The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Aaron Judge gets his moment, Yankees stay alive, player only meetings rarely work

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Aaron Judge delivers a clutch 3-run bomb to keep the Yankees alive in the ALDS vs. the Blue Jays — and Colin Cowherd says it’s the playoff moment Judge needed. Plus, what's going on in Philly? Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, and AJ Brown reportedly held a players-only meeting — but Colin explains why the Eagles’ offensive problems might run deeper than leadership talks can fixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is the herd wherever you may be. However, you may be listening. We're live in L.A. For J. Mack, Joel Cladden, one hour. We were waiting at A-Rod on the show yesterday. And A-Rod said, listen, it's not... And A-Rod lived through this in New York. It's not about getting base knocks.

You need a moment. Last night, Aaron Judge... Yeah. Finally had his moment. So the Yankees got smoked in the first two games of this series. I don't think the Yankees can win this series. I don't think they're starting pitching matches up well with Toronto. Now, Toronto led Major League baseball in hits.

So it's not like they're not difficult on everybody, but last night was classic. The Jays just own the Yankees starting pitching. Now, again, Toronto led baseball and hits. So if you count the regular season in the playoffs, the Blue Jays have a 6-1-ERA against the NBA. the Yankee starters. And they took a 6-1 lead last night. In innings one through five, just innings one through five in the first three games.

They've scored 20 runs. Carlos Rodon last night. This guy was, he was a horse for the Yankees this year. 18 wins. Boom. Six runs, two and a third. So again, Jays are batting 4.30 against the Yankee starters. And I don't think you can win a series like this.

Forget the bullpens. But it opened the door for the most. moment for Judge with two on in the fourth, and Aaron stepped to the plate. On a two-strike pitch. It's a drive down the line. If it's fair, it's time. Judge! The Yankees need Aaron Judge to deliver bombs.

They're an action movie. He's the lead. They don't play small ball. They don't have a great bullpen. Otani's valuable to the Dodgers. But he's not always necessary to be the last. lead. Aaron Judge is. The next inning, all that jazz, jazz chisholm, a guy that didn't play, remember game one against the Red Sox, came back. Yeah, they missed him. Jazz Chisholm came up.

Next inning followed. What a swing. Rocked it. Home run. The Yankees had a lead. The floodgates were opened and it was official. New York was back in this series. But here's the thing about bullpens. The Yankees, J's, Phillies, and Dodgers, all their bullpens have been roughed up. Until last night, when the Yankees bullpen did what every bullpen from the big markets and often the flashy teams, the Phillies, the Yankees, the Dodgers, even the Jay's bullpen not had a great postseason. Well, last night the Yankees bullpen goes six and two-thirds of scoreless baseball. And I don't know why bullpens are so bad because everybody now throws 98 miles an hour.

Everybody throws gas out of the bullpen, including the Yankees. But last night was about Aaron Judge having a signature moment. And once he did, Gazz Chisholm followed next inning. Yankee bullpen came in. Now, it's interesting. Toronto's going with a bullpen session today.

They're going to go with a bullpen start. Not exactly sure why. That opens the door for the Yankees. but the reality is runs will be scored in this series last night was about a singular moment Aaron Judge and here he was after

watching it fly did you think it would stay famed you never know I never had one like that right at the foul bowl thankfully the ghost kind of took that one over and kept it fair for us that was a nice one there's no panic in this team especially in the first inning

you know to run over by glad doing his thing again. The boys stay locked in. Okay, before I go to the Seattle Mariners, and I'm going to go today to the Seattle Mariners, I want to talk about something that happened yesterday in sports that I've always sort of rolled my eyes at. Players only meetings. The 76ers had one last year.

The Bulls had one in Chicago. The dolphins had one this year. How'd they all work out? By the way, Oklahoma City had a team meeting at half court to hoist a trophy. Player-only meetings are called lunch. If it lasts longer than that, you're in trouble. Sit down, have a ham sandwich after practice, chop it up for 15, 20 minutes. This thing yesterday between Sequin, Barclay, A.J. Brown, and J. Brown and J.

J.L.Hertz, went about two hours. Nick Wright and I talked about it yesterday. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. I wish my kids would have had a kids-only meeting. That would have been funny. But my takeaway on this is Jalen Hertz is a great quarterback and he's got some strengths, including strength, maturity, mobility, but he's a non-traditional quarterback.

You know whose receivers love their quarterback? Tom Brady's, Peyton Mannings, Baker Mayfields, those guys sit in the pocket and throw darts. That's not what Jalen Hertz is. He's a very unique quarterback that doesn't play the position like the all-time greats do. That doesn't mean he doesn't have great traits. or he's not a tremendous leader and a tremendous quarterback. But he's going to struggle throughout his career with wide receivers, because he's not really that guy. And what's interesting about this drama in Philadelphia,

in week one, A.J. Brown had one target. And I defended him. I said, you got to, come on, you got to target him. But in the last four weeks, A.J. Brown, the star receiver, has as many targets, believe it or not, as Justin Jefferson. They're trying to get in the ball. they've over-corrected. And to me, it's getting in the way of the offense.

Remember, last year, Philadelphia had a buy. They came out after the buy and decided, we're going to throw less, and they never lost. They're now trying, you know, it's the old square peg round hole. They're trying to change their offense to appease A.J. Brown, and you saw it last week. At one point, they trailed, they led Denver at 1.17 to 3. and in that game, at one point they ran the ball, or excuse me, pass the ball like eight, nine straight times. That's not what you do.

Philadelphia is known for running the ball when they trail. So when Philadelphia leads at home by a couple of touchdowns, you don't throw the ball eight, nine straight times. That's not what Philadelphia is. And so to me, when I hear players-only meeting, first of all, I always wonder, how many teams did Jim Harbaugh have or Belichick have or Andy Reid have that needed to have player only meetings with a winning record. I think Philadelphia has got a coaching crisis. I think Siriani is not a scheme guy, so his teams are very coordinator-dependent, and they

moved up a passing game coordinator who'd never call plays, and now the players are taking it under their own hands. Miami had one of these a couple weeks ago. Two weeks later? Yeah, they lost to Carolina. In fact, they blew a lead to Carolina. So, I mean, this is what Jalen Hertz. Here's how the players-only meeting with three stars went.

That's just us talking about the collective, talking about taking ownership for what we can and talking about how we move forward as a team so we continue to find ways to win games. It's really just teammates being teammates. I know this is a hungry group. I know, I know we're hungry, and I know we're excited for all the opportunity

in front of us to continue to improve. That's what matters most, because we won't go out there and win as individuals. We'll go out there and win as a team. Exactly, but this is an offense that signature play looks like rugby. That's what they are, and it's okay, and everybody should know it. But let's not kid ourselves in the last four weeks. They're targeting A.J. Brown as much as Minnesota is targeting Justin Jefferson.

They're trying. But Carson Wentz, frankly, is a bigger pocket guy than Jalen Hurts. he may be better in the pocket than Jalen Hurts. Not saying he's a better quarterback, but this has always been a non-traditional offense. So I think over the course of Jalen's career, he'll have issues with star wide receivers. Baker doesn't. Tom didn't.

Manning didn't. They're traditional quarterbacks. So that's where we are this morning. Yeah, it's, you know what's funny as I'm watching and talking about baseball, J-Mack? It's really interesting. I don't remember when I was a kid. when I was a kid and when I was a young adult, when I was in college in my 20s and 30s,

I don't remember all these bullpen games. Baseball's had so many changes, but Toronto, you know, they get a buy in the first round, so they're very well rested, and they have a 2-1 series lead, and they're going to go with a bullpen game tonight, which is really interesting, because, you know, it lets New York potentially back into the series. But I think Toronto is so confident with their batters against the Yankee starters that they're like, well, we got through, we got through Rodon, bring your best.

Plus, plus, I mean, when you lead baseball in hits, the entire sport, I mean, you've really seen Toronto on display. The Yankee starters can't get to the third and fourth inning. Well, we know the guy tonight will, but they could go quiet for two days and Yanks take the series. I mean, would you really be shocked? Toronto was up 6-1, Colin. At that point, it fell over, right?

Did it not last night? 6-1? Come on the road? felt like it was a lock for Toronto. Awesome comeback. And you just wonder, does momentum exist in baseball, right? Momentum is only the next day starting pitch. It's the pitcher. Yeah.

Yeah, the Yankees starting pitching against the Blue Jays. The ERA is 16. Toronto's hitting 439, and the Yankees have surrendered four home runs, and the Yankees are averaging 2.7 innings per start. So I think Toronto looks at it and thinks to themselves, Well, we've got a couple more games. We could score 15 runs or more in these two games.

Well, I look at Schlittler, the guy who's a hero from the Boston need. Boston's not Toronto. Boston does not have the lineup of Toronto. Boston was missing one of their best pitchers. Toronto right now is better than Boston then. And it took a deciding game against Boston. So I think Toronto looks at it and thinks, you know, the Yankees aren't a great defensive team. It's not base running.

It's basically, don't let Aaron Judge do what Aaron Judge did last night. That's what you do. The Yankees are top heavy. They're uneven. And last night, Jazz and Aaron made them pay. You want to put us take dinner on it tonight? Yanks win? I got the Yon.

You owe me 16. Oh, maybe 26. Making up numbers here. Okay. Also, a story on Arch Manning that bordered on insane and The Mariners, a game closer. Joel Claptop of the next hour. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app.

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You can go back to Randy Johnson and Ken Griffey and Mark Langston and Alex Rodriguez and Edgar Martyr. This was the team I grew up with as a kid. And yeah, I know I went a little rain man the other day naming the starting lineup for the first mariner game ever, which I had a ticket sitting way up in right field. But there have been a lot of forgettable teams. But they've had really good stars most of the time financially. They just couldn't keep them. But this is a real team.

And what's amazing is considering the payroll is only 15th in Major League Baseball, it's incredibly complete. And you saw it on display as they took the series lead against Detroit and our one win away from getting to the American League championship series. So they went and got E. Swares, I'm not going to try with the first name at the trading deadly. He's a former Mariner. And they got into a bidding war at the trade deadline with Detroit, the team the Mariners

are playing. And they outbid the Detroit Tigers for Swarize. Well, he had a bomb last night. And incidentally, the third base. for the Tigers is struggling. So that's part of the team. They have a power-hitting corner infielder. They also have Cal Raleigh, a power-hitting catcher.

So on the road, they take a 4-0 lead. Their bullpen with one exception, kind of breeze through the Tigers order. They have an elite closer in Munoz, Andres Munoz. So considering this is not a big payroll team, they've got an elite closer, solid starting pitching, don't commit a lot of errors, seventh, fewest in Major League Baseball, Power, at the corner, power behind the plate. It's a really good baseball team. And, you know, again, people outside of the Pacific Northwest haven't paid much attention to it, but they have a bunch of balance. They only have two guys that make over $20 million. They're still young. They got

some guys in arbitration, but it's a very young team of the bright future. The Yankees have four guys making over $25 million, but we've said the Yankees are a very uneven team. The Mariners are not. Power, starting pitching, closer, solid bullpen, a catcher who could be MVP. and now again this is a team that didn't have a playoff win before this series from 2001 until the beginning of this series so it has been an incredibly long drought and it was fitting as they take the series lead that Cal Raleigh went yard here it is the stretch and the pitch swinging a well-hit ball

deep into the gap in left center field this one is going and going and goodbye baseball Cal Rale with a home run the other way into the Mariners bullpull Ben. Yes, Rick Riz, who's been with Seattle, ironically, left briefly to go to Detroit, came back to Seattle. Nice win for the Mariners, Jay Mack. And, you know, we're all kids at some point, who we love that 8, 9, and 10 years old in sports has a place in our heart. eBay sent me a nice mariner zip up.

So I watched with great pride last night as the Seattle Mariners have, they've had bigger stars, but it's a complete team. We've said that's about Milwaukee. Baseball's in a great spot. Milwaukee's small market. They're probably baseball's most complete team. The Yankees have star power, but they're uneven. They're not a good defensive team. They don't run the bases particularly well.

Their bullpen is okay. But you watch Seattle, which I've never considered Seattle a small market. They have Microsoft and Starbucks and Safeco. It's a corporate hub. I don't consider Minnesota and the twins of small market. That's a corporate hub. But in baseball, because there's no salary cap, New York and L.A. can kind of pull away from the world.

world. The agents are not clamoring to get to Minnesota, no disrespect. One of the things Seattle has dealt with for years, it doesn't matter in football because there's only one game a week. But one of the tough things for the Mariners is a lot of players think you have more road trips. Travel. There's more travel.

Now, Miami, you could say, is way down in Florida, but there's a lot of East Coast baseball team. Seattle's out there, you know. Seattle's out there. They had a couple easy trips down the coast, but most of the. the time. Not a lot of teams in the Rockies. Seattle's getting on a plane and flying four and five and a half hours.

And so a lot of players have said over the course of a season, it's hard to be a mariner baseball player. When the Vancouver Grizzlies, by the way, the Sonics are gone. The Vancouver Grizzlies, NBA players would always say, man, every road trip is a long road trip. So that's been something Seattle's dealt with not a big free agent spot, but they've had star power, but I'm not sure they've had a team this balanced and maybe ever. We'll see.

I'm just still startled that the Mariners sent you stuff because you rooted for them in nine. That's amazing. I think this platform helped. Oh, yeah. Well, I was a Yankees fan at 9 when Don Mattingly and they're struggling Yankees in the late 80s. Yeah, but there's a lot of Yankee fans. Yeah, but this platform. JMAQ with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's dive into the NFL, shall we? And the AFC North, the quarterbacks are going, they're dropping like flies. Colin, and Aaron Rogers somehow is the fossil in the division and the Steelers are in first and he's healthy. Go figure. Joe Burrow, not expected back soon.

Lamar, we don't know. Mike Tomlin, no, he's not focused on any of that. Here's your boy, Mike Tomlin. I don't care what happened with other people, particularly last weekend. It's about us coming off the by and getting ready for our game this week. I'm not a big picture guy. I'm not a big picture guy. Listen, he's sitting pretty.

You want to name the other starters in the division? right now outside of Aaron Rogers? It might be Joe Flacco who could start in Cincinnati this week. I think it's... He just got benched by the Browns. I mean, I think sometimes you get good fortune. I mean, there are...

I mean, teams have often benefited in the NFC West when San Francisco's falling apart. So, I mean, I don't think the Steelers are a great team. Even their highly paid defense isn't particularly... It's awesome to marvel at. It's a bottom 10, so. But the bottom line is, Burrow gets hurt a lot. Baltimore's roster gets banged up a lot.

Cleveland's Cleveland. So, I mean, they've earned it. Pittsburgh's found a way to win games inartistically. There's a value in that. They're not pretty. They're a little old defensively in spots. They're very expensive. But you know what?

They got a playmaker in TJ Watt. They've got playmakers on that defensive side. Aaron's not making mistakes. Aaron's throwing the ball underneath, keeping it safe. They got one big play guy in D.K. Metcalfe. I thought losing nausee, their left. tackle and pickens would be an issue. But unlike the Jets, because I do think I thought it was going to look like the Jets, but a better organization, the difference is the Steelers find ways to win

games and the Jets find ways to lose games. In Pittsburgh, there is something to be said about organizational structure and strength and confidence and Mike Tomlin's been there so many times. So you give them credit, I don't think they're a pretty team or a great team. It doesn't matter. They're winning games. Yeah, that's fair. I don't know if we get to Steelers' schedule on the screen, but Colin, let's be real. Their opponents have handed them games. The Patriots had five turnovers. You know, who would you take neutral field right now?

Patriots are Steelers. Give me the Patriots all day. They face Carson Wentz, Drake May, they lost to Darnold and Justin Fields. I know you can only play who's on your schedule. But I'm just saying that back end, okay, the bills are going to fix. They're going to write the ship.

Lamar's going to be fine. I think you're overvaluing how tough the back end. Detroit? That's a loss. Well, I mean, Colts. Colts and Packers are tough games. they get them both at home. The chargers, will they be healthy? They should be by week 10.

Hold on. Hampton and Alts should be back by week 10. The bears could be frisky in Chicago. I think you give them two losses to Lamar, the loss to the bills, loss of the Lions. Listen, you and I like the Steelers this week a lot, okay, irrationally. The line is starting to tick up.

They got the Browns. I just don't like their long-term outlook. That's fair. It was, and what's interesting is Mike Tomlin's team, This is interesting. I don't have it in front of me, but they've not been great in their last five or six games of the year. Why would that be? I've always had this theory that Mike Tomlin is very inspirational and very motivated.

He's not a big picture guy. He is a Sunday guy. And I do think over the course of a season, that plays well early, but players tune it out late. I mean, you can only give so many motivational speeches, and I think it has a great effect early in the season. he's an inspiring guy. He's a great speaker. He's an incredible motivator. But in the end of a season when you're beat up, that's not what it is. It's a Scheme League late because you don't have full rosters and everybody's beat up. And that's why Kyle Shanahan should be coached the year. What Kyle Shanahan's doing in San Francisco is insane. That's amazing coaching. He's got 40% of his top end starters are out. Maybe 50%. So I think what happens with the Steelers is they start well, a lot of motivation, chest out, but then they get beat up. They don't have some of their playmakers.

The margins shrink, and that's when it becomes a scheme league. When situational football matters, we'll see how they play then. And it's still in the honeymoon phase with Rogers and his O.C. Arthur Smith, everybody waiting for that to crumble. Let's go to the next story.

That's your Chicago Bears. Now, do you remember last year when the Bears met the commanders? It was a classic game. One on a Hail Mary. The Bears defensive back was like, pointing at the crowd talking trash as the play starts. Just a memorable Hail Mary.

Well, Ben Johnson is not entertaining any conversations about last year's debacle. Yeah, I mean, you'd have to talk to those guys about it. We're a new team, and we're just focused on winning this game this week. That's exactly what you should say. Stay away. Bad karma to talk about that mess. So where are you on this game? Because I've given it some thought.

Here is the Hail Mary on FX. This is just, and remember the end. zone shot when you had the bare defensive back. I think it was Stevenson was the guy acting. Oh, Lord. This is a he. This is 65 yards in the air by J. It's not all coaching because this happens about once a year.

So there is some value, but you had a defensive back talking to fans, Stevenson. And then he's the one who tipped it. He was out of position. He should have been the back end guy. Commanders are minus four and a half. So they got to win by five at home coming off a big road trip to the Chargers. Where they didn't look good early, but man, did they finish strong, Colin? Last three quarters, they dominated the Chargers.

Bears off of a buy. Do you have any lean here? I like the commanders. Again, Chicago has been an outfit over the last 10 years. They've not been a great road team. I think what you watched, you saw it live last week. Don't forget how great Jaden Daniels was last year last week in that second half. You were watching him throw darts.

No Terry McLaurin last week. He's expected. Maybe he's expected to make. Yeah. This is one of my favorite. plays of the weekend. I like the commanders. McClorin's back. Folks, quarterback play, Jaden Daniels. Don't forget because he's been banged up. How good he was last year. Now this is second year in the system. Now they've got Debo, McLaren back. I think this point forward, the commanders

are going to be one of the hotter teams in the league starting this week. Okay. Final story is, oh, that little team in Kansas City. They are under 500. Collum, we often cannot say that about these lucky guys. Patrick Mahomes spoke about the chiefs needing to quit beating themselves. We kind of crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes and interceptions and fumbles or whatever that is. I mean, it's just we've kind of done that to ourselves all year long. It's kind of been one guy here or there and in this league it's so close that those change games. And so we've got to be better, you know, we've lost too many games already. Well, When you pay the quarterback a lot of money, you've got to get young somewhere.

You've got to get young and cheap. And they've got a lot of young guys on the special teams. I think they had five special teams penalties. So, I mean, that's the reality is when you're paying the quarterback top of the market, Dallas has a little bit of this. It's kind of running back by committee or receiver by committee or special teams by committee. And so they're young. But I think Kansas City's issues holding penalties on punter kicks, that stuff's correctable.

You can get out of that. What about Chris Jones' laziness? and Harrison Butker kicking it out of bounds. Harrison's not having a great year. He's on my fantasy team, I'm aware. He's not having a great year. That's so kickers are, you know, upstairs. They go sideways fast.

We do talk about this in the offseason a lot. One score gains. They were 11 and 0 last year. I know Chiefs fans don't want to hear it. That stuff is fluky. You can't go 11 and 0 in one score games. Well, we knew that. It to happen again.

They're 0 in 3 in those this year. I said, we said before the season started. I had them finishing second in their division at Denver, the wild card team. And I said, if they go 500 and one score games, like if they went four and four, you'd feel pretty good. You'd like to go five and three with Andy Reed. You probably do. But the truth is, recovering fumbles and one score wins, there's a, there's a randomness. It's not totally random because I do think McVease or Reed or Sean Payton, I do think there are certain coaches who do bring out really smart plays situationally.

I mean, why, you know, Andy Reid in Philly and Andy Reid in Kansas City? It's always been good on third down. He's always been good in the red zone. There are coaches that are better. When we watch this past weekend, Sean Payton against Philly, and they go for it on the two-point conversion. It was a great play. Does a defensive coach have that?

And so I think one score wins are not as random as fumble recoveries. I think there's something to be said about. Some teams are better coached, and their better coach team win close game. Josh McDaniels and Brady won a lot of one-score games every year. Yeah, real quick, Chiefs taking money, this was a pick-um. They're out to two and a half. My read is everybody saw the Chiefs look really good against the Jags. I think Detroit's the play.

I think I'm with you here. You're saying four and four and one-score games. We'll see. They've got to eventually win one, right? They're going to eventually win one of these. How do you know it's a one-score game? You think Lions Blast him? I think this is the last game where Kansas City really struggles.

I think they're going to struggle a little bit, and then I think they go on a tear when Rishi Rice comes back the following week. What about Xavier Worthy? Where was he Monday night? Superstar, boy, would you pair Xavier Worthy and Rishie Rice? That's like John Taylor and Jerry Rice. Remember with the Niners linking up? I mean, how do you stop that?

You're having a ball right now because you hate Kansas City? I don't hate them. I got my homes on my fantasy team. rooting for him. I just, I want to be right on my prediction. And I got a good feeling about the Broncos and Chargers in the AFC West. All right. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. So, there was a story yesterday. Was it the Athletic, had the story on Arch Manning, and it was really harsh. You know, the title was, is he the first flop ever in college football? And my takeaway was,

whoever wrote this story does not follow high school football recruiting. I would say 50% of the five-star quarterbacks that come out of high school, 50% aren't half as good as Arch Manning. I mean, Arch Manning does lead the SEC in total touchdowns, and it is a very good defensive conference. I mean, USC had a five-star quarterback from L.A. a couple years ago, hour later, he went to Boise State, now he's at U-TEP. He played Arch earlier this year in Arch 1. And that's Malik Nelson. It didn't play very good. So Arch Manning is just the latest five-star quarterback to come into college football and realize, oh, it's a different sport.

I mean, all you Texas fans, do you remember Garrett Gilbert? I do. He even sounds like a Texas quarterback. Garrett Gilbert. I think he replaced Colt McCoy, if I recall, in that game against Bama. I think so. He never panned out. So I went back this morning, and I went to the 2023 high school football class.

Arch Manning was number one. Nico Iamaliava was number two. He had to transfer or did. Number three was Dante Moore. He transferred. And then Jackson Arnold is a number four. All totally mixed results. Arches struggled.

Nico went to UCLA until last weekend is kind of a disaster. Dante Moore is great. Redshirted has the best teammates around him. And then Jackson Arnold, you know. So my take is what's happening. to Arch Manning happens about 50% of the time to five-star quarterbacks. They get built up, they play on high school football powers with great teammates. Then they go to these big schools.

And I've said this for years. If you think it's hard for NFL teams to figure out what quarterbacks are good in the draft at 22 and 23 years old, try doing it when they're 17 and 18 years old. So, you know, when people say, oh, he's a flop or a bust, you know who a bust is? that guy hanging out outside of a 7-Eleven with a beer belly that's 46, still talking about that big win over Central High, that's a flop, that's a bust. Arch is just the latest five-star quarterback who was finding out, I mean, Nico I Amaliava, Jackson Arnold, Dante Moore, it's rough, it's hard.

And the NFL hit rate for quarterbacks in the first round is about 50%. That's about the high school to college hit rate on five-star quarterbacks. It's amazing how many quarterbacks think about in the NFL right now. Josh Allen was not offered out of high school a Division I scholarship. Aaron Rogers had to go to a junior college. There's not a lot of Peyton Manning Matt Stafford, great high school, great college, great pro. That's actually rare. It is, guy comes in, doesn't fit, has to transfer, fails, or is, or is,

okay, drafted eventually in the fourth or fifth round. So I thought the article listen, I thought it was way too harsh. I think if you follow, I've been following high school football recruiting for 40 years. I mean, you can go to USC a couple years ago. They had a five-star guy. It was in Boise, an hour later. I root for all the kids.

But it just happens constantly. It's really, really hard. Here's Sark on Archmanning after he just lost to Florida. I found out he's a tough dude. He fought his ass off Saturday, and those were not ideal conditions for a quarterback to perform under. Is there a couple throws? I'm sure he'd love to have back, of course. But he stood in there, and he showed a lot of contact courage, taking hits, delivering the ball.

There were some really impressive throws in there, and he battled until the very end. In fairness, Texas has four new offensive line starters, and they're not delivered. So he doesn't have a ton of time. He does hold the ball too long. That's a lot of quarterbacks did. Bow Nix last year out of Oregon. Bo Nix had 61 college starts. He came to Denver with Sean Payton.

He held the ball way too long last year. Bo Nix has sped it up. Archmanning needs another year in college. He needs to speed it up. A lot of that's just, what do you see? Do you see the field? He tends to be, he lets go with the ball too late. He's not yet a great anticipatory thrower.

I'm not a quarterback coach. but I think calling him a flop or a bust, it just, I mean, you're not watching high school football recruiting. I mean, it's just these five-star guys. I mean, I was told like five years ago, Quinn Ewers was the next great Hall of Fame quarterback.

Remember he came out, five-star guy, had a big arm. I was like, no, how'd that go? You'd be amazed how many quarterback, Cam Ward. Go look at Cam Ward's jersey, journey. Go look at Baker Mayfield's journey. I mean, that's typical. go look at Josh Allen or Aaron Rogers. That's actually typical.

That's not the out. The outlier is Peyton Manning or Matt Stafford. And even Stafford had to eventually leave his NFL team and go to the Rams to actually win a playoff game. Like Peyton Manning's an all-time rare. Great in junior high. Great in high school. Great in college. Number one pick.

Great in the NFL. That's like that even John Elway wasn't winning much in college. Mahomes didn't win in college. Josh Allen didn't win in college. That's not the outlier. The Outliers Peyton Manning. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

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Then in prime time after last night's huge rally, Judge and the Yankees continue to fight for their playoff lives against Vladian the Blue Jays. coverage begins next right here on FS1 I kind of take the Tigers will force a final game I think the Yankees Blue Jays I know you think Cam Schlittler is going to throw a no-no

let's this Jays are not the Red Sox Jays are lead baseball and hits Schlittler's turning into Roger Clemens tonight okay also he comes off a great game so now there's a little bit of pressure because there's expectations we're watching him the other game

and we're like who's this guy I mean, Yankee fans knew who he was. He didn't, he didn't. His first start was in like July. Like he didn't. So now, now there's a little pressure. Now there's expectation. He's in, he's locked in, as the kids like to say.

Lock in, Camp Schlittler. Okay. So we all know this. For anybody listening in their car, watching on TV or YouTube, all of us are better when we have that one great boss. And one of the things, it's hard sometimes.

when you work at a company that people are coming and going, you've got a new boss, and they have a new worldview. And I think one of the things that's really important for young quarterbacks and all quarterbacks, do you have an offensive coach? So if the coordinator leaves, you still have an offensive coach,

and offensive coaches have a different sensibility, a softer touch with quarterbacks. So right now, Detroit's on pace. The Detroit lines are on pace. to score the most points in the history of the NFL. Who's the quarterback? Jared Goff. And what's remarkable?

Not that he leads the NFL in completion percentage or passing touchdowns. He's on his seventh offensive coordinator, and he's had one bad season with Jeff Fisher. Every other coach has worked. Two head coaches, seven coordinators, and I said this when he came out. He's durable as hell. Guy never gets hurt.

I mean, he is the only quarterback. to play every regular season game week one at 2022 until today. He's the only one. Crazy durable. He got the you know what kicked out of him at Cal, stood up, ready to play every next Saturday. Six-four, great mechanics, seize the field, really accurate. Yes, Sean McVeigh got him to a Super Bowl.

But we didn't know if Dan Campbell was a good coach. We didn't know. He was an interim before and everybody thought he was, you know, he's kind of a rah-rah guy. Seven coordinators. Jared Goff's folks get used to to say hearing this. Jared Goff's going to be a Hall of Famer. Absolutely

going to be a Hall of Famer. No question. No question is going to be a Hall of Famer. He plays in rhythm. He plays in structure. He got great genetics. His dad played in the Biggs. Jared Goff is going to be a Hall of Famer. You're going to have to you guys out there, this is not the NBA where style

points matter. I mean, Westbrook is a guard that can't shoot. He'll make the Hall of Fame and should. Because his stylistically, Russell Westbrook Athletics, is so memorable and so unique, he should make the Hall of Fame. But he's a guard that doesn't shoot particularly well, which is okay if you're a power forward in the 70s,

but you want your guards to shoot well. And that's not a knock on Westbrook, first ballot hall of famer. But a lot of you guys get caught up on style. This is not the NBA. Style doesn't matter. Style matters in basketball. Basketball is a more artistic sport.

Basketball, everybody's jump shot. Birds look different than Kobe's, look different than Michael's, look different than Dr. Jay, look different than Steph Curry. It's a style sport. It matters. You can be a Hall of Famer and never win a playoff game. But in the NFL, you can't. You got to win playoff games.

And so I know this, you think this is an outrageous comment. I have seen Goff, go back to the game in which Jared Goff, as a ram, outduled Patrick Mahomes, and go look at Jared Goff's receivers in that game. There was no pookha. Right? So Jared Goff's a really good player. And if you ever, here's another thing. Have you ever noticed with Jared Goff that his coordinators get head coaching jobs? He's like a stimulus package.

Every coordinator he has, everybody's like, man, that's a good coordinator. Yeah, because they have Jared Goff. Right now, he's completing over 75% of his throws. Well, he's got a good old line. So to the Colts. So to the Denver Broncos. So to the Philadelphia Eagles. And they can't get their offense right.

Philadelphia's got the best offensive line in football. They can't pass. They can't run. Jared Goff's completing 75% of his throws. Passer rating at 121. He's not real mobile. He's not real stylish. Whatever.

You think I'm crazy. Jared Goff's in his prime. This offensive line in this front office, they just drafted interior offensive linemen. they're not getting rid of Penae Sewell. This offensive line's going nowhere. Nowhere. Rams, his former team have offensive line issues.

Lions won't. Here's Taylor Decker, offensive tackle on what you get. Big praise for golf. We got a superstar quarterback who can do everything, make every throw, knows the whole playbook, knows the defenses, prepares incredibly,

and he's not afraid to take a hit. You know, we don't want him to get it. But if he has to, he's not afraid. Go back to his YouTube his Cal games. I watched them get ragdolled at Cal. Bad offensive lines. The guy kept standing up and taking the hits. You think when I say that, Jared Goff's a Hall of Famer,

all of you were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's not even going to be close. He got to a Super Bowl. Go look at his numbers. They're insane. He's like Kirk Cousins with a much better arm. He's Matt Ryan with a much better arm. There's an argument. Goff's got the best mechanics in the league.

He has great mechanics, super accurate, no ego. And again, we've got a good old line. So does Philadelphia. They can't figure out half their offense. So to the Colts. So to the Broncos. He's second touchdown passes since 2017. Jared Doff.

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