The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Credit to the Cowboys, Mark Dominik Stops By, Thankful Packers

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

Doug Gottlieb in for Colin as he gives credit to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones for knowing something that most people covering the sport did not: they were going to be fine this year.  Doug welcomes former Bucs GM Mark Dominik to talk about the Cowboys, Shedeur Sanders and all of the headlines around the NFL.  Doug sums up what went right for the Packers on Thanksgiving.  #DougGottliebShowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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making this fun of your day. Thanks so much. Colin is on fake you are very likely out and about. Maybe you're doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe you're driving around somebody who's doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe you had to work today. Like, I got it. Whatever you got to do. Welcome in.

Day after Thanksgiving, obviously you probably feel like you're a swine, right? I mean, we ate at like 2 o'clock yesterday. I'm still full. I'm still full. But a good day for football. Packers take down the lions. Cowboys take down the Chiefs. Bengals with Joe Burrow and with Jamar Chase end up taking down the Baltimore Ravens. So we'll get to some football. Plus, we've got an unbelievable rivalry weekend in college football. And the Egg Bowl is one people are paying attention to because they want to know what Lane Kiffin's doing. All that is going to be discussed over the next three hours. one of my favorite parts of listening to Colin and being Colin's friend for years is the when

Colin was right when Colin was wrong right but I think there's a good portion of all of us that need to go a my bad maybe this is the classic Cowboys aren't really good they're just not as bad as we thought they would be. But the reality is the Cowboys took down the Chiefs. The Chiefs the team, and again, I'll be the first one to tell you. I've always just operated under the until further notice, chiefs win the AFC West, chiefs get to the AFC championship game,

because that's what they do with Pat Mahomes at quarterback. And until proven otherwise, I was going to die on that hill. But how can you not be in that? impressed by the Dallas Cowboys. I get it. I'm with you. I love when the Packers took down the Cowboys a couple years ago in the playoffs, Dak throws all those picks in the first half. I, like you, had just an enjoyable experience watching the Cowboys fan meltdown on social media. But since the Byweek, they beat the Raiders. Granted, the Raiders aren't particularly good, but we didn't think the Cowboys were good. And remember, this is after getting destroyed by

Denver and getting beaten by the Arizona Cardinals at home. The season could have gone the way of the do-do. They had lost three out of four games, two of them to non-playoff teams in the Carolina Panthers and the Arizona Cardinals. And what are they done over the last five days? They beat the Eagles and they beat the Chiefs. Granted both at home, but both thought to be, I mean, that's last, you know, Super Bowl teams and teams that were thought of.

to be playoff teams this year. So at some point we go, hey, you know, they're not perfect. They create a lot of noise just to create noise. They do seem to put themselves in the same conundrum on a yearly basis where they wait until the last second and then always overpay their guy. But this year is different. Instead of overpaying Michael Parsons, they traded him and they were committed to stopping the run and guess what?

It kind of worked. Defense isn't great, but it wasn't going to be great with Michael Parsons. And they handed the franchise to Dak Prescott, and by hand it to him, it's not just the contract extension they gave him last year. It's not just the

fact that he's the starting quarterback and they put weapons around him. You know, going out and getting pickings this year in a trade. It's that they kept Brian Schottnheimer for the most part because he's a good offense coordinator, Dak Prescott likes him, and they didn't want to have another language in Dak Prescott's year when this one clearly works for him.

And what has Dak Prescott done? 354, two weeks, last weekend, 320 yesterday. 112 yards with CD Lamb. Last week it was Pickens. That was the main target. It doesn't matter. Dak Prescott has shown himself to be a top 10 at worst quarterback in the regular season this year, maybe even top five.

And though it is offense first, the defense does stop the run. they are better and we thought the cowboys they're not great they're not going to win the Super Bowl but they're far from the laughing stock that people want to portray them as and as a collective group of Cowboys

haters which most of us are right it's weird it's it's a very for whatever reason a very polarizing team you either are a Cowboys fan and a Constable that this is the year or you kind of laugh and scoff at the Cowboys even if they're not a rival

of your team. And I've said this on my show. The Doug Gottlieb show follows this show. It has for the last eight years on Foxport Radio on the IHeart Radio app. I've said on my show that, yes, Jerry Jones does things just for effect. Jerry Jones will say some weird stuff. But by and large, whether it's Jerry or his son, if you ask football people, they'll tell you, Cowboys have good players. It doesn't always work and it hasn't gotten them in the Super. But the Cowboys, if, if, if, you know, if, you We're questioning Jerry as a GM in terms of their evaluations, some of their signings. It's not going to be 100% hit rate. It isn't for anybody.

Chiefs, Eagles, nobody hits on 100%. Free agents or draftics. But they're better more often than they're not when him and his group are making selections. Here's Jerry talking about the two big wins over four-day stretch. I haven't really. I don't remember a better play. I've got two games back to back here at home. And these guys played inspired.

Kansas City had a nice crowd here. And so it was really important to us to play the way we did because they were here to really be there for Kansas City. So I just can't tell you the respect I have from Kansas City. Here's Brian Chattano, I'm with head coach of the Cowboys, on his quarterback, Dak Prescott's performance. I thought he was incredible. I mean, you know, I really do.

I think, you know, throw an interception on whatever the second or third play of the game is never how you want to start. We were actually, we were hot, and, you know, he tried to beat it with a throw in the corner did a nice job. He kind of baited him into it. But, I mean, that's who we are as a football team. You know, we go out there and we turn it over in the first couple plays. They go, I think, two plays and score a touchdown. And we never panicked. We're not going to panic.

This team, why would we panic? We've got all the confidence in the world and one another, and we're going to figure it out and we're going to make, you know, really good adjustments. And look, there is a discussion about the chiefs and the 10. penalties. But outside of fourth down conversions where the chiefs got three out of three, Cowboys, more yards,

more first downs, fewer penalties, nine of 16 on third down, whereas the Chiefs were five of 13, and they had the ball longer than the Chiefs. And the Chiefs didn't turn it over and didn't win the game.

Here's Dak Prescott on his team. having to get these wins against two elite teams. I mean, the two teams that played in the Super Bowl last year. Last year is last year. But you're talking about two organizations that obviously know how to win. And we just beat them both in two great games, as you said, in four days. And just showing the resiliency of this unit, of this brotherhood on top of everything that we've been through. Yeah, I don't know if there's been two more impressive wins.

But I can tell you right now that we're not going to just sit on some high because of that. We know we've got a big one coming again next week. And all this really does for us is just give us more confidence knowing that we can go play with whoever. It's true. And they do have a big one. They go to Detroit. Detroit just lost the Packers yesterday. You know, that one's right around the corner here on a Thursday.

So, you know, both teams have the same amount of time off. But it's right back at it. Then they get Vikings at home, chargers at home. They go to the commanders, to the Giants. I mean, even if they can't beat the Lions will probably be favorites in three of the United. of those last four games, and the window for the Cowboys to make the playoffs is very much open.

The point of is this. This is not me to say the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL. This is not me saying Dak Prescott's the best quarterback in the NFL. Or Brian Schottinheimer's best coach in the NFL. Or Jerry Jones is the best GM in the NFL.

But when we started the season, and they had the holdout with Micah Parsons, and he's laying there on the training table, you had so many people saying, pay the guy, Cowboys are, And it's easy. Cowboys are a clown organization. They don't pay guys.

And then ultimately they overpay. There's still not going to be any good. And then when they were competitive with Philadelphia, a week one of the season, you can feel free to raise your hand. I will as well. Where you think, I was surprised by it. Then they get blown out by the Bears,

third week of the season. And you're like, okay, they're regressing to the mean. They tie the Packers, and that felt like a massive upset. They lose to the Panthers, and now they're playing more like the Cowboys you expect. They win the last three. They're very much in the playoff hunt. And it's okay to go, you know, they did a pretty good job considering they don't have a great defense.

They got to rework it in the offseason. But now they have some draft picks. And they locked up DAC long term. And if you, like me, were never really a DAC guy. I'm not a DAC denier, like he stinks, but he has. not been good in the playoffs, he's been outstanding this year. They've been way better than anybody thinks.

And you can make fun of Jerry Jones's comments and the weird way in which sometimes he tells a story. But those are pretty good football guys. They've got a pretty good job of putting a more than decent product on the field, and the Cowboys are way better than most anyone thought. Yeah, Jay's two. Yeah, remember the Jerry, Jones documentary that came out.

I forget the name of it, but it was a really good watch. It was the Jerry Jones version of the Cowboys story in the 90s. And the big takeaway from that, for me, was that the biggest point of contention between him and Jimmy Johnson over the years,

and I don't even think they've settled it to today, was who made the deal for Herschel Walker? Yeah, who gets credit? Who gets credit, and they literally didn't talk, and they had all these issues. I had thought when he traded Micah at the beginning of the year, that he was kind of feeling his oats from that documentary.

He watched it. And he's like, I'm going to make a deal. This is all me. I signed off on this. And this is going to be one of my signature moments as a football decision maker. And can you say now that so far that has worked because he got so much crap when he first did it? No question. I think he got a lot of crap.

because people also thought it was his own fault for not resigning Micah Parsons early. But it was early. You know, and at some point you get to the, hey, we're not going to be great defensively with him. So why should we re-sign him to a gigantic contract, which will harbor our ability to be good, you know, in the future? But yeah, maybe it was as a reaction to that, Doc. Maybe the timing was just curious. Maybe I don't know. You bring up a very, very good point.

But all we can go by is this year, and most people thought the Cowboys would kind of be a joke, playing for a high seed, right? And that Brian Schottenheim would simply have the job for a short period time, and then he'd bring in somebody else. And to this point, it's okay to go, hey, we were wrong. We were wrong. Every guy hits that moment. You feel it. Less drive. Less fire.

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I mean, he picked an organization in Tampa. He's a Florida guy, Florida, California. People are like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't you talk about. Former general manager of Tampa Bay Buccaneers, of course, spent his entire professional life in the National Football League, and he joins us. Now, in the herd on Fox Sports Radio, how Were we so wrong about the Cowboys, Mark? Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent. It's been hard to understand what team we're going to see each week. And yesterday we saw that the offense continues to shine under Brian Schottinheimer

and what Jack Prescott's able to do. And certainly George Pickens made a lot of great plays along with Ferguson. And so the Cowboys have found a way to be, you know, just frustratingly inconsistent, but yet still have a shot and a path to the postseason somehow. Okay. What about the Chiefs? You know, it's like you go back about a month ago.

You're like, all right, here they come. And here they sit, you know. It's, I mean, look, my faith remains in Andy Reed and Patma Holmes, but heck they lost coming out of a buy, which, you know, does happen more in Kansas City than in Philadelphia, but rarely happens. and look, the Broncos and Bills are good teams. The culture are good teams.

Some of it's schedule. But some of it is they're just, what's missing there? Well, I think two things. I think number one, you know, we saw sadly Josh Simmons looks like he might be done for the year. You know, John Taylor's, they're going with their second or third and fourth offensive tackles. And in Kansas City, we've seen it over and over again. When that offensive line starts to get depleted, they can't win. And that's where they sit right now, is they just can't keep as much as Patrick was, you know, throwing the ball well.

And obviously, it touchdowns yesterday. That, the offensive lines in shambles right now. And that's the demise of the Chiefs and why they won't make to both season. Even with a couple teams, I think they can win. The other part of the Chiefs that you see when you watch them play is they're not fast defensively. They're strong. They're powerful, but they're not fast. And to me, that shows up as well.

You know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of the end of the Patriots. run, right? I mean, when the downfall of the Patriots, obviously, when Brady left, they didn't have a quarterback. But even prior to that, people like yourself, NFL people all said that the Patriots, they just weren't fast. They weren't flying around anymore. How hard is that to fix? Can you fix that in one offseason? I think you can. I mean, again, you're going to, you know, decide what you want to do for A&Chee, but the draft is going to be a piece where you can absolutely add some speed. and get to, you know, maybe a linebacker.

They need a speed rush edge is what they really mean. They need somebody that can come off the edge that can just, you know, win the fastball. And that's what they don't have to me consistently at all. And so I think you're going to have to look to the draft, you know, and then say first or second round, that's where I think the chiefs have to pinpoint somebody that can get the edge and can win with a fastball and hopefully develop the other rush move. But it can't seem to me in a weird spot. I mean, I don't, again, I don't think they're going to make the postseason just because I don't,

I think Jacksonville has too many wins that are still on the board. Buffalo, can, you know, and so somebody's going to win the North somehow. But I just don't think kids that you can put enough Ws on the board now to get to the postseason. So they'll be picking, you know, top 20, which they haven't done in a long, long time. Okay, we go from Matt LaFleur a couple of weeks ago. I go to the Eagles game and super, super conservative. And you and I've talked about it on my show where I'm like, well, yeah, you lose Tucker. you know, Tucker Kraft and you lose your left tackle,

and the Eagles obviously have an unbelievable pass rush, as we saw against the Lions. And so maybe that's the reason they were so concerned. You go from that to what we saw from the floor over the past two weeks, especially yesterday. Why has his play calling been so different, in your opinion? He's been more aggressive. I think he's kind of said, hey, look, it is what it is.

I think he feels Jordan Love when Jordan's kind of in the zone. I think he calls the game based off Jordan's playing and yesterday Jordan was making throws and you know you got to give LaFleur a ton of credit. That fourth down call to go to throw the ball up to Wix and Wix makes the catch to, you know, basically end the game, kill the clock. That's a huge

decision where they're sitting on the field knowing you can back them up all the way to probably the top inside the 10 and make them drive to length of field instead. He says, I'm going to win the game right here and Jordan Love makes a throw but I think the floor is feeding off of where Jordan loves confidence is and you're seeing him be more aggressive with the play call because

of it. Doug Gottlieb in for calling. This is the Hurt, Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app. You and I have also discussed that as a play caller, Dan Campbell feels like he calls plays, but he's not an offensive coordinator, right? There's a play here, a play there, it's not as smooth, doesn't have the same rhythm.

What did you think of yesterday? Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. Like, you know, it's, you know, the one thing about Jared golfing and maybe the entire offense is having, you know, it's interesting. You think about it from a defensive scam, standpoint for an offense standpoint, right? Offensive coordinator's like three and out, didn't work out, we'll just punt.

The defensive coordinator sits there and goes, hey, three, and it didn't work and said, well, they just scored a touchdown. It's just a completely different way to look for the game. I think if you think of it at home, you're like, yeah, I've never thought of it that way. Like an offensive coordinator, like, if it doesn't work out, you just punt the ball and try again. It doesn't work out on defense, you're in trouble. And so that's what makes it hard. And I also think, to your point, Doug, like you want to find the rhythm with your quarterback,

where you're feeling, like we just talked about with the floor, feeling them motions of the game or feeling the offensive guy that he spends the entire time on, you know that this is what I feel like is the right direction. Detroit misses that a little bit. Certainly Ben Johnson has done a great job in Chicago, put the barriers where they are. But this is a coordinator that they desperately lost and desperately miss. Okay, let's go to the nightcap. Let's start on the negative.

What's wrong with Lamar Jackson? Yeah, I just feel like he's just missing gross. And I know that we're all watching it unfold, but just the lack of like the locked in or the decision making. He just looked like he was, you know, rushing himself and then quickly flick him to fall out and he's trying to make a play. And it's affected his accuracy. And I don't think it was the weather at all. This has been something we've seen with Lamont. It's not processing very well for him.

And therefore, you know, he's looking errand and then his accuracy is really off, almost back to like his rookie campaign. kind of a feeling where like, what's going on with this guy? So I don't have a great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels like he's regressed based off what he's been able to do in the past, but I would say that the main thing is that I feel like he's rushing, as you're watching it feels like he's, like someone's in his year saying, you've got to make a decision, hurry up, make a decision. And because of that, I think he's thrown the ball, you know, early

and it's throwing off his accuracy. I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense. and my thought was like he won an MVP with that offense i don't i don't think that's what it was but you know you're bringing munkin and it's a passing based offense he still runs but it's more hey now he's been in a league now he's a better now he's a better passer not just a thrower and i again and their defense isn't you know when they were when they were failing in the playoffs previously the defense was awesome and the offense you know was allowed to to just run the

football and to be conservative occasionally take a shot. Is it too much for him to carry the team as a passer? It feels like it right now, right? I mean, Mike McDonald, obviously, is a great defensive quarter. He's done a great job as the head coach down in Seattle and getting them in position of the postseason. And they missed that. He was, you know, he's brilliantly smart.

And so they missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the talents not to the level and seen the Ravens before, but they were technically on top of everything. Offensively, the frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and I'm sure Ravens fans, too, they could have run the ball last night. If they were running the ball perfectly fine, they just couldn't stick with it. But, you know, if they could just find a way to get back to Derek Henry and giving him the ball 20 plus times a game, I think that even if they fall behind 10 or 12 or 13 points, I think you still want to focus on Derek Henry getting the ball because that, to me,

is your ticket to finding a way to still win the North, which, again, is wide open. And even the Bengals as hard as it's been to imagine. And so late, you're only a few games out now. And I know we don't have a lot of games left, but, you know, it might be 9 and 8 or 8 and 9 could win that division, which before the season started, Doug, I would have never dreamt that with those three teams. Pittsburgh, obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati,

I would have never dreamt it would have been that kind of an outcome with where the seasons ended up right now. I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a football fan. You love what Joe Burroughs said. And here's kind of my takeaway, Mark. Just stick with me and let me kind of explain it. we're so critical of athletes when it's load management or when they shut it down, you know, late in the college football season, late in the NFL season.

And yet our generation, you and I, were kind of the ones that came up with this idea of load management or protecting the asset that is the player in college, in the pros, or whatever. So if anything, we've got to be self-critical and understand that, you know, Gen X is being critical. of Gen Z for an idea for an idea for an idea and a plan that is really a Gen X plan that being that being said um what does it say what does Joe Burrow playing despite the very very slight chance of making the playoffs say about Burrow and and and how we view him yeah I mean if you I'm sure as we watched the game last night we saw the injury history of Joe Burrow and it's it's something that I've talked about multiple times over the years that that's just a sad fact of his career,

whether it was in college or now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot. And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that he can be out there with the guys. And he understands every year can be magical and special, and you just don't know how long it's longer you get to play this game. It can be taken away from you in a blink. And so I love that, that he decided that he wanted to be out there. And I think it also, because the Bengals were mathematically still alive, but you put them back out there and say, hey, look, let's see what we can do

and see what would kind of spark we can give the team. And even though he started a little slow, he certainly sped up and really kind of, you know, looked like the Joe Burrow that, you know, could have been the team that, you know, wins the division. We'll see. I mean, again, we've got only a few, we've got enough games left where you could say, yeah, it would be bizarre. But, you know, they play each other.

They've got to play other opponents. You know, nothing's pulling apart for any team right now in the north. It's a stretch, but it was fun to watch and be out there and show that, you know, as a leader, he's going to, if he can be there, he'll be there. Okay, help me out. I need the absolute neutral former general manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shador Sanders. How did he play in his first week as a starter?

You know, you got to give him credit for at least, you know, I know he made the halfback pass and, you know, you've got to let the running back, you know, scamper's in for a long touchdown. So he gets the stats for that. But he still has to get the ball of his hands and put in the right spot. You know, he made the one throw it down the field. But overall, I still felt like the game was over fast for him.

I don't feel like it's, and I would have him to start with this week. I would either get three or four starts unless he failed desperately, or terribly, I should say. You know, I would go ahead and get a sense. Because really where the Browns sit as an organization is who's the number two. Is Dilling going to be the number two? It should do her good enough to be number two. Let's figure that out because there's really no number one on this roster. I don't think it's even one of these guys based off of what I've seen from both

him this year, but I would like to see more Shadur, but I don't think it's going to get better. Honestly, Doug, I just, and I'm not a hater on Shadur or anything like that. I just feel like the processing's too fast for him, and he doesn't process it fast enough, and like what he was able to do in Colorado, where the system was really quick, we get the ball

out. Now things are, everything's moving so much faster. I think it's hard for him. Is that something that improves with experience? Usually it can, because the game's quote-unquote slows down for young players. But to me, the style of play. This is why I should do or dropped, because a lot of people were worried about the system he played in Colorado that was so quarterback friendly for him specifically that can that translate over. So a lot of people are like, I don't know why, you know, I thought he was the first round pick. A lot of scouts went in there and go, you know, I don't know, but this office isn't what we're going to run the NFL. And so therefore, do I feel like he's got the same tools I can get him to where he needs to go on the next level? And a lot of clips said, I don't think so. You know, and obviously the other things around you do her, he's tried to handle those the best he can. But I think,

think when you watch it, yes, you're supposed to give them more time, but to me, I still think you're going to see a lot of interceptions over the next couple weeks. Okay. Same question with J.J. McCarthy. I think it's fair. And I think the same thing is very frustrating for J.J. also is that you feel like he should be able to do it and then be more of a consistent player, you know, one through four quarters and not be spurty.

And I think that the same thing, though, is no matter what, I play J.J. the rest of the years, as long as you can be on the football field to find out exactly what I have. but I got to understand that as an organization, I don't have to be married to him. As much as that sounds crazy, he's only two years in, and this is really only his first year, you know, the one mistake you can do is say, well, we'll just give them one more year

and see if we can get this figured out. If the Vikings are in a position where they could draft another quarterback and say, hey, look, we're going to make a competition, but we've got to find that guy, that's what you have to do. Because in the end, we all know that that's really what matters the most

is who's pulling the trigger on your football team at that position. If that means you have to go back to the well again, go back to the well. Look at Chris Ball. He's done it basically every year as a Colts GM. He's had a different starter out there, and now he may have found the right one at Daniel Jones for a while. Mark, you're the best, man.

I love your analysis. Obviously, I respect all the experience you have, and I hope you had a great Thanksgiving with the family. Enjoy it this weekend. We'll talk to you next week on my show. In the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest in the herd. Thanks for having me on, Doug. Happy Thanksgiving, brother, you too.

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And I say Merry Christmas because I do feel like holidays are like the price is right, where once you go over, you can't go back, right? Again, is it okay? It's okay to wish me a happy Thanksgiving. but generally nobody wishes Merry Christmas on the 26th. Nobody wishes Happy Halloween on November 2nd or 3rd. And nobody wishes Happy Thanksgiving today, right, even though it is Thanksgiving weekend. So I'm okay with it, but generally I want to be the first to tell you Merry Christmas, Jason.

Well, that's nice of you. Thank you. I think it's a little too early, though. So I can't fully accept it. I think Happy Holidays is a safe route. And by the way, after New Year, you've got 14 days to wish people happy New Year. 14 days after the new year. Those are my rules. How long are you allowed that classic, very cheesy dad joke?

I just got used to write in 2025 on my checks in the new year. Is that allowed? Yeah. I mean, if people still write personal checks anymore, I think that you could probably still do it. You could allow your boomer grandfather to do it, yeah. Okay. All right.

Sorry, go ahead. Egg bowl. No, it's right in the middle of this. Egg bowl is on right now. and they're trading haymakers. Ole Miss against Mississippi State at Mississippi State, 14 to 7 as we speak. But there are bigger things involved in this. So there's a press conference tomorrow to discuss Lane Kiffin's future.

I need to know your confidence level right now and whether or not he stays at Ole Miss. And as a second question, if he does leave and he doesn't coach the playoff games, should the committee factor that into their seating? No, I don't think they should factor it in if he does leave. I don't, because he's going to coach the Bull King. He's going to coach the playoff to win it. Yeah, again, I think by not saying I'm staying,

although he has said I'm staying previously when it was just the Florida job open, I still think he's staying. but if he does leave, if he does leave, I don't think he can be factored in because you can factor it in if the coach isn't going to coach. You can factor it in if the player isn't going to play. Like Florida State a couple years ago,

I had no problem with them getting left out of the college while playing. They weren't the same team after losing the quarterback. You won't be the same team if Lane Kiffin's not your coach, but he will be the coach and there's no reason to think that he can't be engaged in trying to win and then probably trying to take all of his underclassmen with him to LSU if that's the job he takes. Okay, so you're introducing an angle here that I haven't heard. I was under the impression that if he decides to leave, he's not coaching the team, that he's

going to go to the next school. If he's not coaching the team, then absolutely I would hold against them. Okay. Okay. So there you go. Absolutely. Another big game tomorrow rivalry weekend is Vanderbilt. playing Tennessee. 14th ranked Vanderbilt, 19th ranked Tennessee. ESPN is reporting, Doug,

that Vanderbilt has agreed to a new contract with head coach Clark Lee. It is a reported a new six-year deal to keep the Commodore's coach. I'm guessing you're for this decision. You're a head coach. You like when head coaches get compensated and rewarded for good work, I'm guessing. Well, I mean, he's not great work, not good work, right? I mean, when do we think Vanderbilt was like a legit contender in the SEC. Now, part of it is Vanderbilt. Private school has all that money, and now they've decided to spend it.

They spent out facilities. They spent it obviously on their team. Diego Pavia, you know, has really changed the landscape of all college sports with his lawsuit, which won. But yeah, I mean, I think it's huge for Vanderbilt to be able to hold on their guy. For Clark Glee not to be able to go to what people consider, like, a real SEC school. Vanderbilt has become a real SEC school. Vanderbilt has become a real SEC school. And now they have the draw of Nashville, right?

Like they're the one SEC team outside of, I guess, Texas, you know, that's in a major city that people want to live in and want to work in. You know, Athens is like an hour from Georgia, so it's close, but it's still a college town. Like, they're unique, and they're able to draw to that. Yeah, I do like it. I don't like this. I love it. Vanderbilt being able to retain their head coach and put all their final. resources in the football and being rewarded and successful for it.

That's a great story. Oh, I agree. I agree. Okay, so finally, and this opens a whole, we could do an entire show or podcast. Can I, one thing, just, again, I was the guy, just, and Vanderbilt fans will tell you, I was the guy that would say Vanderbilt is in, but not of the SEC back in the day, right? Because they were the school that cared about academics and not as many hot women, right? and they were the private, not the public.

And they, you know, they, they were good more at the Olympic sports than the traditional sports and basketball and football. They didn't even have, I don't even think they have an athletic director. They had a, they took off the name of athletic director a couple years ago, maybe 10 years ago at Vanderbilt. So this is Vanderbilt saying, hey, we're, we're big boy into sports now. I had no idea that women at Vanderbilt were less attractive. I don't think we should have that conversation in 2025,

but I'm guessing that there's a phrase That was like a 2014 discussion maybe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm guessing there's a phrase that she's Vandy Hot. Yeah, Vandy Hot. Vandy 10 is a, is what a... LA 4.

No, is a, no, a Tuscaloosa 6. Oh, man. So I don't know if you missed this one, but Joe Burrow let his team to a win last night. And then in this Melissa Stark, thing afterwards where they feed everyone turkey. I think it looks ridiculous and it was ridiculous. Joe Burrell

steered clear of it and was asked about it after the game. I didn't touch it. I didn't touch it. I didn't know who made it. I don't know where they made it. I'm good. I'm good. I had a little pepper that I was good with the pepper. What do you think about eating food that you don't know where it was made or by

whom? I mean, don't we do that every day? It's a good point. I'm serious. Like, you go to Chipotle, you don't know who's who's back there making Chipotle. I get a better feeling that Chipotle is made. I get more confidence in whoever makes the NFL Network's dinner than I do who's making my... And I'll throw Cudoba in there, so we're not just separating Chipotle and Cudoba.

Same place, different name, right? Yeah, I... He's probably more... I don't know who's touched it. He might be a germ guy. And that I do get, right? It's like after a game, it's put on the field. I know who touches it.

But I'm going to guess that was probably made by a pretty good catering service, whereas, you know, you get a little fast casual on the way home. You have no idea who's back there in the kitchen and what their intentions are. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. If you've ever worried about safety of your home, listen up, SimplySafe is giving you early access to their Black Friday sale.

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So the Packers beat the Lions, and it, you know, what's a weird year for, last year, it's like the opposite of last year. Last year, the Packers were really good in division. I mean, we're putrid in division. The only division win was, on the doinker right in Chicago. That was the only win they had in the division.

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Yeah. I mean, listen, and to people who are critical of how much they ran the ball against the Eagles, I mean, obviously, you know, Jordan Love kind of scrambling five times, but you take that out, and, you know, there's still 25, you know, 25 carries, if you will, more 22 in terms of traditional, you know, and 30 attempts. But it's pretty obvious that since the Eagles game, he's gotten more aggressive. it's got more aggressive I mean he's almost taking on

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