The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Aaron Rodgers has some words for Sean Payton

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

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Sark joining us on the show today. It was very, very hot. We have some El Nino thing going on. We're getting humidity like it's the deep south here in Los Angeles. So I went inside a theater for four hours yesterday. I got there a half hour early. I watched Oppenheimer. And I'm telling you, Jay Mack, you got to go spend three hours and 20 bucks and go watch Oppenheimer.

Powerful. Wow. I'm smarter. It was brain juice. It was just very smart. Very powerful. You go with the family or friends, the wife? No, me.

Solo. I went solo, and it was fantastic. And your family, I know 15 people now that have watched Barbie. All of them think it's a riot. Very funny, very thoughtful. So we got two great movies right now in America, and it's blazing hot. Go to a theater, support theaters. All right.

I'll take your word for it. Okay. So not everybody is supposed to like each other in football. I mean, they tackle each other. I miss the Buddy Ryan Jimmy Johnson days. Mike Dicka didn't even like Buddy Ryan and they were on the same staff. I like that. Not everybody has to get along.

I understand AAU basketball now. Everybody comes up and they're buddies. They're on the same team. I'm not a big fan of that. I liked high school basketball, college basketball. I like Duke in Kansas not getting along and Duke and Carolina not liking each other. And Ohio State and Michigan not liking each other. And by the time they get to be pros, I really don't want them to be buddy, buddy.

I like the Ravens and the Steelers hating each other. I mean, it's just sports. It's not real hate. It's sports hate. You can go to a golf event in the offseason. So Sean Payton blasted former Bronco coach Nathaniel Hackett late last week. Blasted him. And I liked it.

It was authentic. And then Aaron Rogers with Peter Schrager, Hackett's his buddy and his offensive coordinator with the Jets, and he defended him this weekend. Those comments were very surprising for a coach to do that to another coach. it made me feel bad that someone who's accomplished a lot in the league is that insecure that they have to take another man down to set themselves up for some sort of easy fall if it doesn't go well for that team this year.

I thought it was way out of line inappropriate and I think he needs to keep my coach's names out of his mouth. I like that too. I'm okay with Sean Payton saying Nathaniel Hackett stunk. He did. We watched. And I love Aaron Rogers defending his coach. everybody is so inauthentic and edited and everybody's being forced into meaningless apologies.

It's okay. Big strong opinions. People don't like you. It's okay. I'm for it. I'm kind of over everybody being insincere. Everybody being inauthentic. I apologize for this.

Sean Peyton said what he said. Aaron said what he said. I like both. Sean Payton's old school. Parcells, the master psychologist, the five best football coaches of my life. sells as one of them, and he really used the psychological playbook, and so does Sean Peyton. I know him personally.

I like him. Very outspoken, very upfront, and I think that's part of his success. Both Sean Payton and Aaron Rogers are supporting their guys. When Sean Peyton called out Hackett, what he was doing is sending a message to Russell Wilson and his locker room. He was sending a message that it was not Russell's fault. Let's get behind our quarterback. And oh, by the way, Aaron Rogers, with Hackett coming off a disastrous Denver debacle, is

here to support his guy. So if things go south in that early jet schedule, everybody doesn't blame his buddy Hackett. I like it. The quarterback and the play caller have to be tight. McVeigh and Goff in the end didn't trust each other. It unraveled. Kingsbury, Kyler Murray, unraveled this year. Didn't trust each other. Didn't appear to like each other. Aaron Rogers and Mike McCarthy. Aaron would blow off plays. they lost trust. They didn't like each other. It unravels. Those were Aaron's worst years. In the end, the play caller, Sean Peyton Nathaniel Hackett, has to like and trust the quarterback. I don't know if Russell and Peyton are going to work, but you got to go all in now.

Because I watch Goff and McVeigh unravel, McCarthy and Aaron unravel, Kingsbury and Kyler unravel. You got to have a bond. And both guys are supporting their guys. And I am here for it. and I don't need either one to feel bad about it. Peyton said I probably shouldn't have said it. Eh, you did. Life moves on. All right. So one of my favorite days of the year that's not about a game is when Mike Sando,

who's on in about an hour and 15 minutes comes out, it's comprehensive. He gets 50 people in the NFL. He gets about a handful of GMs, scouts, head coaches, coordinators. It is a broad survey, a non-average. survey. So the guys will get quoted, but he won't put a name to it. And it's broad-reaching. I know people that I've talked to that have been in it. It's anonymous. People tend to be more outspoken when they're anonymous. And he calls it his, you know, tiers of quarterback, quarterback tiers, tier one, tier two, tier three, tier four. So tier three and four kind of guys.

But let's look at tiers one and tiers two. So tier one is Mahomesboro, Alan Rogers, Justin Herbert. have any disagreements there. Tier two is Jalen Hertz, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Dach, Prescott, Matt Stafford, Deshawn Watson, and Kirk Cousins. So what separates the tiers? It's not talent. It's a but. Jalen Hertz was great last year, but he lost his coordinator and he's only had one great year. Lamar Jackson is unbelievable, a tier one talent, but, man, he can't stay healthy in December and January last two years. Trevor Lawrence, I love him. He's had one great year.

I think he's going to be a Hall of Fame level quarterback, but he's had one great year. Matt Stafford, he's good when he's healthy, but man, did he age quickly last year? And Dak Prescott in tier two. Well, he's not an elite armed talent. We all know that. Kirk Cousins shrinks in big games. shrinks in big games. Deshawn Watson.

He's talented, but aren't we kind of crossing our fingers if you're in Cleveland that the sort of pre-s suspension Deshawn Watson reemerges? What I did like about it selfishly is that in Tier 2, Dak and Kirk Cousins,

who have often said, DAC is Kirk Cousins with a better brand, are in it. Because I do believe Dak and Kirk Cousins are somewhere between the 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, best quarterbacks in the league. Kirk Cousins doesn't have a huge arm, can shrink, not overly mobile. DAC is mobile, average arm.

Neither one has a lot of playoff pelts. I always feel if they go up against an Aaron Rogers, they are clearly the second most talented quarterback in the field, even if they won. But the difference between Tier 1 in Tier 2 is not talent. I mean, Matt Stafford is in Tier 2. In his Super Bowl year, he threw for over. over 6,000 yards if you count the playoffs. The highest fourth quarter pass rating in the league.

Matt Stafford's a tier one talent. But is he aging really fast? It sort of looks like it. The difference is tier one guys, we don't have any real questions. There's no but. Tier two guys are often more talented. Tier two guys have better Sundays regularly than tier one guys. But the difference between Steph Curry and Jordan Poole isn't really the talent thing.

It's the consistency thing. and so Mike Sando is going to be on later, tier one, tier two. I do think there is one quarterback, just one, in the first couple of tiers that got disrespected. Won't get to it yet, but I absolutely believe there is one quarterback. He's a tier two guy. He's a tier three guy, and I think he really got disrespected. But by and large, it's smart people in the league, executives, coaches, coordinators,

GMs telling you what they think. All right, Jay Mack. So I hope you take my advice and go see Oppenheimer. I'm telling everybody I know I'm texting them this morning, go see it. I don't go to the theater much anymore. But for some reason, it's been really strangely humid in Los Angeles. So I don't feel like going to the beach. I went out for a walk for 40 minutes and I was sweating.

So I went inside a theater and it was fantastic experience. I was in Charlotte for the weekend watching the soccer team. Not we, but me and our group. And I will just say the herd is big in Charlotte. Oh, of course. People's coming up to me. Gigantic. No, I'm serious. By the way, Charlotte's a beautiful, have you been there?

Yes. It can easily walk downtown. It's really nice. Clean, people are friendly. You didn't feel like sketchy at all? Well, well, where are you going that you, it's not clean? I'm sorry, I'm not summering in Charlotte. Well, it's warm, but it's a beautiful part of the country. Yeah, no, no, certainly vibrant nightlife. Like, I was pleasantly surprised by how, like, the city was easily walkable.

Listen, I've been in New York City a lot. I've been in L.A. now. for seven years. Not the cleanest cities, we would agree. Well, Chicago is. New York's got that alley garbage thing, which Chicago's got big wide streets, wide alleys. They put the garbage in the alleys, not on the street. So it's a much cleaner city. Charlotte was lovely. Our soccer team did not do great. Well, that's the breaks. You can't have everything else. Them's the brakes, as my dad likes to say. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard radio app.

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different way to look at this. This is my guess, is that the Colts have a new head coach, Shane Steichen, who has been brilliant. with Justin Herbert as a rookie and Jalen Hertz's development, two for two with young quarterbacks, both who can move, especially Hertz. The Colts GM, Chris Ballard and the Colts owner Jim Ursay have been discussing this, and they drafted a quarterback named Anthony Richardson, who is supposed to be mega-mobile. I watched them for two starts at Florida, big, strong kid, fascinating prospect, but are Chris Ballard and Jim Ursay seeing their.

new coach watching what he did with Herbert and Jalen Hertz, this kid is considered significantly more explosive as a runner and thinking, why do we need to give Jonathan Taylor an extension? Anthony Richardson's going to gobble up 20 to 25% of his rushing yards. Remember, Josh Allen's averaging 700 yards rushing and Josh Allen in those years gives you seven touchdowns. Why pay for a star back? Lamar Jackson, a thousand yards rushing in a couple of seasons. He scored seven touchdowns a couple of times.

Why do you necessarily need to pay a fortune for a running back? By the way, Miles Sanders was very good for the Eagles. They let him go. The key to Jalen Hertz's growth was not a running back. It was A.J. Brown, the O line, and Shane Steichen. So to me, if I'm the Colts, I look at Jonathan Taylor's money and think, I'd rather go get another great offensive lineman and a wide receiver. for what I can play a running back, or at least a B plus wide receiver and a B plus offensive

lineman instead of an A running back, if Anthony Richardson is going to gobble up 20 to 25% of those yards. And Anthony Richardson, he's very much a bigger, stronger Lamar, a bigger, stronger Jalen Hertz, a more mobile Justin Herbert, maybe a more mobile Josh Allen. He's a fascinating player, and he's not ready to sit in the pocket. You know, he needs a couple of years. One of the things I like about mobile quarterbacks, like Hertz, Lamar, and Josh Allen is that while they're learning the speed and learning the NFL position, the pocket

position, right? It takes a couple of years, as they say, for the light to go on. That's the term that's used. If you can run for yards and move the chains and get into the end zone with your legs for a couple years, that's what Russell Wilson did. That's what Josh Allen's been doing. As he tried to figure out the position and get better at the line of scrimmage, Josh Allen was running around, giving you 800 yards and seven touchdowns.

So I'm looking at Anthony Richardson, and people around the league that I I trust her like, this kid's more explosive running the football than Jalen or Josh. He's in the Lamar Jackson-Michael Vick territory where it's like all-time stuff, a thousand yards rushing, six, seven, ten touchdowns. Jaylen Hertz has been giving you 10 touchdowns plus, 700 yards. Why spend a fortune on a running back? He's going to gobble up 25% of the yards. So I know everybody in Indianapolis thinks this is terrible news,

but just a reminder that 15 running backs last year had 1,000 yards. eight missed the playoffs. It would have been nine, but Christian McCaffrey got traded to the Niners. Thousand-yard running backs to 50-50 proposition minimum, probably about 40%. It'll even get you to the playoffs. So I think they're looking at Shane Steichen, what he's done with mobile quarterbacks. Herbert's not your classic mobile quarterback, but he can move. Jaylon Hertz is obviously kind of the hybrid run and throw.

And it's like, we got a star running back. It's called our quarterback. Like, I get it. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I don't think it's as bad as everybody in Indianapolis is portraying it.

Star running backs don't get you to the playoffs regularly. Certainly don't win playoff games regularly. How many was Zeke winning when he was the best running back in the league? How many is Derek Henry winning when he was the best running back in the league? How many was Christian McCaffrey winning when he was in Carolina? It's a quarterback league. I'd rather go buy another receiver. And I love Jonathan.

I think he's terrific. I like Josh Jacobs. But if my, like in, like in, with the Raiders, the quarterback's not mobile. So Josh Jacobs is valuable. Okay, but you know, you could argue in San Francisco. Brock Purdy's not mobile. Christian McCaffrey becomes valuable. If Anthony Richardson or Josh Allen's my quarterback, I don't need to spend a fortune on a running back.

But all I've heard from you about Josh Allen the last few years, well, they don't have a running game. They don't ever, Josh Allen's taking all these hits. He's got to dial back the running. I agree now in year four. Anthony Richardson started 13 college games. This kid needs time to develop the passing part. Let him run for two years like crazy. I think he's going to be, I think he's going to be,

and I had my questions coming out. I can't wait to watch him play. I think with Shane Steichen, he's going to get much better, much faster than any of us think. I would agree, but I just don't like the owner going all Oppenheimer to borrow your movie reference to the franchise. Like, free agents out there are seeing this. You think they see how they're treating Taylor?

And now they're saying, He might have a back injury. Maybe we're not going to pay him this year because he didn't have. And Taylor pushed his back. It's like, what are you doing? He was the best running back in the league two years ago. 1,800 yards, 18 touchdowns. And now you're just basically like, oh, we're not paying you.

Your garbage running backs are trashed. That's what he's saying. Well, I think what they're saying is we have a next level athletic quarterback who is going to develop into a pocket quarterback. But for two to three years, if you watch Alan and Lamar, this is the way it works. Well, how did Jalen Hertz get better? Stuyken and A.J. Brown. Those were key to his development. It wasn't the running backs.

And Miles Sanders is good back. They let him go. There's just so many people saying running backs don't matter. Don't pay them, blah, blah, blah. Then I'm ready to go the other way. I'm ready officially to Zig when everybody's zagging. Because it's just too many people are saying the obvious. And with the quarterback on the rookie deal, you can pay him.

Well. You can pay Taylor. Give him a three-year deal with two years, heavy guarantees. You don't have to give him what McCaffrey got. The most important person for Jared Goff has been his offensive line. It's Andrew Whitworth with the Rams, and it's been Penae Sewell for the Lions. It's never been his running back. What did the Lions do?

They got rid of Jared Goff's running back. By the way, Todd Gurley, in the end, couldn't trust his health. If you go look at like a Jared Goff, it's been the left tackle. Those aren't apples to apples. By the way, how many playoffs wins for Jared Goff so far in Detroit? Oh, wow, okay. Got to a Super Bowl. Yeah. He did, in L.A.

With Gurley, right? Was it with Gurley? Oh, yeah, they did have Gurley. Yeah, that's right. Girlie was eroding at that point. All right, let's start with Brock Purdy. Boy, returning from that UCL tear, four days of practice, and Kyle Shanahan is raving. Here's what he had to say about his quarterback. What are your early impressions of Brock in practice?

I think he's done great. I mean, he's come back. He's had no harm troubles. It's been totally healthy. And I think he's getting all his timing back, his rhythm. I was really impressed with them in his two practices. Basically, that team gets free quarterback play for the next three years. The Colts are getting the same thing, and they added McAfrey.

The 49ers add to McCaffrey. Colts could add Jonathan Taylor. Their quarterback's for free. Yeah, but McCaffrey is, remember, Travis A.T.N. said it this weekend, you've got to add dimensions to your game. Christian McCaffrey is the best receiving running back maybe ever. It's fair. He would be a starting wide receiver in the league.

So McCaffrey is almost a widget, gadget, does a million things. Taylor in his monster season two years ago, 1,800 rushing, 18 touchdowns, and 40 catches. It's okay. It's okay. It's not McCaffrey. So you don't give him as much as McCaffrey. Give close. Quick note, I just looked at the quarterback tiers list.

Do you want to guess where Purdy is? Tier four. Yeah. He's grouped in with Kenny Pickett. Well, he's a kid. Jordan Luck. You can't, you don't know yet. He's a kid.

Seven and O. What do you mean? Well, I know, but he's a kid. One year is, we don't. Jalen Hertz had one year. Well, Jalen Hertz was great by a second year, and nobody thinks Brock Purdy is as talented as Jailen Hurts. Jordan loves in there, Baker, Mayfield, Sam Howell. I think it's a little disrespectful to Purdy, given how good he was.

So Purdy and Mack Jones are very close in this quarterback tiers. Mac Jones is just made to cut off for tier three. Mac Jones is better than Brock Purdy. Yeah, he's more talented. Not just because of a draft position. Is it close for you? Yeah, it's not that far off, but Mac Jones, I think, throws a more accurate football consistent.

If we went into battle, you could have Mac. I'll give you Mac Jones. I'll take Purdy. Okay. Next up, the Cowboys. Now, this is getting interesting here. Zach Martin, integral to their offensive line, continues his holdout, wants a new deal.

Remember, Dak Prescott called for Dallas to pay the man earlier last week. Dak Prescott wants his offensive lineman paid. Jerry Jones was asked about it. Uh-oh. Here's what Jerry Jones had to say. Is there a precedent you don't want to say when it comes to the reason they guys pay late in a long-term contract? It's not about precedent. It's about facts. We need the money to pay Parsons. We need the money to pay the players that we've got to pay in the future.

It's a fact. It's not even a philosophy. It's just a fact. Those dollars are there, and we have this at this level. And if you redid all the contracts, tracks and you never could put a roster together. I think he, by the way, and I'm very liberal use of the word facts by Jerry there. Okay, okay. I like Zach Martin. But Zach Martin has been paid like an elite interior lineman his entire career. He doesn't like the fact now in the later years of this deal, he's not a top paid guard.

Mahomes is the seventh paid quarterback. Memo to everybody in America that plays in the entertainment business, actor, writer, if you sign a five-year deal or a six-year deal, I think Zach Martin signed a six-year deal, the final two to three years, you're taking the security over the most money. Mahomes took the security over the most money. So by the middle to end of your contract, you will not be paid like the latest high-paid interior alignment. What if you're still playing at the high level?

So what? You took the money. If I come to you, I own a business. I come to you and I say, you want the year? of the money and you say, I got a family, I got young kids, I want the six years. Okay, but I'm not giving you the most money and the most years. You got to make a deal. Zach Martin at the time when he got that. Now he's been in the league 10 years, pro-Boulder, I think seven or eight. He's been highly compensated every single year at an elite level.

He's now no longer the highest paid guard. So what? That's the reality of a contract. It's only one data point, but I'm going to go through Zach Martin, his pro football focus ranking at Guard. Number one. So as a first year, he was fifth, then fourth, then first, then first. Fifth, third, second, second, ninth. Like, basically, we're talking about an elite, I don't know about Hall of Fame, one of the ninth best out of 77. Yeah, now that he's an old guy and it's the lowest ranking, he wants an extension because

he sees the truth happening. Right. Those knees are a little sore. Those hands are a little banged up. Here we go. Okay. So Jerry Jones is talking about, we got to pay part. Parsons. Notice no mention of, well, you know, Dax Cap hit soars to $59 million or whatever the

number is next season. This ain't about Michael Parsons only. C.D. Lam's got to get paid. They just paid Diggs. Martin C. and everybody get paid. He's like, what about my chevety? You cannot pay an interior lineman coming off his worst year. Still a good year, but it's still elite. He's still one of the top ten. You know who can pay him? One of those teams with a with a rookie quarterback. Somebody's going to go grab him and pay him. He's going to get paid. And Dallas is going to lose an integral part to that offensive line. Well, if you get an offensive lineman for 10 years, I think this is his 10th year or 11th, and he's been great for all of them, and you've paid him, we don't pay running backs a second big contract. You probably shouldn't pay interior lineman a third massive

contract. And so Zach Martin will play for the Cowboys for 10 or 11 years. I'll just throw a team out. The Titans for four years. Then you call it a career. But we're not going to pay running backs a second huge deal. Probably shouldn't pay interior alignment. A third huge deal. Those are reasonable. Zach Martin's got a $75 million net worth minimum, maybe 100. Yeah, I'm looking at the Cowboys depth chart. Someone named Josh Ball out of Marshall, fourth round pick, looks to be the backup. Should Martin hold out? Now, Josh Ball's a huge guy, 6,8, 315. I know nothing about it. There is a big drop-off from established Jack Martin to someone named Josh Ball. That's a salary cap, hardline sports.

I love this. You can't be, would you rather be great at quarterback or great at guard? At some point, you have to make choices. Like anything else. By the way, I have a small business. You didn't have a salary cap, but I have to make choices. Make choices all the time. Final story.

We got, Dalvin Cook visited the Jets over the weekend. Robert Salah called it a meet and greet. Cook was at practice. And the fans at the practice were chanting for Dalvin Cook. Here's what they said. You'll love to see it. Jets fans fired up about the season. Dalvin Cook signed that contract.

He said that Aaron Rogers is recruiting him. Cook revealed to Dan Patrick that, yeah, that Aaron Rogers is texting him, hey, let's get this done. Aaron also took. I'm a little nervous that no deals like consummated. It hasn't happened yet. I will. I don't think he's their biggest need.

By the way, Aaron took a big pay. So there's some symbolism here. There's a precedent. Aaron saying, listen, if you're just coming to make money, this is not the place. I took a big pay cut. Let's ride this together. Let's be special together. That's what Brady continually sold.

I'm not the highest paid quarterback. Let's do this thing and win games. So, you know, I think that Aaron pay cut is more substantial. I said this last week than people think. It's a symbolic move by Aaron that he can go to all these guys and say, listen, I took $35 million off the table. That's powerful. I'm Aaron Rogers. I took $35 million.

You're Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook would look at it and be like, bro, you've made $200 million in your career. I'm looking for one more. That's all I got. You probably got three more years if you want it. Do you want to win games? We all got to make sacrifices. You're right. That's the truth. But if nobody's paid Dalvin Cook yet and the Jets are offering him, I don't know. What do you think he's going to get? Six?

I don't know. That's not a lot. I just think they have other needs. That's not their need. Sequel and Barclay had to scratch and claw to get a leaven. Who's their right tackle? currently it's McCoy Bechton. Duane Brown's on the left side. Not ideal. And by the way, Beckton's in a contract

here, so watch him play great to get money. Yeah, oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Here comes a disaster. He just tag him. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. It's funny.

These players, you know, they want the franchise tag. They negotiate it. And then when somebody franchise tags them, they're all freaked out. You know, it's like every position in football, like you probably shouldn't give a quarterback a fourth contract, an offensive lineman, a third contract, a running back, a second contract. Nobody's saying running backs won't be drafted. Bejan Robinson just went first round. Zeke went first round.

Barclay went first round. So some running backs make their money early. Zeke's made a lot of money. McCaffrey first rounds made a lot of money. Derek Henry's made a lot of money on a second contract. But when you have a salary cap league in a sport where people tackle each other, it's a question of not about just paying the player, how many contracts do you give them? Running backs, people are reluctant to give them a second big contract.

They'll give them a second contract, not a second big one. I would struggle to give Quentin Nelson a third interior alignment, the shoulders, hands, knees, I'm not going to give you a third contract. So this idea, this is that it's just, oh, running backs are being treated. actually fairly, based on analytics, they're a little bit of a power forward. You know, in the NBA, is there, there's some value, but there are limitations on what they can do in a concert with winning. We haven't had an NFL leading rush or be a Super Bowl champ in a long time. So GMs do have a right to make tough decisions.

They're not always right, but I don't think anybody's picking on running backs. the owners aren't stuffing that money in their pocket. They're giving it to edge rushers, quarterbacks, receivers, tight ends now make more money. They're giving it to other players and other positions. They're just not, they're not being dumb analytically. You've got to be smart about this stuff. You can't give certain players second and third contracts.

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So we're going to win. It's a lay-up. Yeah, but we lead Group E and we control our destiny. So the quarterback tiers came out, and I showed you earlier, Tier 1, Tier 2. And I don't think anybody's being disrespected. I think there's obviously the high end of Tier 2 would be a Jalen Hertz. The lower end would be Kirk Cousins. I do think Jared Goff in Tier 3 is the most disrespected player in this.

So Kyler Murray is ahead of him, but struggles to stay healthy and doesn't get along with anybody. Derek Carr, a second round pick, does not nearly, does not have a ball as good as Jared Gough. Russell Wilson is aging off a terrible season. Tua is not Gough is an armed talent. Garoppelow's not close. Here's some numbers on Jared Gough. Top five offense in the league last year, Detroit Lions. He had a hundred passer rating in the fourth quarter, among the best in the NFL. He has 31 games in his career over 300 yards passing. That's the fourth most ever in a quarterback's first seven years. I've seen him go toe to toe with Patrick Mahomes and beat him. I've seen him in shootouts with great quarterbacks. He had a higher

passer rating last year than Justin Herbert, Dak, Aaron Rogers, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. And the knock on him has always been, well, he's not real dynamic. All right, either was Brady. He can move left and right. He's not a guy that's going to get extra yards off script. He throws an absolutely beautiful ball. At Cal and in L.A. and Detroit, he's always available. He's never hurt. He gets along with teammates. I just, and by the way, you can no longer say it's McVeigh. He's now worked in two offensive systems with two head coaches and multiple coordinators. So here's another stat to throw at you. Dan Marino and Matt

Stafford are the only two quarterbacks in league history to get to 25,000 yards faster. And that's with it both Los Angeles with Gurley and Swift into with good capable running backs. I don't think Detroit right now, Amaran St. Brown's good. I don't think they have a dynamic receiving core. They also got rid of their top tight end last year. So it's like in Los Angeles, they had Robert Woods, they had Cooper Cup. Some of that Cooper Cup was a kid at an eastern Washington. It took them until year three to pop. So I don't really get the disrespect for him. There were a couple of quotes because the quarterback tier that Mike Sando does. He gets

quotes from all over the league. Three of the quotes on Jared Gough where I gave Jared a tier three, probably a little low. If he has a great year again, I'd put him in tier two. That's where I think he belongs. Another offensive coach said, I saw the tape. He was absolutely dynamite last year. He gets the most out of what he is. A third said, Jared got a bad rap in L.A.

He has that California vibe, but is way tougher than people realize. Should be noted at Cali, got the crap beat out of him and didn't miss starts. You saw when he won a playoff game with a football game with a broken thumb, set a defensive play caller. He's tougher than you think. So I think a lot of it with Goff, he's sort of emotionally remote. He doesn't have a big brand. He kind of hides. He doesn't, he's like a little Justin Herbert. He doesn't want the press. He's going to do his own thing. There is a California vibe. He's just, he's kind of chill. So is Matt Stanford. What do I care? Jaylen Hertz is kind of chill. What do I care? But I think he's a really good quarterback.

I think some of it is, you know, he's kind of slender. He doesn't look dynamic. He doesn't play with a lot of style, but I saw him go toe to toe to toe with Mahomes on a Monday night football game, and I mean match him throw for throw toe to toe. I thought it was one of the best, probably the best Monday night football game I've ever seen. I mean, probably the best quarterback showdown. I've ever seen in a Monday night football game. Remember it was supposed to be in Mexico? Then they moved it to the Coliseum. It was unbelievable. And I mean, he outdued Mahomes. So I don't know. I like Jared Goff more than people do. And I think Detroit's going to win their division and he's going to win another division title. I think he's

pretty good. Can I give you one number on Goff that my buddy Adam churnoff dug up. This is staggering. So last season, the defense was so bad that Detroit's offense took 65% of their snaps when trailing. 65. So when I hear you say Goff was like the number one, fourth quarter, a rate pass-or rating, a lot of that's not garbage time, but they're trailing, they're in comeback

mode, and the defense is kind of playing soft. And I wonder how much more upside does Goff have, right? He had elite offensive coordinator, and the offensive line was top five in the league. They didn't really add to their skill position, guys. Like, can he be better? Let me take that number. and switch it on you. The difference between the have and have-nots in this league

quarterbacks is what? How are you trailing? Baker Mayfield looked good when it was third and one because of an eight-yard Nick Chub run. Every quarterback in this league looks great when nobody knows you're throwing. What separates Mahomes from the entire world, separates him, by the way, from Aaron Rogers. Mahomes is the best trailing in the second half quarterback of my life. Elway is the only quarterback that's close. Brady was great. He's not Mahomes. Elway was great. He's not Mahomes. That's what separates. So Gough is throwing to an average receiving core that bailed on their best tight end. With Dan Campbell's coach, he's throwing and everybody in the joint knows he has to throw. A, he's trailing and B their defense stinks. He only has one

way to win. Shootout. So everybody always looks at that. Well, you know, he's trailing. I know it's harder to complete passes when you're trailing. It also allows an edge rusher. Max Crosby knows you're trailing. You've got to throw. Von Miller knows. I think the separating line in this league is not arm strength, is not maturity, although it matters.

Can you throw trailing? That's what always undid Baker. Some maturity issues, some athletic limitations. Once everybody knew Baker was throwing, the linebackers drop into coverage. There's no cushion between linebacker and safeties. Baker was a very average quarterback. Baker leading with Nick,

remember when Baker got into the league? The O-line was great. Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, they had a great run game. Baker's thrown on second and four and third and one. Everybody in the world looks great. Tyrod, Taylor could be an all-star, and nothing against Tyrod, but guys that we see as kind of backups,

Colt McCoy with a great run game. Tannahill was a number one. seed with a great run game. When you're throwing on third and two, I could go down the line of what we think are average quarterbacks or like, you know, you're kind of secondary guys. Like you're colds, you're tight. There's a lot of good like Gardner Minchu. Gardner Minchew with a run game doesn't all of a sudden you're like, oh, it's pretty capable. What if Gardner Minchew trails 24-7? Gardner Minchew looks like a third string quarterback. So Goff's doing this, trailing with a bad defense, everybody

knowing the yard he asked to throw. And he's still putting up huge numbers. So I'm not, nobody thinks he's not dynamic enough. He's not, you know, hurts his dynamic. Josh Allen's dynamic. He's not dynamic, but he was a number one pick out of Cal. Think how good Aaron Rogers is out of Cal dropped. Cal doesn't have number one picks, right?

Like we don't look at Cal. He played with average guys and ended up being number one. So I think he's pretty good. By the way, another thought about running backs. I'll just throw this out. Do you see that both Kenneth Walker and Zach Charvonneux for the Seahawks are both hurt for some time? Okay. So one of the guys on the team this morning looked this up.

In 2018, there was a study by position, by position. running backs led in injuries per game and average injury length. Running backs in the NFL finished dead last in average games available. And by the way, I like Walker and Zach Charbonny out of UCLA. I thought he was a really good pick. He'll be a really good player. But when you're wondering why this avalanche of media coverage that is pro-running back in anti-analytics, it's dumb.

running backs lead the league in injuries, and average injury length is longer. They're just not available. I mean, they break. I don't care if it's a sporting analogy or it's, you know, there's a reason I don't buy expensive sunglasses or socks. They tear and they break. Like if you are playing a position in the NFL that is more injured and injured for longer,

that's why they're not getting massive second contracts. That doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for people. But this is like anti-intellectual. It's anti-analytics. It'd be like not shooting threes in the NBA. You've got to shoot. It'd be in baseball being paralyzed by strikeouts. You should be paralyzed by ground balls, not strikeouts.

You know, launch angle. There's a reason people talk about it. So this is not, I mean, Kenneth Walker is really good. He played, I think one year he was a trans. for one year at Michigan State. I think he led college football in yards after contact. He's a great running back. Second year, already hurt again.

And I like him. Charvone's terrific out of UCLA. A plant and go guy really good. He's hurt. And both appear to be like not going to play until the season starts. So there you go. When things break regularly, whether it's an athlete or it's a household item. It doesn't matter what it is, not perfectly analogous,

but you don't want to spend big money on him. so I thought it was interesting. Seattle now they're top. And I think, by the way, that's why Seattle drafted high, another running back, because they were worried about Kenneth Walker how hard he runs and that he already got hurt in year one. So he's young and already hurt. I'm not anti-rower, for the record, I'm not anti-running back. But the owners aren't stuff in the money in their pocket.

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