The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis - Warriors lose to Wolves, Steph's injury & incident w/ Minnesota fan

Episode Date: May 17, 2025

Draymond Green and Baron Davis react to the Golden State Warriors getting bounced by Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves in the second round of the NBA playoffs. Dray gives his takes on the Dubs coming up short after losing Steph Curry to injury, the standout play of Julius Randle and Rudy Gobert, and the publicized incident between himself and a Minnesota fan. Dray and Baron discuss how the Jimmy Butler trade salvaged the Dubs' season, young players like Brandin Podziemski and Jonathan Kuminga stepping up in Steph's absence, and what the offseason has in store for Golden State. They also react to the series between the New York Knicks and Boston Celtics (episode recorded prior to Game 6) and Denver Nuggets and Oklahoma City Thunder, as well as Phoenix Sun star Kevin Durant going at Emmanuel Acho. 01:30 - Warriors getting bounced by the Wolves 32:00 - Look-back at Warriors season & Jimmy Butler trade 54:15 - Dray's "angry black man" comments & Minnesota fan incident 1:15:30 - Knicks-Celtics & Nuggets-Thunder 1:30:00 - Acho & Durant back-and-forth (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Herd Follow The Draymond Green Show on social media:  https://www.instagram.com/draymondshow https://x.com/DraymondShow https://www.facebook.com/people/Draymond-Green-Show https://www.tiktok.com/@draymondgreenshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The volume. What's up, everybody. Welcome back to the Draymond Green show with my brother. B.D., what's hiding them, bro? How you feeling? What's up, my guy? Damn. Damn, damn, damn.

You had a good run, man. It's an off-season. Welcome to the off-season. My mom texts me after the game. We get to hang out more. But my mom texts me after the game. I still ain't text her back, And I know she didn't go mad.

I actually thought it was hilarious. Well, I hope you went to, you got your fishing stuff out of stores. It's time for you to go fishing. And then she sent me this. She knows you. Come on. Come on, man.

Come on, man. Let's go fishing. It's an offseason. Yeah. I got to give a shot. Shout out to the Minnesota Timberwolves. You ain't got to get them no shout out? I just shout out to the city.

They shout out enough. They won. They don't need no shout out. They're doing it. We need a shout out. We die. First, I want to give a shout-up to the Warriors. They don't need no shout-out.

They still compete for a championship. I want to shop them all. They still go on. They don't need no shout-out yet. They don't need no shout-out yet. They be my dogs. They do my dogs. They don't need no shout out.

I had dogs in the fight. I had dogs in the fight. They proved me wrong, man. They proved me wrong. It was an interesting series. You know, Minnesota is sneaky because they got size, they got speed, they got offensive. They got a lot of dudes that can do a lot of different things,

and they can play different stuff. I think San Minnesota playing against the Lakers. LeBron, Luca, Lakers are small. They bullied them up. Then came back with you guys. And, you know, game one was different. Stuff goes out. You guys are still small.

And so they have every advantage. They play big small ball, which is interesting. And, you know, in this type of NBA, because now, you know, you're looking at 6-8, 6-9, 6-8-67, and then maybe if Conley's out there, you know, six feet. And so I think in this series, it was just a matter of speed. They were quicker, they were quicker to the ball. You know, they just had more weapons.

When you're playing against a team like this, it's hard to focus on one particular thing when they have so many different players that can beat you. and it wasn't just Anthony Edwards. It's never just been all Anthony Edwards. It's been Julius Randall. It's been McDaniels. It's been Mike Connolly.

Nas Reid, the Nas Reid, Rudy Gobert, you know, them interchange and in and out the game. That fuck a lot of teams up. Mm-hmm. You fought. You had a couple games if you would have made the games murky, if you would have made the games under a hundred, I think, you know, I tried to be under a hundred, under a hundred five, slow the pace down, then it would have worked in your favor. But at the end of the day, they just wore y'all down.

And then without having Steph Curry, it was tough because they have the physical presence and athletic talent to match up well against pretty much any team in the West, the way I'm looking at Minnesota. This is my first time really, really, really stand up. When I look at this series, it reminds me a lot of the Toronto series. And what I mean by that is matchups are extremely important, you know, offensively and defensively. The matchups are extremely important to the outcome of that game.

Like, there are some series that you can lose a guy, you can be without a guy, you can win still, and like be fine based up on the matchup. With those teams, when we lost to Toronto, it's like one injury changes all of the matchups. So, right? So, like, say for instance, Jada McDaniels would be glued to Steph Curry the entire series, no question, right? Like, that will be their guy who they go to for Jada McDonough.

If Jada McDaniels is struggling or foul trouble, the next guy they'd actually probably go to would be N, who I think they'd put on Steph, right? Like if he gets some foul Trump and chase stuff around. All right, so then what that does to the rest of the matchups is vitally important to how these games play out. Now, with no Steph, then Jaden McDaniels don't have to chase stuff around. Now Jaden McDaniels is on me or Jimmy, nor there's times where Ant was on me, right? They're moving pieces around that you can't necessarily move around.

So, for instance, when we play Toronto and why this series reminded me so much of that, Toronto had all of those same things. They had point guard play. They had great wing play. They had good wing play off the bench. Norman Powell coming off the bench. O'Giano Nob coming off the bench, right? They had a really good power for playing at an elite level in Pascal Seaco.

Minnesota has a really good power four playing at an elite level in Julius Randall, right? But some games, it was Mark Gassauda heard us, right? Rudy Gobert, obviously not the same style game, I'm just saying as far as big man. But it's just a position.

But, yes, just a position. But some games, Sergei Bacher heard us. Nasree. You see what I'm saying? So that's why the series reminded me so much. much of that from a matchup perspective, it ends up then changing all of the matchups.

It changes the lineup. So whereas you may go a certain lineup to cover this, you don't necessarily go to that lineup because you're missing such a big piece. And so, like, when I get into these series, I've been through so many of them that you can always immediately like, oh, this is that. And what I mean by that is like, you can draw from your. Final cabinet. Exactly.

This Houston series is Memphis 2015 all over again, right? So you go back to all of these series like this and the Toronto series is what this Minnesota series was to me. And saying that, man, really, really good ball club when I take a step back and I obviously remove myself from just playing in the series and just look at the series from a basketball fan perspective or a basketball analysis's perspective. What I love most is it wasn't all, like, it wasn't like, just had to dominate the ball or dominate the game.

Like, he made it, he had his imprint on every game. But it wasn't just like, eh, big scoring nights, et go for 45 and they win. Like, it was kind of all over the place. Julius played great. Julius is incredible. Another reason why I said this series is like Toronto to me is because, for this reason, I've been through, I think that was my 34th playoff series,

but I could be off by one or two, give or take, each way. Could be 36. I don't know, something of that nature. Call it for the sake of doing numbers. Call it my 33rd playoff series. The only other playoff series, where I felt like I lost my matchup like that. I didn't completely dominate my matchup,

take over my matchup. The only other series really in my career where I feel like I lost my matchup. Sturana, I felt like I lost my matchup to Pascal Siaco. Game one, he crushed me. Game two, I stifled him. Like maybe game four, game three. He was on game four.

I had a better game. but I felt like I lost my matchup in that series. And this series also reminds me of that series because it's also a series where I don't feel like I lost my matchup. I lost my matchup. Like Julius was incredible. And he played great basketball. And honestly, like, some of the shots he was taking

was shots that you want him to take, and he made him. You know what I'm saying? And, like, he made the shots. Like, at the end of the day, the game, oftentimes come down to shot making, and he made the shots. And so got to get you a lot of credit, man. I've been playing against Julius. I remember going back to the first free season game.

I'm playing against him in San Diego, California. We was playing in this game. And, like, the court, like, I think we end up stopping the game, like, right after halftime or something, because the court was slippery. If I'm not mistaken, it's the same game that if you remember the clip, Kobe's picking up step four court, picking up step four court, and step into three and tap him and either Steph tapped him or he tapped Steph or something like that. But if I'm not mistaken, it was that same game.

That was my first time ever playing against Jew. And at that time, Jew had this move where he come down, he got the ball in his right hand, he threw the ball to his right hand, his left hand, and he stuttered step. And I had never really faced a guy like that yet. And the lead he was young coming in. So I struggled guarding that move. So when we played them the next preseason game, I watched a ton of clips that move.

And I'm like, oh, I know what I need to do to that move now. And we played them next preseason game, and I shut the move down. We've been kind of having these little battles since Drew came into the league. And obviously, this is the first one on a playoff level, but I got to give it to him, man. He got the better up. You got to. He got to better up me.

With all respect, you know, I'm never a guy who's going to hide. from the true, he was a tough cover. One of the tougher covers I've had in the playoff series. And it was very interesting because it did not feel like that series was as physical as the Houston series. No, it was more physical. It just wasn't all the bullshit shenanigans. Like, they got a greater level of respect for young. Fact.

Even when Steph went out. Right. Like, I will say this, you have to watch Minnesota Plus. in order to appreciate you said something about Ed. Ant gets his money. And he gets his money with everybody else getting their money too.

And I didn't know that. They can beat you in so many different ways. And not only, like the three is not they live or die. Because Aunt go to the home. They can go to the home. Nasree go to the home. You know, Collie still can penetrate,

you know, pull up, run, pick, pick and roll. So they got a couple different styles. And then adding Julius Randall, who's my boy, that's my young dog, great offense, beat great defense all the time. I disagree, but it did that time.

All the time. Great, like you do. All the time. That is a cliche saying that I disagree with, but it definitely did this time. Man, as a defender, there's been times where I've played probably I played the best defensive

possession on Alan Hyverson and he made the shot. That's great, but then there's times where you played the best defensive possession

and shut guys down. So I just disagree with the statement. It's a very cliche statement that I understand what people were saying, but I disagree with. But this time,

no question. No question. But yeah, and, you know, a lot of those shots is, His talent. And Minnesota, when I see Ed and I see Julius player like that,

and I see what McGayou can do with a little bit of freedom, what he did in the Lakers series coming off of that. And you got DeVincenzo, who's a dog, right? You got Nasree, who's a matchup problem, right? Because he moves like a guard. And so it's just a lot of, and then Rudy Gobert, if you get two, three games out of Rudy Gobert where he got a double, double. Then it's like, oh, damn, they're hard to stop.

But I thought y'all play hard. I thought you all gave it y'all. I do think that I don't know if y'all was expecting another version of the Houston series, but like they, they went into none of the bullshit. They just were stupid. It was just hard basketball. Yeah, they played super hard. They played y'all tough.

It wasn't no bullying. We ain't going to be staring them down. We go, is hit or be hit? Right? And I think as a whole, you guys weren't prepared for that because he just hit a little bit harder than he used. And he got on with their business, right? Where a Houston man hit you could have been tricky, murk up the game. And now it's the thing.

They was just, oh, my bad. I'm going to tell you this, though, BD. They were physical for sure. Yeah. But I'll tell you in playing in the game, that game wasn't as physical as Houston. It wasn't as physical because that's what Houston has to do in order to stay in the game. Right, right. And so when I tell you it wasn't as physical, I'm telling you, I've been in a million of these things, as you know, it was not as physical.

It was a level of physicality, obviously, a high level of playoff physicality, for sure. but the skill level was so much higher than Houston that the game was never even allowed to get to that level of physicality because it's moving. It's like it's more this than playing a drum. You know, like if you want to equate it to a musical instrument, Houston's like beating a drum, whereas this is like on the piano, this is, you know, like on the guitar.

This is, this was like fine. high-level, high-skilled movement, what obviously playoff physicality, for sure, you're in playoff series, but it couldn't even reach that level of physicality because it's too much motion, you know what I'm saying? It's too much like... And so that's kind of my take away from it.

It's not, like, yeah, they were physical for sure. Like, it's a level of playoff physicality that's going to be met anyway. But it was so much higher level of skill that I don't even think the game could reach that level because you can't even chuck somebody or grab somebody like

because the game is moving at such a different tune. That's what I meant. That was kind of my takeaway. I think something I noticed defensively with them too is like and obviously with Steph on the floor, defensive game plans can change.

But I felt like they did a good job of moving Rudy Gober around and taking advantage of his strengths. So oftentimes you get in these playoff series, and this could be Finch, you know, they had a year with Rudy last year, right? So you get an opportunity to go through it.

Then you see it, you get an opportunity to study it over the course of the summer, see what you can do. And obviously, last year when they were in the Western Conference Finals, I did the games with T&T. And so I saw all the games. I saw how Dallas was able to exploit Rudy Gobert. And in playing them this year, I felt like they did a really good job of putting Rudy

Gobert in positions to take advantage of his strengths. Because it does fall upon coaching where, for instance, if Steph Curry is a knockdown three-point shooter but can't get to the hole, right, like he does. I'm just saying hypothetically. If he's the three-point sure that he is, but he cannot get to the whole. So if they take the three away, he's done. Well, guess what that coach's job is to do? You better find a way to get him some threes up because that's your job.

That's what he specializes in, right? For some reason, defensively, it's never viewed that way. And so Rudy Gober clearly has a toolkit of strengths in his defensive repertoire. And it is the opposing coach's job to put him in positions to be unsuccessful, to put him in positions to make him uncomfortable, right? That is the opposing coach's job. Well, guess what his coach's job is. Continue to find ways to put him in positions to use his strengths to be successful.

And I thought they did an incredible job this series of putting him in the positions to be successful, shifting their defenses around, like shifting schemes mid-plice, to kind of drop him to the paint. Like, I thought they did a really good job of that this series. And there were some plays where we drove to the hole and Rudy Goldberg didn't even step over to help, which I knew in their series,

and that's their game plan. Their game plan was to press out and take the three out of the game. Obviously, as a big man, your tendency for a big like that is you see the ball go to the room, you find a win. And that's how you could take advantage of Rudy at times because he found a win. You hit the three, toast. did an incredible job, man, of not funneling in,

sticking to the game plan. They put them in positions to play their strengths. So I thought that was really good. I think as they move forward in this next series, whether that's Denver or OKC, that will be vital again, because the reality is, can they go Niles Reed and Julius Randall?

Yes. Could that possibly win them a series, yes. But when you got all three of them working and you can go to what Rudy brings because he brings a totally different thing from those two guys. So when you can have that strength of yours working as well, it makes them a much dangerous team. But I think they had all three of them working against us,

which made them a much more dangerous team than they would be if they just got two of them working. So I thought that was something that I noticed in plan, but also watching the films. It's like, man, they did a much better job putting Rudy in positions defensively to where he can take advantage as his strengths and not just be exposed.

then where he may have some weaknesses as everyone does. The NBA 82 game grind is done. Now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs, love them. They're here. Time for drama, clutch moments. Steph Curry, LeBron, jaw-dropping plays. I can't wait.

If you're looking to make the playoffs even more exciting, Draf King Sportsbook has you covered. They're the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Playing games all the way to the finals. Now's the time to back your favorite players and teams as they chase glory. So all season long, Draft King's been the go-to spot for NBA player props. That doesn't stop now.

If you want to make your playoff experience even more intense, try placing a bet on your favorite player's performance. Will they drop 30, 40? Who knows? Or more, it's your call. If you're ready to place your first bet, download the Draft King Sportsbook app takes 90 seconds, lock in your bets, and let's make the playoffs unforgettable. Here's something special for first-timers. Draft Kings customers that are new, bet five bucks, that's it, five bucks, and get $200 in bonus

bets instantly. Just make it a playoff run to remember with Draft Kings. Download their sportsbook app. It takes 90 seconds. The code's Colin. C-O-L-I-N. That is code Colin. New customers get 200 bucks in bonus bets, betting just five. Only on Draft Kings, the crown is yours. Gambling problem, call 1-800-Gambler. In New York, call 8778-Hop-N-Y or text Hope and Y 467-369. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-78-9-7777- or visit ccpg.com. Org. Please play responsibly.

On behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Resort in Kansas, 21 and over, agent eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Voiden, Ontario. New customers only. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. Four additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.com slash audio. They had time to watch out series against Houston. And like I was saying, I think what they caught on to was when you guys penetrate, you don't penetrate to score.

And so that's why they stay home. They were like, you know, we cannot, we don't want the warriors to shoot a high volume of three, whether stuff is on the floor or not. We want them to drive. And a lot of times I see, I call it purgatory. You get stuck in purgatory where it's like, oh, I got the ball. Damn, I don't have a three. Nobody is else to open.

I'm in the middle of the court, right, with a stamp or a move to the basket. But I'm looking out. I'm looking for, you know, my spot. And when Rudy didn't challenge at the basket, and they were able to stay home, especially how he was rotating him in and out, rotating the man with Looney, rotating them out, putting Nasree,

kind of, you know, confusing. I would say the offense and the defense, but I think they did a good job, was taking away the three and making you guys make twos. You guys did a good job. I want to say it was game three. I thought that game was had.

because you murkied the game, he went to the hole, you got steals, you know, you wasn't looking for the three, he was taking the three when it was opportune time. But like,

I think this era of basketball, like, it's like crazy, bro. Like, you can get to the front of the rim and, like, nobody's there. And then if Rudy Gober is there, like no disrespect to him

or big dudes, like, I don't know, in our era, we kind of like getting to the whole challenge in the big dude. I don't see that as much in this air, but I thought game three was probably our best game.

Yeah, I had to win. Game two, you know, I don't know what the fuck was happening. Which I'm game two, but. Game two, I felt like, I felt like we went into game two and we didn't think we could win. Like that was the feeling. That was the feeling that I had on the court was like, game two, we didn't feel like we can win.

Game three? We could have won. we should have won and I played fucking awful. That was terrible. Yeah, last five minutes was, oh, gosh. I was sitting at the house yellow. I never found the rhythm of the game. I played terrible.

So that's why we lost game three and I thought that's a game that we could have won. But I played terrible. In a situation like that, right? You're never going to get the benefit of the doubt. For sure. So the little files, and shit like that, that kind of really hurt

because, you know, on the dunk, you didn't even file them, but they're going to file it. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't file. You know, it was interesting, though. I got firing for that. And then you don't get the challenge, so you lose a time out.

So then we, yeah, and then they called the officer file on you with the comminga thing, which I thought, I think they replaced shit as stupid as hair. They can call a file before, Like, man, you're supposed to be judging was it a foul on comminga? Exactly. Not who grabs somebody.

That's the whole, man, that's the whole point of sports. Exactly. You got to be able to get away with little shit. Yeah, that's stupid. But I used to shoot jumpers and Earl Watson. He used to always do this. After I see you, I always do it. Like, just, and, you know, Shane Batiere would do this

to come put his hand right there. Like, man, we're going to go to the replay, right? And we're going to penalize. the person who trips Shane Batti, so he got right here. You know what I mean? I ain't looking at. I thought that hurt,

but man, I think gang two, y'all didn't think the Chalka win or think the Chalka could compete. Game three, it was like, oh shit, it's still one-one.

We can actually compete. And then I think it was just more, I don't know if it was fatigue or just not having that, oh, to get over the hump. And then from there, it was just like, all right. A big battle from that point.

We're going to fight. Yeah, we're going to fight and swing. Yeah, we're going to fight and swing. Yeah. But these dudes can fight too. Yeah. Yeah. It ain't, it ain't just like we're going to fight and we're going to win because they don't fight.

Like, no, they're still good and they fight. So that's kind of what the ball down to. Y'all going to wear it now because now it's like you fight and you're like, damn, man, where our knockout puncher at is like, damn, he's still over there. sitting. It's like if we could have stole another one and people was asking me about step, the injury, like somebody was like, man, when you just play, if you had, like, of course he would play if he could play. But if you can't play in the playoffs, you can't play. It ain't nothing you can do. And coming back, you got to be all the way right because you're literally

a half a quarter. Like I remember I pulled my half string in the Dallas. series. And if it wasn't for just the momentum, like my hamstring was torn. I was just like, fuck it. We're going to ride it to the wheels fall off. Right. But, you know, a stuff situation is different. He can't play. He can't move. So there's no reason to get out there. And now you're looking at your big puncher, your knockout punching like, damn, dude. All right, we're going to keep boxing and squabbing with these dudes. But like, damn our head, ooh, if we had our, if we had our knockout, guy over here, it'll be a different story. And so when you play it like that, you really

just, like you said, uphill battle playing a survive. But yeah, man, we've seen Steph play through a million injuries. Hamstrings, quads, calves, muscles. If he could have gave us 60%, I'd say no. If he could have gave us 70%,

I still say no. That's not the answer. So moving on, it was great to, you know, bounce back this year throughout the course of the year and not see a whole year just go to by the wayside. Really tough. You know, make, you know, give ourselves a chance.

But y'all had a chance to win it too. Absolutely. Y'all had a strong chance. You had a strong belief. And, man, the way y'all bounced back and, and put your name in the hat. You put your name back on the board outside of like, damn, we're about to be mediocre and get and be, you know, mid. You're not men no more.

You're back to being an athlete. Yeah. And I think we got a chance now where are you like, all right, so one of the toughest things, as you know, to do in this league is like, it's hard to fill the top of a roster, meaning you got staff. To then plug a Jimmy Butler in,

like that's a very hard thing to do in the NBA where how people work, with how franchises work, it's a very tough thing to do. I think we've done the tough part now. Like we added a Jimmy Butler. So now you can now look at your roster and say, okay, we want to improve here.

We want to add this thing because we now know, okay, this is the style of that game that Jimmy plays. We need to add X, right? Like now you're accounting for different things and you're able to really build this team the way it should be built. And so that to me headed into the off-season

is the exciting part, you know, of where it's like, yo, we got a chance to fine-tune this thing and put it together and give it another goal or two or three, you know? So I think we all can still compete at that level we've shown that. We know that regardless of what people may feel

is shown. We know we can still compete at that level, which is huge. Moving forward to the on to the off-season, I think we moved forward in a much better position this year than we were in last year. So I'm excited about that. Obviously, you know, this league is very unforgiving. You know, got to survive the offseason.

But we'll see what happened. Yeah, man, you know, offseason going to be tough. But I think for getting Jimmy mid-season, well, you told me mid-season was enough all-star game. Didn't you say that? Yes, okay. So, like, getting him towards the television this season and working that chemistry, but also I think it was a learning and discovery thing for Steve Kerr as well

because you had Jonathan Kaminga, you had a, I like to say, like you had a competitive team and young talent was emerging. Now you look at, you know, Comingas playing the playoffs in Houston, also in the Minnesota series. You know, the young guys being able to, with Steph coming up, with Steph not being able to close out that last series,

with the young guys being able to assume all those minutes. It's going to breed a lot of maturity for them, right? Talking about the Warriors' future, looking at next season, like, what do you think is going to be the focus? Most importantly, you know going into the summer that you've got to improve. Can't come back looking the exact same. You've gone into the summer, you've got to improve. So that's number one.

And I think everyone will have that mindset. I think as far as the young guys go, when you get those opportunities, that can be a gift and the curse, right? Like, you can get those opportunities sometimes before you may be ready for, you know. But I think we all believe as NBA players that we're always ready for it, right? The delusion in our minds as athletes, which is what allows us. us to make it to this point because you have to have some sort of delusion in your mind and believing that you're one of the 300 or 400 best players in the world to play in this league.

You have to have a little delusion in your mind to believe that. So we all have that thing. In this league, young guys will come in, including all of us that came in, and think you're ready for something before you are. that can be a gift in the curse in this league because you could have the potential to do something and not quite be ready in that moment, but you would then be judged off the moment

as opposed to the potential. As opposed to people never see you do it, then they'll just continue to say it's potential. But the potential could still be there even if you struggle in that moment. So for instance, I think Brandon Pajemski struggled a bit in this series right now. Now, I feel like his best game was probably the last game of the series. Because he struggled right now today in year two, a little bit in the series against some guys who's been through it now.

And because he struck, does that now mean that the potential isn't there? because he struggled a bit in this moment, or after year two and having that moment, does he now say, oh, okay, they did X, Y, and Z to me in this series that made me struggle. Now I know that. Now I can go get better and improve up on that thing.

That's what the summer for. Yeah. And then what an organization has to decide is, do I believe that that guy is going to do that work, right? I've been playing with it for two years now. I know he's one of the guys that will do that work. I actually got a text from him earlier today asking me, what do you think I need to improve up on this summer?

Right? Like, that is the type of kid that he is. And a young man, I'm not going to call him a kid. He's a young man. But that's the type of young man he is. He works. And so his thing, like, what do I need to do? What do you see that I need to be better at,

that I could do to improve up on myself next year, right? And so when I look at our young guys, they all show promise. They all grew from where they were last year. And so will every single one of them be back on this team next year? Just off short numbers in the way this business work? Probably not. That's with every team in the NBA.

That's just what it is. but I do think all of our young guys from BP, Moses, J.K., Trace, Gies Santos, Quinn Post, the list goes on and on. I think all of them show that they improved, they show promise, and in order to do that, they've shown work ethic. Where does it all shake out going into next year? Who knows, man, this business, you can never be so short, right? Like you're going to have to evaluate Jonathan Kaminga, right? Like, we all know his talent. We all know what we believe.

We all believe he could be. But now you have to make a huge financial commitment. Like it won't be JK at whatever his number is now. Like, it's a huge financial. So that has to look different for everybody, right? That has to look different for JK. First and foremost, he's the athlete, right? Like, he's the one that got to do the work.

He's the one that got to sign a contract. So it has to look different for him, first or foremost, right, from an organizational standpoint. All of that stuff has to come together. And I love J.K.'s answering this press conference. He said, listen, we all got to sit down and we got to figure it out. It's going to take a while to figure it off. Free agency does take a while. It's going to take a while to figure this out.

He said, but I appreciate Coach Kirk because he's helped me get here where I am at. And, man, that was such a responsible, great, well, thought answer because it's true. Because it's true. It's true. Like, has it always gone the way you wanted to go? No. But that's probably with 99% of basketball players in the NBA. If you talk to a guy, most guys are going to tell you, I could do more of this. They don't let me. Like, that's just the nature of what we do. Right. So we all have our trials and tribulation, our peaks in our valleys. Right. His, his, his

His valley was more on front street for everybody. Yes, but we all have our peaks in our valleys. And the reality is what he said is correct. I love the way he handled it. One thing is for certain. I said this in my ex-interview. Whether it's here or somewhere else, he's going to get paid and he's going to have a very bright future.

So I don't think he has anything to worry about. Everybody knows what he's capable of. He will get paid here or he will get paid somewhere else. that's it and that's all. And so I think the future for him is as bright as this ever been. Earlier this season, you talked about guaranteeing the championship. You know, you guys, I believe, and I'm not making excuses, I think, you know, with Steph, you had a good chance.

So, you know, you put yourself in an elite category earlier this season as well. Steph mentioned about the last ride. Right. And then he recently mentioned that he wants the ride to last as long as possible. Right. So now with Jimmy, right, now headed into the off season, are you back in this championship pedigree or championship guarantee pedigree? Because it wasn't cat, right? Now, that was speaking from what you guys felt. And earlier in the season, it was more so we just want to have an opportunity. and then now it's different, right?

Yeah, I think it's definitely different. I think, you know, our mindset going into next year will be that. Going into every year, I think every team say, yo, we want to compete for a championship and you know when that shit real and when it's not. Yeah, for real.

In the reality, for most people, it's very fake. It's not real, dude. He has to be a reality. I personally, believe and wholeheartedly, and we all do, that we will be right there next year, giving ourselves a shot at it, just like we was giving ourselves a shot at it. We gave ourselves a shot at it this year. And I think we will retool and make the roster make even more

sense and come back. And also, I think another thing that I'm looking forward to is we get to play a whole year. So we come out, we can take care of business and we ain't got to play catch-up all year. You know, like, we've been in the playoffs since February. Like, every game matter and intensity level, like, we've been in the playoffs since February just to get to the moment. And so I think for us now, being able to go through a full season and obviously you need to stay healthy and all of those things, like we can put ourselves in better position to be successful. And And I think, you know, that'll be big for us. But the goals will be the goals, which is coming out, competing,

trying to win a championship. That will be our goal 1,000 percent. I do believe we are capable of that. I stand on that 100%. So, you know, Jimmy, Steph, myself, we'll all be in the weeds, you know, trying to make it all make sense, you know, for what we believe we need, what it needs to look like. We'll be in the week, so.

Yeah, right back at. Man, and if y'all want to include me, I'm up, you know, for an assistant to the assistant gym, and if I would put my GM hat on, just saying what y'all need, I would say you just need dynamic athleticism and you need somebody with some game. Like somebody, like you need somebody that's, you know, You need that wild card score, that threat, that whether he's six, eight, and get to the hole,

just somebody who's just a scoring machine to the basket, catch three, just somebody who just, hey, man, if this dude get hot, we definitely win it. Right. And then, I would say dynamic athleticism, right? 610 versatility, seven-foot shot blocker that can run to the rim and dump. just a few little pieces like that because when you think about now, the way the league is transitioning

is getting back to the bigs, is getting back to the dominant power force, is getting back to second chance shots are the shots that are going to beat you. So a lot of threes long rebals, but second chance points, rebounds, that's always going to be the side factor.

And I just think for the Warriors, a little small, a little slow, right, but elite talent. And if you can mix some of that with, you know, some hyperactivity and some strong athleticism and people that can get to the road, you'll be outside. You talked about getting in the weeds, right?

You stuff and Jimmy getting in the weeds. You don't do that, usually, or ever, outside of the KD. You got in the weeds, got KD. So when you say I'm getting in the weeds, hmm, yeah, you just got to be involved. You're in somebody here. You got to be involved. You just got to have the conversations, man.

You got to, you know, because at the end of the day, when you're trying to compete for a championship, the front office may think they need to bring in a guy that you know, like, you know, I play against this guy. Like, he ain't it. You know what I'm saying? And so that's when I say, like, you got to get in the weeds. Like, there's just something.

And because, again, like I said, I think, you know, we filled out the roster at the top. And so with that being one of the toughest things, like, now you need guys, you know, like, yo, man, when we play against this guy, I love when they bring that, when that team bring that guy on the court. And now we're going to go sign him, like, nah, you don't want that guy, you know? And so when I say get in the weeds, like, that's what I mean. Like, you've got to give some input at times because what can be. be seen from the stands or what can be seen from some numbers. And it ain't always what it seems when you're trying to compete for a championship.

And sometimes the dude that plays great against you. And, you know, maybe the dude y'all looking for is sitting on somebody bitch that's super talented and playing behind one of these one or two scores. The league is full of scores. And the league is full of versatile scores. and I think the ability to bring someone into the game that can get their own money and get money for other people

just by default, right, is going to be a game changer for you guys because you already have highly talented, skilled guys that can catch and shoot, penetrate and shoot, you know, y'all learning how to make plays for each other, but you meet that one dude that's like, man, if he pop fake and get to the middle of the pay,

he's going to try and dunk. or finish or do something different, right? You need kind of like a counter. So the attack is not the same guy at every time. And that's where I'm thinking, like someone 6-8, 6-9 that can really get out of here and put some points on the board. And that's all we asked.

Who's a comp or somebody? Because to me it sounds like you're explaining like a superstar. So who is a comp or someone you're speaking of? Like if I were to cop, like on the guard side, I say like someone like a Lou Will, like a Lou Williams, like somebody who can just, is just dynamic at getting their own money, give him the ball, get out the way. If he cooks, we win every time because he knows how to who. And then I say on the other side, like, who is the next Pascal Seacama, who is the next

kind of I can make $45 million No, no, no, I'm saying that there's a young dude that plays like that on one of these teams, right? Some of these young dudes on Portland, right?

Charlotte got a couple, well, you know, young dudes that I'd say on the guard side, like Trey Mann, if y'all got him from Charlotte, that's somebody like that from the guard perspective. On the big guy side,

even the Sims or Mitchell Robinson. Somebody that's just got some, the dude the Lakers didn't want, the Charlotte kid, like Mark Williams. Yeah, somebody big, just, you need a big athletic person that can come in and play a lot of the,

a lot of junk minutes, right? And a lot of glue minutes because they'll be able to get a duck. You know, they have a big game, 18 rebounds, 14 rebounds. then it kind of take a lot of pressure off of the impact that you're going to have on your body next year. So I would bring in a bunch of young athletic dudes on top of the young dudes I got, but just kind of like dynamic talent that can just be the force that I need to get through the season.

So you're not banged up by the playoffs. No doubt. And then in the playoffs, now you got the hype. You used to have the hype. When y'all was winning the championships, you all had to height the size, and then when y'all go small, it was a wrap. Now you got to kind of get your height athleticism, but in that front court. Blending Vice's signature dynamic storytelling with the high-octane world of sports, Vice Sports brings an exciting and diverse range of programming that goes beyond the game.

Catch action-packed, live events, and exclusive sports documentaries and profiles only on Vice TV. You know, there's been some J-Mond news, robbing, and they've been fired at us. You know, Kenjit Perkins taking shots. You got the media taking shots. And we never discussed the angry black man moment. I don't mean to laugh at you, but I don't mean laugh at you. You know, listen, one thing's for certain. You are funny, though.

One thing's for certain is I know the name's Raymond affects TV ratings. That I am certain of. Yes. Another thing for certain is I've been doing it at an elite level for a very long time. And guys like that, per GUD, they've been waiting to shoot for a very long time. So in saying that, I don't really get bothered by them shooting. Like, it don't... No, that was...

They had a proper take. It don't really move me as far as them shooting. Now, I briefly just saw two seconds of what Perk was saying because I started watching it, and then y'all said I already said something about it. And so it's saying that I'm not actually sure what they said because I didn't hear it. But if they said what I think they said, they were right.

How they said it, you know, these guys, sometimes they go about... all the way of saying things where they make it personal. And I don't know that they did that. I would hope that they didn't do that because I could go in on that. But if they simply said

that I didn't play well, you did, you did say, man, you got your eyes kick. Oh, for sure. You know, Park just kind of do it his little ESPN way, but he compared you to Dennis Rodman and said,

Julius Randall wouldn't have a score That's the only thing I didn't like. Julius Randall won't score 40 on Dennis Robbins. It's like, man, you don't know. If Julius Randall is feeling like he was feeling in that series, there ain't nobody going to stop him. You know what I mean? Ain't nobody.

Like, he ain't thinking about nobody stopping him, bro. For sure. I'm also certain I can go find a playoff series where Dennis Rodman got dropped off. When you win at the levels of me and Dennis Rodman, when you win at the level that me and Dennis Rodman play and have won at, and you play the game.

the amount of series that we've played in meaningful series. There's somebody coming along. You're going to lose a battle. So, yeah, I don't take that personal at all. Like, I definitely lost that battle. But as far as the fan goes, listen, I don't give too much thought. I deal with fans a lot. That's just the nature of being who I am.

I don't get off into it. There were some racist things here in Minnesota. I also don't like giving these nobody's, like, moments to feel like they somebody. You know what I'm saying? So there were some racist things that it ain't the first time you get in these, these environments and racist things are said. And because I'm going to tell you what it is, fans are privileged. They are privileged.

And when I say they are privileged, they can pretty much say whatever they want. No boundaries. And if we say something back, we get in trouble. We lose money. We get fine. All the punishment comes to us. And so I don't really get off into it. Like the fans are going to say what they're going to say.

Yes, they were racist. Am I surprised in that place? No. I was very appreciative of Tim Connolly reached out to me. I woke up to a text from Tim Connolly the next morning, who's the president of Timberwolves, reached out immediately. Draymond, I'm sorry, this happened to you.

I saw Finchie's comments. I was appreciative of that. The way their organization handled it. Bless. Thank you. I appreciated that. I saw A ride on the sideline. He said something about it.

Listen, the way their organization responded, I'm very appreciative of it. I'm not one to give a nobody a moment to be somebody. You didn't, your life's work didn't leave you, lead you to having that moment to be somebody so it won't be given to you by me. The reason I made the angry black man statement was actually stemming from that. Whereas when we started that series in game one and even since post-Rudy-Gober incident that happened, which by the way, I was happy to play against Rudy Gaubert in a series because respect is gained

and earn or loss in a playoff series. And we've had our instances, and I was happy to stand face to face with demand and gain respect, where respect was, where there was an opportunity for respect to be earned because I am a firm believer in respect is earned during playoff series.

And he earned it. And so I was happy to have that moment. But in saying that, post Rudy Goberra incident, The reception I've gotten in Minnesota has not been that bad and as not near as bad as I actually thought it would be. So game one happens and nothing, right? Like the reception and they booed a little bit, not really.

Like, nah, like it wasn't hardly anything. And then we go into game two and I get the bullshit tech. And number one, my shoulder hit Nause-Reed, Facebook, but if I'm bent down trying to make a pass and you're hubbered above me and I lift up, my shoulder's going to hit you in the face. That is just impossible not to, unless he is like translucent. And my shoulders just like skims through his face without the physical presence. It is not.

So I get the bullshit tech. And the reason I was upset is because I've gotten the same bullshit tech from Tony Brothers before. And to me... And to me... And to me, the reason I was so upset and why I said the angry black man is because from me getting that tech, which, by the way, Rudy Gobert,

elbow Brandon Prasimski in his eye, he finished the season with a black eye, and they wouldn't review it. But then I get reviewed on this little thing and it's a tech. And so... And then the reception in Minnesota, so it goes to the roof.

And that's when then the racist stuff happened. And so my thing is you're gaslighting them. It's to make Draymond look like the angry black man and gaslight them. That's why I was so upset. It's because it's like, oh, here's the gaslighting. Right? Like they ain't on me like they could be or you may want them to be, which brings excitement to series when we involve Draymond and these things.

And so that's where the angry black man statement came from. And that's why I went on the tangent. I went on it. I was pissed off because it's like, yo, I haven't been dealing with this here, but you're going to gaslight this situation to make me look like the angry out-of-control black man. And quite frankly, they just took that clip. Is that what they did? The angry black man, I'm sorry.

It just really, it don't work. And then you get like people on TV that want to break it down with no context, right? So for all the idiots that tried to break it down and had no context, stupid again, that's where it all stem from, though. It's like, yo, you're gaslighting them because nothing's going on with me, so let's gaslight them and make this a bigger deal than what it is. That's why I was pissed off about it. That's where the statement came from.

And I still stand by that. Like, don't try to make me out to be the angry black man. I'm not. And by the way, don't gaslight them. Then the things that I have to deal with, the things that I have to deal with, like, from the gaslighting, it becomes way bigger than basketball, by the way, right? Because if I deal with those, like, I deal with those racing comments and I jump over that rail, then everybody got to fight.

Then everything. You know what I'm saying? And so just don't gaslight. That was my whole point. That's where I stand. I still stand on those same 10, no nothing changed for me. That's what it is.

You're not an angry, gray black man. I know that. You're actually a really nice guy, you're thoughtful, you were raised, right? You know what I mean? You humble. Like, I don't think people really, like, know the true you, but on the court,

you are kind of crazy. Which I have to explain. I have to explain to people. you come into the league to adapt a persona. And part of that persona is how you gain an advantage on how you play. Mm-hmm. Right? And a lot of times some guys fall into certain personas that they can't get out of, being soft, being lazy.

Oh, he don't care. Oh, he's quite, like, how many, how many quiet dudes be like, oh, man, he's soft, he don't care. And then they snap out. he was like, oh, I know he was crazy. Like, I know he was tough. So you have to have, like Dennis Robman had a persona, and that persona worked for him. Mm-hmm.

But you're not an angry black man. No, I'm not. And here's the thing, BD, it's funny because people will say, he is an angry black man, and then they show everything on a basketball court. And to be quite honest with you, I don't really give a damn whether they call it passion or not. I can care less what they call it.

Right. But I'll be honest with you. I find it hilarious when I see somebody going on a tangent. Like, he is an angry black man. Because look, and then they show shit on the basketball court. And I'm like, hmm, okay. You just sell me fucking someone up on a basketball court. Great.

That's what I like to do. Great. I have never once in my life told you all that I will not fuck someone up on the basketball, I absolutely will do that. That's the first thing I'm going to tell somebody. I will absolutely do that. We are competing for something. You're trying to take something from me that I'm trying to get.

I want that thing at all costs. Yes. I will go to Lames and being the winner that I am that you probably won't go, which is why you don't win like I win in life and whatever it is that you do. That is who I am. So yes. 1,000 percent. But I find it very

stupid when I see some media personality he's going on a tangent and then they try to back up. He's an angry black man by stuff that goes

on a basketball court and a job that's also entertainment. When I see people do that, I'm like, oh, yeah, you're an idiot because you took something that you saw on TV

that you saw in the game, and you thought, oh, I can tell you who this guy is. You're just as dumb as anyone else. And so, yes, for the dummy that tries to say, he is an angry black man. Look, he did this on the basketball. And then show the highlight tape. On a basketball court, I'm sorry, that don't back up your claim. It just don't.

You try to take that and make it out to be who Draymond Green is. That is who that basketball player is. You can't make that be me sitting right here. It don't work. It just don't work. You can try. You can continue, but it just doesn't work.

It only proves that you are fooled by WWE. It only prove that you believe every rap lyric you hear. It only proves that you believe everything you see on the 10 o'clock news. You're naive. You're too smart for your own good. That's your problem. That's your fucking problem. It only proves that you're naive.

Ron our test. Ron our test is the nicest person ever. That is my God. That is my buddy. Right? Hey, dude, he will do anything. It's night and day. It's almost catch you off guard.

Like night and day. Night and day. Being wellness. night and day. Ben Wallace will, man, he will fucking body slammy on the court. Nicest guy. Like, you know, it's like, it, when you're on that court, it's war, it's battle. It's like people don't understand that. Like, the game is physical. You getting hit. You get hit by mistake. It's a lot of organic clumsiness. And you jock in for, for three or four inches of space, right? So you can

have an advantage to make a shot, get a rebound, get a loose ball, set a pick. And so all that flumsiness, you need to be frustrated to play basketball. You need to have like a sense of frustration, a sense of anger, a little sense of hate, right? A little sense of like, uh, you feel like they did something to you. All that got to be bottled up in order for you to go out there and play at an elite level. You got to have an agenda, right? That agenda has to be so real. And sometimes you got to make shit up.

Absolutely. You got to make up a reason why you hate a dude. You got a man, right? And so... We was playing against Houston, and they got one of their security guys. That don't get me wrong, in a moment I was pissed off because when the thing happened with Franklin Vleek, Houston's one of their security guys, he grabbed my arms.

So when that whole thing was going on, who I was, who I was yelling at when I was yelling at when I was yelling, and that was him. Was it, yeah, like, bro, that you ever put your hands on. Oh, my God. Like, grab your guys.

Don't grab my arms. Because, by the way, my thing on that is, you grab my arms, and one of y'all guys start swinging on me. You ain't going to then let me go to swing back. Like, so I'm just at a disadvantage. Bro, that is, that is elementary.

Like, don't grab me. Don't, if you grab me and you, on the side, oh, that, you're jumping me. I'm going to automatically so I'm getting jumped, man. Absolutely. So it comes back through Big John, our security team, like, yo, you know, the security guy, he, y'all, they said something that he wanted to talk of it. And I was like, no, fuck that.

I don't want to talk to him. Like, don't grab me. By the way, I held onto that until after game seven, and then I saw him after game seven. And he was like, Drey, I was like. every game I ran right past him. Because when you're in a play, it's mental warfare, man. Like everything, everybody. Nah.

So I'm like, straight face past him. I don't see you. Don't want to talk. None of that whole series. I see him right out to game seven. He's like, I'm like, man, what's something? He like, man, you know what I mean? I'm like, yeah, so I love.

I was like, but you know I wasn't about to say a word to you during that series. No, I was on that now. Like, and that's what it was. That's what I'm saying. That's what it is. You're a nice guy. That's what it is. That is an example of a nice guy.

What do you think I would have did at game seven? You still would have been trying to fight. Oh, that would have been trying to fight. Hey, bro. You just still been trying to fight. I will catch you in the summer. Don't you ever put your hands on me, bro. Don't you ever grab it.

When I see you in the summer doing security, I'm going to arrest you. I'm going to be. You're going to make a citizen's arrest. Fuck around. Touch me, man. I know. I can't get at it. Like, that's what I'm saying.

You're a good guy, bro. Like, some dudes don't let shit go. Like, I'm not going to let things go. Stephen Jackson is not going to let shit go. But being angry, shit, you got to be angry out there on the floor. You have to be angry. You have to be angry. You have, it's an energy charge.

It's a, it's almost like an advantage, right? And the more that you can start to wind that into like this peaceful moment of being like a true assassin where it matches your skill and matches your basketball intellect, then you got a brand. That part. Because like Kobe Bryant hate everybody, bro. Kobe Bryant was angry if you scored, if he didn't get it. get the ball, if he didn't score. You know, it's like you get to that level of a Mamba or Steph,

right? These people, like, they're just as crazy and insane because all they're thinking about is cancellation. And they have the ability and the skill and the talent to annihilate you. So you have to be thinking like that

to have all those things charge you up. Let's move around to leave. Before we get out of here, man, we got game seven. Denver versus. This is OkC. It's been a great series. Joker been delivering. Julian Strath just stepped up last game for Denver.

But he was at home. You know, role players do play better at home. So, you know, Lou Dort stepped up the game before that to help OKC pull out game five. Yep. The old players do play better at home. So game seven, Joker versus Shea, who you got?

and why? Shit. You know what? I'm going to go with O KC. I think Jamar Murray had a really good game, game six. And I look at Denver and I look at Jamal Murray, like he's going to have a 40, 30 point game in the series. If he can get two, you know, Denver got a chance.

I don't think this game seven. I don't think this is a Jamal Murray game seven. I think it's going to be tight, right? People are going to be, you know, really having to work for shots. And at the end of the day, like you said, role players play better at home game seven. I think OKC wins a close one. But it's just hard to go against Joker

because if Denver can keep it close, you know, anything is possible with that dude because he's getting double-tied. I agree with you. And role players do play better at home. Except this is game seven. And anything goes. And I think the role players for the away team in game seven

ain't got nothing to lose because it's just game seven. It's game seven. So you got to shoot that shot where I was opposed to, I think it actually flips a bit. The home role players in game seven gets a little tighter because you're supposed to make this shot. You at home, y'all are supposed to win game seven. And so I think OKC needed to win game six after they went and took game five,

because they stole game five. They shouldn't have won game five in my opinion. I thought down the stretch last four minutes, four or five minutes, Shay started downhill like seven, eight minute mark. But then down the stretch, Lutard hit them big threes, like they stole one. Yeah, yeah. And Denver had been winning the game the whole game, right? So I think OKC stole game.

game five, you needed to come and capitalize on game six after you just stole one. I think now going into game seven, it flips. The pressure's all on OKC. And not only is the pressure on OKC because they're the one C, A, they've been this great all year, B. But there's also no less pressure on Denver because they've done it before. Like if they lose, they just go home. But guess what? Joker goes back to Serbia as an NBA champion still.

Jamal goes back to Toronto as an NBA champion still, right? So Aaron Gordon goes back to California or he's from here, but I don't know if he lives here, but as an NBA champion still, Christian Braun goes back to Lawrence school as an NBA champion still. So they don't have the pressure of we got to do it, man, and everybody thought we do it. Whereas OKC, I actually have that pressure as well. Well, so I just think all the pressure flips to OKC, and on top of all the pressure flipping to OKC, I think when it all boils down to it,

even outside of the pressure, Denver know how. They've been in these moments. They've been in these game sevens. Joker's been in these games sevens. Jamar, Aaron Gordon, Russ, they've been in these game sevens, man, and they got the know-how. And so I just think with the pressure flipping to OKC, Denver going to come in, cool as a fan.

That rim get a little smaller, you know what I'm saying? And so I'm going to roll with Denver on this one. Yeah, if it's close, Denver, OKC got to blow them out. But I think I'll say, OKC got that timing, man. If they can get out and get a 10-point lead, 10, 12-point lead, it's going to be hard for Denver to come back because I think OKC just got the crowd. They got multiple talented dudes that I can step up. So there's been a good series, game seven.

I'm looking forward to it. My Knicks, we have a chance to make it to the Eastern Conference finals since 1999. Do you think the Knicks close it out at home? They better close it out at home because they don't. And you got to go back to Boston for game seven. they might lose that month by 20. So they better close it out. They would come back.

Yeah. Nick's tape. I'm just saying they better close it out. Because if not, game seven, it's wrap. Reynolds. Hey, man, I think the Knicks closed this thing out. Man, we in New York. New York can't have this in a long time since 1999.

Damn near the year before I got drafted. Man, it's Knicks tape season. Listen, it would be beautiful to see the next to do it. Come on, man. I would love to see the Knicks. Come on. Make it to the conference funds. I think the New York Knicks fans deserve it.

I will wear a Knicks hat. They better win game six. I will wear a Knicks hat. You know, me from my L.A. hats. I only wear L.A. hats. But I wear Nix tape hats. Shout out to the Nix. They're going to take them down.

I like, K. I like Boston because I've never been a Boston Celtics fan ever in my life. I like some of the players on the team. I like a lot of the players

on the team. But I'm not room for no Boston, bro. It's Nick's right now. We're in the same spot. It got to happen. JT, my brother. Shout out to Nick's TV.

Shout out to the Knicks tape. Shout out to the old Nick's staff. I mean, that was some of the best times in my life. Even though I, you know, career in the injury, they took good care of me. Man, I may have

to fly. You know what? I'm on to fly the next day after they do the conference, after we get into the Eastern Conference finals, then I'll be that game one. Respect. Listen. I... Since you all didn't fucking win,

man, and I can't go get no more damn games. You was an hour flight away in the Clippers. They was like 20-minute drive. So now I got to fly all the way east to go get it. It gets me a play. Okay.

Hey, wait, so this whole Nix tape thing, y'all ain't make it to the conference finals? I don't think so. Nope. No, you know. We lost to Indiana. We lost to Indiana. The Nix tape thing happened because, like, it was really, like, when I got to New York, it was me, J.R., Shump, Mello. It was just, like, we all hung out together.

And we started the Nix tape so we could all stay together and kind of move like a unit. And so the Knicks tape became kind of like our marketing. So it was better off the court than it was on the court. No, it was great. No, it made, it made us better on the court. But y'all ain't win that. Y'all ain't even go to the conference finals. Not everybody goes to the finals and wins something.

So it was better off the court than on the court. Sometimes you have to build a culture. And what I'm telling you before, before, when you look at the Knicks, when I got there, it looked like everybody was segregated. Any and everybody was a star. Any and everybody could go out, had an entourage, and it wasn't about Knicks basketball. The Knicks tape made the Knicks tape about basketball.

Y'all come to Rock S. play. It's almost like the Steel Curtain for Pissport. They want championships. Don't do that. What? Still curtain won championships. Yeah, but that's a mantra, bro. No, you have to start as a, you have to start as a mantra.

or like you have to have a mantra or energy if you ain't just berfin championship pedigree and I have a championship system and so you have to find ways that change the culture. So right now they're still benefiting from next state? Right now, Jay LaBosecic.

No, no, no, that's just my era. Oh, that's just your era. Okay, okay, okay. I thought I was still rolling with that. But I still say next stave. Everybody that played in our area still say Nick's take and we call them the next tape because they have a reunion?

They exude the, energy. Y'all don't have reunion? When they win the championship, you want to come? No. We're going to invite your ass. Since you want to harass me,

but I'm my next day. It's like Dubnation. You know what I mean? Dove Mason became like a mantra. We believe that shit was just a slogan. It was kind of like what defined us, but it wasn't something that we could carry on.

You feel, saying because y'all ain't win. That's why it ain't cars. Well, it's a lot of factors going to win in, Jemann. You're just lucky. No. You're just lucky. You're just, you're lucky.

And part of basketball is luck. There's definitely some luck. Guess what? It's a lot. You got to have a lot of luck. You got to have a lot of luck to get drafted where you draft and go to the team where you want to. We believe what it's stuck if you all won a championship. Bro, we will beat you on. right now.

Swear to God. Swear to God. We will beat this year. The We Believe team will get in shape and beat this year's playoff team. Guarantee Summer September. Can I share a secret

with you? Can I share a secret with you that I've never shared with you before? Go ahead. The Warriors history was so bad that early on in my career,

me, Steph Clay, we'd be at Oracle Arena and they'd have these moments. And they would, every moment at every one single time in every game, they would go to a fair, a season ticket holder of the game, and they put the microphone in their face. And they say, oh, season ticket holder of the game, such and such from Santa Rosa. I've been a season ticket holder since 1982.

Oh, great way. And what's your favorite warrior's moment? And the most common ones were Baron Davis dunk on Andre and Carolinko in the We Believe season. Now, the Baron Davis dunk on Andre Carolinko, we all loved, right? Like, we respected this stuff. We fucking pulled a shirt up like that. Like, we actually all loved and respected that moment. But then they would say, we believe, and we used to look at each other and laugh and be like,

man, these people are really celebrating like a first round win. And it's crazy to us. Like, we really got to change just like this is just, this is insane BD. And so I just wanted to share that a little secret with you. We used to laugh at you. I agree. I agree. But we love y'all.

Hey, bro, every team that has a history, when you go off for championships, I would have said the same thing. They celebrating, when I got here, they celebrated nothing. There was nothing to celebrate. It was dead as a door now. So when you breathe life, then that's how you get the next generation of babies. I don't hate on you.

I just consider to drink. Jamon, Clay, Clay, Clay. I've been just letting you shoot all the day. I shoot back. Just so you know. September 30th. We believe. You want to do it?

Yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. It'd be worse. It'd be worse to play the Houston Rockets in the playoff series. We can hold more than they were. Don't we not.

We're going to play a game to seven. We're going to play five games to seven. Pick up. Locked in. I already see how you play Donald Mills. You lost. You should just left it out. You should have just left it out.

All right. Let's just left it out. I would, bro. when I was saying. Just let it be. I wasn't going to even say nothing. Hey, my brother. Hey, my brother's having a bad day, ladies and gentlemen.

He laughing out. And sometimes, like the big, bro, you get out. Let's a little, bro. You get it. If you ever want anything in your life, people, you know that's bullshit. If you ever want anything,

you know, the first, first thing. somebody going to do what they lose. Okay. Act like they let you do it. I had. I had. I had.

Jaymond Green. Right here. Walk him down. Right here. Everybody right here. Jemond Green right here. And they didn't talk for an hour. That's correct.

That's sick. That's ridiculous. Do we play a head up? We both beat you. Wait. Wait. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have to go. I have to go.

I have to go. I have to go. But. Oh, my God. I can say, I can say, I seen how you and Jimmy communicate. And I see during the Domino game, y'all was coaching each other and talking the game, which is not accepted. But y'all got good chemistry. And I believe next year, the way y'all communicate and the way y'all was improving in Domino's, man, watch out for the Warriors.

Because Jermine and Jimmy just getting close. Hold them else. Hold them else, player. It's just a loss. It's just a loss, you know. The sunshine on the dark hands once a day. Yeah, hold that. As we get close to the end, first I wanted to say,

get well soon to my boy, Jason Tateau. Yes, sir. Damn, we ain't get a chance to say, get well soon to him is. All my legends, all my dudes was out. Got big love for him. But we got to take a TV timeout. The guy, Emmanuel Acho, he had to take on Tatum's mental toughness by saying,

I don't think the Celtics are better without Tatum. I think they match up better mentally. Then KD responded. And KD said, hot take artists have ruined the sport. football guys, no disrespect. But child boys need to stay in your lands. You don't know what it's like in between these lines. Man, give it a break.

Dudes who quit football early to pursue media, taking mental toughness, talk in mental toughness, cut it out. Then Ocho had a whole video saying that, you know, when you respect the game and you have a respect for the game, you're able to chime in and give a penitaph And then he went up for Katie on the leaderships and Katie didn't want to be a leader. He quoted him on that and tried to bring it back.

I don't know if you've been paying attention. You know, you just got off of work. What was your thoughts on the exchange, especially since he's talking about Katie leadership during his years with the wars? My thoughts on the exchange was like, Jason Taylor was an NBA champion and a two-time gold medalist. but even more so than the Olympic gold medicine and by the way, I went through the Olympics with Jason Stato mentally

it wasn't the easiest like you're stuck in a hotel in Tokyo cannot go outside for three and a half weeks unless you're going to the gym having to win like the whole world on you

and JT played a much bigger role in that Olympics than he did this past one having to win while everybody in America is saying you're going to lose, why y'all going to lose, how y'all not good enough. You got Americans rooting against America in the Olympics. You turn on an American talk show and they're crushing the USA Olympic team. So to KD.'s point about ruining the sport, I get what KD's going at.

KD was also on that team as well. But even more so the NBA championship than the Olympics. because somebody will say, oh, your own team USA, team USA always win as if it's not hard. So I'll just kill that argument for you. An NBA championship requires a level of mental toughness that most people have no idea it even requires. You know why?

To get there, they didn't understand. I can't understand it. You didn't get there to do it. You got to get there. Yeah. And so to say, Jason Tatum doesn't have mental toughness. For me, it just don't work because Jason Tatum is an NBA champion.

And so to try to make a point, because you can't say they're a better team without Jason Tatum, you're just going to look like a complete idiot if you say that. So to find something to try to make that statement to me is kind of whack. It actually puts you in the position to be spoke to the way Katie spoke about you. And not that I think, oh, because you play football, you can't talk basketball, because I don't believe that. But because I thought Acho made great points about it, you study something, that's all our league is.

Like some front offices in our league are people that study numbers and then learn the game of basketball, right? So, like, I agree with Acho. You can't study the game and learn it. However, to start talking mental toughness would be implying that you know the mental toughness that it takes to do that thing. And you don't know that. Like you don't know the level of mental toughness that it takes in order to win an

NBA championship. In order to be the most important player or second most important player, third most important player on NBA championship team, you don't know the level of mental toughness that it takes. So the take becomes very hot just on that alone because you just made this about mental toughness and you can't speak to that. Like, not because you're a football player, but you don't know the level of mental toughness

that it takes to win a championship, period, because you also didn't win a football one. So it's not that you can't speak because of you were football and not basketball. It's just that when you start making it about a specific thing, this time being mental toughness, you don't know that level. And so it's hard to hear you speak on it.

But even if you do speak on it, it's hard to hear it and like agree, even just to simply agree, because Jason Tatum is an NBA champion as the face of a franchise. Like, he's not just an NBA champion that became, he's the face of an entire franchise and became an NBA champion. And so I'm not hearing the mental toughness. Like, that don't work with me. Now, to go at Katie and question his leadership and all that,

they've been questioned the same thing for years. It doesn't matter. It is what it is. He is a star, a legend, a goal, a champion of Olympic gold medalist three times or four times, one of the two. Four times, four times. Like, you can't go at Katie's games so you start talking about a leadership. That's what people do, right? And so, listen.

their back and forth is what it is. I just don't really understand trying to, the whole, like, people be trying to, like, dampen people legacy. Like, that, that to me, yeah, KD is KD. Point Bank, period. If there's anything that, if you need to see, it simply put, there's a video out there where he said,

you know who I am, you know who I am? Yeah, y'all know who I am, right? I'm KD. Like, there couldn't be anything out there in the world that can better sum this up for you. You know who I am. You know who I am? Y'all, I'm Katie. So I'm not in the whole you, like, you can't talk football because you don't play or you can't talk basketball.

I don't believe that. But to start talking mental toughness, that to me, you lose me. Or start talking leadership. Especially, especially if you lose. Especially if you ain't mentally tough. Yeah. Like that's like... I can't, like, you comment on somebody's mental toughness.

Like, we say a lot of shit. And sometimes, like, we don't know what we said. And he was saying, oh, like, he questioned the mental toughness. But what he was really trying to say is, like, Jalen Brown is a more mentally tough leader. That's what he was trying to say. And the way he plays is, like, they shouldn't lose anything. They should get.

gain something because now Jalen Brown, he's the next leader up and they're going to assume his personality. But I just don't think that he understands what it means to be Jason Tatum, right? And what it means to be Jaylon Brown. And when you talk about mental toughness and one plays one way, one plays the other way, you're still a dog. Right? But you know, another thing I ain't like about Adobe, D?

is why are you pitting two teammates against each other? Like, they're actually teammates. They're supposed to complement each other. If you had two J.L. Browns, it probably don't work. If Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, I am here to tell you they wouldn't be teammates this long. Like, it actually is strategically set up that way. Like, Jason Tatum to be one way and for Jalen Brown to be one way. That is actually how Brad Stevens built the team.

start well, Danny Ains, but then Brad Stevens to retool around. It's actually set up for them to be completely different players. So again, to try to pit them against each other, but in the same token, say, but he played this style and he played that style. Yeah. It doesn't matter. He and Steph Curry don't play the same style. Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry don't play the same style because if any of us did,

it probably doesn't work. And so I didn't understand that part either. part. I was like, but why are we doing this thing again? Like, it's him versus him. No, those two guys are champions together. They're supposed to compliment each other. That's how the game works. And with that, what Jay said, you know, I don't do the outroes, but we out. This is the Jamar Show. That's J. Ma'am with Darren Davis. That's me. Until next time, Dove fans, NBA fans, basketball fans, keep rocking with us. We out.