The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Boston was embarrassed

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

Doug Gottlieb in for Colin   Boston Celtics' embarrassing closure to their season following Game 7's blowout loss to the visiting Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference Finals Doug looks at some of the unintended consequences of NIL money in college athletics   Guest: Frank Isola   #DouggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is... the herd wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. I was just thinking of this. I was trying to think of the last time there was a movie or show or event that I was fired up for that I set aside time for. and then I was like, yeah, that wasn't really worth all of the things that I've done to create this time. Right, because what you can say, and of course I'm relating it to last night's game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals, where there's a ton of talking points, there's some interesting like inside basketball, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown are not really guards so they don't know how to.

to manipulate a zone. We can do the higher level sports conversation. We can do the hot takey thing. You know, where we, well, yeah, Brown or Tatum, got to get rid of one. Do you fire Joe Missoula today?

We could even go Hacksaw Hamilton. I want to talk sports with you, right? Or we can make up a nickname for something we saw. Or we could talk about the toughness of Jimmy Butler. but I don't know I just I can't get over the fact that

it was a game seven it was the chance to have the greatest comeback or collapse in the history of the sport and turns out the heat were the better team at the start of the game and the better team at the end of the game they got out to lead and for the most part

kept the Celtics at bay and then the last five or six minutes was just like this is can we just let's just go Like, have you ever been in an adult league games do this? And now youth games do this as well. It was like, there's like a minute left and it gets really bad. And like, hey, you guys want to call it? You good?

You good? Like, we easily could have done that with about three minutes left, right? But the Celtics got rolled last night. And the heat avoided a collapse. And again, there's a lot of great sports stuff, right? Like the all the TNT guys, the inside the NBA guys can talk about was, man, it is loud in here. Man, it is hype in here. And there is nothing in the world that compares.

to winning on the road in that environment. And the way they did it was perfection. Took the crowd completely out of the game in the first quarter. It was like 28, 15. You got scored 15 points in the first quarter. 15 points? I almost wanted to be the manager from Bull Durham and call them lollygaggers and throw baseball bats at them

because 15 points! But in a very selfish way, I was like, dude, that was my Monday Memorial Day. I had other things I could do, but, you know, I was doing this show. I wanted to sound like I knew what I was talking about. I mean, a little bit more so than they usually do. And, you know, the people who invited me over to watch the game,

there's always the questions from people who don't watch sports. And you're just like, I can't do that tonight. I can't do that. I just want to watch the game. I just want to watch the game. And then I'm watching the game like, yeah, I've set aside like three hours of my life that I would probably like back. you ever had one of those?

And I'm guessing there's somebody driving going, yeah, got leave, I set aside three hours, listen to Cowherd, and I got you this morning. I'm fully well aware. I've been a filling guy forever, dude. I got it. But I'm trying to think of the last, my dad loved, my late father,

loved Weekended Bernies. Weekend at Bernies was a movie built really around one joke. Where a guy was dead, only he had a sweet beach house and an effort to live that beach house lifestyle. Two young guys kept him quasi alive, you know, and made him wave to people with sunglasses on for the entire movie. And no one was the wiser. And for whatever reason, my dad found the entire thing hilarious. And I will never forget when weekend at Bernie's 2 came out, he was so excited that he made my entire youth basketball

team like, we're going to see Weekend at Bernie's 2. We got it. They were like, okay, it was barely, it was clever, the first time, an entire sequel out of the same joke, not funny. But I kind of knew that was coming. That was like a train schedule. It's already a sequel. It's a one joke movie. Even at that age I knew.

Trying to think of the last time I had that sort of letdown. Because again, this was not just, hey, it's a big game. It's you could be watching history. Plus, there is something to, and I thought TNT did a really good job of showing some of these historical moments, Celtic moments, heat moments, game seven moments. Then you see the parquet floor, which is again why I wouldn't go to a party or a cookout because inevitably there'd be a question of, why does the Boston floor look different? and you're like and I know most of you who are listening I would say 98% of the people listening to the herd like are you kidding me but the truth is there are people many of them in fact that have no idea about Boston's parquet floor and oh yeah by the way like if we really have to it's merely only exists because of historical significance that that's it there is no reason to have a parquet floor at this point time in history but we do

So I avoided that discussion. I avoided the, what's the name of the Boston coach? Why is he so young? Didn't they have another coach? What happened to him? Boy, I really used to like watching the heat when they had Dwayne Wade and LeBron J.

Do you remember when they won a champion? Like just all the other conversations, I just wanted to watch the game. That game was not fun. Not fun. And by the way, I said this yesterday. I've said it since the Denver Nuggets complained time and again and others complain time and again about,

you know, when the Lakers lost and the Nuggets won, why did we talk about the Lakers? Here's why. Because that's actually what we do in sports. We have a whole other series to talk about the heat. But we got like a day and a half to talk about the Celtics to pick at the bones like vultures of the Celtics. Here's Joe Missoula

First Year Head Coach on coaching his players this season It's one of the best locker rooms I've been a part of The guys cared And they gave it everything they had It's the most important thing to take from this Obviously we didn't achieve our goal We didn't win

We failed in that regard But it's not because the guys didn't have a sense of togetherness character You know and just who they are as people Here's Gieland Brown accepting responsibility for the loss Just a terrible game When my team needed me most

like JT hurt his ankle first play of the game you know you can see it like swelling up on him and he couldn't move out there it was tough for him and you know my team turned to me to make plays and etc and I came up short I felt I expected to win today and move on that's what my focus was on that's what my focus has been on we fail I fail and it's hard to think about anything else right now here's Jason Tatum on that ankle injury it was just frustrating that I was kind of like a shell of myself. It's tough to move. You know, it was just frustrating, especially, you know, on the first play. I mean, talk about all the things that could go wrong, right? All the things that could go wrong. Jason Tatum, right around the rim, first play the game,

rolls his ankle. And then you're like, ah, he'd get a dunk. Like, ah, he's okay. And then you see him try and defend somebody like, you know, he's a swinging gait. And, and as I, and as I, I've tried to explain to people, basketball has changed. It's not that Isaiah Thomas wasn't heroic playing for the pistons against the Lakers with a bad ankle, but the way in which the sport works now,

it's really hard to hide anybody defensively. It just is. They find you, you know, especially when you're playing a team that has the versatility of the heat. But that's how basketball teams are built now. Everybody's got to be able to handle dribble, pass, shoot. guard out in the perimeter, multiple guys, and they will find you. And all they did was, kind of like the Lakers with Steph Curry, let's just attack Jason Tatum as much as we can. And he can't stop anybody, so then somebody else helps, and then they find the open guy, and they make a shot. That's really kind of, in a nutshell, there's other things to be said. And in all honesty, the Celtics offense was, or lack thereof, was the biggest culprit in their demise.

but let's be honest, Jason Tatum became a minus-minus defender because he couldn't consistently move to contain the ball. I like that Jalen Brown accepted all the blame. He had eight turnovers. You can't win one of your best players is eight turnovers. But part of that is the position in which he was put in where those turnovers were created.

He is not a traditional ball handler. He's not. Like we do this, well, positionless basketball. Yes and no. He's not really a two. He's definitely not a one, yet here he is handling the ball against his own and trying to make reeds, and that's not really who he is. Some of that is because of injury.

Some of that is because of coaching. Put in a position which was less than optimal. But that was an embarrassing performance by the Celtics. and the goodwill that was earned by coming from three games and none down was mostly lost last night. And I got to say, like, I know there's parts of a pregame speech we didn't see,

but in the very last sentence of your pregame speech in game seven of an Eastern conference finals when you're playing at home, let's go have guys, most important thing is to have some fun. Did the Celtics get juice boxes afterwards? Did they run through the tunnel?

I've got to tell you, the tunnel is kind of cool. But not cool when you get obliterated at home. And look, I love Missoula's disposition. It's in many ways obvious why Brad Stevens, who I consider to be an absolute brilliant human being and basketball mind, He's brilliant in many different phases of life, not just basketball, right? Where he's kind of stoic and you don't know what's going, right? But, man, there was, that left a lot to be desired.

What coach said to you to get you fired up? Let's go have some fun. Having fun is the most important thing. Really? Really? Listen, guys, I understand we lost, but did you have fun today? Huh? You know what's really fun in sports?

this is what I found, especially in game sevens, but in hostile environment. You know what the most fun thing to do is? Kick the other team's ass. That's what's really fun. So I guess here's the question. Give me something in your life that was a letdown recently to the level of, to the level of last night's game. Could be a date.

Man, she looked good on the app. Then you show up, be like, woof. You know, I got an early morning tomorrow. could be you know could be a car right you finally get your dream car

and you hop in you're like yeah could be a lot of things could be a concert you went to man I've been waiting all year saved up got in the pit and then

I just didn't like the vibe didn't like the set list they weren't bringing it could be the movie air some people were just like I thought it was going to be good or better

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Doug Godleaveen for Collins to heard, Vox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio, app. welcome in Iowa Sam on the ones and twos saw muse in concert in Anaheim with my daughter they were great really really really good um yeah that game was a bummer

you know and and again there's a lot you can take from it it's like uh I asked this yesterday it's like well if you're the heat how do you bounce back from one you're walking walking into a snake pit. Secondly, you know, as much as you trailed most of the game in game six, you know, three seconds to go, you get sort of a stop. All you got, you know, you're 0.1 seconds away from winning the game. It feels like it rips out your heart. How do you come back from that? How do you come back from that? But what proved to be obvious is one, obviously,

there's just some part of you that has to say, hey, that the heat were better. But also, there was a lack of energy there. And look, we don't know because Tatum was hurt. And if Tatum wasn't hurt, what does it actually look like, et cetera, et cetera. But the other part to it is the emotion and energy spent in coming from behind in that series had to take some sort of toll, had to take some sort of toll on the Celtics. Let's welcome in Frank Isola, longtime NBA Scribe. Of course, he has his own show on Sirius XM NBA Radio.

You'll see him across all the networks talking about the sport. Frank, if somebody didn't spend any time watching last night's game seven in Boston, how would you describe it? Lackluster by Boston, but to your point, give the Miami Heat a lot of credit. They took a cut punch at the end of game six. But I thought, I actually thought they would win the game just because I thought they'd been better throughout the series. And the one thing about Eric Spulster, Jimmy Butler,

Bam, at a bio, I think those guys are mentally tough, and I think the role players kind of take their cues from them. So unlike Joel and Mead and James Harden going up to Boston for game seven after they blew the last four minutes of game six, I thought you'd get a different response. There was some ominous signs, obviously, the Tatum ankle twist on the, what was that, the first possession of the game. Then there was that weird time out by,

by Joe Missoula. It was 9-4. Like, nobody had scored for a couple of possessions, and the Celtics grabbed a rebound. And we're starting on a break, and Joe Missoula called timeout. At the time, it was 9-4.

After that, I think, Miami outscored Boston 18 to 6, the rest of the quarter. My thing was the crowd was into it, even though Boston wasn't really playing that well at the start. It just seemed like that there was an odd timeout.

I thought the reason that they lost, but that first quarter, a lot of so many, too many bad things happened, and they ended up only, scoring 15 points in the first 12 minutes. I agree. I agree. I mean, I just, it allowed the, the nervousness and the tension to

build with the Celtics fans instead of, you know, having the energy. And I get it, like Tatum hurts his ankle, and now you start to look at plan B and plan C. But that was a, it was a very curious, curious moment. Okay, so what now for the Celtics? What changes do you believe they will make?

Because anything is on the, table. What do you think they'll actually do? Well, I think the two things will be the head coach and, you know, what are you going to do with Taylor? I think the fact that Brad Stevens hired Joe Missouli, he was behind the bench. And a lot of those assistant coaches that were

that were left over when EMEA doca was suspended. Those were EMEA doca guys. I think some of them are going to go to Houston. And I think for Boston, you know, Doug, if you look at it, last year on their bench, Edemae Adoka, Will Hardy, and Damon Stodomar. Two of those guys are now NBA head coaches.

Damon Statoisano, the head coach at Georgia Tech, they never replaced those guys. It's certainly not with any experienced assistant coach. So I would think that for Joe Missoula, I think it would help if he did have a couple of more experienced guys on the bench. Certainly a former head coach, who I think the fact that Brad Stevens took this leap of faith with his guy that was Joe Missoula that he hired. Then obviously promote him the head coach and they gave him an extension, I think they're going to stick with Joe Missoula. Then the big question will be, Janlon Brown. Let's face it, he had a horrible. game seven, you know, the eight turnovers.

Two years ago, I remember thinking, he needs to improve his dribble and his decision-making, and it really hasn't changed that much in the last two years. But in fairness, they've won a lot of games with Jaylen Brown and Jason Tate him together. They have, I think, here's, we'll go a little basketball talking there. You're not, when you're in your mid-20s, you're not evolving as a decision-maker and a,

ball handler, right? Like, he's in a position to, and look, in the open court, in regular season basketball, you know, coming off a wing, you know, when the ball's kicked to him, making plays, great. When he has to be the facilitator, the guy who, who sets up and runs and gets and reads the pick and roll, like, that's not who he is. He's, that's, this is not a role that he can fill. It doesn't, and people say, well, you're saying he stinks, no, I'm not. but that comes from like his entire life and career he was basically a wing

you know he's a wing catch it go get it or bring it down and go get it that's not what he's being asked to do and it was you know credit the heap by playing his own they made him have to make reads and play differently and more uncomfortably than he normally plays

and obviously he doesn't dribble the ball nearly as well with his left hand but he's not the first NBA guy like Jordan didn't go left very often. Kobe didn't go left very often. But they also, and basketball has changed then, but they also weren't necessarily put in positions to be decision makers. They were just kind of scores and scoring

wings. So I think there's a lot to it as to what you can expect from them in the future. Is there a world in which he's not back with the Celtics? I think there is. I also think he would be smart to maybe, you know, hire you for a minute as an advisor because, you know,

you described his game pretty well and then you hear, and grant that the on the outside, you know, I would think that a lot of it has to be true. The idea that he wants to be a number one guy. All right, so you're going to get paid like a number one guy if you stay in Boston, but you get to play with Jason Tatum, and I get it, Jason Tatum, gets, you know, a lot more of the attention, a lot more of the accolades. He's a guy that finishes all-n-B-A, and he finishes in the top five of MVP.

But, you know, last night was your opportunity to be the number one guy? Yeah. With Jason Tatum struggle. How did that work out? I sometimes wonder if young players think they're supposed to say this stuff because their buddies when they're around them, they think, yeah, you're a number one guy. You need to go somewhere where you're the number one guy. All they've done in Boston, and I get it to have it won the championship, but all those two guys have done together is win.

So I don't understand why you still want to be a part of it. Now, are they going to give him, I guess he's due for a 35% raise so it could get to like $300 million? It doesn't mean that the Celtics are going to get them that. But the guy's going to make more money than he's ever going to give him. going to need. That's the part that I don't understand. When he was asked about it last night, it was just strange. I didn't say, oh, I love it here. All we've done is win here. We haven't won yet, but that's our goal. Instead, he was, I don't really know how to answer that. All right, so

you want to go be the number one guy somewhere? Good luck. Because with that, it's going to come a lot more pressure, a lot more responsibility, and then you're going to realize, you know what, in Boston, I had a pretty good thing going with Jason Tatum and the rest of the guys. Now, That's if it's his choice, it's still up to the Celtics. They could decide, you know what, maybe it's time to move on from him. And I would think that would be something, you know, you're already hearing that the Celtics don't want to move him, which makes sense. But I think there'll be a lot of chatter over the next few weeks.

Remember, Jaylen Brown's name does come up a lot? Remember last year he got all bent out of shape because he was, God forbid, linked to a trade for Kevin Durant. I know, he'll almost be flattered that you'd be kind of linked to Kevin Durant. So I think this is going to be, this to me, will be actually a bigger story for the Celtics this summer than the situation involving Joe Missoula. Yeah, I agree with you. It's going to be fascinating,

and Brad has never been a guy that just kind of stand pat, although they kind of did Stan Pat made some additions because they went to the finals last year and felt like they were close, and now it doesn't feel like they're as close if you kind of look around maybe the landscape. The other side to it is the heat. You know, last night it's Duncan Robinson.

Last night it's all these ancillary players. Obviously, you had to, on some level, help on Jim, Jimmy Butler, but these guys that most mainstream people, fans that come over to the NBA and the playoffs, like, I have no idea who Gabe Vincent is. Those are the guys who are helping you to an NBA finals. What does it say about this organization that they're able to do it with guys that literally need a name and bio description every time they're mentioned? It's funny. I always think of what Pat Riley's been able to do, and even if you go back to when he was the coach of the Knicks, and he basically discovered and invented guys like Anthony Mason and John Starks, guys that, you know, were, back then it was the CBA players. I think Anthony Mason was playing overseas. And both of those guys eventually became All-Stars. And when he got down to Miami, whether it was guys like Ike Austin and then eventually it was, you know, Udonis has him, somehow is still there. And, you know, a few years back, it was a society.

on White side. And now it's Max Drews and Caleb Martin, Gabe Vincent, Duncan Robinson, and I wondered how well those guys are doing Game 7. I thought that would be the key because it is different. You know, your role players, Duncan Robinson missed two huge shots at the end of game 6, and I thought with that carry over, it didn't carry over, but I think it's something, you know, the Miami Heat

are very, you know, it's all about repetition. It's all about putting the work in. I got to give Jimmy Butler a lot of credit to. Jimmy Ballers one of these guys during the game. Come on, Doug. The NBA's become a complained league, especially the Super stars. Jimmy Butler doesn't do that a lot. You don't see him after every miss shots, staring at the ref, jumping up and down, and pointing to his arm. I got hit on my arm. And it's just like his calm, cool demeanor, and just like, you know, toughness, I think that trickles down to the rest of the team. And that's what they showed me yesterday. And Caleb Martin, you know, it's funny during the

telecast, I said the San Ray. I mean, Reggie Bill, all he did was praise Caleb Martin, how he's the best play on Miami in the series, yet he voted for Jimmy Butler for MVP. I thought Caleb Martin should have been the MVP of the series, but I think it's just a tribute to what they do in Miami in terms of picking the right players and then developing him. What is their expulsters say? Pat Riley used to say it all the time too.

We're not for everybody. And the guys that work out there seem to work out pretty well. No, I mean, Caleb Martin was in takeover mode in that second quarter. And he was incredible. Like his twin brother was drafted, he was not. Like that's like an all-timer. All-timer.

and he's just gotten better and better. News just breaking that Bob Myers has stepped down with the Golden State Warriors. It's not a surprise, right? Especially you. You've covered this league for over two decades. But what does it say about Golden States offseason that there'll be a regime change in terms of the front office?

Yeah, Brian Scaliburini is my radio partner. And Bob Myers was his agent all year long. Brian was kind of saying the same thing to Bob. Myers. I don't know. I don't know. And Bob Myers said at the end of the year, I'm going to take some time to decide. Usually when a guy says that, they've already decided. And the rumors had been out there for a while that he was likely going to step down. There's been also, I don't know if they've named anybody yet, but there's old, there was talk in the middle of the season. Bob Myers would be leaving. Steve Kerr might move upstairs and maybe Kenny Atkins if we take

over his coach. I don't know if all that is in play. But it did seem to be, you know, maybe a little budding of the heads between ownership and Bob Myers, which I think. is completely absurd. I think Bob Myers has done obviously an excellent job there. They've won all these titles. He's going to be a much sought-after guy. He might take a year off. You know what I think it is?

You know what I think it is? I mean, help me out. I mean, they missed on the draft picks. That's really what kind of what it comes down to. Is that the Wiseman got hurt, didn't evolve, and they gave up on him this year and traded him. You know, Kaminga hasn't been. nearly what they thought, but, but I mean, the Wiseman one jumps out at you.

And oh yeah, by the way, like, I was, I was for the Wiseman one just from the aspect of, like, they had never really replaced Bogot, and they knew they needed, they needed 25 minutes from an athletic big, and he hasn't, it wasn't good enough. I think the draft picks, all the good that he did, and Bob Myers has done a lot of good, I would say Wiseman and Kaminger ultimately led them to, uh, to a bit of a break. because owners don't know that it's such a high miss rate in the NBA draft, especially now, but they needed those two guys to come through and to be contributors for the older guys. No, you're 100% right.

They missed big time on James Wiseman. And I also, you know, it's funny because I thought about that last week when Carmelow announced his retirement, Carmelo Anthony did. And, you know, Detroit that year, Detroit was kind of in the same situation as Golden State. Golden State was winning championships. Detroit had won one, one, gotten to a couple of finals, but they were right at the height of, you know, the primers of all those key players, and they took Darko Milisich over Carmel. And, you know, the guy did it was, well, you know, we already have guys like Carmel. That never makes any sense.

You know, Portland didn't draft Michael Jordan because they already had Clydexel on the team. They took over-muzzle draft San Buoy. I know one thing, Golden State, when they had Montellis on the team, they still drafted Steph Curry. How did that work? I never understand when teams go on need as opposed to just drafts. who you think is the best player available at that pick. Now, remember, Golden State could have had lamello ball.

And if you had lamello ball, you'd be in a position maybe to make some other trades. So James Wise, whenever you draft that high, and this is true of every team, when you draft that high and you miss, it is a major, major setback. And that clearly was a setback for the Golden State Wars. It's going to be something that's going to hurt them down the road. Who wins the NBA finals? I think Denver will figure out a way. I just think their size will be a little too much,

especially if they could take game one, because we know they'll have the built-in-excuse of nine days off. But I think Denver will figure out a way to get it done. Yeah, it's a completely different team. When your center can be your point guard, it completely changes how you guard things, and it brings BAM away from the basket. It's going to be fasting.

Frank, great stuff. I'll enjoy listening to your show later. Thanks for being our guest in the herd. Thanks, Doug. Take care. Let's get to Jason Stewart with the news. This is the herd line news. Doug, let's drill down on this Bob Myers news real fast.

Adrian Wojianowski about 15 minutes ago tweeted out that two-time executive of the year and a guy that brought four championships to Golden State is stepping down as president and GM. Bob Myers says it's just time. Wogginowski points out that Myers declined ownership offers on a new deal that would have paid among the top earning executive. Myers described the decision-making process that led him to leave the franchise after 12 years as including several factors beyond money. Now, there's a press conference today at 4 p.m. Eastern to say goodbye to By Myers. Doug, what is your reaction to this and what the Warriors do next? Not a surprise. Also rumored that with Michael Winger leaving the Clippers to go to the Wizards, right, that Bob Myers could be in line.

to go run the clippers. That's a possibility. I think it's obviously a relationship that's run its course. I think Joe Lakey is, he's an outstanding owner, but you have to remember, there's a sentence I was taught a long time ago in the NFL. And I was like, why did you guys do that? I was talking to GM. Why did you guys?

And the GM was like, owner's own. It's like, what do you mean? Like, end of the day, you can have all the plans you want. The owner says this is what we're doing. That's what you're doing. You know why? It's his money. Sorry, owner's own.

And I think that's really what this kind of comes down to. It's not any one thing or it doesn't make anybody a horrible person. But at some point, owners own, you want to do your own thing. When things go bad, you get to blame. When things go good, you know, you're an afterthought. I think it's an owner's own sort of situation. I think what Frank Isola just said, he heard that maybe the Warriors might promote Steve Kerr into the

president GM and promote Ackinson and the head coach because that speaks to maybe where the warrior's head was at with Myers. Myers makes us out that it's his decision to leave, but maybe by what they offered him and how they handled this,

maybe the Warriors made this decision for Myers and maybe they didn't value what he brought to the table as much as maybe Steve Kerr. Sure. Sure. I mean, I I think that's fair. And look, I remember having a conversation with somebody else in the Warriors organization about Lamello Ball. And like, look, Lamello at his best would have been a better pick.

It would have been better. And Jordan Poole never would have happened. The whole Jordan Poole thing may not have happened. Remember, they did just win a title last year. Like, it is kind of interesting. If we're talking about the Warriors as if, man, it's been a bad run here these past couple years. They just won an NBA title last year. But I think the big thing is, you know, when you miss on James Wiseman and, you know, you miss on Jonathan Cominga, I think it's going to be held against you.

I think Jordan Poole's future. I think Draymond Green's future with this theme might be the most interesting team to watch this summer as far as what it looks like next. Sure. And that's Jason Stewart with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. I'm Doug Ghaly. I'm Doug Gowling in for Colin Cowherd.

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And people will always advise you He's like, you know, if you're the one that gets your life together Like be intentional Be intentional But I look at unintended consequences as Anybody play chess And it sounds like snobbish Like saying you play chess is like saying like quoting a novel

Like oh here we go chess guy You're so much better than checkers guy Well yeah that's why they say say this guy's playing chess and this guy's playing checkers. And the whole thing when you have like your finger, you're about to move it and hold on. It's like you have to like spin around the board and look at what the other guy is looking at. I move this piece. What does it do to the entire board?

The intended consequences to put myself in position to get the queen or to take this rook or whatever. It's the unintended consequence you had to worry about. and unintended consequences are are you know it's like how many times have you heard people go like you know why don't we have the flat tax rate I'm old enough now and people who know anything about politics remember

there's a guy named Steve Forbes who ran for president and the entire he was like a I'm running on I'm a one trick pony flat tax rate which sounds awesome and it's like look everybody I think it was like I felt like it was like 23% Like, everybody plays 23% and it's going to be all good.

Going to be all good. Like, whatever you make, 23%. Then, like, people who actually understand about paying taxes, like, well, okay, but what about people who claim they make far less than they make, which is many people who make in the top tax brackets? Remember, there be no tax brackets, but everything you pay. pay is based upon what you bring in and there are ways, lots of them, to change, hide, stuff aside what you actually bring in? And then, like, what if you don't make anything?

You got to pay 23% of nothing? Oh, yeah, by the way, some of the unintended consequences. What do you do with all the accountants, an accounting firms? There's a, like, what do they do? Your jobs are no longer needed. thousands and thousands of thousands of them. There's a lot of different issues with it that we could go into. I mean, really, you take any sort of groundbreaking breakthrough ideas and the unintended consequences in many ways take six months, a year, two, three years, and then by the time you figure them out,

Sometimes they're so overwhelmingly negative that even if the change that caused them was a positive, you wish you hadn't done it. Joe Clad actually spoke about one of those things. He was on, Jason Whitlock has a show called Fearless. He said this about name, image, and likeness, NIL being paid out to college athletes. In a lot of cases, a lot of these cases, the money that these kids make in the next. year two or three will be greater annualized than any future year of their life. And that's, there's, there are some deep consequences to that. In particular, if their, their identity and joy aren't attached to something more solid above money, which in our culture is so rare.

He makes a great point, you know, and, and I have a, I have a dear friend who's a, a really high level offensive coordinator. And he told me last year this time, we were having a beer and he's like, you know, people think that athletes were exploited before. He's a former athlete. He's like, you want to see exploitation? Watch the next five years in college athletics.

You know, where we have kids either signing with or transferring to schools really based upon how much money they get in NIL. But it's not really NIL. Name image and likeness is supposed to be, you score a touchdown and somebody goes like, hey man, you want to come down to my bar and we'll give you a little bit of money, you make an appearance, you sign some autographs, things like that.

Not there's a collective and they figure out a couple tweets you can do and pay you some money. The intended consequences of name image and likeness are good, right? Why can an athlete be an athlete and get paid much like I've heard Jay Billis say the just like a music student. Well, there's a bunch of other things that you're not mentioning that athletes are far more supported than any sort of student in music school. You don't just have the support in terms of your sport just like music. You have these incredible facilities.

You have the fallback of athletics. You have academic support. You have training. You have training table, what you eat, all that other stuff. Okay, but if we just take you, hey, we give you money. Well, then who do you work for? the coach, do you play for the coach, or do you play for the collective? Oh yeah, by the way, everybody wants them to be employees.

Here's the thing about employees. They can be fired really easily. Replace. Doesn't happen to Colorado. Sorry. Your services are no longer needed here. Oh, yeah, by the way, the multi-transfers, you don't have an alma mater. Why does that matter?

When you get done playing in football, it's a lot sooner than any other sport. You need that alma monarch to help you find your next spot or your next phase of your life. Unintended consequences sometimes make you think the intended consequences are worth it. I'm going to tell you the most interesting story in the NBA Finals is. It's an easy one. It's next in the herd. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

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