The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Jalen Hurts has a choice

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

Colin has some advice for the Eagles and Jalen Hurts The Chiefs might be even better next season Possible NFL moves during the offseasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:01:53 You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. It's Tuesday. You think the football season's over. Not a chance. Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio FS1. One hour from now, we're not going to have a herd hierarchy, but we are going to look at from momentum, productivity, age, all things considered.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Who are the 10 best quarterbacks in order going into next season? some interesting guys falling off the list. One or two guys now inserted into the list, all things considered who are their coaches, their coordinators. J-Mack is joining me. J-Mack took a three-and-a-half-hour nap yesterday, I was told. He was sick as a dog wheezing when he left the set. So a total gamer, way to go, where to show up today.
Starting point is 00:02:43 Yeah, Monday was my flu game, like the Jordan flu game. After the Super Bowl, I can't call in sick. Come on, cowherd. But, yeah, just a little under the weather. Last week was a big one. It was. You know, we were in Arizona talking to a lot of fans, shaking a lot of hands. Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Knuckle, fist bumping people. Yes, we were. Well, let's start with this. I read a story this morning. What will Jalen Hertz journey be going forward for the Philadelphia Eagles? Well, it should be a good one, but it may never duplicate this, although it could if he takes less than he can get. I know the young media hates that. Get the bag.
Starting point is 00:03:22 say, Cowboys would have another great receiver in corner if DAC didn't take the bag. Who's happier today in the NFL? Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers or Patrick Mahomes? Philadelphia is probably going to lose a half dozen free agents. If Jalen Hertz is going to get the money, Jalen Hertz could get. Fletcher Cox probably retires. I think Jason Kelsey will. Lane Johnson could.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Brandon Graham could be gone. If you look at the biggest 12 quarterback cap hits in the league, one guy, Mahomes is a winner. Tannehill, Cousins, Gough, Aaron Rogers, Wentz, Dak, Carr, Darnold, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson. One guy, one guy, multiple playoff wins. That list is an indictment of paying your quarterback. I know.
Starting point is 00:04:18 You've got to give him the most. I like Jalen Hertz a lot. he's a really good quarterback who had a nice Super Bowl. He's not Mahomes, and here's the difference. Mahomes took a seventh round rookie running back, an offensive line with a kid at center and right guard, a completely average receiving core relying on Juju Smith-Schuster in the Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:04:44 and Cadarius Tony, who came midway through the season. Jalen Hertz had the best offensive, line in the league, the most capable tight ends, arguably the best duo at wide receiver, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith. Miles Sanders is a Pro Bowl level running back. Folks, Brock Purdy took a stacked roster to the NFC championship. Now, I like Jalen Hertz, a lot more than Brock Purdy. But let's not compare Mahomes and Jalen Hertz. Because Jalen was really good in that game. Holmes was doing it with a seventh round running back, a younger offensive line with no absolute guarantee Hall of Famers on it. Jalen Hertz had the best center in the game, Locke Hall of Famer,
Starting point is 00:05:35 and the best right tackle arguably in a decade. Both could leave. I know everybody is saying you've got to take the most. But my takeaway is Jalen Hertz could send a real message like Patrick Mahomes did. Listen, I'm going to sign a deal that gives our team a little wiggle room. Now, again, Mahomes was a massive cap hit this year. But he is also easily the best player in the league. He is a force multiplier. He makes everybody better. They've rebuilt the O line, the receiving core, and the defense in three or four years. It has had zero impact, zero impact on wins. So the journey for Jalen Hertz, ask yourself today, you know you're not Mahomes. Do you want to hoist trophies?
Starting point is 00:06:28 Do you want to be back here? That list is an indictment of the biggest cap hits for quarterback. It's an indictment on what happens. You think Aaron's happy today? Nobody can get a hold of him. He's at a darkness retreat. Think Russell Wilson's happy today? I saw him in Arizona.
Starting point is 00:06:44 I don't think he is. Sometimes you got to be. sacrifice a little. Harts is excellent, but I can see Philadelphia. In two, three, four weeks, losing six or seven players. This may be the best version. And the only thing to ensure you can bring back a roster that's close to it is doing something that's semi-team friendly. I want to switch to this. The scary thing about dynasties is dynasties usually in all sports have an arc. Right? Like the Seahawks one with all these young guys and then they got there again and then it ended very quickly. Golden State's a great example. Think of the Warriors.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Was last year the year to get them. Clay Thompson was about 70%. None of the young guys, Wiseman, Comingamudy, were ready to play. Jordan Poole would have good nights, but let's be honest, could disappear for stretches. Now, and I know they're not playing great now because Steph says, But Jordan Poole's a better, more consistent player. Gary Payton the second will be ready for the playoffs. Excellent defender, Dante DeVincenzo, veteran guard. That back court is significantly better than last year and healthier.
Starting point is 00:08:03 And Jonathan Cominga is now in the rotation. Last year to me, the fact they won last year, young guys weren't ready. They weren't. Jordan Poole was hit and miss. They're going to have way more depth in about two months when everybody's ready to go. That's scary. And that's Kansas City. First of all, I've always had this belief that to be a Super Bowl contender, you have to be a B plus or an A at four things.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Owner, GM coach quarterback. You'd have to go back to the Bill Walsh, Eddie D. Bartolo, McVeigh, Joe Montana, Niners, where you have four A pluses. because the Patriots never were an A-plus at GM. Hunt family, A-plus, non-meddling, good money, totally supportive. Brett Veitch, GM, finding starters in the sixth and seventh round. Andy Reed and Mahomes. To me, there's an argument to be made like the Warriors. This was the year to get Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:09:07 This was the year to knock them off. Rookie running back, four rookies in the secondary. Bolton, a kid really good at line. Linebacker, corner, running back, wide receivers. They still need another dependable star. They were breaking in new faces and young guys. And what scary is, they have 11 draft picks. Strangely, they're in a pretty good space with their cap.
Starting point is 00:09:36 They have no major holes on their roster. And whereas Jalen Hertz today just lost his play caller, he may lose his D.C., he just lost, his offensive coordinator and play caller, good luck replacing Shane Steichen. Even if Eric B. Enemy left, Matt Nagy, Andy Reid's guy was quarterback coach. Plug him in. It feels like this was kind of the year to get them. And nobody did, right? I mean, Cadarius Tony came in mid-season.
Starting point is 00:10:11 What, he touched them all in the Super Bowl? Five times. They all felt dynamic. He's going to be much better. The offensive line's got a kid at center and, right guard. They'll just keep getting better. Feels like to me, Philadelphia could be really good next year. I think they will be. But there's going to be guys leaving, like a couple guys retiring, and they lost their play caller. I don't know. Like, it is weird that Golden State won
Starting point is 00:10:37 last year. Young guys weren't ready. Clay Thompson was hurt. They didn't have a ton of depth. Now it's like, look at that back court in two months. Like Jordan Poole's better. Gary Payton will be ready to play, he'll be ready to play. DeFincenzo fits their system. Now Cominga actually gets some minutes. That may have been the year, and it may have been the year for Kansas City. Our friend Nick Wright,
Starting point is 00:11:01 he'll be on next hour, announced the Chief's Dynasty yesterday on his show. Drop the banner. Oh, yeah. I'm on the record. He is the best we've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Your right, he is. You're right. That's a great take by you. I just wonder if we have a way to officially announce a dynasty. I'm thinking we do. I'm thinking we, oh, we do have a dynasty. Oh, oh, you know what for you? Yes, they were a little obnoxious yesterday, but listen, all these dynasties, they have arcs.
Starting point is 00:11:39 You know, New England had one, then 10 years no Super Bowl wins, then they had another, then it aged very quickly as they couldn't draft and develop wide receivers. I don't see the holes for Kansas. city. Owner, GM coach, quarterback. Young secondary guys getting better. Young O'Line getting better. Wide receiver worked, it'll only get better. I mean, I'm trying to think who they would draft a tackle. I think they'll probably draft an offensive tackle. Probably go get another running back, but I don't see the holes. It's not bad. Cadarius Tony will abs, you know, Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster had a very good Super Bowl. These guys are hurt often, though. I'm not saying it's a
Starting point is 00:12:17 strength, but Cadarius Tony will be a difference maker next year. If he's healthy, yes. He's had a lot of business. Guy Moore, rookie, absolutely got better as the year progressed. So it's not a- He disappeared, but it's not a weakness. It's not great. It's not Philly, but it's not a weakness.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Speaking of Philly, I counted him up. Seven free agent defensive starters. Seven. Two on the offensive line and Miles Sanders running back. So you're looking at 10 starters hitting free agency for the Eagles, possibly, and now you've got to pay Jailen Hertz. Yeah, I've never understood. I always say if I was a fan and that's not what I am anymore,
Starting point is 00:12:54 I would always be rooting for my team to have financial flexibility. Why would I care if a quarterback gets paid a lot? I don't hang out with him. He's not taking me out for drinks. He's not taking me on vacation. I don't want my star quarterback to be the highest paid guy in the league. I want my team to be flexible so you can go get a cadarius, Tony. You can go get players.
Starting point is 00:13:14 the idea that I'm rooting for a guy to get rich, these guys are all rich. I don't need richest quarterback. It means nothing in my life. What means something in my life is my team can make moves and is Dallas this year. You think they'd be a better football team if they could have afforded another wide receiver? Watch Dallas pull back next year. Like they needed, they had a terrible, the Cowboys don't have a second corner or a second star receiver. You could if you didn't pay DAC, what you pay DAC.
Starting point is 00:13:41 What about the Eagles losing both coordinates? likely today. It's official. And Stuyken, the Chargers loved him. They loved him. The Eagles loved him. He is now the young hot coordinator, not just because of Philadelphia. And again, Janele Hertz is talented.
Starting point is 00:13:59 You start losing a star play caller and your center. What happened to Buffalo after they lost Brian Dable? The offense did not look as good. Oh, at the end of the year, it regressed badly. Outplayed twice by Miami. Skyler Thompson gave him. I mean, I challenge. Beat up two, I did.
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Starting point is 00:16:09 Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tauntons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. So Derek Carr today is expected to be released. It's not necessarily bad news for Derek Carr.
Starting point is 00:16:36 It saved the Raiders, a bunch of money like $40 million. And it also, Derek Carr can now pick his team, right? So, and I think Carolina is the feel. There's another story, Jimmy Garoppolo and Tampa may work. That's always felt like one of the better fits to me. Tom Brady's retired. My guess is Aaron Rogers sticks with Green Bay. That's my guess.
Starting point is 00:16:57 We have had big moves, a big move three straight years. Brady, Stafford, Russell Wilson. And there's much speculation that Lamar Jackson to Miami is Jason McIntyre, engineered that rumor two months ago, he could be right. I think the one you have to really think about, and he's not a star, and you really got to think about this, put your pom-poms down in Chicago, is moving off Justin Fields. Here's why.
Starting point is 00:17:25 In two years, he's been bad and bad. Well, the offensive line, no, it's actually rated 14th in the NFL. Burroughs is rated significantly worse this year. In two years, he completes 59%, has a passer rating under 80, 24 TDs, and 21 picks. It's bad. Justin Herbert started first game as a pro. He told he was starting five minutes before the game. His offensive line that year was ranked dead last in the league, and his coach was uncreative
Starting point is 00:18:01 and got fired. He put up huge numbers. His offensive line is significantly worse as a race. rookie than the Bears this year. Andrew Luck's first two years, 11 and 5, 11 and 5. His O-line was much worse. Joe Burroughs, this year is ranked 28th. Last year it was atrocious, and he got to a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:18:25 You can't use the O line anymore. It ain't great, but it's not Herbert rookie year bad. It's not Cincinnati last three years bad. It's not close to Andrew Luck bad. And those guys won a lot. I mean a lot. And many of their coaches. Andrew Lux got fired.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Justin Herbert's got fired. It's not like, well, the weapons. Oh, the weapons. Bears have good backs on an excellent young tight end. They could use another receiver. But again, his protection is better than anybody wants to acknowledge. And whereas with Josh Allen and Jalen Hertz, I saw tremendous, staggering growth year one to year two, I didn't with Fields.
Starting point is 00:19:13 He's more YouTube star, sensational plays, but the little stuff, footwork, accuracy, I think you have to consider it. Here's four reasons. One more season of average to bad, and you'll get nothing for him. Secondly, the Bears have a defensive coach and a defensive culture, and they didn't draft him. He's not their guy. Third, Chicago probably won't have the number one pick for a while.
Starting point is 00:19:41 I don't think they'll be good, but you're not going to be in this territory again. Use the opportunity. And four, you had Khalil Mack and Roquan Smith and you couldn't win games. You think Will Anderson is going to come in and turn the franchise around? In an offensive pivoting league where it's hard to go in a 10-game losing streak, in a year the Packers were down and the Vikings and Lion defenses were atrocious. They lost 10 straight games.
Starting point is 00:20:16 I think you have to consider calling Atlanta and saying, we'll give you Justin Fields, give us your eighth pick, go get Bryce Young, and then go get another the second or third best edge rusher. I like Justin Fields, but I've never ever thought he was Trevor Lawrence. I don't think he's close to Caleb Williams or Drake May.
Starting point is 00:20:37 I don't think he's an Andrew Luck. I don't think he's a guy that can succeed if the circumstances are great. He's more Trey Lance. He'll work if he gets the right stuff. And I don't know if Chicago will have the right stuff. But all you have to do is go to PFF and look at O lines. This is middle of the pack. Some of those young guys they drafted ended up being pretty good.
Starting point is 00:20:59 They spent a lot of draft capital on the O line. And a lot of those guys were starting and pretty good. and they've got capable backs and a top tight end. And I think a good offensive coordinator. Yes, they could use other receivers. Nobody disputes that. But the numbers for fields have not been great. If he struggles next year, you'll get nothing for him.
Starting point is 00:21:22 Now you could probably get the eighth pick. I mean, if Carr goes to Carolina and Jimmy goes to Tampa, you think Arthur Blank owner of the Falcons wants to sit there and be awful again? And I don't think so. Not like I know Arthur Blankwell, but I don't think so. I think it's something you absolutely have to consider. This organization wasn't winning with Roquan Smith. And one one with Khalil Mack. You weren't posting playoff wins. What's Will Anderson going to do? Good player. He'd be a great finishing piece for a young, you know, if Kansas City could get him at the end of the first round, it'd be great for them. They don't
Starting point is 00:22:02 have a lot of big needs. They have Chris Jones inside and Frank Clark. But to build around, let's just be a good player in an offensive leaning sport. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. NFL season over, but a lot of stuff happening around the league this week. It's very busy. But let's go back to the Super Bowl to start. Andy Reid, he was considered one of the best NFL coaches before his second Super Bowl win over the Chiefs, for the Chiefs, sorry, on Sunday. After the game, Patrick Mahomes said it meant a lot to the team to help Reed solidify his legacy with the dub. He's one of the greatest coaches of all time. I think everybody knew that, but these last two Super Bowls kind of submitted that.
Starting point is 00:22:46 And to have someone that is such a great person who gets the best out of the players and to become men and players, you wanted to do that. You wanted to win those Super Bowls for them. man, it was, it's great that we did that. And like he said, man, we're not done. I'm going to have them around here for a little bit longer, at least. I like to provide context or try to, Colin. I look this up. Before getting Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid was, what, a good coach, very good.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Oh, I thought it was very, very good. Top five in the league easily, top three, arguably. Prima Holmes, Andy Reid was one in five in NFC title games, oh and one in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Well, yeah, but he was getting to title games. games. And that's the thing. Say what you want about John Lynch. John Lynch isn't winning them because he doesn't have the great quarterback. But John Lynch is getting, Kyle Shanahan is getting
Starting point is 00:23:40 you in to big playoff games. And that's what Andy Reid was doing. Remember, championships is a lot of, do you think it's kind of crazy that Belichick now can't win without Brady? When you have a great quarterback, you go from really good San Francisco, put Mahomes on the Niners this year. It kind of changed. And the coach suddenly looks like a genius. So Reed was 10 and 9 in the playoffs in Philadelphia.
Starting point is 00:24:05 That is a cut above 500. And remember, when Reed was in the NFC, it was the better conference. Now, New England was the best team, but there was a feeling it was an overall better conference. Now Andy's doing it in a significantly better conference.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Now think about that. that tells you how good Mahomes is rookie running back, average receiving core, tougher conference, Super Bowl champ. So I mean, there's a lot of context with Andy. Andy in an era where the NFC, when Andy was over there, the Giants won two
Starting point is 00:24:36 Super Bowls. The Cowboys were more functional. I mean, there was a lot of, I mean, Chicago, by the way, had some of Aaron Rogers and Farr. Yeah. Like, it was a better conference. So 10 and 9 in Philly in the playoffs, with Patrick the Holmes, 11 and 3.
Starting point is 00:24:51 And look how many of those. I know people want to play this whole like who's the more important Reed or Mahomes. Oh, it's Mahomes. It's a marriage. No, no, no, but it's a 60-40 quarterback. I mean, 51-49? I mean, listen, I know Mahomes was very good in the Super Bowl, but the play calls in the red zone
Starting point is 00:25:07 were Andy Reid. Yeah, no, I think I think we both know Belichick and Brady Tom early in his career was not a great quarterback. So Belichick gets credit for the early ones. It's like a game manager, right? Tom gets credit, majority of the credit for the late one. Yeah, Tom Brady is making those fourth quarter comebacks in the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:25:23 I'm not trying to disparage either one. I just think, you know, Reed was very good with before Mahomes. Very good. Now he's incredible with Mahomes. It shows you that ultimately you can have a cake. It's a good cake. But if you want it to be the best, okay, you got to have the guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Right. Next up, this news just broke here in the last hour. The Baltimore Ravens have hired an offensive coordinator and it's Georgia's OC Todd Munkin. He had been with the Baltimore. dogs for the last three years, two national championships. He spent eight years in the NFL. So, Colin, the defending national champs, two-time defending national championships, lose their OC to the NFL. And the first question everybody's asking is, will Todd Munkin's philosophy offensively mesh with Lamar Jackson? Your thoughts? I don't know. I mean, Georgia has significantly
Starting point is 00:26:16 better players than virtually everybody they play except Alabama. And now you go and to a division where I would argue that Cincinnati and Pittsburgh have at least as good of players as you do in Cleveland's close. Oh, Baltimore skill position players are among the worst in the league. So this is not an easy pull. I do think they'll resign Lamar, but I think that's a go-either-way scenario. So I was reading about some Amundkin's philosophies. He likes the 12 personnel, one running back, two tight ends, two receivers, which meshes with
Starting point is 00:26:47 what the Ravens have done, the heavy packages. but I do wonder, Colin, Munkin just coached Stetson Bennett at Georgia offensively to two national championships. You don't think he's an NFL quarterback to you. Wait a minute. I had Feldman on my podcast, Bruce Feldman, say yes, he's a mid to late round pick.
Starting point is 00:27:05 Colin? Listen, nobody's saying Stetson Bennett is incredible. You just said Brock Purdy got to the NFC championship game. If you can reset the quarterback in Baltimore and go from Lamar Jackson wants all of the money, to Stetson Bennett mid-round pick. You're on that thing. You've been on this now for a month.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Pro football focus. Baltimore had the second-graded offensive line in the league. Healthy Ronnie Stanley. They got the new center, Lyndon Ball from Iowa. Your theory is a good one, which is we are seeing now. Now, Jalen Hertz is much better than Brock Purdy. But we didn't think that coming in. Right, did we?
Starting point is 00:27:38 Did we think Jalen Hertz is going to be in the Super Bowl three years ago? No way. No, the point being, if you can load the roster up, take Stetson Bennett for two years. I mean, I'm not even sold if Kenny Pickett's great. He won six of his last seven starts where he played the full game. Kenny Pickett with a battle line and a defensive coach. So you and I went back and forth on this.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Is there going to be a trend that if you don't have a Mahomes or a Herbert or a great, you know, the top five guy? Right. That you just draft these third, fourth, fifth round guys and stack your roster. That's the move. So if he whiffs, you go get another one. one. But you've got a great roster, so all you need is a ready. I mean, Stets and Bennett started what? At least 29, 30 college games. Not as many as Purdy, but he's got two years of
Starting point is 00:28:27 starts. Hey, don't screw it up. Here's the keys to the Ferrari. Don't wreck it. I think to get at TCU, Max Duggan, by a third round pick. Can you put him on a Baltimore? Plug and play, right? Yeah, if your scout, scouting department says Dougans better than Bennett, and I have no idea what Scouts say on those two guys. But if it is, Draft Duggan, load your roster up, go buy a wide receiver. I think it's, if you don't have a star, what's the second option? And it's your option. So you franchise tag Lamar this year.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Stetson Bennett learns the offense, sees what an NFL locker room is about. Then you say, Lamar, we're not paying you, hit the market, have fun. Stetson Bennett's our guy. And oh, by the way, look at the riches. Look at the embarrassment of riches we have on offensive defense. I think if you don't have Mahalms or a top five guy, that's an argument, the second thing to do, which is don't pay your quarterback anything. By the way, Taylor Heineke.
Starting point is 00:29:23 Taylor Heineke this year beat Aaron Rogers in the game. He got to the playoffs two years ago. I know he didn't win a game. But he played Brady pretty tight in that playoff game. And I would love to hear NFL front offices, do they believe this is going to be the next trend, Colin? Because, again, I like Lamar Jackson a lot. But the last two years, he hasn't been a top five quarterback.
Starting point is 00:29:43 And he's been hurt. He's been hurt a little bit. He's got the running at $45 million a year? No, I think we're going to see Dallas potentially regress significantly. You and I both agree with that. And they gave Dak a lot of money. I like Dak. You can like Dak, but.
Starting point is 00:29:58 I don't like him at $45 million. That's the problem. I like Russell Wilson. I don't like him at a $55 million number. Well, I like Sean Payton coaching him better than I do McCarthy and Dak. All right. Final story, Arizona Cardinals. Geez, we thought the culture of dumpster fire.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Arizona is a mess. They have narrowed their coaching search to two candidates. Arizona's picking between Jonathan Gannon, the Eagles, D.C., who could not get one stop in the second half of the Super Bowl, and Bengals' defensive coordinator Lou Anarumo. I'm sure I butchered his name. This does it. By the way, Brian Flores was up for this and said, no, thank you, and went, I think, to Minnesota. This is a mess. This organization is toxic. Can you give some positive words to Arizona Cardinals fans? You know, my positive words for Arizona Cardinals. fans, go buy Sun season tickets. Go watch Katie and Chris Ball and Booker.
Starting point is 00:30:47 I think this organization right now is out of control. They're a complete utter mess. Nobody wants to coach Kyler Murray and Bidwell's losing his mind. He's screaming at Steve Kime. Apparently they had a big blow up. They're a mess.
Starting point is 00:31:03 D. Hop wants out. Former players with Kyler are banging on him. It's a mess. It's the worst franchise right now because of their situation. It's situationally. It's the worst franchise in the league. It's amazing. Last year at this time, we were like,
Starting point is 00:31:17 Cardinals on the uptick, Kyler made the playoffs. This team's going in the right direction. Now, the coach is gone, the GM is gone, the quarterback's hurt. They're saying he's going to start the season on the pup list. It pays $5 million a year and nobody wants the job.
Starting point is 00:31:30 What does that tell you? I'm curious. Your thoughts on Gannon, like the second half of the Super Bowl, Colin, the chief suggested Gannon didn't do any. They could not stop anything that Andy Reed was throwing at him. This mighty defense. that destroyed the NFC.
Starting point is 00:31:45 It is amazing to me that Eagle fans are blaming the ref on a play you're allowed to call when your defense and your special teams and your run game. But the defense was atrocious. They all let Jalen Hertz down, all of them. Now, I would have more confidence in the Bengals, D.C., who has been outstanding against the AFC this season. I mean, he's coached really well, second half, which is adjusting. Like, anybody can go in with a good job.
Starting point is 00:32:13 game plan after the week. You can have an awesome show. Colin, if we got huge breaking news in an hour. That's the difference. You've got to flip things quickly. Bengles have been the best defensive adjusting team in the league for two years. No doubt. Back to back, they've been the best adjusting defense in the league. No question. Can you adjust on the fly and pivot quickly? I don't know if Gannon can. Yeah, J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.
Starting point is 00:32:35 The Hurd-Lie News. I got so much here. By the way, can I for a second say this? if you speed on the freeway, and I'm saying you only go like eight miles an hour, nine miles an hour over, you now have allowed a police officer the right to give you a ticket. If you are late to a big meeting at work, you have allowed your boss to demote you. If you grab a wide receiver out of a break with a couple of minutes left in the Super Bowl, you have given the official the right to throw a flag. Don't give people in power the opportunity to ticket you, flag you, or demote you.
Starting point is 00:33:26 James Bradbury held. And can we stop with the it ruined the game? A great three-hour movie isn't really. completely because you don't like the ending. And a terrible movie isn't elevated significantly to great because it's got a funny ending. It was amazing. 113 million people viewed it on TV. It was a great game with an odd ending.
Starting point is 00:33:54 But you're telling on yourself, if you're trying to convince me, it ruined everything. You're an eagle fan or an eagle better. I didn't love the ending. But it was a great game. and a showcase of remarkable quarterback play and two really aggressive offensive coaches. One is one of the best coaches in the history of the game. But you can't just reverse it. If the game would have been the Patriots Ram Super Bowl, which was a snooze fest.
Starting point is 00:34:24 But there was a close play late and it was a great call. Would you call that an all-time great Super Bowl because of a call? Then you can't tell me this was a bad Super Bowl. On a call, by the way, a lot of people. agreed with. Like, I didn't love the ending, but when you speed, when you show up late to a meeting, when you grab out of a route, you are giving somebody in power the right and the opportunity to throw a flag. Don't. That's on you. It's not on the official. I know, I know. Most cops won't if you're nine miles an hour over.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Most bosses won't if you're late. And most officials may not throw that flag. But again, we live in a society where everybody's a victim, the president, my parents, my boss, I should be much more successful. Why were you wearing dark gloves when the chiefs had the rare white jersey? That's coaching or a lack of. The Patriots wore white gloves when they faced teams in the playoffs with white jersey. That is the difference between a head coach Nick Sariani and Andy Reid, The Little Things.
Starting point is 00:35:40 That was the difference between McVeigh and Belichick and Sean admitted it later. They failed on the little things during preparation. They over-analyzed and over-coached. When you watch those Red Zone plays from Andy Reed, they saw flaws and habits of the Eagles, and they worked them. You may want to look in the mirror. blame your DC who may get the Arizona job. Don't give people in power the opportunity to flag you, ticket you, and demote you. Top of the hour, Nick Wright stops by.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hi, this is Jay Glazer, and you may know me for the world of football or fighting or even shows like HBO's ballers. What you don't know is for my entire life, I have lived in something. to is the gray depression anxiety so now i'm coming out with a new podcast unbreakable a mental health podcast with j glazer where each week while we talk about mental health i hope to describe it give it words listen to unbreakable with j glazer on the i heart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts imagine an olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged it's the enhanced games some call it grotesque others say it's unleashed
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Starting point is 00:38:47 of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Bole your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sunday, the 2003 NASCAR regular season gets underway with the Great American race. The Dutton of 500. Sunday at 2.30 Eastern only on Fox and the Fox Sports app. All right, you got to have a coach and a quarterback to win in this league. The Colts announced Shane Steichen. He has just been the play caller and the offensive coordinator for the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:39:24 Super bright. Chargers had him. Tom Telesco just went on and on and on in his younger years about how good this kid was, Shane Steichen. Now he's with the Eagles. He's going to be good. So I think they've got the right coach and the right mom. mindset, now they've got to figure out a quarterback. And if you look at the draft, I do think the Colts are going to get one of these top
Starting point is 00:39:43 three quarterbacks. I don't think any of these quarterbacks are good enough to overcome dysfunction necessarily. I think next year you have two that can. This guy's super bright. So Carolina hires an offensive coach. The Colts hire an offensive coach. Denver hires a great offensive coach.
Starting point is 00:40:01 The Texans, shocker, go defensive coach. Although I like Demico Ryans. And Arizona's a tire fire, so who cares? But I was watching the Super Bowl. And this happens all the time. Like you get a cultural change. And like some people pivoted very quickly in baseball to analytics. Some people in the NBA, the Warriors, the smarter people pivoted very quickly to analytics.
Starting point is 00:40:27 The Lakers didn't. That's why the Warriors are a dynasty and the Lakers are a mess. Because it all happened 10 years ago were the Warriors heavily pitted pivoted to three-point shooting. And the Lakers, Byron Scott at one point was the coach, they were stubborn. They just had old school thinking. Not with the Lakers, we'll get stars, we'll get the White Howard, we'll get. That's why the Lakers today are a mess.
Starting point is 00:40:52 They just had to engineer some deals and get some shooters, like Malik Beasley or DeAngelo Russell. It's a little too late. They're currently, they lost last night to Portland. But when I'm watching Andy Reid in the Super Bowl, I can't be the only person that thought this. he's turned juju smith schuster into a valuable super bowl wide receiver he took sky more a rookie and cadarius tony a mid-season pickup did you watch that in the red zone and think how do you hire a defensive coach seriously i just
Starting point is 00:41:23 i mean think about the jets couldn't score a touchdown last three games defensive coach the bears lost 10 straight defensive coach the texans 31st on offense defensive coach i'm not doubting these guys are smart guys. But the world's changed. You can use the internet or encyclopedias. You may get the right answer with both. One's much more efficient and it's not the books. I'm watching that Super Bowl and my takeaway on this is I don't know how these organizations
Starting point is 00:41:50 are hiring defensive coaches. And again, I said Brian Flores to the tire fire in Arizona, maybe the sort of rigid defensive special teams guy, they need to say. the franchise. But God, when you watch Minnesota replaces very good Mike Zimmer and get significantly better. It's like same guys, same bad, I mean, their strengths were their weaknesses were their weaknesses, and they turn like eight close losses into 11 and O and close wins. It was the coordinator.
Starting point is 00:42:27 It was the coach. It was the same quarterback, same receivers, same old lines, same running back, mostly reasonable division mostly. Green Bay pulled a little back. But, I mean, there was a real shocking moment for me this year at the end of the year. And I talked about it on the air when it was a real eye-opener when both Tua and Skyler Thompson went to Cold Weather Buffalo against Josh Allen and that offense and that defense. And they both kept it close against the bills. Why? Is Tua great? No. Is Skyler Thompson good? No, Mike McDaniel worked Sean McDermott. And these offensive coaches not only can't quite get the sensibility right,
Starting point is 00:43:14 is it just me or are most defensive coach teams bad in the O line? I like Mike Tomlin. Five years, they can't figure out the O line. I think Sean McDermott's good. Five years, they can't figure out the O line. I don't know. I watched the Chargers this year with what is believed to be a very smart defensive coach. They were the only team in the league that was bad on offense in the second half with a star quarterback.
Starting point is 00:43:47 One team in the league, the Chargers. All the other bad second half offenses had bad quarterbacks or were just bad teams. So, you know, again, you can use the internet or inciscied. Cyclopedias. I could get the same answer maybe with both. But I'm watching Andy reading that Super Bowl, and my takeaway is, listen, seven of the last eight coaches in the playoffs this year were offensive coaches. And then there was Josh Allen. Who, by the way, regress this year. And the run game never really popped. And the offensive line continues to be an issue outside of center. So, I mean, I'm watching Juju Smith-Schuster, who Pittsburgh games, gave up on, was kind of silly, talented, but couldn't separate. Cadarius Tony came in late. Sky Moore. They take the Packers' third best receiver.
Starting point is 00:44:41 It's like they were more productive without Tyreek Hill and a rookie running back. I just don't think a defensive coach could come close to pulling that off. And so when I see the Colts higher today, my takeaway is they got it right. young offensive coach. They're not going to be very good next year because they're going to have to draft a quarterback, but they got one of the two things I think you have to have to win Super Bowls.
Starting point is 00:45:11 When Belichick can't make the playoffs, the best coach probably in our lifetime, can't make the playoffs in a division where the jets remained dysfunctional and Miami's quarterback couldn't stay healthy in the last month. And Buffalo regressed, and they still couldn't make the playoffs. It feels like a thing. It feels like a thing.
Starting point is 00:45:34 Arizona, Brian Flores, to save the franchise, kind of feels like the move. Not the best move I would have hired John Payton. He didn't want the job. Not the best move I'd get Jim Harbaugh. He didn't want the job. So their offensive guy, they weren't up for, the top agents have the top coaching candidates.
Starting point is 00:45:52 None of them are going to Arizona. So it's not like Brian Flores would have been my first choice, but I do think of the defensive coordinators with a resume, he would have been the best available choice. With Stuyken having worked with Herbert and Jalen Hertz, which quarterback do you think he prefers at the top of the draft? C.J. Stroud, Levis, or Bryce Young? Because one of those three is not like the other two. That's a great question. That's a great question. Hour two in L.A. next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman
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