The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green w/Baron Davis - REACT to Thunder-Pacers NBA Finals, Game 7 predictions, Lakers $10B sale!

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

Game 7 of the NBA Finals between Tyrese Haliburton’s Indiana Pacers and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s Oklahoma City Thunder is here, and Draymond Green and Baron Davis are breaking down all th...e pressure on OKC, explaining why Indiana is playing with house money, and explaining how this could be a defining moment for the Thunder’s future. They dive deep on Scottie Pippen and compare J-Dub to him. Plus, they discuss the truth about “ring culture” after LeBron James’s viral comments, and how a $10 billion Lakers sale changes everything. Plus, why legends should be celebrated more, what the media got wrong in Memphis, and the wild Desmond Bane trade. #HERD #VOLUME 0:00 - Welcome Back BD!1:00 - Siakam Poster Dunk2:26 - Why Game 7 Is All on OKC16:29 - J-Dub and Scottie Pippen Comparison26:32 - Mindset Going Into A Game 7 /31:00 - Draymond’s Game 7 Blueprint for Indiana39:20 – “Ring Culture Is a Disease” — Baron Davis54:30 – Reacting to Desmond Bane’s Trade to Orlando1:03:48 – Lakers Sell for $10 BILLION — Now What?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I mean, this is game seven of the NBA finals. Everybody got pressure. Everybody want to win. But all the pressure of these games is on OKC. You at home, you've had the best record all year, and it all comes down to one game. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show. We got BD back in the building.
Starting point is 00:00:23 What's up, my daughter? What's happening? What's up, my guy? What's going on, man? Excuse me. I got ahead of myself. Welcome back to the Draymond. Green Show with Baron Davis.
Starting point is 00:00:35 I got excited. We got BD back in the building. No. My dog. I got excited back in the building. Yeah. All around the world. What's happening?
Starting point is 00:00:47 What's happening, man? Chilling, bro. Just chilling, you know. The best two words in sports. But we'll get into that, man. We would definitely get into that. Before we get into that, what was the coldest moment from game
Starting point is 00:01:02 six for you. The dunk, the Pascal dunk. That was sick. Halliburton with the no look. Pascal. I don't know who he dunked on. Jaylon Williams. Yikes. He dunked on him so cold. He almost broke his back. And he almost broke him down. That was, that was, that was it. That was a backbreaker. I don't know. Jay Doe can bounce back from that at game seven. God. You can't, you can't keep falling. like that. That's the second time you don't fail like that. I love that he can try to go to the rim and get it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:39 No, you got to respect it. He's a championship. His footwork, his footwork was incredible too. You know what? The play reminded me of he just wasn't able to get the block. But the play actually reminded me of when I ran out the dame and he threw it to Noah Von Leigh and I took that same angle back to the rim. and I pented Norvon Leitchie.
Starting point is 00:02:04 You know, that was a huge play in that series. But it reminded me of that play. It looked like the same thing. He took the exact route. The ending of it just was a little bit. Just got punched down. That's what happened. I mean, that was a great play.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Indiana was rocking, rolling. Pacers forced a game seven, incredible fashion. What do each team have to take away for their chance? to win. Like, what is, what are the patients feeling now that they blew them out? What is OKC feeling like now that they got blown out and it looked like, oh, the patients may have figured them out? You know, I think the Pacers, you're going in confident, like, yo, we know what we got. I think if you're OKC, you may be, especially, again, they've never been here.
Starting point is 00:02:54 There's one thing if you've been there before. But if you're OKC, you're going to you a little shaken by it. And if I'm, the Pacers, I'm coming out. Like, yo, I know they're a little shaking by what just happened. We got to come out fire. We got to come out pounce. We need one of those, Pascal Seaccom, 14.1st quarters. Like, we need Halley to come out firing. Like, we got to come out and pounce. If you're the pastures, now, and saying all of that, as much as that could be the case game, seven, all that other stuff go out the window. Right. It goes out the window from a standpoint of like they beat us here, we beat them there.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Y'all both tied at 3-3. The record go out the window. This is a one-game series. What you could face, though, is game seven, now just get a little tight. I've seen it. You know what I'm saying? I play Houston. They saw them miss 27-3s in a row.
Starting point is 00:03:54 They didn't miss 27-3s in a row. Like, our defense was great and our game plan was working. Some of them threes was open, but they had tightened up. You know what I'm saying? And we knew they was going to tighten up. And we planned on them tighten up. We couldn't foresee them missing 27 threes in a row. But we knew that they was going to tighten up.
Starting point is 00:04:15 And so going into this game, I think all the pressure, I mean, this is game seven of the NBA finals. Everybody got pressure. Everybody want to win. But all the pressure in this game is on OKC. You have at home. You've had to. record all year, and it all comes down to one game. And what can you do to win this one game?
Starting point is 00:04:39 But y'all's supposed to win the game. You see what I'm saying? Like Indiana not supposed to win game seven. Yeah. Against the team that won 68 games was the number one team. They're not supposed to win. But the problem with going to game seven is the Cleveland Cavaliers was down 3-1 and not supposed to win facing the team that won 60-73 games. and it's a coin flip. All it takes is one Kyrie Irvin shot to flip the game.
Starting point is 00:05:07 One LeBron James chased down block would still hunt me to this game. To change the whole shit. Yeah. And so that's what OKC is up against. It's like all it take is a couple plays to change this whole thing, but they are supposed to win. So pressure is all on them. And OKC, I mean, Indiana coming out with a free swing,
Starting point is 00:05:33 and they coming out playing loose. Like, we ain't got nothing to lose. We were never supposed to be here in the first place. We ain't got nothing to lose. It's game seven. Let's go out swinging. And so I think this, like, I want to see what OKC going to do. Because I'll tell you this, BD, if OKC don't win this championship Sunday,
Starting point is 00:05:55 they may never win a championship. All right, so look, I was having the conversation, and I won't say his name, but a good buddy, team exec. He was like, if OKC don't win this, they'll get one over the next three years. Do you believe that? At the rate the league is going, like, it's a new champion. It's going to be a new champion every year for the last, what, five, seven years?
Starting point is 00:06:24 I don't think so. And here's why. I think they get in the tough position. if they don't win a championship because when you get the opportunity to win a championship, if you win it, you get yourself the opportunity to win more.
Starting point is 00:06:41 But if you lose it, now you start tweaking stuff to like, ah, we need to do this, we need to do that. And those tweaks could put you further away from where you were. And now, let's talk to money. The money, shape out the sign, for 80 a year.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Jay Dub about to get paid, he ain't going to be on no rookie contract no more. Chet about to get paid, he ain't going to be on no rookie contract no more. So the way the CBA works, just off your numbers, you lose the likes of the Lou Dorts, you lose the likes of the Alice Caruso's,
Starting point is 00:07:22 you lose the likes of the Isaiah Hardenstein's, because right now you can have those guys making the money they make because you've got two guys on rookie contracts that's two of your top three players. It's the same thing that happened with us in Golden State. Steph signed for $11 million a year because he's coming off the ankle injuries
Starting point is 00:07:42 allows us to pay Andre Godala and Bogot and D. Lee. Meanwhile, me and Clay and Clay and Clay making $3 million. I'm making $800,000. You know what I'm saying? So it's fine. That's how you feel your team. And guess what?
Starting point is 00:08:02 That's how you feel your team. We won in that window, which then extended it because we won in that window. And so I think, I think this is their chance. And the tweaks were not major. They were minor to upgrade and sustain the run. I got it. Okay, see, I say the same thing. You have so much talent over there.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Mm-hmm. And you're going to run out of money, right? because you have to pay your top three dogs. How do you, like, and if they obviously share is dominant, we see what J. Dub is doing, you know, the other one was, okay, how dominant is Chet and how much of a unicorn is Chet going to be to be that third person taking up, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:51 the third lion's share of that capital to make it hard to fill out the pieces that you need that are ultimate complimentary stars, I would say. I caught all these young new stars that round out your tan, right? So how do you, if you don't land, how do you move forward?
Starting point is 00:09:15 You start looking at... Without tweaking. You start looking at those pieces. Like, ah, wasn't quite good enough. Tax bills start to creep up. Oh, man, we... And we're there, we got a tax bill. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:09:27 And then you also, here's another part of it, though, B.D. You also then get the likes of the media questioning, can y'all three do it together? You get the likes of the media saying, she need to get a ball to J. Dubmore. You get the likes of the media like, Mark Dodd knows what's the coach that can get them there, but he ain't the coach to get them over the hump. Now you're fighting all that stuff. You know what I'm saying? You got to fight narratives.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Absolutely. You've got to fight those narratives. And they've been a great team, right? I know we talked about them earlier in the year about, man, we ain't never seen nothing like that. It's kind of didn't feel right. But that's how they operate, right? They're still doing the interviews together.
Starting point is 00:10:12 They're still doing the post game. They are a unified team. So when you start tweaking that camaraderie and you start tweaking them pieces, some of those are emotional pieces, right? some of those are needs. Superstars need certain people and they look at certain people on the bench, right? Like there's connective tissue
Starting point is 00:10:33 that maybe a gym may not see that thinks that a better player is an upgrade from someone that's probably equally as talented, but is willing to sit, right? So that's fine. It's do or die for it. What you're saying is it's do or die for OKC.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Their best chances right now. Think about Boston, BD. Boston had a chance to win a championship. It didn't work out. They got rid of Marcus Smart. Yeah. Right. They kind of had to wave the white flag.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Like, it ain't working. We got to keep our two guys, but we ain't about to win a championship. And then what happens? Milwaukee trades for Dame Lillet, send Drew Holiday to Portland. If you remember, Boston, they have a point guard going into the season, I mean, you know, in that offseason. And, but they trade Drew Holiday to a place that he don't want to be that's just trying to get picks.
Starting point is 00:11:36 And boom, they fall into Drew Holiday and they rejuvenated them. They retweet and then they get four fingers and they work out, right? And so, but they had kind of, they knew like, oh, we ain't do it. That's it. and then they kind of lucked up into this situation. It's like, oh, now we can, you know what I'm saying? So that's where OKC at. Like they got to win it right now.
Starting point is 00:12:00 If not, they got to win it right now. It's way tougher to win next year. Way time. Because also check this out, VD. People are healthy. Yes. People are healthy. It's a different story.
Starting point is 00:12:12 It's a way different story. People are healthy. You know, everybody got a fresh start and you don't know who've been putting that working, that's going to take somebody over the hump. Let's take it a step further, bro. Check this. They won 68 games this year, right?
Starting point is 00:12:29 They weren't the unbeatable team in the league, right? Teams going to start building the beat y'all next year. You know what I'm saying? So even if they don't win it, teams going to be building to beat them because they were so dominant during the regular season. Now what are you, yeah, so what are you chasing now? Because you can't go into the regular season. I used to say that about Milwaukee, man.
Starting point is 00:12:51 When Milwaukee was always in first place, beating the shit out of people, I was like, man, Milwaukee is not going to win the title because they are never in any close games. I said, in order for Milwaukee to win the championship, they got to be in fourth, fifth place. So they struggle. They need to know what a struggle look like. And then, lo and behold, what are they in the fourth fifth seat? They win the NBA Finals. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:13:17 It's going to be hard for OKC. Because now what are you, what are you chasing a record? Are you, now you fighting and fighting for first place because you know I need home court advantage. Mm-hmm. I need home court advantage. So the whole season is going to be different than it was this year. Yeah. Because every team is going to get better.
Starting point is 00:13:40 Every team is going to get better for you. And other people want that number one spot. The Warriors want it. Memphis think they deserve it. Denver won it back. Now you got people like they know the value of home court advantage. Houston, they're going to be back. Everybody gunning. Everybody is gunning for the Lakers, you know, maybe.
Starting point is 00:14:05 Clippers. People know that this playoffs has proven that home court advantage is key and clutch. and in order to be a championship team, which both of the teams, you've got to be able to win on the road, but you got to be, that home got to be, hey, we're not losing at home.
Starting point is 00:14:28 I agree, I agree. And it's going to be hard for them. 1,000%. Indiana on the other end, what do you think about them? I think they free roller. Like, they plan with house money. They was never supposed to be here.
Starting point is 00:14:41 And they coming out. Right. And if I'm Indiana, I'm coming out, I'm playing so loose. And I'm going to tell you this. If I'm Indiana, I'm coming out, I'm doing all I can to take Jay Dub out of the game. Because Jay Dub, I think if they can take him out the game, he's the key to that team. She's going to do what he do. And you take the second option away.
Starting point is 00:15:12 That's what you have to do in order to win a championship. Did you see Scotty's quote or Scotty when he was talking about J. Dub in the comparison? No. So Scotty made a comparison. Scotty said he is pretty special. I'm enjoying watching him. I see a lot of me and him for sure. I see a guy rising to be one of the top players in his lead.
Starting point is 00:16:47 He's a player capable of leading that franchise to multiple championships. him and Shea, of course. And so my question is, you know, does J. Dub remind you of Scotty? And, you know, Scotty got his thing against Mike. So did Scottie put J. Dub name before Shade and slides Shay in? Is that still Scotty sliding Mike a little bit? I mean. Damn.
Starting point is 00:17:14 You know. Oh, and of course, Shea. You know what I feel like it is? Scotty Pippin want people to talk about Scotty Pippin like people talk about Mike. You know what I mean? So like, and we need to talk about Scotty Pippin more about Scotty Pippin. How cold Scotty Pippin is without Mike, right?
Starting point is 00:17:41 We know he had Mike. That's cool. But Scotty Pippin, cold. For sure. Right, of course. One of the coldest, top 50. top 25 when you start thinking about it. Gang, a whole new,
Starting point is 00:17:56 Scotty Pippin is the mode. Right? He is the mode. He is the mode that you can see in developing a youth player, 6-8, 6-9, 6-10, versatility. Say it up, I think is a Scotty Pippen. I think he's of that mode.
Starting point is 00:18:20 right and he's every you know every generation you get to redefine or or evolve right somebody who who was like a mold of you right a one of one but it's like man that was kind of like my uh my sense like that was my sense say that dude got a black belt fight like this my style my black belt style is like this that's kind of like j duff with scotty pipp right little Scotty Pippin, more Scotty Pippin than anybody else. Not a grand heel, you know, not in that mode. It's like when you look at the mode of what Scotty do with J.W. do on the defensive end, how hard he play, right?
Starting point is 00:19:06 What he can do offensively, where you may get him fucked up and think he can't score or can't make plays. Like, he is the one. Like, you just said it. He is the one. and it's up to him to be able to, like, be his own Scotty Pippin, right? Scotty Pippen was Scotty Pippen coming to the game, right? On the board, you playing against the Bulls, you know, on the little chart and on the board to coach write Michael Joy, whatever he write. Scotty Pippet.
Starting point is 00:19:44 We're going to spend 20 on Jordan. We're going to spend 20 on Pippen. Right? Because Pippin going to disrupt, he's going to disrupt everything you got going. And so that's, I think, I think J-D up needs to be his,
Starting point is 00:19:59 man, you need to go and be, you need to go build the name like Scotty Pippen built the name, rocking with Jordan. Right? And then you got to be your own mole, your own 101.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Because, I mean, Scotty Pippen, one of the codists ever do it, well, let's, let's call, let's call a fact,
Starting point is 00:20:16 the fact, and j-dub to your point he he is the one that's going to be the linchpin right and the glue and the person to get them over the hump when you watch the bulls and when they beat the lakers right scotty pippin on magic johnson i watched that gang i disrupted the whole gang right when you watch the bulls when they played played against uh Utah, right? Scotty Pippen making big shots, right, doing the same thing. You may only see the Jordan highlights, but don't forget, there's somebody in that game disrupting the entire flow of the game and you have to pay attention to that Scotty Piper. I agree. I think obviously Scotty's greatness is not to be debated. Yeah. But he is kind of like throwing, you know, the mic thing to the- He's doing that for sure.
Starting point is 00:21:18 He's doing that. I think doing that, he dumps down how great he is, though. Because it almost makes you compare it to Mike, which, like, come on, we can't, like, we can't really compare Scottie to Mike. Sometimes our ego don't let us articulate, and we got to articulate how unmatchable that, that dynamic was. But I think also, I think also BD,
Starting point is 00:21:52 I think Scotty's tailspin has really been since the documentary. You know, his tailspin has really been like that documentary came out and he kind of been tailspinning since. So I try to, I try to,
Starting point is 00:22:09 you know, always have some compassion and when I take a step back and I look at it, I may feel away too after the documentary feels like that and I know I had the impact I had. You know, It would suck if, you know, if Steph sat down and I feel like I didn't get the credit that I deserve, you know what I'm saying? Now, on the flip side, in the documentary, Mike talk about Scotty and how, you know, great Scotty was.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Mike, I always talk about how great Scott. He said, he don't never say nothing without Scotty. Me and Scottie. For sure. Me and Scott. But the, but the documentary was MJ Heavy, but it's. MJ, like a Warrior's documentary, as much impact as I had, Clay had, a Warriors documentary going to be heavy, Steph Curry. Like, that's just what it is.
Starting point is 00:23:02 So, I don't know, man. I still be wishing well for Scotty, man. Yeah, let's say this. Michael Jordan is the son. You know what I'm saying? We wake up as a hooper. You're waking up to Michael Jordan. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:23:24 For sure. Like, and, and that's it, right? So, Scotty, you just,
Starting point is 00:23:31 like, you're a moon. You're a son too. Like, well, Michael Jordan, you're waking up in basketball.
Starting point is 00:23:39 So the documentary going to be about the most charismatic Mike's larger than life. On court, you know, and like,
Starting point is 00:23:49 yeah, they follow him Mike. They follow him Mike, man. Just, don't let the celebrity don't let the celebrity like tell your side of the story. Help me. That's it.
Starting point is 00:24:01 Because your shit is just compelling and it may be even better because we get a broader perspective. We get more people involved. But that's, you know, that's just power of media. Media, and that's what you were saying about OKC. Like,
Starting point is 00:24:18 the media can can separate Shay and Jay Duh. Right. Yes, they can. But it's up to shade it and J-dub to do what Mike and Scotty did. You got to go win. You got to do what Steph and Clay and Jay did. You got to go do what Kobe. Like Kobe and Shaq had the most drama, all the drama all the time.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Yes, they did. But they won. But they won. Mm-hmm. But they won. They figured it out and they say, yo, I know I got. I got Shaq and Shaq got 20 minutes. They're going to go over a reviewer every which way to guard Shaq.
Starting point is 00:24:58 They're going to go over 20 minutes every which way to guard me. Everybody else is going to get two minutes. Yep. That's a fact. If that. Yeah, if you can get five, six minutes and somebody scouting report, you're a cold piece of work. Absolutely. We always on national TV because we're a great team and we've had the success.
Starting point is 00:25:21 But by no mistake, make no mistake about it. We're always on national TV because Steph Curry is on our blackie. And so people be like, yo, y'all's schedule is crazy. Like, y'all travel crazy. And what I try to tell people is well. The NBA schedule is built off the national TV game. Every year we have the most national TV games. And so our schedule is crazy.
Starting point is 00:25:45 You know what I say to people? You know, Buddy Hill and those guys, right? Like they come in, they ain't never really been on. no team that played national TV games like that. And buddy's like, man, y'all's schedule crazy. You know, that's the Steph Curry effect, brother. You're going to be on national TV all the time, which in turn makes that schedule a little crazy.
Starting point is 00:26:07 That is the luck, pleasure of playing with Steph Curry. And so to your point, the camera going to follow Mike. Get in where you fit in, use it to your benefit, where you can use it to your benefit, ultimately knowing. of course and that's just that of course like that let's come on that's just that
Starting point is 00:26:30 all right you played in the game seven at home what are your thoughts to uh if you're okay see like what is your mindset um going into a game seven and then what was your experience before game seven against uh the calves like what were you going
Starting point is 00:26:50 like what was the What was your energy coming out of game six going into game seven? And then, you know, what is that, what is being at home on a game seven feel like? I think the only game seven of my career I played at home was 2016, NBA Finals game seven. And what I'll tell you is the home court don't mean anything. Oh, Brian. Because if you can get the crowd involved, great. But you know how loud Oracle was when Kyrie ever hit that show?
Starting point is 00:27:28 It was super loud. Like, don't. You know how quiet it was after he hit that shot? The whole court don't mean anything because, again, this is a one-game series. So one guy, this March Madness, this is single elimination. One guy can get hot and go berserk. And that's just that. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:27:46 Like, so I don't think game seven mean anything. So to that point, if I'm okay C, I'm coming into this game and I'm like, yo, fellas, if they hit first, like we got to come out, we got to come out swinging button, we may get punched first. We just got to stay the course. Play our game. Don't panic. Stay the course. No matter who hit first, we have to stay the course. because if not, it can get the better of them. And again, the emotions is just different. They're supposed to win. So that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:28:26 For me, going into game seven against the Calip— against the Cavs at home, I'm like, yo, I've been all suspended for game five. We really had no chance at winning game six. Game seven, I got to come out. I got to go crazy because we got to win. And so that was my mindset. That's why I came out fire in the way. I did. Then you see a couple go through. You're like, oh, man, like, let's, let's go.
Starting point is 00:28:48 And so I felt like I needed to play great. It's that desperation. Absolutely. It's that desperation. Being at home, it's like you have a little bit of more of a desperation to be up when the clock run out. Right. And then being on the road, you're more like the hunter. So you're just trying to get kills in moments where, all right, they have six, let's get it to two. You know, they're up eight, let's get it to four. Like you're looking at smaller kills, whereas the home team is like, man, we got to brine it.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Like, think about all the great game, game sevens, even the Lakers Celtics, when Ron was talking about hitting that shot. Like that, that game was like, man, whoever hit the next book, it is probably going to win. Right? We didn't score for me. No team scored for four minutes. I know. It gets tight.
Starting point is 00:29:48 And it gets tight. And it get tight not because you can't score because your level, it looks like the level of desperation goes into this superpower of like, dude, whatever energy I got left from the whole season, I'm about to give it all in this last six. minutes. And everybody is so, everybody is really focused on getting a stop. You've never seen something so beautiful in basketball than a game seven
Starting point is 00:30:25 when both teams going back and forth and can't score. It's like, that's the drama, right? That's the drama because the next bucket could be the bucket, like, like a three-pointer could break your back, right?
Starting point is 00:30:42 Free throws could break it back. Yes, he can. So it's... I'm glad you was out here. And one bucket can change everything. Andre make that layup. Oh, that's over. It changes everything, you know?
Starting point is 00:30:57 So my mind, that was my mindset. That's how I'm rolling, you know. So I want to see the Pacers come out. I think Rick Carlisle has not showed everything. And I think the Pacers win this game by Rick Carlisle coming out and out coached Mark Dagnoe. This is the biggest game in Martin Dagnoe's coaching career. This is first time playing in the game of this magnitude.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Rich Carlisleau coach the team to a championship. And I think if I'm Rick Carlisle, Rick Carlisle game player need to be so crazy in order for the Pacers team to come out and win. And I think that's their upper hand. has Rick been there? And I think Rick got something in his back pocket. And if I'm Rick, here's my game player. OK, see, at times struggle to score.
Starting point is 00:31:48 I think we all can agree on that. Every time Jay Dub come off a pick and roll, I'm all out blitzing him. You're not getting downhill. You're not finishing at the rim. You're not getting comfortable. I'm an all-out blitz on him every time he come off a pick-and-roll. He also not accustomed to getting blitz. So you can throw something at him game seven.
Starting point is 00:32:09 that they don't really have much time to adjust to. You can throw something at him that ain't seen, and he got to try to adjust to that and the biggest game of his life with all the money on the line. I'm guarding Shay one-on-one with Andrew Nimhart, and I'm telling Nimhart,
Starting point is 00:32:29 don't play in front of him. Play on the side of him. If you play on the side of him, he can't get to step back like that to create all the separation. if you sit in front of him he's going to drive you down he's going to step back
Starting point is 00:32:44 and he's going to create this much space and he's shooting the wild open so we're not helping we're not in the gaps on Shay either you are just guarding him one-on-one if he give you 50 if he give you 40 and you garden him one-on-one
Starting point is 00:32:58 fine reason being I'm staying home on Lou Dorr no assist I'm staying home on Aaron Wiggins I'm staying home on Isaiah Joe I'm staying home on Alice Caruso
Starting point is 00:33:11 because I think these guys if they start hitting threes and they're at home so they get the feeling good Jake is Jay getting this 35 anyway and if you got
Starting point is 00:33:22 Jay Dub getting off and you got it's too much so I'm staying at home on all of those guys Shay go for 50 beat us with your 50 we're not letting these guys
Starting point is 00:33:32 get nothing because if Caruso gets 16 Lou Dorke get 12 or 14 Wiggins get 12 12 to 14, they stand no chance at winning. So my game plan is we're not overreacting to stay driving them hard.
Starting point is 00:33:49 You're going to force them to drive. And at the rim, the big need to rotate over late and just get a contest at the rim. Oftentimes when that big come over and shake it all the way to the rim, he fall down. And now, I'm Indiana. I want my advanced pass. If I'm Rick Carlisle, I'm telling Halliburton, which he does, I'm telling him making a point. Advance the ball to Pascal out ahead every time.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Pascal can then get to the paint. He penetrates the defense and get to the paint. He's the only player on their team that can draw a double team. And he even do it in transition where he gets to the pain, he gets to the middle of the rear, get to the middle of the lane, front of the rail, and everybody come down. That's what I think they have to do. and let Pascal create that double team
Starting point is 00:34:42 and then kick it out. And they offense flow from there. You know what I'm saying? But you also, when they don't come down to double team, that's how Pascal get the 14 to 16 points in the first quarters. You know what I'm saying? And so that's my game plan in a nutshell if I'm Indiana. That's what I'm doing.
Starting point is 00:35:02 That's how I'm coming in and getting this win. That's what need to be the focus, in my opinion. That's great coaching. So we'll see. Yeah, it's, and then if, you know, if you okay, see, then it's packed the pain, make them get three point happy. Don't let Indiana get points in the pain because that's kind of how they've been beating you. That's how they've been standing games.
Starting point is 00:35:30 It's how they've been getting back in games. Make them three point happy. Make them jump shooters. Don't let T.J. McConnell, Pro. So, right, no more probing. No more probing. I'm staying in the lane. I'm making them kick out.
Starting point is 00:35:46 And then as soon as I close out, if they don't shoot the three and I close out, I'm in mad. Because you see they get paralyzed if their offense is not in flow and they have to play one-on-one basketball. So you start making every player a one-on-one player, but not an offensive playmaker, because they want to draw and kick, get to the elbow, kick out.
Starting point is 00:36:10 I don't have nothing kick out, and they move well. So just stay tight, give them the three, contest. And then if they don't shoot the three, one-on-one. Because Miles Turner is just sitting at the three-point line. And I got to live with that today. Yeah. I'm going to live with that on game seven on the row, right? Like you're saying, it's tight.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Man, go get 40 hitting seven-three. See, Lou did it to me. We was at home. We still lost. Yeah. Because after a while, like, you know, it's a volume thing at that point. For sure. Yeah, but that was a great take, man.
Starting point is 00:36:51 Come on. Rick Harlow, the Yoda, the Yoda, the Mr. Miyagi. Yes, sir. Versus Daniel's son. This is the oldest NBA coach, right, versus one of the youngest NBA. NBA coaches. And it's going to be a, you know, a battle of the mind.
Starting point is 00:37:13 So that's great analysis, my bro. Great analysis. I appreciate the best man. Win. So who you taking to win it, BD? All right. This is what I'm saying. If Indiana is anywhere down six with six minutes to go,
Starting point is 00:38:18 I'm taking Indiana. Mm. I just think the basketball gods may favor history. Indiana has been added longer The story You know The underdog This reminds me of the year ago
Starting point is 00:38:38 The state won the championship There's always Seattle There's always those Underdog teams that The Warriors first title Right There was these underdog Type of storylines
Starting point is 00:38:52 That happened in the league So Yep I mean some of the shots they hit this playoffs does seem like they have destiny on their side. Man, like the Angels in the Outfield, right? It does feel like they have destiny on their side.
Starting point is 00:39:14 So we shall see. Move around this league a little bit. We got to start one of the biggest stories of the week. Brian recently said ring culture has hurt the game. It's basically that judge and greatness only by championships, disrespect, legends like Iris and and Barkley. Do you agree with that? I definitely agree with them.
Starting point is 00:39:33 You know, I think that, you know, our narrative as, and our stories have been in the hands of, you know, media or reporters, and it's like their opinion, right? And not to disrespect, you know, them in the game because they play a big part of the game, but the stories should be told from the players themselves, right? the perspective of who they are and what we mean. And so when you think about ring culture, it's, you know, it's becoming, you know,
Starting point is 00:40:08 something that's kind of like corporatizing or stelling the conversation about really what this game is about. It's, you know, you as a kid, play basketball to fit in on a team, right? And develop a game and a style that ultimately, evolves into you know,
Starting point is 00:40:31 Jemond Green, Hall of Fame, right? So your accolades is one thing, but it's more so like your story, your journey, right? What you did, how you get there, how you overcame, right? And so as overachievers, right?
Starting point is 00:40:50 People who don't necessarily understand that can paint whatever picture that they want to paint for you in your time in the league. So, you know, for me, I think when you just talk about dudes who get rings, or you just say like, oh, these dudes who got rings are the only ones capable of running teams and things like that, then you really mess up the culture because, as you know, not everybody on the team is qualified and capable. and if they were not some of them,
Starting point is 00:41:27 if they were not on that team, right, they are replaceable. And then it limits the capacity for new rings and new people, right? We have so many great basketball players, great basketball minds in this game, that they get underserved, right? Underappreciated.
Starting point is 00:41:45 Their stories are undertowed. Their highlights are, you know, undersubscribed to, right? Mm-hmm. So, like, that ring coach, it is it's kind of like a disease because depending on who you are, you can just jump out there and use your decorations and your merit, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:10 as something for media or fans to be like, oh, this dude is, you know, not saying you're not an expert because we all experts, but like you can paint whatever narrative you want. and that's that's what I don't like I think
Starting point is 00:42:28 I think green culture took a big turn and came into play in large part due to the success of the Golden State Warriors I agree what I would say about what Brian said is this I think
Starting point is 00:42:40 ultimately what Brian was saying is what I took away from it is you get guys like a Stephen A here's what I took away from it verbatim to me it felt like Stephen A is someone who talks a lot about rings and you don't know what it takes to win a ring because you've never won a ring and you've never gone through it and you don't understand it because you've never
Starting point is 00:43:09 gone through it that sometimes when you get an opportunity to win and you don't kick that door down it can change everything and because you don't know how hard it is because you've never going through it, then you start using it to lessen the greatness of some of the greats. And is having a ring important course? Like, does it add to legacy? Does it step legacies? Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Not going to sit here and act like having rings or a ring don't matter. It does matter. But it doesn't make Barclay less great as he was. It doesn't make Alan Iverson less great than what they were. And I think when people use it, they use it to kind of dim the greatness, dim the light on guys. And that's what I felt like Brown was getting that. Like verbatim, I think, you know, Stephen A and him been having their thing.
Starting point is 00:44:09 And to me, as soon as I heard it, I watched it, I was like, that's what I came away with it. It felt like he's talking directly to Stephen A and those type of guys. and if you've never done it, you don't know how hard it is. So in turn... You don't even know how hard it is to try and get to you here, man. There are more great players
Starting point is 00:44:31 than great players that won rames. Yes. 1,000%. Right? So there are more great players who have it won rings than the great players that have one rames. And like, that's the way we got to look at it is like that's what like I was looking at uh magic right you know I was
Starting point is 00:44:57 a little history of the game site and I was going through magic and I was like man magic have five that means in an entire decade right there were only five other winners but bird at what three so that leaves to play damn near your career, right? You got, you got a shot at being a champion in two of the 10 years every 10 years you play. Mm-hmm. That's a fact, though.
Starting point is 00:45:36 That's a fact. Like CP and J. That's wild. If they don't run into us, they probably do win a championship. Or at least have a chance. You know? And so, no, sometimes. That's just how the cookie crumbles.
Starting point is 00:45:52 But that don't mean them guys aren't great. And that don't mean Chris Paul not a winner. Chris Paul is a winner. He just couldn't quite. It's so many things that have to go right for you to win a champion. It's not just like, oh, I played good. And it's not like objective. Like, it's not an objective.
Starting point is 00:46:12 It's very subjective. There are so many things that have to fall into place for it to happen. And so to just lessen someone's greatness because of it, I think that's wrong. I'm not saying, again, that having the rings don't matter. It fucking matter. When I walk in a room, I feel great about the four rings. It's a different energy. Of course, right?
Starting point is 00:46:33 It's a difference. It's a difference. But that does not lessen someone else's greatness because all of those things then fall in place for them to get the ring. And that's what I took away from it. that's what I felt like Brown was saying. I hate when they talk about dudes as they get older, right? And as you get older, I, you know, I didn't get that chance to experience that,
Starting point is 00:47:01 but I think as I got older in my career, I would have wanted to play for championship teams, right? Mm-hmm. But I think also, like, a big thing about the media is that we need to be celebrating these dudes on their way out. Yeah. talking about who they were and they peaked showing the storyline because obviously, you know, Chris Paul today is definitely not the Chris Paul that I played against, right? And that was like,
Starting point is 00:47:31 golly, you know what I mean? Like, yo, you want to watch, you know, you tap it all the way in. Absolutely. We got to understand like,
Starting point is 00:47:40 and I would say this happened in the past. And we got to appreciate the evolution. And it's like a fine one. You know, it's like, it's like classic hip hop, right? Like these dudes came into the game as renegade painters painted their style. And then on their exit, you know, they became more of a, you know, more of like capsulizing their masterpiece in different forms. That's a fun. Right.
Starting point is 00:48:08 And more so like what they leave into the game. So I just don't like that because it should be pissing me off because you can talk. because you can talk about oh you can like uh you know even Oscar Robinson said Jemont Green just passed the ball to Steph Curry like what pissed me off about that is like bro like you gotta watch the body of work
Starting point is 00:48:30 homie mm-hmm you have to watch the body of work right yeah shut the fuck up right or and and you don't just look at towards the end of somebody career and say Oh, that is like the way we seen them. No, we got to paint the picture of like, this is what they evolved into. This is the artist they involved into.
Starting point is 00:48:54 This is the statue. This is why D. Way get a statue. Yep. Right. Like, we got to like start speaking more and, you know, in people's like in present day. Mm-hmm. And not just making like bold and wild ass statements without doing no research because then, you know, I feel your sentiment now. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:49:16 right i feel your sentiment now because we got to start highlighting the greatness that's all because the media are going to talk the same what the fuck they don't want to say about draymond or draymond is this or chris paul is that or lebron is this or like we got to do a katie is this we got to do a better job of like speaking on their greatness that's a fact well one thing is for certain just because you were a great basketball player don't make you smart and it don't make you no basketball. So, you know, those two things can be mutually excused. And I think in that case, it was very mutually exclusive. So that's my little single shot. That's my little
Starting point is 00:49:55 single shot for the day. Just because you were a great basketball player, I see this all the time. I see people say stuff and I'd be like, somebody's going to listen to that because they're like, oh, that person was a great basketball player. They know, listen, a lot of them be dumb too. And that was just a dumb statement in the show colors. And, I'll leave that at, I'll leave that at that, you know. And then to bring it full circle, people with rings are the same in the same category. So you got to just respect great basketball minds.
Starting point is 00:50:27 In big news, Desmond Bank is trading. I want to move on to that too, but I got some for you. I want to go to here real quick. Yeah. All right. So to your point on as you age in this, and it's like to some, in sports, but I'm going to tell you where else is prevalent like this. People don't allow
Starting point is 00:50:48 athletes to age and appreciate, to your point, appreciate what they've done. They try to make where they are then all of what they've done. You know where else that happened at and I hate it and I think it actually ruins the industry
Starting point is 00:51:04 in a major way because you're not allowed the industry essentially ends up always starting over because you don't allow the greats, the age, and like appreciate just the age and process of it. Right. You want to always take it back to where it was.
Starting point is 00:51:27 You know the other industry that's like that? Music. Bingo. Rap. Bingo. Rap. Bingo. All day.
Starting point is 00:51:35 There's no, there's no, there's no, there's no OG game in the rap game because we kick all of OGs out. And it's the same thing that's happened in back. basketball, as media has grown more prevalent in basketball and has gotten bigger and bigger, it's the same exact thing that happens in basketball and in sports in general, but really in basketball on this side. It's like, do you want to influence or taking pictures at a basketball game, courtside, talking about they got floor seats and you got a fucking legend sitting at home that you can tell
Starting point is 00:52:07 the story around. But, I mean, and rap is the same way. like people uh you know rap is now down to like 30 seconds if you can have a 30 second hit you know you can make a lot of money as a rapper and that can be it so one hit wonders eight seconds of fame social media at the like who gives a fuck i agree i agree 100% those social media people are sitting and not all of them some of them are a lot of a lot uh are very cool and entertaining and have talent and personalities. But I want to see legends.
Starting point is 00:52:47 That's another problem with the All-Star game. Put all the legends. Man, fill up the first three rows with any legend who want to come to the All-Star game and watch the energy be crazy in the building. Watch your favorite star who comes at every All-Star weekend sits on the floor. Watch how that person turns into a key. That's when the All-Star game was great. that's when it was great
Starting point is 00:53:14 when it was a family reunion it's too corporate right when it felt like a when it felt like a family unit and to your point the same thing and rap but I think for
Starting point is 00:53:26 you know rap rap has its eves and flows and rap is coming back but there is not a great appreciation for OGs it's just I don't know what it is it's a cultural thing or it's a corporate thing
Starting point is 00:53:40 but the stories are getting long And so talent is getting underdeveloped, right? And so when you do actually have someone that's talent, they're getting overexposed. And by the time they get there, it's like, damn, they corny as shit are like they stale. Right. And so we just kind of like creating more carbon copies to like what our essence is.
Starting point is 00:54:08 That's a big part of my album, you know, Bart O'Neill live from the Swab Me coming. Let's get it. Bar Mold oatmeal back in the booth. I got the album. It's all about that. Let's get it. I'm going to send it to you.
Starting point is 00:54:27 All right, big news. Bosman Van gets traded to the Orlando Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony. Four unprotected first round picks and a pick swap. what do you think about the magic move and how does bane fit with the current magic team okay potential lineup sugs bay uh pablo uh franz uh rogner and uh carter jrrr um that's did somebody get fleeced four unprotected first round picks and a pig swath that's a lot that's wild
Starting point is 00:55:11 That's wild. So when I saw the trade, I was like, man. No, what? That's a lot. And I like Bain. Yeah. That's a lot. And then I saw what Orlando's general manager said.
Starting point is 00:55:26 I saw a quote he's made. And it made complete sense to me of why they would make that deal. Yeah. He said something along the lines of, if you, you went into a lab and created a basketball player, you go into the lab and create Desmond Bain. And I said, oh, okay, that's why he gave up so much. All right, cool. Well, the reality is, I think Desmond Bain's done great. I think he's a very good player. But if I go into a lab and create a basketball player. I'm going to create Kevin
Starting point is 00:56:13 the Brent or LeBron James or like a 6-6-6-do with Steph Curry's jump shot. Desmond Bain is 6-5 with a 6-4 wing span or 6-2 wingspan or something of that nature. I'm not
Starting point is 00:56:29 going to the lab to create Desmond Bain. No dismal. With all due respect to Desmond Bain, I'm not going to create a basketball player with short arms. So when he said that those are the things that went in my mind like, wait, he got short arms.
Starting point is 00:56:45 You're going to go create a basketball player with short arms. I don't quite understand that. And so I was a bit surprised by the statement, but I understood what he was trying to get at, like, Bain played both sides of the ball. But like, you've got to find a better way to articulate that. You can't like to be like, you're going to laugh. When you go create a player on 2K, you let me. You created Desmond Bay.
Starting point is 00:57:12 Besides, you created like 6, 9, 610 where I handle and shoot. You're not created Desmond Bay. But it made complete sense to me on why they made that move. And I'll take it a step further. I don't know this to be factual. This is just my guess.
Starting point is 00:57:33 My guess is they've been looking for a point guard. My guess is they called them. John Jop and Memphis somehow formed it and curved the ball back around and there was Desmond Bain in the trade. Four first round picks and an unprotected pick swap is insane. So it's obviously a move that says they believe in Paulo, they believe in Franz Bogner, and we're going to put someone around them some shooting that can add, you know what I'm saying, that can take some pressure off of them.
Starting point is 00:58:13 Bain is nice stuff. He can play. And he more than just a shooter. Like he can get to a bucket, you know? And so what the move signals to me is that they believe in those guys and they want to try to go forward with those guys. And also what that move says to me is,
Starting point is 00:58:31 which I agree with, they think the league is wide open. And right now is to take your shot. I just don't know if that's the shot I would have taken with four first round picks, unprotected. and a pick swap. I'm not sure that's the shot I would have taken.
Starting point is 00:58:45 Just, it seems like a lot. But I do understand where they are. I understand what they're doing, what they're thinking is. And I respect anybody who's willing to go for it. All right, where does the Bain trade leave the Memphis Grizzles? I think it leaves Memphis sort of in the same position that they were in. Not that Desmond Bain is just easy replaceable, but they still got Jaron. They still got Jaron.
Starting point is 00:59:10 They got a young Zach Eady. They got a young Jalen Wells. They got a young G. Jackson. They got a young Scotty Pippen. So I think it leaves them like, again, I always say this. I don't think, and I try to tell people this, all organizations ain't trying to win championships. Here they are, that's essentially a shred salary cap move for Memphis.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Take all the pigs back, shred some salary cap. see what we can do with these young guys, but if we can't really, and it don't matter, we got all these picks for the future, right? That's a salary cap move. So where does it leave them? I think it should be clear as day to Jha. You've got to understand how this business work,
Starting point is 00:59:59 clear as day, is that organization really trying to win a championship. When I see the move, I say, no, you're worried about other things and you're pulling away. But they're just pulling back to taxes. Y'all pulling back, y'all don't want to get the tax. So you let, you know, but this has been a thing with them. This has been a thing with Memphis. They've been doing it over and over again.
Starting point is 01:00:24 They had a team where it seemed like they had a chance. They let the Anthony Melton. They send the Anthony Melton away to Philly. They let Kyle Anderson walk, right? Now you fast for it's Bain. So this is a thing. for them. I think they're a team that don't want to get to the tax and they make moves based on that.
Starting point is 01:00:47 That's why I think this leaves the men's choices. All right. You know, there's been also I would say a lot of sayings or a lot of chatter about Memphis players being reluctant to play in Memphis because it's a dangerous place to live.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Do you think that also adds to it? I think Memphis is a great place. I think that we should be one, trying to up lift and highlight like all the positive things. And so when you hear statements like that from people like they don't necessarily be tapped in. Right. And I don't like statements like that because it undermines, you know, the goodness, the positivity, the true essence of, you know, a city that needs to be uplifted.
Starting point is 01:01:38 You watch in first 48 and shit like that. And then you make an assessment off that. That's television, that's entertainment, right? We're talking about people who blood, sweat, and tears, you know, come to support, you know, the Grizzlies, right? Yeah. Talking about people who, you know, support kids and Memphis basketball on all levels to work, you know, penny doing. So you can't, you can't, it's just, it's just buster comments to me, you know? I got a lot of love for the city of Memphis.
Starting point is 01:02:11 I got people from Memphis too. People from Memphis has always shown me love. Even they staff, when we in they build and they show love. Everybody in Memphis has always shown love. And I was about to go to Memphis two years ago, so I wholeheartedly disagree. Because the last thing that was on my mind was this is dangerous breaks to live.
Starting point is 01:02:34 I can't go. Every city in the world has a dangerous park. Every city in the world has a dangerous part. part to it. So I'm not going to sit here and single out that city and be like, yo, a player can't go to that city because it's too dangerous. Come on, man. There's a wild state. There's a dangerous part of Los Angeles. There's a dangerous part of Detroit. There's a dangerous part of Miami. There's a dangerous part of New York. There's a dangerous part of Dallas. There's a dangerous part of Houston. There's a dangerous part of Indianapolis. There's a dangerous part of Charlotte,
Starting point is 01:03:09 You name it. There's a dangerous part of every city. You name it. So to single out that city in that franchise and try to make it like nobody want to go there because that place is dangerous, don't do that to that city.
Starting point is 01:03:21 I disagree with that wholeheartedly. Like I said, I was about to go there two years ago. And the last thing that was on my mind was I'm not going to go play at that with that team because that's dangerous. This is who. This is who.
Starting point is 01:03:33 We're here to play basketball. Raise our family. Come on, man. And be great, great, pillars in the community. How can I help that? Buzz off. Stop it, man.
Starting point is 01:03:43 That's why. We should have caught that one buzz off or something like that. All right. So the Lakers just sold for 10 billion. That's not a basketball team, bro. That's like Apple stock. Damn. Tim Billy.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Shout out to the Lakers, you know, L.A. All team. Damn. I need a job, Lakers. Shit. He just saw the frigging boy in. You better, you better, you better,
Starting point is 01:04:10 chill out before Steve Bomer don't get even no tickets next year. Oh, man. You know, I ride with the Clippers. I know you do. You do ride for the Clippers. I ride with the Clippers.
Starting point is 01:04:21 You know, Lakers is, people got tattoos of Lakers out of here. It's a Laker town. Lakers is my childhood, bro. You ain't going to take my child away. No,
Starting point is 01:04:29 the Lakers going to always. Just because I got played. Yeah. Laker will always be a Laker time. That's what felt. It always be a Laker time. But. No, but the Clippers,
Starting point is 01:04:38 the Clippers, the clippers. got space. Don't get that twisted. The Clippers got, you know, the new energy. They got new legacy. And so, yeah, they got, they got, they got, they got, they got, they got, they got, no legacy there, chat. They're trying, they're trying to build it.
Starting point is 01:04:52 No, no, you got to start. Yeah, you got a star somewhere, J. Oh, yeah, but you said they got legacy. Man, God, Lee. Yeah, you got to build something up. All right, so then they're building it, but they don't have legacy. They got pedigree. They got pedigree.
Starting point is 01:05:07 They got something. They got pedigree. like they're building the pedigree. They're building the essence. They're building a chance to get, to break down the wall to get to the championship. Yeah, but dang God, you are an entitled,
Starting point is 01:05:21 you're speaking from entitlement and a position of privilege. What's the, what's the only, that is your only, what is the entitlement and where's the privilege? Because, yeah, because if it goes, because I'm a champion, I earned that.
Starting point is 01:05:37 So it can't be an entitlement and it definitely can't be a privilege because I wouldn't have took that. No, you earned it. Right. Yo, somebody gave you something and that's your privilege. I took the ability to be able to say that.
Starting point is 01:05:50 Okay, you did. Yes. But. And they ain't got no legacy. From the Warriors. You saw Staples look when the Clippers was playing and when the Lippers was playing. BD, they put, they put posters over the banners.
Starting point is 01:06:05 They ain't had, come on, BD. But what I'm saying, you're trying to build pedigree. They put posters for players over the battlers BD. Posters and players BD. you're going to tell me they got legacy. They're building.
Starting point is 01:06:22 I said they're building a legacy. Okay. I'm sorry. They have some legacy players. Like players that people identify with in L.A. They have been like, yo, I grew up watching Blake Griffin. I grew up watching Chris Paul. I grew up watching
Starting point is 01:06:35 Jamal Crawford. So they those do, like, so what I'm saying is the imprint on the city, they got an opportunity. Not saying that they got a legacy of winning championships, but until you win a championship, you got to have the vision, the momentum, and somebody that's saying like, hey, I'm in this shit to win a championship.
Starting point is 01:06:57 Like, if you didn't have the Lekums as owners and you had our same owners, you would not win a championship, bro. I can agree with that. Yes. So it has to be, okay, when they got there, they're like, yeah, we're going to start building legacy.
Starting point is 01:07:11 We're going to start or building a pedigree or a system. For sure, but that's all I'm saying. For sure. Shout out to the Clippers, All-Star Weekend, Into It, Don't. Hey, but I'll tell you this, though, BD. And speaking of that, in ownership, right? And the leg of, like, I never had the previous regime, so I can't speak to them.
Starting point is 01:07:31 But I do know the impact that our ownership group has had on our organization. I can't argue that. And speaking of ownership, when you talk about, team settled for $10 billion and the hands that it went into. And Mark Walter. Come on, man. I think, so when I look at this, when I look at this move and the Lakers selling for $10 billion to Mark Walter, you know what I say?
Starting point is 01:07:56 I said, oh, man, that makes the Lakers dangerous because. Pate Gras. That's why it makes them dangerous, really. the only thing ever ever stopping the Lakers was that take this with a grain of salt because they got way more
Starting point is 01:08:14 to most, way more to me and they're just a lot of people. But by terms of NBA ownership standards, Jeannie Bus and the Bus family were one of the least wealthiest families as far as money goes. They had the big asset
Starting point is 01:08:32 in which they just sold but that's kind of the source of their income. And so when that is the source of your income, you're going to run it a little differently. You're going to be more mindful. What this does is the Lakers, in 2020, not many, only a couple of teams made money that year, if you remember COVID all the stuff,
Starting point is 01:08:57 only a couple teams made. The Lakers made a bunch of money. And due to the Lakers' research, TV deal is insane. They get so much money from their regional TV deal, meaning their spectrum deal. And so that puts them in a position to still profit, even when people couldn't get in the stands. It was in 2020 or 2021.
Starting point is 01:09:17 I could be confusing the years where nobody would make no money, but the Lakers did. And in large part due to their regional TV deal. So now you got an owner with the deep pockets. He going to say, well, no, I don't need that money. Take all of that money and put it back. into the team and go get me this guy and go get me that guy and let's do whatever we want to do with this roster.
Starting point is 01:09:39 We'll pay the tax. We'll do this. And so I think getting this new ownership group it makes the Lakers so dangerous because now not only are they one of the most recognizable franchises in the history of sports.
Starting point is 01:09:57 Fire power. They got the pockets to match and act like that. They got the And that's dangerous, man. That is dangerous. Well, I think it's, I think it's another thing. I think it's another thing. Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:14 Look at the greatest baseball team right now. The Dodgers. Right, the Dodgers. Who own that team? Thank you. Thank you. Same person. And then, listen.
Starting point is 01:10:27 So for the Dodgers, right? Legacy. pedigree, culture, man, that's baked in the DNA. When them players run out, man,
Starting point is 01:10:38 they're running out for legacy, pedigree, culture. When the fans show up, legacy, pedigree, culture,
Starting point is 01:10:46 old school dudes come back. Old school players come back. It is really like they run it like a family organization with deep roots
Starting point is 01:10:59 in the culture, in the, legacy in the former players. And then on top of that, man, they're going, they're not playing around. They're trying to win. And so looking at the Lakers, it's like, man, you're going to see Robert Ories.
Starting point is 01:11:14 You're going to see, you know, the buyer of scots, the Jane Worthies around, like, even more. Mm-hmm. Right? Because they know how to capture L.A. And to your point, like the Lakers, I would say, you know, has been false.
Starting point is 01:11:31 falling off. Mm-hmm. You know, the Lakers going to always be the Lakers, but, you know, just like the essence has been falling off. You got a bubble title over the last, what,
Starting point is 01:11:43 10 years? 15, because Kobe's last one was in 2010. So all you got is a bubble title. Right? You got a title in the bubble. And ever since then, you just been, you ain't figured it out yet. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:12:00 So now you've got some stability. You're going to have some more incredible. Like it's just going to upgrade the basketball culture and like the winning culture and the winning pedigree. And the care about winning. Like it ain't going to be a bunch of shenanigans. There's going to be some people getting up out of there. Right. And they're going to figure out, okay, this is how we go.
Starting point is 01:12:23 This is how we go start. And this is how we go get to where we need to get to. And money ain't going to be a problem. I mean, you see what the Dodgers is doing. Otani, Beds, Freeman, Smith. Man, we love it. Yeah, the pitcher who just came over, I'm drawing a blank on his name. Japanese picture, the other Japanese picture that just came over last year.
Starting point is 01:12:45 Who is that? Kim? Nope, his name is, I'm drawing a blank on his name right now. As you know, I'm a Yankee fan. Oh, the new dude. His name is. Are you a Yankee fan, though? Yeah, you better know it.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Let me say. I'm going to tell you. Give me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Yamamoto. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yos, Yomoto. Right, so you got, you got, they're doing it.
Starting point is 01:13:10 And you can't defer contracts like that in the NBA, so they can't necessarily take that approach, but they're telling you, we got the pockets. You never know, you never know. We got the pockets. You never know. Yeah, they got, man, they got the sophistication in the pockets. You never know.
Starting point is 01:13:27 And they're going to put that, the thing is, they're going to, they go, the Lakers, Ms. Jerry West so much, bro. I think a lot of teams do. You miss, you need basketball legacy or basketball intelligence and old, like, you need that old school vibe, right? Because it's at the end of the day, basketball is an old school sport. It's a fact, man.
Starting point is 01:13:55 Damn, Tim Bill, though. That's crazy. Yeah, man. Come on, man, we need an investment in the, uh, Draymond Green with Baron Davis. So if they, if they hand it out there,
Starting point is 01:14:06 they go, shit. We can cover the games. No. That part. Listen. We can cover the games right. 10 billion dollars.
Starting point is 01:14:19 That's, that's wild. I mean, I mean, the Warriors in a good position. The Warriors in a great position. I mean, the New York Knicks
Starting point is 01:14:26 in a great position. It's a great position for the league. Man, I'm just excited, man. I'm excited for this. game seven. You got Indiana? I'm rolling with Indiana.
Starting point is 01:14:38 Me too. We shall see if we write or if they write. But until next time, that's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green show with Baron Davis. It's great to have you back, my brother. Appreciate you, bro. Great to chop it up. Banter a little bit. Get your
Starting point is 01:14:56 perspective, which is always a unique one. And listen, my dog. Congratulations to Mark Walter, that's incredible. And also, congratulations to Mark Lour and Alex Rial Regis. I think they are finally at that point where they're like a step where it's actually Minnesota is all there. So congratulations to those guys. Incredible to see what they've done. Air ride as a former athlete. Excuse me, excuse me, as an athlete. Once you're an athlete, always an athlete. But to do that, Amazing. So congrats to those guys. Job well done. Until next time we talk to y'all, there will be a champion crown in the NBA. There will be a new champion, a bunch of new
Starting point is 01:15:42 champions crowned in the NBA. We shall see who it is. Until next time, peace.

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