The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Jaylen Waddle Puts Broncos Over the Top, JJ Redick Deserves Credit

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin reacting to breaking NFL news: the Broncos acquire WR Jaylen Waddle from the Dolphins. J-Mac explains why he loves this move for Denver to put them over the top as AFC contenders. He credits Lakers head coach JJ Redick for LA’s recent winning streak and getting the most out of LeBron James, Luka Doncic and Austin Reaves.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. It's Tuesday here on the herd. Jason McIntyre back in for Colin Cowherd, who's on a vacation, and boy, is he missing a lot. The Lakers win again. Kevin Durant is horrific. We got the World Baseball classic title game. tonight and oh my gosh an NFL trade just went down shaking up the AFC

even more. Rachel Nichols, we got a great show today. Oh my, don't you love it when a trade happens like right before the show? I mean this is just a great week on the calendar, right? Of the sports calendar, everything's happening right now. Everything's happening. And even the NFL, not in season, chimes in with this deal.

We got we got mock drafts dropping that I don't like it all, but it's not about the mock draft er. It's about the players. We'll get to that. later in the show. But we got to start with the NFL trade. They're calling this a blockbuster. I don't know that I would go there. The Broncos and Dolphins make a seismic trade. You got Jalen Waddle going from Miami to Denver, Waddle and a fourth in exchange for a first, third, and fourth. There it is on the screen. So the Miami Dolphins will now have the 30th

pick in the first round, 30th overall, and a third and a fourth. Miami pretty clearly signaling what they're So a long time ago, somebody smart told me, Jay, don't believe people when they say something, believe people when they do something. Somebody comes out and says, oh, I want to start a business. And they're playing video games around the clock. Right? Somebody says, I want to write a screenplay. And they're out boozing it up three nights a week at bars. Okay.

Believe their actions for the last month and change of Miami Dolphins have been said, we're not tanking. No, we're not tanking. That's not a thing we do. We just got rid of Tyreek Hill and Bradley Chubb so we could clean up our cap. And then the Miami Dolphins went out and said, we're going to go get Malik Willis. See, that's not what tanking teams do. We've got maybe our franchise quarterback.

And then now five minutes later, here come the Dolphins trading one of their three good players. Guys, I'm not even exaggerating. The Miami Dolphins roster is horrible. Did I say horrible? Horrific. It's terrible. It's right down there with the Jets. and it's very clear the signal is out, Miami is tanking.

I know you don't want to hear it. Tanking's for the NBA. No, the Miami Dolphins have a clear vision. We need to clear up our cap, clean it all out, let's get rid of the old players from the old regime, and let's target the 2027 draft. They are loading up. I saw they have four third round picks or fourth round picks

for next year's draft. Everybody knows next year's draft is the one with quarterbacks. Okay? Arch Manning would be the big prize. Everybody would love him. My Jets would love him. They are also in full-on tank boat. I mean, Gino Smith, really?

Seriously. And if you don't want to Arch Manning, find a car at Notre Dame's very good, or you can just get the guy who comes out of nowhere and becomes the number one pick like Joe Burrow, who was absolutely not the number one pick after his first year at LSU, or Cam Ward or Fernando Mendoza, none of those guys a year out were consistent. considered the number one pick. Someone always emerges. And it's clear the Miami Dolphins are

tanking and looking to the future. Malik Willis, I'm sure he has some buyer's remorse on accepting that contract. Obviously, the millions of dollars will be great, but it's going to be a rough season ahead for Miami. Now, the other side of the coin is the Denver Broncos. And you've got to love this trade if you're a Broncos fan. They're doing cartwheels in altitude right now. I mean, Sean Payton gets a great weapon in Jalen Waddle, who fits in that. offense perfectly. I know he hasn't been an all-pro. I don't even think he has a pro bowl on his resume. And his numbers have actually declined a bit the last couple of years. He had a great first two seasons in the league. I think 1300 yards in year two. And he fits seamlessly alongside

Cortland Sutton, who's the big body contested guy. Waddle you see is great over the middle, got the speed. They got young Pat Bryant, who looks like a player. They drafted him last year, third round pick. He showed well, you maybe move off a Marvin Mims. See what you can get for him. I like the tight end in Evan Ingram. Denver, the arrow is clearly pointing up. You've got the quarterback on the rookie deal. And the move is fortify the roster.

Broncos fans were a little upset that they didn't do more yet in the off season, kind of resigning their guys, no big splashes. This qualifies as a splash. I do wonder, listen, the trade just broke 30 minutes ago, so we don't know the details. But is it possible that the Broncos looked at the draft, analyzed guys from the combine said, listen, I don't think we can get anybody plug and play that's at the Jalen Waddle level.

This is a season pro. He comes in. Listen, Sean Payton's going to unlock some of his best stuff the same way Mike McDaniel did. I think this is a great trade for the Broncos. And I will add, folks, you look around the AFC, there's a lot of uncertainty. I mean, hell, the Bills and Ravens, two contenders with superstar quarterbacks, they just dump their coaches. What's that reboot going to be like?

Patrick Mahomes is coming off a major injury, and I know they're saying all the right things. Oh, Mahomes, yeah, he'll be ready for the opener. Okay, well, you can say that. But again, what are your actions? They just went and traded for Justin Fields, who I probably would guess starts week one. I know the league wouldn't love that.

They love Mahomes back in the saddle. But there's uncertainty in Kansas City. They don't have a secondary. I mean, they just lost their top two quarterbacks. So we're looking at Chiefs down. Ravens down, bills, I mean, the Broncos just beat them in the playoffs in a hell of a game. But then you even look at the Steelers. What's their quarterback situation?

Uncertainty that reigns there too. Jacksonville, are they going to duplicate, you know, double-digit wins? Houston has some major questions at quarterback after C.J. Stroud's terrible playoff game. So the AFC is kind of sort of wide open. And the Broncos just watched. The New England Patriots go from the seller to the penthouse with Drake May. and adding Stefan Diggs. So I think this is a home run for the Denver Broncos,

just an outstanding move. Sean Payton and company in Denver have done a phenomenal job pivoting from Russell Wilson's disaster to quickly, number one seed in the AFC, aFC championship game. And my guess, I haven't seen an update in the odds. I think Denver probably is your favorite in the AFC

heading into next season. So great trade for the Broncos. Miami Dolphins fans, as they like to say on social media, enjoy the projects. It's going to be a rough year for the Miami Dolphins. All right, let's pivot to last night's huge game in the NBA. And yes, I'm talking about the Lakers. I had an option here, folks.

Do we start positive with the Lakers? Or do I go after my guy, Kevin Durant, for not a great game and some bad troubling signs in Houston? We're going to elect to go positive with the Lakers because J.J. Reddick is really unlocking. some incredible stuff with this Lakers team. They're one of the hottest teams in the league. Okay?

Nine wins in their last 10 games. Six in a row. Nice comeback in the second half against Houston last night. And guess who was doing it all? LeBron James. Hey, LeBron, I need you to pull back a little bit on offense. Pick your spots. What does LeBron do?

Pulls back, picks his spots. LeBron, I need more defense. LeBron was great defensively last night. LeBron, more passing. LeBron's doing it all. J.J. Reddick has been magnificent. He's not going to win coach of the year because there's too many other great candidates. Joe Missoula's up there.

You got Detroit's coach, obviously OKC, San Antonio. So many good head coaches out there. But after the game, Reddick talked about LeBron's new role with the Lakers. Listen to this. LeBron in particular, you know, it's one of the things we talked about last week is it just continue to be the best transition player in the NBA. and it's such a dynamic force for our offense. Yeah, dynamic is the perfect word.

So the offense struggle without Luca to start the fourth. The fourth quarter was ugly last night. I think the Lakers went like seven minutes without a field goal. Rockets could not do anything. And this is where Reddick comes in. And I know people were like, ah, this guy's a podcaster. Listen, if you listen to any of Reddick's podcasts, you know a couple things about him. Number one, the sun rises and sets with the numbers.

He is very analytically based. And he watched Durant light up the Lakers in the first half. The midi, ISOs against Austin Reeves, Marcus Smart. Durant was killing him in the half court, and they were making the right passes. So what does Reddick do late in the game? He starts blitzing and doubling Kevin Durant as he comes over half court. And folks, I do love Kevin Durant and we'll go after him here in a minute for what's going on in Houston. But Durant wilted.

Folks, I've never seen a superstar. top 15 player in NBA history have an eight second violation bringing the ball up the court because he was nervous about the double team. And another one, like a few possessions later, he had an over and back because he stepped on the line. Kevin Durant was so uncertain. As you see these highlights, it started to melt down when Austin Reeves in the third quarter got like was up in his jersey and KD just lowered the shoulder and banged him and

got a flagrant. And there he is stepping. I mean, Durant was totally rattled by every. everything Reddick did. It was a masterful performance. And I know, Jay Mack, why are you glazing the Lakers again? Come on, man. Stop. They're not contenders. Folks, listen, I don't know what you want me to do. You said the Lakers couldn't beat the good teams. Last four games against good teams. They beat the Knicks. They beat the wolves. They beat the Nuggets. And now they beat the Rockets. Those are all top six teams in the respective conferences. And, I mean, listen, the Marcus Smart move, I don't know how many of you guys were watching this game last night.

Lakers pull away in the final like 90 seconds. They go up 10. Marcus Smart is diving to steal an inbound pass. There's something about JJ Redick unlocking the best version of Austin Reeves of LeBron. Marcus Smart. I mean, hell, last night, DeAndre Aiton looked so bad in the first quarter. You could see the stars looking at the bench being like, Can we get him out of here?

Just watch the body language. LeBron and Luca, when he drops a pass, they're like, and it's understandable because Aitin, you know, calls himself the dominator, you know? He thinks he's worth all the money. And then he plays awful. And they pull him out for long stretches, but they were getting killed on the glass in the fourth quarter. And Reddick, I watched a post game. He's like, we were in the huddle, and I'm like, I trust DeAndre Aten, puts him in,

gets a couple boards, had six offensive rebounds, a couple late buckets. Guys, I know, JJ Reddick, he's only a podcaster. But my brother and I used to watch this TV show in the 80s. I'm dating myself here a little bit called the A-Team. Most people remember Mr. T, you know, great show. I could hum the theme song for you. A great, great show. And Hannibal, the leader, usually at the end of the show,

they would solve the mystery and, you know, defeat the bad guys. He would pop a cigar in his mouth and say, I love it when a plan comes together. And I'm just telling you right now, watching these Lakers the last couple weeks, JJ Reddick's plans, they're coming together. They're coalescing. And the Lakers, they look like one of the best teams in the league. Fine, they're not the Thunder yet.

Fine, they're not the Spurs. You're telling me they're not the third best team in the West? Because they're beating everybody else that matters. All right, we have a great show today. You can tell I'm fired up. NFL trade? Lakers another win? We got World Baseball Classic tonight.

the guest lineup is off the hook today Rachel's fired up about this trade like we got a lot of stuff going on it and St. Patrick's Day unfortunately I know we felt out on the job there is not I'm not gonna blame anybody I got dressed in the dark waking up

to get to the morning meeting but Rachel any early thoughts on the trade I know we'll hit it again later in the show but just the diversity it's going to bring to the Broncos offense right and the fact that he just gives them the explosive play capability they didn't really have

also if Bo Nix is really your guy, you want to give him as many weapons as possible. So I think this is a great move for the Broncos. I think it's worth investing what they invested. I thought it was interesting that they tried to make this deal before the trade deadline and that they said in the end the Dolphins price was too high. They wanted a first round pick plus. Well, the Dolphins got a first round pick plus. So I'm not sure we're changed over that time.

It might have been the third, fourth round swap and all those or whatever. But clearly they saw, I think they saw how far. they got in the playoffs this past year, and they were like, okay, we're ready to go for it now. Yeah, so we agree. Bronco's good, dolphins less so. All right, coming up next year on The Herd, Kevin Durant melted down last night,

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Back here on the herd, we've got the voice of MLB and the NFL of Fox Sports. Joe Davis stopping by in about. 20 minutes. Talk about USA Venezuela tonight. Everybody excited for that one. Just a great sports week. Come on. And I didn't even mention my men's basketball league championship.

Oh, my Lord. This week. I know. Rachel, well, I was hearing about those. How many teams in your league? There's six teams in the league. Congratulations on making it through that thick, dense forest of teams to the final. You get the number one seed?

You know, you win the semi-final. Oh, my Lord. You know, who's not going to a final? Kevin Durant. He's not getting anywhere near a finals. And listen, I will say, I have a checkered history with KD. Obviously, I loved the move to Golden State back in the day, defended it. I was taking arrows from all sides.

It made sense. He was a two-time finals MVP. It was not a weak move to leave the thunder and playing with Russell Westbrook. The other stuff that's going on now in Houston, I can't defend it. Now, I know, let me preface this by saying Fred Van Fleet's injury in the offseason was a killer. It was huge. He's their point guard. He's a veteran leader.

He can run the show. He could get him into offense. You know who can't do that stuff? Kevin Durant. Reed Shepard. Amen Thompson. None of them could do that. So part of this issue with Houston is on the front office.

They did not find a replacement for Van Vleet or even, you know, could they have gotten Chris Paul? I don't know. Maybe nobody wants to play with Chris Paul because he's Chris Paul. It's just interesting. watching Durant last night, folks, he was great in the first half. In the second half, he had one basket and six turnovers and a flagrant foul. Now, yesterday I walked into the building and I was like, I need some stats on Shengun and Jabari Smith, the guys that KD took shots at from his burner accounts when those got exposed All-Star Break.

How are they doing in the second half? Jabari Smith is actually shooting it well. Shen Gung is having a rough time. He didn't play last night, injured. And I guess the key word here I'm looking at is leadership. You're in a fourth quarter, close game, late in the season. This game was big last night for both teams. And Wednesday's rematch, I would assume KD will bounce back with a 35 piece or something.

But I saw zero leadership from Kevin Durant last night. Now, he did go to the podium afterward. And listen, guys are going after him. And, you know, he looked a little confused. about running the offense. Remember, this is a guy who always had a good point guard alongside him, whether it was Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving. He thrives when he doesn't have to do much. Let me just show up, make some jumpers, play some defense. That's my style. I don't want to be a leader in the locker room. He's made that clear, and that's fine. I think that kind of sort of

puts a ceiling on which you can be all time. But here's Katie, at least taking some accountability after the loss. I lost the game for us tonight. It's simple of me. My teammates, I mean, of course, we probably can make more three, but it's all neat. I mean, to be honest, I'm the offense, and the opposing team is going to use all that resources, and now that be uncomfortable.

It's just so weird. We are going to look back at Kevin Durant's career as just one of the wildest I can remember. Remember, most of these all-time greats stay where they start. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, you know, Kobe Bryant. Those guys all stayed where they were. Michael Jordan, obviously, ended with the Wizards.

But like, we don't really count that, of course, because if Jordan didn't win the championship, it didn't happen, right? That's what the Jordan stands like to say when he was, you know, with the Wizards at the tail end. And in this era, it's the player empowerment era. Everybody has their thing, right? Curry with the threes. LeBron player empowerment.

Everywhere LeBron goes, he wins championships. What's Kevin Durant's thing? I would be the best one-on-one player in like an all-time bracket in NBA history. Okay. What's that worth? This is not a one-on-one sport. This is a team sport.

You want to be a one-on-on-one star or go play badminton or tennis, you know, or bowling. This basketball's a team sport, and I've seen zero leadership at a KD. It's disappointing because he is an all-time great. When he gets cooking, there's few players I like to watch more than Kevin Durant. But he looked so confused last night.

Here he is talking about the double teams and the turnovers. We're talking about like a 37-year-old veteran here. This is not some young guy Cooper Flag being rattled by defenses. Listen to what he said. He just got to convert. Maybe I got to just got the way, get in the corner, space to flow out for other guys. I think just that when I get the ball against certain teams,

they just going to settle out. and starting to figure out that I just need to get out the way and that other guys dream of football. Now, somebody smart on our team was like, well, J. Mack, is this, is he referencing? He sounds like he might be talking about LeBron James. Because LeBron hasn't come out and said this, but him and Reddick clearly had some kind of meeting

where, LeBron, I need you off the ball. I need you to play defense. I'm not asking you to spot up in the corner, but we don't want you on the ball as much. And is that what KD's alluded to? I don't know. I mean, it's possible. But for KD to not have any answers, I know, Jay, hey, that's the coach's job.

Guys, he's an all-time great. And by the way, Udoka's a good coach. I mean, he just got putting a body bag by JJ Redick last night. Reddick totally coach circles around him. But for KD to look that confused, what are we, 68, 70 games into the season? That's troubling. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. The herd line news. KD, not making your rec league team, apparently. Let's talk about Steve Kerr. Had his 600th win last night as the Warriors beat the Wizards. Kerr is the fourth fastest, J. Mack, to get as a coach, to get to 600 behind Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, and Greg Popovich. Pretty good list.

Kerr said after the game, quote, you can't win in this league without great players, and I was blessed from the day I took this job with incredible talent, which is true and definitely a very Steve Kerr thing to say. He's incredibly humble and just, you know, a good guy and quick to share credit. But also managing that talent is a skill that all of these coaches have had, if you ask me. Where do you put Kerr in the all-time rankings? That's a good question. So he, I mean, what are we playing titles here?

Because I think Pop, Riley, Phil, off the top of my head, are they equal? Do they all have more? Our back has, like you've got Arbach, Phil. And also are you talking to the. coach or coach and a player because what's good about Phil and what's interesting about I got like Phil Jackson or Steve Kerr or Pat Riley guys who played right it's sort of like oh okay I mean obviously Phil Phil in the next we all remember that lone that lone that lone ring Jason you're still celebrating but you know people forget they're like oh he was on those Jordan teams he got three rings

with Jordan he also got two with the spurs right that's right yeah he was on the david robinson teams oh here we go most combined he has nine mm-hmm I mean, at some point, you've got to just say, listen, Heinzen, Sam Jones, what was that, like the 60s? Well, okay, so, I mean, that's my thing. People are always quick to say Arbach in any of these conversations, and he obviously was just a huge personality in the NBA at the time. But to me, it's kind of, again, I'm not trying to insult you.

It's kind of like your rec league. There's like 12 teams. In that there were literally eight teams in the NBA for most of Red Auerberg's coaching career. And like, at the very end, there were nine. I mean, it makes it a little bit harder for me to count those titles in the same way. I'm sorry to Boston fans on St. Patrick's Day. No, it's fine.

Is he in the discussion with Phil Jackson? Steve Kerr? Yeah. I think so. I mean, one of the things that I think really, I said managing that talent, I think that is underrated when people are like, oh, he had LeBron, oh, he had Chuck and Kobe,

oh, he had Steph Curry or whatever. That's not easy. You think Steve Kerr navigating, the Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Draymond Green situation. You think Phil Jackson navigating Shaq and Kobe? I mean, you know, I just think that, and Steve is to have to navigate his own things. I mean, Steve set the culture for that team. Obviously, Steph Curry is Steph Curry.

Nothing would happen without him. But that playing with joy, that sort of, you know, numbers, you know, we all have to do it. It's all about the numbers, you know, takes, you know, 12 of us, whatever, is Steve. That's a good discussion. So I don't want to go. My inclination, most people would say, well, it's Phil Jackson. I mean, he coached Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq. When has Phil done more with less?

Because Steve Kerr, I mean, when he inherited the Warriors, they hadn't won anything. Right. And Jeff Curry was not thought of as anywhere close to top 15 player all time. They upgraded, quote unquote, to Steve Kerr because Mark Jackson, by the way, got them from bad to the middle. And they were like, oh, the middle isn't good enough with this talent. So obviously Steve came in and did something. And, you know, Steph obviously progressing himself.

But I think the way coaches manage talent is just as important as sort of how many wins do they have. Those egos. Greg Popovich is a great coach, not just because he's won a lot of games and rings. It's because of the culture he's set up in San Antonio. You had Victor Webenyama before the draft lottery, his year being like, I really just hope I go to the spurs. I mean, that's crazy for a kid in France. say that. But he was like, I just want to be

coached by Greg Popovich. I mean... Did maybe Tony Parker, that No, of course. I mean, he was watching, he was watching those teams more. I guess lastly, I will, Phil Jackson, so Jordan didn't win anything without Phil Jackson. He couldn't win with Doug Collins, right? Couldn't get out of like the second round of the playoffs.

So when Phil shows up, he wins. So I got to give Phil credit for that. It's a tough. That's a good discussion. I don't know. There's no right answer. Obviously, it's subjective, but yeah. So, I don't know. All right, from 600 wins to 50, Victor Webben, and the Spurs. They got their 50th win of the season, Jason,

last night beating the Clippers. After the game, though, Wembe said 50 wins isn't enough. Take a listen. First 15 wins, 16, 17. Yeah. Once a meeting with gas and... It means growth.

I still not enough, you know. I want to get to at least 60 to balance out my rookie season. I mean, you know, I love this game. I think you have a crush. No, I do not. I mean, he's awesome. He's very likable. That would be, yeah.

Inappropriate, as we say. Yes, obviously. But look, it's not just that, to me, it's not just the, like, crazy physical gifts. It's not just the talent. His work ethic is excellent. But it's stuff like this. Yeah. Like, how refreshing is it to hear a player talk about goals for the regular season?

Talk about, oh, we got to get 60 wins. Oh, we've got to have a competitive all-star game. I mean, that kind of stuff, I think, is part of what impresses me so much about him, too. And, like, the, and, like, the, end of the game. I'm sure you saw the highlight where he was scrambling around the court, defending everyone. 60 wins. So I'm guessing in their rookie year, they lost 60. Is that, were they like 22? Yeah, I mean, they were bad. I mean, I thought it was interesting, too. The reporter brought it up. You know, they, we think about the Spurs as this organization that's

handed off from David Robinson to Tim Duncan to Kwai to Wembe. It's been almost 10 years since they reached the Spencemark and the season isn't even over that. I'm still taking them over the thunder. Now, the problem is right now, it would be Spurs Lakers second round. Don't really like that. That's a problem for who. That's great for the league, obviously. That's a problem for Luca and LeBron.

I don't like their chances in that one. Yeah. Well, I mean, it could help them clear up some issues in December, though. Perhaps talking about LeBron James? Yeah, I'm just saying that, you know, I think how the Lakers do in the playoffs might influence how much the Lakers want to keep LeBron.

I'm going to get into this throughout the show. But, you know, and also how much LeBron wants to stay and also, hey, if Wemby and the Spurs show that the Lakers' defensive issues with those three guys in the court are more glaring than they've looked in the past couple weeks, then maybe that influences things too. But regardless, what's interesting to me about Wembe and guys like LeBron is that you've had so many big, huge players say, I'm glad. I'm glad he's not there. I'm not coming into the league with him. LeBron actually said Wembe is what's going to make me retire. Like, I mean, that's incredible. Yeah.

Right? Yokic said something very similar. Like you have LeBron and Nicola Yokic being like, oh, I'm glad I'm not on the same timeline as this guy. He's a monster. Like, it's pretty incredible. All right. Let's talk a little world baseball classic team Italy. Their run is over, Jason. But I mean, the electric.

We had someone yesterday, right, telling us they're the Cinderella number 16C story of the WBC. They fell to Venezuela last night, 4 to 2. But after the game, Vinnie Pasquantino said he's so grateful to be. accepted with open arms by the Italian players. You know, he's an American player, obviously, and he said he'd been to Italy once before this tournament, but Vinnie Pasquantino, you know, this guy is definitely an Italian. To just be able to have a guy like that, talk about growing the game in Italy, and chances for players like this, baseball fans, of course, know this guy.

He's fun, he's a great quote, he's a good fantasy player, but the general sports fan is probably not familiar with the, you know, Royals roster. And I think the general sports fan got a taste of him in this series. And, I mean, he's just, he's so fun. I think you predicted this last. I did. Yeah, yeah. I had, you know, Italy.

The wife is Italian, so I get it. I got to rock with the team. I get it. So Venezuela, U.S. tonight on Fox and Rachel with the news. Yeah. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline News.

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And, you know, we bring out the big guns. Let's bring in Joe Davis, the voice of baseball here on Fox Sports. He called Venezuela Italy last night a thriller. Joe, great to have you on the show. Before we get to the USA game, talk about last night. It sounds like watching it on TV that the vibes were just off the charts. The stadium was going crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it was because they didn't do much, because Venezuela didn't do much for the first six innings of the game, it was tense. And there would be moments where they would come to life. But then that little rally, they little two out rally, but they had four straight singles. It was as loud as any stadium I've ever been in. Wow. Unbelievable. So what's your guest tonight?

Obviously, USA Venezuela. the crowd will be slightly more Venezuela, but are we thinking like 60, 40, maybe bigger? I think it's at least 70-30, Venezuela. I don't know if it'll break down that way. Like if you would actually count, I don't know if it would be 70-30, but it's probably going to feel even beyond that.

Just the amount of passion and noise that the Venezuelan fans bring, I think it's going to feel like 85-15. Oh my God. Yeah, that's a little wild. All right. So Nolan McLean is the starter tonight. Got roughed up against Italy. I'm sure there's some casual baseball fans out there saying, wait a sec. Team USA championship game, World Baseball Classic.

We're starting Nolan McLean? I guess what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, this is the best pitching staff team USA's ever had. But still, you're dealing with the issue that every team in the World Baseball Classic deals with. and that is you have two sets that you're trying to please. You've got your nation's team. You're trying to win a championship for, but then you have your big league employer,

and they have their own wishes, as they should, right? They want you to be getting ready for the regular season, building up appropriately. So you're not going to have the top three starting pitchers, the top five starting pitchers, or whatever it is from each country. You're going to have the top three to five guys that you can get.

So look, they had the last two Siyang winners, They had scoble make one start. You had skeins make two. Logan Webb's a two-time all-star. So it's the best pitching staff they've ever had. But it's still in a situation where, yeah, while he's talented, he's only made eight major league starts, this is the best option that they're left with for the championship.

And then there's further concern about the pitching staff in depth with Miller and Bedner and their availability. What's the latest on those guys? I don't know if we're going to know officially until we get to the game, because there are literally conversations going on right up until game time with the parent clubs. Can we use the guy tonight? And it's hard to get mad at the teams for saying no. I mean, like, yeah, you can get emotional about it.

And be like, come on, let him pitch for Team USA. But how could say A.J. Preller of the Padres live with himself. Mason Miller went out there and got hurt, God forbid, tonight. You know, like I hope he pitches and, of course, hope that he's healthy and closes the thing down and as spectacular as he has been. But you can understand why these big league clubs have their concerns. And it's just, it's competing interests. Yeah.

Ultimately, do you think teams are more like, hey, Team USA, rah, rah, everybody's excited. Or are they like, hey, you know, that's great at all, but we need him shut down. We can't have him go tonight. I think more and more there's buy-in. They're seeing what this tournament has turned into. I think that, you know, you just look at the difference in pitching staff this year compared to the 2023 team for Team USA. 2023 team didn't have a single guy that had gotten a Siyung vote the year before.

And again, this year's team had both Siyang winners last year, a two-time All-Star and Webb, a loaded bullpen. So, yeah, I think that there is much more of an appreciation for this is about the greater good of the game, but still, it's not completely rains off yet. So it'll have a Game 7 World Series feel tonight, hopefully not 85-15, but as well. Noise-wise, but I guess do you have an edge to either team here? Is there something you've seen in the World Baseball Classic that gives one side the edge? Venezuela's bullpen has been awesome.

So you look and you see that Eduardo Rodriguez is starting and he's not been very good. The bullpen's been awesome. Six-plus inning scoreless against Japan for Venezuela, seven-and-two-third scoreless last night. What do they have left for tonight? And they're dealing with those same conversations that Mark Dorosa is with the parent clubs for his pitchers. Who can they use back-to-back days? Who can they use what it now

be if they were to use a guy three times and four days? That's going to be up to the parent clubs if they let them. So Venezuela's got a serious advantage if all those guys are available in the bullpen. You look at the lineups, yeah, Team USA is stacked. It's a who's who, it's a

murderers row, but Venezuela's got six all-stars. They got a former MVP in a Coon. You got a home run champion and probably a future Hall of Famer in Salvador Perez who's coming off of bench. So there's just as much talent in that Venezuela lineup, too. Yeah, you mentioned the difference between the pitching staff from 23 to 26 for USA. What about the bats? Would you say significant upgrade or, I mean, this is one of the better

lineups we've ever seen? Yeah, I don't know how to call it significant upgrade. I think just the the most obvious thing is that Aaron Judge is in there. And he's, as we know, he can transform it. He's been really good in this tournament. I think you could say judge has kind of, have been what USA has been in this tournament. He's not been bad, but he's not maybe been as extraordinary as you had hoped. And I think you can say the same thing about the team USA lineup. Part of that is judges and getting much to hit. Collectively for the lineup, I think everybody's still sitting there waiting. When is it going to explode? Michael Young, one of the coaches said it's like a volcano, and they all feel it. Like it's going to erupt at some point you figure, but this tournament is

so short, is it going to erupt in time to keep up with a good Venezuela offense tonight? Which kind of makes the MVP discussion a little difficult because would you say there's a clear leader at this point or is it simply, hey, whoever plays best tonight probably takes it? I think you may end up with that. Who is the hero of game seven may become the MVP? If you had to talk about it right now, if it was for Team USA, Roman Anthony, two home runs, he's striven in nine. He had to go ahead home run the other night. Gunner Anderson leads the team at average, He's only started a couple games, so it feels odd to make him the MVP. I mean, you could talk about skeins and these two starts as spectacular as he's been.

But I think it does come down to tonight. Who has the big swing to win what is going to feel like a game seven and has all the dimensions of a game seven where it all comes down to this? Joe, you also call Dodgers games since 2016. Otani said he was kind of disappointed in the result. He didn't pitch. Any vibes on Otani coming into this season for the Dodgers coming off, what I guess they would call a disappointing World Baseball Classic?

Yeah, anytime Japan bows out that early, which is the earliest they've ever left, it's going to be a huge disappointment. As far as Otani, talking to people around the Dodgers, like, well, how in the world can the guy do any better? He has 50-50 season his first year. He resumes pitching last year. He's won a World Series both years with the team. The feeling I'm getting is that people think.

that the way he's wired, he's always going to find something, even if there's nothing obvious. And I think that the most obvious thing for him to find would be a way to win a Siam. That's the one thing that he doesn't. That's that one little opening on the trophy shelf that he hasn't filled yet. So he, when he a couple years ago wasn't pitching, he said, I'm going to turn into a stolen base threat and stole 58. This year, fully removed from Tommy John surgery, full buildup. It's hard to ever doubt his ability to do anything, and that's the one thing that he hasn't done.

So you're almost making we want to go bet Otani to win the Sy Young, but I'm curious. So did he not pitch with Japan because the Dodgers said, hey, don't pitch, or was it his choice? Mutual conversation, where they just think that the best buildup for him is one that's a little more measured, a little more controlled than putting them out there

in the middle of these intense tournament games. Yeah. All right, Joe Davis, voice of the Dodgers, calling the World Baseball Classic, the big one tonight. Everybody's excited. USA, Venezuela. Joe, thanks a lot. Enjoy the game.

Can't wait to watch it on Fox. Okay, Jason. Thanks for having me, bud. All right. Joe Davis, boy, the excitement tonight. Listen, I know Rachel's fired up. We got March Madness, World Baseball Classic, NBA winding out, NFL trade.

I've been so loving this World Baseball Classic. like I've been on the edge of my seat. When he says it's like a game seven, that is 100% what it feels like. The last game for Team USA was like tension with every second. I've loved it. This is a great tournament.

His volcano analogy, I feel like it applies to like a Bryce Harper. Aaron Judge, are they playing tight? Yep. You know, I think they're going to be fine tonight. Obviously taking the USA to win. Yeah, no, of course, because of all the reasons. But, I mean, look, Judge, what I like about

what Aaron's done. And he said, he's not, gotten a lot pitched to him that can kind of create some of these explosive moments. He had one that looked like a home run and then, you know, guy climbed the wall to get it. The throw that he made in the last game in the semifinal to third, I think they said it was like 90-something miles an hour. Like, that was a huge play. Huge. And you could see it affect the Dominican players the rest in the night.

They weren't trying to steal bases in the same way. Someone like clocked it, what the change was. And so what I like. is that he's able to affect, I mean, look at that. He's able to affect the game. And because he got the out there, the entire rest of the night, guys were not taking his big leads, guys weren't trying to steal bases. So even when they probably should have.

So I do like that Aaron Judge has made an impact because that's what he does. And how about it? It's great, even non-Yanky fans? Yeah. By the way, how do you divide the Yankees Dodgers? I feel like you've told me that before. I'm not, I didn't grow up in New York. Your kids, it's your kids.

Oh, my kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, my kids have gone, you know, my house. husband grew up in New York, native New Yorker Yankee fan. And I, you know, have really, I didn't, I didn't feel a big attachment because the nationals weren't there when I was a kid. And that's really the city I lived, you know, even though I grew up in Maryland. You know, Cal Ripkin was a big deal.

But like going, first of all, Memorial Stadium back in the day, this was pre-Campton Yards. Oh, gosh. Total. And also, it was far away. I mean, people think Maryland, everyone lives near Baltimore. I live nowhere near Baltimore. I live like, you know, a couple blocks from the D.C. border. So for me, like it was all D.C. teams.

And we didn't have much. So when I moved here to L.A., it was the first time I felt like, oh, man, this could be my team. So what's your NFL teams, Washington commanders? Washington commanders. And then, you know, Wizards Capitals, or as I like to still call them, the bullets. The bullets, yes, obviously. Because that is the team. I grew up liking.

But then, yeah, Dodgers for sure. Okay. For baseball. I mean, I unfortunately, I'm stuck with a lot of bad New York teams. Yeah. Nicks have won nothing in my lifetime. I think that's because of you, actually. Probably.

Jets have definitely won nothing in my lifetime. How did that happen, by the way? I just picked the Jets because I'm one of these, like, counterintuitive, move to D.C. and every kid's like, Washington Redskins at the time. I was like, I don't want to root for them. I'm rooting for the Jets. I was born in New York. Giants were good.

I like to pick a loser and ride them to the top, but we haven't got there yet. Not yet to the top. Maybe Archmanning will get us there. All right, coming up next. Unbelievable quotes coming out about the Lakers being better without LaBron Ron, it is a little crazy. We'll talk about that next.

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