The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - It came down to money

Episode Date: June 6, 2023

Huge breaking news in the sports world with the shocking announcement that the PGA Tour will merge with the controversial Saudi-backed LIV Tour Are the Bills hurting their Super Bowl chances?See omnys...tudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.
Starting point is 00:00:23 Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
Starting point is 00:00:52 Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show.
Starting point is 00:01:21 This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok's podcast network on TikTok. Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go on a very, very interesting Tuesday, live in Los Angeles. It's the hurt.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Lots of choices. Thanks for making us part of your day. Well, well, well, Jason McIntyre. the PGA tour lecturing, lecturing their golfers about morals and values, has now officially merged with the Saudi Arabian-backed live tour. I think this is the first time we're opening the show with golf since I joined in August. Love it.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Exciting story. It is. Yes, yes, yes. You know, you ever notice the only people that have morals in the world are those who have never been offered? really cool stuff? Yes, yes, yes. When you spend time lecturing others on morals and values and why they do things for money, be very, very careful.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Somebody may once in your life, though I doubt it, offer you cool stuff. Big money opportunity. I backed Phil Mickelson, Dustin Johnson, Brooks Kepka. I don't feel great about Saudi money, but our government's been in bed with them forever. So is the English Premier League. UK's version of the NFL, their big sport. Listen, in this country, I vote for political candidates that I disagree on many policies. It's the best option.
Starting point is 00:03:44 It's the reality that Saudi money has been involved with sports and golf forever. You go live in your provincial world. You lecture everybody else on your idealism. the media continues to be preachy and lecture and shame on the PGA tour who lectured Phil Mickelson and Greg Norman and Brooks Kepka and all those golfers Dustin Johnson about their personal values and their morals. And then somebody offered the PGA deal, a deal that would keep their stars in their pockets. So now live golfers and PGA golfers are conjurals.
Starting point is 00:04:25 joined. It ain't the 70s. For the record, I don't love everything about every owner in our professional leagues. What you're going to do? It's a global sport. All of them are. Look at the last five NBA MVP's. That's the world we live in. Not everybody's Mr. Rogers. I can be disgusted with elements of a political candidate of who's backing my leagues and understand it's about the money. It's always about the money. It's about television. I got into this business years ago. I knew very early.
Starting point is 00:05:04 It's about the Benjamins. That's why I don't preach. That's why I don't lecture on this stuff. I don't have to agree with everything. But once Brooks Kepka won the PGA championship, Translation, the PGA said, we got to get our stars back. Translation.
Starting point is 00:05:18 We got to get our top draws back. Translation. We've got to get our money back. Scotty Sheffler's a great golfer. But 90% of golf fans are casuals. They're casuals. People have lives and kids and your son's got a little league game and your daughter's got a recital and your wife needs you to help. You can't sit around all day in PGATour.com.
Starting point is 00:05:41 So you'll watch the big stars. If Tom Cruise was only available tomorrow on an app or a streaming service, just one, that's where I would go to watch Mission Impossible 13. I'd go to the app. I'd go to the streaming service, regardless of who only. it. I wouldn't have to love who owned it. But I'm not going to sit up here and preach and be a hypocrite when somebody eventually offers me money. I said from the very beginning, I would struggle to take the money from the live golf tour. But if it became two and three hundred million, you don't think I'm going to sit down with my wife? I'm not going to have a glass of Vino and discuss it. Oh,
Starting point is 00:06:15 give me a break. The PGA tour got into the lecture business, the moral business, the values business. Give me a break. In the end, they want their stars back. Listen, I turn on a television. I watch Brooks Kepka. I love Greg Norman. I love Jack Nicholson. Tiger Woods doesn't play enough. Golf lost its golden goose. They got to get their drawback. I love Jordan Speath. He didn't get me to a television. I love a lot of actors. They don't get me into a theater. So I say this. The only people that are only right on the internet are anonymous. Isn't that a coincidence? They're always right. And the only people with morals and values in the world are never offered big money or enormous opportunities. I don't have to love the live golf tour and everything it stands for. By the way,
Starting point is 00:07:07 I was offered six figures to do some reads for the live golf tour. I didn't accept it. But, but I didn't badmouth other hosts that did. that's the difference i was offered six figures to do stuff with live golf i was invited the tournaments i said no thank you but i didn't lecture sportscasters that did i didn't lecture anybody that did i'm not in their shoes i don't pay their taxes i don't have their life i don't know what's going on stop lecturing politicians golf tours stop lecturing us when people get great opportunities i'm not in your shoes i don't know what it means to your family maybe get your kids to college. I don't know. You don't know. Years ago, I had a boss, Mike Cutler. He was a news
Starting point is 00:07:53 director. And we were talking about something. And I was getting real preachy and being a young, you know, journalist. And he said, what's your favorite candy bar? And I said, Kit Kat. He goes, do you like three musketeers? And I'm like, yeah, it just never worked for me. He goes, what if I told you the guy that created Kit Kat's the worst human being in the world? Would you stop eating it? I know, I'd probably eat it. He goes, there you go. You think, you know, and you don't know. I remember listening to all the people preaching about Tiger Woods lifestyle choices. I didn't like what he did with his marriage.
Starting point is 00:08:27 I totally disagree with it. But it's just what you knew. It's the Gulf marriage you heard about. Stop pretending you know. I don't have to love every candidate I vote for or every owner of every team. But when people start preaching morals and values, I want to barf. good. This is a win for fans. I want to watch Brooks Kepka. I want to see him in a tournament next week. If you told me seven days from now, I get Brooks Kepka, Dustin Jompson, Phil Mickelson, Rory McElroy, whoever, 10 days from now in a great golf course, pebble beats, they all line up, PGA, live, have a big tour.
Starting point is 00:09:06 You know who's watching? I'm watching. I'm watching. And I don't have to love everything about Saudi Arabia. but they've been involved in this country and in global sports forever. If you don't want to ever watch golf again, I get it. I get it. I'm not telling you you're wrong. But don't tell golfers, when our government's in bed with Saudi Arabia, don't tell individual golfers they can't accept $200 million to hit a golf ball. By the way, golf was the last entertainment entity in America.
Starting point is 00:09:44 that didn't understand a basic content. Basic, basic context. We watch all this stuff for stars. We watch for Beyonce. We watch for Tom Cruise and Denzel. That's what we watch for. Even college basketball and football have figured it out with the NIL. You got to pay the quarterback, the shooting guard.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Got pay him seven figures in college. Forever college in the NCAA stood their moral high ground. Oh, yeah, yeah, forever. You got all these kids in college football running around, ending their football careers at 19 years old. You're not going to pay them? For years and years, I watched the NCAA. And by the way, I was doing it 20 years ago, too. I got into my preachy self.
Starting point is 00:10:28 You can't pay the kids. What about the education? Then I came to terms with it. Get over myself. Pay the players. Pay the kids. And especially pay the quarterback in college football or the star guard in college basketball. Again, if you're disgusted with this today,
Starting point is 00:10:44 I'm not telling you you shouldn't be. But when I listened to the PGA six months ago, lawsuits, morals, values, stop it. The bottom line you signed up for this today, you want to know why? Money. The same reason, your fills and your Brooks and your Dustin's, $200 million. you wouldn't sit down and think about it. You're kidding yourself. You're kidding a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:11:20 And the PGA was. I'm off my soapbox. There you go. I don't have a second story. That's all I want to talk about. That's a damn good rant to open the show, Cowherd. Also, by the way, hey, you could always kick those six-figure reads right over here.
Starting point is 00:11:35 I got no problem reading Livd Golf. Send them my way, big guy. I wasn't offended. I said, I appreciate the offer. it was okay. By the way, I'm not going to say what company offered it to me, nor what radio or TV business
Starting point is 00:11:51 it was for. I turned it down. That was my decision. Had they offered me $10 million, I wouldn't have probably turned it down. They offered me less than that, and I thought at this time in my life, I don't need it, I'm not going to do it. But at the same time I did that, the very next day I went on this network and said,
Starting point is 00:12:08 I defend Phil and Brooks and Greg Norman's right to pursue money from the same entity that has funded sports globally everywhere and been in business with our government forever. Eight decades, I just looked it up. Eight decades. I bet if you went back, I don't know this for sure. If you went back in golf's history, I bet you 20, 30 years ago there was some oil money in golf. for appearances, course design, consulting.
Starting point is 00:12:44 I mean, I don't know. I don't know the history of golf well enough, but 25 years ago, do I believe some of the great legends of golf maybe had flown to the Middle East to do a speaking engagement for a million dollars for an hour speech? I'm going to say maybe that's possible.
Starting point is 00:13:00 You think the high and mighty crowd looks to where their jeans are made or where their iPhones made? Or sports shoes are made? It's just, well, I think we're in a full agreement on this story, and we have been the whole time. Maybe not on the Jets future. Wait, what happened to the Jets now? Come on. Jeez.
Starting point is 00:13:18 All right. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast, Superhuman, documented it all,
Starting point is 00:13:41 embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
Starting point is 00:14:19 This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show,
Starting point is 00:14:36 isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode. where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence.
Starting point is 00:15:45 Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Big news, PGA Tour and Live Tour. Lawsuits are over.
Starting point is 00:16:04 They have now joined forces. Everybody's got a price. Want the moral high ground, join the Peace Corps. The bottom line is their businesses, their entertainment platforms, they've conjoined now to give us more good golf with great stars, and that's what we watch for. Golf was the last entity to not get that. We're not watching for the 38th ranked player. We're watching for Phil and Norman and Jack and Tiger in their primes.
Starting point is 00:16:29 That's what we're watching for. And oh, by the way, the Golden Goose is gone with Tiger Woods, so you don't get those guaranteed Sunday ratings 25 times a year. You better allow Brooks Kepka to be all over that tour because he's the one guy that gets me in. By the way, this is, so Eric Spolstra, nice guy, great coach, got real upset when Ramona Shelburne, very legitimate reporter, very legitimate. I know Ramona lean on her a lot, always trust her sources. She asked a question, and Eric Spolstra bizarrely got really ticked off.
Starting point is 00:17:05 This is probably oversimplifying things, but sometimes when teams play against Yokic, you turn him into a score or you turn him into a passer and he controls the game. He only had four assists. Yeah, that's ridiculous, you know, it's just, that's the untrained eye that says something like that. This guy's an incredible player. You know, twice in two seasons, he's been the best player on this planet. You can't just say, oh, make him a score. We have to focus on what we do. We try to do things the hard way, and he requires you to do many things the hard way.
Starting point is 00:17:44 He has our full respect. The untrained eye of making Yokic more of a score. You mean like the untrained eye of Steve Kerr, who said this on Draymond Green's podcast? To me, it was like, I don't, you know, I haven't. talk to Spoh or anything like that, but I can see them in their coaches meeting saying Murray's the head of the snake, you know, not, not yoke it. Like when you play a team, you sort of realize, wait a second, like that guy's going to, he's going to dominate no matter what we do. So we got, this is the head of the snake. And I think they just decided Murray's the guy, we got to stop.
Starting point is 00:18:25 So you start love, put Jimmy Butler on Murray. And then you saw like they were blitzing Murray quite a bit and really trying everything to take him out of the game. The untrained eye of Steve Kerr. It's not that complicated. The nuggets are 0 and 3 in the playoffs when Yokic has 40 or more points. The perfect Yokic game is 24 and 13. That's when he's at his best. Ball movement, spacing, finding guys open.
Starting point is 00:18:51 A little bit of Arvita Sabonis, Bill Walton. The truth, the untrained NBAI is fanboy on the inner web thinking, my team is always better when my star scores the most points. Michael Jordan once had a 63-point playoff game is best. He lost. Three of the top four scores in the NBA didn't make the playoffs. Michael Jordan had five career games over 60 points. He won two of them.
Starting point is 00:19:24 The untrained eye thinks, just get my star the ball and let him score 58. That's not good basketball. That's why I never bought into James Harden. Four guys standing around watching him dribble the air out of the ball and score 44 points. It's not sustainable. It's not good basketball. Yokic is about many things. The size, the angles, the bodies, the length, the passing, the scoring.
Starting point is 00:19:49 When you turn him into just kind of a score, you take away all the periphery scoring, they're not as good a basketball team. I think Spowe got frustrated. Because kind of like, that's what happened and everybody saw it, and it's not that untrained. When I hear untrained NBA fanboys say, oh, I love when, you know, the late Kobe Bryant had 60. Any Laker fan would tell you, the more Kobe scored, the more Kobe shot, the more the other four guys stood around and weren't involved. The nuggets, the nuggets, the one way that is effective to defend them and it's not easy is take out Jamal Murray. because Yokic overwhelmingly relies on twos.
Starting point is 00:20:35 And in this era of basketball, if Tyler Hero could come back, the Miami Heat would have another three-ball shooter. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Yeah, there's some chatter from some Nuggets fans who are saying the reason Michael Porter was so checked out was he wasn't getting the ball.
Starting point is 00:20:55 He wasn't getting shots. Yeah. So he lost interest defensively. He wasn't in the flow of the game. that ticked off and then Malone ends up benching. That's something that's talked about a lot is if you, like with James Harden, you get guys out of the flow of the game by the time they're back into the game, they're cool. They're not hot.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Yeah. You just kind of checked out and not in the flow. All right, let's get to the NFL. DeAndre Hopkins, still a free agent. So last week you were in Iceland. And I don't know if you got this on your phone over there, but Hopkins, you know, dropped by Arizona. A lot of speculation where you can land.
Starting point is 00:21:26 I had Mangini on last week on the herd. He said that Cleveland Browns were an option. But the Buffalo Bills, GM was asked about Hopkins. Here's what he said. Brandon Bean, we are all about people who want to come to Buffalo. We love it, especially if they fit. Obviously, D'Andre is a heck of a talent, nothing but respect for him. It would definitely have to fit with how we would structure the salary and all that.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Never rule it out, but he's a good player and he'll probably demand a decent contract. I would have loved him in Buffalo. Unfortunately, they've signed three defensive linemen in the last week and a half. Well, I mean, didn't Mix and run them over in the playoff game? They really struggled to stop the run. I don't know, Colin, if you're advising Hopkins, do you say, take less, play for a Buffalo, a Kansas City, a Super Bowl contender? Look at Juju Smith-Schuster, got a three-year contract because he played for Kansas City
Starting point is 00:22:18 on an incentive-laden deal for one year. And now he goes to a bad team like the Patriots. The idea that you always take the most money is wrong. Take a deal. You can pay your rent, pay your mortgage, but take a deal. a deal that you can elevate yourself and then in one year go hit the market or maybe the team that you took a discount with they sign you well the only problem is he's getting up there in age i believe he's on the wrong side of 30 yeah there's a lot of reports that he lost a step last year i don't
Starting point is 00:22:46 know that i necessarily buy it dude they were like one of the worst teams in the league he was not locked in kailer murray is hurt like he wasn't motivated i i'll defend him a little bit i i not that he doesn't have speed, but I've always thought he's more of a big play catch radius guy, uh, run after the cat. I never saw him. It's like that, that highlight we're showing on TV. That's what he did. That's what he did against the Rams.
Starting point is 00:23:09 That's what he's a catch radius yards after the catch getting open. I never saw him as just a pure speed guy. No, definitely not. So the Browns are in the mix. We'll see if the chiefs get in there. My jets, you know, we'll see. They're always in the mix for someone. For the record, not a bad fit there.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Got Aaron Rogers, you know? A big money for a new York. if you're DeAndre Hopkins? Great place to be. Not for everybody. New York's not for everybody. It's like Los Angeles isn't. It's okay. Really? Yeah. I don't know. I've only been out here seven years. I don't know what's not to love. Well, yeah, you know. Just come check it out, people. I promise you. Don't believe the internet hype about avocado toast and all that crap. It's fun out here. All right. Next up, Dak Prescott, his deal runs through the end of 2024. He's already begun discussing a future extension. yesterday. Jerry Jones said the final dollar figure for Dax's next deal is not necessarily tied to the handful of other cowboys that are due a big payday.
Starting point is 00:24:05 They need to negotiate Tony Pollard, 24, CD Lamb, 25, Micah Parsons, 26. So they're going to be busy moving money around. Dak is currently making $40 million a year, which at the time was massive when he signed it. Now he's the ninth highest-pay quarterback in the league. But let's be real, we don't even think he's the ninth best quarterback in the league, right? Well, but we don't, at this point, let's be fair to deck. At this point, he's not ninth, but he's not that far from ninth. When he was the highest paid or second highest paid,
Starting point is 00:24:35 and you thought he was the 10th best quarterback. So look at the highest paid quarterbacks right now in the league. So highest is Lamar. He's not the best. He's the latest. Jalen Hertz, Rogers Wilson, which doesn't feel like a deal. But again, Murray, Deshawn Watson, Mahomes, Alan, Daniel. The one that jumps out to me,
Starting point is 00:24:55 is egregious as Daniel Jones. Dax at $40 million does not jump out as egregious. You know, Kyla Marie hasn't won a playoff game. I know he's the number one pick and all that. But he's a unique playmaker. Daniel Jones is not a unique anything.
Starting point is 00:25:09 I can't believe I'm defending a New York giant player. You think he deserves $40 million. Well, that's a problem. Dak will go to Jerry Jones and say, yo, Daniel Jones made $40 million this year. I'm way better than that bump. That's what Dak would say. Like literally those are his words.
Starting point is 00:25:20 No, Dak would not say. That's not who Dak is. Daniel Jones. Dach's not a money guy. That DAC's not driven. He's not driven by it. He got a massive contract a few years ago. Remember, though, he played for free for three years for the number one football
Starting point is 00:25:34 brand that America and made Jerry Jones about a billion dollars. For free? It's because he was a mid-round pick based on his college career. And went 13 and 3, got him to playoff games. Oh, boy. So here we go. Now we're having a DAC debate. He's going to say, hey, I'm just saying,
Starting point is 00:25:50 Why can't I get Jalen Edwards? $40 million annually, I'm not bothered by Dak. Little more than I'd want to pay him. I'd rather be at 33 to 35, but it doesn't feel egregious. Help. Matt Stafford's making huge money. Excuse me, Matt Stafford won a Super Bowl. And he's also, is he going to be able to play? How's his arm?
Starting point is 00:26:10 You're making me defend Dak at 40 million. I'm just saying this morning I'm not bothered by that. Right. What's to be bothered by is they're working on a new deal for him, where he's going to now want up near $50 million a year. That's what's going to happen. Yeah, I wouldn't go there. I don't believe in negotiating against yourself.
Starting point is 00:26:30 I don't think DAC has a huge market. So I think that's bad business. I would wait to the contract ends. I thought that New York Giants negotiated against themselves. Agreed. Nobody was offering Daniel Jones 30 million. So that's bad business. You want to get interesting with Dak?
Starting point is 00:26:46 They go 9 and 8, miss the playoffs. McCarthy gets fired. New coach comes in. What if he doesn't want Dak? He's like, let's reboot. I'm not paying this guy $50 million here. There are two star quarterbacks this year in the first round. There's another kid out of Washington, the left-hander.
Starting point is 00:27:02 He's a mid-first-rounder. If you don't make the playoffs and you're drafting about 18th, 17th, that kid's going to be available about 15. He's injury history, but I like Pennix. He's got a live arm. It's like Bryce Young. I don't know if he lasts long, but he's good. He could start tomorrow in the league.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Final story, we are contractually. obligated to talk about your man crushed Trevor Lawrence. Oh yeah. Made a massive leap in year two, which was expected. I mean, the guy was incredible at Clemson. He doubled his touchdown total, cut his interceptions in half. Thanks to Doug Peterson. Yesterday, Lawrence discussed how great it's been to have continuity in the coaching staff for year three. To have the same staff, to have a lot of the same players, to have that carryover and the system especially. You know, this is the first time in a while I haven't been learning new offense. So that feels good having that and being able to focus on little parts of my game,
Starting point is 00:27:50 instead of just making sure I got the installs and know the plan coming into practice. You know, obviously you look over that too, but not having that stress of just learning the playbook, I can just really focus on my game and my mechanics. What's going to happen when they win their division again, they will, they get to the AFC championship potentially, let me ask you about Doug Peterson.
Starting point is 00:28:12 Is Doug Peterson a great coach, beat Belichick with Nick Foles in a Super Bowl? I think he's a fascinating guy, was on the beach. There was not a wild scramble for him. Maybe he has a bad agent. I kept saying USC hired Doug Peterson. Doug Peterson's interesting.
Starting point is 00:28:27 I mean, he turned that mess around two months. Interesting. What do you make of him? This theoretical AFC title game. Who's hosting it? Jags or Jets? Kansas City hosts the Jags in the AFC championship game. You don't think that's possible?
Starting point is 00:28:42 By the way, can you do me a solid tonight? There's no NBA. Can you watch Remember the Titans? because he looks exactly like sunshine, the quarterback. I'm forgetting the guy's name. He's an actor who's moderately famous. Trevor Lawrence looks exactly like him, and I can't listen to him and not think of Remember the Titans.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Arguably one of the best football movies in the history of the cinema. I would have watched it last night, but I go to dinner with two people, my wife or NBA Insiders, and Bueker and I went out and ate too much. Heavy boozy night. No, it was not. Bozy Monday. It was a pizza night. Jay Mack with the news.
Starting point is 00:29:14 Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line. So I said this earlier. I would love the bills to go get DeAndre Hopkins, another weapon for Josh Allen. The last time they went big on a weapon, Stefan Diggs, Josh Allen had his best completion percentage, his most touchdown passes, and his highest passer rating. But I see here the bill signed Leonard Floyd, another defensive lineman. That's after signing Puna Ford, a defensive tackle, and Ed Oliver, a defensive tackle to an expensive deal.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Three new defensive linemen salaries, and they still can't get their old line right. When's the last time you thought about Buffalo? You know, they just, that defense is always letting them down. Three of the last four seasons, the bills have had a top two scoring defense in the league. In fact, since Josh Allen has arrived, the Buffalo Bills have the number one total defense in the league. I'd love to see them get D-Hop so you don't double Stefan Diggs, Gabriel Davis disappeared. They moved off Cole Beasley.
Starting point is 00:30:23 I did like them getting a tight end, but a rookie tied-in can't be that much of a game changer. This is what I say. They can't fix their own line. Either can Pittsburgh. What do they have in common? A defensive coach. Do you know the four teams in the league that lead the NFL in spending money
Starting point is 00:30:41 on their defensive side? Chargers, Bill, Seahawks, Steelers, all four defensive coaches. Last five years, they're six and twelve in the playoffs. Eight years they've missed the playoffs completely. For the record, Kansas City a couple years ago, scored 42 on that great Sean McDermott defense. So when I put my NFL Super Bowl teams in the bubble, there's a reason it's mostly offensive coaches.
Starting point is 00:31:09 A San Francisco, a Philadelphia, a Cincinnati, a Kansas City. I mean, we don't think Tua is a great quarterback, right? Like, he's hurt a lot, he's small, he's not super athletic. That division has three defensive coaches and one offensive coach. And Tua is seven and four against the division, never lost to Belichick, four and O. So the one time the Buffalo Bills really spent money on offense, Stefan Diggs, I went and looked at the numbers this morning. The following year, Josh Allen had 107 passer rating.
Starting point is 00:31:43 the most touchdown passes and completed 69%. Let's sign another defensive linemen. Steelers, Seahawks, Chargers, Bills. I mean, I've said this. I watched that Cincinnati game. They can't get the O line right. And you're signing three defensive linemen? I mean, I like it, Oliver.
Starting point is 00:32:09 I like him. I like Leonard Floyd. How about get a guard, a tackle? Can I give you two numbers? Go ahead. Buffalo lost in the playoffs to the Bengals, 2710. One game. Cincinnati rushed for 172 yards in that game.
Starting point is 00:32:25 The year before in the playoffs, bills lose to the Chiefs. I remember 42-36, incredible game. Did you know the Chiefs rush for 182 yards? Buffalo cannot stop a nosebleed in the playoffs when they need to. Their defensive line just gets dumped trucked all day long. They've spent a lot of draft capital on that D-line. And here's another number from that Bengals game. Stefan Diggs, how did you do?
Starting point is 00:32:48 Let's see here. Because you get doubled. He got doubled. Four for 35. 35 yards, Stefan Diggs. He did have 10 targets. Josh Allen, maybe a little. Or maybe when he's the only guy out there and you don't have time to throw because
Starting point is 00:33:02 there's a pass rush and you haven't solved the offensive line. The fact that Stefan Diggs in a playoff game would have 35 yards. Somebody named Khalil Shaker had 40 yards receiving. You think Sean McVeigh or Kyle Schen? Shanahan or Zach Taylor would have gotten the ball to Stefan Diggs a little more often. Probably. Say what you want about Cincinnati. They have tried for two years in a row.
Starting point is 00:33:22 First thing, not fix the D-line. Fix the O line. What, I mean, say what you want. Kansas City, Andy Reed, rebuild an O-line in one season. Tomlin's had five years at it. Can't fix it. McDermott, four or five years at it. Can't fix it.
Starting point is 00:33:39 Where are you spending your money? Top four teams spending money. All defense. defensive coaches. All the top four defensive priority teams, defensive coaches. That's why I worried when Justin Fields got a defensive coach. I got nothing against Matt Eberfluse. I think he's a smart guy.
Starting point is 00:33:57 They had a 10-game losing streak. Offensive lines am mess. I mean, that's my big concern about Justin Fields. If he had any of you read, he'd be fine. McVeigh, fine. Shanahan fine. Zach Taylor fine. I worried defensive coach.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Maybe we need Robert Sala to buck that trend this year. Defensive coach. Get to the Super Bowl. How about that? About damn time. Okay. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's me, Rob Parker.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Check out my weekly MLB podcast inside the Parker for 22 minutes of pipe and hot baseball talk, featuring the biggest names and newsmakers in the sport, whether you believe in analytics or the I-Test, we've got all the bases covered. New episodes drop every Thursday, so do yourself a favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob Parker on the IHartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.
Starting point is 00:35:01 It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:35:24 or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clipper Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations,
Starting point is 00:36:09 stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to? do a little count. Well, you can find out
Starting point is 00:36:41 on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but yeah, yeah, literally. But just so y'all know.
Starting point is 00:37:03 I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS. on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:19 For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Saturday is baseball night in America on Fox. And the next chapter in one of the biggest rivalries in sports awaits as Judge and the Yankees battle the Red Sox, or Cubs take on the Giants, catch the action at 730. Turn on Fox. Check for the game in your area. So this is kind of interesting, according to Paul Gutierrez, who's the Raiders beat writer for ESPN. There remains a possibility that Jimmy GQ, Jimmy Garoppolo, never plays for the Raiders due to his foot injury.
Starting point is 00:38:09 This could be the least controversial, most understood, easiest tank in league history. I know Raider fans, you think you can win the division. You can't. Zero chance. Not happening. Even if you have a good year, rather go 10 and 7, just miss the playoffs or make them and get roasted with no future quarterback, none. Or 3 and 14 in gate. Caleb Williams at USC.
Starting point is 00:38:43 In the better AFC and maybe the best division in football with a very weak defensive roster and a superstar receiver that's pretty unhappy. If Jimmy G. can't play, you are 3 and 14. Nothing against Brian Hoyer. He has not
Starting point is 00:38:58 started and won a game since 2016. Hasn't won a game he started since 2016. So he could play his butt off and play well. Maybe he goes 4 and 13. So the question becomes for the Raiders, have they stumbled into quite possibly the greatest break in 25 years in Raiders history? I mean, if you go look at the Raiders schedule this morning, it is a litany of top quarterbacks, top coaches, and tough road games. At Denver, at Buffalo is O and 2 with Garofalo.
Starting point is 00:39:35 Here come the Steelers at the Chargers. then you have Green Bay and New England, pretty good coaches. You get Chicago, but you got to go there. You get Detroit. You could beat them, but you got to go there. Jared Goff's been great at home. Maybe it's that giant game week nine, Jets, week 10. You tell me, outside of the Colts game at Indy,
Starting point is 00:39:56 and we don't really know on the road if the Raiders would be a favorite, that's a game you'd be a favorite in. Maybe. So I look at this schedule, and sometimes you stumble. into great. We talked about this yesterday. The Philadelphia Eagles were ready to move on from Jalen Hertz for Russell Wilson, and Russell Wilson turned them down in Philadelphia. And then Jalen Hertz exploded and became the MVP candidate and the Super Bowl star that he's become. They stumbled into that. They stumbled into their Nick Foles championship.
Starting point is 00:40:32 So this could be if Jimmy Garoppolo can't play in the AFC, three and four, 14. I mean, in the NFC, Arizona could be bad. You could stumble into five wins in the NFC. You're not stumbling into five, six wins in the AFC. Here's another thing. I was thinking about this. Denver, and you hear this a lot, that the media doesn't respect us. The media doesn't give us attention. And so a lot is, one of the cool things about the NBA is the last five MVPs are all foreign-born players. Luke is probably the next in line. And then here comes Victor Wambayama. He's the next great star.
Starting point is 00:41:13 So the game's very, very global. But sometimes baseball's global, hockey's global, basketball's global. Football's not. Sometimes the NFL is easier to recognize younger players because they played at Ohio State. You watched them three years against Michigan. They were on TV on Saturday. Then they're on TV on Sunday. Very linear, very easy to follow.
Starting point is 00:41:35 Sometimes with international players, we didn't watch them in high school. They didn't watch him in college. They go to a bad team, three years in the league. I mean, I didn't really follow Janus until like year three and four. And so here you have Yokic, a second round, nonverbal, doesn't want any attention, playing in the Rocky Mountains, who doesn't really score like other great players in the league. He's not an intention draw. He's not a TV draw.
Starting point is 00:42:03 He's just a great player. And my takeaway is nobody has anything against. Denver, but I don't think Denver's ever going to be wildly popular in the NBA. The Spurs never were. Is that this game is global. And we, it's, you know, you watch Reggie Bush at USC, then he's on your TV on Sunday, or you watch Tim Tebow or Peyton Manning. Football's entirely domestic. As our leagues get more international, sometimes it takes us a while to embrace or follow or understand or love players that we don't watch play our college sports. So, you know, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't watch Yokic for the first two, three years in Denver. It's just the last couple, and he's a
Starting point is 00:42:40 remarkable player, but, you know, he's 12th in Jersey sales. He's behind Lamello Ball, and he's a two-time MVP and should have won three straight. And so, you know, second round, Rocky Mountain, doesn't talk, no titles. I don't think it's a lack of respect. I think Denver could win this year, next year, and the following year, and could win three titles. I don't ever think there'll be a massive TV draw, but I do find them compelling. I like their story. I like their coach. I like their players. And I'm rooting for them. Nothing against Miami, but I've seen Miami win before. I saw him win with Shaq. I saw him when a couple with LeBron. I've seen Miami win before. It's been a long time for Denver. But I don't think anybody has anything
Starting point is 00:43:21 against Tim Duncan and the Spurs. This wasn't that compelling. It was more about Popovich in his culture. I mean, what was Tim Duncan's nickname? The Big Fundamental. Nobody called Shaq, the big fundamental. Michael Jordan was good fundamentally. That wasn't his nickname. So I think there's this feeling out there that nobody respects, they don't have any titles. Nobody respects Denver. We just don't know much about Denver. We really don't. Last two years is when we really started following them. And there's a lot of good young teams that were just not quite sure if they can. I mean, I've been told for three or four years the Celtics are going to be great. They didn't even get to the finals this year. So, you know, what do you want me to do with that?
Starting point is 00:44:03 So when I hear this constant and nobody respects them, I think people, will respect Denver, but we don't know much about Denver. There are stars a second round guy who's not known as a prolific score. He's a very unique player, where he's a better passer often than a score. Most of the players that we fell in love with had a lot of flash to their game. Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Larry Byrne, I fell in love with basketball, Dr. J. There was a certain quality to them, an aesthetic, an optic, they were dynamic, it was flare. that's not his game. It's just not his game. It wasn't Tim Dungan's game. I mean, Duncan's one of the best players I've ever watched. He's not in my top 20 on guys I'd want to watch.
Starting point is 00:44:47 That's okay. I got nothing against him. Not everybody's fat. Listen, Jeremy Irons is a great actor. I'd rather watch Tom Cruise. I'd rather watch Jamie Fox, Denzel Washington, Michael Keaton. Yeah, I know Jeremy Irons is supposed to be the world's best actor. He didn't get me to a theater. I'm going to say. You know, it's weird. I just went to see if you follow me out on Instagram. You'd don't. But then I went to see if you follow Nicola Yokic. And that's impossible because he doesn't even have an account. And I know that sounds silly, but Lamello Ball, that's a great point you made up because
Starting point is 00:45:16 if Lamello Ball were in the finals, I guarantee you there'd be a lot more buzz. A lot of the young kids who were into Lamello ball and followed his career. Him and his dad and Lonzo. And there would be a lot of juice for it. None of that exists. Yokic is not like a social media guy
Starting point is 00:45:32 at all. And also, centers don't sell shoes. guards do. Kobe sold shoes and Michael and Steph, but generally centers don't sell the shoes. He doesn't embrace social media. He's kind of a nonverbal like Kauai Leonard. Kauai Leonard's nonverbal. I don't know about that tag. Do you think playing in Denver is holding him back? If he were in South Beach, I don't know that it would matter. No, but I would say Denver's known as Broncos territory. And so it's not a vi- we don't look at Denver as like a basketball-driven city. That's not, I mean, I grew up with the nuggets.
Starting point is 00:46:05 they were fun to watch. But when I think of Boston, I honestly think of the Celtics before the Patriots. Because I grew up with the cell. I think it's a Celtics town. Los Angeles. I think it's a Laker town. What about a Dirk Novitsky took Dallas to the finals?
Starting point is 00:46:20 I think it's a cowboy town. Exactly, yeah. There are some cities that are just... I mean, I think Atlanta is an SEC town. I think it's a college football town. Is Milwaukee Yanis or college or the bucks? Milwaukee is the Packers and the Badgers. Packers, right.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Yeah, I mean, so I think Denver is, um, But I guess my whole point is he's just like a nonverbal guy. He doesn't seek attention. I think he's going to play in Denver. Often foreign-born players have a real sense of loyalty to the team that brings them over. You've turned Janice very early. This is where I want to be. I'm going to put a pause on that because we'll see with Luca Donchich.
Starting point is 00:46:57 He might be the first foreign guy who's like, listen, I'm a superstar. I'm out of here. You guys keep screwing it up. And I would hope he does if Mark Cuban can't figure it out for him. You know, when I look at Denver, I have much respect for them, but I don't think they'll ever be a catalyst for TV ratings. That's okay. And they could be some, I don't know about a dynasty, but we'll see.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Boston did get back to the finals. Let me tell you something. The best thing that could happen to college football is the Texas Longhorns and USC get great. Those are glamour programs. Bama's great. They're not a glamour program. Hour two next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,
Starting point is 00:47:29 not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,
Starting point is 00:48:10 embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at a Podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 is big to me
Starting point is 00:48:31 I'm Sam Jay And I'm Alex English Each episode We pick a year unpack what went down And try to make sense of how we survived it With our friends
Starting point is 00:48:40 Fellow comedians And favorite authors Like Mark Lamont Hill On the 80s It was a wild year I don't think There's a more important year for black people
Starting point is 00:48:50 Listen to look back at it On the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your podcasts This is an IHeart podcast Guaranteed in.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.