The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Aaron Rodgers wasn't happy

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

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Be sure to catch us live every weekday from 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Find your local station for the Hurt at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Hurd. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome to the herd. It's me, Jason McIntyre, in for vacationing Colin Cowherd. I believe he is on maybe a, I don't even know what the word is for it, but he's somewhere in Iceland enjoying a nice respite.

I'm joined today by Alex Curry. Alex, how you doing? I'm doing great. How was Paris? You were also vacationed J-MAC, which one of my favorite places. I got to spend like six weeks. for the World Cup in 2019. So tell me.

Favorite part. I got less than a week there, but it was incredible. Arc de Triumph was amazing. The Eiffel Tower was decent. The food? The food, the people, the vibes, the energy. The culture. Listen, I mean, Paris, probably now on my favorite cities

would have to be after New York in the world that I've been to as just fun. Are you a traveler? Have you gone to Europe often? Listen, you know, I actually have in the open that I'm going to say, it's tough to travel when you're doing the sports stuff. You can't travel during football season. It's kind of relegated to summer when all the tourists are out. It's difficult, but we got one in during the NBA playoffs.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It's good to be back. Obviously, the calendar says June 1st. And Alex, I don't know if you know. June 1st, a big day for me. Seven years ago, today we moved the family from Pennsylvania out west. So this is my seven-year anniversary at Fox. Very exciting.

And you moved to my hometown. I did. enjoying the South Bay greatly. While I was on vacation, obviously, you know, some NBA happenings occurred, and we'll get to the NBA finals, obviously Nuggets versus the heat. I thought it was going to be Celtics. We'll get to that shortly. A couple good wagers in play for the series.

But I do want to start with a big kind of bombshell that dropped in the NFL. You know, sometimes when you get new information, you've got to change the way you look at a story. And for the longest time, Aaron Rogers had kind of been wacky guy, you know, issues with his family. He's jetting around between celebrities and just kind of one of these guys that we couldn't really get a handle on. And now you got a big story that dropped the athletic at it that Aaron Rogers back in 2021 tried to fire his GM, Brian Gutikunz, who had been with the organization for 20 years. Now, obviously, you know, when you get somebody who's been with the organization that long, I believe he had been GM since 2018. You need some context. Why would Rogers want this guy out?

why would he do that? Why would he push a power play? And I think the answer is simple. And you've got to look around the league and you've got to look in your own life and say, wow, maybe I agree with him. So the context is in 2020, Aaron Rogers, coming off a good year, they went 13 and 3 in 2019. And the Packers decide, lo and behold, we're going to not help out the defense, which just got shredded by the 49ers in the NFC title game. They lost 3720. The Niners memorably had like eight pass attempts in the entire game. And the Packers, you know, they could draft defense to bolster the roster and Aaron Rogers gets word from his agent. They traded up for a quarterback. And Rogers kind of went into a tailspin and I don't think you can

blame him, ladies and gentlemen. Just think about this briefly. You have your job, wherever you do, maybe you're banging out TPS reports in the office or wherever you work. And all of a sudden one day your boss comes to you and says, hey, we just hired this new guy. I want you to introduce him. I want you to kind of mentor him and I want you to tutor him. And you look up this new gentleman who was hired and you're like, wow, this guy's kind of on the same track that I am. He's kind of in my role. Did they just hire my replacement? And you know, Aaron Rogers looks in the mirror and says, wait a sec, I'm in my 30s. You guys just drafted a quarterback who was mediocre at best in college. And let's be real, Jordan Love, I think his highlight was leading the country in interceptions, his final year in college.

And Aaron Rogers was ticked off. And this can go one or two ways when this kind of thing happens. You know, you could do door number one. Hey, I'm going to be motivated and I'm going to kill you I'm going to show them. Or you could go number two and say, hey, this is unacceptable. I've been with the company for a decade. Okay? I'm your guy. Blood, sweat and tears poured into this organization.

I'm out. And you could reach out around the league or in your job. You could reach out in your landscape of work and say, hey, I need a new job. I'm getting out of here. And it's funny, but we have seen this before, ladies and gentlemen. High profile quarterback, mid-30s. had a good but not great year. And they went and drafted his replacement.

Let me introduce you to Tom Brady and the New England Patriots. Who could forget 2014? The Patriots go and draft Jimmy Garapolo, a little known quarterback. It was not a trade up in the first round. I believe he went second round. And the context here is I was at that NFL combine right before Garapolo was drafted. There was some buzz. Yeah, Garapolo could be interesting.

But Patriots with Brady locked in? And you know what Tom Brady did, of course, memorably? took it as motivation. He said, you're going to draft my replacement? Tom Brady went on to win the Super Bowl the next year. Remember the awesome Super Bowl he had against Seattle where he drove the length of the field twice in the fourth quarter against the best defense in the league, the Legion of Boom,

and the Patriots win Brady's Super Bowl MVP. He showed them. He showed Belichick. Hey, you're going to draft my replacement? And of course, Brady went on to win another Super Bowl. Patriots capitulated and said, okay, fine, fine, we messed up. We'll ship Garapolo out of town. That was not good enough for Brady. Everybody knows he ended up leaving to go to Tampa where he won another Super Bowl.

And then he really showed Bill Belichick how he made just a catastrophic mistake drafting Garapolo. And now you look at Aaron Rogers and folks, let's be real. Aaron Rogers used it as motivation the year after Jordan Love was drafted. What did Rogers do? He threw 48 touchdown passes, nearly doubled his output from the year prior. Motivation. You drafted my replacement? bleep off Brian Gutikunst.

I'm going to go win an MVP. And then the year after, he won another one. But the problem here is he tried to get Gutikun's fired, according to the story, and the Packers refused to do it. Now, that's where it gets dicey. The Patriots said, we will trade Garoppolo. The Packers, they refused to trade Jordan Love. Aaron Rogers unhappy. Aaron Rogers forced his way out.

Can you blame him? Just think about it for a moment. Can you really blame Aaron Rogers? for demanding they fire the GM. It doesn't happen. And then Aaron Rogers bailing. I think this story coming out now, what, a couple weeks, three weeks after the Jets land Aaron Rogers

in what everybody thinks is like a massive win, Jets finally have a franchise quarterback. And everybody's questioned, well, Aaron Rogers, that's a wacky guy. He went on to Darkness Retreat. He's going to Taylor Swift concerts in New York now with the guy from Top Gun Maverick, Miles Teller, his actor buddy. This is a new, this is a new Aaron Rogers. As a Jets fan, and everybody knows,

I've, you know, born in New York, massive Jets fan, I think you've got to look at this, like, wait a minute. Maybe Rogers isn't that wacky dude who goes from dating celebrities to having issues with his family and his brother. And maybe this is like a genuine, I'm ticked off at a franchise. I poured my life into for a decade. I would stand out in the community. I was a leader on the field, as a leader, not always, but occasionally off the field. And you're going to kick me to the curb in my mid-30s for my replacement. Like, how do you expect him to respond? I think it's a normal reaction that Tom Brady had in New England and that now Aaron Rogers

had in Green Bay. And the Packers, well, they're up the creek without a paddle. They now have to hope that Jordan Love is their guy replacing Rogers. And folks, this is going to reflect poor. on the GM if Jordan Love is not able to deliver. Meanwhile, Aaron Rogers, you got to be excited if you're a jet fit. Now, I know the deal is kind of front-loaded and if he doesn't play enough games or snaps or whatever it is, that yeah, maybe he steps away and the Packers don't get a number one pick. But if you're a Jet fan, I think you've got to be excited that

perhaps this is a motivated Rogers. Maybe he's going to be as motivated as Brady was to go to Tampa and win a Super Bowl. And, you know, last week, Colin, alluded to Rogers looking younger and more into it. Almost a different guy. He's a different dude in New York because he's away from that toxic environment where he wanted the GM fired. The GM would not fire him. The president would not fire the GM. And Rogers is kind of like stuck in no man's land. I'm delivering. I got you guys two MVP awards. I put us in position to win the Super Bowl. I know he didn't deliver. He didn't actually win the Super Bowl. And you can go back to that tough inside the 10 play where he could have

maybe run in the NFC championship game against the Bucks. He could have maybe run for the touchdown. Did not quite get there. They opt to kick the field goal. You know, that's history. But if you're a Jets fan, this is a great day feeling that, wow, we could have Aaron Rogers, not one year, but maybe two years. We don't have to worry about that Zach Wilson nonsense.

But I will say this whole idea of trying to move on from a superstar, I did some reading on vacation, and I came across this Russian proverb where you try to wash the bear without making him angry. And you know that, of course, is impossible to wash him, get a bear's fur wet, and he's not going to get angry. That's impossible.

It is extremely difficult to do that. We've got a franchise quarterback. He's getting up there in age, and we do want to move on. How do you delicately do it? You know, we saw this with the Golden State Warriors, ladies and gentlemen, James Wiseman,

Jordan Poole, Jonathan Cominga. How tough was that season? It just happened. Steve Kerr and Draymond Green. Yeah, the punch kind of ruined it. Jordan Poole, we gave him the big contract. Now, Clay Thompson's all worried.

Is he going to get paid? Draymond's upset that maybe Jordan Poole's the new Clay. Jordan Poole's running his mouth. It is extremely challenging for these organizations to have a franchise guy and pivot to the next generation without falling off a cliff. I'll go back to Dan Marino memorably in Miami. They had their guy. They get to a Super Bowl. Never got back there again.

Had Dan Marino for 15 years. You got your franchise quarterback. You lose him. And now you're in the wilderness. The Miami Dolvets haven't done jack squat since losing Marino. And I don't want to be too negative here on the Packers. But actions speak louder than words and their actions toward the Jordan Love contract. Not great.

They did not do the fifth year option. They give them an incentive-laden one-year extension. It almost reads as if they're not sure Jordan loves the guy. And now will Green Bay be in the wilderness looking to replace Farrv and then Rogers and then forever? It's going to be extremely difficult. So very challenging for the Packers, very optimistic for my Jets. All right, we got a big, big, big show today.

A couple great guests. We're going to get to D'Andre Hopkins landing spots with Albert Breer, Eric Mangini. Got Rick Buecker, my guy, stopping by. We will talk about those warriors. A couple of head coaching moves in the NBA. Alex should be a good one. NBA finals, game one tonight. We won't give away our picks yet, right?

It's too early in the show. But, I mean, June 1st, your anniversary of moving to the West Coast, NBA finals starting today. It's a big, it's a big celebration day. You got a monster show today. Yes, yes. All right. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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I was on Instagram, which is fun. But this Miami Heat team, like they nearly collapsed against Boston. Somehow we're able to pull it out in game 7. Jason Tatum hurt his ankle. and the heat advance of the finals. And it sets up a finals that a lot of the NBA purists are into. Denver Nuggets, who everybody loves, and the Miami Heat, just a great underdog story.

But, of course, you've got, you know, the social media types who are like, oh, nobody's going to watch this. The ratings are going to be awful. Like, nobody cares about the ratings, guys, unless you're a TV executive. That's just how it is. It's actually a great finals because it really pushes back against what I like to call the calculator crowd.

Okay, we've seen this for a while. Analytics have overtaken sports massively. And it's kind of pushed a lot of fans out. We know baseball was kind of first to usher in the moneyball era with the A's, and then the Red Sox, and then everybody's doing moneyball. NFL has kind of gone that route more in recent years where running backs just don't really matter anymore. They're devalued.

You do not give them the second contract. Point out Zeke, Christian McCaffrey ends up getting traded. Linebackers. Remember when middle linebackers roamed and they were dominant. You needed a middle linebacker, tough guy in the middle. And now it's like, who pays linebacker? Like, is there a ton of value in them? Smart teams, they don't pay linebackers. And then, of course, there's the, you need a quarterback on the rookie deal so you can make a deep run and load up

at every other position. Like, there are, analytics really are into football more than they ever have been. And so you've got basketball, and they really have been pushed by analytics a lot. I think in a good way. I'm a three-point guy. You know, my men's league, I'm a three-point sniper, or I like to think of myself as it. But now, in the NBA, it's basically threes or dunks. That's it. And the Miami Heat have totally flipped that narrative completely with this run to the finals because they were the 27th ranked team in threes during the regular season. 27! That's staggering. You know what they are in the NBA postseason? First, how on earth could a team that was so bad from deep for an 82 game sample all of a sudden

flipped the script and a 17-18 game sample size? And now they're the best three-point shooting team? And then you combine that with, you know, in the NBA, a lot of people, the NBA draft is coming up. I did a mock draft recently for Fox Sports. And a lot of it is measurements. What's your length like? What's your wingspan? They care so much about that. Three and D.

Can you defend multiple positions? Look at the Miami Heat how they're built. 52% of their points against the Celtics in that seven game series came from undrafted players. Duncan Robinson. Caleb Martin, who was nearly the MVP of the Easter. conference finals. Caleb Martin, okay? Max Struths, Gabe Vincent, how were they doing this? They have broken a lot

of the models that the NBA look at and now you're shaped up with, well, wait a sec, is this just an outlier, a one-off, Miami got lucky. Did they get lucky to beat the Bucks? They were big dogs against the Bucks. I know Yannis got hurt against the NICs. They were slight underdogs. I picked the NICS in that series.

Against Boston, they were big underdogs. It's like, how are they able to continually pull this off with undrafted players and garbage stats from the regular season? And I say garbage because they are the only playoff team this year with a negative point differential this season. They're the first NBA team, I believe, in 60 years to make the finals with a negative point differential. Folks, none of this adds up. The analytics guys are like the shrug emoji. What do we do? How is this happening? It doesn't make any sense. Now, of course, for Denver,

it makes a ton of sense. They've got the best player in the league in Yokic, but also a bit of a change in the narrative. It's been a wing league. Centers have been kind of shoved out. Right? Remember the Patrick Ewing, Olajuwon, David Robinson? That was the era I grew up in. Centers were everything. You had to have a center, a big lumbering dude back to the basket. Those don't really exist anymore. Enter Nicole Yokic, a second round pick, who is now greatest player in the league. I'm sorry, no disrespect to Joel Embed. He should not have been the MVP. We discussed this at length. But Yokic is now the first really big man that's been the center of a team since wait for folks. Shaq? I know some people will say Tim Duncan, but if you want to say Tim Duncan, I'll buy it. But by the way, when they won in 2014, Kauai was the MVP. Duncan was a little old. So centers, are they back now in vogue with the Goliokic? There's just so many great angles to this series. I'm supremely fascinated by it. I'll be watching tonight. My official pick, I took Nuggets in 7 just because hard of a champion with the heat,

even though they haven't been a champion with Jimmy Butler yet. This Eric Spolster stuff, and I got to give Colin credit, he was early on this. Spolstra, one of the best coaches in the league. Folks, this is staggering. Spolster's going to his six finals. You know how many Steve Kerr's been to? Six. You know how many Popovich has been to?

Six. Spolster's in that class right now. Okay? Anytime LeBron leaves a franchise, they fall off a cliff. They don't do anything for a while. They're done. Okay? LeBron left Miami.

Spolster was able to recalibrate pretty quickly. quickly and they're back in the finals for the second time. That's pretty damn impressive. I think Spolstra, if you're doing a Mount Rushmore for coaches in the league right now, Spolstra has to be on there. Let's go to Alex Curry with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's get started in the NFL because Jimmy Garoppolo signed with the Raiders back in March, but it's a lingering foot injury from last season that held up his contract. And according to reports, Garoppolo decided to sign a waiver.

in place of taking a physical with the Raiders to finalize the deal. Now, this waiver indicates that if he were to re-injure that same foot, the team could cut him and be free of guarantees in his contract. So my biggest question here is, why would Jimmy sign something like this? He is an injury-prone quarterback. Now, when he's healthy, he's a winner, and he's great. But the best ability is availability, and Jimmy has only played one full season. in 2019 without an injury.

Every other season, he's missed games due to an injury. Now, remember, this is only if he re-injures that broken foot, but that's an incredibly high risk for Jimmy G., someone who's always injured. What are your expectations for Jimmy G with the Raiders this season? That's tough, right? You know, you've got unhappy Devante Adams now because of this. Josh McDaniels, I don't know, can we call him on the hot seat? Is he one of those coaches that kind of has to win?

He still hasn't been there very long. But, I mean, this is another Bill Belmont. Belichick disciple who we know the history of them have not been great. And now your quarterback is coming off another injury. I do wonder, why didn't he get the surgery with San Francisco when he was injured? Do you think he thought maybe I could come back? I could fight back and maybe play in the Super Bowl if we get there? It's so interesting because he had, it was such a weird dynamic.

You know, he was still there, but he was also just kind of helping that next, his like next generation. And he handled it with grace, and he handled it beautifully for a veteran quarterback. So I don't know. It could have also been like, hmm, well, if you're not, if I'm not going to be a guy. Bad advice from the doctors? Yeah, I don't know. I feel bad for Jimmy because I had wanted him on the Jets. I don't mind taking an L here.

That's fine. Like, obviously the Jets knew something about this. I didn't or maybe Rogers. Well, yeah, he didn't take a physical. Yeah. He signed a waiver in place of taking a physical. There's a world where... Because he wasn't going to pass.

This Raiders team could be one of the worst in the league. If Garapolo can't play members still. Stidham went to the Broncos. He was the backup. I mean, if this doesn't go well for Jimmy G, there's a chance the Raiders are like a four or five win team, maybe worse than the league. So like tank and try to get the first

pick in the draft next year, which like you have one of the hottest quarterbacks hit in the draft next year. I'm sure Josh McDaniels would not hate that. Yeah, there's a lot of different reasons. It's also kind of looking like, did they make the right call by doing Derek Card dirty the way they did and releasing them. That's another good point. Yeah. That's like maybe you should

have kept him for one more year. There's a lot of a lot of question marks here. Shocking. Josh McDaniels is going through hurdles again. We didn't see that in Denver. We didn't see that in the Colts where he was for what, like five minutes before he was like, oh, no, I don't want to coach there. I mean, it just, you know.

Yeah, but now Tom Brady is part of the ownership group. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a new thing. Oh. So maybe. Maybe that'll help something. Can he play quarterback as an owner? I don't think so.

No. All right. Let's move on to the NBA, where Monty Williams has reportedly agreed to a six-year 78.5 million dollar contract to become the head coach of the Detroit Pistons. Now, Williams was fired earlier this month after four seasons with the suns, including a final's appearance. Now, according to Wojj, this would be the largest coaching deal in NBA history, which I think probably one of the main reasons why you decide to go to a place, but also he now gets a younger group of guys that he can mold possibly into the team that he wants.

He's dealt with a lot of superstars, and we've heard from a lot of those superstars how much they respect Monty Williams and what he means to the team. He has a players coach. Players love him. And looking ahead, the Pistons hold the fifth overall pick in this month's NBA draft. So there's a lot of positives. It's going to be a lot of hard work. Yeah. So the other thing I saw, Alex, because the sons owed him something like $20 million, he could have just not worked for a couple years and collected tons of money.

I know that's tough to say. That takes a certain kind of person though. Like, he's not that kind of person. He's got a family. You know, he's got young kids. I know what happened with the family was a little very tragic. But if you love the game, you want to be playing. You want to be coaching.

$21 million to not work. I mean, Alex, that's a ton of money. It is. To not work. Now, his contract, six for 78. That's massive. Now, there's going to be some headaches in Detroit. A lot.

Who's their best player? Cade Cunningham? Jaden Ivy's good. Yeah. They traded for wise men. It's a lot of young guys and he could possibly have control over the narrative on the team. Yeah, the GM, Troy Weaver, pretty good coming from OKC. I don't know.

I mean, that's a lot of money to turn down, but not working for $20 million, Alex. I know. You could have a lot of fun for three years if you're Monty Williams. I love working. I would like go crazy if I wasn't working. I'm one of those people. I like to be busy. I like to be doing things.

But nobody was offering you $20 million to not be working. No. True, true, true. Okay, let's move on. Bob Myers is officially stepping down from his role as the president and GM of the Warriors. While we don't know what the next step for Myers will be, but reports indicate that the Clippers should be a team to watch after their GM left for The Wizards. Now, you have a guy in Bob Myers, who is a huge piece of that Warriors dynasty.

The Clippers should be doing everything in their power to be going after this guy, Because the clippers, from what we've thought, year after year at the beginning of the season, they have the pieces, they have the potential, and they just haven't figured out how to make it work into the postseason. And Bob Myers has obviously experience with star players. He was a part of KD coming over to the Warriors. So he knows how to make that happen, how to make room on a roster in the lineup. So it's, he can help bring a winning formula wherever he ends up and wherever he goes. I don't want to give Colin credit again, but he did say maybe Myers doesn't want to stay in Golden State because cleaning up that, I don't want to call it a mess because, you know, they want to want to bunch championships. But it's very delicate with the clay situation.

He wants to get paid. Draymond, what do you do? The Jordan Poole situation. Like, it's not an easy fix in Golden State. No. And they're also kind of at the end part of their dynasty. Like they're still, they still have their core guys. But they're all in their 30s.

Yeah. Yeah. It's the back end. end of their dynasty. Like there's still potential. They just won recently. So it's like they can do it. That's a tough job. It's a tough job. I mean, listen, but Clippers, he would be heavily motivated. Now listen, Clippers aren't easy, Alex, because you got to decide what you want to do with Paul George and Kauai Leonard. Can he fix that though? I don't know. I mean, all they do is underachieve. Like, do you want to go to an organization? There's like potential. Yeah. But maybe he could

bring in that missing piece, figure out why they aren't able to kind of reach that. And that. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. There's, postseason goal. What would you rather have done? Stay in Golden State? I don't know if that was an option for Myers or go to the Clippers. Now, sons also are missing. You know, you created a dynasty and you were a part of a dynasty. Why not see what you can do next? It's personal preference at this point. Yeah. It's a tough one. I'm going to punt on what I would do because I don't think it's an easy. I don't think it's an easy choice. Like, I know the owner of the Clippers has more money than God. Yeah.

But I don't know that I want to go to that team. Like, I know people think cursed is like a joke. Every year it's something with them, Alex. And you're always going to be second fiddle to the Lakers. Who are, Lakers are closer to a championship now than the Clippers are. I know. But the Clippers are finally, they're moving out of the building. They're moving out of crypto.

They're building their own stadium over by SoFi. So they're going to have their own space now, not be the only team playing in crypto without a banner on the wall. Have you seen? It's brutal. I went by SoFi for a Nerf Gun battle recently. I saw that. So amazing.

I highly recommend it. And Englewood is like going off right now. Oh, it's insane. So much new real estate. Yeah. Because the stadium is like at the heart of it. And I think it's basketball only, so there won't be anything there. But basketball games, because Ballmer can afford it.

Yep. It's going to be great. And you have the forum right there too. Indeed. Yes. Yes. Yes. Alex with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. All right. Coming up next, I think we have a really good guest. Listen, I don't want to keep pushing the Jets narrative, but... Yes, you do. We do.

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when I first started at Fox, I would do the shows and I would run into coaches here, and I'd be just in awe. As a Jets fan, I ran into Eric Mangini, and I was like, what do I say? You know, it's kind of in awe. And now I'm interviewing him, and I know him pretty well. Been talking to him for five years now.

Let's bring in Eric Mangini, Fox Sports NFL analyst, spent three years with the Jets, spent some time with the Browns, obviously in New England. Eric, how's everything going, man? Things are great. We're still out in Cleveland. We don't quite have the beautiful weather you have. Yes.

And you've enjoyed over the last five years. Yeah, obviously very nice out here. All right, let's start Eric with the Dandre Hopkins News. He was released by the Cardinals who appear to be tanking, but we don't really care about them. Hopkins made it sound like he wants to go to a contender, play with Patrick Mahomes. It almost feels like there's two options.

He can try to take as much money as he can from a team that can pay him or maybe take a little less on a one-year deal and play for a winner like the bills or the chiefs. If you're instructing Hopkins, what's your advice to D.Hop? Well, I like the idea of if you feel like you're at a point in your career where you've made enough money and you want to go chase the ring, then I think Kansas City is a great place to do that. I think it's a perfect place to do that.

You can make the argument that Buffalo would be a good place to do that as well, although they haven't had the consistent success that Kansas City has had, but maybe he can put him over the edge. And you go, you could sign a one-year deal and then get the money after you get the ring, and a lot of guys will offer that a little bit later in their career. It's somewhat of what his. mindset is, does he want to deal with the idea of a one-year contract? That can be uncomfortable for guys because of injuries. And he said it pretty clearly what he's looking for in terms of

great defense, an established organization, a quarterback that loves football. That was his quote. Yeah, a lot of the people who are analyzing this situation for Hopkins are trying to make the claim that he's kind of fallen off a cliff. Before we get to the team that you think he fits best on, How much do we read into? Well, you know what? The Cardinals stunk last year. Everybody pretty much checked out. Kyler Murray was hurt.

Hopkins, it sounds like he could have played late in the season but just didn't want to because they were terrible. You've seen leaders like Buda Baker get me the hell out of here. I just wonder, Eric, how much can you read into last year's DeAndre Hopkins? Or do you put that aside and say, this guy's got a proven track record? We want to bring him in. Well, let me just share, and you probably watch this game, when Randy Moss, went to the Patriots from from the Raiders he hadn't had a I think he barely played the year before had very little production if he did play he got traded for pretty insignificant amount didn't play

during the preseason and then we play him I think it was our home opener and he hung on a 180 on us so so here's what I'll say is when you underestimate a great player who's coming from a bad situation you you can get into a lot of trouble and Look, we underestimated him for maybe the first quarter, and then he just did what he did to a lot of teams and took over the game. And I think that's always the danger is when a guy's in a bad situation, from a team perspective and in a bad mindset because of that, you're getting a much different product than if a guy goes someplace where he's energized, where he's motivated, everything then looks dramatically different. All right. Eric Mangini, you gave me a. team during the commercial break where Hopkins, you think he could go and be great.

I was surprised by this, but go ahead and tell everybody, make your case for this team. Well, look, I've got a couple spots where I think he can be great. I think that the Jets would be a really good fit, and I think the Jets would be a good fit in the sense that they've got cap room right now. They've got the fifth most cap room, and they're going to be in a bad salary cap situation in the next few years. But if you're going all in, go all in. Go all in.

You went and you got Rogers, go and get Hopkins, and now the passing game dramatically changes. So I like that idea from the Jets perspective. And my other former team, the Browns, I think that's a really good fit too in the sense that they've gone all in the year before with Sean Watson. And that's got to work. It has got to work.

And here's a guy that he likes. He's got a comfort level with. And they've got a great running game. They're going to be better on defense. I think that Deshaun Watson is going to potentially be a different player because he's over all of the, not all of the issues, but the transition back to playing. He's played six games.

He knows the system. That could be a really good situation for the Browns and a really good situation for Hopkins. Let's pivot to the Rogers Gutikuns to beef in Green Bay. Listen, you were a head coach, Eric. Obviously, when you guys have a franchise, quarterback and the GM wants to bring one in. You know, talk me through that in the war room.

Hey, guys, do we need to put in a call to Aaron Rogers and let him know we're trading up for a quarterback? I mean, I know he's in his mid-30s, Rogers at the time of his draft, and he didn't have a great year, but they went 13 and 3. They lost in the NFC title game. And Goudicunds calls an audible, trades up for a quarterback. Did Rogers deserve a call? Yeah, look, I would imagine you'd want to give Aaron Rogers a call if you're going to make a

decision like that, that's going to be such a high-profile decision that you're expending a first-round draft pick on, you move up to make the pick, and it really is going to be his successor. And I understand it from an organizational perspective, quarterbacks get hurt all the time. So to have a really good quarterback backing up your starter is a great situation to be in. And we see it every year where a team gets deepened either the end of the season, or the start of the playoff run, they lose their starter, and they fall off a cliff. So I get that from an organizational standpoint, but I also think that you want to communicate with your superstar.

And Green Bay has been in such a unique situation where they've been so spoiled going from Brett Farve to Aaron Rogers that sometimes you don't appreciate how good you have it. You don't know what it's like to live without a Hall of Fame quarterback. Now, they're going to learn very quickly what life is like without a Hall of Fame quarterback, and it's uncomfortable. So, yeah, I would say you'd probably want to call any star if you're going to draft a guy in their position that can potentially take their spot. Yeah, whether it's work, friends, marriage, you've all, communication is the key,

and clearly they had none in Green Bay. Let me ask about Brock Purdy and San Francisco. Eric, this is crazy, but for some reason, Lynch keeps talking to the, media about how Brock Purdy is the leader in the clubhouse. He just had surgery. It's May and June. What do they do? Something seems to be going on in San Francisco. I don't know if they keep sending out. Maybe they're trying to tell everybody, hey, hey, everybody, Trey Lance is for sale. Do you want him? Brock Purdy's our guy. You see Sam Darnold at Warriors games hanging out with McCaffrey and Kittle and those guys. Something seems to be a miss in San Francisco. And the whiffing on Trey Lance almost points me to,

hmm, I wonder if Lynch is trying to distance himself from the Lance Pick and say, hey, that was Shannon. That wasn't me. I don't know what's happening, but something seems to be going on in San Fran. I don't think it's a distancing thing. There's the famous saying from May West, if you've got to tell people you're a lady, then you're not. And whenever you're overly effusive with praise, you worry about what is the motivation. I think that when Sam Donald signed as early as he did in the free agency, period, a lot of people took a step back because that usually doesn't happen, especially if you're signing to be potentially the third quarterback. And I would imagine that for him to sign that early, there had to be an element of conversation of you've got a chance to start here, you've got a chance to play here, you've got a chance to be the guy there, which is, which I imagine is really attractive to Sam Darnon. They've done such a great job with quarterbacks. And really, Sam did some good things last year.

And for him to be inserted into this offense, into this organization with the running game, the defense, all of the elements that really help a quarterback be successful, who knows what Darnel could be. Now, that being said, you've got Brock Purdy. He did an amazing job, an incredible job, and you don't want to take away from what he did, and you don't want to look disingenuous, and he don't want to look like you're undercutting him. So, so what you do is you, you constantly praise them and you make sure that, that people are clear with the intention, although the signing of Sam Darnold really brings that, that intention under a lot more scrutiny. Yeah, I know you have to work together with the GM and the head coach. Everybody's got to be in lockstep on the same page. But as you've told me the story about with Farr of in New York, like, it's all, it's tough.

Like initially you could be like, hey, let's all together. Let's do this. Let's get this guy. Let's move this guy. But then if things don't work out, does the finger pointing begin in the blame game to try to save jobs? Like, again, I'm not saying anybody's in trouble yet in San Fran, but this Lance thing, I mean, they trade it up. And I mean, the guy might end up with like two or three starts in San Francisco before he's moved or I don't know what you. I don't know what you do with him.

Yeah, it's a rough situation. When you miss on a high draft pick and not only do you miss on a high draft pick, but you mortgage so. many future draft picks to bring that guy in, it's hard to get your head around that from an ownership perspective. And these are guys that have a lot of experience with quarterback play, with evaluating quarterbacks, and then you go get someone who's Mr. Irrelevant, and he plays the way he does. That doesn't necessarily reinforce your draft stock. It doesn't say you're a great drafter, it worked out really well. But if you thought that highly of them, you would have picked them much more highly than you did. So yeah, they've had a ton of success. They've done so many good

things there. But this is an ongoing issue. And the Trey Lance component of it is hard. It's hard for them to work through. Yeah, looking forward to that. Eric Mangini, Fox Sports NFL analyst. great stuff, as always. Continued success and have fun in Cleveland, Eric, this summer. Awesome. We'll talk to you soon. All right. Eric Manjini, very good guy.

It's interesting, Alex. You know, he sees the Browns kind of in the mix for Hopkins. I think Hopkins could be a game changer, but I'm going to go back to something I said at the open. Like, when you have a quarterback on a rookie deal, you should be spending. Bring in the wide receiver, elevate your young quarterback. Especially a veteran wide receiver. Yeah, this guy knows what he's doing. I don't know if he's a locker room leader.

demanding a trade. Some of these quotes you're seeing going on podcasts. But it was kind of a dumpster fire situation where he was at. Okay, it wasn't just him. You saw it with his quarterback. You saw the quarterback wasn't getting along

with the franchise and the organization and the coach and everything like that. So he wants to be somewhere where he can succeed. Would you say he's kind of towards the middle end of his career? Yeah, I would say, you know, maybe he's on the back nine for sure. Yeah. So you want to be somewhere where you have an opportunity to win.

and he probably thought that in the beginning. Yeah, the motivated part that Mangini spoke of with Randy Moss. I don't think Hopkins is quite there, but he's certainly not far. Like Hopkins has been a top five receiver in this league for a while. Yeah. I was going to make the case, Alex, the two teams that jump out at me, and this may not be appealing, but the Atlanta Falcons, they have Desmond Ritter starting his second year. I already see you're not interested. Yeah.

I tried to sell it to the-go somewhere where you can win now. I tried to sell it to the staff this morning. They were like, I'm just pointing out. Now, Falcons, division is winnable. Quarterback on the rookie deal, Desmond Ritter. You've also got Bejohn Robinson, you just drafted. Drake London and Kyle Pitts. That's like a young nucleus.

Hopkins would instantly be the veteran there. You've got, you know, I think you've got the makings of an offense. You could steal the division if the Saints kind of fumble. I'm not a believer in Carolina. Tampa's going to be very bad. Like, there's a chance. Do you think the Saints will fumble? I mean, there's, I mean.

Carter? I like the Saints a lot. I believe they'll win the division, but things happen. Injuries, Derek Carr, it's like 15 games under 500 in his career. So I don't know, I thought the Falcons made sense. The other team I was looking at was the Bears, who I think could make a big leap. They've spent a lot this off season. Who can afford them?

Well, that's the other thing. That's the biggest thing. It's like who has the ability to take him on. And if Hopkins is not going to get a lot of money, does he want to go to Desmond Ritter or Justin Fields versus like Aaron Rogers, Dishon Watson, Patrick Mahomes? Like at this stage, he wants to win. You want to win a Super Bowl. That's the point.

That's why he wants out. Where he was, had potential to be great. Ended up going the complete opposite direction. And now he's like, I want out. I want to win. All right. First hour in the books, no executives on set. So I guess we're doing all right, Alex.

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