I'll tweet like, hey, young fella, you know, I might have deemed you one time,

honestly. I might have dimmed I ain't gonna lie like, yo, my God, you need to talk me. How you look in your DMs,

you probably got a deal from me. Hey, bro, we came a long way, though. We came a little white. Especially being metal. I know, man,

BD, we've known each other since 16, man. Me and Ron. Because Ron, remember you, remember the Bob? Remember?

Remember the Boston shit? Oh, yeah. High school shit, very wide. Hey, hey, he was killing. He average, like, 30, the whole turn of it. But New York didn't win no games. That's New York basketball.

That's where I'm trying to bring it back to the Knicks, man. Back then, Ron, our test was fucking murdering, bro. 30, he was getting, he had 30 old. Maybe he had like 37 on us, me, Shane. Man, you had 30 on Atlanta, but they lost every day. Hey, bro, the all-tournament team was announced, and he was chilling. Cedric Sabalo sent the house, ladies and gentlemen. Said just walked in.

So look, they was like, yo son, your son, you didn't make all tournament team. He was like, what? I didn't do what? Wait, he didn't make the all tournament. No, bro. That's like NBA voting. Well, he went down the line and he said, how did I make all tournament? I bust his ass.

I gave him 30. I buzzed his ass. I gave him 30. Hey, bro, this is during the award ceremony. Hey, bro, she was like, fuck that. They kicked the table over. I was crying outside. That is

I remember that. You got a lot of common, dude. I'm proud of both, you know, I got to say. Sorry, Boston shootout.

I respect, y'all. I don't know. You was killing. A lot of broken awards. A lot of Brooklyn awards. You was killing. That is crazy,

man. That's insane. That's funny. You're real like, man. We're kind of similar, Jayman. No,

I've, you know, like I said, before one of the guys that I have the utmost respect for. I think, so my mama raised me, and my mom would raise me like, you don't, you don't bow down to man. Like, you don't, I don't care what they've done and how great it's being. You don't bow down to men.

And so for me, personally, when I came into the NBA, everybody to me was just on like an equal playing field. Like, oh, man, like, I respect you, you're great. Like, damn, I respect you. damn, I respect the way you go about this. I respect. But that don't mean anything to me when it comes down to me doing what I got to do. And when I take a step back, though, I think there are some guys that just earned the respect

because I do know this business. I do know how this thing works. And I watch how they win about that business. And you're one of those guys for me. So I just want to say thank you for coming on the show. We appreciate you. And I want to get right into game three. Both of your reactions to game three.

They say when the series is tied, one-to-one, the team that win game three goes on to win 81% of the time. And I think when I look at this team, no one expected Indiana to win game three. They haven't won a game three all playoffs long, and yet they come in here and win game three. Just watch y'all. reaction to them taking the lead to one.

And, you know, obviously what that history is, if 81% of the time, they go on to win the series. Matter. You played in Indiana. They won that night. Give us your assessment on it. Yeah, I was at the game, you know, and I was just like, for me, I want to see them win bad because I felt like when I was here, probably should have wanted if I had kept

my head on straight. that's what I was saying. Oh, don't talk about that, Maddo. Come on now, you're killing me. Let me bring it in. And it's perfect, it's actually perfect as you on this podcast. And when I think about how you play the game, Dre. If my head was on straight, I probably would have as much

rings as you had, right? Like, I looked how you play the gay. But no matter what people say about you, you never got ejected. You never got ejected. You never got ejected in a crucial case. So you actually did have focus. You know what I'm saying? No matter what people say, but you're, you're, you're your passion is just next level, right?

So, you know, when I look at Indiana and what we could have done, and I'm looking at it now, if they win this title, it takes a whole burden off my back. It'd have been, have been 20 years, but the fans were so pissed at me for so long, we got over it. They deserved it. They felt like we should have won. They had our back.

They supported me through the brawl and all the stuff, through my immaturities and all the stuff. So now I'm sitting here at the game, you know, a half of, the burden to be off, you know, be off my back for sure if they weren't. This is a lot of problem for them so much. And they remind me of the Detroit Pistons team. This Paces team reminds me on that Detroit Pistons team, a little bit different body types. But like in terms of playing together, not making mistakes, you know, no real superstar.

Detroit became superstar. Even Dre, y'all became superstars at Golden State. You know what I'm saying? And y'all earned it. And now you see this team, like, if they win it, they should be bona fide superstars. They won a title with no real superstars, honestly. Right. That makes a lot of sense.

I mean, you got to earn your way. And I'm watching the game. And Indiana, they just don't stop. Right. Even when they was up eight and Halliburton got the deflection with 2.6 seconds on the clock. It just says something to their mentality. of we're going to finish. We're going to finish.

We're going to finish. We're going to finish. And the dynamic of their team, everybody plays defense. Even if you are not a good defender, they give every effort that they can possibly give, they give it on the defensive end. They're scrappy. They fly around. And I think OKC is running into the same problem that the New York Knicks ran into.

You cannot play this Indiana team. You can't play one-on-one basketball. Yeah, don't work. It's going to wear on. OKC to not move the ball. Every time somebody had the ball, the ball stuck. You know, and I think Indiana thrives off of that because they wear you down. So in the clutch, when you ready to go one-on-one, everybody standing around,

that's when they swarm. I agree with that 100%. I think for us personally, when we were going through that transition, we didn't necessarily understand it. But I've been fortunate enough to win four championships. I think the one thing that I come away with it is our offensive brand. And the way we play is, as great as Steph Curry is, during those times, at times we've used Steph as a decoy. And we had Steve Kerr as a coach,

who's one of the greatest coaches that ever coach in the NBA. He's comfortable enough in his own skin to use Steph as a decoy. Because when you have a Steph Curry, when you have a Kobe Bryant, when you have these type of guys, oftentimes coaches are afraid to use them as a decoy, to use them to put everybody else in the best position to win the game. And I think one of the best attributes that I've witnessed with Steve is like,

he's cool with him, he's cool with uses Steph as a decoy. And what says so much about Steph Curry as who Steph Curry is, is he's cool with being used as a decoy. He don't have the ego. When you look at us winning the championship in 2020, and that being his first NBA Finals MVP. The guy just want to win.

He don't care if the points equal out to this, if the assists equal out to this so that I can win finals MVP. He don't move that way. He just want to win the championship. And so when I look at these teams and you speak about one-on-one basketball, I know for certain that doesn't work.

We played against the Spurs. In my rookie year, we played the Spurs in the second round after we beat Denver. And when we played against them, I remember a game where Steph had like 20 points straight or 21 points straight. And I'm like, yeah, we're doing it. It was game four. We were up two to one. Possibility to go up three to one against the Spurs. We had never had any success.

That's a big deal. and Steph had like 20 points straight and not kept the coverage the exact same. And his point was, let's see him beat us. Can he beat us over the course of 48? Not can he beat us over the course of 28. Not can he beat us over the course of 38?

Can he beat us over the course of 48? And sure enough, Steph went for 18 straight, 20 straight. The moment he missed the shot San Antonio, was wrong. And so now, because we've gotten so hell-bent on watching him do what he do, letting him score the points, no one else was in rhythm. They came back, they won game four, they won game five, they won game six, they won the series in six. And so I've watched that and to your point with Shea, the one-on-one, and it's not Shea's fault, it's their offensive

system, but the one-on-one sometimes can catch up to you. And I would ask the question to run as someone who has to guard those guys, what are, and you going in, you play with Phil Jackson, who's the guy, one of the guys who talks to you? What are y'all going into in a playoff situation like that, where you got a guy like that? Because I know for us, James Hardin was that guy, right? And we played James Hardin, like, yo, he going to get 30 points in the first half, but we need to let him wear down and then we'll come back. What was it like for y'all in situations like that?

Yeah, I mean, we just trying to stick to the coverage. We played against KD the first year, and we had to switch because, you know, KD's coming off these screens. Then we had we had to switch Bynum on it. It was no, that was the best coverage and we just had to stick with it. And, you know, sometimes he had the Overs Bynum, sometimes Bynum was gotten well. But if it was Pau, we tried to keep Pau off. Bynum was moving, you know, Bynum was.

but he was moving a little bit better on the perimeter. You know, and then when Biden, maybe he was hurt or fatiged, we'll switch the coverage, but, you know, Phil, Phil was, like, really just sticking to it. And to your point on 101, you know, one of the reasons why it's so hard to go to LeBron because he's not only going one-on-one,

even though he's a great one-to-one player. When I first started planning us LeBron, what really was killing me was that he was a team player. So when he would move the ball, he would move it in the way where you had the shift. You know, he was moving it to a, to a good target where the defense was going to be all out of whack. So now only was he doing that, he was also really good, you know, as a one-on-one player.

So you can't help off him too much. Then when you're closing out to him, that's a huge problem. And like you said, you know, in terms of this game, yeah, if you're going to Rick Carl, this is Rick Carlisle's comfort zone because now the game is more physical. So if you want to play one-on-one, well, now you're just asking Rick to coach how he coached in 2004. And that's what he'd do. the game is physical, you can touch. So it ain't like you can get a clean shot off

because your arm is going to be moving right now. You see how the game is like real physical right now. Right. I mean, so they don't have to change something. Yeah, I think also, man, once again, and I say it again, you got to stick with your guns. You got to stick with your lineup. Your best lineup is your big lineup, right?

What I saw tonight was shed hungry, at the five is not an effective thing for OKC because he don't protect the paint, he don't rebound, and he doesn't roll. And in order for Shay to get to his sweet spots, you need that pick and roll with a big dude rolling to the hole so he can get to 15, 7 foot, 17 feet in his sweet spot. With Shet, you picking and popping.

And once again, if you don't have nobody feeling, the ghosts or fill in the lane that you really don't have no space and everybody can be guarded and so I'm looking at this own KC lineup by avoiding the big guy I'm voiding your big lineup and saying you never giving yourself the chance for them to adjust to you and so I favor Indiana in the series if they're going to keep trying to figure out hey we're going to go to this small lineup and think it's going to be affected like we said with the name The same thing. You cannot beat the Indiana Pacers with a small lineup because they're big.

They have big, versatile fours, three, four, four, fives. They have that versatility and they play at a certain pace where you really can't match it. So you get cross-match, you know, on your defense. And that's what I'm saying with OKC. You know, Chet, he's switching out on picks. He can't stay in front of somebody. right they shoot the three he at the top of the perimeter he's not he's not inclined to go crash the boards and so obi top in pascal siacum at the four at the five they're going to always outplay chan

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see dkng.com slash audio. So I have a question for both of y'all then. If that's the case, and I'm going to bring a different viewpoint from it for, from what y'all may have because of what the rules were. So I'm going to ask this question specifically. If that's the case and what you're saying, BD, which I agree with everything you're saying, in the world of second aprons, what the taxes are, all these things, can you then pay that guy $180 to $200 million?

because when you do that, when you look at this O KC team, when you do that, right, like you got Shay who's going to make $70 million a year, you got J. Dubb who's going to make $50 million a year, and you got Chet, who's also going to make that type of money a year. But when you do that, and under these new rules, Alice Caruso got a deal. go. Hardstein got to go. Lou Dork got to go. Can you still be successful at that level if you can't depend on him to be able to protect the rim at the five? Because that's what it creates. Well, I think, like, you get a window opportunity, you know, you get a window opportunity to put these teams together and you're right because it will look different. I was talking to somebody

today, I said, I don't think Michael Jordan ever had a team like Shea. If Michael Jordan was on this team, wow. And this is no shot at Shea, because I actually thought SGA, I said at times he's better than Michael Jordan. Actually, at times, his game is just incredible. But it's true. You lose a couple key pieces. You know, that's going to be an issue.

Whereas Rick Carlisle, if you notice, a lot of people, They don't know how to coach bigs, which is why they don't play bigs, which is why I can't wait coach because I love the coach bigs and tangooms. And then you guys at, in Golden State, you guys took advantage of a slips. You guys never passed up on a slip. There's a lot of teams that slipped there, big got mismatched. They won't pass it because they don't trust. Yeah.

They don't trust. And Indiana trust, oh, if you slip, we, we, we, Carlisle's like, Throw that ball to Thomas Bryan, right? Facts. Yeah. Facts. Which makes a big difference, I think, because you look at it a lot of time. Most coaches ain't going to tell you to throw the ball to Thomas Bryant, right?

They're going to lead Thomas Bryant open, which then, as you know, allows then Mark Dagnar to say they ain't throwing the ball to him so we don't even have to guard him. And it takes on a whole different life. Whole different life. It's a science of basketball. You always want to get the ball in the middle of the floor. Right. And if you can train your big guys to understand how to stop, catch, look, everything is wide open. And that's what Miles Turner can do.

Not only can he stop and catch, but he can shoot. Thomas Bryan can shoot. Pascal Seaccombe, he can create and make players. So can I all be tapping. So, okay. see they not they not when they hit the road men it works Indiana is science right it is science that is going to break the second wall of the of the defense where you automatically got a three on two and if you got any playmaker that's why the warriors were so great Jerry that's what

made you so great is step gets double team he automatically hitting you and it was almost like a science, right? It was almost like a science. Like, damn, I get to play three on two, three on one with people recovering. That just, that just breaks the defense back. I agree with you. Listen, here's how the wind, WD, for me. Steph Curry grabs two guys, which leaves us three on two in the backside. And then one guy's not helping off Clay Thompson. They ain't leaving Clay Thompson's body. Right. So guess what I got? A three-on-one-one on the back side.

That's what I said, yeah. Absolutely. So for me, personally, I agree with you. I agree with you wholeheartedly. When you could, that's been, and I'm sorry, Matt, that's been my thing. I was actually just sitting with PG watching this game, and PG got the Pacers winning. And I believe the Pacers can win this series. but my only thing with that is

if the Pacers don't get Pascal Seacom the ball enough, he is the one guy on their team that every possession he has the ball, he can get to the shot he's trying to get to. And secondly, not only every possession that he had a ball he can get the shot to get to, but every possession he has the ball, he's the one guy on Indiana's team,

that can create a double team, which makes the next domino fall. And so when I take a step back and I look at this series, I really like Indiana. I think Indiana can win this series. I just don't know if they will because, for instance, you watch this game tonight, they have 17 turnovers at one point.

OKC had 11, and they were down two points. So ultimately, when you get down to it and OKC play their best game and Indiana play the best game, who's winning that game? Okay, C. I mean, you know, the thing, the one thing Indiana has last year when Janus got hurt, right? I think a couple people got hurt which Indiana advanced, right? They took advantage of that. They advanced. As you have to.

As you all know. You have to take advantage of those things. Not to take the advantage of that. But what happened is they gained the experience, right? So then they in the semifinals or whatever, they gain that experience, and now they took that into this year, even though they're the same type of team, right?

They even finish in fourth place. But in the playoffs, right, as you know, they got an experience that OKC they don't got. So any chink in the armor, in the end is like, oh, we've seen this before. Yeah. We're going to take your advantage of this. Yeah.

It's knowing who you are versus still discovering who you are, right? There's no doubt when the ball needs a, when Indiana needs a player needs a shot, they know who to put the, who to get a ball to them. Halliburton, Pascal, Nemhart. Everybody else is getting in position waiting for them to make plays, right?

OKC is really two people, Jalen Williams and Shea. But with OKC, because they play such a one-on-one type of style, that ball is sticking to their hands, right? And so thinking about, you know, Indiana and what they did with Shea, he was nine for 20 tonight. I want us, I want you all to talk about just his play. Like,

what does he need to do more of, right? To get, um, okay, C over the hump. Man, I mean,

I actually don't want them to win, so I actually don't do it. I love OTC. I think she is dope. Like I said, that towns is better than MJ, but I don't want to give anything. I want to actually get the wrong information.

Like, hey, slip in your legs and go behind your back. All right, let's talk about, let's talk about heartburn. No, I got some. I got some. You got a gym? Give me a gym. Because my thing is this, as someone who comes from a system of like, you got Steph Curry. At times, Steph Curry going to be the guy and do everything that Steph Curry does.

But at times, you have to know. when to use Steph Curry against everyone else, and we're not really trying to use Steph Curry. So as someone who's lived through that, and I see what's going on in the series, I think, honestly, and I think Shay got to be more aggressive. I don't, when I watch that game tonight,

I'm like, when's Shay going to come? When is he going to do? boss. When is Shea going to do what we know Shay to do? And as someone who's been in these situations, don't get it twisted. You can hear somebody say Shay shooting too much is going to hurt them and try to lessen it a little bit. This is human nature. And when I watched that game tonight, I never felt like Shea said, I'm taking over this game.

I'm going to win this game. And do, that. And so I said all of that to say, as much as I think I come from a system of like, you move the ball, you hit the open man, and that's that. That's not their system. And so what I would say is to Shea, don't fall into the trap of the world because the media around the NBA finals is bigger than any NBA game media in the history. Don't fall into the trap of what the world is saying of like, yo, he's shooting too much, he filed big. Fuck that.

But you got to flow the game. Yeah, shoot it 35 times. Yeah, you got to go for it. It's true. It's like my rhythm, when I play with Kobe, I only got one title, but when I, during that time, you know, I had to be, I had to be the best role play I could be. So sometimes I had to shoot the shot that was in rhythm, even though I wasn't in a rhythm. I didn't feel comfortable because I don't have, I'm not taking 20 shots like I'm used to.

And on top of that, sometimes I would miss And I would have to go two or nine And then the media is like, why are you shooting? Oh, don't shoot. Then you got the arena listening to the media. And the arena's like, no, don't shoot you over. I got to shoot it. Right.

Because in flow and pal is going towards the offensive boards right now. So if his big is coming out, if I shoot it, now he got a chance to rebound it, which he's done before, right? So it's like, it's true. Now, as she, an SGA's role, same thing. You can't listen to us what other people say. You got to do what's best for your team. So in saying that, because what you must understand is,

I watch these things as a 16-year-old. And I remember, but I've always been interested in the game, right? Like what they're saying about the game. And so I remember watching you play in those final. and watching you playing those playoffs. And when you shot the three on the right wing, everybody like, why would he shoot that three? Bang.

Yeah, in real time, real time. Bang. Cabra hands. Is that, and I've heard the stories, you can correct me if I'm wrong, I've heard the stories that like, you left the arena right after that in your jersey, in your uniform and went to the spot. Is that the, is that the thing that led to the feeling of like, yeah, out of here. I don't need to shower. I don't even do anything. I'm going to this club in L.A.,

which probably was Greystone at the time. I'm going and do this right now in my uniform, because I know what that feels like. Is that the thing that led you to, like, all of those? Now, really, after game six, I got a little lifting. I want to throw that in me. I want to write the Equinox and got a little lifting because I wanted to get, I wanted to get, I wanted it of time to recover. So I got, I left the Staples, got to Equinox at about 10, 15, got a quick lifting, and then that carried over to game seven, you know what I mean, got the lifting. And then when we won, I mean, for me it was like, I felt like I would never win a title

because I was so immature. I put my team at risk of losing. I had no, I had no emotional control for a long time. So when I won it, I was like, damn, I actually won it. Like, I didn't even realize we won. until I looked at the clock. And when the clock said zero, zero, I'm like, oh, we really won. You know what I mean?

So my mind was just all over the place. And I just, you know, I always wanted one. I never really won. I didn't want more, but I always said I want one. And then, like, I was going to be happy on it. Maybe if I would have said I want two or three, maybe I got two or three. But I was really happy. And like that's time I party.

I drank the next year we came. We got sweat. We got sweat in my Dallas. Hey, that's funny. That's funny. That's funny. But, you know, I think when I take a step back and I look at those series, I'll be honest with you. This year, and I've already said this on this podcast, this year, Julius Randall completely bust my eyes. Like, nothing I can do about it.

it. I made them take shots I wanted them to take. I did the things I wanted to do. He completely bust my ass. But I'll be honest. When Steph went out of the lineup, Steve asked me to, Drayman, we need you to push the ball down the floor every time we get the ball as if we're on the fast break and somebody missed the shot. Because we need to create a advantage and we need to create mismatches. And if you just push it the way you push it, we'll create the mismatch. And then we can get the ball to someone who can take advantage of the mismatch. And so that was my whole focus in the series.

It's like, I'm just get it soon as if it go in or if we miss, I'm coming back to the bottom, get it, I'm going to push. We'll figure it out after. And I will say to you, I haven't said this. to anyone in the world, but they don't know it now. When Steph went out, it was like, oh, I need to push the ball like that and I need to score. And in my career, I haven't really been in that situation much where like I need to push the ball, I need to anchor the defense, and I need to score.

And so when we got into that situation, I could push the ball, I could anchor the defense, or I could push the ball, I could score, anchoring the defense was a little tougher, right? Like those things played a part into who I was. How did you go about being Ron Artes, who scored 20 points a game, 22 points a game in the NBA, to Metal World Peace,

who may score eight points or may score four points, but I'm gonna lock your guy up. I'm gonna bring that physicality. Because to me, it's the first time in my career, actually, where I had to, like, do all of those things. And it was... It was difficult. Look at what happened to us.

It was impossible. It was difficult, like, to go... Imagine in your prom, contract, yeah. You're in your prime, and that's what was, really difficult. It's like, you know, I'm like, damn, I can't really show nothing. There's no room. Like, so I said, you know what? I'm a role player for the rest of my career. I got to hear people say, how am I getting old from year prior? I was averaging 25 in the

playoffs. And then I got worse than six months, how hard I was. I didn't get worse than six months. People are like, he old. And I'm like, damn, I can't even back myself up. But I can't. I can't. And you got Kobe. Kobe, like, I don't care what they're saying. Bring that ball to me. Meadow in that corner. And you stayed there. But it was tough.

But you know what? I was like, you know, that was the toughest experience I had. And I said, you know, I'm just going to be the best role player. And I was actually, I learned more from that than, you know, when I had the opportunities to score. No, most definitely. Man, talk about, I always wonder. you play for Houston.

You got lost to the Lakers. They beat you. Then you wind up joining the Lakers. Did Kobe reach out to you? Like, how did it? What made you want to go to the Lakers? How did that transfer? Well, initially, I didn't want to go to the Lakers.

I never wanted to go to the Lakers. Like, I had an opportunity that people called me and, you know, whatever, I don't want to keep talking about it. But I always wanted to play against people. So I tried to go back to Nthiana. I was always trying to go back. Well, first I was trying to go back to Houston. You know, I want to get into it. I was supposed to go back to Houston. And then things happen, which is incredibly annoying. Then I said, okay, what's next? I'm always trying to think about the Nix. But then Donnie Walsh was at the Knicks at that time. So I threw a quick signal out there. That didn't work. You know, Donnie was there. We had the issues in the history in Indiana. So then I tried to go to back to Indiana. But, you know, those conversations quickly went to, it was still.

fresh of people's mind and heart. Then I tried to go to Detroit. That's what I was trying to... And then they was like, nah, we can't, you know, too much history. I said, listen, this is going to be epic. Ron Artes with an art test with a back up of Detroit jersey. I said, y'all missing the whole point.

This is legendary. They were scared. I'm like, I'm not worried about it. I got people in Detroit. I love the truth. When I go to Detroit, you know, I got people, they love me in Detroit. the fans, they go crazy in Detroit.

Like, I literally got fans in Detroit. So then that didn't happen. And then, but, but the, the first team that called me was the Lakers, the Lakers called that total of 1. I was, I was like, they called me and my age one was like, David Bowman, hey, the Lakers one speaks to you. And the first thing I said, I was like, for fucking what? That's the first thing I said to my page.

These things just beat us. I don't know. I don't even fuck these things. Right? He was like, they want to sign you. I'm like, what? The Lakers, I said, I got to call you back. I'm like, damn, like, Dr. Bus, Phil Jackson.

I'm like, this is crazy. Met with Dr. Bus that morning. We chatted. He was like, yo, I can't pay you. But what you deserve, we only got the mid. And I was like, don't even worry about it. Like, this is incredible. That's how I got to the Lakers.

That's killer. Yeah, as I got to the Liggan. That's fine. That's insane. So when I look at this game, game three, Yeah. I want to ask you two guys a question or something because, and I'll ask you to this,

both of the, both of your artists question because I think for me personally, the one thing I never want to become is I don't want to become one of these grumpy, older guys that played the game before, and I feel like I'm hating on the younger guys. I never want to become that. So in saying that, when I watch this game, when I watch these NBA finals, I'm like, yo, I don't feel like this is the level of preparation. This is the level of like doubting.

Is that like when I play it in the finals, I don't feel like they do that. And the reason I feel like, like when you look at a specific thing, I'll point to a very specific thing. of why I say that. I feel like when I was coming through the NBA finals and I had to win the NBA finals, and this could be my coach.

Again, I think my coach is the greatest effort. Maybe he not. That's for everybody else to debate, but I think my coach is the greatest coach ever. And T.J. McConnell getting a sneak back steal would never happen. Like, we're, we're, so dialed in on that one thing in this game plan that there's no way t j mccan are going to hop off

the guy he's going to to get the still and i watched him get two of those tonight and i couldn't believe it because i'm like yo this is that that's not what changed the guy this is NBA finals i like your chance is one way you can get this still in the NBA finals and you can't be on that No, and you got that still on Tuesday, November 10th, 2004, and now we're in the finals in 2025, and you get that still. So I ask you guys the question as two guys who've played this game.

I'm still in it. But as two guys who played this game, like, do y'all feel the same way about this NBA finals as you have about previous. I would actually say I have been extremely impressed watching these whole entire playoffs. Like, I am fucking loving the playoffs.

Loving the finals. The games are good. It's good basketball. It may be, it may not be, you know, like two teams playing at the ultimate perfection. But, like, it is good. basketball and that T.J. McConnell

still, the second one, that changes the momentum. And so, Drake, you and I talked about this in the beginning of the year, that OKC, they will take a couple plays off mentally. Just because they're young, just because they have more talent, and shit like that comes back to haunt you. You up for, right? you don't get the offensive rebound, they score or two, then you're in a rush to throw the ball nowhere.

This kid steals the ball, lays the ball up, tie, score. Halliburton come back hit a three, the whole moment. You never recover. You never recover. So carelessness, right, is hopefully something that, and as you watch championships, you see teams that may lose on the fluke, going all the way back to Detroit Pistons

when Larry Byr stole the ball. Shit like that happens, right? The teams that win make those moments happen. And that's what Indiana is doing different than OKC. OKC may take a playoff, may make a lack of desical past.

Because they have that, they have kind of like a real nonchalant charisma. Yeah. And like that national charisma also that she can play against you where it's like, I don't should affect me, but I don't care. But it's like you can't shake your shit out. You can't shake yourself. You can't shake yourself out of it.

You know? That's that's where my hiccup is. And T.J. McConnell, he is the essence of what Indiana basketball is. That's playing hard. has taken advantage of every mistake, right, and being first to the action. You know, I mean, to T.J. McConnell's point, and I'm going to answer Jayron's question also, but how was that game five in Indiana, one of those games? They came out, they were shooting a bunch of threes. T.J. came into the game, started driving the ball into the teeth of the defense,

and changed the whole game, by the way, right, which they didn't came back in one. If TJ didn't do that, they would have lost that game. You know, you always need that player that C, like, oh, we're shooting too many threes. I got to come in here and do something different, start penetrating. You know, and then you look at last year with Indiana, you know, without those injuries, maybe they lose. But they was making the same mistakes that OKC is making this year. The difference is they kept going, they kept advancing, and then they gained that experience. So now you got an OKC team who, yeah, they do a lot of things well.

lot of great individual talent, a lot of great role players. But, you know, they're not prepped in every single, the little areas. They're not prepped him. Like you said, Dre, how are you getting those two stills? Well, Phil Jackson, you know, press break is a part of the, the press break is a part of the offense, right? You look at what happened, even at Milwaukee. And I don't even want to give away too much. I'm trying to be a head coach son. So I'm trying to try to keep a little bit for myself, but it's true, how are you not prepped? What a press break, bro. That is like basketball one-on-one.

It is one-on-one. It is the most, you know, it's important. And sometimes you don't go through it. You get into these playoffs, especially with the game, being more physical beauty, to your point, like, I'm enjoying this year. This is, I'm enjoying the playoffs, like, it was incredible this year. But as physical as it is, you got to be ready to break the press.

Because guys is touching you now. You know what I mean? And they're not prepared. You got a sprint to get open. Like you've got to work to get open. You can't be, like you said, lack of days ago. It's not working in the finals. And Rick Carlisle, this is right in Rick Carlisle's sweet spot.

He was in the soft era, sort of a soft era. He went to all those areas. And you're telling me now, they're saying you can touch. Oh, this is Rick Carlislew's sweet spot right there. Blende and Vice's signature dynamic storytelling with the high-contained world of sports, Vice Sports brings an exciting and diverse range of programming beyond the game. From gripping behind-the-scenes documentaries to hard-hitted investigative pieces and in-depth profiles of athletes, coaches, and teams,

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Go to vice TV.com to find your cable channel. And the thing that Indiana is doing, They're making you start your offense at half court. They're doing what the person's at us. Yeah. India's doing what Lindsay Hunter, who's one of the greatest point guard defenders in history. Like this guy was...

Man, he was a harasser. He was a bona fide harasser. Incursive. You're not getting... You're not getting into your office until... All day. All day, he harassed you. This is what Paul was doing.

If the Pistons didn't have Lindsay Hunter, man, we win that series. So you think someone, because, again, we live in the world where people have their own events, where the media, I think the media control the NBA, by the way, just so we're clear. Players, there's this common misconception of players have the power in the NBA. I personally think the media has the power in the NBA. I think that's who controls the NBA. But are you saying that you think, because I actually got a couple days ago,

I spoke about how I think is Alice Caruso is the most important player, on third most important player. Obviously, Shea, obviously J-Dubb. But I think Alice Caruso is the third most important player of O KCC's team. And Ron, I'm hearing you say, Lindsay Hunter. Do you think a guy like Lindsay Hunter is that important to winning the championship? I wish Lindsay Hunter, you can't have Lindsay Hunter and Mike James on the same team.

It was really difficult. These guys was harassing us. I mean, we couldn't get the ball. It was really difficult because, yeah, Jamar Tinsley is incredible. when you play against these guys, they send them Mike James, then they send them to Lindsey, then they send them Mike James,

Denise and they send in Lindsay, you're not getting into your offense, you know, until 13, 13 seconds. Yeah. Package at that point in time. At half court. At half court. Yeah.

Yeah. Please take nothing off the court. Like, please don't put him in the game and we're going to be okay. Mike just won Mike James. You can't have, and Lindsay was a little bit better than Mike, even though Mike was more athletic,

but Lindsay was a scientist when it comes to, you know, putting pressure into the back court. And that's what the pace has got. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, Jay, it's the disruptor, right? And you are one of those disruptors. Like, when you think about somebody who just completely disrupts your offense,

and that can be picking somebody on full court, making your point guard past the ball close to the half court ring is disgusting for a point guard. And if you can, And if you watch Indiana, OKC get across half court, they run and pick your rolls at the half court line. Just to try and get some space. New York did it the same way with Brunson. Brunson is damn near using the half court line as another pick.

And so if your defense can extend that far, all game, then when it comes down to the clutch, and now you got to play in a tight space, you can, ain't nothing open. You can strength the floor and you can still cover ground because they can't, they don't see space. They can only see space in from half court, which is terrible.

You don't never want to start your offense at half court. No, that's the fact. I think when we look at those type of guys like T.J. McConnell, for instance, to your point that he's doing the same thing. When you look at those type of guys, you just, when it comes to the NBA, yes, everyone is talented.

Yes, everyone is skilled, all these things. You, Bill Belichick has this saying to make, this is not Bill Belichick saying, but Bill Belichick, the way Bill Belichick goes about his offense is, Bill Belichick goes about his offense. He says, I'm going to double team the best wide receiver. The best wide receiver you have, excuse me, Bill Belichick will double to you the second

best wide receiver. He will double team your second best wide receiver and tell you, go ahead and beat us with your first best wide receiver. I'm going to double team your second best wide receiver. receiver so he can't get anything and I'm going to make your best wide receiver beat us can you beat us over the course uh you look at the NFL game it's 15 minutes of court can you beat us over the course of that 60 minutes why are you jocke and bill bellich said that he is first stiller fan man what what see got him caught him ran handy hey run

Amen. When we all got championships. No, I don't give a fuck. When you a fan of football, you don't quote the rival coach. If you're a Pittsburgh Stealing, you don't quote Belichick. When we all got championships, we don't even matter. Because we all got the championships. So you, your way, I'm going to win it my way.

But Bill Belichick, he said, I'm going. I'm a double team. Second best receiver. You got to make people and make decisions. Oh, you're just the first best receiver. That's what Rick Carlis is doing. And that is exactly what Rick Carlis is doing. Shea Gild is Alexander.

They're loaded up. They're boxes and elbows. The whole defense is overreacting. And then Jay Dube go get a drive to the hole. And he bumped one guy. He gets a dunk and one. he they telling him we're willing to let you go beat us yeah it can we're not letting she go beat us yeah and i i want to ask the question to both of you guys is is that ultimately

a sustainable game plan to win four games in this series well i think you said earlier i think She got a shape problem, right? He got to bring, he didn't bring his game yet. So he got to answer that first question first, right? Then he can get to that, you know, what you just asked just now, you know, because even if they were doing that, imagine that's Kobe, even if they were sending the double doing the tilt. You know, Kobe splitting it, figuring out how to attack that,

you know, he might go five for 30, you know, go pop party, but when he's going to try to break you. And he's done that a lot. And I think that's the first problem that Shade got hands. So when you're speaking about

Kobe, I love that. So when Shade, so you agree that Shade just need to be more, he need to go, fuck it. I don't give a care. If we win, lose, this is what I'm doing, and let's win off that. Yeah, I can't.

Actually, Shane should just go behind his darn five times. That's going to work. So listen, you know what's crazy? One of the biggest things Steve taught me, and I've never said this on camera, he taught me how to deal with the media when you're in a playoff series. And you act in the way you're acting right now

tells me how much he learned. for Phil. Because you acting the way you're you won't say anything. So let's just get right into it then. You won't say anything. You recently announced that you want to be the head coach of the Knicks. Tell me why.

New York. Let's just start there. Queens Bridge, finest. I don't know. I don't know if you Queens Bridge finest, though. I'm not the finest. Not the finest. I'm not the finest. You know, come on, guys.

I got to get that to you, Doug. I got to get that to you over. I got to get that to you over, Nas. You loved it way more love and more states and more cities. You know, you got a loyal cult. Like, you've taken queens everywhere. That is true. Let me tell you how it is.

So, look, we look up to Nas, we look up to Jordan, right? Like, Nas is like, imagine growing up and Nas is, He grew up right here. You know what I mean? That's crazy. It's insane, right? So, but Nas told me one time he's like, yo, you're the man. Like, Nas did say, yeah, you know, you the, I said, what up?

King. He said, nah, you're the King. I said, hell, no, I ain't know. You're the King, now. Get out of here with that. You're the King. You're the King, and I call myself the Prince of Queensbridge. There is.

That's funny. No, but you know, yeah, I want to be the head coach because, one, since 1999, I've been trying to get to the Knicks. Barron, we was at the draft together. I had to meet. Yes, I remember that. Oh, man, I thought that was going to happen, bro. It happened.

I was ironed. Barron came into my room. I was ironing in my $1. I was ironed in my $1.00 bills. I was like, I'm going to have more money in this. I wanted to go to the draft crispy, so I ironed all my singles. I had about 35 singles. So then we get to the draft.

Thanks. I'm supposed to make my room, BD. Thanks. Hey. Thanks. Oh, my God. So I get to the draft, I was projected to go top 10. You know, even if you look at the draft, you'll see I was projected to go top 10,

but I was telling my agent, just let it get the 15, please. So I get the 15. I got the knit warm up under the practice jersey. He was already. He was ready. I was ready to get draft it, rip it open. Like, New York. walking the building, we come in, we want to win his title.

That was the whole player, right? So they pass on me. The Bulls kick me next. I'm walking on stage looking at Mrs. Mr. Tatsky. I'm like, I got the Bulls jeez right there. I'm looking at him. I'm looking at Totsky.

I'm like, yo, what the, are you passed up? Beaver staring right there. Remember Boston cop? Remember the Boston shootout? That's what he was on. He was, hey, daughter, I cannot believe that. I was crying.

I could not believe that. I could. It was like, everybody knew. Everybody knew. He was supposed to go to the city. We were supposed to go to the city. It was supposed to happen. I'm in New York, Ledge.

So many championships. So when it didn't happen, you know, I love the Bulls. I would go to the Bulls, going to Indiana. I was always thinking about going back to the Knicks, but now I'm building a family in Indiana, which is like my second home now, right? So then almost in 2010, I almost went to the Knicks again, but Melo's available, all these other players, LeBron's here now. So it's like, it's priority now, right? Even though I was still a pretty good player, I thought they should

have picked me. I'm a New York City player, but it proved my point that if they were to pick me, imagine that defensive player of the year in New York. Imagine being the, I was on the best team in the East, you know? Yes, you are. You know, he's on the best.

So that could have been in New York. So then I go to New York at the end of my career, I'm like, this is great. Like, I'm in New York. Like, I was a blessing. Shout out to the Knicks to the next. I love the next organization.

Yeah, next is, hey, one. Shout out to the All of them. So then, at the end of my career, I knew I was going to get into coaching because when I was at, my last two years with the Lakers, I was, I would leave practice. going to my Palisades girls practice.

That's when I started coaching. I always wanted to coach. So I did two years at Palisades with Coach Trinot Jones. We won two championships there. I was like an assistant coach. I drew the G League when I retired half a season part-time

because I wasn't really into it fully. I needed a break from basketball. And I wanted to spend time with my family too. I had a long career. So then what I did was I became an assistant coach, associate head coach at Cal State, LA for seven years, the last seven years up until now. at a now yeah it's division two but i did try to get some opportunities which is nobody's fault but

i just could not get on it and be a team now i could have got on the lakers but the timing was on the lakers g league but the time it was bad because i needed a break from basketball so the time was bad to go to the lakers so that window left and i but i just kept coaching i had some coaches that said they might call me they might call me i had no call back you know i was trying to give G-leads, I was trying to get here, get there, but no calls back. So, you know, in the old school, if I need to go into the gym and the gym is closed, I'll just go outside of the park and work on my game. That's what I've been doing over the last seven years.

I've been working on my craft. I'm on my Shiznik right now when it comes to culture. Because I've been through the emotion. We took a team from the last 20 to 30 years before I got there, no NCAA appearances, to having a rough first year, second year got better to make it an NCAA two years in a row and being ranked in Division 2, you know, in the top 10 in the preseason. Now, granted, we had an injury last year, right? But that's coaching.

And now, so I didn't expect this knit job to be available, by the way. I was actually, I was in, I was on the island, like literally at a coffee shop. I get the tweet. I'm like, ooh, I got to get on it. But I'm ready for that moment. It's like, Drey. If you pick, if you set a double screen, you know, call it the left corner, double screen, and they show too much.

you're going to slip. You're not thinking about that. You're slipping, boom. I saw the opportunity. I slipped. You know, I saw a shot. I took it. I got to send that tweet out now because that's how ready I am. That's how ready. I'm ready for the press. You mentioned that earlier. Like, oh, these guys is not ready. I'm ready for the press. I wanted this opportunity. This is in the back of my head forever. So when you saw it, then I said, I got to create the momentum because I don't have an agent. This is a one-man band. You think you think you think you can coach Jalen Brunson. All right. So listen, say the Knicks don't make a trade.

Right. The Knicks don't do anything. They come back with the same team next year. Right. You think you can coach those guys to a champion. On my A game right now, man. I'm on my A game for sure. And so this is speaking here from that perspective,

this is not like saying I'm not in the talks. Nobody has called me. So I'm not, this is no pressure on the Knicks. love the Knicks organization because I also do a lot of community service with the Knicks. This is not to put any pressure on the next. This is just talking as, you know, I'm honored to be on the show. For sure. Like, when I look at, I'm a pace of fan.

I'm at the pace of the game today. 100%. I'm going to be honest and transparent. But when I look at that game, it was little thing. We talked about the little things. I don't want to give it all away because I want to save it for when I coach. But we talk about not being ready, you know, or things they could have done different. You look at the end of the fourth quarters.

What happened? even the bounce alone Hallibur and that soft touch even that one bounce goes the right way we're talking it could have been a different series in the car so just from that alone

and that experience alone they're going to get better because they learn they got their buck kicked this year you know at home so they're going to get better and now and then you get a chance to coach up Brunson

Brunton is different Brunton is not the same mentality is a lot of people he went to the garden. That's what Carmelo did. Carmelo went to the garden when everybody else did not want to go to the garden. Nobody wanted to follow him because they have pressure. Baron Udo.

He played in New York, BD. So for an effort, I think I got, I would have the team. We would be expected to him. Obviously, you're going to have a staff. It's not going to just be met with a piece on the bench by itself.

Like, getting people's water. We'll have a dope staff, right? And then, yeah, we'll compete and win the title. He's like, We don't have no other bills. I only got one. I'm not speaking like from a Dremont perspective.

Like Dremont got full. Drake could come on here and say, we're going to win. For sure, we're going to win. I'm coming on here saying we're going to win. I got one. I'm coming here saying, yeah, we're coming to win the title in New York City.

And for you, that means more to you than just an NBA title because you're from New York. Yeah, I've been trying to get to New York for quite some time. The whole story is different. It's one, I have the, experience, right? Because I play in the league. And you're a champion.

Champion, Winnie Rose, did what I had to do. In part two, everywhere in New York City, from UDC to Milbank to menacing to 145th to 119th to second, to Kingdom to Rucker, he's as championships there all the whole time. He's as MVP's and champs. So I've got all, I got this history in New York City. When you combine that together, it is a perfect time in the way to win the title. Now I'm going to apologize to a few people.

I'm going to be legendary after this. Sorry. So I ask you this question. That's someone who's been in the NBA following your footsteps where we don't take bullshit. We're not going for that. We're willing to go to whatever lengths to show you. We're not going for that. Right, right.

What do you say to the guy who's like, yeah, but you can't keep your head? Because you're going to lose it. you're not, like, even when I watch you play, you lose it. Because that's what they say to me. What do you say to that guy? Which I might call you, Drey, and say, hey, what do you think? But when you're like, when you coach in a knucklehead or immature or person like the matter or whatever case may be, I think it's connecting, you know, it's like, I was in a different

situation. That's why I love how you play Drey because you never put your, you never was detrimental to your team. You was detrimental to yourself at times, which is why your DMs, you're going to see some DMs from you, Dre. You're going to see them. But you was never detrimental to your team. I didn't have that, you know,

and I learned a lot from you, by the way. I learned a lot from Stefan Curry. Not even, I don't even talk to Stephen, but I watch and analyze and learn at the end of my career. So, you know, for now perspective, you know, you're coaching emotional, right? We all emotional. We got big egos.

I'm the girl. We got big egos, right? I understand that. And for me, you know, certain things just don't stress me out. So, so a guy like me playing against your team, you with the Knicks, you the head coach. And I'm out there trying to bully Carl Towns. Like, you're not cut. Man, I'm going to say, I'm going to take this.

I'm going to take your 13 men off the bitch and I'm going to put him in the game. And I'm going to say, you go fuck with Jemann. Oh, really? They file the shit out of Draymond. he went in his chest and say something to her. Then I'm going to give him an ISO against you, and I don't care if you stop him, if they're going to charge.

I'm like, make an offensive foul against Jemann. Then the third time down, I'm going to let him file your ass again. And after that, he's all lose your shit. Then I'm going to sit him down on the bench, and you go talk to him all night. I guess what?

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. And listen, guess what? Guess what? Guess what, BD? Now Ron Artec, got to go be the head coach of the New York Knicks. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. That's all cool.

That's all fine and dandy. You got at me. But now you got to go be the head coach of the New York Knicks. Yeah. I think without putting too much pressure, I'm going to support the Knicks regardless. Let's say that he didn't pick me, which I don't want. that to happen. I'm not saying that. Even assistant coach, even assistant coach,

man starting off somewhere be... Hold on. Don't mention that type of stuff. Don't throw that type of... My fault, my fault. Head coach. Head coach. Head coach. Hey, coach. The sage on deep beatie for some sage. Be ready, baby. Hey, be ready. And you don't want to know something?

I know what New York City is. Like, say we don't win, I'm going to be the biggest fool in New York City. You're I don't, do I want that? I'm ready for it. They don't throw tomatoes at your ass. If you're going to walk down the street.

What are you going to do when you are losing and you walk down the street if somebody hits you with a tomato. I'm going to turn the cheek. I'm going to turn out the cheat. Hey, you got to. Hey.

You got to. Listen, before we move on, I must say this. When I look at the New York Knicks team, I'm just going to be 100% honest with the both of you because I got the utmost respect for the both of y'all and y'all are connected to the next organization. And so I'm going to be 100% honest with the both of y'all.

I think when I look at that organization, does Tom Tilbur don't help you win an NBA championship or not? I don't know. I'm not certain that he does. I'm not certain that he doesn't. But what I am certain of is that the culture of that organization is going to be proper. It's going to be the right way. They're going to go about things the right way.

So I've watched this team now, this organization, has someone who knows what it means to win championships and know what it means to look like championships. to know what it should look like in order to win it be a championship. Excuse me. Yeah. I've watched this team now, this organization, fire a guy who I think is he goes about his business the right way.

Will he win a championship for you? I don't know. But what I've watched is this team now go after four or five head coaches and be denied the opportunity. opportunity to speak to them. And when I see that, I say, hmm, what I do know this team needs is someone who's going to be respected when, because see, here's what you got to understand. For me, as someone who's won four championships in this league, who would turn to your bench

and say, oh, y'all are fucking weak and your coach suck, and I don't believe in y'all, because I'll say that to your bitch and annihilate your bench and crush your bitch because all of that matters when you're talking about winning a championship as someone who would say that I would actually say that

now whereas I think it's different is this is me keeping it 100 with both of y'all because that's how I'm going to keep it when I take a step back I look at you and I say there's no chance I'd ever come to your bitch and say, oh, you motherfuckers weak, I'll beat all y'all.

There's no chance y'all can win. There's no chance y'all can beat us. Because when people have never won a championship, they don't understand the value of that thing, which is how important it is that the people that walk past your bitch have respect for your bitch. People don't understand that thing. And so when I look at the Nick situation, I say, me personally, they need someone that commands this respect of a Tom Tibado. They need someone that commands the respect of the NBA, but they're going to think that with that team, that they were really a conference finals team.

And I actually think they need someone like you to say, maybe we weren't, maybe we were, but the respect that's going to be had towards our bitch is the respect that needs to be had towards a championship. And so my thing would be what is one of us to do when your viewed as Meta World Peace run our test, the basketball player, and not Meta World Peace run our test, the guy who's going to command the respect on a bench that a bench must have in order to compete at a championship level. How do we beat that thing?

You mean how do we accomplish that? Like, how do we, yeah, I mean, for me. And see, here's what I, I said, how do we beat that thing? Because I said that, and this ain't you talking, this is me talking. Yeah. I said that because I feel like, when I, I say beat that thing, that's also something we're up against in order to be success. So that's why I said it that way.

That's not you speaking. Yeah, yeah. Be speaking. But how do we get past that thing to where me personally, as someone who's going through this league and one championship, if I see you on a sideline, there's a different respect that I'm going to have for someone else? How do we beat that thing of like you're a current player? Because in our world, they use that against us.

you don't know what you're talking about. But in every other world, if you did that, you're the guy for the job. So how do we beat that thing? No, 100%. And it's true. You know, I feel like, a lot of the stuff that people worry about, too,

I don't necessarily worry about. I'm focused on, you know, strategy, what I'm going to do when I get my opportunity. I know BD alluded to like an assistant coach in your role. I never, I'm actually open to, want a lot. I'd be your assistant coach, bro. You know what? In that coach, I'll be the assistant coach. Ooh, I might have to call you.

Come on, come on, come on, man. I'll be an assistant coach. You know how much pressure it is being in New York? And this is not like to scare anybody. I'm not supposed anybody who gets a job. But for me, to come out like this and talk about and the fans, you know, some fans are ready like, hell, no, I'm going back. I'm like really ticking that head on. Like, I'm not afraid of this moment. You build for it. You build for it. Yeah, you're born to do this.

You know it. You're a great person. You're great with people. You know, you embody New York basketball. And you embody basketball, too, for somebody, you know, as a superstar, all-star, seeing your trajectory from kids and seeing you now. Like, you've mastered. all levels of a player.

And you've won at all, you know, you've won at the highest level at, as an integral, integral part of a team where you had to be a thinker, where you had to be an adjuster, where you had to think strategy, where you had to be a disruptor to compliment superstars.

So you know what a superstar needs. You know what a rising star needs. right you know what a young enough coming dude who's looking for that motivation or that opportunity like you can relate on so many levels because you've played all those different roles in your journey and i think a lot of that was by choice right being a superstar and then decide all right well i'm going to go over here and be the ultimate role player and then to work your system like that so I commend you, bro. If you need an assistant coach, I'm near.

Let's go. We're going to campaign. Matter for Nick's coach, you got my vote. Here's the thing, though. Here's the thing that I'll say, I don't even think it's a campaign situation. I'll just tell you from what I see in watching the thing is they had a head coach that requires and demands respect. and he's brilliant in what he knows.

He is a defensive guru. So much so that I'm going to just keep a G with y'all. I'm sorry if this is the team you're going to be coaching in two months. But to go to the conference finals with Jalen Brunson and Carl Thompson on the defensive end. I ain't talking about what Jailen Brunson and Carl Thames do. and who they are as players. I'm just talking about over the course of an NBA season,

Jaylen Brunson and Carl Towns are two people over the course of that season that you say, we can pick on them. To go to the conference finals with two guys that you can pick on, I think that's brilliant. Because it's so hard to align all the schedules,

to do this thing, to do that thing, blah, blah, blah. I actually like that talent. It actually has to align with this time period. Like, you can like a talent, but if it don't align with that time period, it actually doesn't work. And so when I take a step back, I look at it and it actually aligns.

And so for me, when I take a step back and I look at it, I'm like, yo, the Knicks requested Jason Kidd, the Nix requests the Nix requests a Chris Finch and I don't give a fuck about the Nix how y'all do so there's one more person that they just recommended it

and it didn't matter Quinn Snyder Yeah, Quinn Snyder right? So it didn't matter so when I look at the Nix and I take a step back I'm like, yo they have to have someone as the coach that is respected amongst the players

that they play, but that's also respected amongst of players that they have on their team or they're going to make a big mistake. And so when I look at it, and I'll be honest with you, when you threw your name in the hat, I'm like,

I never knew matter was going to coach, but when I look at their situation, they need someone like you. And a lot of people didn't know I was coaching, but some people do, and just to go on the record, I was trying to coach many times. It's just bad timing, and I can't force someone to put me on their staff.

And I'll, you know, I can't force someone to, you know, make me to coach you to G-Legal, even WMBA. I was trying everything. But what I did. Interview, you know. Huh? They got to give you the interview, bro. Yeah, I couldn't even get an interview from Alamada, but what I did do was I was coaching. I wasn't just sitting at home waiting. I was coaching. And you're talking about 6 a.m. practices. So what time am I up every day at 5 a.m.?

That's way harder. It's not to put in by down, but that's way harder to not get paid as a volunteer coach, taking the job serious, you know, and we don't have a budget at Division II basketball.

We got to go on Southwest. I'm on Southwest. We drive in vans. I don't get it out. This is for six years. This is what people don't realize. I saw Charles the other day, and I was like,

Charles, I need you to advocate for me. Charles said, you don't even coach. I said, Charles, that's not true, man. That's not true. I coach. I coach. whole time, man. I'm coaching every day. You can catch me on Division 2 TV. And actually, we played Stanford this year and the Stanford coach, you know, Division I, Powerhouse, right?

So we played them in the preseason. She was like, this team is very well prepared. And that's a video. Now, she didn't say our names, but that's our team. And yeah, it's girls and not guys, but it don't matter because you're coaching, you're trying to get a team to beat another team. Yeah, we're touching basketball. Coaching basketball. Exactly. No, listen, I think in order for,

again, this is just me talking to y'all, and I guess it goes out to the world, but I don't think that's a championship team. But I think in order for that team to compete at that level, they have to have someone like you, or it just doesn't work. Like, it'll never work.

Like, you have to, in order to compete at the level of conference championships in the NBA, you have to have generational talents. And I think when it comes to that, if you don't have a generational talent, for instance, the Indianapolis, I don't think they have generational talents. However, when it comes to that, you must have people that are respected at that level. and if you don't have people that are respected at that level and you just have generational talents, they become talents that in 10 years, 20 years,

we look back from now and we're like, man, that person was supposed to be that good, that person was supposed to be that good. Yeah. And I think if you don't, these people aren't in search of the generational talent, but I will say, I think that next team needs someone like you.

because if they think they're going to get someone who's like, I'm an ex and old, I'm an ex and old guy. We're going to make this team do that. It's wrong. It don't work. They're not going to win. Going to lose in the first round. And that's just that.

So I pray to God that you can be viewed as what you should be viewed at as far as this job goes because we're the only industry in the world. that you can have extreme experience at something, even more experience than the person that's up against you, and the experience is used against you. So I think the Knicks need someone like you. I think when I look at it, someone that I played against that think the game,

I don't think players think the game anymore. That's just my opinion. But that's someone who think the game had to think the game and what shows you how to think the game is you were great at scoring. That's great. That didn't make you become who you became. What made you become who you actually became was taking that backseat and winning the championship.

And to see someone do that and know that someone's willing to sacrifice all that they've been in their entire life to do that thing, that's the person that I want as my coach. I appreciate it. I haven't had to throw my name in the hat. I ain't mean to, you know, ruffle any feathers, but, you know, you don't get a lot of opportunities in life.

And you know what's so crazy about it, I threw my name in the hat and look where we had today. Yep. It's, you know, so hopefully this thing happens, and I'm going to be so ready, you know, to perform and confide. No doubt. Can I ask you a question?

Yes, sir. Please do. What the hell made you change your name from Ron Art Test of Meta World Peace? You know Oh, wait, before you answer Because I As a fan

Watching the game And Sagina all Michigan I'm like, What the hell? Oh yeah What the hell makes you change it, eh? Yeah, I needed to evolve My career was wild

It was just like Couldn't, you know When I was playing my Two of my siblings Was in a cycle Right? So you can't It's nothing you could do

I could control everything else, right, in life. I can help people, but I can't get my siblings off medication, right? So that's one. Then you, when you pile on, like, not being able to, you know, I didn't necessarily have the skill set to raise a family now. I had my first child at 16, right?

So, so then now you enter in the league as a father. You know, I was, I was a father, you know, literally at 19 years old. And so I didn't know how to name. navigate that. And then another thing was the alcohol. Like when I was drinking, I didn't realize how much of a depression it was. So when you got all that stress and things going on, if you don't understand the alcohols are depressive and you got a motor, it just works against you, man. So then at some point, you know, as I went when I had, when I stopped drinking, because I did for a long time in my career, I had a tuck down a sip of alcohol. And when I

stopped and I reflect it, I'm like then kind of embarrassing. You know, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, That's kind of just a real good. You know what I mean? Like a lot of stuff that was happening. So I was trying to evolve and move forward because everything's already out there. But I knew what I wanted to go in my life. So I said, you know, I'm going to change my name. I'm going to do my thing because I got to block out everybody.

Because, you know, from my perspective, like people were, things just coming from everywhere, media, fans all the time, all the time, online and everything. But I needed to really focus to get here where I'm at today. So I think the name change is important to me. So now today. You go as Ron Artes, Santifer. No, no. So I kept Mata.

My wife, her name is Sanderphor. So when I got married, I changed my last name to her last name. So I was Meta World Peace, but it's meta Sanderthor. And she took Artes. So it's meta Sanderthor and Artes. So that's the only reason why that exists because, you know, she demanded that I changed my name. to her last.

That's killing. No, you know, what time about that? Give her defensive player at a year. You gotta tell me more about that.

She gets a defensive player to year. Hey, lock, lock, lock, lock him out, lock, lock them out.

You got a lot. Yeah. That's some lock, that's some lockdown defense rate to feel medical feast. Wait, but time out of them. It runs.

You, again, having the mental that we know, which is like, I'm a dog, I'll destroy you. How would you decide that that was going to be the thing? Because it's total opposite of the way we know, right? Like the woman, take the man last name. Like, that's total opposite of what we know. Yeah. Come on, you guys. You know what's crazy.

We was in a courtroom. And I was like, ain't no. way, I'm a man. I never remember my name to your last name. I said, I ain't do it. We was in the courtroom. And, you know, she's like, no, you're going to do it. I like, no, hey,

I'm a man who are on peace. You're troubled. I said, I'll change your dog. I've signed in the paper like, this is some BS. But it was worth it. That's too funny. Like, my stage name is Meta World Peace. I'm telling people, yo, please call me MetaWorld Peace, yo.

You know, the other name is like, you know, it's good, but Meta World Peace is my name. My stage name. So what is your actual name today? Yeah, we shared last name. Her last name is Sandifold. My last, and Artes. So we brought back Artes, Meta Sanda Ford Artes.

That's my, yeah, that's what I changed to when I got married. That's fine. By the way, just so we're clear, only you can do that and get away with it. No one can get away with that. When you put META for it, I text my people, I say, yo, can you have Draymore and change it back to MetaWorld Peace? Maybe my stage name out there.

Yeah. But it was, you know, it was worth it, man. Actually, my daughter did the same thing when she got married. She kept art tests, and she tried to get her husband. Her husband was like, nah, I'm keeping my lap. man, you can keep your own. So a little bit more of a man than me. That's fire, man. Listen, I'm so... Learn something new. I'm so thankful, and I know BD, I speak for the both of us, but I'm going to speak for myself.

I'm so thankful for you coming on this show because I personally, and BD is going to speak on on his Bial, but I personally... I don't respect people because you played in the NBA. Like that just don't work for me. And I know people judge me for that. People are like, oh, that's a legend. You should do this. That just don't work for me.

My mom taught me people earn respect. And the people that have earned respect from me, they earn my respect. And that's just that. Whether the rest of the world respect, or think about you in the same way I think about you has absolutely nothing to do with me. I can only speak for myself. And when I tell you, you coming on this show and speaking the way you spoke and being who you're

being and not being afraid to say what you wanted to say is so uplifting to me because I feel like that's how I've gone about my whole career. And to know that I could still be in the position to be. the Knicks head coach and just being Draymond Green by watching you run our test. Just be Ryan our test and be in position and the best candidate to be the head coach of the Knicks because you've done it, you've studied it, you've lived it, you're not afraid to tell a guy you did this wrong because we see that all the time in the NBA where someone don't want to lose their job, they protect their job,

but won't tell that guy you did something wrong. When I take a step back and I look at that, and to have this conversation with you, I'm so extremely thankful for you coming on the show, for you having this time with us, and I just want these people to know, by the way, we can talk so much more basketball, but BD and I was just so much more interested in the person,

so we can do that any day. but I'm so thankful for you coming on the show. I appreciate you. I think you should be the next head coach because they're going to hire someone that they think is a coach and they're going to lose. So I'm just throwing it out there. Appreciate you coming on the show.

Appreciate you, Big Dog. My brother, for life. Man, we got, me and this dude, we got drafted together. We was in the McDonald's All-American together. We went to Nike camp together, Boston Shootout, first All-Star game together.

I'm going to be a USA team. Man, come on. USA team together. Man, you know how I feel about you, Rob. I just, what I look up to you. I love your journey. I'm glad I've been a part

of your journey. I'm glad I I get to be an up-close fan of your journey. And more importantly, I'm just a fan of what you've done after your career, right, to see you, you know, continue to evolve and to the businessman you are. Now the coach, the basketball I'm on,

has always been there. Now you're close. and going after coaching. I just fully supports you, man, because everything you do, you put your heart and soul into it, and it turns out great. And you are basketball, right?

You are the passion. You are the heart. You are the end of the nut, intellect. And I'm just thankful for you to be on the show. I'll probably see you next week anyway, though. You've been dodging me. You've been dodging me lately, bro. You've been here.

You've been dodged me. And they tell me he live in Indiana. So I'm like, yeah, usually my dog come around the finals. We have our little finals party. And you at the crib? You have the finals house? Yeah, I'm at the finals house. Jay, did you visit that already?

I have, yeah. Jay, Jake, Jake did at the studio. Oh, I've been in the studio for sure. Yeah. That's incredible, man. I love that spot, man. BD., you just innovated, man. You've been inspiring us also on the business.

side, the entrepreneurship side. You know what I mean? And to see like what y'all doing and, Drayman, I've been watching you. I actually reached out to you plenty of time. You'll see your deals, but just watching how you, you know, because I need to learn too. You know, we retire. We be, some players be like lost. We've seen this happen to players many times. All the time.

Oh, let's on. You know, Glenn, look at our boy or a big baby, like, it's not a good look. And we got to be supportive. And I was not afraid to look up to you that. I wasn't afraid to watch the brand, somebody I competed against to watch you. how you're a winner, it taught me how to be a winner. You understand the timeline.

We retire. We don't have a skill set. How did I gain a skill set? Well, I look at people like you or Stefan Carey and LeBron and then talking to Beatty, going to Beatty's office and asking questions. I don't care if I sound dumb, but you guys taught me so much, especially that Warrior team, just watching how y'all connect, you know, and watching how y'all play together.

I didn't have that concept. Even when I was in Indiana, it was more of a selfish thing. And I just didn't have the concept that y'all had, but I was able to get it at the end, even though it was a little too late for that Indiana team, but it wasn't too late for this new team in life. You know what I mean? So I appreciate you, like, you know, and I don't speak to stuff at all. But, you know, I watched the game because that's the only reference point we have. We don't have a business background.

All we can do is watch the game and I can go from what I've learned. But when I watch people perfect the game, I can watch that and add that to my life and add it to my business. and how I want to move forward. And then to see that evolve to the restaurant and all this stuff. I'm like, I'm so happy to see that. And, you know, thanks for the compliment. And thanks for having me on your show. Brother, we appreciate you more than, you know, man.

I tell you again and again, I just don't respect people because they play in the NBA. Like, some people just have talent and they get to the NBA. But the lot more respect. They're so thankful. The real is. By the way, to the rest of y'all out there, we appreciate y'all. I'm honored to be with two leasures. That's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green show with the legend Baron Davis.

My God. Metal world peace. Until next time, that's a wrap. We out. Peace. Peace.