The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show - White House Visit + Jamal Crawford

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

Draymond Green explains what happened when the Warriors went to the White House to celebrate their championship, why his experience meeting President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris was so meaningful, and why this experience was better than the last time the team went. Then he's joined by Jamal Crawford to discuss how Doug Collins helped shape his career, why he's so passionate about the Seattle basketball pipeline, what happened between Paolo Banchero and Dejounte Murray at his pro-am this summer, how his experience at Michigan would've been different under the current NIL rules, his streetball style of play, the lack of "vets" in the NBA, and why the Warriors have been up and down this year. Produced by: Jackson Safon #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Redline, 1-800-89-9-7-8-9 Tennessee, visit 1-800-Gambler.net in West Virginia. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show. This is our third episode of season two, and I think we're rolling right now. We had Stephen A on last week. I hope everybody enjoyed that episode, as much as I enjoyed holding the interview. It was very fun sitting in the opposite seat of Stephen A and asking him all the questions you want to ask.

We all know what Stephen A does. on TV. So I thought that was dope. And this week, we got the one and only, the first six man that was really making six man popular and then Lou Will came in and took it to another level. Jamal Crawford, we have him on this week's show, who's also a new teammate of mine on the Turner side of things, as we all know. He's, he's a returner now. He's on the Tuesday show. I think it's so great to see someone that loves basketball that knows the game as well as Jamal on TV because he just has that. Jamal Crawford still has the love

that a child has for the game of basketball. Like you go through all this stuff, man, you go to college, you go through NBA, and the challenges, right, it can lessen your love, it can make it more of a business for you. And even someone like Jamal Crawford, who career maybe didn't end quite the way he wanted to end, still has that adolescence love for. the game of basketball and I think that's always refreshing.

So to have that on your TV screen every week, I hope you take advantage of it. But first, definitely enjoy this week's episode. And we're going to bring him back for a part two because he actually was getting ready to go on T&T. And we had to cut the interview a little short and there was so many more things to talk about. So I will make sure we get that delivered to you.

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No matter where you live, get out and have some fun this week. Download game time today. Last minute tickets, lowest price, guaranteed. But let me get into this week's top of the show, which is number one, as we all know, No, to go to State Warriors, myself, my wife, who I was actually extremely happy, was able to attend with me. We went to the White House yesterday, and it's my second time back, although I've won four championships, as you all know, we didn't have the opportunity to go in 2017 and 2018 now.

you know they'll say hey they weren't invited um quite frankly it's cool to say oh you're not invited after you say you're not going like if that's what makes you feel good then great and that's kind of what happened to us so i don't think it was quite because we weren't invited i think we turned down the option and then we're not invited became a thing but quite frankly didn't want to go those years anyway, although the experience of going is absolutely incredible. But as you know, experiences are also made by the people that you attend them with. And so our experience yesterday was absolutely incredible. The hospitality that President Biden, our VP Harris, Kamala Harris, by the way,

the hospitality that they showed us was absolutely insane. I mean, from the band that they, I mean, they had a few instruments from the band playing on the first floor when we walked in, went up the stairs, and there was a full band playing. And they're playing, we are the champions when we walked up. And then just the different tools that they were playing. Their outfits almost look like the Nutcracker outfits. I'm pretty sure they probably were the Nutcracker outfits.

I mean, it was such an incredible experience, and everybody were so nice. They were so open. I'd say, you know, obviously you meet the president of the United States, the vice president of the United States is going to take the cake. But one of the most interesting people that I had the opportunity to meet was President Biden's head speechwriter Vinai and he was so

informative any question that I asked I actually had the opportunity to speak with him at dinner a little while of the night before our visit after the game and just asking different questions and it was such an incredible experience and I think

you know for me personally I enjoyed it because I didn't ask the questions from, you're doing this wrong, you're doing that wrong, or you doing this right. I more so asked these questions from, essentially from a dumbfounded space. Like I really wanted to know these answers. I didn't have an opinion on it so my questions weren't framed a certain way because I had an opinion on certain things. It's just things that I wanted to know.

And he shared things that, I won't share on here, but that were really, really enlightening to me, enlightening to me, and also very informative. Like, I felt like I learned. So, I mean, conversation started. We were standing. We probably stood there for an hour and 20 minutes. Just my Steph, myself, him.

Steph's god brother, Psy, actually works on his speech writing team, which was absolutely incredible. Chris, who worked in the Obama administration, and just asking questions and the willingness to answer those questions were absolutely incredible. So I want to thank Vinay for the experience and things that he shared and taught as well, because that was absolutely amazing. He actually introduced me to President Biden's head advisor on the Ukraine-Russia War, which I have some questions for her. well and she answered those questions. You know, in politics, sometimes we watch these things on TV and you don't really know what to believe.

You know, you don't know. You look at one station they're saying this. You look at the next station. They're saying something totally different. And so just to be able to get that firsthand insight was absolutely amazing to me. And oh, by the way, for you Michigan fans out there, I said the head strategist on the Ukraine Russia War for President Biden that I had the opportunity to meet

Michigan State Spartan. And that had to be one of the highlights. My wife's obviously a Spartan. So for us to meet her and ask some questions and how that Spartan green blood at the White House was absolutely amazing. And it was really a highlight. And so those were some of the best people that I met.

And don't get me wrong. we met incredible people. I think the job that they've done on putting an administration together, the people that they have around. One thing that I was really impressed with is the youth that they have in their administration. Like, you know, everyone looks at President Biden's age and, you know, his age is getting up there. But I think to have so much youth around, I think for me, as an American citizen myself, that was very comforting because, you know, so many times you get into politics and people are much older,

how do they relate to what a 24-year-old thinks, just a 24-year-old American things? But to see that there was so much youth up within the administration, it's very comforting to know that they're getting that perspective. And it's not just the perspective of some 60-year-old or some 50-year-old, although 50 is an old. I don't think, but it's a totally different perspective coming from generations. And the youth that they had around, I thought that was a huge thing. As an American, I left there and was like, wow, that's great. Like that made me feel like my point of view will be heard.

My voice will be heard because they're all right in the trenches, if you will, of life that we're all in. You know, I'm 32 years old. There's 30-year-olds. There's 28-year-olds. I met some 24-year-olds. It's just so to have those different perspectives around in the White House, I think is absolutely incredible. Within this, I want to give you a behind-the-scenes look of just how it all went down. The transportation, we took two buses arriving.

Buses get searched. They come on. You're not allowed to get off the bus until your idea. are checked. It's not like you're getting off the bus and they're checking them outside of the bus. It is as tight as you'd imagine. And then you enter those gates of

the White House and it's like, wow. Like, it produced no less of a feeling than it produced the first time we went in 2015. And, you know, to see how tight the security is, how dialed in they are.

It's amazing. Like, to to understand how high of a level that they're working at. Like, they're protecting the president. They're protecting the vice president. They're protecting our Constitution. The things that they're protecting

and the level that they're working at. Like, when you walk in, you know, sometimes you walk into certain places and you feel like the security is overdoing something. When you walk in, you just know, like, no, I need to go about it this way they make you feel like it's going to like it's no games and as you'd expect i thought i thought that was amazing we got in one crappy part about the day was we had to walk a long ways because

the buses aren't going all the way up to the white house and it was raining so that was the one crappy part uh but in saying that you get to the white house and that was great i know steve publicly said that uh some players and coaches has sat down and spoke about us in a couple different meetings. I think one was on gun violence, one was on voting. I didn't actually sit in those meetings. I know Steph was in some of the meetings. I know Steve was in some of the meetings. I'm not actually sure who else was in those meetings, but I didn't know some of those was taking places. And quite frankly, when you have the opportunity to go to the White House and you care about some of these issues, what better time than to use the access that basketball has given you

to speak on some of these issues? And I thought that was absolutely. absolutely incredible, that, you know, guys took advantage of the opportunity and it wasn't just about showing up to be honored for what you accomplished in basketball. My personal experience, my personal experience, like I said, was incredible. The one thing that I loved most about it was being able to share that opportunity with my wife. My wife having the opportunity to take a picture and meet Vice President Kamala Harris was incredible. My wife in college wanted, she actually wanted to pledge AKA. Our vice president is an AKA.

So just for her to share that moment to take in that experience, for us to take an experience together in our first year of marriage, absolutely amazing. She was very stunning in her all pink, what do they call it, Barbie Corps, I think that's the term for it. Absolutely stunning. Made me look good, which I need and I'll take. So thank you to my lovely wife, Hazel.

It was an incredible experience with you, my love. But that was great. The food was great. I actually got a chance to go in the kitchen and meet the head chef. The food was absolutely amazing. They had drinks. They had, I mean, the hospitality that they show for us, or showed us, hat for us, gave to us, was absolutely amazing.

And I tipped my hat to them on that. And I was talking to a few people on the administration, and they were just saying, President Biden is really big on hospitality. He feels if someone coming to your house, these are the things they should have, and that's how he makes sure the White House is ran. And I think that's absolutely incredible.

You know, one of the biggest things, you know, we've talked about this before on not meeting, not meeting your hero is usually a letdown. To go to the White House and it not be laid out the right way from a hospitality standpoint would be like meeting a hero and it being a letdown. So super thankful the way they rode out the red carpet was a great experience.

And then also another thing that you love is to see the guys and women who's never been there before. it's not quite as drastic of a difference as a player winning their first championship as someone else winning their second or third championship because I'll tell you, as someone who's been before, it's still as amazing.

And another thing, by the way, another touch that was really incredible that I was happily, we had the opportunity to see where the Obama portraits are now up in the White House. We had the opportunity to see First Lady Michelle Obama's portrait.

It was absolutely stunning. We had a chance to take pictures and see President Obama's portrait. And to see the portrait of an African-American woman and an African-American man in the White House like that, I'm getting chills right now just thinking about it as a young African-American man. That's something that wasn't possible before.

And so to see that, it's absolutely incredible. and it's just something that you saw and you really felt good about. And so overall, the experience was great and I have to say my experience this time was even better than the experience last time. And that's tough, man. Last time we went with President Obama,

like just that alone in itself is like... But like I said, it's about the people that you're with And I think for me, what took the cake was just sharing that experience with my wife. So that's kind of a quick rundown, if you will, of our White House visit. I hope, you know, if you haven't had the opportunity to visit the White House, set up a tour and see what you can see because it's nothing like it. I mean, it is a one-of-a-kind experience.

And just knowing all the history and all of the decisions that are made in one place. Absolutely incredible. So if you get the opportunity, you're in D.C., definitely try to check it out. I promise you, you will not regret it. And, oh, actually, lastly, when President Obama, excuse me, when President Biden

decided that he was going to take the knee, and by the way, I had someone asked me yesterday, like, was there any significance into him taking a knee? I'm not someone that tries to make something more than what it is, what I honestly think it was and thought it was, was that level of the stage

is lifted above the riser that we were standing on. So if he stands there, he's blocking someone. And trying to squeeze in, I think would have been even harder than him taking the knee at his age and getting up.

When I saw him getting, when I knew it was time to get up, I actually wanted to step onto the riser and help him up. But you're in the White House and you don't want to make a sudden movement next to the president. So if you kind of look at the video, I kind of like start to go and I pull it back, then I reach my arm, then I pull it back.

Ultimately, want to hand a helping hand to our president to make sure he's well and he gets up well. But on the flip side of getting tackled by the Secret Service, I don't think that would have been good. So I stayed back. But know that my heart was in the right place. And then lastly, I'll share this. with my experience, I had a long conversation with our vice president, Kamala Harris. And the gist of our conversation or the topic of our conversation was the game chess. I don't know how to play chess.

I've started to learn the game and learn, you know, I know what the pieces do now, but obviously, you know, the strategy of it, I'm still not quite there yet. But we were speaking about chess. She learned how to play chess from her uncle as a small. child. And I asked her a question. I said, has it, which sparked our, we probably stood there and talked for 25 or 30 minutes, which is amazing in itself. I said, has it been everything that you expected it to be? And her eyes lit up and smiled from here to here. And she said, and more. And we went into, you know, a little bit of what she's experienced, but then we went into just

life and it led us to the game of chess and how in life like the game of chess it's very much like the game of life there are a bunch of different pieces on the board they all do different things no they are not equally as important but the movement of one the protection of one is equally as important to the makeup of the whole team. And it's just so many lessons from life that we spoke about that you can take from that. In chess, if you're looking one step ahead, you lost. In life, you can't just look one step ahead. You got to be four or five moves ahead.

And so we really discussed that, and it was great. It made me want to learn the game with chess more. So some of you grandmasters out there, if you're a subscriber or listener to the show, please reach out because I want to learn. I do understand that in life, but I also want to learn the game because I need to beat up on Clay Thompson like Todd Jerome has been doing.

So that was my experience from the White House. I hope you all take the chance if you can to go check it out. It's unbelievable. That is going to be it for the top of the show. But before we get out of here, as you can see, the curtains has been closed, but there's an unveiling taking place.

What is that unveiling? That unvailing is, I am sitting in the room that all you people complained about me doing a podcast during the NBA finals, I am in the great city of Boston. So you can see Boston, the city of Boston behind me. And as you all know, our listeners that's been here,

you know, those of you that haven't, and you're new, thank you, we love you, hope you stay. But Jackson, our producer, is a big-time Boston Celtics fan. Well, we all know that sucks because they lost us in the championship. They also lost to us a few weeks ago now, a month ago, about a month ago, a little over a month ago. And Jackson today in my rundown of my topics of what we're going to talk about on the show, he puts on there, should we make a bet on the game? And I couldn't help but to think,

I beat these people in a world championship. He's paid nothing. I just beat these people a month ago. Paid nothing. Now all of a sudden he wants to make a bet. When we're coming to Boston, quite frankly, you know we can win on the floor. Celebrated on the parquet floor on his second team in history.

So we know that, but I'm going to tell you what he's thinking for our listeners out there. What he's thinking is, ah, Warriors been struggling a bit. Ah, the record on the road has been, it's a little rough right now. So we're going to sneak a win. So let me sneak a win in this bet. But where was that bet in the NBA finals? Where was that bet before our record starts sucking? Where was that bet then?

We don't know. So he's trying to take advantage of the situation. Quite frankly, my out is, I can't bet on Warriors games, brother. I can't bet on NBA games. So you just enjoyed as an L as it's going to come. But if you have an opinion, we would love to hear it, Jackson. I was just thinking a new year, new pod, new season. Maybe we could have a little friendly wager on the game, but you're right.

You can't fit on the game. And I thought, you know, Jalen Brown's hurt right now. I figured we'd have to even the playing field, you know, Celtics in first place. We're struggling on the road. Jalen Brown, out might seem a little bit more fair, you know. But you're right, you're right, you're right. We'll have to see how the game goes and we'll come back next week. I have a question for you.

I have a question for you. What did the Celtics finish the season in the Eastern Conference last year? First place. Sounds familiar. That's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green Show. they're in first place again. We weren't in first place last year, but guess what?

First place. I'm honored to have this next guest. It's actually a guy who, when I came into the league, I came in and I came in talking, I came in hot. I came in talking a bunch of junk to everybody. And to be honest,

a lot of guys really didn't embrace me. And it's like from the very first time I'll never forget, he didn't drop me off with a couple moves as we all know he do. I file, he goes to the Frito line, and he, like, embrace me. And that's something that I'll never forget

because it was someone that I've always watched growing up as a child, looked up to the way he carried himself. And, you know, when I say growing up as a child and not watch, you're going to hear this and be like, ah, your game don't resemble his, but the professionalism and the way he went about his business

and the way he carried himself, is what I always honored, and then obviously dropping 50 like nobody's tomorrow. You got to respect that. Honored to have his next guest, Jay Crossover, Jamal Crawford. What's up, my brother? Man, that's a heck of introduction, bro. I don't know if I can top that, but I appreciate it. It takes me back to when you started, like, started your journey.

It was at a time where you had the David Leeds and the bets right there in front of you, right? But the way you grind it, the way you can look in your eyes so you wanted more. Your goal wasn't just to make it to the NBA. Your goal was to come here. I'll leave my mark and, I mean, looking back with what you've done. Like, we got a Hall of Fame resume now, like, looking back.

Crazy. And you get the hard way. Like, out the mud, and that's to be a part of it and appreciate it. And to be a source of inspiration. You know what I mean? For all the kids out there. Everybody can't do stuff. Everybody can't be played.

But you, if you grind and commit to it and put your heart and soul into it, you know, those the magic can happen. So it's dope. I appreciate that. As you know, you come into these interviews and you kind of got these,

list of questions. And one thing that I've learned in doing this is just like you, you follow the interviewee. And so you just mentioned something about getting it out the mud. And it's something that I have a lot of respect for you for. And being from Seattle, the way that you've given back to that community and how strong the basketball presence is there, you know, when you're talking Rainer Beach, your high school, you, Terrence Williams, Kevin Porter Jr., Dejohnie. Montere Murray, like the pipeline. You go back, you start a pro-am in Seattle, like, and everything that you're trying to give back,

where does that come from? I know Seattle's a hotbed for talent, but where does, like, you want to give so much back to that community come from? Because I think it's honorable what you do in the community. I appreciate that. I think my sister told me something a long time ago, and it's not as a kid.

She said, when, if you ever come to a money or paying whatever it is, you become a bigger version of what you already were. So if you were an asshole, you don't be a bigger asshole. You were a giver, you don't get more because you have more access to give. And so for me, I didn't try to live up to that, but she kind of explained to me what I was feeling, what I was thinking. When I didn't have nothing and I had $10, if I saw someone on the street, I'd give me, you know, five on it and be like, I'll figure out later.

That's just always been in me. And so fast forward when I had the opportunity to be, to see the impact you can have. You know what I mean? And Doug Christie did it for me. I don't deserve all the credit. He did it for me. And I used to work out with him.

And he was like, man, come work out with me. I didn't have his phone number, Jerry. I didn't have his phone number. I didn't have no contact. I never asked him for a dollar. I just wanted what he had so fast to just teach me. Just like, show me how to be a pro. He was the first person I've seen where ankle weights training or having a phone roll.

It's back in 96. He had a phone roll. And so I'm like, oh, that's what pro is doing. Okay, they're in the best shape. and take care of themselves, right? And so I'm looking at all these things that collected out. And for me, that was everything to change my life. So I said, you know what if I make them do the same thing for the next one?

And that next one was B.Roy. That next one was Isaiah or Nate or Terrence or Kevin Porter, DeJante, or Apollo or Ronnie Stucker, whoever it is. And all of them didn't make it to the NBA. And I take just as much pride in those two because they became successful, you know, citizens and whatever they chase, whatever dreams they chased. And so I knew it changed my life. And I knew I wanted to have that impact.

doing it. You know, Zach Levine, as a kid, in ninth grade, you can call him? They say, can you break down the school for me? Can I work out with you? Right? And those things are life-changing. You know, so I just think that's what makes a difference. It's not the crowd in the bucket mentality. It's more kind of ecosystem we create. I think

that's incredible, man. You sitting here naming all these guys. I don't think like, when you start talking of, you know, L.A., Seattle, Chicago's, and you say, put a team together from those cities. New York, Michigan.

Michigan is, like, when you put a team together from Seattle just by itself, that team probably can compete with any team you can put together in the NBA. Where does that come from? Like, how does Seattle become that in basketball or where y'all just spewing out talent like that? That damn rain. When we out there, we're in the gym. You know, it's always raining up in Seattle.

It's always, you know, what else on. So we definitely just in the gym all the time. We're locked in the gym. And for Apollo specifically, I'll use him as an example because he's the last one. He walked the same streets. He was in the same community center. So it was nothing for him to see us all in the summer run.

Come on, jump in the run. You know what I mean? Like, I had one run. I had Jante, Kyrie Irving, Zach Levine, Matisse Thival, Spencer Hall,

Mr. late great Bill Russell, I caught on the side watching. I got a young Paulo-Bancarral fan at 16 years old in this run. So for him, it was nothing to see these things, to be exposed to it. And then taking further, my son, my nephew, he can go like, man, I know, forget you guys. That's Paulo. That's the high school star.

I can accomplish that one day. He's reachable. And Paulo understands, and all of us understand our responsibility. So we all support each other. Like, if the Jonté got a backpack giveaway, 10 of us are gone. If Nate Robinson has a bowling tournament, 10 of us are going. And that's just what it is. I think that's what makes it special.

When I was in Chicago, Tim Hardaway was over here, Mike Phelie was over here, Juan Howard was over here. I saw him in the gym together, but me personally, I didn't see too much else, but they really were collaginal stuff, and that's what we do. Now, that's incredible. And at your pro-am this summer, Dejante, who was very prideful. And, I mean, extremely proud. I love Dejante, man.

He's a guard version of you with that pride. He's the same call. Same call. Hey, I love Dejante. When I first saw him as a rookie, I'm watching him play. And I went up to him after the game and I say, yo, we couldn't stop you. The only thing that I could do to stop you was just sag off. Work on your jump shot, young fellow.

You work on your jump shot. You're going to be an all-star in this league. And I'll never forget that. And we've built the relationship that, like, I am close. to Dejante. I'm only close to a few guys in this league like I'm close to Dejante. Like, I got so much love for him

and love seeing him doing well. When he made All-Star last year, I felt like that was my first time. You made an awesome. You know? But at the Pro-M this summer, he and Paolo and Dejante being as proudful as he is, you come in this league, you're the number one pick.

I need to see that. And they had their thing and spews over to social media. Did you have to step into it? to that as the big brother, once it spues over to social media and talk to them. Like, hey, man, we ain't doing that. We're going to compete. But at the same time, we got to have each other back because that's how you keep that

pipeline and that tightness going. What you just said was the exact message. I'll tell you the funny story. I was in Dallas. I was coaching my son and coaching the kids. And my phone on the plane. And my phone is, like, text message was going crazy. Man, they got into it.

This is next. You're going to have to Jay Prince and step in. I'm like, man, look, they don't be fine. I talked to both of them the exact same way, the same message you said. And they both felt how they felt because they're both competitive. But at the end of the day,

kudos to both of them because they understood the big picture and what we've all created. Like you've all played a part in making this place something special, you know, because we're not like other cities. But sometimes you root for a dude, but you don't room for them to do better than you. You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, absolutely. But I ain't room for them that much. You know what I mean? And it's different up here. And so they understood it's the big picture. They work through it and to see both of them. You got an all-star in Dejante, a future all-star Apollo, and a whole generation of kids following both of them.

And those two have led with that responsibility. It's unbelievable that's a big brother to both of them. I love to see. Yeah, we can have differences. That's what big brothers and little brothers do. That's what we do. That's what it is. But we can work through it and continue to move forward,

push the culture forward. Absolutely. I think that's amazing, man. And just speaking of Seattle, you leave Seattle, you go not even going to mention the school, you go to. That's a whole other story. Hold on.

Hold on. Matter of fact, I think I owe you a few hundred for a lot of eight years ago, but that's not important right now. How do you not go mention Michigan? You got to mention, or you ain't got to say the word if you don't want to. Michigan State. Michigan State. See, I got love for being on the team.

When I see the team and Lop Pete or Flintstones, I acknowledge that. You ain't going to acknowledge the past and what we got. As I got so much love for you and so much love. love for Jalen and C. Webb. There you go. There you go. The list goes on and on. It's nothing but love for you guys.

But the school? Oh, my God, man. It hurts. It hurts. It hurts. You go off to school and right off the back, you get suspended. What was your suspension for? And what was your mindset once you received that suspension?

So, Drake, coming up, I wasn't like, nobody had ever heard about me until I was 16. So I was the kid, you know, I was like, man, there's a kid right now, busting his ass, at a playground. They got to kick him off the court, working on his game, and you hear sleeping, whatever, you know, a coach tried to use his motivation. I was that kid. So nobody knew about me until I was 16. I'm still working on my game. I was in the backyard. I was, like, really getting better.

And so once I jumped on the scene, and I had a lot of making up to you, I got, I was in. I was with my freshman year high school. I was in those with my sophomore year high school. I was in there was with my junior high school. I made varsy as a freshman. Doing the wrong things, being with the wrong, you know, crowd and all that. But as, as, I said, what happened, I started getting help when I moved back to Seattle from L.A., and that was with tutors, with clothes.

I don't come from nothing. But the help I was getting, wasn't from, like, a booster. It wasn't from an alumni. It wasn't from an AAU coach. I wouldn't even go to the same like that. And when I went to Michigan, probably. When I went to Michigan, they said, I broke a law of amateurism.

And I never heard that. I'm like, well, hold on. This guy doesn't fit into any one of those modes. He wasn't just giving me money saying, here, go flash, and do what you want to do. Like, this is stuff. It's tough for me to be a productive young man. And so I got suspended. They actually dug into that, saw I did nothing wrong,

and I got reinstated. But at that point, I put my name in the draft. When I put my name in the draft, honestly, I wasn't even putting it in to leave. I also wanted to see, go through the process. I thought I would leave the next year. Let me just go through and see what I'm going to be up against. at that time at camp,

dudes were still playing, like the top dudes were still playing. I went there and killed camp. And that's what my name went from second round and not being drafted to now I'm a lottery pick. And two days, right? And so from there, it was so cold, I was on such, like, a role that...

It was like, look, teams like, you even got to work out when you come here. Just come talk to it. Oh, man. Joe Dean in Detroit, he was when I went and saw Mark Cuban in Dallas. Like, I was going different places, and they were just saying, look, just talk to us

and we'll see what happened. But yeah, that's what happened. Like, it was a dude that had never do a basketball. So this day, he has nothing to do a basketball, and they kick me out for that. That's incredible, man. And now, you know, you look at, you know, the landscape. These kids getting rich nowadays, which I absolutely love.

Like, you got guys literally going back to school, making $2 and $3 million, which I think is incredible. But what do you actually think of the NIA? Because, you know, as good as it is for a kid to go make two, three million dollars and still be in college, there are some downsides of it as well. You know, and I don't mean downsides as far as, like, kids having money and they can't manage it. People have money and can't manage it every day. So don't give me the, they're in trouble because they can't manage money. That's bullshit.

But, you know, where you can't really go for the A-list type companies because the school has a deal with them and those different things. what do you make of the NIL nowadays, especially as someone who essentially, I mean, you didn't even get knocked for you selling your likeness, but yet someone that got knocked and faced the NCA in a different way than most do. You know what's crazy day if the NIL was around 20, 25, 30 years ago, think about how many kids were to stay in school. Think about how much more money the NCAA would have made

because now you're removing the pressure of this kid like, damn, I got to help provide for my family. Damn, I can't get extra money to go to a movie because that's against the rules. I ain't got it. So if they remove it, it's handled right, you know, parents and supports this around them, it's handled right. You can get that money and still not be in a rush to go to the lead. You can not be in a rush to make some of the decisions that are made. Like you can, you can set up shopping, depending on how much it is, you may go set up a small business. You can be able to set up later if fastball doesn't work out.

but you're not the pressure of my mom's lights make it cut off. Like, what we got to pick between paying the light bill. Eating and my sister's school tuition, whenever it might be, it removes that pressure. So I think NIL was in a lot of people, Chris Weber, those guys on the left early. You know what I'm saying?

Like people that come from hard beginning. So I like it. And like you said, there's some downsides to it too. But like anything, it's how do you navigate what it is? Like, even the NBA, right in sport. We all know. If we weren't in the position that we were in and some things that we may have done

happen, it wouldn't be a story. But since we're in this position and we have this light on us, it's going to be talked about. So it's just about how you navigate it, how you're handling. There's no perfect answer, but I really love to see it.

I mean, I had my own student section in Michigan. The crowd had their student section, our school, and I had a headband called the proper crazy. At that time, true story, I'm not saying this to brag. I was at school with Tom Brady. I was more popular than we was.

at that time because Drew Hansen, the quarterback there, and he was going to like the guy. So, yeah, it's just crazy to see how things are formulated. That's crazy. I think just, like, sharing a campus with Tom Brady and being big, like, that's mind-boning itself. But in the same sense, you're a guy that went to have the NBA career that you had, you know, a superstar in your own right?

And I think, you know, when you look at it, A lot of things in the NBA is narrative-driven. I don't think that there's a player in the NBA that played with you or against you that did not think you were a superstar. But by media terms, the narrative wasn't that Jamal Crawford was a superstar. But there wasn't one guy that had to guard you, that played with you, played against you, that didn't think in their mind that you were a superstar. You carries yourself like that.

You play like that. You put up those type numbers. and I just want to say as an opponent, like, bro, I appreciated you and everything that you brought to the game. And most importantly, bigger than anything, the love that you brought to the game of basketball. Like people play this game, man,

and they play it because of what it can do for them. And I don't knock those people. But the love that you brought to the game of basketball and that you show was good for young guys like myself because you get in this league, man, And it's so much going on. And just to see someone with a genuine love, like it rubbed off on myself,

but it rubbed off on a lot of guys, bro. So I just want to say thank you. Because it was absolutely incredible. For real, I appreciate that. You know, I think when I was coming up, it was like, man, that N1 shit ain't going to work in college. How is they going to work? How are you going to lead with that N1 style of play?

Right. And so I'm like, man, I'm just going to master. I'm not trying to be fancy. I'm really just playing off an instinct. I'm just playing. So I'm just going to, like, you see Steph every day, right? Like, Steph, I don't think Steph is trying to be fancy or, he's just playing. He's just in his own zone, just who's.

That's just how he plays, right? And so for me, I just, I navigated so much. And I'm not trying to brag whatsoever, but I think I kind of helped bring the street aspect of it, the streetball culture, to the league and didn't change. Facts. You know what I mean? Like, some people get to lead. They play one way on a player.

and they play one way, right? Like, for me, I was like, I'm, this is who I am. I'm playing the same LA Fitness or 20,000 people. That's just what it is. And I'm an acquired taste. I'm not for everybody, and I get that too. And I love that because you don't want,

you know what I mean? Like, you don't want all the same thing. You bring a whole different aspect to the game, right? And so I'm thankful for it. I always felt confident in my skills. I always tried to do things the right way. I always loved the game. That was always hurts for me.

Even being 40 years old trying to play basketball, it was just love that just pushed me. I mean, when I was a key, I was like, man, I'll pay the NBA to play an NBA. Like, I just, I didn't care about nothing but playing. Like, I just love who. You know what I mean? And that's now coaching my son, right, and doing TV and talking the game, gives me a whole other life as far as, like, how I feel still connected to the game.

And it's just, it's unbelievable. I appreciate you because my son held on to the words, you told him to the finals as well. Like, he talks about it all the time. So I appreciate that, bro. Because to me, to him, I'm just dad, so he ain't listening. But, you know what I mean? Like, I appreciate that. Absolutely.

No. I still follow along on the internet and watch all his highlights and anything that I can see. Young boy special, man. He's special. He gets a big picture. He gets the big picture.

Like I told him, I said, look, we're in this face now. They're going to rank you 500. They're going to make you one. That's not our end game. We don't care what it is. They have tunnel vision and we're playing along.

Just keep building the right way. That's incredible. What do you make? I got a couple of CBA questions for you because I think one of them really I think one of them really will hit you and it'll be the second question but um what do you make number one of the one and done rule possibly it's going to be changed back like it's going to be changed to where you can go back out of high school what what are your sentiments around the one and done rule coming back or being non-existent

I say yeah I would love to see it non-existent like some of the greatest players we've ever seen such a basketball had been his that did not go to couch. From LeBron James to Kobe Bryant to Kevin Garland. Like, some of our favorite players ever were ready. You know, like, who are we to say, oh, this guy's not

Rachel? Actually, if he is ready, I want him to come learn from Grayland. I want him to come to be around. I want him to come be around staff and joy and all these guys, wigs, and all these guys, professional. I didn't learn to be a pro until I have pros around me. When I got the open, when I got Scottie Pippen, when I got Rick

bruntzes. I got Kendall Dio. Now young fellow, being on time is being two hours early, not even the downloads after games, like dressing the right way, presenting yourself the right way, having your business. And I think even if they're not technically quote unquote rage and contribute on the court day one, their acceleration process would be so much faster. Think about Luca. Like these dudes are playing against pros for years. Someone in a year are actually playing his boss. Come on, bro. So now that actually playing against proms, the transition is so much smoother. That shock value is gone. First time, I jump on the court in the preseason, I'll play against

the Charles Free World. And I was like, damn, that's free. You know what I mean? And just that stuff is gone by the time they get there, they can't handle the right way. And that's why I think bets are so important. Vets are invaluable. Vets help set careers. Fets help the next 10 or 15 years after

they're gone for what you're doing with your foundation of your organization. 100%. And I was a guy lucky to have a great vests. I had Jermaine, O'Neill, Jared, Jack. David Lee, Carl Landrie, Bogie, like I had guys that really showed me the way Richard Jefferson.

And it was huge for me. And it's funny that you just said that because it actually leads into my next question, which is I personally think, and the CBA, I think the CBA hurt guys like yourself, whereas all the teams start going younger because the minimums was less

and the money was less. And the tax situations. Exactly. And so teams start going younger and start cutting vets out. I think we're now starting to see the repercussions of that.

I talked to Andre a few not long ago and Andre said, man, basketball has gotten so dumb, so fast. And I think that's in large part due to the CBA and vets

getting cut out and not being able to teach young guys the way. And I also think it affected you towards the end of your career, whereas you can still go out and get 20 on any given night and yet not getting signed due to a tax situation from a team. So what do you make of that and how the CBA kind of start cutting vets out of the league? It's this hardening one. And I would have said this if I was in my prime. Like because I just know the effect that that's played.

They're invaluable if I want to be a better photographer. How can I not? And I have Andy Bernstein who shoots for the NBA and shot for four years and I'll mentor you. I'll show you the way. I'll help you. If I'm going to Microsoft and Steve Bomber's there at the time, how am I not? And he's saying, I want to help your career. How can we not take that knowledge?

So now the bets that come in, if they're not coming to your team or teams that have been around for a while, their bet is 23. What's he going to show that 21-year-old? Like, what are we talking about? And it's hurting basketball because, like you said. And now as a coach especially, because I'm so into it, right? Like, it's crazy. But now as a coach, seeing good basketball is like coach is pouring for me.

Give it up a good one to a great one. Seeing the IQ, seeing the read, seeing the, I tell my team, I said, man, you all understand. Golden States is like organized chaos. They say in random so much. You can't play random unless you have Dre as a quarterback. And you have step in these guys making these split-second decisions, where it's almost like, it's so random, but it's so organized,

but you can't play that way if you don't have a high IQ. You can't play with them. But that's the beauty in it. You know what I mean? It's almost like if you're like with Petino and De Niro in the movie, right? And they got a script,

but they just start average and they're going off each other. That's where the magic happens. The beauty in it, right? And that's what you guys do. And these young fellows will never understand that if they don't have vets, like breaking down film with them.

I have vets. Scott didn't watch film with me. He will break. down like look this is what you're looking at you should be looking at that you should be looking at i'm like oh okay and there's joy in that because that's something you've never been taught with the aAU system not really care about wins and losses because you're playing for a day to day not care because you're getting so much attention at 10 years old right like so it's this a whole like system i'm scared to be honest with you if bets aren't in the game or around the game

calling shots and organization what the next 10 to 15 years look up facts no i agree man Just so you all know, listening to this podcast, there will be a part two because there's no way this conversation. I got a couple of questions for you. Can I ask you a couple questions? Absolutely. Because we're running this back. I'm not going to even try to get there every question. Jay Crossover just took the job on T&T.

We got to do a part two. But yeah, I would love a question. My question for you is, and I'm torn, because I know you guys have a switch. I do. You guys know it. Are you guys going off of that? Like, we know we have a switch because what I'm seeing is

sometimes you guys, like last night, you get the switch and you can do it for spurts when you guys have enough energy and sustain and be able to do it. That's part one. And then the second part is, if you can get that switch, I still have you guys in the playoffs.

I still have you guys come off the way. Like, so is it the regular season versus the playoffs in that switch? Frank, give me inside the locker room. What's going? What do you think? I think we definitely know and understand that we have a switch,

but our struggles this year hasn't been because we're not flicking the switch. Our struggles have been, and by the way, this is why you are who you are. This is why you're great when I watch you on TV and you're going to continue to get better is because you can get people to say things that they probably wouldn't say to anyone else.

And so here I am about to say something that I would not say to anyone else. On the Draymond Green show, don't forget, tap in. Got to tap in. which is, I think a lot of our shortcomings this year is my fault. Why is it my fault? Because I have not been the leader that I am and that I need to be for this team. And the reason that I have not been that leader is also my fault, right?

Like, I think we all know what happened with your young Wolverine brother, JP. And so for me, I've kind of. had to walk a fine line of not really being Draymond. And when I'm not really being myself, that's not the best thing for this team. And so where we've struggled is accountability. And accountability on the defensive and accountability on the offensive and you know the accountability that it takes to have a winning team. And that's my role on this team.

And I fell short in that area. And there's something that, that's something that I have to be better at, that I have to get back, but when I look at our struggles, it's not just because we haven't flipped the switch. No, it's because guys haven't been, I being the number one corporate, who they need to be in fulfilling their roles on this team. And like I said, I'm number one because it all starts with leadership. And although I'm not the only leader on this team, that's my area of leadership. See, I lead, Steph Lee, Andre Lee, Clay, but we all lead in different areas. Different ways, right.

Yeah, and that's my area of leadership, and I have fell short there. So I don't think it's necessarily a, like, we just not flipping a switch. I think it's more so we have to really dive in on those things, starting with me. I have to be better at holding guys accountable and not stay hostage to the preseason situation. You know, don't let it hold me hostage because in turn is going to hold this team hostage. So I have to come out of that. And I'm been working to come out of that. And I'm starting to turn the corner.

And I feel like when I turn the corner there, it will allow everyone else to turn the corner. And so that's what I feel has been wrong. And I don't think it's just to flip. Although we can't flip it, I don't think it's been that. I think it's been accountability and it's all my fault.

I think what you just said, and that's why you are who you are. Because there's so many stars, super star, Hall of Famers who don't hold that accountability, especially self-accountability. Because the most honest moments coming is you and God, man. You know, because you can't lie to either one.

And what you just did right there is exactly why you guys will put this with. That's the perfect way to and part one. I don't know what you got going late on tonight, but we need this part two today. I don't know what you got going on. We can do that today. You let me know your schedule. We'll hop back on the night,

but we're still going to send it out to y'all part one and part two. And just so y'all know, we're going to shoot it. Tonight, I appreciate you, my brother.