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Episode Date: March 6, 2025ESPN NFL Draft expert Field Yates returns to talk mock drafts, top prospects, free agency and so much more. Action Network hosts Chad Millman and Simon Hunter ask him about potential destinations for ...D.K. Metcalf, the Chicago Bears' recent moves, dynasty drafting and the upside of running back Ashton Jeanty. And if you want to see the show live, RSVP now to join us for our free Chicago live event, Elite 8 Saturday March 29th at the popular venue Joe's On Weed. #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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my neighbor here in West Hartford, Connecticut. Welcome back to the show, Field Yates.
It's good to be on. It's kind of like an annual tradition now. I guess after you do it twice,
it becomes an annual tradition.
Because if memory serves, the last appearance was around this time of the year last year.
And since then, we had you on, didn't we have you on in August?
You know, everything is, everything is blurred.
Maybe you would just injured your shoulder.
Oh, okay.
You know what?
I got to be honest with you.
That shoulder, they say that the biggest issue is like, you know, the actual, like the capacity to come back to 100% with your shoulder.
I just think it's clouded of my memory.
Everything is a blur over the last six or seven months since,
suffering what is considered by many the single dumbest injury in the history of sports media,
just in sports in general.
Well, listen, I'll tell you a story from last night that'll make you feel so much better.
So I'm talking to my son, my 18-year-old son.
We're talking about the Bears.
Of course, during the day, as he's supposed to be in school, you know, he's a second semester
senior.
So he's not paying too much attention right now.
He's just texting me about the Bears trade for Joe Tunney, which we are going to do.
dig into. And I mentioned to him while I'm making dinner and he's hanging out with me that we're having
you on the show today. And my kid says, oh, I think he's friends with our neighbors. Like I saw,
them once and we were talking about sports and they mentioned him. And I said, yeah, he is. I've seen
field at their house and he lives in town. And he said to me, you don't have a lot of friends.
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We would not trade places with you no matter how much you have going for you.
I can remember that instance very well. And what I will say is, as it turns out, I'm once again by myself right now with my kids. My wife doesn't travel often. But when she does, it seems to be aligned with when you and I are either talking or hanging out in the same place. I learned my lesson that time. I thought, hey, you know what? I've got both kids to myself. I am this well-established girl dad that can handle anything that comes my way. Why don't I take them out to dinner? That was a poor decision. So the itinerary for the next three nights.
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yesterday was a huge day of news in the NFL. D.K. Metcalf wants to trade. The Bears trade for
Joe Tunney. But the biggest news to me, Max Crosby.
signed a three-year, $105 million contract, $90 million guaranteed.
That feels like folly to me, your take.
Okay, so here's what I would say.
There's been a lot of turnover in Las Vegas.
They haven't even been to Las Vegas Raiders for that long,
and they've had a lot of coaching and general manager changes in that time.
Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler were replaced eventually by Antonio Pierce and Tom
Telesco, and then they decided to make the shift one more time.
now it's John SpyTech as their GM with Pete Carroll as their head coach.
Bad, probably for vibes to be making that many changes and not ideal for young quarterbacks to constantly be shifting systems.
Probably pretty good for star players.
One of the messages that we heard yesterday from John SpyTech and Pete Carroll was because there was a press conference that was associated with this landmark deal was, hey, we're just getting started here.
And what better way to get started than to affirm.
to the entire locker room, that it's not just that Max is our most talented player,
it's that Max carries himself and puts in the work required to be great,
that if every player followed his lead, we'd be a whole lot better.
So I'm not saying that the Raiders, if they had kept their prior administration,
would not have touched Max Crosby's contract.
Last year, they did the old borrow from a future year,
accelerated on to the present year,
which basically forces their hands back to the table the year later.
But yeah, the Raiders are trying to make a statement here.
And one thing I will say about Las Vegas.
And I think that I probably align closer to you with this.
I, if I were the Raiders, would be thinking long and hard about what is my legitimate path towards the playoffs in this division?
The Chiefs, despite the humble pie served in the Super Bowl, are still the Chiefs,
the Broncos and the Chargers are two teams that both made the playoffs and are on the
rise. Each of those three teams has both a young quarterback and a very accomplished, and I think
we all believe, still has some good coaching left in him head coach. If you're the Raiders,
would you rather play a bit more of the long game or try to find your way to sneak in to the
playoffs sooner than later? It sounds like when you hire a 73-year-old head coach in Pete Carroll,
who the second he steps on the sideline this fall will be the oldest coach in league history,
and you have Tom Brady as one of your principal voices, your mindset is we want to win sooner rather
than later. And so the Max Crosby extension is an affirmation that we're going to continue to
build around Max and a few other players. And we expect to win, maybe not win big this year,
but win sooner rather than later, I am, I would have been more inclined to soft reset and
try to build this thing organically. But that's easy for me to say when my, I'm not in the
weeds every single day competing with that locker room and the one who is not judged based
off of the wins and losses of the franchise like Pete Carroll and John Spike Tech will be going
forward.
Simon, this feels like a tragically terrible move for the guys that cannot get it right.
For a player who last year, this feels to me like the owner is constantly trying to
placate and be friends with the star player.
because last year
when Antonio Pierce
went from interim coach
to head coach,
it was because Max Crosby said
he didn't want to play
with the Raiders
if Antonio Pierce
wasn't going to be the head coach.
So we talked about the Raiders
in the mailback.
This is creeping up
as one of the teams consistently.
I feel like as a fan,
I'd never want to root for.
Yeah, and it's tough
if you're a Raiders fan
because you're not
one or two pieces away, right?
You are...
multiple years away. And it's interesting that division for the five oldest head coaches in that division.
Like that's, people don't realize that's an old school type of division now when you really think about it,
where a lot of these guys have been around forever and they're winners. They're proven winners.
And they're in a weird spot now where, you know, the other three teams seem like they found their
quarterback in this team here. Like, I'd love to get Fields View on it. Are they really going for Gino Smith?
Are they really in the Sam Darnold business? There's so many rumors. And it's nonstop, too, where I told Chad last week,
I almost got caught.
I almost bet on them because I thought it was a sure thing that Stafford was going there,
that the league was drying, that that was a real deal move.
It wasn't.
That was all just him leveraging his position with the ramp.
So is it true fields?
Are they going after one of these quarterbacks?
Are they just going to release Minshu here and then just roll with whatever they can find
in the draft this upcoming season?
I would imagine that the most likely thing that happens to Gino Smith this offseason
is an extension with Seattle as opposed to being on the move.
I don't know the exact number there,
but Gino is going into the final year of a three year,
a hundred million dollar deal.
There was some upside on top of that through incentives,
some of which Gino has already hit.
I think you're more likely to see Gino do a remix of that deal.
Maybe it's more because the quarterback market has exploded.
And he is playing good football.
And we don't talk about tread on the tires for quarterbacks that often,
but he's one of the least experience isn't the right word,
but the least utilized players at that position for his age, right?
because he had like basically that, I don't know, seven, eight year period where he just watched most games from the sideline.
So, Gino, I think is probably going to stick in Seattle going forward.
I think the Raiders are going to be in the mix on some of these quarterbacks.
And really, there's only one that moves a needle.
That would be Sam Darnold.
And I'd say this is it's possible the Raiders could get Shador Sanders sixth overall in the draft.
It's also possible the Raiders could be motivated to try to move up in the draft.
because the thing about April 24th through 26th in Green Bay, Wisconsin this year is, yeah, it's possible he falls to you, but he also might not.
And you don't get your quarterback in the draft.
You did nothing in free agency.
You're basically punting on the season.
No team can win with the level of quarterback play that they had last year.
The roster is simply not nearly good enough to compete.
So I think there's a chance they get in the Sam Darnold mix.
And then I think if they don't, it tells us they're feeling pretty good about how they can plow.
their path in the draft. You just can't afford to wait. The Giants, the Browns, the Titans,
I reverse the order there, but I would say that those two, those three teams in that order are
most desperate for a quarterback. When you've got three, they pick one, two, three, and you're at
six. Like, you just can't settle for the possibility of maybe a quarterback getting there. So
the Raiders are going to be aggressive. This would not be the offseason that I would be shopping
for a quarterback in an aggressive way.
But they are looking at it like,
we don't have that many strikes in our count,
and we're not going to just take one
before the games have actually begun.
So the other team that made moves yesterday,
the Chiefs got rid of Joe Tuny.
And they lopped off $16 million from the cap,
which they needed to do.
Yeah.
Cruey was sort of the star of that offensive line this year, not just for the way he was playing a guard, but for the way he shifted out to left tackle and was serviceable when that was clearly the biggest Achilles heel for the chiefs.
And even if it wasn't a great Super Bowl performance, this is a guy who accrued so much respect in the locker room and then throughout the league.
But they had to get rid of them because they needed to save the money.
if you're the Bears and you've got Josiah Jackson now from the Rams and Joe Tuny from the Chiefs,
do you think you have solidified your interior line?
Or have you just taken guys who are maybe one who underperformed because of injury and then something quirky that happened in L.A.
with Jackson or a guy who's old and might have had his last best spot and was just really expensive?
Like, how am I supposed to feel about this as a Bears fan?
really good is what I would say. So let's talk about this. Let's break it down in a couple of different
ways. You have this head coach and Ben Johnson, who of course chose Chicago over pretty much any job
he wanted, right? That was substantial. It was a big move for this franchise. And it spoke to,
I think, the way that Ben views the roster already and also how I think he views the front office
and the vision and the cohesion he felt during that interview process with Ryan Poles and Kevin
Warren, the GM and the president of the Bears amongst others who were also in that mix. That being said,
it's still important once you land the coach that you make him happy beyond that, right?
Like, you know, you want to woo him during the interview process to incentivize him to take this job,
and then you want to show him just how much on the same page you two are.
And, you know, Jonah Jackson is familiar to Ben Johnson, four-year starter for Ben Johnson in Detroit, right?
I mean, the guy played left guard for the first four years of his rookie contract.
I guess the entire Davis rookie contract with the Lions, I'm sure that Ben had a prominent
voice in this process to acquire Jonah.
It wasn't as if, you know, the bears went to him and said, we're thinking about acquiring
Jonah.
He said, I think I'm good on that guy.
We'll maybe go a different direction.
They said, no, no, we're acquiring him.
Like, that does not get done if Ben Johnson was not confident in the player that he still is.
Joe Tooney, this is a good reminder that circumstances are different for every single team.
The Chiefs could not go five minutes this past year without discussing just how respected
Joe Tooney is.
He was in a locker room that is full of.
Future Hall of Fame players, certainly Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones has that trajectory and maybe a couple of others get there by the time it's all said and done.
Joe Tunney was frequently referred to as amongst the most, if not the most respected, dependable players on the entire roster.
The chief season was not falling apart.
They lost one game during the regular season until week 18 when the backups played against the Broncos.
That being said, it was clear their ceiling was not at the same level as it had been in prior years in which they made deep play.
off runs because the offensive line was a disaster. They took some swings. They have drafted in the
third and second round, Wanyay Morris and Kingsley Suamata Ia, respectively. And those guys just weren't
ready for prime time. So they said, let's take our best offensive lineman, Joe Tunney, and make him a
left tackle, which he was, by the way, first team All-American at North Carolina State way back
when he came out. But Joe Tuny has the strongest stamp of approval from Bill Belichick and Andy
read. I would say it's a pretty good starting point. Does he have five years left in him? Probably not.
But does he have two years left in him? I sure think so. And I think I don't know this for a fact.
I haven't seen it reported anywhere. I'm just using my common sense here. Wouldn't stun me if the
Bears and Joe Tooney find a way to do some sort of short-term pact that maybe guarantees Joe
all of this season, which he's going to make that money from the Bears no matter what. You don't
trade for a guy and then cut him. But guarantees him this year, maybe some of next year as
well, maybe they say, hey, we'll do a three-year deal that reduces your cap hit a little bit this year.
Maybe your average annual value drops down by a little bit.
So maybe a one-year, $16 million deal turns into a three-year, $42 million deal where the third and final year is non-guaranteed.
So if Joe's no longer giving it, he doesn't, no longer has that elite upside in him at age 34 or 35, which you don't see many of those in the NFL.
We'll move on.
But in the short term, the bears have completely reconstructed not just the tax.
talent of their offensive line room. But I really think that the, I would say the leadership,
the maturity, the intangibles to that lock, to that offensive line room, which when you've
got a young quarterback with so many gifts, but had so many things last year that just did not
work out in his favor, you got to find ways to pour every resource into him. And with Ben Johnson
of these two offensive linemen, it's a darn good start for them, really good.
I may or may not yesterday after the Bears traded for Joe Tunney have decided that the
interior offensive line, which to me might be the most important point of sort of strategy
and competence that you need to run an offense with a guy like Caleb Williams who got
sacked so much last year, I might have felt overconfident. I may or may not have bet on
the Bears to win the Super Bowl. I'm just saying, Simon, I think you're required to do so every
year, right? Isn't that just like in the Millman blood? I am. I am required to do it, but I might
have done it yesterday with more enthusiasm than I have in years past.
Since Justin Fields prior to this past year.
So it's been two years since I felt this confident, which is a run.
Yeah, that is.
And they might not be done yet, you.
I've heard the rumors they might go after the center from Atlanta.
Yes, Drew Dalman.
You know, I have a fourth best center of football.
So that would just be huge, huge to keep adding to that interior.
Think about how many times we've talked about the Falcons running game.
and the most important part of their running game being their center and their right guard.
Yeah.
Same system.
Yeah.
Same system.
His own scheme.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
Yes.
Exactly.
So, of course, because my kid isn't paying attention in his AP psychology class, yesterday
we were texting about the Bears getting Drew Dalman and how important he has been to
the Atlanta Falcons run game.
That's when I pulled the trigger, by the way, on the Super Bowl that way, was after I decided
they were getting Drew Dolman.
Last thing I'll say here on the Bears, I'm sure we want to get to other topics as well.
You can say whatever you want about Ryan Poles, who I happen to believe has done a pretty good job in terms of in a few ways.
First of all, they made a master stroke trade to land Caleb Williams. He's going to be a good player.
I still believe that was an excellent deal. On top of that, the books are clean here in Chicago for the most part.
Like they've made two trades for guys in Jonah and Joe who are accounting for like $30 plus million in 2025 as the contracts are currently written.
they still have like 50 million to spend, right?
And there are some in-house free agents that we'll see on, right?
Like, Keenan Allen probably seems like he's not likely to return, but we shall see, right?
Like the books have largely been kept clean.
And Chicago is not one of those teams.
And this is not a negative, but they don't push all their money into the future,
a la Philly, Cleveland, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, etc.
Like, they kind of keep structure flat.
So there actually is some good wiggle room here for this.
team to despite the fact that they've already made two notable trades, do go big game hunting.
Maybe a Drew Dalman, maybe some other pieces as well.
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I know Chad once got to get the draft.
Before we get there, Chad, I need to know more about DK because to me it's a big deal
where this might structure a whole division.
That division is AFC East.
Again, everyone I'm hearing from is Bill's Patriots.
They're going to get two teams playing for DK.
Field here is locked in with the Patriots.
Is that true?
Is that really the guy that pitcher is going after?
Is that a smokescreen by them to drive up the price to the bills try to get DK because
it's a last year of a DK's deal.
So if he gets traded here, he's going to get paid.
a big amount of money.
You have two factors to note here and you're right of the contract is I think if the
Seahawks get this done, they're going to work very hard to make sure it's an AFC team.
It's not that you can't trade a player from the NFC to another team in the NFC, but there's
something a little bit different about this high profile trades where, you know, if D.K gets traded
to the Patriots, the Seahawks play them once every four years.
They play them in Seattle once every eight years.
Like I haven't done the math or checked when New England last played or Buffalo.
last played in Seattle.
But, I mean, it's possible that DK could be on,
he could be retired by the time they next play in Buffalo if it was this past year, right?
But that is, that is possible.
And it's a factor that I think teams are somewhat mindful of.
So let's start there.
I think AFC would be the preference, all things being equal.
On top of that, you're right.
He's going to need a new deal as well.
He's scheduled to make 18 million bucks this year.
He signed a three-year, $72 million extension a few off seasons ago.
that no longer is commensurate with the market. It just isn't. Jamar Chase probably explode the
wide receiver market, but it's already boomed a lot since D.K.K. did his deal. So if you're a team
acquiring D.K. Metcalfe, you have to account for not just the draft capital that Seattle wants,
but also the fact you're going to have to pay D.K. Metcalf, which kind of deflates the draft
capital value a little bit. You're paying double freight in this case. D.K. is an interesting one, right? So such a
talented player, explosive. He's one of the best deep that receivers in the entire NFL.
He also is a player that has run hot and cold. Right. I mean, this is a guy who at times,
we've been talking about him and need to control his emotions more. So I think he needs to go
somewhere where he feels as though he's got a chance to win, right? And so I think New England,
do they need him desperately? Yeah, they do. And do I think that the Patriots have some things going
for them? Drake May certainly looks like he's a really promising player. And Mike Vrable is a stud head coach.
but I think they're more than D.K. Metcalf away from getting anywhere close to competing in that division.
So I think I might be looking more towards teams actually like the Chargers who have been reported as a DK Metcaf suitor.
I think the Texans have been mentioned. I think the bills have been mentioned.
Teams like that that if you're DK or if you're those teams, you're saying to yourself, hey, we get this guy, we might be the team to be to the AFC.
This is unfair to the Chiefs, in my opinion.
But right now, I'm just telling you, talking to people around the NFL, this is, and not
Not every person, right?
I haven't canvassed every single person who has an opinion.
But I've talked to enough people that feel like there are some sharks in the water right now, right?
Like they feel as though Kansas City is going to be excellent next year.
But the Super Bowl reminded them that you can still make the playoffs and do some damage if you're not the Kansas City Chiefs.
And I think people feel as though, well, Casey deserves to be the favorites.
And I'm sure they will be, at least in the AFC West.
You know, you might be able to get them in a one game scenario as well and breathe some life into your franchise.
So you were at the combine.
I'm sure you were having a lot of these conversations.
Give me your most impressive prospect from the combine.
So I did not spend a lot of time at the podium or the players were speaking to the media.
So I'll give my evaluation just from like a, from the perspective.
of what he did on the field.
And it's polarizing.
It is.
It's probably Shamar Stewart or Matthew Golden from two separate Texas schools.
Texas A&M for Shamar Stewart and Matthew Golden at Texas.
And I'll lean towards Golden for this reason is I prefer when the combine looks like the tape.
And the tape looks like the combine as opposed to the combine not perfectly aligning with the tape.
So Shamar Stewart, I've used this phrase 50 times.
Might as well make it 51 times.
is the most fascinating prospect in the draft. He, 6'5, he dropped from 280 pounds, a 264 pounds,
from the Senior Bowl to the Combine, which is like a month apart. So he may have been like
in Combine Training mode, but still at 264 pounds, he ran a 46040. He had one of the best
vertical jumps of any defensive player at like 40 or 41 inches. His broad jump was 11 feet.
The guy, if you saw him, is one of the most impressive-looking humans that you will see.
He had four and a half sacks in his career, though.
Four and a half, one and a half in each of his three seasons at A&M.
So you're going to pay the guy to be a pass rusher,
and he had just one and a half sacks each of his three college seasons.
He's a really, really talented player and a really solid kid, too.
This is not a kid who just didn't produce because he wasn't engaged.
It was just couldn't quite finish the job on these sacks.
I think he's going to end up going as high as like pick 7, 8, 10.
I have them a little bit lower in the rankings because I'm just a bit more risk-averse
pulling, you know, that would be a big bet on a guy who had such a modest college career.
Matthew Golden from Texas at 191 pounds ran a 4-2-940.
And this kid can scoot.
He had a really good season.
And he had just one year at Texas.
He was previously at Houston.
But he had a great finish to the year.
In two of the final four games, Texas played.
He had 149 or more receiving yards.
I wish he had gotten to 150 because 149 just sounds a little bit awkward.
That being said, you guys get the point.
He was big when it mattered most for Texas.
And he can fly.
Like, that is clear on tape.
He was the second fastest player in Indianapolis behind only Max Harrison,
a guy who I've loved throughout the process from Kentucky.
at 428.
That being said, a golden, a guy who I think I, who grew on me throughout the year because
his play improved throughout the year, should be viewed at least in my estimation,
as a first round lock.
Don't we have enough evidence at this point of guys who are physical freaks and didn't
perform in college not being the best reaches for the NFL draft?
Yeah.
Yes.
That being said, there are like things that are tantalized.
in life that we consistently go back to all the time, right?
It's just hard not to, you know, like, you know,
or do you prefer fashion over function when it comes to your car or, you know,
things like that, right?
Or, like, people will sacrifice warmth or comfort with their clothing to look a little
bit cooler, you know, it's like it's just hard not to, you know?
So I think probably the truth is that Shamar Stewart,
he's going to be one of those guys that a GM either gets a feather in the cap
or perhaps the walking papers from a few years from now, right?
you either sit there and you look like a genius because you were audacious enough to take a kid
whose skills were so, so enticing, or, hey, the guy ends up in three years with just four
and a half sacks at the NFL level.
And that's just not good enough from a first round pick.
It was paid to rush the passer.
It's like that James Harris quote, chat.
It's, I'm not a model.
That's why I wasn't invited to the combine.
I'm a football player.
That's the issue, right?
There's a couple of guys.
They looked apart.
Are they a football player?
So, I mean, off that topic, you know, I've heard quick.
in years, the guy hurt his draft prospect of the combine.
Are there anyone that jumps out through that really hurt their draft stock from the
combine?
Because we know that, you know, guys are sitting out the combine nowadays because of this fear,
this exact fear of hurting their own draft stock.
Yeah, I'll give you a few guys that performed or didn't perform in the way in which
I think it could have helped them or hurt them or help them by doing the opposite here.
I love Tyler Booker.
He's a really good player from Alabama.
I think he still goes in the first round.
But he ended up doing all the testing after measuring at like 6-5, 3-10.
He's a big human. He's a Connecticut kid, by the way, as well. I think he's New Haven.
But this is like this guy is hard to miss. And he had a great college career at Alabama.
I mean, you hear, I mean, they just, they love him. Nick Saban, who will be on the broadcast,
I'm sure will have glowing things to say about Booker. Athletic testing, though, just wasn't great.
And there are teams that are just a little bit scared on guards who aren't that explosive.
He ran a 5-3-940. It doesn't matter how fast you are as a guard. No, but, you know, it also suggests that
your foot quickness is not in line with where some of these defensive tackles are.
I still think he goes to the first round, but I moved him down from like maybe a guy that could
go as high as like 13, 14 to maybe a guy that ends up going like 20, 21.
His teammate, Jail and Milrow, I think actually would have benefited from doing some stuff at the
Combine. The throwing is always going to be a hot topic, but don't you guys think, and I don't
want to put words into your mouth. So if you disagree vehemently, let me know. But if Jail and
Miller had gone to the combine and run a 4-3-540, I think it would have helped him a lot because
it would have been a reminder to people that for the deficiency he does have right now is a
pocket and rhythm passer. He's one of the most explosive players in the NFL in the draft. He just
is. Like I'd be, if I'm taking Jalen Milrow and I haven't finished, I'm working on my top 100 right now,
it's not finished. It won't be for some time. There's a lot of work to be done there.
but you can tell me
Jalen deserves to be 40th.
You could also say he might be closer to 75th.
He's such a tantalizing guy.
I think if he had run,
it really would have helped remind us of why he is so intriguing.
And just generally speaking,
running backs and wide receivers that don't run great
are going to come out of the combine,
feel a little bit different.
Caleb Johnson from Iowa's are really great player.
It was just a perfect fit for a zone scheme.
He just wants to put one foot in the ground
and just get great vision,
just hit the hole and go.
run a 4-5-7.
Not a great number for him.
So running back some wide receivers that missed that speed mark are always going to be impacted in a negative way, unfortunately.
We just, you just don't see many four-five or faster, excuse me,
four-five or slower wide receivers going round one.
If you're closer to 4-6th than 4-5, it might mean that Caleb Johnson goes 60th as opposed to,
I thought, maybe 35th at one point during the process.
I feel like everybody would be better off.
maybe you disagree with this
everyone would be better off
if nobody worked out at the combine
and you just used
film that you had
from the players on the field
and what you did at the combine
you did your interviews
you got to meet with the players one on one
you got to know them personally
you got to get a sense of who they are
you got to see how they perform
in front of the media
I think the combine
creates such recency bias
that it screws up the metrics
and the measurements and the feelings
for all the people who have been doing the work
all season long and changes the calculus on this stuff,
I think it's a terrible way to try to manage the draft
because you go into it thinking,
oh my God, I just saw a superhero.
Jalen Milrow, judge him on what you saw.
We've got so much film on Jalen Milrow.
If you need the combine and Jalen Milro
to run a 43540 to decide,
oh my God, we have to get this guy
and then you get him into camp and realize, wait a second,
he's not an accurate passer.
He's just a really dynamic athlete.
Shame on you.
Not you feel, but on the scouts.
So I'll take it one step further.
We're in the same vicinity here,
but a little bit different.
I've wondered why we don't have the draft
five days after the national championship game.
Right?
And you think, I wonder if like,
and I hope this does not come across
as piling on because I was incredibly optimistic,
like in a detrimental manner on Anthony's,
Richardson for fantasy football purposes last year.
Does that guy go forth overall if the combine is, excuse me, if the draft is done on
January 20th as opposed to April 20th, you have three months to think and overthink stuff,
you know, and I'm sitting here thinking to myself, okay, yeah, I mean, it is impressive that
some of these guys, Shemar Stewart, Anthony Richardson, can run as fast as they can at that
size.
But if every coach and GM says the starting point of the evaluation is the tape, maybe it'll be
different. And, you know, is it a shorter window to evaluate? I mean, yes, for the first time,
but it won't be for every year after that, right? It just means that your scout start up on the
2026 draft on January 30th of 2025 as opposed to April 30th of 2025. So it is an interesting
debate. And I do wonder about how the combine will look in future years because of the number
of players that are opting out.
And I mean opting out of the testing, of course, because they all still showed up.
But last year, I mean, Marvin Harrison Jr. showed up.
Did interviews measured, I think just left.
Jada and Daniels and Malik neighbors didn't even take measurements.
And those guys had two of the greatest rookie seasons we've ever seen.
So it's sort of like if those guys are going to be completely unbothered by their
participation or lack they're up at the combine, what is the point of it?
It's a fascinating debate.
I like the combine still because of the intel gathering,
and I do enjoy seeing some of these kids who are more like day three players
who can reaffirm or boost their stock.
That being said, it's a very different event when you're sitting there
and each position group that comes by, you're like, okay,
so my top wide receiver, no sign of him, top quarterbacks, no sign of them.
It just hits a little bit differently.
There's no two ways around it.
Yeah, when I talk to coaches, Chad, the combine, honestly,
it's mental warfare.
It's not really about all in the field.
It's about making these kids uncomfortable,
asking them crazy questions,
honestly talking shit to them.
A lot of these drills you see on TV,
sometimes they're at 10 o'clock at night.
It's just messing with these kids' heads.
And it always cracks me up,
but it's the great part of that movie draft day.
Did they go to the kid's birthday party?
Like,
that's what this three months is about
all the stupid shit willing to think about.
It's them trying to figure out
who this person is as a man.
How are they mentally and what will they be coming out of it?
So I'm with you, Chad.
I get like the combine can be a little bit much with times,
but overall I love the idea of it of they're just trying to poke and prong these guys
and really figure stuff out what kind of man they are because it is so mental.
And, you know, a guy we heard a ton about Chad that might have not done the best
at the combine is Sanders, right?
I mean, this is a quarterback position.
He's polarizing a lot of front offices.
What's your view on that field?
It's like, what are you hearing about him right now where I'm of the mindset of teams that love them are going to absolutely talk shit about him and bash him to the media right now because that is the game of the draft, right?
They're going to say they don't like the way he spoke, that he's arrogant, that he's too cocky.
They probably love that behind closed doors.
They're just like thinking, I don't be trading up to number one or number two to get this kid.
So what are you hearing about him right now?
Yeah, I take a lot of that stuff with a grain of salt.
What's reported.
And I'm not talking about the people.
I'm just talking about, like the people that are reporting, I'm just saying like the content because of what you're describing Simon is that like there might be some motivation, right?
There might be motivation to get this guy to fall, you know, like, because it's a completely unpredictable event.
And you're at the mercy of others if you want to shift your draft order, right?
If you want to go from six to four and you're the Raiders, you got to convince the Patriots to do a trade.
You can't just say, hey, we'll flip-flop, right?
So I have not had a conversation with somebody who has spent time with Shadourne explicitly
has said to me something that has negatively impacted my evaluation of him.
I like Shadoor as a player.
I'm not as bullish on either of the quarterbacks at the top as I was the first three last
year, which I think is in line with where most people wind up.
I, and that is nothing to do with them as humans.
It actually has, it's just from a pure football, from a football, talent evaluation,
standpoint. So Cam Ward, my top 32 will drop tomorrow on ESPN, sometime soon, if not tomorrow, it's very soon. And Cam Ward is, I'm sorry, I should know it's better, six or seven, and Chador is 17th. So, and last year, I mean, those guys at the top, from the day the draft order was said, I said, let's just move on to pick four, because in some order it's going to be Caleb, Jaden, Drake, you decide which order it actually is. More of the question was, would it be Jaden or Drake at pick number two? So anyways,
I think those guys both go, I think Cam Ward's going first overall.
I just think that's where we've landed.
I don't know to who, but it's to somebody.
And the Titans have found themselves in a pretty good position, actually.
Because I do believe, and again, there's no such thing as a unanimous sentiment in the NFL.
But I spoke to significantly more people that if they had the option to choose between Cam Ward or Sudor Sanders, would prefer Ward to Sanders while still liking Sanders.
It's not like, hey, I like Cam and Shador does nothing.
me. It's just if you're giving me the option, one or the other, it's a binary decision here.
I'm taking Kim Ward. And I also think that because teams with their quarterback preferences,
in some cases, it is like you like one guy and you don't like the other. It's like house hunting,
right? You might see two houses for homes for similar value. You really like one, but the other
lacks three features that you really feel are must and you're not going to have any interest in it.
So I think the Titans, whether they want to take Cam Ward or whether they find a team that prefers Cam Ward enough that they would move ahead of Cleveland, who of course has number two, they can get a pretty decent trade package here.
But it wouldn't surprise me if the first three picks in the draft are two quarterbacks and then one of Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter, which means despite the Patriots winning in week 18 and pushing them down to one to four, they may well end up with one of, to me, the two best players in the draft.
I still view Abdul Carter, well, Travis Hunter first and then Abdul Carter second.
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Field, I want to switch quickly to fantasy for a second.
dynasty draft.
Yeah.
The NFL draft is a great time to start thinking about dynasty draft.
If you were drafting number one on a dynasty draft right now, who do you take?
I think I know exactly who should go.
Okay.
I'm curious Simon's take.
I want your take.
Rookie only, or is this just, or is this in general?
Like, hey, start from scratch.
I would say, I think it's both.
Like, start from scratch and then rookie only.
Okay.
So if I'm starting from scratch, it's Jamar Chase.
I'm going to lean wide receiver just in general.
They're just a much longer shelf life.
And while Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase is a healthy debate, he's one year younger,
more quarterback certainty there, right?
Not that Sam Darnold showed last year that they know what they're doing in terms of quarterback
evaluation and development.
So JJ could be great, but Joe Burrow is a, you know, an NFL MVP or candidate to be an NFL MVP.
So that duo should go nowhere for a long time.
Rookie Dynasty, it's Ashton Genty and it's not close, especially because
maybe I'll be surprised.
But it just feels like he's going to end up in a spot where, like, if he goes to Vegas,
I might adjust my sentiment a little bit.
And like, Omari and Hampton went to Denver.
They had the number one run block win rate offensive line last year, and they need a guy.
I might flip that.
But without knowing where they're going to land, it's Ashton Denti, who I think is truly
in a class of his own in this historic running back class.
Like, this guy is not good.
But he's not great. He is super elite.
That's interesting.
Simon. Simon, do you have thoughts on that?
You're a draft guy. You're a dynasty draft guy.
Yeah, it's, again, I mean, Fields doing it the nicest way to you, Chad, where it's like,
you need so much info nowadays on your league in the settings that it's really hard to say
what you should do in your rookie draft.
Like in my league, last year I had the fifth pick in this nice league I've had with my
buddies for 15 years.
And I luckily worked my magic.
it got Jane Daniels because I just kept talking about everyone else.
I go, you're going to pass on Harrison, all-time receiver, neighbors, all-time my receiver,
and Jane Daniels felt to me and it's in a 2-QB league.
And now I might have a top five guy for the next 10, 15 years.
So my view of it is I probably would go what he talked about.
And if we're doing overall, right, Chase, Jefferson, always go receiver.
Receiver is by far the safest spot, right?
In the Dynasty League, you would someone that's going to play for a long time and their injury
risk is mitigated. And, you know, on the flip side, looking at this draft and just this
upcoming season, I would just love, this is a personal question that's not, not a dude,
it's not going to help anyone else. Brian Thompson, Jr., where do you put him on this level
by receivers? Because I got him as a steal in my dynasty league. I love him. I feel like it
doesn't matter who his quarterback's going to be. This kid's talent is just out of this room.
We saw it last year. Mack Jones came in. Still, this guy was putting up insane numbers.
What's your view on him?
Is he already a top five receiver in fantasy football?
Or is he more top 10 back in top 10?
I mean, I think he's got a chance to be in that top five.
And I actually think my favorite calls in fantasy are not,
I mean, I would have loved to have been all over Pukunakua last year
going into his rookie season and been like,
I think the guy's got top 10 upside and then have him be whatever it was,
wide receiver four or something.
But I actually think the calls that are, to me,
more satisfying are the ones where it's,
there's a guy who's really good already.
We know that, right?
But when you build your list from scratch,
he doesn't quite crack the S tier.
Right.
He's the really awesome player,
but not quite in that same cut.
Because those are the more likely jumps, right?
That's much more likely than some fifth round
wide receiver becoming a top five play again this season.
So I admit that this time of the year,
I focus much more of my draft rankings than my fantasy rankings.
But I would imagine off the cuff that the first three receivers and some first four receivers in some order are going to be Jamar Chase,
Justin Jefferson, C.D. Lamb, and Amman Ross St. Pram.
And then I would say that fifth is open between Puka, probably Pook would be five.
Then it would be some sort of combination of Brian Thomas Jr.
I probably AJ Brown will be in that conversation.
I mean, that's the kind of tier that we're talking about.
Like it's AJ Brown, Brian Thomas Jr.
I'm sure I'm forgetting.
Malik neighbors, of course, like a few others in that same category.
But BTJ is awesome.
And, you know, he really did show that quarterback agnostic value that I'm not saying it's the fault of receivers when they can't overcome poor quarterback play.
But man, is it a comforting feeling when you see them.
ball with, you know, substandard
at best quarterback play for much of the year.
Football is the fucking best.
Amen.
I'm going to say it better myself.
Oh my God.
I just love it.
Like, thinking about Brian Thomas and the plays he was making last year,
he was a miracle.
He really was.
And I mean, the only good thing about that offense
once Trevor Lawrence went down was Brian Thomas.
I mean, they were a mess across the board, basically.
And, you know, that's a team that has some optimist.
right now. They got to nail this draft, but the only thing I can count on for Jacksonville
going forward is Brian Thomas Jr. is the man. And give some love to our guy Chris Raybon,
who loved him last year and gave out another guy I want to talk about Buck Irving.
You know, are we in a new age here, field of running back where I was someone who's made a lot
of money doing season long best ball leagues where I would take a running back around one or two
and then not take another running back until round 12 or 13, right?
I kind of like it.
You basically fade running backs, take the backups, guys always get hurt.
Last year, no one got hurt.
All the studs played out, and their value shifted tremendously where are we in a year
now where we're going to have five, six guys running backs in the first round once again,
like it's 2008?
Like, what's about that happened, field?
We are.
And by the way, before people get mad, yes, we know Christian McCaffrey missed all of last year,
basically, right?
So other than him, though, when you think about the top talk, Sequin, and Derek Henry,
and Jemir Gibbs and James Connor and on, on, on and on.
the guys who were like in the top 10 by the end of the season.
They played all year.
I'm missing others, of course, but you get the point.
I think so.
I really do think so.
Like I think that people are going to say you just have to have them because they show.
We talked about recency bias earlier in the idea of the combine and how it influences draft stock.
But yes, I believe we're going to see a very running back heavy start next year,
especially because one factor we probably don't have in play next year is like Travis Kelsey being.
like a top five pick, right?
It's going to be Brock Bowers, but a little bit lower than that.
And you might make the case that, like, there is, after Brock, there are more quality
options.
You know, Kittle was right there as well on a points per game basis.
But there just have been more, we'll see probably more quarterback fades this year, too.
Like, Lamar was great last year.
Josh Allen was great.
Jaden Daniels was great.
Jailen Hertz was great.
But you may say to yourself, like, we don't have the one supernova that quarterback that
you have to draft him early.
and that's the edge you gain.
I think the edge you're going to gain in people's minds going into the season is you either
have running back depth or you don't.
And next thing you know, it's week two of the playoffs and you're starting the Cardinals
third string running back, even though James Connor is still healthy.
That's where I think things are going to land this year.
This is the greatest football conversation I've had in a month.
It's yesterday?
Oh.
Since you're with your son.
Since I was talking to my son at dinner last night.
Yeah.
This is great.
I'll see at a West Hartford Pizza establishment later on to do it again.
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Hey, guys, it's us.
The Jonas Brothers, I'm Joe.
I'm Kevin.
And I'm Nick, and guess what?
We created our own podcast called,
Hey, Jonas.
We invented a podcast?
Well, we didn't invent it.
We just contributed to it.
We get to ask other people to do podcasts.
We get to ask other people questions
because we're sick and tired of being at.
Ask questions.
Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick.
Tired and sick.
Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Just listen.
We don't care where you hear it.
Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.
Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.
Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.
This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an
a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement
homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the
I-heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are
relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades.
Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches,
the toughest players, and the moments that to live.
find Roland Garris.
She's an outsider to win the French fame.
And she likes Clay.
Listen, Lennarabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now
and I actually can win on any surface.
Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the Iheart Radio app.
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.
Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.
It's the enhanced games.
Some call it grotesque.
others say it's unleashing human potential.
Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,
embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.
Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
