The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Favorites - NFC Draft Recap

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

The NFL Draft is done and dusted, and Action Network hosts Chad Millman and Simon Hunter return to recap all the activity in a special two-part episode. Today, the guys go through the biggest storylines, and then touch on every team across the NFC. Nobody wants Shedeur Sanders. The Dallas Cowboys start at the offensive line. The San Francisco 49ers select another 7th round quarterback. Bets were won, bets were lost, and Chad and Simon are excited to dive into it all. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are part of the Volume Podcast Network. I am Chad Milman of the Action Network. Today, I'm joined, as always, by my co-host, my companion, my compadre, my BFF professional better, Simon, Hunter. Hello, Simon. Hello, Chad. What a sports weekend, brother. I mean, look, the draft was amazing, and we're going to talk about that, no shortage of drama.

And you and I, we are going to go through the entirety of the league. We're going to talk about the NFC today. Tomorrow we're going to touch on the AFC, a very special episode. It's going to come out a day earlier than usual Thursday. We'll do an episode, our third episode of the week about the Kentucky Derby with our annual guest, Mike Conte. dude, I don't know about you. Like, for some reason, I ended up kind of having no plans this weekend. And so I watched a ton of the draft.

And then I watched so much NBA. And these games were insane. The Clippers and the Nuggets was insane. The Pistons and the Knicks was insane. The Lakers and the T-wolves was insane. But also, somehow, I found myself watching the Cubs and the Phillies on Saturday and the Cubs in the Phillies last night,

it was like a full-on sportacular. Yeah, it's the best, especially someone like me who's kind of a phony NBA fan where I just, because my team sucked to Sixers, I barely watch any of it,

but I mainly watch college basketball. But as soon as the playoffs hit, I feel like we all just dive back in because that's when everyone's trying, the games are really competitive, and it just means so much more, and you really can tell, like the level of play is.

just such a huge step up. So yeah, for me, it's really fun, but I know is like someone that tries to bet it. It is crazy jumping into it, especially, you know, the action network, we have a ton of basketball content. We've been trying to bet these overtime bets.

I love it. It's like 15 to 1, sometimes 20 to 1. That to me has been really fun sweating these games. Like I don't pick a side. I'm just betting overtime and hoping to hit one in every series. So yeah, it's been really fun. The athleticism of these guys is ridiculous. And like even the third, fourth level guys, the ability, their hands are so good in this

interior passing and the way these guys can see and they move the ball. Like, it's just remarkable. Like, you cannot help but love watching it. And the level of competitiveness is so intense. Like, like, that Pistons Knicks game yesterday are watching it on Sunday, actually. So glorious. I really wanted the Knicks to lose. I love this Pistons team.

It's so much fun. I kind of wanted the Lakers to beat the T. Wolves, but Anthony Edwards is just glorious to watch. Like, we are in it right now. Steph Curry the other night, oh my God. Like his stepbacks, the way he can put on the brakes, he willed that team to victory.

It is, if you're not watching the NBA class right now, you got to get into it. But we are going to get into the NFL drafts, because here's how crazy and fun the NFL draft is. Thursday night, we were watching the Pistons Knicks in my house and even my son, who's a massive NBA fan, wanted to turn on the first round of the NFL draft. And I think a lot of it was because of Chodor Sanders,

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Mike Green, the linebacker from Marshall. There were some questionable character issues, so he fell to the Ravens. But there's only one story here. Shador Sanders. Shadurr Sanders dropping. We talked about this last week with Raybon and Evan. How did this impact your bets seeing how he dropped? I mean, I lost money on it.

I thought the over, I like the over two and a half quarterback's first round. And, you know, it just goes to show that I think you kind of got to tell on what people you can kind of trust and follow in the sports media that give out these moks. I just don't understand how these people, it's their jobs. And you had people saying he was their top five guy, their number one quarterback on their draft board. Let's do one in the fifth round.

So there's clearly a disconnect there. Like I can't wrap my head around that part because it's like, I get a lot of it, a lot of these people are phonies and they don't really talk to anybody. But like, how could you have been so off? And, you know,

typical fashion, the stories come out after, right, Chad? It's like, you know, apparently he wore headphones to meetings at the combine. When he's meeting with teams with music playing on his headphones and

then puts it around his neck while the music keeps playing while doing the interviews with these teams. I can't wrap my head around if that's real. If that's real, it truly isn't saying that he was self-sabotaging because there's teams you didn't want to go to where, yeah, the NFL, it's a business. It is a sports league, but if you take them to court, they say entertainment first. I don't know the collusion. I know Chad knows doesn't know about the collusion, but something went on.

Like this kid, anyone can tell you he's got second round talent at worst, right? is armed talent, things you can do in the field. Okay, personality, bump them down to a third round, chat. I'll give him that. But for this kid to drop to the fifth round, you know, he must have just burned a ton of bridges and the league humbled him. And, you know, I love the historical data.

Dove it right in. I asked myself, who is a great fifth round quarterback? Chad, I don't know if you could think of one for a second. I got an answer for you. It's zero. It's never happened in the NFL. So I'm excited for him to prove these teams, wrong and write his own story or he's going to fall apart be a washout of league in three,

four years. And these GMs, these teams were right. So really interesting storyline to follow for the next three, four years, chat, of what Sanders is going to become. Well, look, the meltdown, the meldown, for lack of a better term, of Kuiper and watching him kind of get angrier and angrier as the days went on of how Shadur Sanders was dropping when he had him as his QB1 from the beginning and never wavered. And he actually talked about this because it was riveting to me. And I think by, I don't know what it was, Saturday afternoon, I was watching the draft at this point only to see where Shadur Sanders was going to go. And it's kind of like when everybody was watching the second round of the NBA draft last

year to see what happened to Brani. When Shadur Sanders finally got drafted in the fifth round, Mel went on air and said, these are the number of quarterbacks from the fifth round who have ever made the Pro Bowl. Something to that extent. The number was zero. It was like in the third round, you had like 16 and the fourth round. It's an anomaly. It's a freak.

17. Even in the sixth round because of Brady, but like, you know, zero in the fifth round. And you really got to look at this. The NFL, for all of its failings, and we've talked a lot about the inability to accurately scout quarterbacks, it is rare. The reason why everyone talks about it, when a Puka Nakuwa comes out of nowhere, when a Tom Brady comes out of nowhere,

because those are the exceptions. Shador Sanders is going to have to defy tremendous odds to get on that field and be effective and be the player that everyone thought he would be in all of their mock drafts. Kudos to Evan and Raybon, who throughout their draft podcasts, they were saying this guy is not a first-round talent. They weren't saying he was a fifth-round talent.

but like this is not a guarantee that just because he's going to a team that might be the right fit for him that he's going to get a chance to be the guy everyone thought he could have been when they were mocking him to go in the first round yeah like i told you months ago i had scouts tell me this guy was a second round talent they didn't tell me he was off their draft board like that was the thing that was the most shocking it's like the day after everyone's like no half these teams didn't have this guy is a top you know four round picks him had them off their where it's like who had them off his draft board like he had to have self sabotaged that i just none of it nothing else to make sense where it's like you know i try to look through and think of who are the cockiest personalities come out of the last 10 years like i i was trying to think of

who would go in there and be such an asshole that they were just like i don't care the talent level i'm downgrading this kid i'm not nobody exactly that's a thing that's exactly like the only ones i could pop my head i'm like even if joe burrow was cocky as shit he wasn't an ass He wasn't ignorant about it. He wasn't going to these meetings being like, I'm hot shit. I'm not even taking an interview with the Bengals. I'm too good to go to Cincinnati. You didn't hear any of that with Joe, even though, you know, he can come off as arrogant

to a lot of people. You know, it's a fine line. And, you know, he had the talent, obviously, to back it up where these teams are saying to say, you do not have the talent to back up your personality. So, yeah, it's going to be a hot topic, Jeff, for the next couple of years just because everyone obviously had an opinion on it when it was happening. I'm sure you're the same way where part of you feels bad, but there's another part of you of he had to have brought this on himself.

Like there's no other, like these guys were trying to win. This is a business. So for all of them together to take a stand and say this kid's a fifth round pick, it was shocking. Like we just said, we all, at worst, I thought he was a second round pick. He was three rounds later, Chad. So yeah, definitely the craziest storyline of the weekend. Well, look, what's interesting about the,

NFL. And what's interesting about NFL owners is the tolerance for criminal misbehavior, violent misbehavior versus their tolerance for attitude misbehavior, potential distractions in the locker room. Shradur Sanders, cocky, arrogant, you know, distraction. Kaepernick, distraction. But how many players get drafted? How many players get second chances? How many players are atop anybody's draft board after egregious criminal mistakes? Right? And so, you can see what the line is for NFL owners. They don't want anyone who is going to make noise and challenge them from a personality perspective, but they don't mind people who are going to challenge

what are considered to be the appropriate ethics and beliefs that they should have. It's a very interesting study. There's no denying it, like where owners fall on the line of challenging personality versus challenging criminal behavior. There is, but it's because of the money, brother. It's like, like I love Tim Tebow.

You can't have Tim Tebow, but be your third string. That's why Tim Tebow was at the league. Who wants to hear about your third string quarterback all the time? So I get what you're talking about. But at the end of the day, you know, a lot of these guys do have personalities. They just, the money's so insane they know, right? Don't say shit. Just play the play the game.

So, you know, the only guy that really can say shit is Aaron Rogers because he's, he's on his way out. He can be a little crazy. Talk about doing drugs and all this other stuff in the off season. We're never going to hear any of these young guys talking about that stuff, Chad. So, yeah, I just, I can't get over how that happened. Like you said, the whole meltdown on TV with Mel. It was theater.

It's what we love is humans. It's just, it's crazy to watch. It was such good theater. Yeah. It was, it was glorious. And you know what? Good for Mel. Like, good for Mel that he stuck to his guns and he's done this in the past.

Look, there's that infamous scene with Bill Polian when they... I thought you're going to say Jimmy Claus. That's even, that's more recent. Well, yeah, obviously, but, but no, I remember Jimmy Claussen and he's saying this guy should make eight pro bowls and whatever, but. He said he quit. You said he would retire. That's right.

But what's interesting is, like, Mel is an affable guy. We love Mel. We've had him on the show before. And I think he's fantastic and what he's done with the draft is amazing. But I love that he will be stubborn on certain things. and this is a relationship business and he does not back down from it and he cannot be challenged by anybody

for his opinions because he's been right so often and he created what has now become this massive, massive industry of covering the draft and being mesmerized by the draft and I love the fact that he has been pounding the table on Shadur Sanders

I don't care about Shadur Sanders' success or failure. I am interested to see if Shadur Sanders can make Mel Kuiper look good, because that to me is going to be a storyline that is going to be relevant until it's decided. And the way these things go, look, Gino Smith, his career didn't become his career until he was 10 years in. So in 10 years, Mel Kiper might long be retired and he could finally be proven right about Shadry Sanders. Well, I said Sanders ceiling with Gino, Gino Smith. So, you know, I don't know how much that's winning

Mel Kiper if at the end of it, if it is a Gino-Smith type. It's like, all right, way to go. Well, it's funny because he does have that list of players drafted who were, who slid down the board, who he had as much higher-ranked players. Gino's on there. Jimmy Cawson is on there. I think there were eight guys on there, and six of them have gone on to really productive careers. Two of them, Jimmy Cawson and somebody else, did not. And he's got one more guy on there, Will Levis, who, you know, it remains to be seen, but it's not looking good. That wasn't on the list. And to me, like, I don't know, Gino's done okay. Like, he's had a good few years, I think, that are sort of seen in a better light because of where he came from. And so, you know,

we're going to talk about the Raiders for the show tomorrow. And I think that they'll be in a good position, but no one's looking at the Raiders is like a threat. And so is Shador-Sanders going to be a guy who is good enough to make a team win some games but never a threat? We're going to find out, but it's going to be a great story. It's why this league is so much fun. Give them hard knocks. Oh, God, that would be amazing. There's all those goofy rules about hard knocks, but who knows if they're eligible for hard knocks, but if the NFL knows what it's doing, definitely does as an entertainment entity. They will figure out how to fix those rules.

So Cleveland is 100% in hard knocks again. All right, I want to get to team by teams here. NFC East. Start with the Giants. You know, they had Abdul Carter. Great pick. Everyone's, you know, saying it's a no-brainer. Number three overall, edge rusher from Penn State.

Then this is where it gets exciting, right? They trade back into the first round and they go to get Jackson Dart. a guy who was clearly going to sit this year behind Russell Wilson and James Winston. So did Brian Dayball and Joe Shane just draft a guy they'll never get to develop? I don't know. Brian might stick around.

It is a question about the GM, especially the whole story about his kid was putting up Jackson. That wasn't true, though. That wasn't true. Oh, really? Oh, you didn't see? Oh, no.

It was, this is crazy. This is another thing. Like Jeff Ulbrick, the former interim coach for the Jets, now the defensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons, left his iPad accessible for his kid. His kid got the number and pulled the prank and then admitted it over the weekend and called the Sanders family to apologize. And let me just say this. I thought that was a bullshit, low-class, dickhead, amateur hour. cruel move. You don't like prank calls?

I love prank calls. I do. Like, I used to listen to the jerky boys on CD on the way home from driving to from Chicago to Bloomington and Bloomington back to Chicago. Loved it. Huge jerky boys fan. Obviously love when Stern does his prank calls, all that kind of stuff. But I think there's a difference here between Adore Sanders, who was clearly as, as, as,

as arrogant as he is, was actually trying to handle the whole draft situation with dignity and being open about it and standing in front of the camera and making statements and communicating with fans. He could have gone into a hole and, you know, while he's living his life out loud when he's successful, decided I'm not, I need my privacy when I don't. He didn't do that. And instead, these idiot kids act like fucking dick. kids and try to be funny and take a challenging moment for Shador Sanders and make it worse, I just thought it was bullshit. I didn't even watch it.

You know, my kid asked me last night at dinner if I had watched it because he had told me about the apology. I'm like, I didn't watch it. Like I just, it made me uncomfortable. It felt like it was voyeuristic and they were dicks. That's how I felt. Yeah, as always, humor is subjective. I am a fan of all prank calls.

I can be on my deathbed. Call me up. Prank call me. Anything. I don't care. I'm just, I'm still glad that the youth still doing it. Because it's,

I thought it was a dying art, right? I mean, in my youth, Chad, the amount of time we just spent a Friday night when I was in eighth grade or seventh grade. Guys,

now it's different. These kids are 21. Chad's right. They're psychopaths. But, they, the fuck up was they videotaped themselves doing it. That's the issue with the youth today is they don't,

they don't, they're too stupid. that part but um yeah prank calls i'm about it so yeah that's we differ listen i love prank calls i know but you're a father you're thinking of it from like you're this is your kid from i don't i don't give a fuck fuck them kids i don't have kids so i am the other way where it's like i loved it uh and i can't believe i have to be every year there's prank calls defending chador sanders i don't i don't care about his success in the nfl i just i just just thought it was a loser move.

That's all. I'll get back to the Giants. Giants, 28 to 1. Let me say this about the Giants. The Giants, because I do want to make sure people have their odds to win the NFC East right now, plus $2,800, 28 to 1. Yeah, and I love their draft. I always want to shit on the Giants just because it's been easy these last couple of years. But for this division, they had my favorite draft.

And it's just a draft of hope. And they've not had that in New York in a long time. And because no one really, like a lot of guys I know, especially in the area, I live in a lot of Giants fans, none of them really believed in Daniel Jones. Like they, they had high hopes his rookie year. I remember his first game against Tampa. It was insane how good he was. And then it ended up being probably one of his best games of his career,

which was his first start ever against Tampa. And he never really gave him hope where, you know, dart easily could be a bust. You know, this kid has a lot of upside. But he has a lot of game to him where you're just like, this is not going to translate to NFL. I mean, the kid's in a division with Dak Prescott, a guy who I know people left it dead.

He was second in MVP voting just two years ago. He's got a Super Bowl MVP in his division, Jalen Hertz. And then he's got arguably the best rookie we've ever seen in Jane Daniels. It's really tough right now for Giants fans. So to me, this was a win for them. You have a lot of pieces here that I really like Carter, my number one player, unlike graded for this draft. they got him as an edge rusher.

I hate that. He's going to be so tough to face in this division. So, yeah, gray draft by New York would not touch their odds for them winning this division. I think you're on the same boat. Well, so let's go to another wild card there, which is the Cowboys, who needed a wide receiver didn't get one in the first round. Needed a running back, didn't get one in the first round. They needed some offensive line help.

they reached for a guard at number 12, the kid from Alabama. And, you know, clearly Jerry is trying to recapture that magic of drafting Zach Martin. But the cowboys who are, what is that, three to one basically, I think I'm seeing. Yeah, about three to one. You're seeing seven to one? Yeah, seven to one for the division. Oh. I saw something different.

Oh yeah, you're right. Seven to one. They're in an interesting spot because DAC will be back, but they still don't have a running back. We'll see. I love Blue. A kid they drafted out of Texas. It's going to be interesting what type of back he is.

He's going to be CJ 2K, this incredible fast scatback, or is he just going to be a random third down guy they bring in because he's too small or he just doesn't know how to block too? like well like that that could be him but yeah like you said they they could have taken one higher up they waited to what pick 150 149 something like that to take this kid um yeah i'm with you on that i i liked how they started though i like that they went offensive guard they're attacking the offensive line which they need to do now like you said they've lost all these hall of famers across this last two years um it's it's a position of need so i know it sucks right people are

hoping they're going to take a receiver there which they just didn't grade out the receivers high enough to take them there and that's that's how it is when you're looking at your big board in you know they went after the edge in the next round so that's good but um yeah with the team we're we're going to dive into a lot this summer i just love the value on this cowboy's team you know yeah you've already bet the cowboys on this spot so yeah so yeah they're there they're right now for me to me to me the best value in this division they were eight to one me chad had a live show what was that like a month ago um now they're down to seven to one in most books or six to one at some book. So it's just a team that pros are going to bet in the public. They'll just stay away

because they did a year from hell last year. I think that's the only thing you said at the live show in the entire show was bet the Cowboys to win the NFC East. How did you feel about the Eagles? Let's talk about the Eagles. Everyone loves what Howie did. Everyone thinks Howie's a genius like getting another player that he feels like they need at linebacker. Did you have thoughts? Yeah, Eagles minus 160 right now, Beth 365 to win this division. And coming in this draft, I honestly,

it's, I think most Eagles fans are at this point of, we think we have the greatest football team ever. There are no weaknesses. What could we do to make this team better? So going in, I was just hoping to go tight end or some type of D-end. And yeah,

Jahad Campbell, the kid they took in the first round, stud linebacker from Alabama, typical dumb fan I am. I know very little about this kid. What the hell do I? Am I watching tape on Alabama's linebackers? No. So I've dove in on him, love him, find out. He's from Timber Creek, like literally 20 minutes away from me here in South Jersey. So he's a local kid. Stud doesn't need a necessary play linebacker. Can be an edge player.

So, you know, how he does it once again, has this guy fall right into his lap, trades up, which I want to bet, which I did not deserve to win. I had made a bet the Eagles would trade up because I had info that how he was going to try to move up. Apparently he was getting rejected for an hour by every team trying to trade up. And he saved my ass, trade up one spot for me to win that bet, fifth round pick. And yeah, you know, it's a team that Howie clearly loves our offense. He took, I think it was five straight defensive players in this draft. So there are certain things I like about teams doing that.

And like, I think our offense has zero weaknesses, attack the defense. And that's exactly what he did. So once again, Howie, most of the, people are giving them the classic A, A, plus. I'll give him a B plus. He did say something interesting about Dallas Goddard. He's part of the team for now. What is that about?

I think he stays. I think they were going to try to move them, but the tight ends they wanted got taken. And they basically, because this was a really good tight end class. And it just didn't work out with the board. And he's got a one-year deal. How it doesn't really like playing guys on the team on a one-year deal. So that's why I wouldn't be shocked if they do,

move them, I would not. Like to me, I know he does get injured, but when he's out there, Hertz has so much trust to him, especially on third downs, which is like, we talk all the time. If you have the right guy on third downs, it changes the whole dynamic of your team. So I hope they keep them, Chad, because they didn't address the position, but still would not be shocked because how he just has a weird thing about keeping guys on one-year deals. Last team in the NFC East, Washington, 2-1, maybe 220 to win the division. I don't have a strong opinion about their draft.

I don't know that they did anything to immediately vault them any higher, any closer to the Eagles, and they didn't lose ground to the Cowboys. The key for them is they got Jaden Daniels. And now what can they do to improve their defense? I don't know that they did anything spectacular to help themselves. No, and they were a year early. So another team I would not touch their odds. They should be closer to plus 350 plus 400 for this division than they all.

They're just, they're just beloved by everybody. People are making Janie Daniels a top five quarterback already in this league, a guy who's played one year. So that's, just stay away from them and, you know, this draft, they had five picks. What are you going to do? Not much ammo to use, you know, go great, got offensive tackle at pick 29. Love it. Like that's what they should be doing.

Yep. It's 10 year plan now. With the quarterback they have, you were thinking 10 years now. Every draft, you should be thinking 10 years. So, yeah, I like, I like, you know, I like, I like this Washington team, but no value here for me to visually and betting on them. One of the great anecdotes from the draft was Cliff Kingsbury, leaving a note for the Washington GM on his door that just says,

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Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's talk about the NFC West. 49ers made a very important pick in the seventh round of the draft, which to me says everything we need to know about. how serious they are when it comes to keeping Brock Purdy. Are you ready? Yeah. They chose Curtis Rourke, Indiana University,

starting quarterback in the seventh round. To me, that clearly says, we're not messing around with Brock Purdy. We're going to recreate the seventh round magic, and they're going to bring Curtis Rourke into the starting lineup replacing Brock Purdy when he wants his 65 to 70 million a year. They're going to be like, eh, we got the winner who took the Indiana Hoosiers to the college football playoff.

As I say, the only reason you draft this kid is he's a winner and he's smart. That's what they're saying themselves. So, yeah, their draft, Chad, just what I talked about earlier, it's they went in with a plan. They attacked the weakness of their team. What is the weakness right now, the 49ers, it's that defense. They have a whole total overhaul of this defense.

So, yeah, they started with an edge, a D tackle, D lineman, D-B, the alignment. Like, that just shows you exactly what they're playing was there, just to attack that D-line and attack what they think is a weakness around their team is that defense. So, yeah, not much to say of the 49ers here. Plus 1-45. Don't like that value at all. I think they're over-under win total with like 10.5. Yeah, I can't do it.

So, yeah, interesting team coming into this season. Yeah, they went, uh, Michael Williams, is it McHell or Michael? Eddrusher from Georgia. Then they went defensive tackle. Then they went linebacker. Then they went cornerback, defensive tackle. They had a wide receiver, a running back, like a safety.

They basically just drafted all defenders other than Curtis Rourke, future starting quarterback. The Rams, meanwhile, plus Winston. 65 to win the division, there was a lot of people. There were a lot of people who were like, will the Rams go after Shador Sanders? It felt like, you know, they need that pick. They need a guy who can back up Matthew Stafford. Were you surprised at the Rams draft, kind of a quiet draft? Like they were weren't aggressive.

They trade it out. Were you surprised at the Rams draft? No, because all the whisperers you hear is that they actually like DART. And if you look, they traded it out right after you got taken. And they trade out for a ton. Like that's a great trade by getting out of there, getting a first round pick for next year, which we talked about before the draft. I think next year is a really good draft class.

So if that's the route that they want to go with McVeigh, they're going to have an opportunity. But, yeah, this whole draft that kept trading down. And yeah, this is a team that, you know, One of those front offices, I just trust in everything they do. Like, they hadn't had a first round pick for years. And they finally did get one. You know, they had the best defensive player of the season last year and first.

So, yeah, this is a team that, you know, I wouldn't bet them at this point plus 165. They were plus 200. It's come down. I'll wait. This is a slow starting team. We have the history on it. Every year they start slow. And then they figure it out as this season goes along.

So, yeah, I, I, we just have to trust this team, right? It's McVeigh in this front office. I assume they nailed the draft, but we look at these pieces on the draft board, I got no clue. Right. I mean, it's a lot of sort of, it wasn't shiny, spectacular, explosive players. It was a lot of continuing to build depth for the Rams in all the places where they like to build depth. They're building depth at tight end. They're building depth across the defensive line.

And look, they've been brilliant at it. We saw it last year. If they think, all right, we can get through one more. year with Matthew Stafford. And then next year, if we've got two picks, we can package, trade up, get one of the top quarterbacks coming out of the draft. That could put him in a really good position. Totally agree with you. It's interesting to me. It makes me feel better about the Giants loving Jackson Dart that Sean McVeigh liked Jackson Dart so much. Arizona Cardinals plus 550 to win the division. We talk about guys dropping. We talked about Chador. We talked

talked about Mike Green. Will Johnson, who they took in the second round, the cornerback from Michigan, he dropped because of an injury. But people are loving this pick, talking about him having all pro potential that you don't often get in the second round. Are we more enthusiastic about the Arizona Cardinals right now? Yeah, that to me, it's the best value in this division. If you're looking just divisional odds, you know, you get a plus 550, you know, plus 600, shop around. To me, this draft, they needed to attack the defense. Just a couple of teams you've already talked about and they did. Like first round pick, detackle. Then like you said, Will Johnson cornerback. Then they went edge and then they went D-Lad and then they went D-back. Like this is

how they should have drafted. Right. That's the weakness of this team is their defense for sure. So confidence in Kyler Murray. Every year it gets less and less, Chad. I think you're in the same boat. So this is a team where every year it feels like it's a make or break career year for Kyler we all know he's got the talent he's got the tools he's got the weapons offensively no more excuses we're over i think everyone's kind of over i think Arizona is about a year or two away from being over it as well so um i love what they did attack the defense you got a defensive minded head coach he should not to scout these players so yeah to me best value right now Arizona in this division divisional odds Seattle 6 to 1 they got sam darnald they drafted jalen

Milrow could be interesting for a couple of packages a game. They really focused on the offensive line. That was the issue last year. We saw it. They couldn't stop anybody from getting to Gino last year. And that ultimately became the Achilles heel for the team. So the first thing they do, they draft this guy, Gray Zabel, who's the guard from North Dakota State, who Mel went crazy over. And it was a sort of a non-spectacular, non-high-profile names, yet players who, if you look at draft experts, everybody loved what Seattle did. They loved, they drafted high quality, high potential for need on their team.

Yeah, I love this kid. You know, I saw a couple interviews with him. his personality as well. It's like this is the exact kind of guy I won on my offensive line. He's got that personality for it. And just an absolute dog, but that's not going to fix their issues this upcoming season. The more I look at their team, I'm excited to see what their defense is going to be like in year two. But their their offensive line is terrible. And that's Sam Darnold's Achille Heels, pressure, especially up the middle. So great that they took a guard, a guy we think is going to be a good player. But they have a lot of holes of fix.

And I just don't think they did enough in this draft to fix those holes in that offensive line. Let's do the NFC South because we love Baker. And last year at this time, I think we were thinking the Bucks might be the worst team in the division. Now they are the odds on favorite to win again. They chose Emeka, Buka, the wide receiver from Ohio State, which could just tell you something about how they feel about Chris Cucca. Godwin. They also chose a guy that we talked about last week on the podcast with Thor Nystrom, who loved Benjamin Morrison, the cornerback from Notre Dame. They drafted him in the second

round. And, you know, if you want to talk, maybe I'm getting soft. You loved the prank call of Obrick's kid to Shador Sanders. I loved the complete, total, genuine, authentic, emotional response that Ben Morrison had when he got the call from the box and was just full waterworks, full tears, joy, relief, pride, happiness with his family. That to me was like those homecoming videos that you get on TikTok where the soldiers come home and they're hugging their kids and the kids see them and they freak out that to me what that was i could just watch that all day go bucks go ben morrison yeah yeah and i would say just from the top pretty interesting that they open at plus 110 for this division like the fact that

the books are giving them so much more weight over pennix in alana which i think is going to be the really joe public team so um that shows that early smart money's got to be tampa right that's that's professional money here making that number what it is and And looking at this draft, like you just said, they had to attack that secondary. That was their biggest weakness last year. I know they had horrible amount of injuries. And at the end of the day, though, they just had a talent weakness at that position. Even their starters before they got hurt weren't great.

So the fact that, you know, they're going after their cornerbacks. They're going after D-Line. And like you said, started out the top with a Y receiver because, you know, Godwin is coming off a major injury. Love it all, Chad. And it's just Tampa. Like we keep saying, it's incredible. the organization they are in this division where, you know, as much as we love shit on this division,

this is a Tampa team that is an expansion team, has won multiple Super Bowls, and it's pretty incredible at this point that Tom Brady now, what is it, year three since he's been gone, and they've won the division two years in a row since he's left. So really, really impressive. And like Chad's basically saying, we're just going to trust this front office.

They just keep making the right draft picks and the right moves. Speaking of Atlanta, not understanding their moves for the second year in a row. Yeah. Okay? Like, they got their edge rusher in the middle of the first round, and then they trade a first round under the Rams who basically fleeced them to get back into the first round and draft another edge rusher, who wasn't even like the highest rated ed rusher left on the board. Yeah, it's bizarre.

especially where I love the Walker pick. It felt like that was like, oh, great. You guys are attacking the edge. You need D-Ns. Great. Now you'll take another one in the second round, maybe. No, they traded back in. They take another D-N, which is good.

I like the idea for their team. But like you said, it's really stupid value, especially where they have an unproven quarterback in Pennix, being their starting extra. I mean, they could shit the bed. This could be a top 10, top 15 pick. So, whew, bizarre move. Rams, like we said,

just the rich getting richer, smart move by them. And yeah, overall, this is a team that need to attack the defense. Like we talked about, they used their first four picks attacking the defense. Their last pick, picked 218, took an O-Lyman. So, yeah, this, like you said, plus 230, plus 240 for them to win this division. I am not touching Atlanta. I just, I don't really trust this team. And I don't know how I feel yet about Pennix.

Is it too early in the year to say, all right, we're going in on the Panthers? at plus 435 because they basically, they addressed every need. They needed a receiver for Bryce Young. They needed edge rushers. They did that. They needed help along the defensive line. Generally, they did that.

Like, they were great. They were totally great. Love the Panthers. If we believed in them at the end of the year, we have to believe in them at plus 435. Yeah, like you said, like this is the team we're going to love. And the fact that they were plus 500, got bet down to plus 450, now they're down to plus 425.

It makes sense. I think most professionals are like us, but they're just going to look at this team that they have so much potential. And like you said, in this draft, they attacked all the needs we talked about, right? They needed edge help, some D-Ns. They wouldn't got two of them. The first round pick is going to be interesting, chat. Like this kid McMillan, this wide receiver, like a couple really bad clips of them out there, him talking about how he doesn't love football.

Doesn't like doing the extra work, right? Reading it through the playbook. I think what he came on and said afterwards, he was just young and stupid, and he was just talking out of his ass. And I hope that's true because we say it all the time. It's easy to act like you love this. The great ones, though, they love it.

And they put in the work. And that's what you're going to need, especially if you're going to be the number one receiver of this team. So we're on the same page. It's never too weird for us to show our love on this panthers. And the fact that it's still above plus 400, I love that value right now, this Panthers team to win this division.

Look, at Nick Saban, who I love, had great comments about this happens in every field. Just because you have innate talent as a football player doesn't mean it translates when you get to the higher levels in the same way you might have innate talent as a doctor. It doesn't mean it's going to translate if you don't commit to the process, if you don't do the work,

if you're not passionate about it, if you don't want to study on a regular basis, you can be the greatest doctor, the greatest football player in the world. there's very few people who can get away with not doing all the stuff that it takes to elevate to the next level. And he can't be an outcome-oriented guy if you're going to be productive because you're going to focus on what you need to do to get it right. And I think a lot of times when guys have talent, you just assume that they have that. Everybody's smart that goes to medical school, but everybody doesn't make it through.

And some that make it through don't make good doctors. So it's the same kind of thing with athletes. when people are process oriented and then they have a discipline to execute it, that's when you get a talented player who becomes a great player. But like I always love the story about young guys who come in, they see the veteran quarterback and how eye open is. And, you know, Mahomes tell us a great story about Alex Smith, where he was just like, I knew how hard I had to work,

but seeing the fact that he was always the first one in, last one out, like really doesn't instill in you. It's like you want to be the best, the guy who was already much better than he was putting in that extra hours. like we talk a little time, the Kobe story. Kobe going to the gym with the USA basketball team at four or five in the morning. LeBron James couldn't believe it. He goes, wait, you're practicing before our practice and lifting.

And that's when he realized, like, that's what it takes to be great. So, yeah, it's really interesting what they did in this draft is Panthers team. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Saints went with Calvin Banks, first pick, tackle from Texas. We had a long conversation about them in the podcast last week, where his position was going to be. He was starting to get all this love. People thought he might go before Will Campbell, who went forth over all the Patriots.

He did not. But what got interesting was, everyone thought Shardur Sanders to the Saints was the exact right spot and then in the second round they draft that, you know, 85 year old quarterback from Louisville. So clearly, Shardor Sanders

was never in the Saints draft plans. There's 7 to 1 right now to win the NFC South. Yeah, I was reading about that kid, Tyler. I think he's like 26, the quarterback they took from Louisville. It's practically my age. Seriously, though, very bizarre.

Very bizarre pick. Like I said before, I know that he is a ton of talent. It's someone who can never stay healthy and, like, you know, is never proven to be what he just got drafted at. So, yeah, the Saints, I thought they had the worst draft in this division, but I think it's also just, you know, part of the deal with this Saints team. It's just they're going to be doubted every step just because they've just been a train wreck here this last five, six years.

So, yeah, don't have to say about the Saints team would not touch them at plus 800, plus 750 to win this division. Best division in football, NFC North, Detroit Lions, best record in football last year, number one seed, did it with masking tape

on the defensive side of the ball. So what do they do? First pick. They draft a guy from Ohio State, defensive tackle. Great move. But then they go, offensive line, wide receiver,

offensive line. They don't go back to the defensive line and an edge rusher until the sixth round of the draft. They're clearly smarter than we are. They are the odds on favorite to win the division plus 130 at Bet365. I'm not betting the Lions to win this division.

No, you know, we might overrated a little bit on this show how important coaching is. So there is some truth to our madness. And the fact they lost such important key figures to this team from the defensive side and the offensive side of the coaching position, we have to hold it accountable. And, you know, we talk about this division. The worst odds right now are Chad's bears at plus 450.

Which is crazy. That's how close this division is right now. And we're betting the bears. Like you said, though, it's the best division of football. So I want to take a position on Detroit. I don't think this is the spot to take it, especially divisionally. It's not a good number. And like you said, I'm going to trust their front office.

I like that they attacked just the D line. The D line, first pick, great. Now, give me a couple offensive linemen, right? Keep building on what that makes you guys so great, which is that offensive line. That's what it's all about. And, you know, the whispers we hear about them moving on from the wire receiver, Williams, we don't know how true it is, but they did take a wire receiver at pick 70. That's a big deal.

So you're right. Like, this is not a team. We're going to take a plus 1.30. I'm excited to see what they're going to be like without Ben Johnson. Like this is just a team that oozes a crazy amount of talent. Can they stop being cursed, put it all together remains to be seen. Packers plus 275, Jordan Love coming back for a full season healthy. And I do like what they did here.

After years of neglecting the receiver room generally and trying to patch together with lower rated players, they went out and got a burner in Matthew Golden who had dropped a little bit. A lot of people thought he might be the number one receiving prospect. And they got him at 23. That's a weapon for Jordan Love. I love this play.

Still not the team I would bet to win the division. Yeah, I don't hate the number. I wish it was plus 300, plus 275. It feels like we missed the best of the number for this division. Um, you know, love the golden pick. Green Bay fans bitching and moaning about them never taken talented receivers. You guys drafted Devante Adams.

What the fuck you're talking about? Jordy Nelson, you drafted him as well. It's like you guys have had some great draft picks. Your front office is just smart taking them in the second, third round. And, uh, you know, golden here, you definitely slipped, right? This is the guy that a lot of people are suggesting to be a top 10, top 15th pick and maybe the first receiver off the board. Yeah, Speedster.

Excited to see what the floor does with him in different packages. You know, this is a team that went receiver, offensive tackle, receiver. I love that start, right? They're basically saying to Jordan Love, okay, we'll admit we failed you a little bit here. We've not gotten you the weapons by receiver really that we should have in these last two, three years. We're going to attack that position in this draft. And, you know, obviously they need golden to hit, right? In this division, the difference between the number one team in the last.

last place team is so small, it's going to be guys like this, this type of pick that could change the division. So if Golden hits, he's a Tyriek Hill type, you know, a speedster that can stretch the field and open up the run game for Josh Jacobs. It's a home run of a draft pick. So yeah, I get why Green Bayes fans are so excited. How can you not be taking this kid with a great name as well, Golden? I love it at Pick 23. Uh, Minnesota Vikings plus 400. Minnesota Vikings. Look, it's basically J.J. McCarthy was their number one pick

because he'll be starting this year. So they did the right things. They drafted a guard from Ohio State, Donovan Jackson to help protect him. They drafted a wide receiver from Maryland, future school for my younger son, Owen Millman, who has decided to commit to Maryland. We're super excited about that.

Go Terps. You're turp. They did the things. they need to do in the first couple rounds to give JJ McCarthy a little bit more support. You're always going to trust their coach. I like the value in Minnesota at this number. Don't like it as much as the Bears, though. No, I wouldn't touch it.

It's too much unknown with JJ. I'm excited. Obviously, they got high hopes. This kid's a winner, but like we talked about him coming out, just never had enough reps. Never, never had enough reps in college. It passed in the ball, really having the offense on his back. So a ton of unknown, you know, KOC, how can you not trust this guy? He made Sam Donald and do a $100 million quarterback and do a playoff caliber quarterback.

So yeah, to me, worst draft in division just because they had no fucking picks, man. They'd had pick 24, take a guard, great. Now they don't pick till 102. Like that's really tough. So, yeah, they mortgage the future. They got the quarterback from last year. Like you said, they're not, they don't care if they win this year. This is all about setting up for the next two.

to three to four years. So that from my standpoint, I'm with you. I like that they went guard, receiver. Nice way to start it. But yeah, this to me was a nothing draft from Minnesota. Chicago Bears plus 450. There it is. There it is. Look, they sucker us every year. They truly do. They do. They really do. And so, you know, credit to Ryan Poles and the front office who win the offseason so consistently that we cannot help ourselves but pull the trigger. Well, we were negative last year, Smarling. We were all over Detroit division. And we were on the Bears under win total.

That's true. We're back on this year, though. We're so back on. I love the Loveland pick. You know, I'm all in on him being Sam Laporta part two for Ben Johnson. Luther Burden, who going into the season, like a lot of people, thought he might be the best receiver in the draft. So the fact that he dropped to the second round for the Bears and they got him. And then they drafted an offensive lineman, a six-eight

dude from Boston College who like will help solidify the offensive line that was a real issue, obviously for Caleb, because he was sacked so many times last year, partially his fault. He should let the ball go sooner. We're going to work on that. But they need defensive line help and they kind of ignored it and just said, we need to do everything we can. to maximize the opportunity for Caleb Williams to be successful, recognizing how important and how good the other quarterbacks are in their division and in their conference. They need him to be great week one.

This is the best opportunity to do that. So I'm all in. Yeah, they also made a deal with the devil and Ben Johnson. They gave a ton of money, and you can see in this draft that they let his imprint be known on this team. And I love the pick with Loveland. I really thought they couldn't go wrong. Warner, you know, the kid out of Penn State, both great, both great tight ends.

Loveland's a freak. This kid could be gronk or like you said, Sam Leporteur. That's the ceiling. You know, the fact that they get this kid out of Missou in the next round and where it's like, like Chad said, he's predicted to be your first rounder. Steve Smith loves this kid. Like can't stop raving about him. And then, you know, it's not the sexiest pick, but I like this kid Turner. You got as an edge. I think he has some really high upside. So overall, to me, the Bears, their first four picks really knocked it out of the park. And, yeah, I just, I have so much faith in Ben Johnson. And if I don't really trust your general manager totally, I really do trust Ben Johnson and his vision for building this team how he wants to.

And you can immediately see his imprint on this team right from this get-go with this draft. I'm glad we're in agreement. I didn't want to be like having to push you into the Bears. No, no, I'm in. This is fantastic. All right. We're going to come back tomorrow. We're going to do the AFC tomorrow, but it's fun going through and trying to find the value, early value, division by division for these teams coming out of the draft.

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