The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd Full Show for Aug 21, 2019

Episode Date: August 21, 2019

Colin says he understands why Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is upset with Ezekiel Elliot, his thoughts on Antonio Browns finally at practice, why he feels Baker Mayfield is too old to be making certain mistakes, and why Cam Newton is just an average QB. Guests include Doug Gottlieb, Michael Rapaport, Steve Palazzolo, and LaVar Arrington.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah, here we go on Wednesday. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. We are live in Los Angeles on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. You can just feel real football, getting closer, college football this weekend. NFL, this is week three, so you'll have teams starters playing the entire first half. Joy Taylor is joining me. I can feel it today. I can feel it. It feels like we're getting, we're inching closer to coming, bursting through the gates, onto the field for real football.

Oh, no, we're here. Because week three is really when you get to see, right, mostly what you'll start to see the first week of the season. Yeah. I was seeing a story yesterday where Adam Gates of the Jet said our guy should expect to play at least one series in the third quarter. So here we are. So Jerry Jones, let's start with this. Jerry Jones is very shrewd and is very calcare. You know, through the years, Jerry's reputation is a lot of ego and he's got plenty of it and a lot of vanity. But when you can sit in a room with 31 other billionaires and they listen to your advice, you're pretty smart. The NFL owners listen to two guys, Bob Kraft of the Patriots, and a lot of that is because they win the most.

And then Jerry Jones are the Cowboys who doesn't win that much. And they listen to him. Jerry's very shrewd. he's a high risk taker. He is very calculated. And he's got a ton of leverage. So yesterday, what did Jerry Jones do? Because he wants to sign Zeke, Ezekiel Elliott.

And he has been going public with his son, Stephen Joach's tag team partnering now for three weeks. So yesterday, what does he do? He signs a player to a big contract. But not any player. Jalen Smith. One of the more likable players. Quiet. has a great story,

overcame an injury, never misses a practice. Jerry could have signed any of his players to a long-term deal, but instead he chose the one player who grew up as a cowboy fan, the one player who almost had his football career end, the best story of the Dallas Cowboys,

the most beloved player, his defensive signal caller. Didn't have to. Contract wasn't up. That was a message. And then after he signed him and praised him for being the hardest worker, the best story, an amazing person, always supportive, wants to be a cowboy. Could have done that with any player. He could have signed Zeke yesterday, Dak, Amari.

He could have any player. He picked Jalen Smith. And then did you notice what he said about available money now available? There is less pie left, make no vote. about it. You have as many high quality young players as we have. You have to allocate your resources wisely to keep and have all of those players. You have to do that. That's called team building. And I will assure you that this was about team. Boy, if you, you don't even have to reach for that stuff.

Many good players. Team building. Not about the individual. There was another bite Jerry had yesterday and there was some animus. Jerry was angry. And as shrewd and as calculated as Jerry is, he's human. And he got angry when asked about the joke poking Zeke in the ribs about, you know, who's Zeke?

Zeke was offended. Here's what Jerry said to that. Look, I've earned the right with Zake to joke. Period. I've earned it. Have you guys any conversations at all? No. No.

Let me be real clear about it. I've earned that right to joke. Okay. Why would Jerry be angry? Oh, I don't know because Jerry tried to get the NFL commissioner fired for not defending Zeeke. So Jerry Jones drafts Zeke. Zeke gets in trouble immediately.

Jerry goes to the wall for him. The fans bail on him. Media people like me bail on him. The NFL bails on him. The commissioner bails on him. And Jerry goes to the wall for him. And you pay him back going to Mexico and two years out, holding out.

And you don't think Jerry Jerry's justified with a little bit of his anger? A little bit? I mean, if I defended you, your mom wouldn't, your dad wouldn't, your job wouldn't, your boss wouldn't, your industry wouldn't, and I defended you. And I tried to get your boss fired. Don't you owe me a solid? Just a little solid? I don't always take the owner's side.

But in this instance, Jerry defended Zeke to the core and make no bones about this. Jerry has all the leverage. Jerry just doesn't have to pay Zeke for two years. And then he can franchise it. Zeke's career could be over. He doesn't have to pay him. Doesn't have to pay him. You can say, well, the Cowboys won't win.

Well, what are they winning with him? Well, Jerry wants a Super Bowl. Well, hell, he's wanted one for 20 years. It's not like Zeke was giving him something. that he hadn't had. Jerry's already won multiple Super Bowls. Jerry's already a billionaire. Jerry's already winning divisions.

Jerry's already losing playoff games. What would Zeke furnish him that he doesn't have? Yes, it is now personal, so personal that Jerry got on the phone a year early with Jalen Smith, a linebacker's agent, and took care of him. Jalen Smith should send Zeke a thank you note because that's who got him paid. Yes, Jerry's angry. You would be angry too if you went to the wall for somebody who got in trouble with the law

and they paid you back with a holdout. You wouldn't like it either. Let's shift to the Raiders. Antonio Brown practiced in a certified helmet. He is officially back. You know how you like? We all have qualities we like in people. And we all have qualities, you know, that we don't like in people.

And it depends on your childhood and your personality and your DNA and your temperament. I've always tried to be honest about this. I don't like needy people. I've gotten rid of needy friends. I've never married anybody that's needy. I don't like needy bosses. I take great pride in being self-reaching. reliant. You could ask my agent. He always jokes. We never talk. You could ask my bosses. You

give me this show. You don't have to show up for four years until my contracts out. We'll talk about a new one. My bosses don't hover around me. My agent doesn't hover around me. I take incredible pride in being a grown-up, in being a man. I think it's very male. You don't have to babysit me. You don't have to pander me. I don't even mommy and daddy around all the time. When you're a football coach, at the college level, you do deal with 16, 17, and 18-year-olds. And so there's a lot of love. You've got to send them to love in recruiting. You've got to go to mom's house and you've got to eat the dinner

and the 13th apple pie on that recruiting trip. But once you become an NFL coach, most coaches, because by the way, college and pro both pay a lot of money. The reason a lot of guys don't want to coach in college, they don't want to have to constantly babysit. They don't want to deal with kids. They want to deal with men. They just want to deal with football.

So how frustrating would it be to have a 31-year-old veteran NFL star and have to constantly pander to him? If I was John Gruden, I would be embarrassed. I'd be worn out. There was something on HBO's hard knocks. You know, he's having to constantly gas up, Antonio. Tell him how great he is. Again, he's not a 17-year-old wide receiver from middle of

Texas, who you're trying to recruit to come to Purdue, and 10 other schools are offering your scholarships, maybe 20. I get showing the love. Age, the sport. But God, by the time you get to the NFL and you're a nine-year veteran, do you have to pander then? Here's John Gruden, pandering during A.B.'s holdout. I know you got a lot of people in your ear, because you're like a corporation that's

gone global. But at the end of the day, let's keep this shit. Let's keep the shit open. You know what I mean? Football comes first. Absolutely. Everything else is way behind it. You know what I'm saying?

Absolutely. Because you, you handle all that. Seamlessly, beautiful. Seamlessly, I like that way. I was trying to come up with a multi-sular word. That's a great word. Seamously. Yeah.

Three-syllable. I would look that up. They don't have those at Dayton and Central Michigan. It's just pandering. It's a nethering. Nine-year veteran. Greg Popovich always says, we don't draft you until you got over yourself. New England does the same thing. You got to get over yourself. We don't want to have to be your therapist, your mother, your father. We want men who work hard, want to win. Are we guys, not me guys? Listen, Antonio Brown's incredibly talented.

And if he was a 17-year-old recruit or a first or second year guy, I get it. I mean, we all mature differently. some evolve more slowly. I get it. You see the world differently, politically, professionally, personally as we age. But I think it would be really frustrating to have a nine-year NFL veteran. I couldn't trust with his feet. I couldn't trust with the equipment. I got to constantly put my arm around and pander to him. It's like babysitting. And I can just tell you, I take great pride and you don't have to kiss my arse all day. I don't have to talk to my agent all day. I don't have to talk to my boss. all day. Give me a show. Give me a mic. Get out of the way. I like people like that. I like men. You ever see that show? Bear Grills, go out in the wilderness, and he's got a hunting knife, and he literally lives for 27 days. That's so male. That's so, I love that quality. I'm just

going to survive out here. They do TV shows on that. They do TV series on that. Jason Bourne. John Wick, we do series on guys who can just handle crisis. Antonio Brown, he's a great player. He would wear me out. By the way, here's Gruden after practice yesterday, confirming A.B. is here now. He's all in, ready to go. That's my understanding. And I'm really happy to have him out here.

He's a great player. It's not been a distraction to me at all. And this grievance thing is no laughing matter. It's something that's really important to him. And there's nothing wrong with supporting your players. on things that they believe it. We also understand the league's position, but I'm confident that he's going to be a heck of a player for us

and be ready to roll. He's a TV star, man. You've got to smile on even when he's delivered a gruff message. So here we go. A, B, is back for the Raiders. He is, by the way, a great player. That I'll never deny. Doug Gottlie, Michael Rappaport, LeVar Arrington,

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Listen to the Clippers show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you at your podcast. So age matters, especially with kids. My son had a stage where he went through a biting and licking stage. He was four. If my son went through a biting licking stage at 27, I'd be concerned. He was four. If my daughter had smoked pot at six years old, we'd have a real problem.

But if she's in college at 19 and somebody told me they saw her smoke pot, I'd be like, well, she's at college. I did that once. You know, just once, too. Age matters. I've also seen my kids of which I have six in my life make big leaps in maturity from 17 to 20, from 19 to 21. Now, if you're 47 years old, it's rare that there's a big gap between a 47-year-old and a 51-year-old. But when you're like 21 and 23 and a half, you can have real jumps in maturity, right?

because you haven't experienced that much in life. Baker Mayfield has been stepping in it for the last couple of weeks. He called out a teammate Duke Johnson, got confronted by his teammates. He made a comment to GQ magazine yesterday, then reeled back and said, I didn't say that clickbait. Oh, boy. Here's what concerns me. Baker Mayfield's 24.

He was the oldest of all the first round quarterbacks. He's playing in a market Cleveland, which is begging for him to, win. Those people in Cleveland do not want to talk about a 4-12 football team for the 20th straight year. Do you realize that Patrick Mahomes is younger than Baker Mayfield? Got to within a throw of the Super Bowl was the league MVP and acts with utter maturity. Deshawn Watson is, believe it or not, younger than Baker. Mayfield. And yet he won his division. Not a peep. Jared Goff got to the Super Bowl. Same age as Baker Mayfield. Total class in the entertainment capital of America, never disruptive,

never stepping in it. Baker Mayfield, older than Mahomes, older than Deshaun Watson, same age as Jared Goff in small Cleveland, keeps stepping in it. Listen, Sam Darnold was the youngest week-one starter since the NFL and the AFL merged. He's playing in the United States Sports Media, Media Capital of America, New York. He's a kid. Hell, he played some linebacker in high school. If Sam Darnold came into this league as the youngest, 21-year-old quarterback, going to New York and stepped in it once, you'd be like, he's a kid. Baker's older than Patrick Mahomes, older than Deshaun Wals.

Watson, same age as Jared Goff. They've all had much more success than Baker. They're in bigger cities or they're bigger stars. And he keeps stepping in it. Yes. And the funny thing is about Baker is his game when he came in had some polish compared to Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. I thought his game had the most polish.

It was the most refined. He was closer to his ceiling. He had great college coaches. He had a ton of starts. He had transferred. He'd had a real struggle. I thought his game had a certain maturity to it as a rookie. But the off-field stuff, I mean, come on.

You got to step in it again? And by the way, young quarterbacks, just like young kids, sometimes make mistakes and they need guidance. Patrick Mahomes has legendary Andy Reid. Okay? Jared Goff has the best young coach in football, Sean McVeigh. Deshawn Watson has Bill O'Brien. Lamar Jackson has a Super Bowl coach in John Harbaugh.

Baker-Mainfield has who? Freddie Kitchens? Who's never been hired by a team as a coordinator? Who's his guidance? Listen, if all these young quarterbacks in the NFL through a Christmas party, and I said one of them ends up in the closet passed out, who would you guess it would be?

The old one. Isn't that kind of a problem? Now, Freddie Kitchens is still contending. Baker's very, very young here. If I ever feel like that, I'll address it at that point. But Baker and I have a good relationship. I think Baker knows exactly what he's doing. You guys aren't giving him enough credit from the standpoint of he's just been,

he's 24 years old, okay? He's very mature, but again, he's still 24 years old. He's going to have things he learns along the way. football and life and everything else. I don't think it matters. At the end of the day, I don't think it matters. Somebody said something about the bull's eye. He said something about the bullseye.

What does that matter? Do we not have a bullseye on us just because we're in the NFL and we're playing on Sundays? All right. Again, he's older than Patrick Mal Holmes, older than Deshawn Watson. They've had more success. And I think they have a certain maturity that is redeemable and commendable. This is not anti-Baker. I'm not the one saying things about Daniel Jones.

I'm not the one calling out Duke Johnson. I am just simply a messenger here. But I think age matters. And you can tell a lot about age. And at 24, I'd expect more. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Well, let's stick with those comments from Baker to GQ. Pat Schumer had to stand up for his potential franchise quarterback Daniel Jones. And he did just that when he was asked about the comments in Baker's criticism of Jones and Odell's criticism. criticism of the giants. Yeah, I saw that too. That's not original commentary, is it? Quite frankly, on our list of issues of the day, it really doesn't matter what Odell or Baker said. There's many other things that we should probably be discussing. He's in a long line of people that criticized

that move. So that's his business. The one thing about Dan is don't confuse calm and composed for a guy that's competitive and a winner. What that means, actually. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a big fan of me. I don't like Shermer in front of a microphone. I didn't like Ben McAdoo in front of a microphone. I don't like Shermer in front of a microphone.

He comes across to me as weak. Like, remember the other day? It's like, well, my owner likes Eli, and I'm honest, too. I don't like Shermer in near a microphone. Well, unfortunately, the New York Giants microphone, and coach microphone is probably the most scrutinized and intense. that you're going to get in the entire league being that it's New York.

And we know how New York media is intense. So I like to give him a little bit of wiggle room there. And it's unfortunate that he has to defend Daniel Jones in the spot also. But, I mean, he's totally right. They have bigger fish to fry than what a hotel and Baker are saying about the Giants in their pick. And he's also right. A lot of people were critical of it.

The issue, again, with Baker is why? Like, where's the why in saying that? And I want to be sympathetic to the fact that maybe he didn't mean for it to be a jab at Daniel Jones. But you just have to be aware, like you were just discussing his age and maturity. If you're in the room with a reporter and you're on the record, what you say is what you say. And when your reputation is what it is, we're entitled to absorb what you say based off of your reputation. If you're a guy that speaks his mind and you're brown.

and you just keep it real and then you say something and we're like, okay, we're going to take that at face value. We're not going to say, oh, well, Baker said something about Daniel Jones, but maybe you didn't mean it that way. You don't get to have it both ways. And that's kind of what I think the lesson in this is. I mean, we're the media, right?

We know what we are. We're annoying, like, we get it. But it is what it is. You weren't forced to do that interview. Right. And I don't think he was misrepresented. Maybe he didn't mean for it to come across the way that it did. and he realized, oh, I am taking a jab at a rookie quarterback who's already getting crushed by everyone for the position that he's in.

And, you know, I kind of look. I also think, I heard a lot of this yesterday. Well, we all criticize the move. There is something. No, that's not fair. Yeah. Like, within the industry, you've got to be very critical. You have to be careful about criticizing people within your sphere.

Like, if Brady or Aaron Rogers rip Daniel Jones, it would not sound good coming from legends. Like, I can't rip radio guys, but I can rip an athlete and everybody, the audience. understands, that's what I'm paid to do. But that's what you're paid to do. Exactly. If we did a media show where that was our job to achieve other media members. Right. And so when you're doing it within your own industry, you set kind of a standard of,

okay, like you're opening yourself up to a whole different world of criticism. And this idea that we're just like picking on Baker. I don't think anybody's picking on Baker. I think we're giving them a lot of free press. I don't think anybody's picking on Baker. No. So speaking of being critical of other people in. your industry. Tom Brady is the goat and in the words of Jerry Jones make no bones about it.

He's won more Super Bowls than any player in NFL history, but that apparently doesn't make him the best quarterback of all time because Philip Rivers went on the Dan Patrick's show and said the Brady goat debate isn't an open and shut case. I remember thinking when the Patriots beat the Seahawks, when the Seahawks, when they had the interception against the Seahawks down there on fourth and won, and that gave them what their fifth championship, right? Brady's fifth, I think. You know, everybody said, well, he's now the greatest of all time. And I thought to myself, I always thought he was already one of the greatest all the time, but because they intercepted the past, now the greatest of all time, what if the

Seahawks were to ran and in? And the Seahawks were to won Brady just played the exact same game. He didn't do anything different, you know, but it is funny how that works. So I don't look at that. That's why I always think the burritos right there in the mix, too. If, by the way, that ball was not intercepted and Brady lost, he would be five and four in Super Bowls instead of six and three. He would still be the goat. Like that, that play doesn't define anything with Tom. Like, of the things that define Tom, what defines Tom is he's gotten to the AFC Championship,

he has a dinner reservation every year in this decade. Like, they don't even, we don't even discuss the, we don't know who New England will play in the ASE championship game, yes. We think Kansas City, but they'll be in it. That's what Tom's about, not a play in the Super Bowl. The ability to have three times the length of Bill Walsh and Joe Montana's, dynasty. It's the length of it that's as amazing as the results in it. Basically what he's saying is nobody can be defined in the NFL by individual

performances because I can't stand playing that well. If the kicker hadn't missed that kick and if so-and-so hadn't dropped the ball in the third quarter, he wouldn't be a Super Bowl winner. Like they won. They won. They won. And he was the quarterback. And whether he was great in that Super Bowl or he was average in that Super Bowl, they won the Super Bowl, and we know how hard that is to do. Think about this. You tend to think that circumstances have a lot to say with greatness. But if you'd have said LeBron James can go anywhere, but he ends up going to the Cleveland

Cavaliers and still becomes arguably the greatest player ever, he did not have a perfect path. Michael Jordan went to the Bulls. He had to get through two coaches before Phil Jackson. The Chicago Bulls, I'm old enough to remember, the Chicago Bulls defined average in the NBA my entire life. Michael Jordan had the deal with a broken leg and two coaches. The reality is if you're great, eventually you'll show enough where your owner will get

you the better coach, where people will get you the better. No great player of all time got a series of bad breaks. Great ends up popping and overwhelming and emerging and showing itself. I get it if he had two or three championships. But at this point, it's obnoxious. It's like, okay, he's done enough winning that it's so far and beyond everyone else. It's like, I love Dan Marino, right? Tom Brady won six Super Bowls.

That is incredible. And then you get into the conversation about Bill Belichick. By the way, I could make an argument. Dan Marino got the world's biggest break. He got Don Shula. Right. And he couldn't win Super Bowls. So that's part of it.

Like most of these great quarterbacks, their first coach got whacked. They didn't get the right coach. There's an outstanding list. of all-time great quarterbacks that are in a separate category from great quarterbacks. Yeah. And Tom Brady is the greatest of them all. And it pains me to say that as a Dolphins fan, believe me. But it's just the fact at this point.

And finally, Andrew Luck tried warming up on Saturday prior to the Colts preseason game against Cleveland. His ankle injury didn't seem to affect him as much as he went through footwork drills, but he is still not ready to practice fully with his team. And Frank Reich announced yesterday that Andrew Luck will not practice this week. Here is why. Yeah, it's always that combination of how much full speed, at what level, you know, it's on a continuum, right?

Continuum of speed and movements, right? There's a continuum of speed and movements and a continuum of pain. So it's those combinations. Continuum. Yeah, April. He hasn't really had two or three practices since April. Yes. That's not great.

It's very concerning, especially going into the third preseason game. Jacoby Brissette will lead first team offense. and Saturday's game against the Bears. And if he's not ready for week one, obviously Jacoby would be the starter. He has experiences the Colts starting quarterback. He started 15 games in 2017. So solid backup, but this is not what the Colts are looking to start. Yeah, Jacoby can win you games.

If Andrew Luck missed four games, Jacobi, with that offensive line, you could win two games. Well, that's the ideal situation that if he does have to start, he's only playing a few games. But the way that this injury is going, we really don't know. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Lye News. Doug Gautley, the Dugger after my show, Fox Sports Radio, host of the Doug Gottlieb show, FS1 College Basketball, Podcasts All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on iTunes. I was saying that you're a very self-reliant guy. You've been around the country. You've moved a bunch of times. I like self-reliant guys. I don't call my agent every day. I don't see my bosses every month.

I think I would struggle. One of the reasons I'd like to coach pro over comments. is I don't want to deal with 17-year-olds. I'm not a babysitter. I'm not a therapist. What would really bother me if I went to the pros, I would get the occasional high-maintenance rookie. But if you were a nine-year veteran, Doug Gottlieves my nine-year veteran-wide receiver, and I feel like I have to pander to you, it would bother me as a coach. So A-B.'s back, and I'm happy because I can't wait to watch him play. But there is a neediness that I think would be frustrating, right? Oh, I don't think there's any question. I think Mike Mayock and what he said on

Sunday kind of echo the frustrations. Hey, we got, you know, 89 guys that are ready to go. But you watch hard knocks and you watch how John Gruden handles him. I think he doesn't have any other choice. Colin, he's pot committed to Antonio Brown, right? He is absolutely positively pot committed to making this work. And this is the best way to get the best out of Antonio Brown for the longest period of time. Because, you know, what is it, a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down? It's not fun. This is not an enjoyable thing. I mean, he's, I'm sure,

exhausted over answering questions about this insane helmet thing, right? Like, I got it. You want you on a helmet? Fine. Wait, another deal with the helmet, but what choice does he have? He does.

He has to have him on the field. He put his own equity. This is his team. He's got the 10-year contract. Antonio Brown was hand-chosen to come over. They didn't have to give him an extension to this, and he did. So this is how he's chosen to handle it.

And I think there's a little good cop, bad cop there with Mayock. Yeah, no, I think Mayock's the bad cop. John's the good cop. John, making a point, there's nothing wrong with loving your players. It's a very college approach. It's not a Belichickian approach. It's a college approach to it. You know, let me take a break here. Yeah, I got about four things I got asked. I don't actually think it's a college approach, though. College's coaches don't, don't roll like that, right? They don't go like, oh, you have problems? It's okay. We all have problems. I actually think this is this is kind of a millennial approach more than anything. If you, if you listen to what he was

saying at the end of kind of the hard knocks thing where they're next to each other. We're like, you're like a CEO now. You're a major corporation. I know you got, I got problems. You got problems. He's trying to kind of relate there and not be the hardcore college coach that says like, no, dude, you got to be on the practice. You don't practice.

You don't play. You aren't in it. You're out. You're either hurt or you're injured. If you're hurt, get out there. If you're injured, go to the training room and we'll see when you're ready to go. I actually think this is John Gruden's desire to somehow relate to this generation superstars.

Yeah. Well, it's different. I mean, you know, the league as a whole, they don't practice as much. You don't hit as much. Players are now more empowered. There's more guaranteed money. I mean, I get that. Don't get me wrong.

But I still contend most. I saw a study yesterday that came out. Players do better with louder, tougher coaches. There was a study done of softer, louder. Players actually do better when coaches yell at them. And it's like, I think players want to be coached. I don't think they want to be babyed. I think they want to be pushed constantly.

I think they do as well. look again and Jimmy Johnson of course works NFL on Fox I mean his famous saying is I coach all the players the same differently right because they're all different people yeah and so some guys who you know if they have dad issues or authority issues you just you just can't come out them with you know full brunt force yeah you got to kind of earn that equity with them and then you know if you if you meet with them individually that's when you can be hard hard on them or you know there's the bellichick way which the what we know of belichick is he's hard on everybody, even Tom Brady. But I'm guessing there are also some private conversations he has with

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Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So it is interesting talking about, you know, Doug Gottlieb actually talked to Philip Rivers last year, and he made the same comments about Brady. I think he made it first on your show talking about, you know, how much is Brady the greatest ever? And we've all acknowledged that Belichick does help Brady. But Brady is eight-no against Philip. The only time Philip beat New England, Tom didn't play. Belichick was still coaching and their roster, the men.

Matt Castle year was loaded. Hold on. We're also, though, assuming that Philip Rivers is inserting himself into the I'm the greatest of all time next to it. That's not what he said. No, no, I agree. But there is this sense what he's saying is circumstances matter,

plays matter. My takeaway has always been. Kobe Bryant's rare. Magic's rare. Magic inherited the Lakers and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Larry Bird didn't inherit squat. I mean, LeBron didn't inherit squat. Dee Wade didn't inherit squat. D. Wade didn't inherit squat. No matter, if you go look at the greatest athletes, boxers, they overcame a ton.

I mean, Connor McGregor's story is just overcoming, is that circumstances matter, but Belichick could not win in Cleveland. No, no, I again, but I think you're missing a little bit of the point here. He's talking about, look, one play in Seattle where Tom Brady is not on the field, because what's lost in the interception, right, with the Seahawks where they probably should to hand of the ball to bar, Sean Lynch, is that Tom Brady had led the Patriots down the field to score a touchdown to give them the lead. So even if Seattle scores, Tom Brady still played awesome down the stretch. Conversely, you know, the Atlanta game. They're up 28 to 3. If Atlanta just takes a knee, kicks a field goal, it's 31 to 3. That's a wrap game over. Look, what's the best

Patriots team Tom Brady ever played on? Or what's the best team maybe in our lifetime? Well, I wouldn't say my lifetime, but the best team in the salary cap modern era was probably that Patriot team with Randy Moss, Tom, Wes Welker. Yeah, and they didn't win the championship, right? They're basically one play away from winning a championship. And so I think the crux of his argument is we can't always be result-oriented. I agree with that. Right. And so, like, the best Patriots team didn't win a Super Bowl.

And maybe the story that's not told enough about Tom Brady's. Last year may have been their weakest personnel team that did. Right. Okay. Or even the year before where they lose in the Super Bowl. I mean, think of the luck there with the catch rule, which was changed shortly after. Otherwise, Pittsburgh gets home field and New England doesn't get to that Super Bowl. Right.

But, you know, like, look, I think the untold story of this Patriots dynasty is probably going to be, one, the best team didn't win the Super Bowl. They were 18 and 0. Like, no one's gone 16 in 0 in the playoffs. By the way, not only did they go 16 in the playoffs, they had 14 blowouts. Yes. Like, they had Baltimore was close. 50 touchdown pass.

But what's lost is he didn't play the next year because he tore his ACL. So we were robbed of what could have been the true golden era of the Patriots, not just the first run. Remember, he went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl. So I think what he's getting to is in our lifetime, there used to be an argument, are we a Marino guy or were you a Montana guy? And the argument for the Montana was he won four Super Bowls, he never lost one. The argument for Marino was, yeah, but he was better.

And I think he's taking that argument to, okay, why can't Drew Breeze? Why can't Aaron Rogers? They both won a Super Bowl. They both put up ridiculous numbers. They just don't have the benefit of playing for Bill Belichick, playing in the AFC East, and playing for an organization that's as well run as the Patriots. We're making an argument about individuals based upon other issues that don't pertain to the individual. I agree. But to Joy's point, where I agree is I would, I think that's a fair argument, until you get to nine Super Bowls. And then it's such a tsunami of Don. Like, Michael Jordan's the best player.

But once Michael goes to six finals, wins them all, and is the MVP of all of them, that's so overwhelming. You're like, okay, Mike's the best player, I give up. This is what I did on your show after the Super Bowl last year. I've always, I've lived and I've said it, I thought Aaron Rogers is the best, I've ever seen play quarterback. Yeah. But there is something to a quarterback who finds a way to have one more point than the other team

more often than any other quarterback. I used to say Tom Brady was the most successful quarterback of all time. I'm okay calling him the greatest quarterback of all time because of, as Joy said, like at some point you're like, there's a reason that one dude's team always finds a way. And maybe he's not the sole reason. Maybe he's not the majority of the reason, but he's definitely a reason. And then you factor in all the other things that he's been able to accomplish. And I have no problem.

Changing my argument from Aaron Rogers being the greatest to Tom Brady being. So Baker Mayfield's older than Patrick Mahomes. he's older than Deshawn Watson, and he's the same age as Jared Goff. Goff's in L.A. Mahomes is MVP. Deshawn Watson won his division. I think my problem is, and you know this with kids,

age matters. They'll take big leaps from 16 to 19, from 8 to 11, from 4 to 7. My son had a biting licking stage. He was 4. Does that at 17? We need therapy. Okay?

Baker is the oldest. He's older than Mahomes. He's older than Watson. He's the same age as Goff. If he was 21 like Sam Darnel, youngest starter in league history in week one in New York and stepped on it once, you'd be like, okay, Sam's a kid.

At 24, shouldn't Baker step in it a little less? He is definitely feeling himself. It should be pointed out that there's a report. Pro football talk as a quote from him saying that he reached out called Daniel Jones and wanted to clear the air. I like that. And he said like that, it was, it came across,

it's out of character for how he wants to be perceived. Oh, that's good. And this was not a good. I've been a defender of Baker because everybody I know who's ever played with him loves playing with and for him. Yeah. Right. And I do think that if there's ever a place where this act works,

where the us against the world, me against the world, constantly finding enemies that didn't previously exist, the Cleveland Browns are in fact the place, right? This is the city that lost their football team to Baltimore, lost their greatest athlete ever, not once, but twice. Okay? Twice. LeBron James walked out the door and went somewhere else.

And they've lost more games in two seasons than any team in the history of the league. They won one game in two years. So he brought them hope. And of course, it's kind of a hard scrabble. Hey, you know, if a six-foot Baker Mayfield walk on at Tech and walk on it at Oklahoma can do it and have this sort of pro wrestler persona. It's a good story. It's a good story you can work here.

but like we're to the point where it's enough. Like it's not like let's let's get to playing football. Let's act like the position. And as you and I have learned, you can't call out people in your own craft. It just doesn't land well. No, no. I mean, look, it happened to Monday night football last year, right? Joe Testator took some shots last year.

And people are like, what are you? Like that is not what we do. Right. You worry about you and we champion all your successes. And everybody knows when microphones are off. Everybody hates everybody. You're like, man, how'd that guy get that gig? You should have Joy.

As Joy pointed out, there's a reporter in that room. You've been through this before. It's not like you just, it's not like you went to Mississippi Valley State and nobody was covering you. You're at Oklahoma. You're a Heisman trophy. You know what you're saying. You have to have better balance, better sense of self. This was not a strong level.

Well, and, you know, the thing about Baker is he on the field, he was more refined. He was more polished. I mean, I had an NFL GM, tell me. Baker was so much ahead of Sam Darnold on the whiteboard. Yes. Because one came from Clay Hilton staff, where the coordinator was fired. One came from Lincoln Riley staff. And a GM told me, listen, we love Darnold.

We still do. But Baker on the whiteboard, it wasn't just two years older than him literally. It felt like he was eight years old. Baker was so good on the whiteboard. Sam was not. Sam played hero ball at USC. Hike it. I'll make a play happen.

It should be pointing out Baker did a lot of that early at Oklahoma. And some of that went away. They also had some better talent around him. But, yes, he has had some of this, and he's matured on the field, some, in terms of trying to show people how strong his arm is, trying to show people, no, no, no, I am an athlete, I can escape, I can make plays on my own. There were some issues with that during early, the first time they're in the college football playoff. You go back and watch, and he was forcing balls in, and he looked bad. Yeah, no.

He looked bad. He's going to need that same type of maturation here in his career off the football fit. It's okay to generate because he feeds off of that. Yeah, no, I get it. Some got you, Michael Jordan tape stuff. People tape stuff on mirrors all the time at home. It's not 10 seconds. I love that he's created the narrative that somehow he's the underdog

when he was the Heisman trophy, win of the number one pick. That's funny. Doug Gottlieb, Hour 2 next. One more, Heard? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

Hour 2, here we go. is the herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. Michael Rappaport is going to be joining us today. He's all fired up about stuff, including Baker Mayfield. You know, I know everybody thinks I'm joy out to get Baker Mayfield, but I do kind of laugh when Aaron Rogers and Baker Mayfield come out and say things like, I can't believe this is a big deal. By the way, Aaron and Baker have both used click bait as an excuse and have also said, I can't believe this stuff's a big deal.

You guys are franchise quarterbacks. In America, you're the royal family. I mean, if you look at America, if you look at all the sports and all the politicians, the biggest office is president of the United States. After that, there's either a movie star, an NBA star, a musical star, or an NFL quarterback. That's like our hierarchy of stardom in America. to presidents number one. This president tends to make a lot of media coverage.

Some are more laid back. And then after that, you generally have like Leonardo DiCaprio, you know, Beyonce, LeBron, and then you get like into NFL quarterbacks of note. So whenever quarterbacks are like, I can't believe people make a big deal out of it, you're not a left guard in the CFL. Also, either you are a big deal or you're not. So which would you prefer? It comes with both sides of it.

If you do something great, you get praise. If you do something people disagree with, they discuss their disagreement with what you've done. That's how it works. You did a GQ article. Did you prefer we not even read it? Well, of course. Like, Baker is doing ads, and he's all over TV,

and he's saying stuff, and he's building his brand, which I'm okay with. It's not like someone recorded him saying this while he was enjoying a sandwich. Right. He agreed to an interview, did the interview, and then today, Baker addressing his comments, In GQ magazine, he did call Daniel Jones. This video is fresh.

You know, you can't trust anyone. So, I mean, it's taken out of context, but at the same time, that was back in April, which is why, you know, it's astonishing that's that big of a deal right now. That's the problem with today's day and age. You know, you don't read the whole thing. You don't put two and two together. You just kind of read scripts, and then people, you know, they combine sentences from different conversations. And so it seemed very disrespectful, and I can understand that.

But what people didn't realize is the conversation entailed of me saying that I was surprised I was drafted number one overall, too. I reached out to Daniel because all that blew out of, you know, way out of hand, and I wanted him to know how I felt. I don't care about a lot of opinions if you like me or not, but that looked like my character was, you know, way out of line. And so that's the only reason I addressed it. Yeah, there's no surprise to this. You have to be aware that, listen, we on this show get asked to do interviews all the time. I agreed to one so far this year, Armand Catan, the Athletic, Wall. Why? Because I trusted him. He's been on 60 minutes. He's a smart dude. You got to be careful about interviews. You got to know that. He's 24, but there's no surprise here. It's not wildly taken out of context. There's an actual quote. You know, this was recorded. Generally, the way it works, they put down and record what they say so they can't be sued. It's not liable. It's just what you said. I think it's cool that, you call Daniel Jones, but you do care what people say. That's why you go to social media and respond to what people say. So let's just be up.

front and honest about it. You do care what people say. You've responded to them a lot. You responded to this article because you didn't like the way it came across what you said. Just be authentic about it. You talk a lot. You make mistakes and it does bother you at times. That's okay. Nobody's

perfect here. But don't tell me clickbait, taking out of content, somebody else's fault. The way the public is they read scripts. I called him. It's April. I can't believe it. Just own it. Own it. I mean, for that matter, you would imagine

that people just reading headlines and not taking everything in full context that everyone on the show was against Baker the entire year. Like I said Baker should be starting from the beginning. That's not just the world we live in. By the way, do you know what he did? He did what Aaron Rogers does. He was

a victim. Baker Mayfield, listen to that. I'm a victim. A victim of the society, victim of how the media works. Can't trust anyone. Can't trust anybody. I'm a victim. No, Baker, you're not a victim. Aaron Rogers did this. Well, it's clicked by Aaron, you're worth $200 million.

Aaron Rogers, you're not a victim. Baker Mayfield, you're not a victim. Aaron, you have a reputation. You've had family members call you out. It is fair after multiple teammates and family members call you out for us to go, he may have a leadership issue. Aaron, you're not a victim. Baker, you've stepped in it like three times. You're not a victim of the media. You're not a victim of the press, a victim of Clay Skipper, a victim of GQ magazine. Stop with the victimhood. Sport isn't about that. The great thing about Aaron Rogers and Baker Mayfield,

the great thing about both of them is they've overcome stuff. Their paths have not been linear. Aaron had to go to a junior college. That's a great story. Aaron goes junior college. Cal drops in the first round of the draft and has to sit behind Brett Farr for three years. Aaron's really overcome. a lot. Aaron Roger's story is great. Junior College,

Butte Junior College, Cal, which was not a very good program, then he drops in the draft and has to sit behind a stubborn, wildly popular American iconic quarterback for three years and eat a dirt sandwich. And still Aaron's amazing. That's an amazing story. So Aaron, you're not a victim. Give yourself a pat in the back. You're a tough guy. You've overcome a lot, a lot of injuries, collarbone surgeries, but you're not a victim. Baker Mayfield, two-time walk-on, great story, had a police video, overcame it, did some stupid stuff. Like, both of you guys have great stories.

Both of your stories, are easy to put your arms around Aaron Rogers' story, easy to put your arms around Baker's story. You've overcome a lot. But at this point now, as starting quarterbacks and guys with net worse in eight to nine figures, neither one of you is a victim. Okay, neither one of you had a career-ending injury. You know, neither one of you got cut your first camp. So the Baker thing comes across like, oh, I mean, the media, they over there, guys, trust, clickbait.

Stop it. Just own your crap. It just kind of feels like he's implying he was taking advantage of it. Yes, and he's not. Now, he's had a hard road. His road to make. But that has nothing to do with saying something that you feel was taken out of context in an interview with a highly respected public.

that you agreed to. Right. Oh, by the way, pro football focus came out. I love pro football focus. Don't always agree with them on stuff. They rank every starting quarterback this upcoming season. The ranking uses data from previous years to project each quarterback's performance this year. The first thing that'll get headlines is Dak Prescott is 17th.

So, you know, it goes, Brady, Breeze, Mahomes are the only three that make their tier one. Aaron Rogers leads their tier two. then it's Luck, Wilson, Ryan, Big Ben, Philip, Baker makes top 10, then Wence, Deshawn, Gough, Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, DAC 17, Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek, Carr, Andy Dalton. I don't have, I mean, Baker's a little high for me, Deshawn Watson's a little low, Carson Wentz, a little low. You know, most of it, I agree mostly with it.

So I think the first thing people will look at is Dak Prescott is 17. You want to pay him $32 million. Well, I think once you get down to about nine, to about 16, it's inches not feet. I don't think there's a big gap. Kirk Cousins and Baker Mayfield at this point. And that's not a shot at Baker. I think Jared Goff to me is better than Baker.

They think Baker's slightly better than Goff. I think there's like four or five, six guys in this thing, Brady, Breeze, Mahomes, Rogers, Luck, Wilson that feel better than the rest of the league. And then after that, you can, you know, I like Matt Ryan, Ben Rivers, but I think there's like a six guys that are the best on the planet. and then I think it's, you know, Garoppolo, Derek, Carr, Dak, Cam. What's the gap?

I don't know what the gap is. Matt Stafford. You know, I like Deshawn Watson more than pro football focus. I like Baker Mayfield slightly less. I like golfing Deshawn Watson more than pro football focus does. That's just my takeaway. So the first takeaway is going to be DAC 17. The second takeaway I'd like to say is, once again,

Cam Newton is middle of the pack. Thank you. Somebody finally acknowledging that a guy with a 59% career completion percentage, which is pathetic. And an 86.4 quarterback rating, which is kind of pathetic, is middle of the pack. Thank you. That's all I've been saying for years.

I'm not a hater. He hasn't a back-to-back winning seasons. He's not very accurate. Stop blaming coordinators, O-line, tight-end, receiver. Stop it. Guys, been in the league now almost a decade. He's an average quarterback. He's about 16th in the league.

That's right where he is. They have Cam one slot ahead of Dak Prescott and one slot behind Matt Stafford. and that's exactly where he should be. And the third thing I would say is Patrick Mahalms is one slot ahead of Aaron Rogers. Aaron does not make the first tier. He makes the second tier. That to me is interesting because Patrick Mahal, for years and years, we said Brady's the winning quarterback.

Aaron's the talent. And we've done this through time. By the way, Joe Montana is the winning quarterback, but Marino's the talent, right? Troy Aikman's the winning quarterback, but, you know, Steve Young's running around. Steve Young's the talent. Brett Farb, you know, that's what we've always done. Brett Farb was the talent, but there's other people that had the wins. And we've always felt like Brady's got the wins, and Aaron's the guy for the last decade.

He's the talent. Pro football focus is saying, no, now Patrick Mahomes is the talent. The arm, the zip, the field, the athleticism, the movement, the mobility. I said it last year, I felt like for the first time in like eight, nine years, I said it last year, I feel like Mahomes is the guy with the magic. Not that Aaron Rogers has dropped off a cliff, but I do feel like there was a passing of the baton last year where if you told me there's going to be a quarterback make a throw on Sunday and you're not going to believe it. I would guess Mahomes. For eight years, I would have guessed Rogers.

And again, that's not to say Aaron's, I think Green Bay is going to win their division. I think Aaron's going to be in the MVP race. But I do feel like, and Pro Football Focus does, Mahomes has edged ahead of Aaron in the best talent guy. arm, feel, it, athletic, size, health. I think that's fair to say. Michael Rappaport, actor, director, comedian is a very hostile, perhaps, today. You know, he likes to, he gets worked up. He's very passionate.

Well, and he loves the New York Giants, so. Oh, boy. Do not like Pat Schumer in front of a microphone. By the way, seems like he'd be a great guy. He's not, I like my guy's strong. Like Mike Tom on his microphone. Boom, bang. Mike Tomlin at the microphone.

Don't mess with him. Pat Schumer, how are you guys doing? Just got back from summer camp. I like Eli, but who knows what happens? My owner said that I don't like him at a microphone. I like strong. Belichick in a microphone. I told you that.

I already told you that. I had a press release. That's what I said. I like strength at a mic. Nick Saban in a microphone. I got something to say today. Here's what I got to say. That's a tough microphone, though.

New York Giants. By the way, later today I will play. What's the name of that game we play? where I do the four press conferences. A presser cooker today. It's another episode of Presser Cooker where I will be Baker Mayfield. I will be Pat Shermer. I will be Drew Rosenhouse today.

I will be maybe Zeke's agent. That stuff today. All right. Summertime is here. But, but a couple weeks left. But you still have time to go to the beach. And if you have the beach, maybe that sun on your hair. Thinning hair doesn't look great.

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All right. So you're a New Yorker, and you love your New York teams. And I love that about you. So Odell Beckham yesterday had a quote. And I didn't believe this because I don't believe a general manager would ever take less to move a player. I don't think you'd let your – I mean, listen, if a team offers me more, so Odell Beckham said the Giants sent him to Cleveland to die, and there were better offers. What did you make of that?

Tell you something. We sent you to Cleveland with $41 million, the Godfather. It's business. It ain't personal. This is a business. O'Dell. And I want to tell you something. I argued with you,

you, Colin, last year on this show. Yeah. I said, let that Ferrari, let him tune it up. Room, room, room. Go out there. Let him cross the field and do his thing.

I've done this for years. I've stuck up with him when he had fights with pieces of equipment. When he's punched holes in walls, when he's been on boats before playoff games, I've stood in the pocket for O'Don. We all have. We put up as New York fans with more crap for. Odell Beckham, then we'll be except for most.

Now, by the way, New York Giants history, and you know this. Story franchise. Now, this is like Michigan football. You go into the stands, there's 70-year-olds there. This is a brick-and-mortar IBM. I went to a Giants game when I was in New York, and I was like, man, these are grown-ups. These are like Wall Street, old. These are grandparents go to these games.

And they tolerate it. And they don't like that flash. No, New York doesn't, one of the things it gets me, this isn't a sex. in the city. New York City, the majority of it are ham and agers. Yeah, there's elites there in Manhattan. But the New York City, especially in the boroughs, the people that go to the game. Staten Island,

Queens, Bronx, Brooklyn. Oh, yes. And so we put up with a lot of it. We put up with the magenta hair. We put up with the field goal, the dancing, the slides, the comments, all of it. You did this to yourself. And to say that we

sent them out there to die. Send them out there where? Cleveland's the hot spot. It's got all the cool kids. You guys all got the cool haircuts. Jarvis Landry. You got all the Supreme Exclusive Backpacks, and you're on the photo shoots and the Paris and the models and all that. Listen, I get that you miss us. Tuesday nights in Cleveland, oh no.

They ain't Tuesday nights in Manhattan. They're not. It's catching. And the season, and they ain't the winter. He's been out there. He hasn't been out there long. He hasn't even experienced a Tuesday night in Cleveland during the winter. Listen, his ex, when your ex is New York, it's a lot to live up to.

His ex is New York. 16 out of the last 32 games he's played in. This is a sport, high impact collision sport. I want them all to have the longest careers. The ones I like, the ones I don't like. You had nine touchdowns. You ain't Julio Jones. Julio Jones every year.

He's doing it. These guys in Cleveland, I don't know what their obsession is. I get it. I get it. You're in Cleveland. It's still Cleveland. But you're out there with your best friend, Jarvis Landry. You got a quarterback who's got a cool mustache and all this stuff.

Why are you worrying about us? We sent you out there with 41 million dollars. The misconception that a lot of these athletes are having, especially Odell, is they think because I have 15 million followers and I was on the shop with LeBron James and this actor told me he's a fan and this model DMs me. You think that has to do with being a great football player. None of it has to do with anything. I was the Cleveland Browns, and if I was an NFL owner, I would have Terrell Owens and

Chatt Ochsynco. I'd pay them to come talk to my team, say, you know what I'll do, O'Dall Beckham? I was better than you. You think this is going to last forever? It doesn't. It don't last forever. Chad Ocho Cinco, Terral Owens, these guys are the same thing. When the NFL is finished with you, an injury here and injury there?

By the way, the ratings don't go down. NBA, you have real leverage. You don't have a lot of leverage in the NFL. And even the NBA, we thought it was over when Bird and Magic. We thought it was over than Michael Jordan. When Tom Brady, when it's done, we're going to continue. The next Tom Brady, the next Odell, the next Walter Payne. You're not bigger than the league.

And these phones and getting DM'd by these pretty girls and these actors and these actresses, it's making these people go nuts. These young kids, they're young kids. I would send in Chad Ochosenko and Terrell Owens to talk to these guys. I was better than you. And they got rid of them, rid of me. People forget how good Chad Ocho Cinco was. Oh, God, he was great.

Now, crazy time, but great. Great. And he set the president for these young, these flamboyant wide receivers. And they said, okay, and they're not watching. They're not listening. They think it won't happen to them. And I wish them all the long careers. But you're doing it to your cell phone.

We put up with a lot from you. Yeah. I argued with you on this show. Yeah. A lot. A lot. Okay, so let's get down to it. Pat Schumer.

I do think there is something to be said. do you own the room? I'll give you an example. So years ago, I'm talking to an NFL general manager, and the guy I'm talking to is very respected. A lot of playoff wins, very respected. And he goes, I can always tell if a college coach is going to work.

Does he have a presence? So when I as a GM go into Clemson or Alabama or Michigan State or a college, if the coach doesn't have a presence about him, like if the coach walks by and I'm like, who's that? And you say, oh, it's a head coach. It never works. You have to have a presence.

Pat Shermer is so wishy-washy on this Daniel Jones-Ely stuff. I mean, I'm sorry, but Mike Tomlin, who I've been critical of, steps to a microphone, and you're like, I don't mess with him. I didn't do with Mike Tomlin. Pat Schumer feels like he's in trouble here. Like he wants to play Daniel.

He's not being allowed to play Daniel. Oh, man. You know, I'm not going to lie to you, Colin. On the show here, I came on the show, iconic performance, iconic appearance. Yeah. And just like all the other New Yorkers, okay, we wanted the guy from Duke who has the name that starts with a Z. Zia. We weren't thinking about Daniel Jones.

So I'm not going to sit here. I can't make an educated opinion on Daniel Jones starting the season. I know one thing. Patrick Mahomes sat out an entire rookie season. He did. Eli Manning is starting the year. Eli Manning was not that bad last year. Daniel Jones cannot start the season.

We also can't have Sequin Barclay get hurt. But I can't sit here and say, oh yeah, this is crazy. Patrick, we need to, we need more time. I don't have a problem with Eli starting the season. I think that's the most prudent thing to do. I don't think it's that hard to go to a microphone and say, listen, I'm going to go with playing against the ACC and playing against the Eagles for 10 years,

Eli is more capable this morning to lead us in September. I agree. And I think you just stop talking. Just say, we're going to start the season with Eli. What did he say that got you nervous? Last week he goes, well, the owner owns the team. Nope, nope. And it's like, I don't want to hear about the owner.

Just say, Eli is starting the season. Come back in week seven. Period. And then just stop talking. Yeah, don't start owner, this, that. You're the coach. By the way. You're the coach?

Even if the owner's in your ear, don't tell me that. No. Jason Garrett never says, would Jerry just, hey, by the way, the Rooney's and Kevin Colbert are in Mike Tomlin's ear all the time. Mike Tomlin walks up to that microphone, this is my team. Andy Reid walks to the microphone. This is my team. I agree.

I agree. I'm not going to sit here and sit here and start. Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones. I'm going to defend him, though. He's looked better than I thought. When some big mouth, who's won nothing in Cleveland. Oh, Baker. Backpedaling Baker, some big mouth in Cleveland who's done nothing significant as an NFL quarterback.

It's talking about my backup quarterback or my third string quarterback. We don't need your opinion. Also, your opinion means nothing because you've done nothing in the NFL. And Colin, I don't like to agree with you. When I come on this show, I want to attack you. I want to disagree with you. But I must say, the way you decimated and brought reality and light to Baker Mayfield's first year. One win out of the state of Ohio.

One win. Whoopty-do. And you got, again, all the cool kids. And somebody taught you how to Millie Rock and you're watching a Fortnite and you're the class clown. I too. I don't want my quarterbacks to be the class clown. I want him quiet. I like Tom Brady.

These are the quarterbacks of one. Russell, Peyton, Nick. Flacco, Eli. I never, I never seen any of them dance. Well, I said this before. The NFL is going to give you volatility. So what I want as a quarterback is a fireman who's going to put out fires. Right.

Look, you look at last year. I don't want him starting them. I don't want a gas can. So think about Jared Goff last year. We think, oh, Rams got to the Super Bowl. He loses his best receiver in like week seven, Cooper Cop. Yep. Then Todd Gurley can't play very much in week 10.

and that season was considered. Sean McVeigh got to a Super Bowl. The sport. Okay, look at Patrick Mahomes. Kareem Hunt, oh, brother. Tyreek Hill gets in trouble. Oh, brother. Injuries to the O line, oh, brother.

The NFL's for the good teams that won like 11 games. Right. Deshawn Watson won his division. He couldn't fly to a game because of a punctured lung. So I want a fireman at quarterback. Putting out fires. I don't want a gas can. Baker can be a gas can.

I totally agree. And I just don't, you know, and then he's backpedaling. I didn't say this. You did say it. Just like you said the thing about Hugh Jackson, just like you said the thing about Duke Johnson. You said it. You say things. And don't, you're not a victim.

This is another guy. Like, oh, the victim, they're coming after me. Then shut your mouth and be a quarterback. And don't you have any bro code? Don't you have any QB code? Like, you know, you're talking about another quarterback who's never taken any steps that you probably know from one of these quarterback. camp's when you guys were in high school?

Probably, yeah. So does it say, and don't backpedal. If you like to talk trash, they call me the MVP of talking trash. I don't back pedal. You don't. No, no. I mean, if I say something stupid, I will, but it's a different sort of thing. Your quarterback, keep your mouth shut.

Like, people think, and I hear this all the time, there's a lot of different ways to win. I'm not saying that you have to be Jared Goff, who is virtually the Loch Ness monster in Los Angeles. You get a sighting once a year. Right. Like, you don't have to be that quiet. But we do have a history in the NFL where most of the great quarterbacks really were chaos, were almost parental.

They were almost maternal and parental. Like they're just like they're the coach on the field. You know, Michael Vickles tells a great story. He goes, they came into this league second year. And the players before the game are jumping. And he goes, I jump in and I'm jumping. And Dan Reeves goes, you're the quarterback. You're not a running back.

I don't want you leading us out of the field. I need you to step back and run the organization. And Mike's like, oh. That's a great point. Yeah, no, I mean, it's not me being critical of Baker. This position is different. You can be critical of them. Why can't we be critical of him?

He puts himself out there. Okay, by the way, so you've been on movie sets. Yes. Okay. So I have not. I would guess that the tone of the movie set is created by the director. And the state. The star and the director.

So there is a different responsibility. If Spielberg, who works with Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks. They create the vibe, the temperament, the pace, the reading of the movie. Well, that's what a quarterback does with your team. They create the vibe in the locker room. And if you're on the set with Spielberg and Leonardo's going, man, this guy, he's lost it. And I don't know why he's having us, we should be doing this.

Why is he shoot? And if you're the supporting actors. You're going to be like, yeah, I don't know why he is. Why is the camera over there? Not that Leonardo does that. I'm just saying that. So the director and the star create the vibe? 100%.

So Leonardo and Scorsese. Yeah. And if Leonardo starts going, you know, Marty's gone nuts, he's what. Then you've got a problem. You have a problem. Because everyone else is going to follow behind them. And then I'm like, oh, maybe Marty has gone nuts. Michael Rappaport, FS1 contributor on tour doing stand-up.

You are in La Brea. Is it Brea, California? Yep. I thought was Libreia. No, Braya, California, the 6th, September 6th, then I'm out of Phoenix. 13th and 14th. Yep. Disruptive comedy.

Or Libreia is a street. LaBreya is a street. Braya, California. Where is it? It's about an hour and 15, hour, 20 out of the city here. You got to get out of the city here. I went to Hermosa Beach two nights ago. I felt like I was in Portugal.

It was so far from my house. Relaxing, though. Good seeing you. Good to see you. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Pirmus is like the next speech over from you. I don't get out of the area code much, Joy. Pod yourself to work and back. So what happened yesterday afternoon with Cowboys was far from subtle. Crazy. Cowboys announced Jalen Smith's extension. That message was very clear and even clearer was that Jerry Jones was not going to apologize for his Zeke Who comments.

I've earned a right with Zeeke to joke. Period. I've earned it. The team takes precedent at a point over the opinion or the demand of the individual. This was a team move that we are talking about today, a real team move. Well, Pierce Jerry has dug his boots in on the situation. Did you watch the presser? It was so funny because Jalen Smith was a really quiet kid.

He's a great story. gets hurt, career in jeopardy. He's a great story and wanted to be a cowboy. Like I said, it's a great American sport story. And then there's Stephen Jones, and Jerry just wouldn't stop talking. And at one point, Stephen's like not making eye contact with the media. It was like, Dad's on a roll. Let Dad just talk.

I mean, Jerry just owned the press conference yesterday. I mean, that's what Jerry does. Jerry's been the face of this whole situation since it started. I think it's starting. When all this first happened in Zeke, like the Z-C-C- holdout news came and like we knew that they were going to have to pay DAC and we were talking about Amari. Jalen Smith, we weren't even discussing. It kind of felt like they'll get this sorted out like sooner rather than later. Now it's kind of, it's turning a little hostile. It's a little personal.

All the jokes were done with Jerry in that clip we just, we just played. It was a little personal yesterday. I think he's, yeah, I mean, saying it that, you know, there's a little, there's less of the pie available. I think they're playing a dangerous game though. I really do because you're talking about your franchise quarterback and you're talking about a transcendent talent at a skill position that that franchise quarterback definitely needs in order to be successful. It's just crazy. I mean, he's talking about trying to keep all these pieces together. I'm just wondering what the alternative is.

I think Jerry, I honestly think that if you look at the Cowboys' first three weeks, I think Jerry thinks to himself two things. One, DAC at the end of last year was seven and one. He was a better player. Had an offseason with Amari. Offensive line now is healthy. Second thing I think Jerry thinks is, we've got a really easy first three games to start.

Let's just roll the dice week one. We want to know. Let's just roll the dice week two. I think Jerry's a gambler. Jerry was an oil maverick. You know, Jerry's career is risk. He hired Jimmy Johnson, fired Tom Landry. I think Jerry's sitting there thinking

every win in the regular season until week three or four, it's just less money I have to pay. I mean, Jerry's and DNA, Joy, is risk. No, and he's absolutely one of the greatest of all time at it. But when it comes to this team, they haven't won a Super Bowl in a very long time. That is true. So there's a balance of risk and then actual talent that you need to acquire in order to do that. And if Dak Prescott was going into his contract year and he was Patrick Mahomes or

even Carson Wentz, like the talent level where you felt like, okay, he doesn't need the top running back in the league in order for this offense to be successful to the level that you needed to be to win a Super Bowl. You can win some regular season games. If that's your goal, cool. You're chilling. You don't have anything to worry about. But I don't think your goal is to win some regular season games. If you want to go over the top, you're going to need talent to do that. So just pay for it.

So Antonio Brown was a participant at Raiders practice yesterday. He was even wearing a certified helmet. And after John Gruden showed his private support of AB on hard knocks last night, he also continued his public support yesterday. He's all in, ready to go. That's my understanding. And I'm really happy to have him out here. He's a great player. If you see a distracted football team, then I disagree with it.

So I'm not going to make any more of it than that. There's a lot of teams that are missing star players. And this grievance thing is no laughing matter. It's something that's really important to them. And there's nothing wrong with support your players. on things that they believe in. We also understand the league's position, but I'm confident

that he's going to be a heck of a player for us and be ready to roll. Watching hard knocks last night, I mean, first of all, I mean, Gruden is just, I mean, he is a television treasure. Oh, no, he is. He's great. He's great in front of a microphone. It's amazing.

But I didn't really think that A.B. came off in a bad way on the show, and I didn't have any problem with the way that John Gruden sported. Now, obviously, we know he's going to support him publicly. But you get a little bit more of the behind the scenes feel of, you know, how frustrated is the team and, you know, how much are they asking about where he is. But everybody doesn't, everyone gets treated the same but different, right? That's the Jimmy Johnson quote.

You can't sometimes star players are just that. And they need to be treated like the star. And he is the star of this team. He's the face of this team, whether he's there or not. That's why we're talking about the Raiders so much. If Antonio Brown wasn't on the team and they were doing hard knocks, I mean, really just be talking about Gruden and his antics. We wouldn't be talking about what their potential is. Don't you buy, if you are the star and you're aware of it, most, you know, you know if you're the best lawyer in a law firm or, you know, don't you buy so much more value to yourself if you don't advertise it?

Yeah, but everyone is wired so differently. and I think it's impossible to put people in boxes, especially when they've had success just being themselves. And especially if they've overcome things like Antonio Brown has overcome. I mean, being a sixth round traffic to one of the faces of the league, I mean, it gets to a point where, I mean, what can you really tell me? I know what I'm capable of doing if I just believe in myself and don't listen to anything anyone says about me or what people believe about me.

But if you do any homework, work on history. Deva wide receivers, it never turns out well. Like, give me one. You're like, he was crazy. And then in the end, he won four Super Bowl. Like, it never works. But that's what I'm saying. It doesn't, everybody doesn't have to be that. You know what I mean? And it's worse when you try, when you've ever tried to be something that you're not. Does it work out? Do you feel happy? No, but that's why I would never acquire Antonio Brown. Like, I, he is what he is. Right. But that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's handle those personalities. And I think he's right to support his player. And I think that the way

that he is trying to relate to him is important because that was the biggest question that we had with Gruden. Is he out of touch? Is he going to be able to communicate with young millennial players? You know, and sometimes you got to treat people differently. It's the old wouldn't quote, the bus waits for no one, but the bus will wait for Lou Al Cinder. Like, that's how it works. Sometimes you just have a star, you have to cater to. And I think Antonio Brown's been kind kind of gracious with Gruden and seems like they're working on a relationship. Finally, Ty Lou has agreed to a deal with the LA Clippers to become the top assistant coach on Doc Rivers. To become a top assistant coach on Doc Rivers staff.

Rivers and Lou are reportedly close. He was an assistant on Riverstaff in Boston for two seasons in 2011 through 13. And then with Clippers for one in 2013, 14. So he has actually landed somewhere. And this is just another move by the Clippers to kind of, it feels like a very, I mean, obviously, Ty is a great coach. deserves to be in a top assistant position and this is a great situation for him and the Clippers.

But once again, it's just like something else taken from the Lakers that's like this could have been the situation had you worked it all out, and now he is with the team that's in the building that seems to be more functional in a better situation. Yeah, Clippers have made very few bad moves since Steve Ballmer bought the team.

It's just been a series of smart, calculated, shrewd, hired. And Hyards. I mean, we weren't, obviously we're, you know, approaching NFL season. and we're not searching what their assistant coaches are going to be. But this news comes up and it's like, oh, that makes perfect sense. Just another great addition to the Clippers.

Just another reason why they should be favored this year. Yeah. They got a bunch of smart people in the room. Almost every decision they make, I'm like, oh, that's really smart. And it's quiet, and we don't hear about it, and it doesn't get leaked. Right. And it fits. They've worked together before, and he's had success.

Stock's had success. It's just. It works. Even Kauai Leonard yesterday gave a million backpacks to kids. She's like, oh, that's just really smart. It wasn't needy. It wasn't look at me. me, it was, oh, they do stuff with school kids in LA.

That's really the way you should do it. Like, everything the Clippers do, it's like, regardless of their championship banners or lack thereof, they are a well-run franchise. Not every well-run franchise has a bunch championships. The Clippers, since Ballmer took them over, are incredibly well-run. It's an amazing turnaround. I mean, it's incredible. They are the grown-ups in the NBA in this room in Los Angeles.

Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd-Ly News. Aluminum carry on from away luggage is as good a luggage as I've ever had in my life. Every feature of away bags perfectly engineered, go to awaytravel.com slash Colin, 20 bucks off when you enter the promo code, Colin. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports

Radio, FS1 and the iHeart radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves.

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Blame the media. Say stuff like fake news and clickbait. More examples of it today. I'm going to run some pieces of video for you to watch. Here's Baker Mayfield clarifying his comments in GQ magazine about Daniel Jones, where he said, it blows my mind that they drafted him. He did not have a winning record in college. Blame the media.

Here we go, part one. You know, you can't trust anyone. So, I mean, it's taken out of context, but at the same time, that was back in April, which is why, you know, it's astonishing that's that big of a deal right now. That's the problem with today's day and age. You know, you don't read the whole thing. You don't put two and two together. You just kind of read scripts, and then people, you know,

they combine sentences from different conversations. And so it seemed very disrespectful, and I can understand that. But what people didn't realize is the conversation entailed of me. me saying that I was surprised I was drafted number one overall too. You know, I reached out to Daniel because all that blew out of, you know, way out of hand, and I wanted him to know how I felt. I don't care about a lot of opinions of it, you know, if you like me or not, but that looked like my character was, you know, way out of line.

And so that's the only reason I addressed it. You want to do interviews, you put yourself out there, you go to restaurants, you let people follow you around, you talk, don't blame the media. But again, fake news, clickbait. It's become a trend. Here's Antonio Brown. It's noisy, hard knocks HBO, blame the media part two. You know, too much noise right now.

More work, less noise. I felt like I was in to me at a fucking state. Getting the feet trim up. I'm on every channel. Damn. I'm just going to talk about how to work instead of all the nonsense. People want to make me out to be. Just a young black-skinned kid, working really hard.

And it's starting pale. Because AB is actually a good player, a really good player. And he's a handsome-looking player, by the way. You know? So that's all it is right there. A.B. is being treated fairly. I don't think it's anybody's fault. He wants to be on hard knocks.

He's talking to himself with a camera. He's got a good personality. I don't think blaming the media is the right take. But this is the world we live in. So Baker, blame the media. Own it. A, B, blame the noise. Own it.

Aaron Rogers, by the way, does it a little bit. He did it a couple of weeks ago, and I think Aaron's way too smart to do this. Aaron dropped a clickbait. He did it twice in two different interviews. It's like, Aaron, you're better than that. What he said here, I agree with, but it's the way in which he said it. Roll the tape. You don't carry those wins over to the regular season.

I think I do find it interesting that some teams. teams get a pass this time of year. I mean, the Rams don't play anybody. And not many people talk about that fact. Now, the counter would be, well, this is a new system. I get it. Yeah, there's a reason. It's a new system.

Aaron, that's why people want you to play in the preseason. Now, for the record, I don't want Aaron to play in the preseason. I don't want Aaron anywhere near the preseason. I don't think Aaron Rogers should ever play a preseason game, Again, but again, it's blamed the media. It's, well, I mean, some people, the Rams don't practice, and then you answered your own question. Well, I mean, we do have a new coach. Of course, that's exactly why the media is fairly asking the question.

Are you concerned you're not taking any snaps in the preseason? If Mike McCarthy was here, we wouldn't ask the question. Now, I do agree with the premise of Aaron, which is, I've had a bunch of camps and a bunch of practices. I don't want to be out there. That I agree. We've never questioned Aaron's intelligence. He picks up stuff fast. I don't want Andrew Luck playing.

I don't want Brady plan. I don't want Breeze plan. I don't want Rogers playing. There's some young guys I'd like to see. I think Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, give him a half. You know, Lamar Jackson, I don't want to see Philip Rivers. I don't want to see Eli Manning. But again, Baker, A.B. Rogers.

This is the new thing now. Fake news. click bait. It's like a cottage industry. Folks, we ask questions. You have answers. They're taped. It's not us. We're just messengers. What we are. We're just innocent bystanders

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It didn't get a lot of press. Steph Curry gave a million dollars, and he's creating a golf team at Howard University. I thought that was one of the coolest things yesterday. He started a Division I program. I thought that was amazing yesterday. It didn't get any press. I saw it like on Twitter buried. It was the 87th most popular story.

But Steph Curry yesterday created a college sports program. I thought that was an amazing thing. Yeah, I mean, he obviously loves golf. He loves golf. Yeah, it's huge. Women and men's program there. Oh, he did? He started both.

That's amazing. He started an athletic program at a university in America. That doesn't have, like that's what, if you're a pro athlete and you make zillions, That is having an impact. You're going to give all sorts of scholarships away to kids that would never go to college. And you're creating, I mean, men and women, they must have 15 players a squad or eight players. I mean, it just opens up a whole new, you know, opportunity and space in a sport that's, you know, for the most part, very niche.

Yes. Cool thing. Steve Palozo is joining us. Now, he works at Pro Football Focus. You know I love PFF. Chris Collinsworth is a majority shareholder. They rank every player. They rank everything.

And I'm a data guy. And I know sometimes, you know, I get into these numbers and got a little matrix going on on my gray hair. But I love this stuff at PFF and be the Coward Global Satellite Network. Steve Palazzovo is a senior analyst pro football focus. All right. So you got your quarterback list. And we put it one through 20. But you're more interested in the tiers.

So you list the quarterbacks in terms of tiers. and Tier 1 is Brady, Breeze, and then it's Patrick Mahomes. Then you go to the second group of guys. So the first pushback would be from a lot of people, Steve, is, you got Mahomes there, and you don't have Aaron Rogers there. Is some of that, Steve, just injuries to Aaron? Yeah, I mean, that's a part of it. He has had trouble staying on the field at times, but we're also seeing Rogers at his best,

to know those tier one quarterbacks can carry anybody around them and still produce. You know, I mean, I think that's the big disconnect. between, you know, Tier 1 to 2 to 3. And I think Rogers, a little bit the last couple of years, he's just not making the same plays within the scheme. So this is a big test this year, new scheme, new system. Can he hit those open throws? That's what Mahomes did last year, despite all those highlight real plays.

Mahomes was just efficient, didn't miss many throws. Rogers missed too many, too many negative plays. We've seen that at times throughout his career, 2015, early 2016, and then last year and a little 2017 when he got hurt. So the consistency just hasn't been there for Rogers, even though the high-end play, he's still more than capable of it. Now, you have Deshaun Watson lower than I would have him. I think despite an average running game and a below-average O-line,

he's been very accurate, very productive. He was dealing with an injury so severe. He couldn't fly with the team. You've got not, it's not like you've been disrespectful, but you have him lower than Baker. You've got him at about 12, lower than Wentz. What is the knock that has him out of the top 10? What don't you love about Deshaun

Watson. Yeah, so Watson, the last couple of years, his statistically has been a little bit better than our PFF grades, our throw-by-throw grading would indicate. So that rookie season, you know, he had a little bit of interception luck, some garbage time touchdowns, put up some huge stats. Last year, he put up good stats again. But again, throw-for-throw, just misses more than most quarterbacks. Too many fumbles last year as well. The most fumbles in the NFL directly charged to him, or sorry, the most sacks in the NFL directly charged to him. So he had a bad offensive line, but also brought way too much pressure upon himself. I do give him credit, though. He's higher than even our grades would indicate because the O line hasn't been great, because he's

only thrown to D'Andre Hopkins most of the time. So I think it's a big year for Watson to prove, is that production actually for real that we've seen over the last couple of years? Steve's a senior analyst, pro football focus, PFF. Derek Carr was 19th. I told my staff this morning, I said, if Derek Carr is the 19th best quarterback, it feels like to me that the league's better at quarterback than it's been in a long time. Derek's a very capable quarterback. If you go back five years, you have a younger company. Is the quarterback play better today? Yeah. So I think five years ago, we were saying, hey, you know what, when Brady and Breeze and, you know, at the time, Peyton, when all these old guys retired, the NFL has a QB problem because, you know, Andy Dalton was kind of that

poster child for the middle, dead smack, number 15 or 16 type of quarterback in the league. But now you get Dalton kind of in the lower third of the NFL. I think there's been a lot of Andy Dalton types, those tier three type of quarterbacks who when you put the right system around them, the right ecosystem, right, the O-line, the play caller, the playmakers, they can have top 10 caliber seasons. We've seen that from Derek Carr. 2016, he was our number five graded QB, but he's been 21st and 19th these last couple years. I think there are a lot of guys in that QB middle class far more now than there were five or six years ago. And, you know, I think Carr is, you know, one of those classic examples. If you get the perfect ecosystem, absolutely, he could produce at a top 10 rate.

One of the things I said to Joy earlier, I don't know why. Generally in America, the media, we know the great quarterbacks, we know the guys that aren't great, and we're critical of Kirk Cousins. We're critical despite winning his division of Dak Prescott. There is something about Cam Newton where the media is overwhelmingly reluctant to acknowledge he's not that much better than Andy Dalton, you guys finally are coming out and saying he's not great. You have him ranked, let me see here, 16th, which is basically in a dead heat with Dak Prescott. What are the numbers saying that? By the way, people blame the O line. They blame the offensive coordinator. They blame the lack of wide receivers. You know, over these years, what are your numbers say to have him ranked right in the

middle of the league? Yeah, I think the thing with Cam Newton, if you go back to 2011 when he entered the league, you look at the PFF grades, he's had one year above 90, one year above 80, actually, And it was that MVP season in 2015. So one elite year, along with a bunch of just mid-tier type of seasons. He's an interesting guy, and you can see why people fight for him, right? Because he's so unique. He's a unique runner. He adds a ton of value in that way, which is absolutely true.

But his down-to-down, throw-for-throw consistency is just not there. Since entering the league, he's got the highest percentage of positively graded throws in our system, which is great. He adds a ton of value, but the second-highest percentage of negatively-graded throw. so he misses far more throws than your classic passers. That's why his passing production has been down. And again, if you're making excuses for a guy, O-line, receivers, whatever it is, then they're probably not in the top tier of quarterbacks

because those top-tier guys still pretty much find a way to get it done year-in, year-out, despite what's happening around them. So I said last year during the season, I said for the first time in seven or eight years, I felt Mahomes had replaced Aaron Rogers as sort of the, quote, most talented quarterback,

Not winning the playoff games, not Brady. Brady is the most productive in terms of wins. Breeze has the most records. But I do feel like your poll is saying that you have them as a tier one guy and Rogers tier two, that Mahomes has replaced Rogers as kind of the it arm, the it talent. I said it earlier, Steve, that if you told me, okay, this Sunday there's going to be a throw that doesn't even look human, I would have said Aaron Rogers for all of the last seven years, except last year I would have said Mahomes.

Is that kind of the feeling at PFF? Yeah, I could see that. As much as the highlight reel for Mahomes was truly special last year, to me, I was most impressed about what he did within the system. And now you pair that special talent with one of the best play callers in the NFL and Andy Reid. That's why you get a 50 touchdown season. It's going to be tough to duplicate that. But you've got the special throws and the fact that Mahomes had the second lowest percentage

of our negatively graded throws. He was just efficient. He didn't miss a ton of plays. That's what I think made him special. That's where Aaron Rogers has lost it just a little bit. But, yeah, when you get Mahomes outside the pocket, you know, we track this thing called big time throws, Colin, all the best throws every single week. Mahomes had almost 20% of the big time throws in the entire NFL outside the pocket last year. So I know that passes the sniff test. You see that with the eye test, but we can actually quantify.

Yeah, Mahomes is absolutely special both within structure and outside of it. All right, Steve Palazzolo is a senior analyst pro football focus. finally, you like Baker before everybody else. You had him graded higher than Darnold. You have Kyler Murray graded higher than Sam Darnold. What do you see from Kyler Murray so far you like? Yeah, I mean, this isn't really based off the preseason stuff. You know, week one was okay.

Week two was not so good. But based off our college projection, part of the reason why we have Baker in the top 10 was not just what we saw from him his rookie year, which we think was really, really good. It was the three years of college that we saw where he was spectacular and things that translated to the NFL. he was showing it at Oklahoma. Kyler Mari showed a lot at Oklahoma as far as hitting open throws down the field,

making big time plays, not missing a ton of throws, the things that should translate at the NFL level. And if we were just ranking all the QBs coming out the last two years, it'd be Baker pretty much by a mile, then Kyler, and then Sam Darnold. So we liked Donald quite a bit coming out. He was okay as a rookie, but we would have had Kyler over Darnold if they were coming out over these last couple years.

Former minor league pitcher, by the way, with the Brewers Giants and Mariners. Steve, thanks for coming on the show. Don't forget, folks. PFF.com. Get your stats analysis, promo code PFF 25% off your edge subscription. It's great. If you live for football and metrics, PFF.com. Thanks, bud.

Thanks, Steve. Thank you. You bet. Yeah, there you go. I don't like Darnel as much as I do. I am going to have a good laugh at America's expense on that. Right now, I got to take it. The jets aren't very good, and they're still probably a year away.

They're a draft away from getting a number one receiver in about two more corners. I think they're about three years away from Rio contention. Boy, when they contend, I cannot wait. I am going to make it miserable for a lot of people out there. It's going to be when that other guy in their division decides to retire. Yeah, mostly Tom. LeVar Arrington's around the corner as well. And I love, we're playing the game at the end of the show today called Presser Cooker,

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slash credit scorecard limitations apply. It is funny. There's a lot of talk about the Browns and the hype and people say, Colin, you're rough on Baker. One of the things, you know, it's funny is that Cleveland last year was 7, 8, and 1, and they had one win over a winning team. It was at home in overtime against Baltimore,

12 to 9. That was their big win. They won seven games. Here's the teams that won seven games in the NFL last year. Miami, Washington, Atlanta, Carolina, Cleveland, Cleveland's the only one this year in the Super Bowl talk. The Miami team beat New England. The Carolina team beat Philly.

The Washington team beat Dallas. All more impressive wins than Cleveland. Well, they added OBJ and they added Olivier Vernon. Okay, let's just take one team, Tennessee. Tennessee, unlike Cleveland, had a winning record, 9 and 7. Tennessee beat four playoff teams. Hammered Dallas, hammered New England. Tennessee has a proven head coach.

Tennessee added the best slot receiver in free agency in the league, Adam Humphreys, the best guard in the NFL, arguably, in free agency. They added Delaney Walker, a good tight end comes back, pro bowler. They also added defensive end Cameron Wake, who the last two years has had more sacks than Cleveland's new defensive end, Olivier Vernon. I don't get it. It's nothing against Cleveland. They had one win over a winning team.

And we've got them in the Super Bowl because they added OBJ and Olivier Vernon. I don't get it. Tennessee had a winning record. Crushed New England, crushed Dallas, beat four playoff teams, added a great slot receiver. Their old line was already rated top five in the NFL. They added another top interior line. lineman. Delaney Walker comes back. Cameron Wake, experience head coach. I keep saying, I don't get Tennessee Cleveland line in week one. How's Tennessee a five and a half point dog?

I mean, that just screams to me. Take the points. I don't get it. I mean, is it because we think Baker is this and Marcus Marioata. Maybe it's that. Maybe it's just, you know, because home field advantage is not worth five and a half points. But I've never seen a team. Tennessee was not nine and seven with four impressive wins over playoff teams and looks like they'll be significantly better on the offensive line at slot receiver, their tight ends back, and they got Cameron Wake, who's better than Olivier Vernon? I don't understand it. I don't get it.

It's nothing against Baker. I just think we're hyperventilating on a seven-win team that has one win over a playoff team. By the way, Pittsburgh added players. Pittsburgh was nine, six, and one. Pittsburgh's got a better coach than Cleveland, a better quarterback than Cleveland, a better offensive line than Cleveland. They had more sacks than Cleveland. They have a better more stability than Cleveland.

It's weird. Are we forgetting that sometimes are we forgetting that Tennessee and Pittsburgh in the AFC had winning records beat multiple playoff teams? Pittsburgh, do you know Pittsburgh had five one possession losses? Pittsburgh didn't get blown out. Cleveland got blown out four times last year by four AFC teams. I don't get it. I'm not anti-Cle. I have them going nine and seven, but I don't think they're going to battle to the end for a playoff spot.

May make it, may not. But Super Bowl talk teams, that's like 13 win teams. That's like where Kansas City is going to be at. If Andrew Luck was healthy, that's Indy. That's New England. That's Rams. That's Philadelphia. Like, that's a whole different class of teams than, you know, a team I think will bounce around 500 be 9 and 7.

Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Pat Shermer had to stand up for his potential franchise quarterback Daniel Jones after Baker's criticism of Jones and Odell's criticism of the Giants. He was asked to comment on those. That's not original commentary, is it? Quite frankly, on our list of issues of the day, it really doesn't matter what Odell or Baker's.

Baker said. There's many other things that we should probably be discussing. He's in a long line of people that criticize that move. So that's his business. The one thing about Dan is don't don't confuse calm and composed for a guy that's competitive and a winner. Yeah, I think less is more in that spot. Yeah. Probably a fellow checking in. O'Dell and Baker don't play for the Giants. Who cares? Yeah, who cares? Although the rule, this is why Tomlin's the greatest press conference coach ever.

Strong, succinct. Mike wastes no words. Mike never goes, and but Mike Tomlin comes up and he talks in sound bites, which in our business means eight words to the point, defiant, clearly spoken, drop the mic. I mean, I don't have a problem with him addressing it. obviously he was going to be asked about it. But in a situation where you know the question is coming, I mean, Daniel Jones is a great young talent.

We're happy to have him. O'Dell and Baker don't play for the Giants. Next. That's all you've got to say. It's not that complicated. Because it just feels like this is a giant, like this whole, for me, anytime a story gets to the level the story has,

the Antonio Brown helmet situation, this conversation, Odell's criticism of the Giants, a very strong, succinct response is really all you have to do. Like for Baker, I feel like I was taken out of context. I apologize to Daniel Jones. I'd like to put this to rest.

Wish him well. Wish him well. By the way, my wife used to be an HR, and she says this all the time, is less is more. Like when I ask you a question, have an answer, and don't be afraid of silence. Like, if you go into contact, track negotiations with your boss and you say, and he asks you so and so, and you say, I just think I'm worth this. Don't be afraid of silence and then let him respond. Don't talk yourself out of a raise.

Right. Just let there be, these coaches, Belichick has no fear of silence. Tomlin has no fear of, a lot of these coaches, they don't like, they don't like, like, like, I stopped talking. And I just say. Well, because sometimes I think you get, and it's hard, you know, we're human beings. It's hard to remove personal feelings from a situation. If you're having a personal conversation, it may be more confrontational. You may feel the need to defend yourself more or explain yourself more.

You know, like if you're having a conversation with Daniel Jones, you're not going to give him that answer. You're going to explain. You're going to say, you know, I apologize. That's how it was taken. But for the media, we don't need to know all that. It's boom, boom. Sorry, moving on. Didn't mean it like that.

The end. It's like the more that you drag it out, the worst it gets. So Tom Brady is the goat. We all agree on that, except for Philip Rivers. Because he thinks that the goat to be. bait is not really that simple. He was on the Dan Patrick's show and said this. I remember thinking when the Patriots beat the Seahawks, when they had the interception against the Seahawks down there on fourth and won and that gave them what their fifth

championship, right? Brady's fifth, I think. You know, everybody said, he's now the greatest of all time. And I thought to myself, I always thought he was already won up the greatest all time, but because they intercepted the past, he's now the greatest of all time, what if the Seahawks were running in? And the Seahawks were to won. Brady just played the exact same game. He didn't do anything different, you know, but it is funny how that works. So I don't look at that. That's why I always think Marino's right there in the mix, too. You know what's also forgotten in that Super Bowl? That Brady led the Patriots to a winning touchdown drive over Seattle. Seattle was dead. Nobody ever talks about. Remember the play

before this up the right sideline? Russell Wilson threw kind of a Hail Mary throw, and it was maybe the greatest Super Bowl catch of all time. It bounced off people up the sideline. Seattle needed an incredibly fortuitous, an incredibly lucky bounce to get into that position. Game was over. Like, it was done. New England had scored. Seattle had 50 yards to go. And then they got a 35-yard hookup down the sideline. Basically, it was kind of that Julian Edelman against Atlanta. Yeah. The ball's bouncing around. You're like, Julian Elman caught the ball. People forget. Germain Curse. People forget. Seattle should have never been in that position. The game, New England had scored. Seattle was way out of touchdown position.

They were lucky to get there. I mean, either of the quarterback position is the most important on the field, or it's not. And at one point or another, if you're the quarterback of a dynasty that's won six Super Bowls and you've been to nine, the conversation about talents and numbers and all those things, like it starts to diminish. You play to win the game, right? We play to win the game. Listen to this. He's won more of the most important games in a tremendous amount. Think about this.

The last time Tom Brady, this is funny, did not make the AFC championship. Blake Griffin won rookie of the year. Derek Rose was the MVP. And here's the capper. LeBron had been to one finals. That is the last time Brady wasn't in the AFC championship. Yeah, I mean, yeah. At one point or another, it's just like, we can all just,

agree on this. Like, if you want to get to who is the most talented or who's the best thrower the ball, like those are all opinion-based conversations and you can have fair debates about that. But it's past, we're past all that now. Finally, world soccer champ

Carly Lloyd attended Eagles camp yesterday and she taught them a thing or two about kicking field goals. So Carly kicks a 40-yard field goal with ease. She then kicked this 55-yard field goal that the internet cannot stop watching and talking about. It's a thing of beauty. So for those who don't see how legit this is, 55 yards,

just basically have the football field. So football field is 120 yards. So any NFL team that's in desperate need of a kicker might want to see if they can recruit Carly from the US one of its national team. I wonder how long of a field goal I could kick. I have a bad right ankle. I don't think I could kick that. Have you ever played soccer? Or anything like that? I ripped up my right ankle so many times that I can't do the side kicking thing. I just don't have it. It hurts. It's a lot harder than it looks. She's making it look very easy. The Jets could use her. No kidding.

Their Jets kicker retired. Somebody explained to me the Jets. For the first time ever the Jets were great on special teams last year, they let the return guy and their kicker go. Can somebody explain that to me? Well, their new kicker, Taylor, Bertolette missed two of their three extra point attempts. I don't understand what the Jets

did. There was a couple things the Jets did really well. Make Leonard Williams and Jamal Adams happy and keep your kicker. And they let their kicker go. I don't understand it. Yeah, that's a position that you want to lock up if you have somebody who's consistent. Especially to be a young quarterback and a new coach, you're going to be in a lot of close games.

You're not the Kansas City Chiefs. You're not the Eagles or Rams. Like the Jets are going to win a lot of 2724s. No, you need someone reliable there. And if you're still not over the national teams World Cup domination, the victory tour continues. The world champs will face Portugal on Thursday, August 29th at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia. That's 7 p.m. Eastern on FS1. Next Thursday.

And the Fox Sports app, yes, on August 29th. And the crowd of 37,000 for their first victory tour match at the Rose Bowl on August 3rd was the second largest standalone crowd for a friendly and women's national team history. Is that Philadelphia Stadium? That's where the MLS team plays. That is a great soccer venue. And they have a chance to break the friendly record in Philly. They've already sold 40,000 tickets. And the record was set in 2015 when 44,000 fans came out to Heinz Field.

So they're going to play at the link. Yes. That means the other stadium's too small for them. Well, they are the world champ. So they're going to play at the link. Yes, Link and Financial Field. And they've already sold $40,000. 40,000 and the record is 44,000 fans came to Heinz Field to see the Costa Rica friendly.

Wow, they're playing at the link. Yep. Carly's going to be shown off there too. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. aluminum carry-on from away luggage as good as it gets.

$20 bucks off. If you go to away travel.com slash Colin. 20 bucks off. The code is C-O-L-I-N. Levar Arrington. Second overall pick for Washington years ago. Multiple pro bowlers. Decade in the NFL.

Look at that. What is going on here? You are a well-coft tailored man today. Thank you, sir. You know what? You have to be confident to wear it. to wear, I would say those are not salmon. Those veered toward what?

I'm starting to believe I'm colorblind, man. What, you think you're in blue jeans? I think they're red. No, I don't think they're blue jeans, but I think they're red. But some people may say salmon. Some people may say pink. I think it's salmon. I think you've got some, you're wearing salmon right there.

But you know what? It matches my shirt. Sure does. I think. It does. I'm guessing. Speaking of equipment, did you ever have an equipment issue like AB one time in your career? I ultimately formed a bond with my helmet.

I will say that. You did. I always tell my kids, every great football player generally should give their helmet a name. And mine was Excalibur. I felt like the Lady of the Lake before every game allowed me to take Excalibur from the lake and use it to bless somebody's life for four quarters. Eric Dickerson wore, remember the thing he wore around his neck? Of course.

And I thought it was a neck roll. I thought it was an injury. And he said to me the other day, I just thought it looked cool. It just looked good. And I was like, well, I thought you had a bad neck. He's like, no, my neck was great. I just thought it looked like a nice. Probably the goggles, too.

He probably could see real well, but the goggles at, you know, Eric Dickerson is just one of those guys. You can look at the different parts of his uniform and be like all of them were very, very unique to Eric. Even his number 29 glasses. Jerry Curl? Yeah, I don't remember that part. Oh, he had a Jerry Curl. I just saw him the, I just saw him with a helmet. He had to curl.

He did. Oh, yeah. They were popular back then. Do you know he doesn't eat? It's an interesting question. It's what trivia question. Eric Dickerson rarely eats. I'm not joking asking about it.

No, I have a piece of candy. He'll have a peppermint stick at noon and he won't eat the rest of the day. Don't even ask me how it works. He doesn't eat. I've never met a guy like him. He eats one meal a day. No, one meal. And by the way.

A lot of people do that. He told me the other day, he goes, yeah, I had a pork chop. No, no, no, no. a barbecued spare rib. And I'm like, how many? He goes, two. It's all he ate all day. Well, Eric's different.

It clearly works for him. It does work for him. It clearly works for him. Did you ever have, you know, I'm watching the hard knocks last night. And A.B. I tend to be kind of self-reliant where I was raised. I'm not a big fan of high-maintenance people. They wear me out, friends.

Did you ever have a teammate that was a little dramatic? A.B. is a little dramatic. I played in Washington. man. Your owner was dramatic. From top down, Dramatics. We should have been called the fabulous Dramatics. So your roster was a lot of dramatic players. We had Dana Stubblefield. Was he dramatic?

Sure. Read up on him. We had Prime. I mean, I don't want to say, I don't want to say dramatic seems like there's a negative condensation to that, right? But, I mean, you could say dramatic and not be negative. Right. If we're saying in not a negative way that you had dramatic teammates, I probably had a lot.

I probably had vastly more than the not. Yeah, Michael Irvin was dramatic. I never thought it was. I play with Michael Westbrook. I play with Stephen Davis. I mean, but dramatic is kind of like, it's overstating more of animated or emotionally driven. So it was never disruptive for your team.

I mean, you would have to be overly disruptive to have been disruptive to the disruption that had already existed in that disruptive organization. You were kind of a circus in Washington. It was kind of a circus. Do you think they went out of their way to get players like that? Like Oakland feels like they're trying to sell tickets a little bit in Vegas? I don't think they're going out of their way to do. I think that they felt like they had an opportunity to get one of the best in the game. I mean, regardless of anything that's being said about AB, he is.

in a way, a top three receiver in this league. Some would say number one. His numbers would confirm that. He plays 15 games a year, 16 games. He plays. He delivers. He's productive. He really is an amazing football player.

No question. And I think that that, I think every coach, and as a coach, that coach's high school ball, you always feel like you have a chance to reach somebody in a different way than what someone else did. It's like dating, right? Like, oh, well, you had X amount of boyfriends. You go into meeting somebody, you had X amount of girlfriends, whatever it may be, whatever your preference. But the reality of it is is that if I have the opportunity to date you now, that means that you're not dating the people from before, right? But for some reason, you think that you're different and you may have different results. And it may be because of my personality. It may be because

our personalities mesh better. It may be because I am more understanding. There are a merit of reasons as to why you would think that even though this person, you know, the funny question is like, why are you not married? You're X amount of years old. You look great. You dress well. You smell good.

Da, da, da, da, da. You speak well. You handle yourself. Why are you not married? And then you get into the relationship. And then the honeymoon phase is over, right? The surface part of it is over. You go beyond the surface.

start to see that there are some very real things that exist below the surface of what I saw coming into the relationship, right? And then now you have to decide what do you do? What do you tolerate? What and how far and how long do I tolerate it and how long do I deal with it before I have to figure out a way out of it? What did you make of shifting to the Dallas Cowboys? So Jerry, to me, has been very public with the Zechiel Elliott.

you know, Steve, you take a shot at him. I'll take a shot at him. It's a tag team thing. So yesterday they signed Jalen Smith, and Jerry goes out of his way to talk about, what a good kid. He's a team player. He said that about seven times. It felt like to me Jerry was delivering a message to Zeeke as he was signing Jalen Smith as a former great player.

Did it feel like that to you? I'm sure there was some hit and diggery in there. But Jalen is all of those things. shots out to you Jalen man congratulations i mean god bless coming back from such a horrific injury to be where he is right now i i hate for the story to even go away from the amazing dream that has come true for that young man i've been following him since he was in high school but the answer your question yes it is a dig towards dac it is a dig towards ezekio it's not just ezekiel it's it's a dig towards dac as well less pie less pie less pie

Okay, you know, the last I check, if you keep cutting pieces of pie before long... The kid at the end of the table doesn't get any. Or there's a very, very, like, what type of slice is this? Right. It's the slice that's left for you. So it could not just be a dig. It could be a... This is a long-term deal you just signed with this young man.

Keep playing with me if you want to. You want to ask for 40 million, keep playing with me. All right? You want to go sit in Cabo and this, that, another? Okay, here's a long-term deal team player. We like this guy. He plays a position that makes a difference on our team. I feel really good about him as a person and as a human.

No off-field issues. A lot of different things to explain. He talked a lot about that. How about it? I mean, he sounded like his agent. Take your deal, bro. Take your deal. Live the fight another day.

and go from there. But this is definitely one of those. There has been a line drawn in the sand by both sides. And, you know, I gave you a relationship deal on the last topic. I like that. Well, let me give you another one, right? I love that. I remember doing a special.

I went to New York. I went to Manhattan, I want to say. It might not be Manhattan. But it was in New York, all right? Where is Madison Square Garden? It's right in the middle of New York. New York City. Okay.

Let's say New York City. Go there. right and I meet the group the Rockettes. Oh, nice. Had an opportunity to learn from them. I did some dance moves with them. I was kicking. I'm not very spry or super limber and flexible,

but I did my kicks with them anyway, right? If one of those young ladies, whether I don't know if they're all same contract with same pay or anything like that, but I do know if one of them goes down, the Rockettes still will rock the house the night of that show. and I start thinking to myself, this is a lot like what's going on in Dallas.

You know what? Jerry Jones, he runs the Rockettes. The Rockets are the Dallas Cowboys. If one of your people in line isn't kicking the same way, right? Everybody in unison doing what they need to do. There is still a show that is going to take place, sir. And whether you're kicking in line or somebody else is, that show will go on.

It's better to accept the bird in the hand and to look at the two that are in the bush. Just my take on it. That was excellent today. Thank you. I thought you were very good. I tried, man. You had a lot to live up until you came on with salmon pants. Thank you.

So you couldn't like throw a 65-mile-hour fastball up here. You had to throw gas and you really delivered it. I tried to bring some gasoline for you, man. I thought you were great. I'm glad you cleared up the color of my pants because I really think I'm colorblind. Listen, we all have our stuff. I hope it matches. though.

You know, this jacket is like my Hall of Fame jacket of my house. I am in the Hall of Fame of my house. Do you appreciate that, Ms. Taylor? I do appreciate it. In your house? Yeah, I'm the Hall of Famer. Because I'm not a Hall of Famer. I don't have the patch on my jacket or anything like that. And it's not yellow. It's not yellow.

It's close. It's close enough where I can get away with it, being the Hall of Famer of my home. LeVar Erington. It's great seeing you. Thanks. You too. You bet. Coming up. conference is how I would handle them if I was Baker Mayfield. I'll do my Baker Mayfield impersonation coming up next. In sports, a trade can make or break a team. A good one can mean a championship, but a bad one, a bad draft pick, a bad free agent

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And I think the key to a press conference is be sharp, be strong, be honest, and be succinct. and I think this week we saw four different opportunities where people sort of butchered press conferences. Joy, let's play presser cooker. All right, Colin, go ahead and grab your Giants hat because you are now head coach Pat Shermer. So I'm going to ask you the question again. Will Eli be the week one starter? Yeah, Eli Manning is more capable right now of leading our football team. team to wins. Daniel Jones has had a nice camp. He just played college football. Eli's the starter

week one. We will on a week by week basis judge our quarterback position. There is a clear gap between Eli and Daniel Jones today. It's not close. Eli's our starter week one. Very straightforward. Let's move on to the Raiders. Last night on hard knocks, we saw Antonio Brown return to camp after the helmet drama and his agent, Drew Rosenhouse, made it clear that the drama wasn't over and that they were still working towards a solution. Here is what Rosenhaus told John Gruden. I think we got the helmet figured out.

What we came up with is a little bit of a loophole. We found that if we can find one that was made within the last 10 years, they didn't ban it. So I think we can make that work for them. I'm not saying that we handled it the right way. All right, Colin, you are now, Drew. Rosenhouse, how should your client Antonio Brown deal with the helmet situation?

Hold on, Joy. Hold on. Got a couple clients to talk to. Yeah. Yeah, sign the deal. What a phone. Yeah, I signed the deal. Hold on. I'm Drew Rosenhouse. Listen, just because I'm an agent doesn't mean I always agree with my clients. Sometimes pilots walk into a cockpit.

They have new regulated gear they have to deal with. They don't have to like it. My client doesn't love the new helmet. But it's regulated by the league. We need to be good teammates. And I told Antonio Brown, let's go be great teammates,

10 touchdowns, 85 catches. We're officially a writer. Hold on, client. Yeah, yeah, sign the deal. True, they have these new phones, like the internet on them and everything. All right, let's move to the 49ers. Monday night, Jimmy Garapolos returned from the season-ending knee injury.

Did not go smoothly. He went one for six with zero passing yards, one interception in a pass of 0.0. here's what he said after the game. Obviously a little frustrated, but that's the NFL. You know, it's unfortunately we don't get to play the whole game right now. So, you know, I get so many plays. You wish you could be out there for more so you could bounce back and everything.

But, you know, it is what is the preseason right now. So just got to take it in stride. Colin, you are now, Jimmy Garoppolo. How would you explain your poor performance, Jimmy? Did you watch the game? Yes. I literally was in bed with Bradley Chubb. We were under the covers together.

It was frightening. I haven't played any year. I thought about my knee. Listen, if you didn't do your job for a year and then we're thrown into a chaotic situation, you'd be hesitant. I was poor. I was hesitant.

I'll get better. Seems like, Jimmy, you should be the one complaining about the helmet situation. Finally to the Browns, Baker Mayfield started another media firestorm in an interview with GQ. He said, I cannot believe the Giants took Daniel Jones, blows my mind. Some people overthink it.

That's where people go wrong. They forget you've got a win. He got some blowback for it. And here is what he had to say. You know, you can't trust anyone. So, I mean, it's taken out of context. But at the same time, that was back in April, which is why, you know, it's astonishing. It's that big of a deal right now.

That's the problem with today's day and age. You know, you don't read the whole thing. You don't put two and two together. You just kind of read scripts. And then people, you know, they combine sentences. from different conversations. And so it seemed very disrespectful, and I can understand that. All right, Baker, what do you have to say about the comments you made?

I need to talk less. It's my third interview. I keep stepping on it. I was 7, 8, and 1. I'm not going to blame anybody. I'm not going to blame anybody. It's on me. I called Daniel Jones.

I apologize. I won one game out of Ohio. I learned a lesson. Talk less. Play more. I should probably stop doing interviews in the preseason. You look like a mixture between karate kid and Tom Selleck. Not going to lie.

I don't know how anybody wears a mustache. How do you eat wearing a mustache? How do you eat soup? A ham sandwich wearing a mustache. I'm being told your mustache is upside down. Oh, my mustache is upside down. Good. God.

See, that was the problem. Now, okay. Yeah, that's more realistic. Yeah, now I feel like an 80s adult star. There's the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app.

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