The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Is Aaron Rodgers headed to New York?

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

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Be sure to catch us live every weekday from 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Hurd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making it as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. Cowherd as we're at March 9th. March 9th. The aides of March are nearly upon us. There is college hoop everywhere, including a lot of college hoop news. I do have a kind of a couple of quick thoughts on that.

We'll sprinkle in. Got some thoughts NBA-wise on the suddenly more than lukewarm Lakers. And, of course, we have continuing news from the NFL. Give you my thoughts on Lamar Jackson, a little bit later on in the show. Also, what I'm hearing and feeling about Tom Brady and some people thinking he could make a comeback. But let's start where Colin has started many times recently, which is the Aaron Rogers likely transition to the New York Jets. I mean, you've seen that commercial. You believe in deja, deja, deja, deja, deja, stop me if you heard this before, but legendary Packers

quarterback, former NFL MVP, Super Bowl champion quarterback of the, the Green Bay Packers, thinks about retiring, decides to come back, thinks about retiring, decides to come back, thinks about retiring. Oh, yeah, they drafted his successor, and it doesn't sit well with him, and he ends up with the Jets? We're told, we're told, don't use clichés. The cliche here is, you can't write this script, huh? But you actually can't. This one you could write because it's been written and we have sequels. We have like, look, I'm watching Creed 3.

You know, much in Creed 3. And though he doesn't have a talking robot with his son, there is a, a, did Adonis Creed get soft? And of course, you know, he has a guy who will do anything to win. It's Creed 3 and Rocky 3. A lot of similarities there. There was no prediction of pain from Mr. T. Nonetheless, there's a lot of similarities in the writing and the feel of where Rocky is in his life. So we do follow scripts.

And we also, we become our parents, right? You guys have seen that AT&T ad where they're trying to stop people from becoming their parents? I mean, well, it's progressive. It's progressive, progressive ad. Sorry, let's give progressive. they're due. It's progressive out. Stop people from becoming their parents. It's amazing.

And if you think about it, no, Brett Farve is not the father of Aaron Rogers, but there's a connection there. There's a big brother, little brother, or almost fatherly kind of age sort of difference. And, you know, like so many things between fathers and sons, initially there's pushback. And then ultimately, as you get older,

have you been doing a while, you're like, you know what? The old man was right. Farve thought about retiring and decided to come back multiple times over. And eventually, obviously the difference there was they, his last time retiring as a Packer, they handed the reins over to Aaron Rogers. And then he's like, I want to come back.

Like, yeah, we've kind of moved on. It feels like the Packers have moved on. But what happens as you get older? what happens that makes you feel like you're your dad. I mean, if Brett Favreve is playing the role of father here, Brett Farrv became kind of weirder as he got older, right? He became more of who he initially was. Like, remember when they, remember Brett Farr was on the tractor, right?

That was the famous story, on the tractor. Even with his last season, when he had, again, announced he was going to retire as Minnesota Viking after losing in the NFC championship game to the New Orleans Saints. And then Chile, Brad Childress, sent a couple dudes down there and he came back and he had some

Nike hat that looked like it had gone 10 rounds with Tyson and had been on the tractor for five months straight. The more far of age, the more kind of country and more of a kind of recluse he became, whereas Aaron Rogers, who's from Northern

California. He's from Chico. If you don't know Chico, Chico is like if when I grew up in Southern California, if you went to Chico State or Humboldt State, you told everybody, I just want to go to college and smoke weed. That's what you, that's basically the, and I'm not accusing Aaron Rogers of smoking the hash, but he's become much more of the California hippie, the longer this thing has gone on, including the hair until it was recently cut.

He's become, hey, man, he's, if you said, where's Aaron Rogers from? Five years ago, 10 years ago, you might not say, now you're like, oh, he's, that's a, that's a dude from California. That's my, that's my stereotypical image. You come, become kind of more of a recluse. You struggle to, you struggle to, to understand the younger generation more. Like, are you kidding me? He's really going to go to the Jets?

Brett Farr, there's 31 other teams other than the Packers. And Aaron Rogers is going to go to the Jets. That just seems too cliche. That seems like the script we've read before. But it feels like it's going to happen.

And I'm fair about it. Eric Bangeen is going to join us in about 10 minutes. He was the coach of the Jets. If you remember, when Brett got there, they were good initially. They were 9 and 3,

and then he suffered a a bicep injury, and of course, because he's bred far, he decided to play through it, and he couldn't really play through it. And the season tanked, and they end up, you know, ultimately kind of falling apart. And then there was some other stuff that wasn't so pretty that went with it. But this is just, it strikes me as the Jets and they're complete and utter desperation. Don't get me wrong. Aaron Rogers, and if you've listened to this show long enough,

and I filled in for Colin going back to the ESPN days, and now through my six plus years of Fox, I've been as villain and I was for the majority of my radio career, I have told people unequivocally, Aaron Rogers, if you had the boxes to check what makes a great quarterback? He checked them all. Arm strength, accuracy, athleticism, toughness, intelligence. Just that special something to find, you know, to find a window, to relate to a wide receiver.

It was there. Movement in the pocket could occasionally run for a first down. He's won a Super Bowl. He's played well in big moments, like all of those things. But I don't know if he's been paying attention recently. But his attitude, and this is where I will give calling credit.

He called Russell Westbrook before anybody called Wesley Brasperk. Of course, he was in love with Russell Wilson. That thing. Although he did say he wanted to leave, major market, whatever. He talked about Aaron Rogers' inability to lead out of, you know, in tough situations as a guy who's a great frontrunner, but kind of a quitter when he's behind. And you look at the body language of Aaron Rogers.

I mean, that's the biggest thing, just the body language and the lack of willingness to show up for OTAs when you have new wide receivers and, you know, the desire to connect with older players and, hey, make Brian Gunnickens admit wrongdoing to cutting players who were over the hill and didn't have careers after they left Green Bay. Just like all of these things just put him in a position where you just think he's a pain of the ass. You know, Tom Brady can yell at his dudes. He can get on the guys. But if you saw last year that NFL films footage of him against the Niners with 10,

Like he's still the, come on, guys, kids, let's fight. Let's fight. Whereas Rogers just gets mad and gives everybody, like, that's not how sports works. So either he's going to go to the Jets and have skip the OTAs because I don't need it. Give the same body, bad body language when he doesn't agree with the play call. And he's more, or he's going to fake it for a time being. But there's a limited market out there for, for every. Aaron Rogers, who's as good as anybody who's ever played the position because you don't know what he's going to show up for when he plays.

And he doesn't actually even know if he wants to play or if he wants to play beyond this year. But nothing could signify Aaron Rogers on some level growing into his mentor, becoming that guy. It honestly reminds you on some levels of Lincoln Riley. Remember Lincoln Riley, who's now at USC? obviously, if you listen to the show, you know Collins' infatuation, but like Lincoln Riley's from Texas. But you listen to him talk, and he talks like he's a member of the Stoops family from Ohio. You become your parent, you become your mentor, you become the people you surround, and you look at the world in similar ways. Even though they're from completely different backgrounds, drafted by different people, playing Green Bay in different eras,

Rogers is becoming more like Favre every day. and it just fascinates me because so many of us as we age, we fight that thing. And I was just, just the other day I was having a conversation with somebody close to me. And it was late and we were talking and somehow I got on to like ranking Southern California high school basketball programs. I just got lost in a conversation. And they're like, what? I was like, sorry. That's like my dad's stuff.

Oh. My dad was a peach. I'm sure yours was as well. There were things he did. Like, you know, falling asleep with the remote in your hand. I'm becoming a worse and worse driver. And using expressions that young people use in an effort to connect with them

and it getting more and more awkward. Yeah, I try to use Sitch. What's the Sitch here? Dad, you can't do that. Yeah. Please don't Snapchat me. That's you're too old to Snapchat. Awesome.

All right. Coming up next, Eric Mangini joins us. What can we learn from the Jets having Brett Farve to see if the Jets can make it work this time? And if he was in New York, would he want, Aaron Rogers? Plus, let's get into the Lamar Jackson thing. How does this actually play out? If he stays in Baltimore with Todd Munkin's offense, Does that actually work?

And then you have the NFL draft. Bryce Young is the better quarterback, but he's tiny. Anthony Richardson is built like an ex-man, but can he actually play quarterback? What would he do if he was sitting atop the draft? I'll ask the man genius. That's up coming next. In for Colin, I'm Doug Gottlie.

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Or wherever you get your podcasts Doug Gottliebun for Collins. This is the Hurt, Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app. Coming to you on a, is it Thursday? Yeah. Just so you know, these next two days are really the best two days, if you like, college basketball and frankly laying any money on it. But just because you have, I mean, you have four times the number of games,

five times the number of games you're going to have in the NCAA tournament. And while they may not necessarily mean anything to you in terms of deciding a championship, They do decide conference supremacy. And oftentimes if teams are going to play in the tournament or what it looks like, it actually means a lot. But that's kind of beside the point a little bit. And it's weird, right? Like you have, here's a day where Jim Beheim retired,

the second winningest coach in college basketball history and in classic Beheim fashion. Bill Self, the head coach of the defending national champions, is in the hospital. but we hope he gets well. But football and the off-season of football has kind of become like the off-season of baseball used to be. I remember Hot-stow baseball when Kurt Schilling Thanksgiving Day, you know, I had the Red Sox brass over and then decided to make the move from the dimebacks to the Red Sox. That's what's happened with football.

The off-season is kind of as big a storylines as. sometimes the regular season. Let's welcome in Eric Mangini. Of course, it works for Fox. You can see him as an NFL analyst. Fox Sports One. He joins us here in the herd. Let me start, Eric, with your reaction to what Baltimore has decided to do with Lamar Jackson,

where they placed a non-exclusive tag. And then so many of these teams around the league saying, as of now, right, we're not really interested in proposing a contract, knowing two first-round draft picks would have to go back and return in addition to whatever contract demands he want. What's your reaction to the Lamar Jackson thing? Well, then, at this point in the negotiation, they had to put a tag on him, and it makes sense from their perspective to do the non-exclusive and let someone else go out and negotiate the contract,

because at that point they get to decide whether or not they want to match it, and if they don't want to match it, they're guaranteed at least two first-round draft picks. So it's a really good level of compensation, and it allows the market to dictate what he's worth. And I'm sure they're hoping or anticipating that the market's going to come back and say that their offer is more in line with what he's worth and then maybe what Lamar is hoping for. and at that point, Lamar has to make a decision as to whether or not

he wants to make it difficult on the Ravens because his only leverage at that point is to get out or to say you won't play for Baltimore. The whole thing's fascinating to me because you have so many

who don't work in the NFL or call people in the NFL they say, well, this is collusion. The owners need to collude to know that the Deshaun Watson contract's a bad contract. And I mean, like, look, Lamar's missed 15 games the last two seasons. And this is in his early and mid-20s. The likelihood is the way he plays.

You're going to miss more games going forward. You know, what's your thoughts on so many accusations of collusion from people outside of the NFL? I feel like we live in an age of conspiracy theories or anything that happens has to be a conspiracy, and there's not collusion. Every team in the NFL is going to do what's in their

best interest. And when you look at the Deshawn Watson contract itself, the Browns did what they thought was in their best interest because they were battling it out with Atlanta. So they were willing to do something that nobody else has done.

And teams aren't looking to help anybody else out. Nobody's looking to help the Ravens out. No one's looking to help any other team out. If anything, you want to do things to make their life more difficult to give yourself a competitive advantage. So the idea that the group is working together to try to eliminate a guaranteed contract, yeah, I don't believe it.

Minnesota did a guaranteed contract with Kirk Cousins back in, what was it, 2018 for three years, fully guaranteed. So the Deshaun Watson, and at that point it was groundbreaking. King. Sean Watson just took it up and asked with the five years. And if there's a team that decides Lamar's their best chance to win

and to win big, then I imagine they'll go ahead and give him what he wants and pay the price to Baltimore. Aaron Rogers to the Jets reminds everybody obviously of Brett Favre to the Jets. You were the head coach then.

What was that experience like? When you first got Brett, what was it like? Well, here's the main different, Doug, is timeline. They're talking about getting this done now in March, and we were dealing with it in the summer. Brett didn't actually come to us, and I think the first time he showed up was at a Brown's pre-season game

after we got the deal done. So it's a radically different timeline. That, to me, is a big advantage. for the Jets right now if they can get it done because it allows them to get him in the building, to get him settled, to get him acquainted with his teammates, assuming that he's willing to take part in those things,

which I imagine he would want to to give himself a chance to be successful, where with our situation, it was a lot more rushed, and we had to alter things in the system to make sure that we were doing what was best, asked for Brett. There's no sense in trading for a guy and running a system that he wasn't really good at. We wanted to maximize his ability, so we adjusted our offense to what he did

well, and we asked him do some learning, but we asked a lot of other guys to do a lot of learning. I would imagine it would be the same thing in New York, where if you're going to bring in Aaron, you're going to do what Aaron does best, and I think that was a mistake that Tampa Bay made with Tom Brady early on, and they didn't do what he did. They started all kind of slow that first year. They transitioned to what he liked, and we all know the story after that. People, I do think that one of the things that people misremember about the Jets is they look at how the season finished. But weren't you guys nine and three before he got hurt?

Actually, I think we're eight and two before he got hurt. And then he was, he had that streak going of consecutive starts. So, you know, I probably should have pulled them at some point. But it's hard to break that streak. And the backup was Kellynne Clemens, as I was trying to navigate through what to do there. But, yeah, we were, we were rolling. We had just beat New England and then Tennessee,

who I think was undefeated in back-to-back games at Tennessee. And then the, you know, he got dinged up and, you know, things went south from there. Yeah, he tried to play hurt and he, you know, he's not the same guy, and then it went bad in a hurry. So what do you think the Jets can expect from Rogers, right? That's a big question. Like, you're pointing out, and it's accurate,

the timeline is different, but we don't know if Aaron Rogers, is he going to go to OTAs now that he didn't want to go last year? And what about the body language, which has been an issue and the extra work with the wide receivers? What should Jets fans or the Jets expect? if Aaron Rogers decides to do this. Well, you would hope that you get pissed off Aaron Rogers.

You would hope that you get Aaron Rogers that looks to this and says, okay, Green Bay is done with me. Let me show you, you know, what a mistake you made. Because I think pissed off Aaron Rogers when they drafted Jordan Love, when he didn't feel like he, you know, was getting the contract he deserved, was a two-time MVP. And that guy, you know, would be dangerous at any team as opposed to complacent sort of introspective Aaron Rogers

who doesn't necessarily want to be involved. I would imagine going to a new place, having new teammates, new coaches, a new environment, being in New York City, all of those things. There's a level of uncomfortableness, anxiety, anticipation, nerves. That's, I would think would be exciting. to anybody, even a guy who's achieved as much as he has. And I would imagine that would be a great thing for New York if you can get that guy. Now, Green Bay, to me, has to get something substantial in return for him going,

and probably more than we got for Brett Farve. Otherwise, how do you justify taking that big of a cap hit and letting go of a player that caliber? It's a great point. One, does say something about one to get out of the building, but two, we'll see if they can adjust the cap hit. And three, very interested to see what goes back in return. There are continuing rumblings, even Scott Zolak, of course, is a former Patriots quarterback now in the media covering the Patriots, saying they're hearing whispers that Tom won't stay retired.

Of course, Brady had the tweet about his daughter making him adopt. to Cat earlier this week. What do you think the likelihood is that Tom stays retired? Well, Colin, about mid-season, floated the idea of Tom going to the 49ers. And when I first heard, I thought that I thought, no chance. That makes no sense. And then as I thought about it more, I got behind it. I love the idea of him going to the 49ers to end his career with his childhood team.

he goes with a team that's built to win that has a really good defense that can play complimentary football and has two young quarterbacks on it and who would you want your young quarterback to learn behind besides Tom Brady so you've got Trey lanson we don't know where he's going to be coming off the injury and he hasn't really played and then you've got Brock Purdy with his injury you bring in Tom for for one year and with the team that they have and now you've got a chance to, you know, potentially end a storied career with a fantastic ending. And also from San Francisco's perspective, get the two young guys that they do have in the building,

a mentor that, you know, you couldn't match by any stretch. Dana Jones' contract was down a couple days ago. The contract details a little bit different than how it was initially. initially released, you know, through all the various insiders. What do you think of the deal between the quarterback and the Giants? It's, uh, I was, I was surprised by it. It's, uh, it's got to be one of those things where Brian feels really comfortable with the amount of, of progress of Daniel made from when he got there to the,

to the end of the season. And he's got to believe that that that's not. not the ceiling. He's not anywhere near his ceiling, that he's got the potential in year two to make another significant jump because, look, he did a great job of reeling in the turnover, especially the fumbles. But we're not talking about a guy who had a prolific amount of touchdown passes and made a lot of explosive offensive plays. You like the character that he shows. You like the toughness that he shows. You like the leadership. that he shows, the progress

that he made, it's still a big number to bank on continued progress. Now, that being said, Doug, what are your alternatives? And when

you don't have a quarterback, it's pretty bleak, so you're fighting not only what you think he can be, but also who you think you can get. and John thought he felt, you know, who he can be is a pretty strong bet to put $40 million on. You mentioned, we talked about Brady midseason. We talked about that on my show, the idea of the Niners.

The other team that I think many people in the NFL thought Brady would go to is the Raiders. Now Josh is looking for a quarterback. Garoppolo? I mean, who? Does he stand pat with Stidham? what do you think Josh does in Vegas? I would imagine that Josh wants to get a guy that he can develop in his system and they can be there a long time.

And, you know, look, that's what we all strive for when we take over a team is to be able to get a young quarterback that can grow within the system. I can't imagine Tom at the Raiders just because the defense is not in great shape right now. They're not as ready to win. They've got good offensive weapons, but they're not quite as ready to win collectively as, say, the 49ers. But if I had to guess, I would think Josh would go with somebody young, get a veteran behind them, and try to make that guy the quarterback there for the the next, you know, 10 years.

Okay, speaking of young guys, on one hand, you have a Bryce Young, and I know you've seen him play. Anyone seen Bryce Young play. I mean, you go back to, I watched him in high school. The guy is a great quarterback, but he's tiny, right? It's just, he's a small human, he's,

he's a, for a football player, he's tiny, right? He's 5'10 or so, 190 pounds. There's not much at weight that you can add. There's not much you need to add, but he's little. And then you have an Anthony Richardson who's built like a Greek god, you know, 6-4, 235, jumps 40 inches, runs a 4-4-4 and can throw it, but we don't always know exactly where it's going. You're back in a draft room. You need a quarterback. What do you do?

Well, there's plus and the minuses to both. When you look at Bryce Young, there's been small quarterbacks that have been successful in Drew Brees, stands out. amongst that group, but it's the exception, not the rule. And it doesn't mean that Bryce Young can't go and do the same thing. And then when you look at Russell Wilson, he had great success, but he was also drafted the fourth round. So to take a guy really high when he's got inherent limitations based off size, it's hard to wrap your head around that.

You really want to, if you're doing that, to that be a second round, a third unit, round, you know, something along those lines. And then when you look at the big guys, what you don't want to do is get caught up in, they have to be this height, they have to be this

weight. You have ideals that you're looking for in those areas, but at the end of the day, if you can't get the ball to the right spot on a consistent basis, or it's something that is more the rule than

than say something that's correctable. It doesn't matter how good they look. It doesn't matter how much they make sense from a, from a, you know, height, weight speed perspective. It's also got to make sense from a decision-making perspective as well. Has it changed because teams have been more capable of running some of those college offenses where you're playing on 11-11 football, you're running your quarterback, especially that first contract, like you can run that quarterback more than you ever did recently.

You may not want them for the second contract or for the gigantic contract, but because people are using some of the read option stuff and letting their young quarterbacks run more than previously, does that change how we look at Anthony Richardson early on in his career? Well, when you look at what's happening with Lamar, But guys running quarterbacks and guys that can do those sorts of things and their agents need to take a step back and say, okay, is this what I want? Because you said it perfectly.

You may not want them for their second contract. So here's Lamar, who's MVP the league, who's, I think, 45 and 16. And it's not that they don't want him, but they don't know whether or not he can stay healthy. Well, why? because he runs a ball 130 times a year. So as you're entering into the league and you're one of those guys that has that ability, how many times do you want to do that?

Do you want to ever see a second contract? Do you want to, or are you content with going in being sort of like a shooting star and collecting your first block of money that's related to that? And then have a bunch of teams turn around and say, well, you're hurt all the time. So, yeah, you're right. There are a lot of offenses from college are leaking into the NFL and are having an impact

on the NFL. But at some point, the players are going to have to take a step back to and say, okay, this is really good for the teams. Are you good for me? Eric, great stuff as always. Hope you're well. And, man, it's got to be deja vu with the idea of Aaron Rogers going to the Jets back to those days when you were the head coach. Really appreciate

to join us. Look forward to seeing you on TV very, very soon. All right, that's Eric Mangini, the Man Genius. Joining us. Let's get you to Ryan Music with the News. Is the Hurdline News. Hello, Ryan. Hello, Doug. Let's hit on some college basketball real quick. Why not? College hoops, it's that time of the year.

But in the end of an era, Doug, after 47 seasons, Jim Beaheim will not be returning as head coach for the Syracuse men's basketball team recorded 1,015 wins, an additional 101 wins, which had been vacated by the NCAA, which still counts for second all-time and, of course, the 2003 National Championship. Now, the odd thing about this was actually how this whole thing came about. So here you will hear the exchange with the head coach after that. their loss and elimination and how this came about.

I've just been lucky to be able to coach this long. I think you missed it. I gave my retirement speech on the court last Saturday and I gave it in the press conference afterwards and nobody except William Payne figured it out. Are you saying right now that you're going to retire? This is up to the university. You want to come back? I didn't say that.

Okay, so what are you saying? You're not saying you're retiring, but you're not saying? said it. I don't know. So you don't know. Okay. I said this is up to the university. And you're not sure whether you're, how will you make a determination about when you will come back? You're talking to the wrong guy.

Okay. Well, look, it would, I mean, in classic Beheim, that was weird sort of fashion, right? Just like didn't. So let me connect. Again, and I don't, I know a bunch of Syracuse guys. I don't know this for a fact, okay? so all of them are still kind of reacting, you know, to Red Autry,

who of course was a great player there, very, very good dude, great dude. He's the new head coach. So they're still kind of reacting to that. My guess is that, you know, he was all prepared to retire. The university wanted to make the announcement, but part of it was probably, you know, like, look, I want the, I'm not doing it until you got the Red Autry is named the head coach. Like, it is done.

Otherwise, like, I'm going to keep being the head coach, and then right before the season next year, I'll walk away. That's what they, that's what these guys want. It's what, you know, Coach Kay picked his successor. Roy Williams picked his successor. Jay Behan must pick his successor. That's my guess, but it did. It was the weirdest thing ever. Like, well, I just gave my retirement speech, you guys missed it.

Okay, so you're going to retire. Didn't say that. So what are you saying? Do you want to come back? Didn't say that. What are you saying? You're talking the wrong guy. I mean, it was like, who's on first?

I don't know. Third base. It was Burns and Allen all over again. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. All right. There's obviously way, way, way, way, way more news to get to, which we will cover.

Something interesting regarding the Lakers as they won the other night against the Memphis Grizzlies. Grizzlies, of course, a team that they got their own issues. and a team that traded them. Markesol, the rights of Markisal, for Powgisal. Paul, Paugitz's number attired. Do you know who wasn't there? Wasn't an excused absence? We'll get to that next.

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