The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Jerry Jones makes another mistake, the Commanders need to pay McLaurin, the Giants should be better, Terron Armstead

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

Danny Parkins fills in for Colin   Why Jerry made a mistake with comments on Michael Irvin’s Podcast Why you have to pay a guy like Terry McLaurin especially when you have a QB like Jayden Daniels on a rookie contract The Giants should be better than most people think this season   Guest: Terron ArmsteadSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in to the herd. I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin Cowherd. Always a thrill to be sitting in the big chair for Colin, who will be back soon because it's football season. We made it, though there still is plenty of drama. Terran Armstead will join us in just over 20 minutes.

In an hour, I'm going to try to call Colin on the air to remind him that Caleb Williams is good. My guess is he won't pick up. We got a lot of things to do, and starting Monday, we'll hear more about it later. The new expanded First Things First on FS1. I'm thrilled to tell you about it. I'll be on from 5 to 6 Eastern every single day. And if you've ever watched me or listen to me, you know that I don't love talking contracts,

because generally speaking, they all get done. But the preseason ends on Saturday, which means it becomes game week for all these teams, which means it's about to get real for contract talk. And I got to admit, even as someone who doesn't like talking money, I don't like the pocket watch aspect of it, and the vast majority of these guys ends up signing their business. guys ends up signing their deals I have to admit that the television producer that

doubles as the general manager of the Dallas Cowboys and the owner and apparently a star of a documentary documentary by the way pretty good Jerry Jones he's given us some tremendous color here on the Micah Parsons stalemate negotiations impasse and it's getting wildly unnecessarily ugly in Dallas but depending on your point of view Maybe that's exactly what Jerry Jones wants because he's just here for the soap opera, the clicks, and we're feeding into it because here we are on the biggest show talking about the biggest story and the biggest team and their best defensive player who remains unsigned.

So let's catch you up on it. Jerry Jones goes on Michael Irvin's YouTube show just yesterday, and he gives us a very colorful update on how the negotiations are going. We wanted to send the details to the agent. The agent told us to stick it up our ass. We had our agreements on term, amount, guarantees, everything. We were going to send it over to the agent. And the agent said, don't bother because we've got all that to negotiate.

Well, I'd already negotiated. I'd already moved off my mark over several areas. It's the mama daddy deal. You go into mama and she won't do it. and she's the boss so much she won't do it so you run into daddy daddy says do it and then you go back in

say mama daddy said it was all right I don't think that Jerry Jones traffics in the world of embarrassment very often but Jerry should be embarrassed the agents in question is David Molagetta David Mulligetta through multiple media sources

has put out basically I'm not going to do any interviews but I did not nor did anybody with athletes first his agency, tell Jerry Jones or the Cowboys to stick it in their ass, whatever. That didn't come up. So David Mulligetta is disputing the use of that colorful language. But let's just forget about the language there that Jerry is addressing here. Jerry Jones is saying that there is not room in the negotiation between the Dallas Cowboys

and Micah Parsons for Micah Parsons' agent. Now, I have an agent. I know most of you don't. You're lucky. That's the only reason we have agents is to do the negotiation. It's the only reason we pay the commission. Maybe it's 3%, maybe it's 1%,

maybe it's 5%, maybe it's 10% depending on the industry. For Michael Parsons, it's probably in the neighborhood of 1 or 2%. But the point is, he pays arguably the top agents in football, a percentage of what will be the largest defensive contract in the history of the NFL, to do the negotiation.

Jerry did not stop there, because I will get into where I think this actually ends up here in a minute. But allegations about colorful language, no room in the negotiation for Micah Parsons' agent, Jerry did not stop on his media tour with the posturing of how he looks at the timeline to get a deal done with Micah Parsons. We've really got three years to work this thing out. I did that with DAC.

And we couldn't agree. So DAC played his last year of his contract. And then we franchised him. Of course, ultimately, we got a contract, made Dak the highest paid player in the NFL. So the president is handling it like DAC. But in this particular case, then Micah comes in and plays this year under his contract. And then doesn't, it's very costly. Okay.

So no one likes math on TV, but we'll just just go through some facts here. for a second. Micah Parsons is set to make roughly 24 million bucks this year. So at the end of that from the Michael Irvin Show and Jerry Jones, like if he doesn't, it's going to be very costly. Jerry Jones is 100% correct. Every game missed by Micah Parsons is roughly $1.3 million that Micah Parsons will not get paid. That's just money you can earn back. So I think Micah Parsons is going to play week one because I think he would rather play for $1.3 million than not play and get zero. It's a revolutionary thought. That's where I'm at. Then Jerry's saying really takes three years. And he's right, because there's this year, and then they could franchise tag Micah Parsons,

and then they could franchise tag Micah Parsons again for 120% of what he'd be due to make next year. Now, the player would be unhappy, and he's already demanded a trade, and scrub the couch. from all the social media. And frankly, that's not good for the team to have a premium player locked into the salary cap because there's no flexibility. 100% of the dollars are guaranteed. You can't move it around for salary cap purposes,

that sort of thing. I absolutely believe Jerry Jones that he talks to Micah Parsons about money, that he feels like he even moved off of his place, and I believe Jerry Jones that he is willing to make Micah Parsons the highest paid defensive player in football. But here's what I also believe. that that's not good enough. That if I was representing Micah Parsons,

I wouldn't be saying, well, yeah, I just have to get a dollar more on the average annual value than T.J. Watt, just over $41 million a year. Or I just got to get a dollar more than the largest guarantee ever

for a defensive player in Miles Garrett at $122 million a year. Because those guys are three plus years older than Micah Parsons. Micah Parsons, is going to be the highest paid defensive player ever.

The question is going to be by how much? Is he going to shatter the record for a non-quarterback? Is he going to shatter the record for a defensive player? And there's no reason for you to get too deep in the weeds on who these agents are, but David Moligetta is something of a cult-like figure in NFL circles because he's the guy who got Deshaun Watson the fully guaranteed contract, the 100% of your money contract as being guaranteed. He's the new thing.

He's the power broker in the NFL. He represents Jordan Love, C.J. Stroud, and a bunch of guys. But here's another way that I know that Jerry is not being totally truthful in this entire thing. There are other players on the Cowboys who are represented by David Moligetta, who is Micah Parsons agent. So he's been able to get business done. So when he's talking about this agent wants to make a name for himself, this agent is trying to be the big third party in this deal and there's only room for two parties me and micah parsons he's done deals with mulligat's agency before malie cooker is on his team this year signed and jerry jones

i know he likes to say that he's the general manager and i know he carries the title of general manager but no one believes that he's scouting the senior bowl and grinding tape on fifth round prospects he likes it for vanity he likes it for ego Do we really think that when Jake Ferguson signed his $52 million deal with Dallas, it was like Jerry Jones and Jake Ferguson drinking some Johnny Walker Black and just haggling back and forth? I think it should be 12 million a year. No, I think it should be 14 million a year. No, the Cowboys negotiator dealt with the player's agent because that's how it works. So this is very old school.

This is very, if you've watched any of the documentary, you know, good old boy from Arkansas comes. into Texas, strikes it rich with an oil well, buys the Dallas Cowboys. He bought the Dallas Cowboys for $140 million. He's probably going to have to give Micah Parsons more than $140 million. So he got the team for $140 million. He's about to give a player more than $140 million. Jerry Jones is living in the Stone Ages. He's living back in the 80s. It's just not how it's done anymore. And so ultimately, this is all posturing. And I believe that Micah Parsons will be unhappy. I thought the post with the Alan Iverson quotes and the waving goodbye and the scrubbing of the social media, frankly, I thought he was a little late. That's like a millennial playbook

101. You scrub the social media. You make it like, oh yeah, I'm real serious. I'm real serious about this trade, I'm real serious about sitting out games. Chris Jones set out a game. One. Guys don't set out games anymore. There's too much money at stake. This isn't even the Emmett Smith thing from back in the early 90s where he misses a couple of games, signs the deal, and then the Cowboys go on to win the Super Bowl. There's just too much money. These deals get done. So I will stay where I've been four months on this. That this is This is publicity for a new season. This is publicity for a documentary.

And deadlines make deals. And we saw with Dak Prescott, as referenced by Jerry Jones, the deadline was the opener when he signed that deal. I expect Michael Parsons to be playing against Philadelphia, and this is just a lot of noise, embarrassing noise, but noise all the same. Which brings us to the other unsigned contracts here. Because it's a, I will admit, this is a unique NFL. off season and that we have three A-list tier one players who are still unsigned.

Terry McLaren in Washington, Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati, and of course, as discussed, Micah Parsons in Dallas. Now, I don't think Dallas is a Super Bowl contender, but they do. Washington obviously think it's a Super Bowl contender. They were in the NFC championship game last year. They had Laramie Tunsell. They add Debo Samuel. And Cincinnati knows that they've got a Super Bowl caliber offense, and, you know, and

they scored enough points last year to be a 12 or a 13 win team, but they only scored nine because their defense was historically bad. The Bengals had a losing record, they were three and four, in games where they scored 30 or more points. So we'll just go through these. I think Terry McClureen signs in the next 72 hours. Generally speaking, preseason will end on Saturday. They'll revisit the big picture stuff.

It'll be game week and it'll really be like the game two weeks because with now three preseason games, there's more time between the end of preseason and they start of the opener. I just don't believe that a player who has been as consistently productive for Washington when they had no one at quarterback is going to let them have a superstar quarterback on a rookie deal and not get it done with his number one receiver. Do I think Terry McLauran is as good as AJ Brown? No. But it doesn't matter. He's really, really good. the guy who signs the deal the most recently always gets a little bump because the salary cap goes up.

So I will be shocked if Washington takes the field week one and Terry McLaren isn't there. That one is as close to 100% as I can make it. Jaden Daniels just came out and said he thought it was going to get done. This one's going to get done. Next confident would be Trey Hendrickson and Cincinnati. I know it's Cincinnati. I know they're historically cheap, but they got Joe Burrow. they paid him. They have T. Higgins. They paid him. They have Jamar Chase. They paid him.

They changed defensive coordinators. They used three of their first four picks on defensive players. Apparently they've agreed on how much money per year and how long the deal is going to be. They haven't agreed to the biggest part of the deal, which is the guaranteed money. Reports are that Trey Hendrickson wants three years guaranteed. Bengals only want to do one year guaranteed. My guess is they settle on about two years guaranteed. Trey Hendrickson has led, he's been what 17 sacks, led NFL and sacks last year, been 17 sacks each of the last two years. Yes, he's 30, but two years of guaranteed money feels like a reasonable place and I can't imagine looking Joe Burrow in the eye and

being like, hey, remember last year when you would score 30 regularly and we would lose, we want you to do that again. My guess is Hendrickson gets done. And then that leaves Micah. Again, I think it works out. I think they get it done. I don't think he's going to be in the business of giving back $1.3 million per year. But at some point, Jerry Jones is going to have to do what apparently Jerry Jones doesn't want to do, which is talk to Micah Parsons' legal representation. This is all noise.

It's all unnecessary. It's all unbecoming. But given that we are still in the season where the games don't count, it is fodder. and at least we know for Jerry, not for the 31 other teams. I don't think anything about the Terry McLaurin contract is because Washington wants to be in the news cycle. I don't think anything about the Trey Hendrickson contract is because they want to be in the news cycle.

But for Dallas, we have a ton of data, including Jerry Jones' own mouth in the Netflix documentary. It's a soap opera 365 days a year. Jerry Jones sees value in the drama of dragging this out with Micah Parsons. Coming up next, the Fort Taron Armstead, Jackson Dart, looks good again. Three successful preseason games for Jackson Dart. I think the Giants' plan for now is the right one.

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Terran, thank you so much for the time. And I got to say, a little surprised you retired, man. You were awesome last year. Is this like a soft retirement? You're waiting for a team to call? You're playing hard to get, or are we, we're officially retired? Danny is over. It is over.

I am happily, gracefully retired. I don't miss the physical toll of the game. Do miss some of the things. Don't get me wrong. Some of the camaraderie, the locker room. I know just thinking about some of the playing rides from away games. But I am done. This is the time of year where it gets tough, right?

Training camp, man. Training camp is serious. It's the hardest month of the year. You go through that grind, especially in the two teams that I play for, New Orleans, Miami, hot, humidity, swamp water, ocean water, like that. That moisture coming off is just a real grind during those training camps. So 12 of those, I think that's enough for me. Okay.

So it makes perfect sense. Let's talk about the dolphins who you played with obviously most recently. I've heard from a Dolphins fan or two in my life that says that the issue with Mike McDaniel was that the offense became too predictable. And that narrative is out there. You were up close and personal with it. Is there any validity to it when you hear criticisms of Mike McDaniel? Listen, Mike, I know Mike personally, and I know his story.

He's been criticized his whole life. he's had to battle narratives and people tell him what he can and can't do his entire life and I think the guy's done a pretty good job at life where he is now and he's still continuing to grow like the best thing about Mike is he's not afraid

to combat the narratives or fight the noise he works man he works he put his best foot for it and try to give his guys the best chance to win as far as becoming predictable I think any team have tendencies we know what a team like

to do. This is what a team wants to do. Now, to be able to impose that will on a weekly basis, that's a different story. But every team across the league have tendencies. When Tua plays, the offense tends to operate at a very high level. When Tua missed time, it really didn't. Is that because Tua is so good, or there's a difficulty in running that offense if you're not, you know, entrenched in it? Two is nice, bro. Two is nice. I've been known. known to publicly speak on Tua and how I feel about him. I think he's a special quarterback. I think there's very few people on earth that can do what he do on a consistent basis.

Him under center gives the Dolphins a chance to win every game. And when he's not there, it's a different story. And not just to say that the offense is tailored specifically for him, but he's able to execute those things, those asks at a very high level. Whether people want to agree with it or not, it is a glaring difference. So what is it that people who question Tua, whether it's size, arm strength, or frankly, just, you know, worried about trusting him because of the injury history, although I know he does have a 17-game season now under his belt. What is it that the masses are missing about Tua that you see that makes you believe? I don't think they're necessarily missing his biggest strengths and attributes, his anticipation, his accuracy.

the way he's able to deliver the ball and throw the spots before the receiver even makes his break. That's different. It takes a lot of trust. It takes a lot of practice. But I don't think people understand his preparation and what makes him QB1 and where it's a difference when someone else is running the offense

is being able to see pressure and blitz his pre-snap to be able to know what coverage we're getting before the first motion. Or as Tariq is going from left to right across the front, He's getting in from, he's gathering information for the play to be successful. It takes a really long time to be able to develop that. I was with the great Drew Brees and he was the best at that. Him, Peyton Man and Tom Brady was the best at reading a defense before the snap.

So their pre-snap work was Hall of Fame and that's why those three guys are all of famers. Talking to Tehran Armstead, you were at the joint practice between the Bears and the Dolphins, which I know the reports were how physical it was, and I know you did not come away terribly impressed with Caleb Williams. Did anything that he did in that preseason game against Buffalo change your concerns, or you still have your doubts? I wouldn't say I was unimpressed with Caleb Williams.

I definitely had some concerns, and more so what I just spoke about, his pre-snap process, being able to identify his threats, his weak points in protection where he's hot. I didn't see that in that one practice that I saw and a lot of times last year throughout the season what I did see in Buffalo I was thoroughly impressed from him and

Ben Johnson as well. Ben Johnson created ways for him to find the not necessarily easy throws but easier reads and he was able to hit his number one target his number one objective playing and play out I did see a couple of plays where the pressure affected him. And I can't say that he saw it before the snap. And that's the area

I would love to see. As a fan, I would love to see Caleb Williams take that step in his process to be able to identify what the defense is trying to do where he is in danger. Because as a thrower of the football, he can do it all. He can throw on the run. He can make the wild passes. He can make the easy ones. So as a thrower of the football, he can, there's no question. But it's process, I would love to

love to see that continue to grow and develop. And he's young, man. It's early. But going through that progression from receiver one all way over to receiver three or checking down to the running back, I would love to see that speed up. When you hear Jerry Jones say that there's no room in the negotiation for a third party between him and Micah Parsons,

referring to Micah Parsons as agent, David Molagetta, what's the player and you say to that? Yo, listen, man, Jerry's different. I don't really understand it. You get a player like Michael Parsons, who's a generational player, generational talent and production, no off-the-field issues.

You pay the man. You pay the man. Whatever the market says, he's next in line, and let's just move on to bigger and better things. It's interesting, man, that Zach Martin had to go through a contract dispute in Dallas, and I believe

that, I believe Zach Martin played 11 years in the league. He was an 11 time all-pro. You pay that man, whatever he's asking for. You just, you send it to him and let's move on. So I really don't like the fact that the Cowboys are making this more difficult than it needs to be. Micah is a player. He's in a figure in Dallas that you don't question. You pay him to market and let's move on.

Players, fans, media, like I imagine we all kind of come at preseason a little differently. Players, you're in it. And then fans and media were so starved for football that I think, we have a tendency to overreact to like whatever we see. What this time of year actually matters? Like if a Bears fan is pumped about Caleb or a Giants fan is pumped about Jackson Dart or on the flip side, someone's concerned about a player based on camp reports. Like this time of year, what should we be paying attention to?

It's very hard as a fan to get much information. If you're not at practice, if you're not seeing it live, the only thing you have is a preseason game. And that's small sample size. So really what you want to see is the standouts. The young guys who have made a jump from year one to two, two to three, that's what you want to see, in my opinion. The guys that are being paid the most and the guys that has been consistent throughout their career, you expect what you expect from them.

The expectation is high and you expect them to be consistent. But you want to see the guys that have taken a step, that the game has slowed down for them. you want to hear more about who's winning those one-on-one battles at practice on a consistent basis, who's really making an impact, who's getting their hands on the ball, making turnovers for the defense, who's scoring a touchdown. Like, that's what you want to hear about during this window is the young guys that's really going to bring your roster together and determine if you have a chance to play January, February football.

The last guy I wanted to ask you about, you already mentioned Drew Brees. You played with Drew Brees. You played with Sean Payton. do you buy the Boe Nicks Drew Breeze comp? It's different. Different style quarterback. Bo is a big guy. He's mobile. He's athletic.

Drew's athlete, too. Don't get me wrong. Drew is an athlete. But I think it's a different style quarterback. The similarities were more so live within Sean Pade. And his preparation, what he wants. both to be able to see and diagnose pre-snap where he wants him to attack certain zones, whether it's man or zone.

This is our man-beaters. This is our zone beaters. How quickly can you get to those after the snap? You know what I mean? With ball in hand. And his ability to make and create plays that breakdown, that's something that wasn't Drew Strent. Drew wasn't able to be mobile and run for 20, 30 yards and run over a corner and all that,

all those good things. But so it's some different. is there, but the similarities, I believe, were lie. The similarities lie with the headman, with Sean Pag. Taran Armstead, thank you so much for joining us on the herd, man. It was fun. We'll do it again. Appreciate you, Danny. Thank you. Absolutely. That's Taran Armstead.

Played 12 years in the NFL. Pro football focus at him as a top 10 pass blocker and top 10 run blocker. I saw him as retirement. I was like, you sure you don't want to play for the Bears? You sure about that? Speaking of preseason hype, I thought Jackson Dart looked good and has continued to look good in the preseason. And the Giants are just, they're in a very interesting spot to me because Jackson Dart looks ready to my untrained eye. He looks ready. I don't think he looks like a superstar.

I thought, you know, he had one touchdown drive out of the four that he played. he took a big shot, got tested for the concussion. A lot of the production was on yards after the catch. The touchdown throw was pretty nice. 370 yards in the preseason, three touchdowns. He's taking shots down the field. Jackson Dart has looked unafraid. He's looked mobile.

He's looked athletic. Looked like the arm strength certainly translates. All of those things. The Giants bring in James and Russ. They've got a GM and a coach that seemed to be on the hot seat. They have one of the best front sevens, you would say, in the entire NFL. Their defense, I think, has a legit shot at being top five. In order to be top five, they're probably going to need their offense to be okay

so that they're not on the field the whole damn game. But the problem for the Giants is going to be, do they get that itch? Do they get impatient? Because I think Russ, with his experience, does give the Giants the best, chance very early in the season. The problem is very early in the season is very difficult. The giant's schedule is ridiculous. It is just a murderer's row.

And I know on paper, and it's not who you play, but when you play them, and who knows what the injuries are going to end up being. But I think there's going to be a huge push to play Jackson Dart week five against New Orleans when the Giants start O and 4. They start in Washington, in Dallas, home against the game. the Chiefs, home against the Chargers. Could you win one of those games? Sure. If you've got a top five defense, you can win games 1917, you can grind out some ugly wins. But then after that Saints game, Philly, Denver, Philly again, San Francisco, the Bears, the Packers, the Lions, like through

week 12, they easily could be two and ten. And then there's going to be that pressure to play Jackson Dart. And this isn't the best comparison, but it's pretty close. When the Bears drafted Mitch Trubisky, their plan was to sit him for a year, even though he was the, you know, they traded up three to two. They took Mitch Trubisky in that draft famously ahead of Patrick Rahms. But the plan was to sit him. They gave Mike Glennon $18 million to be a starter for a year. through four games, Mike Glennon led the NFL in turnovers. And because John Fox was on the hot seat, they panicked and they played Mitch Trubisky. And that came, it didn't matter, Fox ended up getting fired.

And it didn't matter because they ended up stunting and confusing the development of Mitch Trubisky, who needed to then learn a new system and a whole new thing the next year when they brought in Matt Nagy. So if Jackson Dart is ready, you play Jackson Dart because he's ready, not because you need a spark, not because you have a bad win-loss record. Jackson-Dart should play when he's ready. Whether the Giants are 2-10 or 10-and-2, 4-7-7-4, winless or undefeated. Jackson-Dart's development matters more than any win-loss record or accomplishment that the New York Giants can have this year. So they need to resist the urge, and Brian Dable needs to resist the urge to say, uh-oh, the schedule was brutal. Russell Wilson was throwing moonballs, Russell Wilson was taking sacks, James Winston was Eden W's,

and we've got to lose the record. I need to show that I'm the right guy for Jackson Dart in order for me to keep my job. If Jackson Dart is genuinely ready to play, great. But I'd be concerned. if i was a giant fan because right now you kind of backed into a good spot you drafted the best player available in abdul carter you traded back into the first round for jackson dart he looks good but you know your team's not going to be that good right now and so you thought you were you were going to try to get matt stafford even though that was always pie in the sky and now here you

are like okay we got a good young nucleus we got a quarterback that we're excited about and we just don't really know about our coach and our general manager play the season out, clean house, go get your best bets. But if Dable, who helps Josh Allen, helps Jackson Dart, then you're good to go and you're off and running. The whole key is going to be an honest evaluation. Is he ready? Not does he give us the best chance to win, not is it pressure to save the job, not is the back page in the New York Post? Is Jackson, Dart, actually ready to play? My eyes, he looks ready. My guess is Russ for week one gives you a better shot, but Jackson Dart looks ready to me.

But you can't make a decision to play Jackson Dart based on saving Brian Dable's job. That will stunt Jackson Darts development and do way more harm than good. Coming up next, a little bit of running back news in the NFL. Plus, Sequin Barkley has a shot in history this year. Call this a future headline for December. It's coming up, The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd. days in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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I'll be there from 5 to 6 on FS1, the new First Things First. We set a trade in the NFL, which is not the biggest trade in the world, but there's something interesting here. The commanders have decided that they can part ways with Brian Robinson Jr. running back and go to San Francisco, I think the team acquiring the players more interesting than the team giving the player away because of future sixth round pick. It's not much for Washington. They just don't want to be in the business of paying a running back going forward, given what

they did with Debo and what they're going to have to do with Jaden, although that's still a couple of years away, obviously. They spent their money on Tunsell and all that sort of stuff. The Niners, you know, they acquire Skymore. Now they acquire Brian Robinson. Brian Robinson's coming off of a career year. the greatest year ever. He had basically 800 rushing yards, eight rushing touchdowns, but they need elite running back production. Christian McCaffrey gives them that. Kyle Shanahan gives them

a floor of good running back production. Kyle Shanahan's track record is insane. It's like Andy Reed with quarterbacks. There's seven different quarterbacks who have had their career year with Andy Reed, Jeff Garcia, Kevin Cobb, Alex Smith, Mike Vic, on and on down the line. Same thing with Kyle Shanahan and running backs. Like, Alfred Morris and Devante Freeman and Rahim Moster. All those guys had their best years when they were with Kyle Shanahan when he was calling plays when it was his system. So obviously they're banking on McCaffrey coming back healthy and McCaffrey being worth basically

four points per game when he's with the Niners and he's playing to when he's with the Niners and he's not playing. So McCaffrey is the engine for them. But they want Christian McCaffrey insurance. And that's what Brian Robinson Jr. provides the Niners. If McAfree can't go or they can't use them as much, they want some talent there to try to get that high-end running back production that frankly takes pressure off Brock Purdy, but really it's just a focal point of a Kyle Shanahan system. Speaking of elite running back production, though, you know, Colin does, you know, tomorrow's headlines today and future headlines. It's called one of those two things. call this like a December headline

Saquan Barkley pacing for best two-year stretch for a running back in NFL history it's a wordy headline I'll have to work on it but Saigon Barkley is an interesting case study because he has both said that he wants to be one of the best players

to ever do it and that Barry Sanders is his favorite ever and that when he retires he might just walk away without much fanfare and there's no guarantee how long he'll play. And I know he's walked back that a little bit. Like, I don't think Sequin Barclay is a year or even two years away from retirement, but there's no guarantee

that he's going to play forever. And if Sequin Barclay retired tomorrow, he would not be in the Hall of Fame. To be a player who does not play very long and makes it to the Hall of Fame, you've got to stack a really incredible resume in a really short period of time. And Seyquan Barclay is pretty close. Like, he would be a finalist. He would be considered, he would be debated. He had last season, you know, he's wanted nine guys to ever have a 2,000-yard season. He had the most rushing yards ever when you combine regular season and post-season. And he had over 2,800 yards from scrimmage. But I think Sequin Barclay is uniquely positioned to have the best two-year stretch for a running back ever, which currently is Eric Dickerson.

Eric he he saiduan barclay would need 19009 yards this year to break eric dickerson's two-year record and you look at the guys on that list most rushing yards in a two-year span barry sanders earl campbell terrell davis eric dickerson all hall of famers it's consistent excellence even though terrell davis was only seven years he had multiple super bowls he had a super bowl MVP he had an MVP award barry sanders obviously one of the greatest to ever do it earl Campbell and Eric Dickerson the same. No players even had back-to-back 1,800 seasons. Normally off a 2,000-yard season, you know, Chris Johnson had a solid, I think, 1,300-yard campaign. Derek Henry was having the best post-2000-yard season,

but he got hurt after just eight games. A lot of guys get hurt. And Seekoine Barkley has an injury history. He has, he's coming off of a career high in carries by 4. He had nearly 350 carries last season. And he's got to deal with the Madden Curse for whatever you believe in that. Which I don't, but, you know, it's out there.

But the other piece of it is why I'd be bullish on it is he is uniquely positioned to follow up a historically great campaign with another historically great campaign. Because in an era of passing football, the Eagles are a bit of a throwback. This is the passing era of the NFL. Completion percentage has never been higher. Passing yards never been higher, all that stuff.

But the Eagles, we don't want our quarterback to throw it 30 times. We have the best offensive line. Our quarterback really helps the running game, and we are going to pound the rock. And if you look at Saquan last year, I mean, he had a game against Tampa where he had 10 carries. Remember the game against the Giants where he could have set his record for a game, and he just sat out and didn't play anymore. And then he obviously sat out week 18. Like he barely creeped over 2,000 yards in the regular season last year,

and he could have shattered it. So I actually felt like there was room. Obviously there was. He didn't play week 18, but even in the course of the season, there was room for him to have a better year because he is so uniquely gifted, and they are so dominant as a running team in an era where teams are putting an extra cornerback on the field.

it's easier to run in the passing era because of how defenses are aligned to stop the pass. I think Sequin Barclay is going to break Eric Dickerson's two-year record. I think he's got a shot at the first ever at back-to-back 2000-yard seasons, and I think the greatest two-year stretch in NFL history for a running back, I think that record falls, and it's something we'll be talking about throughout the month of December. Coming up, Tom Verducci will join us to explain how the hell the brewers are doing what they're doing, which really upsets this Cubs fan. But coming up next, we're going to be.

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