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Episode Date: March 20, 2025

March Madness is officially underway! To celebrate, Action Network hosts Chad Millman and Simon Hunter welcome on a pioneering member of the sports gambling media universe. "Stanford Steve" Coughlin was a longtime guest on Behind The Bets, Chad's original ESPN podcast. Today he's the producer of SportsCenter with SVP, on top of being the voice of gambling reason on ESPN's College GameDay. He joins the podcast to talk life at ESPN, his start in betting, and the wild changes in his career.  And if you want to see all of us INCLUDING Jim Root at our live show, RSVP now to join us for our free Chicago live event, Elite 8 Saturday March 29th at the beloved venue Joe's On Weed. Looking to make more money from your sports betting? Sign up now for EdgeBoost, the financial platform that pays you back for all your betting transactions! Just visit EdgeBoost.com/bet and use promo code FAVORITES to receive a $25 deposit match and Tier 2 status for faster bank deposits and more cash back. #Volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. I am live from my Tommy John Home Studio. I'm joined, as always, by my co-host, my companion, my friend. Compadre might be a fat professional better. Simon Hunter. Hello, Simon. Chad, how we doing, brother? Listen, dude, I'm in the middle of an epic, epic travel streak.

I have been gone for three to four days of every week and just about every weekend since the Super Bowl. Got home late last night after visiting Penn State University. over the weekend with my son. We're narrowing down the college choices. We're getting down to the end. I am going to ask my guest because he's intimately familiar with all of the places that my son has left.

I'm going to want to get his opinion on it. But the NCAA tournament is underway. You and I have a very special guest. He's honestly, he's an inspiration to a lot of the people on our production staff, some of whom he's actually worked with very, very closely, including myself. He's always been an incredible producer,

one of the legendary ESPN producers. He became a beloved media personality, not television, not audio, all around media personality. Always been a passionate gambler. I've known the guy for 15 years going back to my ESPN days. You've seen him on SportsCenter with SVP, college game day.

Our OG listeners are going to know him very, well from not just the Behind the Betts podcast from my ESPN days. He also co-hosted the spin-off podcast with Chris Felica, Behind the Betts, the college years, a gambling content pioneer. It's Stanford, Steve. Stanford, welcome the show, brother. Hello, fellas. Pleasure.

Welcome. Chad's been too long. I was so pumped to see it at the Super Bowl. It was nice. It's the best part. I think everybody that has to deal with the Super Bowl finds their pockets. And everybody has gotten to the point where, you know, it's like, you know, Kyle Brandt did the best thing about seeing people at the Super Bowl.

I thought it was tremendous just the three questions that are asked. But people know what to expect when you've done so many of them. And, you know, I'm not the concert going guy. I'm not going to, you know, I just have zero interest in the best times I've had are, you know, a little small private party or just telling guys, hey, I'm at this hotel bar. Let's meet there. And those are the best times because you go to these shows. You can't hear a word anyone's saying. And you want to talk to people because you haven't seen them.

And social media is a great connection, but you're not getting what you can get. And then you see things on social media that people are posting and you're like, eh, I'd love to ask about. that and that's the time to do it so uh it was great to catch up with you um and it's been too long i you know people talk about you know it's it's always like how did you go from producer to tv and your name is the first one that comes up because you gave you gave the bear and i of a little on ramp uh to the highway that i didn't know what was podcasts and you did and your vision has always been just incredible to me. Going back when used to come in

in studio every week with ESPN the magazine with Scott and Ryan, us developer friendship there. And I mean, you literally had us on and like, yeah, here, go do your own. And not knowing what the platform was and then to hear people react. And then Bear and I get to

interact with the people we did and get people to listen. It was, I'll never forget it. It was, I can't, it's been 15 years. That's so nice you to say, Stanford. I wasn't even expecting that. No, man.

I try and say, out of sight, out of mind, it's not true. People always remember certain things. Maybe certain people remember, want to remember certain things. But no, man, I'll never forget the opportunity you gave us. And it's turned into an unbelievable run. This past year of college football was most fun I've ever had with the playoffs. and traveling, going to Bloomington for the first time, among the top things. So it's a pleasure to meet you guys.

I appreciate what you guys do, what you've built. It's really, really incredible in this, you know, podcasting and gambling. It feels like it's never going to end. And there's got to be a roof at some point. But how early you started at Chad is still something I'm amazed by and the belief that you had in yourself and establishing a crew is really, really cool. to see because we've seen plenty go by the wayside and here we are. Dude, I got a feeling Matt Mitchell and Gifford, who used to work with you at ESPN.

Yeah. They're probably going to cut all that out. Adding purposes, I get it. Listen, behind the bets, the college years, that was the most natural evolution. Simon, you would not know this because you did not care about me before you DM me on Twitter. But the podcast that... How old is Simon? Simon.

Simon's 35. 35. Yeah. So Chad, Chad knows the deal. I lived a life. Stap. I was living in Vegas, degenerate gambler. So Rissillo and SVP did make my cut, though.

So I didn't listen to gambling stuff because I don't want to fuck with my head. You know, I'm a know-it-all-assol, especially back in those days. But, yeah, when I was a runner, living in my car, running from across Vegas, long days, lots of SVP and Roussel. And the random gems of Stanford Steve just come in for one or two seconds. know that is Stanford Steve. I'm sure you've heard this. Everyone's favorite character on any show is the guy that talks for maybe one or two minutes, right? So I hit the point of like, I liked SVP. I liked Riscilla, but anytime I got to hear a Stanford Steve story, especially your glory days of college, I'm just like, fuck, this guy is the man. So yeah, obviously seeing what you started out as where you're

at now, man, it's it's pretty epic how you've taken that little niche and made into a huge, huge career, man. You're the man. Yeah, Chad, Chad created that niche. So again, I thank you. I'm serious. I'm telling you. All credit to me. It was, man. Because, I mean, I would still get shit from radio producer. Like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm going to tape a podcast.

They're like, what? Like, you're talking? I'm like, yeah. And it turned into what it did. But yeah, behind the bets, man. Holy cow, that was long. We were doing that show from across studio. Yeah.

With SVP and Rosillo. and you and Felica crush that. You used to come on Behind the Bets and we would do an episode, a segment on Behind the Bets just about college football. And at some point, like, you guys just didn't need me doing it.

And you could go for so long. It was also just the most classic, natural off-ramp transition because of saved by the bell of college years for the old heads. Yeah. The perfect name. Carry on, gentlemen.

And it was fucking great. I mean, now you're a star. You hated college football and you just wanted to talk NFL. And it couldn't have worked out better because I could care less about the NFL and I love college football. So that was that would, you nailed it out of the park. That's called complimentary football right there, Stanford. That's what that is. Are we going to talk about which is what is the right side at all?

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Chicago. Be sure to RSVP. All right. Stanford. we know you're a Duke guy, not a Duke grad, but a Duke fan. Like there's a long list of teams

in the past you could see winning the tournament. And right now, like Florida came on strong. Yeah. Obviously Auburn struggled at the end of the season. Duke has basically three guys

who will be first round picks. How many teams do you think can realistically win it all? right now. Oh, I'm glad you asked. I got my list right here. Duke's Region the East actually has the most. I make a list every Valentine's Day of teams that I can think can win the national title. Then it changes when the bracket comes out because I get it and you guys know the deal with gambling people and like all they want is picks. They want picks. They want picks. And it's really, really hard because I still think the bracket dictates how I feel. And until I see it and see the matchups and all that, I don't really have a great.

feel, but that gives you more clarity because you start to see paths and things like that. So I have five teams in Duke's bracket that I believe can win the national title. And one is hanging on by a whisper, but I can't give up on them because, again, the hardest thing we do in this world, we do things as far as, you know, picks and all that is forgetting what a team looked like the last time we saw them. And it's the hard, I think it's the hardest thing with NBA betting when you start getting. the series. I think it's the hardest thing with college football after a team plays a big game, say on the road, because if you focus in on how bad a team look and they played bad, you're just setting yourself up. And it's really hard to do. You got to clear the table and assess things in a basis of here. And with the tournament, in that bracket, I have Duke, Arizona,

BYU, Wisconsin is the team that's hanging on by a thread in Alabama. Wisconsin was a team. I really like getting better all year, and then you go to the Big Ten title game. They play their worst game of the year and lose. And now you look at their draw. Now they got to go to Denver. They played Sunday afternoon. Teams that have played in Big Ten title games don't have a great history in the NCAA tournament. And so you go to Denver. All right, you got to play a Montana team who's not bad at all. Watch them through the season. I actually think they could do pretty well and cover that number. But Wisconsin's that team. And then BYU and Alabama. are the two teams.

I'm so bummed. They're in the same bracket, just like Florida and St. John's, I'm sure we'll get to. But BYU and Alabama were two teams. I thought all year, they got to get out of the conference and get to tournament play

because of what they bring to the table as far as matchups, size, length, style of play, all that. I love what BYU and Alabama bring to the table. And that one was tough.

I keep going back and forth who's going to the final four out of that. And I honestly think Arizona beats Duke because when you look at what Arizona brings to the table, they're better and better. They're getting, you know, the Akron pick is getting more popular and more popular, but it seems like the line keeps going up, which I don't like it all.

I think it's up to 13, wherever you're getting numbers from. But Arizona played Duke already this year. They lost in Tucson, low-scoring game. It was after Duke got beat by Kentucky. I think Duke really, really needed it. And Tommy Lloyd was still figuring out their lineup. And now you look at what Arizona did in the Big 12th tournament, which is super impressive to me.

I love the way their guards play, and you have the ultimate Caleb love factor. Yeah, if he's bad, they're not going to win. But if he's good, kids brought a team to the national championship three years ago. So I look at Arizona is super dangerous in that bracket, being really, really tough. Everybody's just saying Duke's got a path

because they get Mississippi State and the winner of Mississippi State and Baylor. But I think it's more tricky than that. Those teams aren't going to be afraid. They're going to get everybody's best shot. You don't know what Cooper is going to look like. And I just, I feel like it's a tougher than draw. And then you factor in another thing that I always look at.

And when we got off the air last night at 2 a.m. 9 million, and over 9 million brackets submitted at ESPN.com, 40% had Duke winning. Like that, that. Then it's an out of faith. I don't want any part of that. You got to zero. I, sometimes I feel, Simon, tell me if you feel the same way. I mean, you're a professional better, but obviously,

college basketball isn't where you make your money. I've always felt like the people creating the seedings, the selection committee, either they have an ear for what gamblers don't want to see or they are so unselfaware, they fuck every team that gamblers really want to believe in. And I feel like I saw it all over the brackets this year. even with Auburn. Like, Auburn's the number one overall seed. They got to go to Kentucky,

and then they potentially have to play Louisville, which is essentially a home game in Lexington for Louisville in the second round. If Louisville wins its opening round game against Creighton, like, what the fuck is up with the selection committee? When you look at this Stanford, do you feel like they have an ear for what gamblers are thinking? Or do you think they're just bad at this?

I think they're bad. I really do. You look at some of the spreads. I mean, like I said, I love BYU. And that VCU game is brutal because VCU is a great defensive team. Now, VCU's only played two tournament teams. And, you know, they got to go to Denver, as I pointed out, after playing Sunday afternoon, too, which, you know, likes BYU. But then the lines in the twos, I think.

And then you just look at the 12-5. Colorado State's favored over Michigan. I know. Like, it's, it's brutal the way they do it. And, you know, I always held back that it was done the right way, but this year, I just, I can't with the North Carolina thing. Like, you know, bracket, what's the site? Bracket matrix 111 brackets, all, you know, bracketologists, computers, the whole thing.

111 out of 111 had West Virginia and North Carolina out. And, you know, and then you see the selection show with the vice chair now because Bubbo's the AD of Carolina. Bubba who got $70,000 bonus because North Carolina. I couldn't. I can't get there now and I think it's a shame because this being the brand and

Indiana factors into it too because immediately I saw Carolina and I'm like, well, Boise State's out and they're just going to go with the names. And then you see Texas and it's like, whoa. So it's brutal because I always want the little guys to go and I get the SECs the best conference ever with 14 teams,

and I watch it as much as anybody. But like you're just, you know, I still, you know, you look at team like Drake, if they didn't win their conference tournament, I thought they deserved to be in. They're like 30 and four. You know, at some point, I want teams that are capable. And it's only going to get worse, heard people talking, like the out-of-conference games, like, all right,

they want to get quad-one wins. You know, all the shoe companies do the preseason scheduling. like out of conference preseason that's all done to shoot com. Maui has a Nike school, Under Armour, Indeed, it's like they control all that. So the little guys can't even get in on that. And then like I look at everyone's picking High Point, right, because they're playing Purdue. It's pretty basic why everyone's picking High Point. They see a good record.

They see Purdue. Forget that they went to a national title game last year and just think about years previous where Painter has failed, who I think is still an excellent coach. High Point hasn't played a Quad One game in two years. How do you equate that? Like, it's just, you know, going off on a whim and I'm sure they'll win and people will be happy and say, hey, I told you so. But I can't get there doing that when I look at what I watch. And, you know, I mean, it's the ultimate dice role this tournament.

And, you know, coaches are judged on what they do in this thing. And I think it's tough. You go to a guy like Rick Barnes. You know, I think the world of them, the way he's recruited, the different schools that he's won at. and he's got one final four. But if you look close, there's plenty of Sweet 16 and Elite 8s in there. Like I think the world,

I wanted Houston and Tennessee to go to the final four and now they're in the same bracket. So it's always handcuffs when it comes to the committee. But yeah, I think they could be better. Simon, you get all this secondhand intel from all the people you know that are professional betters.

does it ever make you want to go all in on college basketball? Like for an extra two months, just extend your season. Do you see opportunities there? We've never actually talked about this. No, but I guess it's because it doesn't line up well with football where like my hardest months really are that December, January, February stretch. And then when I'm done with that, I'm so burned out. It's like, fuck, am I really about to learn a thousand college kids names

are probably all going to be gone within the next year or two. It's just a lot to take on. But college is a thing where you can, someone like me that's further away from it, I feel like I do make more money than the guys who are locked in on it and they are so into it where I can pick their picks and I don't overthink it. Like me and you joked about last year,

we said it. You kind of felt like free money. And we bet that heavy and we wrote it all the way of the finals. And sometimes it really is that simple, right? Those unique years of great coaching, great team, great team chemistry, don't overthink it. Where this year I feel like Stanverske's talking about a little bit where it's open. Like every team that is the best, there's a weakness to it.

There is a reason you can talk yourself into them failing. So these are my favorite type of years where last year, me and you had fun because we made a ton of money, bet in Yukon. I want the madness. Like that's what we're here for. We're here for the madness. And last year, not that it wasn't a great tournament, we just didn't have the madness like we wanted.

So this year, I'm really looking forward to it. I feel like we're going to have a really crazy open field. I don't know if Stanford Steve has the same view. Totally. Like I said, I have plenty of teams. I mean, each region has at least three teams. I believe that can win a national title. Now, I'm more optimistic for certain teams and don't look at the path,

but I just think about what I watch when I see that team. You know, everyone talks about, you know, the St. John's Florida bracket, right? I mean, Florida could not be more impressive and how good the SEC was. They won every game in a tournament by double-digit points. And they played, let's see, I'm trying to think of it. They played a 10 seed in Arkansas. Or no, that was Auburn. I forgot who they played.

Oh, they beat Missouri. They're a six seed. Then they beat Alabama's a two seed. And they beat Tennessee, who's a two seed, all by double digits. Like, I get it. I kind of wanted them to lose so the odds would help. But that's what you get here. And are you guys familiar with the Calcutta's and all that?

What are the auctions for the team? Yeah, of course. I can't wait. I think Yukon went for close to 40K in ours last year, and it was warranted. Like we were in on it for a while, and I'm just like, man, this is, because you have to win the tournament there

where I like this year more, where I could pick some teams off at a cheaper price that can, hey, all I need is them to get to Sweet 16, and we made money on this team. So that's why we have ours in a couple days. I can't wait, but it's more open. There's more options. And we've done an unbelievable job.

of avoiding the monster upsets a couple years ago. Illinois was the most expensive team. They lost it in the second round to Loyola. Like that, that hurts, man. Auburn was red-hot, won the SEC tournament last year. Highest price four seed by far lose D.A. on the first round. We've done a good job of that, avoiding that. So that's another factor in the whole gambling thing, that if you know, you know it,

you're fascinated by it. It's super fun when it goes well. but yeah we've done a good job of avoiding the catastrophe you when you do your calcutta's and i'll explain it sort of as generally as i can so people understand it's basically you're buying teams that you think are going to win the entire tournament and you're basically going all in on those teams but you can invest in sort of three four different teams depending on the number of people in the calcutta and the size of the pool that you want it to be etc etc etc when you are playing in a Calcutta,

do you go in with a couple people that you're pooling your money? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Our biggest thing is we basically have the percentages, but we don't know the big, we don't know the total number yet

because you don't know what you spend until, you know? So it's, you know, that year with Illinois, we got out on Illinois, they ended up going for high 20s, I would say. And I think we got, I think we were in in at like 19. and they were like the first one seat because you do it backwards.

Like you get the 11 and 14 seed in a region. I think you get 12 and 15 how we do it. But then once you get to, you know, the top four seats, it's every team's its own. So, you know, a couple years ago, who did we have? Oral Roberts, when they made the run. Like we, I think we spent 2,500 and they got to Elite 8.

Like we were in the way they do it is you don't know the payouts for each round because you don't know how much money is in the pot. But once you know that, you know, a first round win and second round win are 1% of the pot and then it doubles. And it keeps doubling. And it's, you know, those sweets to get to the sweet 16 is enormous to get to the elite eight is even bigger. And obviously the final four and title game are monstrous. But it's a super, super fun. And we've been together five years, I think, now since I moved here. So it's super, super fun.

If you get a chance and you want to take a different way of looking at the tournament, it's totally different because it also gives you betting chances. You know, if you, you know, it's sort of a, you know, the opposite of a happiness hedge where, you know, you could do that. And then if you don't get the team that you really wanted, you can go bet them, you know, if you want it, if you're really that confident and there's discrepancies on your team or something like that. So it creates a whole other viewpoint of the tournament, which I find super, super cool. You know what? I don't know that I've ever asked you this or if I did. I can't remember the

answer. You're from Connecticut. Like, how did you get into betting? Being around people that were doing it and weren't supposed to, you know, a lot of relatives. And Chad, it's funny, I get asked, you know, you guys get questions all the, you know, is betting ever going to stop, the advertising, the whole thing. I just think people are so much more better off now because, you know, I've seen and heard horror stories of, you know, local bookies, right? And you see these people and they're just betting on credit. So, yeah, they're going to run if they're, you know, the rule number one is you can't bet money you don't have. That's rule number one in game.

You're only asking for trouble if you do that. And with the apps now, your money's like, it's already there. You know, you want 100 bucks on a game? They're taking it right then. And then you get it on the other end. It's just like going to a book in a sports book at any of the places. And there's no more betting with credit. So I think the way, yeah, if you have direct access to the account where that app is set up,

You could run into some issues. But as far as just wheeling and trying to play catch up, it's kind of not, you're not able to do it on these apps because the money's up front. So seeing that and everybody being infatuated with the parleyes now, I get it. It's way healthier than the stuff that I grew up around where it was going against rule number one.

And it was people betting money that they didn't have and being allowed to because they were betting on credit with a guy. Was that just like family friends, family buddies in the neighborhood? Yeah. Yep. Yep. You know, the old slips back in the day, you remember the slips. Yeah, for sure.

You know, those slips were going around high school like hotcakes, man. You get your hand on a slip and somebody's booking it and then somebody hits one and they don't have them. Like, it's, it all started then, man. All. Listen, back in the day, this is semi before Simon's time. Maybe not. But Harley cards were the big thing. Oh.

And parlay cards would just fly through the high schools. Yep. And that's how it got a lot of people into betting. Like, Simon, you live sort of on the cusp of all this because, you know, Stanford and I are a little bit older than you. A little bit, but like Delaware, my memories of Delaware is going to a pizzeria and filling out a parlay card at the pizzeria while waiting to get my slice. And it's like, you know, that was at 1718. Like we drive down from Jersey to Delaware, they'll get a slice and make a bet. And yeah, the thing Steve's talking about, like, cracks me up the thing about like my bookie,

especially when I was young, is not only the credit thing, but like having to meet up with that bookie to give cash to. And having that conversation, it'd be like, I'm 100 short. And then give me that look of like, it's no problem. Like he knows he's got you down the road anyway. You got my number. Yeah, exactly. And the other thing, too, Chad, is people don't like, like from 12 to one on an NFL Sunday.

Like everybody knew where the guy was and you had to call. And that's when, you know, they didn't usually have, what do we call it, total phone where you could, you know, call waiting. Yeah, right. It was just like, I'm trying to call. It's busy. It's busy. It's busy.

He's got the phone off the hook. And so, like, you had to make the call. And to your point, sound like, you had to go meet up and, like, was there going to be a conversation? Or, you know, like, it's just, you know, everybody had their weeks, right? All right. We closed. you know, the NFL is always, do you give Monday night as to end the week? And, you know, uncles, another words I live by Monday night football,

if this game was at Sunday at 1 o'clock, would you be betting it? And it's like, probably not because, but everybody's down and they're trying to chase on Monday night. So let's throw it out and lose even more. The truth is, it's not on Sunday at 1 o'clock. It's on Monday at 8.15. Yeah. So I think I might. Yep.

Exactly. So, oh, God. A buddy of mine just wrote, his name is Alan Loeb. And he has been on the show before. He's a very successful screenwriter. He wrote the movie 21. He wrote the movie Wall Street 2. He's written 10, 12 movies that a lot of folks have seen

has continued to produce a lot. He just wrote a story about his gambling addictions and actually was really thoughtful about why he believes legalized sports betting. is better, even though there are constant commercials now and this has been a crazy week about sweepstakes or about the commodities and futures trading commission and whether or not they're going to continue to allow the prediction markets like Robin Hood and Kalshi to allow full basically buying and selling of teams in March Madness, that it's still better because of what you just pointed out, Stanford, which is you're not betting on credit, right? You're not, if you're digging

yourself into a hole, it's a different conversation than when you're digging yourself into a whole on. No, young kids don't know. I know guys who, especially in my runner days, Chad, like between 2010 and 2012, I can tell you a handful of guys that owed money and became priest or joined the military or just, you know, completely disappeared, move to Argentina. You don't hear those stories as much as you did back then because guys would get up to 20k 30k debt and they don't have a dollar to their name. So like Steve's talking about I'm getting all these funny memories thinking back to these crazy characters I knew. It's like yeah, I haven't seen Jimmy in a couple of weeks. Oh, that dude's a fucking priest now, dude. He's gone. It's like, what? Yeah, he's a priest now.

It's like those are the things I think back to of those days of credit, man. Guys were just on the run. Oh. Fellas, before we witness any legendary buzzer beaders, Cinderella stories, or diaper dandies, this NCAA tournament. It all starts with all of us staying cool, calm, and collected this March. And the best way to do that, staying truly comfortable, the kind of flexible, breathable comfort only possible through our sponsor, Tommy John, before the confetti of a better life can fall, before the first chords of a one shining moment montage can play. We must strive for best in class underwear and the best casual essentials money can buy. So box out, underperforming undergarments and crash the boards of comfort with

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So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Stanford, for those who might not know your full backstory, your nickname is Stanford because you played football at Stanford, I don't think people realize how big of a recruit you were. Remind me, like, where were you ranked when you were coming out of high school? Because I also believe you had an offer to Notre Dame. I think you and I talked about this once. But give me sort of the context for your football All-Star Hood and where else you could have gone.

I'm trying to remember the name of the magazine. but this was pre-internet. Athlon. Was it Athlon? No, it wasn't Athlon. It was like a blue chip illustrator or one of those. Parade. Was it parade?

No, I didn't make the parade team, though. Oh, gosh, what was the name of it? Anyway, I'm on my visit to Stanford. And Moser Eisen was a guy who recruited me. And comes running out of his office. Like, he knew that I was there. I was there with my brother on my visit. And he's like, look, look, look, look.

And I'm like, what? He's like, they ranked you number one. I'm like, what? And it was like number one player in a country. I'm like, what the hell is this? I'm like, okay. So I, to make it quick, like I could have went anywhere, you know, whatever. People throw around five star the whole thing, like went on these visits, went to camp at Notre Dame.

Holtz was still there. but that staff was in flux, a lot of miscommunication. Mack Brown was at North Carolina. Nebraska was really good. Tom Osborne was there. Best guy in our league the year before went to Nebraska, Tony Ortiz. So there was that connection. Spurrier came to the high school Heisman thing,

which was a tri-state area team that I made through MSG. That was something I'll never forget. Eddie George won it that year. And then they selected 15 guys in the area. and Spurrier saw my highlight film was like, hey, he's like, we're playing the national championship. You want to come? I'm like, what?

Like literally the Monday morning after my visit to Stanford, I'm like, I'm like driving home and I'm like looking at flights to Arizona and like just had lunch with Tiger Woods at Stanford. Like it was a complete, complete shit show. And to be 17 years old in that time, you know, you start, you know, coaches could call once a week and you're talking to all these coaches and you're building relationships. Hey, how are you?

You know, how'd you play last week? How's school going? Like, and you start building relationships. And then you got to tell these guys no. And as a 17 year old kid, like, it was super, super scary. And I remember just wanting to get the list down because I wanted to be done and decided before Christmas. And it was super frantic, scary.

And, you know, not knowing. Like, you know, we see kids getting NIL deals now. And I just think about like NIL. couldn't handle that. Like I couldn't even figure out where I wanted to go to school. So, yeah, it was best of the best. Treater-Royalties on visits. And ultimately decided to go to Stanford because my birthday is January 1st. I grew up watching the Rose Bowl on my birthday, my whole life. And there was always a dream to play on my birthday. And to go to a school, like see Stanford, like I still put it up against any campus in the world. And to be able to get that education,

because I really, you know, my dad passed away when I was going to my junior year, a high school, wanted to go out and prove to myself. Like, I got some growing up to do here and was able to do that. And ended up playing in the Rose Bowl against Ron Dane in Wisconsin on my 23rd birthday, which was my final game. And then took an internet startup job that summer in August and was broken out of a job by Thanksgiving. So that was a, that was a. That was a treat and a lesson to learn really quickly.

And I mean, I say all the time now with kids in college, like you've got to have a plan, man. It's not the cool thing to do when you're in college. But shit, like when people are done helping you pick classes and all that, like it's just you. And whatever support system you got. And if you don't have it or have a plan, that's the roughest transition, I think, in a lifetime.

Because you're getting handed thing. I mean, as a, as a, scholarship football player, you're getting handed things that you're so taken for granted. And then to be punched in the face, you know, living in Palo, we were in Menlo Park, no check. And I was never a guy that was like, yeah, you know, speaking of betting with credit. Yeah, I got, I got money. I got rent next month. Like I got, I was like, I'll never forget. Like Monday, took the job in, like Labor Day, August 2020. No, I mean, August 2000. and Monday before Thanksgiving, like calling my mommy, like, Mom, I'm out of a job.

Like, we got bought out and, like, it was done. Like, you never heard those stories of the Internet. So, like, I had guys that got in, like, late 90s, got in with Google, uh, who at Yahoo, like, whoever, like off and running, like, set in five years after being graduated. And I'm broke without a job, not even four months out of college. So it was pretty eye-opening, but I wouldn't trade it in. people ask me all the time would you have rather gone i could have went to any SEC school

but the friends and things i was able to do at stafford i'll never trade in for anything do you remember the name of the company i don't what were you what were you doing uh it was some like internet sale i have no i i just i didn't even know what i was doing it was just you know a couple guys and who were like hey let's do this so um yeah um I know that era. It's interesting you say that. You know, we were talking before I came on about colleges and like, I'm just going through this whole process with my kid right now who's narrowing it down.

It's coming down to Maryland, Penn State, and Indiana was sort of the third tier. And wherever we've gone, he's met with the people who run the programs that he's interested in. And every time we're done, he's like, he loves the school he just met with. You're just at Penn State. Oh. But I think part of it is he feels badly saying no to people who have been so nice to him about saying, hey, come here and this is what we can do. And not like he's being recruited like an athlete.

It's a completely different thing. But when you're 17 years old, I can see it. I can see how hard it is if someone is being kind to you to say no to them. It's brutal. Yeah. And it's tough. I mean, I got three little girls. and I'm looking at kids, you know,

I go to high school games all the time, and in this area, it's loaded. I mean, I watch the tournament and notice how many kids are from the DMV. Anyway, went and had lunch with a kid two weeks ago who's in college, journalism, communications, the whole thing. And we're talking, and I'm just, you know, the idea of how to get on air obviously comes up.

And like, when I'm taught, when he asked me a question, he's looking at me and the eye, looking at him asking him like he's not even making eye content i'm like dude you got it this has got to change like put the phone down and like there's there's nothing more important still in my like like then face-to-face conversations like even if it is on a zoom like we're looking at each other you know you know expressions the whole thing uh so it's it's it's it's really really hard i think it's a lot because i i hate to say it but i go back to covid with kids now

like you don't know what they were going through. I mean, nobody was, I mean, you know, somebody posted the other day, you know, five years ago today we were told to stand six feet apart. I kind of wish those times came back for a couple minutes a day, you know? So it's, it's, it's, it's been such a whirlwind and everybody was a different age just five years ago. And then to come out of it, um, it's pretty fascinating to see how people have adapted and changed. And I just, I'm constantly, you know, with my kids, like, when you're talking to me, look me in the eye. And I feel like the phones and in social media and people just

swipe and left and right and scrolling up and down. It's all we do where it takes away from face-to-face conversations and we need more of that. And to get to your point about the 17-year-olds making college decisions, it's big-boy stuff, man. You got to, and there's no other way than looking in the eye. And I still say brushing your teeth every day in the morning, like look at yourself in the mirror. You're happy with what you got? Because that's how you start your day. And yeah, it's a lot. But as long as you take them on face first, I say all the time,

you're going to be better off because it's one giant step you don't realize you're taking. But it's only going to help you as, you know, we get older and you've got to make more decisions. You learn a lot about yourself in those times. And it's part of growing up. I so, it's so funny because you say it's a big boy decision. I'm driving home with him yesterday from State College. And I so want to, I said to him, I'm not going to say anything. This has to be your decision.

I would love to be making the decision for him right now. I would love to tell him exactly what to do and exactly why he should do it. And exactly what are the most important reasons to do exactly what I think he should do. I can't say a fucking word. And it's fucking driving me nuts. because Simon, you know, I want to tell people what to do. Yeah, you got to let him make his own path, though, and make the right and wrong decisions.

And like you just said, whenever school he chooses, you know the deal. You might hit you up in a year and be like, I fucking hate this place. I want to come home. I want to come back to a different school. And that's just the way it is with college. And, you know, I know plenty of people that, you know,

I had a weird run where, like, people I knew were graduating, we went through that major recession in 2008 and 09. And, you know, talking of those people that basically went through the shit, they're way off better now than people that graduated in 2012, 2013, that never experienced that low, that survival, you know, I do think it's weird to even talk about, but I do think a big part of life is failing. Like, how you deal with failure really is all it is. Like I know plenty of guys who failed kind of what was me and gave up in life and they kind of tread the wall of the rest of your life. I know other guys who failed and have gone on to do incredible things because they've pushed throughout it. So I'm with you, Chad. It's a tough decision what he's making right now, but it's like one of a thousand tough decisions he's about to make going forward. And that's the craziest part. Once you got out of high school, it's like you're done with the kid bullshit, man. Every decision you make is a major decision on your life going forward. So that is tough. Look, Stanford went from playing in the Rose Bowl to being out of work within a year.

And now he's on college game day. Right? Like that is a free. and journey. Stanford, when you're on Game Day, everyone seems to just stop when Nick Sabin is talking. I thought he was a revelation on game day. And the McAfee-Sabin interplay is amazing. But what is it like with Sabin on set

in production meetings? What do you glean when you're listening to him talk because he's he captures something that is really sort of profound whenever he's talking about college football. Well, there's a lot of pieces. First thing is experienced. Like, he's experienced so much.

And he talks about his failures all the time and how he responded to him in his support system. But he's just so smart, man. Because he's, you know, whether it's recruiting the best players in the country or being in the biggest situations of an National Championship game. And the way he goes about things, like everything's just thought out and he doesn't

jump the gun on anything. He always has something in his pocket to give you. And, you know, this year, like first time I think we were together was Ireland. And, you know, he's, you know, milling around and he's doing his thing. And, you know, he's got the computer going and, you know, he's got the glasses and, you know, You know, it's like, hey, you know, coach, I'm, you know, whatever and I'm here, whatever you need. And, you know, it's a process of, you know, it's fucking Nick Saban, man. Like he's got an army of ways he does things.

And, you know, he's got a circle that's pretty, pretty strong. And not anybody is just jumping in that circle. So there's a sense of trust. There's calls that you're on as far as a show where, hey, I'm bringing this to the table. But the one thing that was just eye open, I found myself, like, anytime he talks, it's just, it's silent. Whether we're in the conference room, whether we're on a Zoom, and I'm just constantly just taking notes, writing everything down. Because again, it's so thought out. It's so smart. And it's super interesting. And his stories are just out of this world.

He had us to his house when we went to Game Day in Tuscaloosa. We just sat around dinner table, and he just told Storr, like, it was amazing from his rise in coaching to try and recruit players, to losing players, best players he lost, like just incredible. And then for him to come on the air and we had plenty of back and forth where we really had fun. And then I was like, you know, you talk to an older person, you're like, are they really listening to me? And then, you know, we had the exchange at Cal where I was talking about I dated a girl from Cal and that literally was from a five-minute conversation. in the middle of the Cal Hotel the night before when he was like, you ever come over here and hang out when you were at Stanford?

I was like, yeah, my girlfriend actually here. I was here a lot. And from that, he took it the next morning when I took my shot at the Cal fans. And we have great relationship. We sat next to, so like that playoff thing was nuts. Like we did Notre Dame Friday night

and we were at Columbus the next morning for game day. Then we did Orange Bowl. They flew us to the Cotton Bowl. And I'm on a private jet sitting next to Nick Sab and watching the end of the Orange Bowl. And I'm like, somebody please take a picture of this and like having coffee the next morning getting ready for the combo. I'm like, dude, we'll never forget that night for as long as we live watching. Like, Nixon loses his mind on quarterback play. Like the game's getting tight.

Throw the ball away. You're holding on the ball too long. Like him being a fan watching the game is just a real person under there too, which you never saw. you know, at the press conferences and him going off on his players and the tangents on Lane Kiffin when he was assistant coach. Like, it's been really, really cool. And he's just an unbelievable, unbelievable person. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers.

And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.

But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad. Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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And on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen Chinchin win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina. But I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lernerabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now.

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The on-air things are never the things that you're going to remember from any of your highlights. It's always going to be the shit that happens behind the scenes. And not all of it is going to be private jet watching the end of an orange bowl. That is like the extreme. That's also what makes this business so much fun is like these moments that you capture that are completely off camera. Yep.

Yeah. And going back to that point, Chad, about, like, being part of the process and and Simon talking about these decisions and how they get bigger and bigger, like, you know, I don't have a job and I'm trying to get, like, figured out, I had a communications degree. Hey, let's try and pursue this. And like two weeks in to get a part-time job as a production assistant at ESPN radio, I'm like, all right, well, I'm not going to make a lot of money. But you know what?

when I hear, you know, get a Friday night or a Saturday night, we're out with the guys and the boys and we're BSing and they're bitching about having to, you know, go back to cutting lawns and everything. Like, I was super fired up to go to work every single day. Like, I'm watching games and cutting highlights and, you know, trying to get put on one of the regular shows to bring content to that. Like, I could care less about what I was making, but I was fired up to go to work every single day.

And that's another choice. you make. Like, you want to be happy and, you know, there's different, you know, money's not everything all the time. But like I said, looking in that mirror, brush your teeth every morning. If you're happy with that person, go for it. And if you're not, you got to do something about it. But that's things and decisions you got to make.

How do you manage now, Simon and I deal with this all the time? Sports betting content from the time you and I started doing it, you know, 2011, 12, 13. When we were doing the shows together, I was coming on with you and Scott and Ryan. Two now has evolved so aggressively that you're front and center with so much of it and some of the highest profile shows on television. Forget about just sports television, but like game day and sports center with SVP, like those are massive shows, right? How do you now manage people coming.

after you for sports betting when you're wrong. How is that changed? How is the conversation changed as all of this has evolved? Well, no one, no one, no one says thank you when you win or congrats. Like no, like no, it's silence. It's silence. And it actually helped me last year. I think I was under like eight or 10, under 500 last year on game day.

and it took me like two weeks where I was like, this social media thing, you can have it. And my rule number one is like, now we're going to be in March Madness. Like the last thing I'm doing while these games are going on is going on social media. Like I cannot. Like just the grown in negativity,

a tweet that somebody sends that they're never, ever going to say to your face in person. Never. They'll never do it. But they'll hide behind their screen name and write whatever. they want to you. So that actually helped me because I was, I mean, I talked to plenty of people and they live by it. Like they do it. I mean, I'm on set with other sports center shows and like we go to break and boom.

They're checking their phone to see what people are saying about what they just said about their team or their player or their coach, whatever. Like I don't need that because guys do it when they wake up in the morning and they check and you're on TV. No one's saying, no one's saying anything good. They're not. They're just, they're picking apart what you're saying. And I think that totally messes with people's heads because they read it and they act like that those aren't the only people watching the show. You know what I mean? Like we're, you know, TV, there's still plenty of people that are watching the TV and aren't on social media. So having a bad year picking games actually was the best thing because it made me not go on it. Like it made me focus more on watching tape and watching games and reading, which I think is still a huge part.

I'm still a guy that prints out NCAA tournament capsules on every team reads those and goes through with a highlighter. That's what I'm doing my time. I'm not going on and seeing what somebody's saying or listening to this breakdown. Like I got my own way of going about things. It's been super successful and I'm going to stick to it. But this day and age, it's really, really hard for people to put their phones down, man. And like I said, the gambling, Twitter, gambling, social media,

there's never congratulations on there. So don't do it because you think you're going to get that. It's just like starting the beginning of a sports meeting when you think you're going to make money because you're not going to do that. So again, it's been a blessing in disguise, but the social media thing, I mean, you guys deal with it constantly.

It's its thankful, ultimate thankless job because, you know, we'll get in March Madness. And it's like, all right, pick the upset. And it's like, okay, as soon as I pick the upset, The team that I'm picking against, that fan base thinks their team sucks. And, like, a lot of times I'll have had that team like the last three games. It's like, where were you? The last three games when we just hit, we just hit three in a row on your team.

I just don't like the matchup. I'm sorry. I don't hate your team. And then to go to all these colleges with game day and get the interactions with people is just hilarious. Because then it's like, oh, you know, really enjoy your work. And it's like, oh, you know, face-to-face conversation. conversations are pretty real. And there is something.

So it's a different world that, like, as you said, Chad, than when we started. And I just say be careful. Like not not, don't, don't go. Scott says all the time, Twitter is not the place to go for positive feedback. It's pretty simple. And, you know, use it, as you do. And use it to your advantage. Because there are some really good things on there and connected with people that you haven't

seen in a while or, or, or, check. second hour reading an article. There's plenty of good stuff. You can come here for positive feedback. Stanford. Simon and I will always give it to you. Thanks for coming on the show, brother. As a reminder, the Favorites podcast is presented by Bet365 and is now live at my home state of Illinois. New Bet365 customers, including those in Illinois. Get $150 and bonus bets when you bet $5. Sign up using promo code favorites. Deposit $10. Place a bet for $5. to get $150 in bonus bets. Those bonus bets can be used on spreads,

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