The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Zach Edey Altercation Explained, Will Wemby Impact the NBA like Steph, Derrick Rose Stories & Gelo Ball’s New Track

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Draymond Green and Baron Davis discuss various topics, including the rivalry between Zach Edey and the Memphis Grizzlies (5:00), the origin of Draymond's viral "BOOM" celebration (26:00), and favorite trash-talk stories (31:15). They debate whether Victor Wembanyama can match Steph Curry's legacy (34:30) and weigh in on the fairness of Jimmy Butler's seven-game suspension (58:30). Additionally, they talk about the Detroit Pistons' growth (1:08:45) and share Derrick Rose stories (1:31:15). Draymond also hears Gelo Ball's new song, "TWEAKER," for the first time (1:38:30). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Herd Follow The Draymond Green Show on social media:  https://www.instagram.com/draymondshow https://x.com/DraymondShow https://www.facebook.com/people/Draym... https://www.tiktok.com/@draymondgreen...  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The volume. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show with B.D. My dog. What's up, my brother? What's up, bro? Happy New Year's. I see you.

I appreciate it. You know what I mean? Hey, bro. Hey, the big dog needs some rest. Hey, listen. First off, happy New Year to you as well. Happy New Year. Yeah, bro.

Yeah, my son. My kids are still out of school. Until Wednesday. I'm tired. I can imagine. I assumed that they were going back to school on Monday. So my wife broke the news to me on Sunday that they don't go back to school to Wednesday.

And so, you know, the house has been a bit interesting today. A lot of energy. And so I finally made it here. If I lack energy, just know they took it from me. No, I already know. I appreciate my brother. I still. I got 10, 8, 4, and 1.

Damn, dude. I got 10 and 8, you know, and they just went back to school. Yeah, I got a birthday party where I don't have been on so many roller coasters. Like, I'm dizzy. You know what I mean? Like, I woke up one morning. my eyes was crossed and I didn't know why, bro,

because I was on a roller coasters for like every other day over the Christmas break. So I feel you. You know what I mean? I'm just trying to get some balance. Listen, I am. But before we get into the episode,

please make sure y'all subscribe to the Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis so you don't miss any episodes. Yeah, that's right. Follow the show on all social media platforms at Draymond's show.

you don't miss none of our announcements. And this episode, we'll be answering questions from the fans, of course. We're going to start with some basketball questions because we've got to get back into the groove. And we're going to get some of the more bizarre out there questions you guys asked us. But, you know, for the most part, Dubnation, what's happening? The first one, from Maidit to the Cup to Draymond, is there a real beast? between you and Zach Eady, or is it more Warriors versus Memphis?

Oh, that's an interesting one. Before you answer that, I do want to give you credit when you said he plays in the NBA, right? Like that people don't understand that that is the highest compliment to give someone, you know what I mean? but people, that's what it is.

It's a compliment. It is a high compliment. You know what I mean? And so now you can ask the question about the... Absolutely. Yeah, the reporter asked me, he's like, do you think Zach Edie's a good basketball? Like, he's an NBA.

He's a good player? Like, he's an NBA player. Right. What do you mean? I think so many people, like you said, people just get it mixed up. Like, if you're in the NBA, you do something well in basketball.

It's like very well. Like it's great. The reality of us. So asking me like, is he a good player to kind of entice something? Trying to get me to go off the red. Like, no, he's in the NBA.

Like, I ain't one of these clowns that's going to be like, no, he suck. Like, no, bro, he's in the NBA. Like, leaping at that. But is there a real, beef. I mean, I don't,

he hasn't done enough in the NBA for there to be a real beef. Kind of the way that I interpret it, what it feels like to me is,

all right, so you know how. Yeah. I don't know if y'all know. I do. So it's like, if someone, if someone has been built up

to be like, you're getting pumped up. It's bully. Yeah. Which they try to build me up to be. It's like, like the big bad bully. Then for him it's like, all right,

someone has told me so many times that I can't get bullied bodies dude to where I'm just come out like, ah, like overly doing stuff. So you don't bully me. And the reality is when you do that, being who I am

and like the amount of experience that I have with, you know, just what I do, when you do that you're kind of overdoing it. And so you kind of show that you're a little softer than most just by overdoing it. And so the way that it ends up coming off to me is like they've told him so many times, like you got to go ahead.

And then it's just like, bro, that didn't even make sense. Like, you know, that's like every time you get near him, he wants to like deliver a blow. It's like, yeah, I watch you play and you don't do that. So what that shows me is that someone has told you like, yo, you got to be ready for him and you got to do this and you got to do that. And it's like overzealous. So, no, there's no real beef with Zach Eady. And Memphis, you know, we played them in a couple of playoffs series,

two or three of the old Grizzlies with the big homie Zibo and Markasaw, you know, Mike Conley, T.A. Yeah. You know, we played them on our rise to greatness. Yeah. And we were able to knock them out on the way to our first. Anytime you play someone in a playoff series, it automatically builds like this strife between you.

And so then there was kind of that strife amongst us from that. You know, in fast forward, we end up playing them again on the way to another championship. And so we beat them again. And when we beat them again, you know, again, it creates this like strife of like, and then it really creates a strife. It's one thing if you beat them in the first round and then you're losing the second round.

It really creates a strife. But, I mean, it really, like, it creates a little strife but not crazy. But when you go on and win a championship and you beat them on your way, like the next year they come back, it's really like, and that's kind of what it is with Memphis. whereas like every time we see them, it's a battle.

And in large part due to they haven't beaten us in a playoff series. And so they're like a little, they're like the overzealous, you know, team that want to act like it's a rivalry. But it really can't, you know, it really can't be a rivalry until both teams are winning. Needless to say, there's a competitive respect amongst us that, they get up for us and we get up for them. Yeah, for sure. I would say that.

I would say like, it's almost like this young Memphis squad, they came in and they're like, y'all going to pay attention to us. You feel what I'm saying? It's like, nah, y'all, not, y'all not, y'all not going to treat us like that.

You know what I mean? And they made themselves. You know what I mean? To one be able to get into playoffs to have this record. And so it's kind of like a little brother bravado. Yep. 100% That's like, we're going to keep knocking,

we're going to keep knocking. And so it just kind of raised an Annie for Big Brother to say, okay, yeah, we're going to keep fighting too, but, you know, we know a lot of things. Y'all don't know. You know what I mean? And so that experience, you know,

at some point, and then when you look at what Memphis needs to accomplish to get over the hump, and you look at Zach Eadie, right? It's like, you need him to be the enforcer that you miss is Stephen Adams, but he has to understand as a young player that you enforce your game.

You know what I mean? You enforce your game. And so, I mean, to me, of course, it ain't no beef because he's a young, he's a young player, and he's just trying to figure out how to step up, you know what I mean, and meet the challenge.

And it's just like you're planning, against a dude who's done this over and over and over again. So you kind of like, if you don't figure it out, he had your mercy anyway. So, you know, but at the same time that when you look at the game, it's like what I don't like, what I feel is unfair is you're not allowed to do that. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? And the history of the league is always like the veterans are allowed to like turn.

young young men to grown men in the league. Absolutely. You know what I mean? And so that's what the league is missing a lot. And I say like, you know, I said like, you know, just kind of like I know that the refs letting people play. But if you're going to let people play, then you got to let, you know, like basketball is a game of like space.

You know what I mean? And how much space can you take up and take advantage? So if somebody get accidentally hit or grabbed or pulled or wrestle to the ground, not everything is the flag or foul. Not everything is, you know, to go to review. You know what I mean? Like, not every time somebody go to the hole and fall hard. You know what I'm saying?

And so, like, we got to loosen up that because they're not letting you kind of be the vet. And to me, it's kind of, you know, excuse my friends, it's fucking the game up because you don't have no rivalry. You know what I mean? You don't have like that tussle was a nothing. You know what I mean? Yeah, moving on. Call the first file. Yes. I'm saying call the first file. Like if you're going to call a flagrant file, you know what I mean? Like that don't make no, that don't make no sense when you wrapping somebody up. People have been wrapped up plenty of times. You know what I mean? Going to the hole in worse situations. And so if we

calling it to protect these young dudes and if we're calling it protection, that ain't really no protection because they should be the ones who kind of like get groomed in the bill. He should be doing that to the next young center that's coming in the league five,

six years from now. 100%. That's the way it used to be. And you know, like when I came in the league, obviously when you came in, like I remember Zeebo doing me like this and Mark Jackson said to me like, wow, you're going to let him pass your head like that? And it was, it was such a moment for me of like, I don't let nobody touch my head.

But that's my big homie. Like, so a part of me wanted to like, ah, like. Yeah, yeah. But the reality is, it's like, that's the OG. Like, as much as I want to knock up, like, like, bro, touch my head. I'm going to get a call from Tom Isol. the next day. I'm going to get a call from Martin Cleese the next day

and Jason Richardson the next day and I'm going to only get those calls if Zbo even allowed me to make it to that call because how dare you disrespect me to big homie? Like, are you out of your mind? So, just putting it in terms of like, street I don't even know if you're making it to that

call because of what I've done to you all already. Like, you ain't make it. They're not going to even going to make it to call you. Right? Like, that's that's how I was right. Respect. Oh, the fan? Yeah, certain levels of respect.

And so when you look at this league, though, so for instance, we played the Lakers on, was it Christmas Day? Yeah, happy Christmas Day. Yeah, it was Christmas. And I got a tech because Darden Connect called me a little bitch. Oh, that's not.

See. And I said, shut up. I got a tech. Now, mind you, the referee is standing on this side. and looking straight at him, talk to me, and then I got a tank. Listen, bro. Which is insanity. And so then fast forward to the Grizzlies game, to start the play,

I'm going for the rebound, I get shoved in the back by a rookie. Yeah. Then I, by a hard wrap him up. Like, don't let him. He outweighs me by 90 pounds and nine inches. Mm-hmm. So I'm not foul and soft and giving up a layup. Like, and then I get a flag on file.

So after you not call it on a rookie, then I get a tech. It's crazy. Like, when I came in the league, you're a rookie, you just, you don't get a call. Like, that's just not what's happening. Like, and referees would tell you, like, man, if you don't get out of my face, you know, got no resume.

Like, referees would say that to you. They used to say that all the time. Like, why do you think I should call something? for you. Right. Like, referees would say that. And so when people say something's wrong with the game, it's the same thing that's wrong a lot of times in the streets. The hierarchy is gone. So there's no respect to those and what they went through before you. And in our league, you got, that's two games in a row against rookies that, against a champion, all-star, defensive player a year, I get tech and flag on files over a rookie.

So then they never have to earn nothing. So then because you never have to earn nothing, there's never any animosity. There's never any to grant, none of that. And so you get contracts off potential. you get respect off a draft position. Yeah. And they never have to earn anything. And so then you say, well, what's wrong with the game?

You tell me what young guy is a rival to what young guy? I wait. I wait. You won't. And that's going to continue. Yeah. And that's going to continue to be lost. And it ain't no rivals.

It ain't no beef. It ain't no like, you know what I mean? and now I think that's what the league need. You know, even, I mean, going back to the episodes to coach from Boston, like, maybe we need a scrap. You know what I mean? Not like we really need a scrap, but we need that mentality is gone, the passion.

You know what I mean? Intensity to like, no, we're not giving up no layups. You know what I mean? Like, no, none of this funny shit is going down. And, you know, the B word is not even tolerated, bro. That's Listen, It's crazy, right?

Hey, Doug, you know KG, right? So KG, cold-blooded. KG, a cold piece of work. We plan at Golden State. He planned for Minnesota. Somebody filed KG. I forgot who filed. He said,

I'm tired of all these B words. And he said it again. Now, back in our air, the referee couldn't even give KG the ball. until he identified, who is you talking to? He had five deals. He was like, man, play ball. Play ball.

Who's like, oh, bro? What are you talking to? Who are you talking to? Leave that ball and get that ball out of here. The lead game, all that. We need answers. But when you know, KG, that's like, he's trying to get under your skin.

You know what I mean? And I was like, damn, okay, that's his psych out. But that word is not even tolerated. especially from a rookie. You know what I mean? A rookie. A rookie. Hey, that is just not the word.

How about this? I got an interesting one for you. I got an interesting one for you. I got word that came back to me that came from a reporter that Zach Eadie was told by a referee, hey, don't let him get in your head. Now, that's insane. Don't let him get in your head. bro you might as well put a polo on and go sit on their bench

that's weak at the rate that you're going to a player on another team and saying hey don't let him get in your head a rookie at that you might as well give him a bottle of start nursing you know what I'm saying that's that's what that's what those are the things that's going on in the NBA today NFL playoffs we're talking about NFL playoffs you bet we are Get in on the action at Draft King's Sportsbook. An official sports betting partner of the NFL scoring touchdowns is a key to winning in the NFL playoffs and the key to you scoring big is betting on them at Draft King's the number one place to bet touchdowns.

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Four additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.co slash audio. In that same game, I get a tech for saying, boom, on the three. Oh, yeah, that was the next question. How and when? When did you start saying, boom? I like that, though. Hey, the boom.

Hit him with the boom. You know what's crazy? So we kind of started standing last year where I shoot the three and, you know, we hit him with the boom. And this is me. And then the whole bench joining in an AV really led the leader of the charge Anthony Vrain. He the leader of the consortium with me from the bench side. And we, and we shoot, I shoot it. They go, boom.

And so I say it on the court, you know, and my thing to them is like, they all look, when I don't say it, they be hot. They be like, yo, we booming over here. You ain't said boom. I'm like, I heard all I got. I'm running back. I hit the three. Boom. I like that.

I like that. Tech. That's okay. I get the tech for the boom in the same game that I get a flagrant file for. And by the way, on the flagrant file, I hit. Get the ball on top of that. Right. Like, so again, these are just the things that's going on in the NBA.

And again, you ask why, you wonder why the ratings are down. That's a momentum killing. That's a, like, you need that. Because, like, nobody wants to see some young guy that ain't proven nothing. Get star treatment. Like, that ain't anybody paying to see that. They ain't no dudes. And they got superstars on their team.

Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, not my rent don't either. Me and Jai was talking like that to each other. If I found Jai like that, he wouldn't get that type of treatment. But you got rookies getting that type of treatment. That's wild. Because referees, you know, they probably feel like they've been beat up on a little too much over the years. And so they're trying to, I don't know, man.

It's weird out here. It's weird. It's real weird out here. And at some point, they just got to figure out what these people plan to see. what's the product? What kind of what's the intensity level? We need some story law

and some back stories. It needs to be, you know, it needs to be big brother beat up on little brother and then little brother fight back and start punching and then that's how you build a rivalry.

But you cannot, like they got, you know, like, and I do give a shout out to Memphis because they're trying to earn their shit. You know what I mean? However,

tactics or whatnot, but Ja and them young dudes, they're trying to earn, they're trying to earn their stripes, you know what I mean, and you got a lot of young O'KC. They trying to earn their stripes, you know what I mean? Even like a Houston, they're trying to earn their stripes, put their name out there,

you know what I mean, put their self in position in it. They don't, Detroit Pistons, Pistons coming. Pistons coming. Don't leave them. Yeah, I wasn't even on the east. I was just thinking about, you know, the West.

but the pistons is cracking, you know what I mean? Orlando cracking, Cleveland cracking. And like you got people like trying to make a name for their self. And the history of the game is like somebody had to overcome. Tim Duncan is Shaq. You know what I mean? Like Kobe and Tim Duncan, like people had to overcome somebody, you know what I mean? From the superstar level, from the team superstar level.

but like the shit wasn't easy. And if you start watering the shit, if you start watering the shit down, you know what I mean? And like there's no pecking, like the league is about pecking order. It's always been about pecking order.

You know what I mean? Like it's always been about pecking order. Do I think I'm going to get a call on GP or Jason Keel? No. Chance you get that call. You know what I mean? But, hey, I'm not going to stop fighting.

You know what I mean? I'm not going to stop fighting, but like you can't take the fight. You can't take the fight out of the game when it's lesser value players can get more attention than the superstars. What is the best Steph Curry-tri-tri's talk you've heard from him or any teammate? And that's from Hunter, Bum, Gardner, 11. I think the one where Steph was talking to Jay Lambron, when he hit the shot fake and he stepped through and hit the three at the bus,

and he started pointing. He took his mouthpiece out. Yeah. He started pointing out of what he was saying to Jalen Brown right there in that moment. I don't know. He was a really, boy, like. What he was saying to J. LeBron in that moment was one of my favorite moments.

I'll give you three of my favorite moments. That one was one of my favorite moments. When Clay hit the three and Dylan Brooks fell over and Clay ran over to him pointing in his face while you're on the ground, I really enjoyed that moment. And KD just had all these slick one-liners, man. That KD had hit you with a crazy

one-liner, like out of nowhere. And I would enjoy those moments. And then from my rookie year, Kendra Perkins was on the Oklahoma City Thunder. And, you know, we're a young, up-and-coming team.

Not even up-and-comer. We're just young. Steph, you know, getting off the ankle surgeries. Clay had a decent end of a rookie year. We just young. And Jared Jackson are a team. So Kendrick Perkins, you know, he had just won a championship a few years prior with Boston, got his contract in OKC. You know, he's filling himself.

He's talking to our bench. And I'm a bark. I'm always bark, been barking. But, you know, when you were, a rookie, again back to a rookie, like, that ain't really carrying no weight. I'm barking. You're going to hear me bark. But they're like, man, shut up.

Like, you ain't got no stripes? Who are you? Like, shut up. Right, but I'm going to always keep barking. That's just like, yeah. But they ain't hearing none of that. So, Jared Jack, being the vet that he is being around this league, knows that y'all can keep talking and they ain't going to listen, like, because y'all ain't done nothing, right?

So, Jack started barking. And Jack, if you know Jack, Jack, Jack don't get into it with many people. Jack ain't. Jack is in something. Yeah, that's smooth. Jack only going to come in at the point where it's like, hey, man, enough.

Like, that's when Jack going to say something. And so Jack finally like, yo, bro, you keep talking over here. Like, late again, man, and Kendra Perkins start talking junk to Jack. Like, yeah. And he mentions his contract. I think at that time Perk had. that just signed four for 32, if I'm not mistaken, which, again, at that time was big money,

which, again, $8 million a year, still a lot of money. I'm not in real life, but I'm just talking about it. In terms of NBA salary, at the time, that's big money. I think at the time, the max salary is like 14.

Perth, yells to the bench, you know, like, yeah, something about this bag. Like, I got paid. And Jack, like, Jack, going back and like, man, you ain't like that. Like, keep yelling over here. He's like, oh, I got paid. I can make this money.

And Jack was like, and people make mistakes every day. People make mistakes every single day. You know, you trash, Nick. I really enjoyed that moment because it was one of the ones were like the OG was coming out of defense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I really enjoyed that one. I really. That was one of my favorite one. Shout out to my boy, Jared Jack. This one. Next question from Ground Cover Farm. Does Wimby have the capacity to change the game with the same impact as Steph? Hell yeah.

I mean, when I listen to you and how you talk about, like, defenses change for stuff, right? And like coverages in a whole different style, I look at Wimby and say like, yo, this this dude is still a kid, right? And, you know, he has every opportunity different than Steph coming in. You know what I mean? To like be a superstar from the get-go. And so Steph is iconic because he is self-made. He is a self-made superstar and a self-made iconic. upper echelon player and a game changing.

Wimby came in the game as a game changing. You know what I mean? And so I think from an impact perspective, you're not, one, he's a rarity. You know what I mean? And so there could be, as it has already become, a trend of highly skilled,

big guys. You know what I mean? Like we seen Joker and was like, damn, dude, like a point center, that's crazy. Now you see it Wimby and it's like a 7-6 shooting guard. You know what I mean? And you saw KD

and it was like, damn, a 7-foot shooting guard, you know what I mean? And so like, this dude is he got a little KD. You know what I mean? He learned how to be a little Janus this year. You know what I mean? He's just

he's he's just looks like a sponge that's having the best time out there you know what I mean and he ain't afraid to go for the greatest you know what I mean the greatest title the great you know what I mean the greatest thing so that's my thought I think hell no there's a zero percent chance uh wimby's impact can be the same or even remotely close to stuff and here's why of a player as we've seen coming possibly in the history of the NBA. And that's why he can't have an impact. Because

you just can't be 7-6 or 7-5 or whatever. It's how he is. Nobody's just going to be 7-6 and want to do and like want to do what Wimby do. One of the reasons Steph has had such a large impact on the game

that he had is because he looked like he everybody size. And so because he looked like everybody size, everybody think I can be step. I can do that. Regardless of how athletic I am, I can learn to shoot the ball. And if I could shoot the lights out the ball and I can run all day and I can work on my handle, I can be stuck. The reality is where they fell to realize is, no, you can't. Because his shot is like God-given with a God-given work ethic.

that tops, is topped by maybe two people ever. Like, so, you know, his ball handling, like, Steph has an uncanny ability with his hands in general. Like, we go bowling, he's going to bowl to something. Even if he ain't bowed in five years. If we go golf, y'all, obviously all know he's great at that. If we go to the batting cages, he's going to hit home runs. If we go to a ping pong tournament, he's going to. going to be at the final table.

Like, he has this uncanny ability with his hands and his hand-eye coordination, which is another thing. And so, again, like, yes, you can practice these things. Somebody wants to ask me, like, you know, why are you going to shoot with the same arch and step? I said, what? Why you don't shoot with the same archist step? So why would you ask me that?

Like, do you think I wouldn't want to shoot with the same arc and step? Like, do you think it's that simple to shoot with that type of arc every time you shoot the ball? Do you know what goes into a jump shot? Do you know how every part of your body got to be on one accord at the same time to get that rhythm every time? Do you know how hard it is to master a shot to where it looked the same every time? I said, so I don't even understand why you asked me that. Nonetheless, I sent all of that to say, no. Like, so I just don't think, because people aren't going to see Wemby and be like, oh, I can be that.

Like, no, but I don't, I don't, that, no. But I got a challenge you on this because Wemby comes from the Steph tree. Right? So shooting threes. Yeah. Right. For sure. And what makes him different.

is he's the actual first player you've ever seen in your life that was created on 2K. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we didn't winby. Right? So, like, the kids, the kids is like charging up their 2K characters to be set. Like, this was stuff we would do when we would do our my player.

Oh, yeah, I want my dude, seven, six, with a handle, could dunk, block shots, you know, and now it's like, oh shit, it's a real,

it's a real, like, 2K, my player, like in the NBA, you feel what I'm saying? Listen, I can agree with that,

BD. And so tracking, tracking his stats because of this era, this era is based on, you know, stats and analytics and his pace.

He's on pace to train, and send a lot of categories from if he stays healthy and have the longevity and, you know, the career and if they can build around him. But individually from like getting off, getting out the blocks, like, bro, he on pace to like be a gang changer. I think, I think all of that is,

I think I agree with all of that. And all of those things are true. But like right now, he counted the center, but he counted the two. And I just think, like, even if you look at KD's game, when KD came into the league, Katie was a two. He was a shooting guard. When he came into the league in Seattle,

he was the starting shooting guard. As Katie career went on, he became a three. Then he became a four. And nobody going to want to admit it, but Katie had his most dominant and most successful years. at the three and four, right? And it's not a knock to KD that he had his most successful years

at the three and four. What happened was it allowed everybody else to form their roles once he moved to those positions. And with Wimby, where Wimby is going to, what I don't think is going to happen is, how long can he play that way? and not win at a high level. Like they're winning more this year.

But in order to win at an high level, meaning in the playoffs, as you know, you need everybody to be clicking on all cylinders. Like you need everybody to be filling their role when you're trying to win at a high level. And so for Wembe, I think at some point, he's going to have to learn

when to move out of the way. and I can't just trail into this three I can't just come down. Like right now, Wimby's also, and no one really talks about this, Wemby's benefiting right now off of his naiveness. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

He's benefiting off of not knowing how to play basketball right now and just playing off of sure talent and sure ability. Right now, that's cool because he's in year two. No one's accepting that in year six. And so then you're in year six.

But he goes, man. He got four years. He got, look what he doing. Look what he doing in a year two. That's fine, but it's just going to be, you're putting up great numbers. Next year, next year he going to put up even better enough. And that's fine. But if they don't win, if they don't win, then it's going to become.

That's the part of it, OBD. If they don't win, because everybody else can't really fill their roles the way them rules need to be filled and they don't win, then people are going to start. attacking you for doing that. And then it's an issue that you're doing that. And a whole other thing comes with it. It ain't just like, oh, you just get to play as long as you can and figure it out. No, that pressure starts to amount.

You're supposed to be that dude? Oh, you ain't wanting yet. Oh, now you're trying to figure that out. So then it becomes less about, oh, my God, look how he just came across half court. And in his mind is going to become, I have to do what I got to do to win. And that may mean I need to slide to this block a little more. I just don't see it happening. I do.

And here's my thesis. He's going to be as special as they come, but I don't see that thing. Here's my thesis around this. I got one be on my team. I better hurry up and figure out a role if I want to stay around. That's fine. You know what I mean? They're going to be saying the opposite.

Yeah, but, but, yeah, he got a league, but it's also a take the team. So somebody else got to step up, right? and somebody or they got to go build a team around them to build winners and build a winning system because San Antonio got to win an ecosystem. They got to go get, those dudes in San Antonio right now, like the problem with Wembe is he don't have a John Morant type of personality.

You know what I mean? He got Chris Paul. Yeah, but Chris Paul is not a young dude that's ready to bark up. your chest. You know what I mean? Like San Antonio, they ain't barking at shot.

They're just out there playing basketball. But San Antonio never going to be that. And they're not going to bring in a guy that's like that. That's not their culture. San Antonio was cocky, arrogant. You know what I mean? Yeah,

but it was quiet arrogance, though. They weren't just barking up the chimney. No, they never talk. I'm running up the chimney. They wouldn't on that. No,

but they had, they had a, it was, it was, they had a championship pedigree. Yeah, arrogant. You feel what I'm saying? Championship arrogance about them for sure.

Yeah, like y'all not going to beat us. Y'all not smart enough. You know what I mean? Like, ha, ha, y'all win it right now. We're going to walk y'all down. They had all of that is. 1,000%. Right, or Detroit Pistons or like with these young dudes now,

they got like a little fight. Like, hold on, Draymond, you ain't going to punk us. You feel what I'm saying? What I'm saying for San Antonio is they don't have no young dudes. yet that I see not even Wimby, you know what I mean, or somebody to ride with Wimby to be like, hold on, bro, like we barking up y'all tree too. We on our way back, you know what I mean? And so right now it's just like, okay, we showcase some talent to your point.

But I think for him, because he's so naive and he's watching everybody, bro, you know what I mean? He's why he's a sponge in the game. He's going to push himself to win. That's the only way that he's going to exist as a phenomenon. And I think he actually has the personality and the game to actually want that. You feel what I'm saying? For sure.

But they got to get some dogs around them and they got to start standing up for themselves. Because if you're relying on Chris Paul to do that, like Chris Paul is supposed to be to do that calm y'all down and make sure you're playing basketball. Y'all should be doing everything else. you know what I mean, and just play it off a sheer force, sheer energy, you know what I mean? And like trying to be somebody, everybody trying to claim a name is something and not going off a highlight or a good game or some shit like that. You feel what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, I feel it.

And you can see that they don't have that. You know why? They don't. Because Russ is standing there doing Wimby like this. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Russell, wow, do he's sitting there. Right.

He's like, hey, don't touch my hair. Russ, say, what you're going to do? Yeah, come on, dude Like, you know what I mean? Like, right, right. And then, you know, it's like ain't a vet over there. And, you know what I mean?

Like Chris Paul can tell him, hey, you know, Chris Paul going to give him the ism, hey, bro, I don't ever know nobody's son you like that. Mm-hmm. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I don't give a shit. So he got to develop a meanness. Yes.

Right? He's got to be me. Right now he's just talent, having fun, naive. but soon as it click and it's like, oh, I got to be a cold assassin, a killer. I got to be thinking about every aspect of the gang. So then I'm the show. Not just like, oh, I'm going to the guard. I'm going to put up 40 and, you know, if we win, we win.

If we don't, it's like, no, you got to go now become. I mean, Yonnas did it. You know what I mean? Yonis did it. And I think, you know, this kid got talent too to do it. J.T. did it. Yeah. JT. did it.

Where he came in, he was young, talented, battle with Brian in the conference finals, right? But, like, didn't quite have it, couldn't get over to hump. Yeah. A couple more times couldn't get over to jimmie Butler, right? Didn't he play us? Couldn't get over to hump? Yeah, yeah.

He developed that, right? Like, you have to develop that. You have to. Yeah. You have to. You got, you like, and for him, he, as a. a young dude, he had a lot of success early. Yes, he did.

Like to keep, you know what I mean? He keep knocking at the door. He may not be saying them, but like now when you look at him, you know what I mean? It's like there's some fire there, you know what I mean? Because he won it so bad, bro. He won it so bad. And now they won the championship. He knows what that feel like.

It's a different level to his game this year where you're like, I'm a finisher. I'm a closer. You know what I mean? Like now they're starting to start. sink up. And so I think Wendy, he responds. You know what I mean? He's got to absorb that. Yes, he is. And so he can

be the personality that the San Antonio Spurs never was. Yes. I agree. So he has a freedom to do that. Yeah. Right? And and and with a little bit of meanness with his personality, take San Antonio. And now it's like,

okay, now you know, it's a wow, wow West and you know Wemby is whatever nickname people going to give him that don't sound like Wemby you know what I mean? Yeah for sure listen I agree with you 100%

I think Wembe does have that level of talent I think he has that aura around him that people can you know feed off of and that can become a larger than life personality which he already is larger than life I think he has all of that

I just go back to the original question can he change the game like Steph? And I still stand by my answer. The reason I think no is because in order for him to eventually win, he's not going to be able to play as random. And then you just become, if you're not able to play as random as he is right now, you become one of the most special players we've ever seen. But as far as changing the game, we can't change to be wimpy.

like we can't but he can change the game as far as all right ain't gonna be no little dudes running around here shooting threes you're gonna have to stock up on some seven footers like he could if he developed that trait you stock up on seven footers now now people are drafting different because they're like well shit we got six fouls and wouldn't be fouling people you know what I mean he's fouling people out he playing in the block and order for him to do that though he's gonna have to get put on more weight because right now, like for instance,

Russ was guarding him in that game. And it's no knock to wimby. It's just that Russ going to get underneath you. He's going to get physical. He's stronger than you already for sure. And so he like, but no, but what I'm saying is in order to do what you're saying also, he's going to have to get way stronger because if you're saying that he's going to make you have to go draft more seven footers that can shoot.

That's not necessarily going to be the case if you can guard him with a 6-6 guy because they're going to try to be physical and get underneath him. You see what I'm saying? So try to get stronger so that you then have to put a 7-footer on me because the 6-foot guy can't do nothing. So it now has to be a 7-footer. And the only way he can match me is if he can shoot the 3 ball as well. Then that starts to take far.

It's just a lot of things that got to happen before. that post, I give you a whole little post, post package. You'll never, you'll never have to worry about a little dude standing you up in the post, man, call 1-800 Bart O'Neill. I got you, man. You know what I mean? That's all he need. Once he get, once he learn how to take it, like, he don't even know he's 7,6, bro.

You know what I mean? Like, he don't know he's 7, 6 in the NBA. Yeah. He's just talented. He's young. He's enthusiastic. But once he starts figuring out, wait, hold on, bro, I'm this close to the basket. I ain't even got to jump.

I'm blocking everything, getting every rebound, every putback. Okay, this is how I'm going to get my 40, 20, and 12. Mm-hmm. No doubt. And then I'm going to shoot my threes and all that to show like, okay, you know, this is out of flow. But, man, I'm going to lead the, when he decided he wants to lead the league and points in the paint, I think he can do it.

But moving around the league, we got Julian I for 3792. What do you think about the seven-gain suspension of Jimmy Buller? And why do you think they did that? You know, I'm kind of on the fence with it. You know what I mean? Like, for one, it's like, man, somebody, you know, I've been in that situation before where it's like, man, I don't want to be here. Y'all don't really want me here.

You know what I mean? like, man, just going to put me out of my misery and trade me. You know what I mean? And so, you know, I can understand why the heat did it. You know what I mean? And look, man, everybody, they didn't tip the iceberg. You know what I mean? Like Jimmy won out.

And even though the heat may not, may or may not want to trade them or whatnot, like this dude ain't about to help you. get to where you want to get to unhappy. You know what I mean? Like, you know, to me, he like, you know, he held emotional. You know what I mean? And like, that's, that's his gift and his curse. You know what I mean?

And so when you got a guy like that who play on his emotions and his attitude and his confidence and everything that he's built himself and his essential character on is really based off, you know, his emotional presence, his dog, He's like, you know what I mean? Like he got heart. Like in, and so somebody who play with his heart on his sleeve, if his heart is hurt or bruised or anything is feeling certain,

like you're going to get 25% of him because he can't get past the heartache. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so I think, you know, him and the Miami Heat, they had a heartbreak moment. You know what I mean? And it's like, well, shit, you got to, you may have to suspend him because, You know, like you're about to get seven games of him going through, you know, all the emotions that he's going going through being somewhere he don't want to be.

You know what I mean? With some people with the way that they handling it too is really like, all right, you can leave too. You know what I mean? It's like, well, if I can leave, like, let me go. You know, and so, you know, I kind of feel like, you know, with Jimmy and and it's like emotional

you know like how he is as an emotional player you you ain't going to be able to get no wins you know with him not being all the way locked in and playing with his full you know freedom and capability you know what I mean

and his confidence and all that like that kind of happened to me Jay when I was in New Orleans different situation because I was heard Byron Scott that came in, new coach. And like, I remember me and Byron Scott. It wasn't me and Byron Scott that really didn't hit it off.

I had problems with management because my back was hurt. I needed rehab. They thought I was a pre-Madana. You know what I mean? And it's like, man, I can't survive a Barron Scott practice. You know what I mean? I ain't all the way right. And then I get on the court and I ain't who I'm supposed to be.

And you know what I mean? You're going through all this. And at the same time, that's when I got traded from New Orleans to go to state. It was like, yo, you know, I remember Alan Bristow. It was even a moment where, you know, he kind of like ran up on me. You know what I mean? He came from the stands, ran up on me. Like, man, who do you think you are?

I said, bro, take one more step. Freeze. Who is Alan Briscoe? A old school buster. You know what I mean? One of them old school busters. but he was the GM and he come running,

you know, Brian, we have practiced. I kind of practice late because I'm in rehab and then in New Orleans like the rehab like an hour away, you know what I mean? So he kind of running down.

Man, I thought I told you Prima Don't know the world. I said, hey, freeze. Don't take one more step home me. And then Barr Scott was like, what's going on? I said, okay, I'm out. You know what I mean? Y'all going to have to trade me.

And I never forget, it was the trade deadline. And I said peace to all the people in the facility. You know what I mean? Trainers. And I sat outside that man office. And he came out. And he said, well, it's a trade deadline.

Look like you're going to be here for the year. I said, man, if you don't take your ass back in here and trade me, I'm not fucking around. I'm going to sit right here. So you tell me, I don't care what's team at this point. You know what I mean? And that's how I got traded. to go and stay. But I can understand,

like, when you had a breaking point and it's like, I need to go, because now my feelings is hurt, y'all feelings is hurt, y'all got a misperception, you know what I mean?

Like, the relationship with the coach ain't even off to the right foot in the foundation. And now, you know, with Jimmy being there, that's a whole different situation,

right? Because he, he, he been, you've been to the top with these deals and so like when you feel like you're not appreciated, you know what I mean,

or you feel like you're being pushed out or you felt like you've been, you know, pointed out as like, you'd escape go, like, it's hard to play, you know, and I think they just at the end of they row. No, for sure. I think they definitely are at the end of the road.

I've actually been hearing for the last couple of years that they were kind of tired of Jimmy. Jimmy was kind of tired of them. think Jimmy was kind of a little more so enjoying just living in Miami and not I'm not one of those media people that make up stories. I'm not saying enjoying living in Miami like Jimmy's a party. Jimmy don't go out. So I'm not saying that.

I'm just like, but living in Miami is a beautiful thing. And so I think he just enjoyed more so his life and what comes with him being the face of Miami Heat. Again, Jimmy's a very serious guy, takes his crab, very serious, works his ass off, so I don't want this to come off the wrong way. I just think, like, he had a good thing there where he's going to NBA finals, you know, he's the man in Miami. And I think all of those things made what he was going through bearable. That's what I'm trying to get at. And I think it's just reached a point now where you like, what do I have left? Three more years, maybe? I'm going to live in Miami for the rest of my life

after three years anyway. You know, so I think you start to get to that point where Jimmy also, Jimmy competitive as they come, wants to win a championship. And so the actual seven-game suspension, I think my question about it would be why seven, like why not five? What was the significance with it being seven?

Right, why that's so long? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's that to me. But I don't, I don't, I mean, outside of it just being like why seven, like why so random? I think my only thing is looking at what I believe the outcome is going to be. And what I believe the outcome is going

to be, everybody is like, oh man, Jimmy's going here, Jimmy's going there. I think two things, one of two things are going to happen. It's just my opinion. I think Pat Riley is Pat Riley. Like, and y'all have all heard the stories of who Pat Riley is and how Pat Riley is just like I have. I can see two things happening.

I can see Pat Riley sending Jimmy Butler to a team, an organization that he'd absolutely hate that's garbage. Mm-hmm. I could also see Pat Riley saying, hey, go home for the rest of the year. Just go home. We'll pay you. It's fine. Go home. We're not trading you anywhere.

And I could see that scenario as well. Mm-hmm. But the scenario that I don't see, I don't see it just playing out in Jimmy backing the business with them. and Jimmy being who Jimmy is, I don't see that. I think it's too far past gone. When stuff start getting to the media,

when stuff start getting public, it's no longer in your control anyway. It is completely taken over by public opinion, and it's just hard to make it work. So I think they reached the end of the road. And if you see how he was playing, you know what I mean? It's almost like,

I can't even have that energy around where we are. And I didn't see the games. You know what I mean? If you're playing on the West, you don't see me in the Eastern Conference games. So I didn't see any of that. Yeah, it's just almost like,

you can't, you can't stake nothing in that. You know what I mean? Like, you, you can't put no eggs in that basket because you don't, I don't think of it just,

the basket, you know what I'm saying? Right, yeah, they're like, you can, You can see it. You can feel it. And, you know, I feel like if I was a heat fan, you know what I mean?

It's just having as too much intensity around it. And I understand, I mean, I can understand that. Because even when I used to go sit on the bench at the games when I was heard in New Orleans. And then Dickow was the point guard, man. I used to hear people yelling at me like, he's better than them anyway. Okay. But the fans start developing the disdain because of the media, because of the imprint. And now you're like, hold on, man, like, I can be done with this.

You know what I mean? Let me go somewhere, anywhere. And I do agree with you. I do think that if I'm Miami, you know, why would I send them to a contender? I'm sending them somewhere where I can go get me some pieces, rebuild. You know, I think that's what that's what it's on Pat Riley mine. You know what I mean? Pistons are 500 for the month of January for the first time since 2018.

I just watched the Pistons game five against the Lakers championship game. I was watching Ben Wallace. He was going off. Shout to my Pistons, bro. How does it feel? You know what I mean? I know you got some sentimental value for your Pistons, your homegrown. Boys, how you feel about, you know, what the,

they build it. I think what they're doing is great. They, you know, got some young pieces. I think they got one in Kay Cunningham. They have salary cap space. They got draft picks. They got everything you need to head in the right direction. Trajan Langdon as the general manager. It's on him. It's on him to get it right. Like you got everything in front of you that you need. And I think, you know, J.B. was a great hire. He's getting the best out of them young guys. You know, they got young, hungry guys that want to compete, which I love. I think, you know, wish Jay and Ivy at speedy recovery sucks to see him go down.

He was kind of having a breakout year, you know what I'm saying, becoming the player that everybody thought he'd become out of Notre Dame. You know, so I think the league is always better when you have the teams that's been at the team. the bottom starting to rise up. And the way the Pistons been playing, like, you know, for years, you look at the Pistons and you're like, oh, this is an easy game. They don't play hard. They are trash, blah, blah, blah. Not anymore.

Like, you're looking at them now, like, yo, they coming in and they are competing at an elite level. And so it's good to see those guys playing the way they plan. Like I said, you possibly got one of them ones in a young Cade Cunningham. You start seeing those young stars. is being built night by night in the NBA, and I think Kay can be one of those guys. And so really good to see. It's great to see young Thompson back.

I get the Thompson Twins mixed up. I think his A man that's in, I think A man is in Houston, if I'm not mistaken, but I could be absolutely wrong. But, you know, to see the Thompson twin back out there after what he was going through medically and seeing him back defensively being an animal, and catching lobs.

Yeah. I think the business is headed in the right direction, man, and it's fun to watch. I enjoy seeing it, and they're young, you know, so they got a full runway ahead of them to go do it. And like I said, it's on Trager Langdon to get it done to make sure they got the pieces to continue to build and put those pieces in place, not get overzealous and think you are ahead of where you are too soon

and make a bad move that set you back. Yeah, no, I, I, Man, I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. When I look at the Pistons, I see a big culture change, right? And it's good to see Detroit Pistons playing.

And shout out to my boy, Kay and Cunningham, because last year, like, they won a couple close games. They lost a lot of close games. They lost a lot of games that they could have won, should have won. And I think, you know, when we. talk about when we talk about the evolution of somebody becoming an all-star, I look at Kay Cunningham and like, yo, man, that dude is an all-star having an all-star year. He may not get it this year, but definitely next year. But I want to see somebody like that in

the all-star because now he's starting to become a finisher. Yes, he's what I mean? And like, with these young dudes, they've learned how to finish games. And he's leading them. You know what I mean? He hitting the big shots. He's making the past. He's, he's, he's, making the past. He's, He's doing all of it. He's doing all of it. So it's good to see Detroit as a brand because, you know, we love Detroit. We love all the great, the legends that come, you know,

from the city, from around, you know, just the Michigan area, but the Pistons being back in the league, you know what I mean? And being somebody that's a force, we got, I want, you know, we want to see what that evolution look like. I'm excited about that. Do you think OKC versus? the Cavs is an NBA

finals preview. I think it's a possible NBA finals preview. You know, two teams playing great basketball, growing and coming into their own young talent, young guard talent. Both teams got some good bigs. Obviously, OKC short-handed without

chat, but, you know, I think both teams got a lot of depth. Kind of the contrasts in two different styles, though, with OKC, the ball sticks a little, or more. You know, you got to guard your man. Cleveland, that ball is humming.

Man, they're moving that ball. You turn your head, the ball going another way. Whip, whip, three. Like, and so it's the contrast of two different styles. Reminds me a bit of the coming, up-and-coming, go-to-state warrior. You're trying to make their name with some, with a young core.

And OKC reminds me of, Houston, even Cleveland, but not as much Cleveland, more Houston. But what I mean by that is you got one guy controlling everything. And if you think about those James Hard-led Houston teams, Shea Gildreds, Alexander, one guy controlling everything. Obviously, you got other guys getting off. Bron, one guy controlling everything. Then obviously you had Kyrie doing what Kyrie does, Jalen Williams.

You know what I'm saying? Like, and so I see the similarities in these teams. kind of those teams when we were coming through and the real heyday and I think it's beautiful to watch but you know I think for Cleveland where they're going to have to

take that next step and I think they've done a good job of it with the system that they've built with Kenny Atkinson coming in and the system they've built Donovan Mitchell has historically struggled in the playoffs And so with Cleveland, with Donovan being your go-to guy, like, Shay going to get his. He's showing you that.

Donovan has historically struggled in the playoff, and I think they have to be aware of that and already be ahead of time trying to figure out what we need to put in place to combat that if he struggles again, you know, because that can hinder their chance at being one of those teams in this final. And that can hinder their chance of being a team that's a part of an NBA final preview. It is very hard for a guard and a guard-led team to get you all the way where you need with no type of three, four, you know what I mean? Yeah. Potent presence. That's what I would say.

Now there are exceptions to the rules because you have exceptional guards. You think Steph Clay, but you also have the balance of Harrison Barnes, Egan Dahlin, Jemond Green, Andrew Poget, you know what I mean? So you're still staple, you know what I mean, in the interior.

And so, you know, I would say on the Cleveland side, you know, Darius Garland, my boy Donovan Mitchell, they have the talent to do it. You know what I mean? Yes. What they need and where I think is going to be critical for them

is Evan Mowgli has really become 20 and 10. You know what I mean? He got to really become 20 and 10, and they got to really use him as somebody who is close to the basket, can get files, create files, right? Because, you know, it's just put a lot down the stretch and then the playoffs is going to put a lot of pressure

on Donovan Mitchell to get to the hole to shoot jumpers, Darius Garland get to the whole shoot jumpers, make plays. You know, the playoffs, like that floor is shrink. You know what I mean? And I think advantage to OKC because the shrink floor just means you got to play some one-on-one. Absolutely. And now you got to deal with a dude who just can't be stopped.

what I mean? And like, you know, no matter how tight the space, you know, OKC, I think, you know, that third factor is going to be, you know, how Chet, you know what I mean, integrates himself into that system because they got a lot of talent. Yeah. They got a lot of dudes who can do a lot of things. Harkinstein is solid. You know what I mean? Like they're investing in size, you know what I mean?

But they're going to need Chet to step up, you know what? They're going to need Jalen Williams to play that, you know. He struggled last playoffs too. Yeah. It'll be a big step for J. Dub as well. You need that Batman Robin. You need that, you know what I mean? You need those two, you know, superpowers.

But, you know, they also got to get through that West. You know what I mean? And so, okay, Cleveland has the matchup capabilities for any team in the East. O KC, they can fuck around and get the wrong matchup. And now that first round, you know what I mean? You get in.

Yeah, you're getting tackled. You know what I mean? It becomes a little bit harder for them to like get from one round and like, you know, the fight, the fight, the fight got to come from you know, now these talented kids, you got Dort, you know what I mean?

Wiggins, you, Isaiah, like one of these dudes going to have to become somebody, you know what I mean, for them outside of Shady. Yeah. No, that's the fact. And the reality is the fight on the way can sometimes cost you. Yeah. Because a tough fight along the way, you may win the battle.

Yep. But over the course of time, it may cost you the war, you know what I'm saying? And so that's definitely something you always have to be livery in the Western Conference. because it's just a little different. And inexperienced clipped them last year. Yes, it did. And then I also was saying inexperienced clipped them, made them hungry,

but they didn't get the experience that they needed to have that next level of getting over the hump. So now they got to go through new familiar terrain, unfamiliar terrain, if they're going on a quest to the finals, right? 1,000%. Like, we ain't did this round. So we got to, we didn't beat Dallas. You know, you have to watch, right?

You know what I mean? And you have to watch Dallas go to the finals, right? Yep. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. So, like, yeah, you got that. But like, you didn't win that series, right? So you don't know what that next round felt like the next round felt like.

So you're fighting also against unfamiliar territory and new terrain. So, you know, a little different from OKC. That's the fact. And what I will say is I always talk about it, the know-how. Yeah. It's one of the biggest things. Like Boston, Boston ain't tripping on none of these games. You know why?

Because what they know is we know how to do it. Like, so just get us there. We know how to do it. Yeah. The know-how. Like, I'm telling you, the know-how is why we beat Boston in 2022. Yeah. We just knew how to do it.

You've been there before. Yes, and you're right. These teams, they don't know how to do it. And sometimes you run up against a team and you're like, you know what? They just knew how to do it. So that's what both of these teams got to look out for. No, I agree. Our next one, Bogdan.

Dot Parashiv, D-A-R-A-S-C-H-I-V. What is the hardest part of being an NBA player that fans don't understand? the hardest part about being an NBA player is you play a game you love and winning the championship is the hardest thing you can do, right? And people don't understand that. My son, damn sure, I don't understand that. But also, I don't think fans really understand how much hard work it takes to come back from injuries. Yeah. As a player who, like, came into the league injured, by the way.

coming off of like an ACO, you know what I mean? It's just like you are just never, ever 100%. You're only like 100% of like the 70% capacity that you can play at that year. Only 100% of that. Like if you can get back to 80, right? You just are never. Once you get, once you get the knee surgery and it's just hard to get back to where you were going to go, right?

And so there's, you know, just like a health plateau, right? And so I just don't think fans understand because when you talk, when you like even a Kauai, right, you look at somebody like Kauai and like fans just got the wrong fucking perspective of like somebody who bust their ass to get back, get on the court and kill. And you think this dude don't want to be on the court, 55, 43, and 90? You know what I mean? It's like, oh, I want to be over here. And street clubs. Like, every NBA player wants to play. And, like, I actually like it now, man, because y'all got people around y'all that care about your longevity.

We play. Like, it was just like, oh, you can play? You got to play. Every win was a needed win, ICE and STEM. And, you know what I mean? Like, do not get on that training table if you don't need. to be there. You know what I mean? And then you get to, you know,

like I would say early in your career where, you know, you could hang out on the training table, but like dudes was just hurt. You know what I mean? Like, we didn't know how to, how to, it wasn't longevity training. It was always just getting you right for the next game.

Yeah. And you right for the next game. And so I don't think fans really know and understand how hard it is to like be injured, come back, playing an entire season. Like you just never become 100%. You know what I mean? You just like fighting, you know, mental battles, physical battles. And just, you know, I just think a lot of times they just, you know, in a selfish way,

they want to see players play all the time. But a lot of times it's just like, man, you have no idea how hard it is to play hurt or to be hurt and can't play. we as athletes are master compensators. It's just what we are. You learn like, ah,

this thing is hurting. I'm going to compensate on this thing to take the pressure off that. Like, that's just what it is. I think, I think one of the hardest things for me is to do something at such an elite level.

And have the whole world that knows 7% of what you know. Yeah. Trying to tell you what that should look like, how it should look, how it should be done. Like, it's, it's blasphemous. Right. And then, like, you can't really say much bad. You're censored in what you can say bad.

I'd say for me, I think that's one of the tough sparks. just like being at such an elite level, but playing something that everybody and their mom think they know because they played on the elementary school basketball team and learned that if you dribble with two hands, that that was called a double dribble. And they think that this thing that we do is the same thing that they did.

Yeah. And I'm just here to tell you, it's not even remotely close. and just enjoy the game. That's what it is for me. I like that. Derek Rose night just passed. Derek Rose, man. Shout out to D. Rose.

One of the greatest. Just got announced that he getting his jersey retired. You know, I think it's like one, four, 25 is the day. Man, I mean, one, man, just shout out. out to Derek Rose. Shout out to like, man, damn, bro. Like, wow. Just shout out to Derek Rose.

He is just so cold. You know what I mean? Like, oh my gosh. Just, man, this dude is just, he was amazing. You know what I mean? He was amazing. I didn't get a chance to play against him as much as I wanted to. But I did catch him when I was like,

okay, I'm that guy. You know what I mean? You know, I'm that guy, dog. And I never forget, down the stretch of the game, like that fool was posting me up. They was throwing it to him on the block, bro. And he got two, and Dre, he got two buckets on me. And I looked at him, I said, bro, who are you?

That's crazy. And they was going. Hey, bro, they was different. And, you know, I haven't been a, I haven't been on the ISO, guarding T-MAC, guarding Kobe down the stretch, Iverson, you know what I mean?

But, like, I ain't never really had nobody clear out and post me on the short quarter. And it's a guard. Hey, bro, and he jumped over with me a shot of jump hook, turn around, shot a bank shop, paid. I was like, bro, who are you? After the game, I was like, yo, bro, I'm a fan.

I was like, I'm a fan. I know who you are now, bro. I didn't know. I didn't know you was that nice. I followed you in Memphis. You know what I mean? Like, damn, bro. I did not know you was this nice.

Shout out to D. Rose. And shout out to, like, his next venture. You know what I mean? Like, what he's going to be doing next in life? You know, like his platform, you know, the way he's telling his side of the story and projecting his story is just giving me an opportunity to learn. more about him and grow more about him just as a fan you know what i mean no doubt his game and a fan of

his so man shit i couldn't guard him listen man d rose um wow what an incredible player man i had my first opportunity to see d rose play up close and personal uh was at big time in Vegas and D. Rose and Eric Gordon was playing on the same team. They was playing for Mean Streets. Oh, wow. And they was playing the D1 Greyhounds, Bill Walker and OJ Mayo. Somehow I got into that capacity field game at capacity, standing room. Not only, ain't no standing room either.

And watching them put on the show was one of the most incredible games I ever seen. in my life. And then I had my first opportunity to really play against D. Rose. Like when I came into the league, I think D. Rose got hurt in 2011 or 12. So right when I came into the league, he got hurt. And then if you remember, in 2014, I want to say it was, there was a world championship team. And D. Rose hadn't really played for the boys yet. He came back. And he came back, his return was with USA basketball and the World Championship team. And I was on the select team

coming to practice against those guys, get them ready, which was an honor for me, because I'm on the select team. I was geek, man. And, like, D. Rose came down full speed at me. I come up, stop him at the free throw line. He hit me with a crazy, I shift all the way the other way.

He up and under that thing. lay up. I was like, oh, my God. Like, it was just like that. And again, he was coming off injury, so I can only imagine what that crossover and what that up and under looked like two and a half years prior to that.

But completely left me in the dust. And I was just like, yo, that's crazy to see that type of athleticism up close. But just a big fan of D. Rose, man, how he carried the city of Chicago.

that's Chicago's heartbeat right there. That's Chicago's son right there. Come on, bro. You know, and to go to Chicago to get drafted, number one kid and actually live up to it and become the MVP in your city. That's sick. With the boys, you grew up a fan of.

And to actually do that. And then to accept with grace when it came to an end, he accepted it with nothing but complete grace that the team that he won MVP on that the city that he's the heartbeat of was and I take this with a grain of salt

the city never moved on from him who is poo and that is his city but when that city I mean in that organization said you know what it's time we move on we're trading you

man that man handled it with such grace continued to bounce back even had a fighter ball after that You know, like, you're a fighter, bro. To just see how he handled all of that, man. He's a color.

Shout out to D. Rose, man. Legend for life, man. Absolutely. All the famer. All that shit, man. That's, come on, man. He's one of them ones. And by the way, the,

the questions on, is D. Rose a Hall of Famer if he not? If you win MVP in the NBA, you're a Hall of Fame. You're a Hall of Famer. Moving on. I don't care if you play it one. year. If you play one year in the NBA and you win MVP of the NBA,

moving on. It's Derek Rose, a Hall of Famer. Stop it. It's ridiculous. Stop playing. He won in the ones. Moving on. All right. We're going to take three random, a few random questions before we get out of here. First one, I'll start. Slough is legend. If you guys were a pro wrestling tag team, what would your name be and what's your walkout song? it'll be

atomic dog and we would be called the dog pound I rock with that say no more case close next one from sweet

dot J-11 starting from 2000s to now with the two of you what's the most lethal starting five so us two in the lineup up and then you add your five. You add your three. Oh, okay.

I would have to say, shit, Shaq. Of course. Number one, Shaq. No question. Kobe. Okay. Got to have Shaq, got to have Kobe.

And then in the 2000s, I'd say, Dirk. I like that. Well, Listen here, I'm going to go because reading is fundamental, and we read at Michigan State. It's say from the 2000s to now. So I'm going big deal.

Yeah, see, reading is fundamental. My part. Reading is very fundamental. You got to read it to me right. I read, I read it. I didn't see it. I didn't see the question. You know what?

You're right. I read it. So I got another one for you. I know there iso gave us, which is learn to listen, listen to learn. Not down. So reading is fundamental, and you need to learn to listen and listen to learn. So since I know that reading is fundamental, 2000 to now, I'm going BD, Steph, myself, Katie, and D's going with the Big D's for sure, no question, X.

That's Senator Evergraced the NBA floor. no questions asked. I'm fucking with that. I'm fucking with that line up for a show. That's a championship for show. We got dog, we got scoring, we got size, we got deep fans.

Man, come on. Can we relive that? All right, man. Speaking of the 2000s, bro, um, speaking of the 2000s, what, I'm going to be honest with you, Biddy.

I may be the only person in the walk of life that I live in that, I have not heard the song. Oh, my God. What? I haven't heard the song. Is it really good? Or are y'all just, like, laughing at him, but kind of laughing with him, but laughing at him?

No, it's hard. The reason why I like it is, like, he brought back a 2000 vibe, right? So, like, it ain't like he tried. He told him a spot? Yeah. Hey, bro, I'm telling you. Big time is no limit.

Like 2000. Hey, bro, you're going to be like, yo, I remember this song when I was growing up. That's how it gets you right. Like, it's not. You know what I mean? But he didn't come out trying to do drill rap.

He didn't come out trying to rap like little baby or whatever everybody else rap. Like, I think this is kind of like showing like, man, my shit different. My shit hitting. And it's knocking. Like his little hook that, you know what I mean? And I'm going to swim on the cornerstone.

So Jello ain't, so Lovar was right. Jello ain't necessarily make it in basketball, but you're saying he about to make it as a rapper. So Lovar was right all along. He got the number one YouTube song right now. I got dudes calling me like, yo man, you know Jello, I'm trying to book him for a show. I'm trying to book him for real show.

Really? Good for now. All right, one second. Charles just sent a link. I'm about to listen. Y'all give me a second. It's like when you'd be like, yo man, my cousin rap and people be like,

oh, that fool don't rap, and then he comes with some shit like that at the family reunion. It's like, okay, this smacking. Whoa, whoa. Hey, that's knocking. I ain't. I'm telling you.

He's knocking. I'm telling you. Levard definitely had him listening to some big times coming up. He had to. Had to. That shit.

That shit. That's your go. I'm knocking. Can rap too. Lanzo can rap too. I actually heard Zoh rap before. It's okay and rap. But that's knocking.

I rock with that. All right. All right, Jello. Half time show the All-Star game. What up? That'll be hard. Bring, bring, the All-Star game back. The All-Star game been dead.

That's hard. Jello here to save it. I got listening to that. We all on the Jello. I'm on to Jello. Whoa. Whoa. Hey, we're done here.

This episode is a wrap. I'm going to listen to Jello. I'm a swam in the corner to do whatever he's saying. Whoa, whoa. That shit, no, I can't. We out. Yeah. That's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green show with my dog, B.D.

We out. We out. Peace. Peace.