The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Josh Allen is the true MVP, thoughts on drama inside the Eagles organization

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

In this episode of The Herd, Colin Cowherd breaks down why Buffalo Bills star quarterback Josh Allen has been the NFL’s true MVP for years - surpassing even Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes in overall value and impact. He discusses the report of frustration inside the Eagles organization about Jalen Hurts and if this is a big issue or notSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for making us part of your day. So tonight's Thursday night football. And I just read a headline today that Keon Coleman, second round, top of the second round wide receivers, second round wide receiver they drafted the Buffalo Bills. They're going to bench him again. He's not going to start again. So he could be a bust.

And yet it has absolutely no impact on Josh Allen. And I want to talk about Josh Allen. He is the best football player to me on the planet. He's one of the five best football players I've ever seen. Lawrence Taylor's in that group. Jerry Rice, probably in that group. Remember last year everybody was talking about Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, MVP controversy. See, let me put it in perspective just this year in the past five weeks.

In fact, in the past two months, the bills are 5 and 0 when Josh has three or more touchdowns. Yet they're 0 and 3 when he scores three or fewer touchdowns. They literally need him to score three touchdowns minimum in the last two months for Josh Allen to just help Buffalo win a game. No franchise that I ever remember has been this quarterback dependent. Oh, Lamar, Lamar, this year the Ravens started Tyler Huntley in a game, scored 30 points and beat the 7 and 3 Chicago Bears, and looked good. Looked really good with Tyler Huntley. Just think about how valuable Josh Allen is.

In the past two months, he's got to score minimum three touchdowns to just win games. Last year, Patrick Mahomes was 16th in passer rating, only ninth in touchdown passes, and yet the Chiefs went 15 and 2 because Kansas City top to bottom does so many things well. Jalen Hertz had the same number of touchdown passes last year as Kirk Cousins, and they won the Super Bowl because Philly does so many things well. Even Joe Burrow, they couldn't make the playoffs with him, but when he gets hurt, Flacco still comes in and throws for 250 yards. offense still works,

Josh Allen has to be Superman for Buffalo to just win games. Think about this. And this is one of the reasons I thought Josh was the MVP. And I'm a Lamar Jackson defender. But from 2000 until Lamar Jackson showed up, the Ravens were not only good. They won two Super Bowls and not with Joe Montana. With Joe Flacco and Trent Dilfer, the Ravens could win Super Bowls pre-Lamar Jackson

with what you consider to be, you know, middling quarterbacks, although Flacco was pretty good. Baltimore, excuse me, Buffalo couldn't win a playoff game. Couldn't win a single playoff game before Josh Allen. That's the difference. They're building a new stadium in Buffalo for one reason, not because it just got chilly. The snow flurries didn't just happen in the last two years. They're building it because of Josh Allen. Because the game he played New England, 45-mile-hour wins,

and New England won and only had to throw like three times. And they're like, you know, this northeast weather may get in the way of Josh Allen's greatness. He's literally getting a billion-dollar plus stadium built. And it's not just this year that he has 28 total touchdowns, most in the league, or 37 offensive touchdowns. most in the NFL, the bills do as a team. It's that 76% of their offensive touchdowns come from one guy. I mean, if he was a stock, your financial advisor would tell you to diversify.

You've got too many eggs in one basket. The Chiefs, the Ravens, the Eagles. They've won Super Bowls with Nick Foles and Trent Dilford. They've been winning way before their star quarterback showed up. Buffalo could win a playoff game for 25 years. One. Here's Sean McDermott. Bill's played tonight on Josh Allen.

When he's on his game, you look out. I mean, he's the best there is in the business, and he was on his game last week. That's for sure, and the offense was rolling. Okay, so we've been on something for a while. And I do think the smarter viewers and listeners in Pittsburgh agree with us. You know, there's a percentage of fans. who just can never see, they got the blinders on.

But there's a story today, a headline that says the Steelers have yet to get their money's worth on D.K. Metcalf. So he's having career lows. And I warned you about this. I said he's moody. He does not run a great route tree. And Seattle knows that JSN's a more complete receiver. But D.K. Metcalf is just a symptom of a greater sickness. an offensive plague for seven years.

It doesn't matter who the quarterback is in Pittsburgh, the coordinator, the running back, the left tackle. They're bad on offense. It's an underlying issue. I'll give an example. George Pickens leaves Pittsburgh. He is lighting it up. Lighting it up.

Most yards, touchdowns through 10 games, more this year than all of last season. George Pickens has exploded leaving Mike Tomlin's team. D.K. Metcalf is having career lows, yet he was better in Seattle with Gino Smith than he is now with Aaron Rogers. I have been saying for years, are the Steelers just a more stable version of the New York Jets? Where great players leave and get better, coaches leave and are better, they enter everybody shrinks. Think about this. I'll give you another example. an offensive guard wasn't slated. Mike Tomlin did not see him as a starter.

Since McVeigh and the Rams have picked him up, he's a top two offensive guard in the league. Jono Smith, Pro Bowl, Miami last year. Steelers bring him in. He has 165 total yards. Are you seeing a trend? Trying to get the Steelers to understand offense is like trying to get your grandparents to understand 6'7.

The Jets and the Steelers, talented athletes enter and shirons. Drink. Jetson Steelers, talented athletes exit and shine. Jonu Smith, Kevin Dodson, D.K. Metcalf, George Pickens. It doesn't matter what the quarterback is. You can all blame Aaron Rogers. It's not an Aaron Rogers issue. That's why I've been defending Aaron all the time. Aaron just stepped into the Pittsburgh Steelers quicksand. Right now this year, the Steelers' wide receivers have the fewest targets and receptions in the league. What do you think Aaron can't get the ball to him?

I have been defending Aaron all year saying throw to the tight ends. Throw to the tight ends. Those are the money shots for this offense. They have enormous size. So it's just very interesting. People looked at the DK Metcalf signing and went, oh, sort of like Tyree Kill. Oh, he's going to change everything in Miami, not outcomes.

DK Metcalf is going to change everything. The Steelers have become a more refined, Less chaotic version of the Jets. Offensive players go to Pittsburgh and New York and they shrink, they exit, and they shine. I mean, look at Sam Darnold now. Look at George Pickens now. Look at Kevin Dotson now. And yet, John Hussmith with Miami's a pro bowler, he's lost in Pittsburgh.

So Aaron wants to play this week. Aaron is going to do it if he's healthy, but everybody's pointing at Aaron. It's not Aaron. Here's Mike Tomlin. He's the type of guy and has a type of profile that doesn't require a lot of physical work in an effort to be ready to play. And that's helpful. A little later in the week, we'll take a look at Aaron. And again, as I mentioned, the variables are stabilizing it and making sure that he's safe.

And he can protect himself, brace himself as he falls, et cetera. Pain tolerance, but that doesn't seem to be an issue. with Aaron. He wanted to go back in the game on Sunday. Yeah. So this again, D.K. McK. McK. McKaff is just a symptom of it. It is a much bigger underlying issue offensively last six, seven years, bottom five offense. How's that possible? They've drafted good players. They have good players. Boy, you start looking at Kevin Dotson, and you start looking at Metcalf shrinking, and George Pickens exploding, and John Smith's shrinking.

They've had different coordinators, different quarterbacks, they bring it in all sorts of different. And it's always the same. And it's also a team that tends to get worse post- Thanksgiving. You know, there are varying arguments why, but if you start looking at their schedule, last year they fell apart late,

start looking at them now, start looking at that schedule. Ravens late at Cleveland, at Detroit, at Baltimore. Here comes Buffalo at Chicago. Is this weekend the beginning of a harsh slide into the toilet?

We'll see. Interesting story. It is interesting by a very reputable journalist from Philadelphia. He's up for the Hurd Big J. Journalism Award. A journalist has come

out J-Mac and he's saying, listen, I've been covering this Philadelphia Eagle team for a long time. And you know this is you and I are, you know, up here, we're not boots on the ground. And when you used to cover a local team when you were a sports writer, or when I was doing local TV and I could be in the Blazers locker room and the Buccaneers locker room, it's a big advantage. You hear stuff, you see stuff. And you've got all sorts of sources and people that, you know, if people have, you know, an ax to grind. They love

athletes and coaches and, you know, executives love to text you. Well, there's a journalist in Philadelphia saying, yeah, this Eagles locker room, it's not all A.J. Brown. A hardened, reputable journalist. An ink-stained wretch

is just voicing. You know, listen, this is the climate we're in, though, Colin, right now, honestly, the only way to break through and get clicks and go viral is to have the off-the-record stuff, the incendiary comments. Well, hey, everything being peachy keen with the Super Bowl champs, that ain't clicking. That's not making the herd, right?

Would you agree with me? Well, I don't think this writer cares about making the herd. I don't think that's his goal. Fine, getting on TV shows, having people talk about him on national radio TV. That's what you get when you get, hey, the locker room is a powder keg. I mean, they've won 27 of their last 30 games or something like that. Well, I'll just report on this respected journalist reporting around the corner. I think he won some Cronkide Awards.

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but I depend greatly on really smart journalists and reporters, and we try to give them all credit. I think it's very interesting. So Derek Gunn has been covering the Eagles for years. And he started talking on the Seth Joyner, I guess it was show or podcast, about the staff getting frustrated in Philly with Jalen Hurst. He said, I'm basically telling you there's people in that organization

that are frustrated with the quarterback situation. right now, and I want you to listen to a guy that covers the Eagles and has for years, Derek Gunn. Those things that dissected on film during practice, those things that talked about among the quarterback coach, the offensive coordinator of the head coach. It has been constantly discussed all season long, yet when they transition to a field on a football game, he plays his game, not the game that coaches want him to play. If you look at a lot of quarterbacks, they're going to sling it. They're going to try to throw it through an eye of a needle. Sometimes you just have to take that chance. That's not his game.

That's why he stands back there a lot of time he's patting the ball, patting the ball, and it throws the timing in the offense off. The rhythm is thrown out. I don't think if this one, they can't get him out of it. They can't get him out of it. So why do I believe Derek Gunn? Why do I believe Derek Gunn's not spitballing? Because this is exactly what I told you after what I heard this summer.

I said it in July or August that I was told that he wasn't hurts, wasn't that popular with coaches or the locker room. He's not a raw, raw, let's go out and get beers guy. He's very much his own man, his own beat. I respect the hell out of him. High IQ, high EQ, great leadership, tough as a cheap steak. The kid is, I like him. I don't think he's great from the pocket.

But I heard from somebody very close. It is an impenetrable source, one of my best. And he's like, you know, that popular. And it's not Russell Wilson Seahawks bad. It's not that. I'm not saying that. But there is a sense by some of the people that he's a little, a little cliched, a little too polished. Here are some of the things he has said when he goes to a podium in and around the area in Philadelphia.

You either win or you lose or you either win or you learn. That's how I feel. You're the winner you learn. Money is nice. Championships are better. And you go through the course of these things and you learn that success is in built off of approval. It's built off of endurance. It's built off of strength.

I know I didn't walk through that fire just to smell of smoke. So you're going to finish it off like that. You know, listen, you could say it's just being philosophical. Well, never forget, Socrates was not popular in his locker room either. People don't want Socrates or Aristotle. They want a guy. Brady's pounding beers in the offseason with a slot receiver from Lehigh. You know, I mean, Mahomes, Peyton Manning.

They're one of the guys. Jalen's not. really, I've been told, one of the guys, but I'll defend him because he wins. He's tough. Philadelphia is a loud, loud city. Talk radio is huge. Columnists are aggressive. I mean, they've got their security guard. Siriani's animated. It's not an easy town to win. It's as tough a job. I mean, Bill Parcells told Andy Reid when he took that job. It is the toughest place to coach in the league. So I think his personality works in Philadelphia. I think Jalen, Dak Prescott, a Jalen, a Justin Herbert.

Those kind of guys would work in Philadelphia because they kind of diffuse heat and noise. But he is, I was told this summer, you know, he's not that popular. I'm not saying quarterbacks have to be, but it really does help if you're a unifier. So, and the other thing is he's going to average, he's on track to have under 200 yards passing per game this year in an offensive league with a great O line with an offensive head coach and two great receivers. So again, he's winning. That cures everything, and he's winning big, but Philadelphia got rid of Carson wins. And I mean, Philadelphia, and he was going to be an MVP that year. So Philadelphia does things that bad teams do. They just do it well. They make a lot of moves with coaches. They make a lot of moves with

players. And all I'm saying is there is his story today. Derek Gunn, longtime Eagle reporter, is saying essentially what I was told this summer. He had more. information than I did, but I was told that Hertz isn't one of the guys. He's a little slick. It might more mature than the average young professional athlete, but it's, I don't think it's a fire, I don't think it's noise, but it's actual journalism, it's actual a story. Remember, local reporters would rather not get pushed back in hate mail. Most local reporters don't have the courage to print really unpleasant news. Much easier for me to do it. I don't live in Philly. So, I mean, Derek Gunn doesn't wake up thinking, hey, I got bad news for you.

Because then Derek has to go back into that locker room. And Derek's got to go interview that coach. So when I was in local markets, I remember being outspoken and sometimes viewed as negative. And I was just like, oh, it's my job. I don't care about it. I'll go face the heat in the locker room, but I'm not going to lie. So I appreciate any time a local reporter can deliver really unpleasant news. I think it's hard, much harder than it is for me here sitting, you know, thousands of miles away.

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Colin, they are the most unlikely division leader at this point in the season. Remember, negative six point differential. Here's Caleb Williams talking about the. team's mindset going into the final stretch of the season. And this is speaking on quarterback terms. You know, I don't know if you can go 25 for 25, but I do know that you can go one for one, you know, each and every single time, 25 times. And so just focusing on where we're at and focusing on being one and one.

And that's me saying 100%, but that's want to know this week. And, you know, we focus on that. We go want to know each week, you know, we'll be exactly where we want to be. Boy, living in the moment. I like that. Everybody's sounding like Russell Wilson these days. You can't look at all those one, one at a time, one brick at a time, right? Huh?

Interesting, Colin. You're really loving these Bears team. Let's just, I don't know if we can call the schedule up, but they better beat Pittsburgh this weekend. And if they do, they're eight and three. Now, come on. That does not lock up anything because they're losing a Philly. I'm not saying lock up, but if a team is eight and three in the national football league, That's a good team.

Oh, heck yeah. That's a major improvement. Ben Johnson's a win. But again, the schedule. They're losing in Philly, probably losing at Green Bay, probably losing in Green Bay again, Sanfrey in Detroit. I mean, if they finish 9 and 8 and missed the playoffs, it's still a successful season. No, not if they beat Pittsburgh this weekend to go 8 and 3. If they beat Pittsburgh this weekend, I think they will.

They're a double-digit win team. Okay, fine. Give me the other, okay, with the Pittsburgh win, give me the other two wins. Browns is one at home. We'll give you the Browns. Browns at home and Green Bay at home. I'm sorry, I've watched Green Bay lose to Carolina at home at Lambo and Cleveland. I'm not blown away by Green Bay.

Fairly certain Green Bay is one, like 15 of 16 from the Bears. I've got to double check my math on that one. But just temper expectations the playoffs are not a lot. All right, let's go to a team in dire straits, Colin, the Kansas City Chiefs. Boy, people at this network are really nervous because you know what? If they lose to the Colts this weekend, it's starting to feel like no playoffs this year. You know, like I called. Anyways, here's Patrick Wilhams talking about the Chiefs offense, which stinks out loud right now.

I'm just not making the throws. It's pretty much the biggest thing. Guys are getting open and giving me chances to make the plays down the field. It's not giving them chances to make plays. Hmm. What happened? Xavier Worthy and Jerry Rice. I'm sorry, Rishi Rice.

Why? Here's my thing. Three days ago, I said, part of the reason they're losing is Mahomes. Everybody's like, whoa, Patrick Mahomes comes out and says, one of the reasons we're losing is me. There's no question about it is right now, on the road, he has been a C quarterback. He has not played well on the road. He's been pretty good at home, and that's okay. It's easier to play at home that it is on the road. I'm not saying Patrick's alone on that.

But Patrick, the last two years, when you get him away from Arrowhead, and this year specifically, he's not a very good quarterback. He's really been average. Josh Allen is Superman regardless where you put him. Patrick has struggled away from Arrowhead this year. So last year, they basically luckbox their way and all these one-score games to 11-0. A couple of those go the other way,

and it's like, oh, maybe the Chiefs aren't amazing. So now it's all falling apart. And Colin, the tackle issue is real. Yeah. Okay, Joanne Taylor grades out as the 69th of 76 tackles. He has the most penalties of any right tackle in the league. And Josh Simmons. Yeah, that's their number one issue in the draft is getting a right tackle.

I mean, they might need a left too. Yeah. I mean, Josh Simmons kind of vanished for a little while, had a personal issue. He came back. He was not outstanding. I'm just, you know, the Colts, I don't know if they can get after the quarterback enough, but I'll just say this. Between their defensive coordinator and their offensive mind,

they had an entire off week to prepare for this game. I just need Chiefs fans to be ready. There's a world where the Colts come in there. and then there's Winges just outright. 24-20, 21-20. I would not be surprised if Indy won this game. This is a stay-away game for me. It's a stay-away game.

I think Indy off-a-bye is good. What's interesting to me about this game is I think we're going to get a bit of a shoot-out because the Colts with that O-line and that run game off-a-bye are going to score. And I think Kansas City against that Colts back-end, I'm interested to see Sauce Gardner now has been in the system for a few weeks. I'm interested to see what Sauce does with the Colts. This game's a really interesting game. So a lot of zone from the Colts, which could make sauce very dangerous, long arms, good instincts.

Just be careful, Chiefs fans. Final story is not great from the New York Giants. Abdul Carter, this kind of flew under the radar. Colin, he was benched early against the Packers and reports surfaced that he basically was in a recovery session instead of being in a team meeting. There was another report that he was asleep and missed. to walkthrough. Abdul Carter finally talked about it, the number one pick out of Penn State. I feel like it's not how you start, it's how you finish. So I'm going to finish strong.

This is on the heels of Dan Campbell, the Lions coach, saying he's sensing a fresh energy from Giant's interim coach Mike Kafka. Obviously Lions are big favorites. Colin, I do want to add, one of the reports said Brian Daibble, this was happening with Abdul Carter earlier this year. And Daible was just like, okay, fine, get better. But he didn't bench him. Dave Old trying to keep his job. So Kafka comes in, I'm ruling with an iron fist. You're not doing this on my watch. Well, the knock on Kafka was that he was pro player,

doesn't have a ton of presence. So maybe this is Kafka showing people upstairs. This is Mike Kafka saying, hey, if I'm named coach, none of this nonsense is going to work. So I do think when you're an interim coach, let's be honest, you're the substitute teacher trying to impress the principal. You want to make sure the students tell the principal in the lunchroom, man, we're like Mr. Brady's really, really good.

This is Mike Kafka, knowing, hearing his weaknesses, he's not really a burst through the door, hold player accountable, doesn't have a brable Sean Peyton presence, and maybe he's trying to show a little of that to the guys upstairs. owner and Joe Shane. And at the same time, I'm going to give Daibol a pass for not benching him because Daibol's fighting for his job. And we all have done crazy stuff to fight for our job. Like, Daible wants to stay employed. I'm just going to go on record. I think Brian Daibu's going to be a head coach in the NFL next season. So do I. And by the way, I think Robert

Sala for the Niners is, I think I think Sala and Daibol are both getting an under shot. Yeah. Or Daibu could go to college if he wants. There are colleges interested in him, by the way. Jay Mack with the news well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line news so I don't get this take at all Pat 40 I know Pat

he's a sports writer covers college football the headline of the story is Lane Kiffin's coaching circus is sabotaging old miss's great college football playoff dream huh

um Lane Kiffin is under contract at Ole Miss until 2013. He has no obligation to publicly sign an extension on Ole Miss's terms. Well, Kurt Signetti. Kurtzignetti doesn't have Lane Kiffin's leverage. Kurtzignetti is not being recruited by NFL teams. Lane Kiffin is. Lane Kiffin can go pro or college.

Matt Ruhle came out. Matt Ruhl doesn't have Lane Kiffin's leverage. Do you know how rarely college football coaches have leverage? Almost never. So if Lane's got a little leverage and he's under contract until 2031, he's the reason Ole Miss is relevant today. He doesn't have to on Old Miss. his terms when he's under contract for five more years come out on your terms,

absolutely not. He's got no obligation to do that. And coaches never have leverage. I mean, you know why he has leverage? Because Florida fired their coach, Billy Napier, in season, and LSU fired their coach in season. Lane didn't do that. Lane didn't create it. So Lane, because LSU and Florida fired their coaches, Lane has to, change how he views contract extension talk.

What? That's ridiculous. Blame Florida at LSU. But Lane Kiffin, there's no obligation. And by the way, you know who's going to ruin Ole Misses' playoffs? Ohio State or Georgia. They'll do it for him. Because they're not beating neither of those teams.

So, you know, this is so strange to me. This is the idea that he's sabotaging this season. let me just tell you this in any profession. If you have five years left on a contract, you're under no obligation to announce publicly, hey, I'm staying forever. I mean, I don't, I understand why Ole Miss is doing it because they've very rarely been this successful. And they're terrified. But Lane Kiffin's job is to coach football and win games, not to appeal or appease or placate administrators.

You got him under contract for five years. Here was Joel Clatt yesterday in Lane's future, and he thinks he's leaving. If he wanted to stay, he would stay, and we would have already known it. Look at all the other coaches around the country that have said they're staying or signed extensions. And Ole Miss, I know, has told him money is not a factor here. Whatever you get offered, we will match it. So it's not that he's going to make more somewhere else, which is starting to lead me to believe. And again, I will fully own, I have been all over the map on this and Lane.

But Lane is a unique cat. Now, I don't know if he can come back to Ole Miss. You can't lead him on for this long. And now there's going to start to be animus. Like, why aren't you signing an extension? What's the problem? And I think he's going to Florida. Now, he may go to Florida.

I think Florida is a better job than LSU. But I'll say this again. So Joel's first comments were, well, the other guys are doing it. When the Mariners signed Robinson-Kanaud to a 10-year deal, did everybody else have to sign their All-Star Infielder to a 10-year deal? When the Cleveland Browns guaranteed all that money for Deshawn Watson, why do I have to as a GM say, well, I've got to guarantee my money to a quarterback? Since when do the Cleveland Browns dictate terms?

Since when does Ole Miss administrators dictate terms? You're lucky to have him. And yeah, he's going to get offer after offer, after offer, after offer. if Florida and LSU don't fire their coaches, we wouldn't be in this situation. So I'm not going to let somebody else dictate my terms. Okay, I'm coaching, I'm winning, every day I'm delivering, that's all I care about, and that's all Ole Mishah care about.

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It's when somebody tries to hide news, and it ends up making it a bigger stric. story. That's what the Cleveland Brown conspiracy theorists believe is happening, that Kevin Stefansky and Andrew Barry are trying to bury Shadur Sanders, and therefore these conspiracy theorists think, no, you're not. We're going to make it a bigger story. Dear Shadur truthers, ask yourself, what does Cleveland or the NFL have to benefit by sabotaging Shadur? Sodor Sanders. Number one, young fans like him. Week one of the season, he had a top five jersey. He had good ratings in college. He's kind of interesting. I'm interested. Very few mediocre

quarterbacks or bad quarterbacks I care about. He's won. He's got some charisma. His dad was a superstar. The NFL, the NFL has made it, and they did this years ago when Jerry Jones complained about Tony Romo getting hit so hard, they've really wrapped their quarterbacks in like, you know, like saran wrapped to protect them. You can't hit the quarterback. You can't drive them into the ground. They don't like quarterback injuries. They want 32 interesting teams.

And right now we've got 10 teams. I won't count Miami because I still think offensively they're interesting. But now that Pennix is out, Atlanta's one of them, we have 10 unwatchable teams. We have 10 unwatchable. It's like the bottom of the NBA. The quarterback is so valuable now. If you don't have the right quarterback, you're unwatchable. and so they want

I mean the newspaper industry may be dying but not the herd herald here are the two headlines the NFL wants Monday morning they would Cleveland would love this and the NFL would Shadour looks prime time

Sanders throws three touchdowns against the Raiders and if that one's not good enough how about this one Shadur enough Sanders right fit for Cleveland okay the funny thing about this conspiracy theory, it's got four stages.

There's been four different conspiracies. The first one was, he dropped to the fifth round. The league is against him. Yeah, I'm not going to buy into that one. The second one was, he's on the scout team. He's behind Dylan Gabriel. Okay. The third one was, oh, so now the Cleveland cops are in on it.

They gave him two speeding tickets. So now you have the NFL, Kevin Stefansky, and law enforcement are all in on it. And then the fourth one was, I mean, how can you play him? He didn't get any reps with the first team. Josh Dobbs won a game without a practice in Minnesota. Okay, stop. You've got cops in on it, the league in on it, Stefansky in on it, the GM in on it. here's the truth

and conspiracy theories begin when you just don't like the truth. The truth is he's immature, that's indisputable, and he's not that good. I'm rooting for him because I don't root against young people. Even Baker Mayfield, when I used to whack him

or Johnny Mansell, I always wanted him to win. I want him to be good. You watch the one o'clock window? You ever watch the one o'clock window on Red Zone? It gets ugly fast. They don't put the good quarterbacks in the one o'clock window. Josh Allen's playing later.

Lamar Mahalms, they're not in the one o'clock window very often. Right? So Caleb, increasingly, they want to get him out of the one o'clock window. So here is Shadour on his start against the Raiders. I know our fans have a lot of expectations and hope. And I would be doing a disservice to myself and the service to the organization if I didn't feel like I am the guy With the circumstances, everything got to be sped up, and that's great.

You know, I like pressure in life. I'm just excited for everything. This is a bizarrely fascinating game that the NFL could put up the Browns and the Raiders, and I want to watch it. My guess is he looks very good on some plays. I always thought he was more mobile than all the NFL draft gurus gave him credit for. We saw him spin move this past weekend. I think he's a little bit more mobile than people think.

I also think he throws a pretty ball. I thought he had to throw to the ends on this weekend. That should have been a touchdown. And he would have capped off the comeback. And I also think he's going to throw some really bad picks because he tends to hold on to the ball too long. And I also think he runs backwards, which he did in college. So I think it's going to be a totally mixed bag.

I do think he's got the best defense in this game, and that gives him a real chance to win, probably why I would take him. I like his coach better and I like his defense better. so I think Cleveland's going to win with him, but he's going to run backwards on more than one occasion. It drives Stefansky crazy, and he's also going to throw a really bad pick. But that's the reality of young quarterbacks.

But I do think he's more talented than the fifth round. I always did. But you can't deny he's been immature. The speeding tickets, you know, legendary, tanking pre-draft interviews, you know, you got to be, you got to do better. than that. I have a lot on this topic. I just want to share this. Diana Rusini on her podcast dropped this. So we all know J.J. McCarthy is struggling. He's got the lowest passer rating in the NFL for a starting

quarterback like by a lot. He's last in completion percentage, TD to interception ratio passer rating among 33 qualified quarterbacks. No reason to bury the kid, but he's not great at all. But she said There's an interesting line here. But more than that, it's the vibes around him all season have been weird. From how he was really doing in camp, it was like they were hiding or suppressing information, to the fact that Carson Wentz, we discovered, was actually trying to play through a torn labrum before finally going on IR. And then suddenly, J.J. McCarthy was healthy enough to play once again.

It does feel weird. And now I've said, play him and. until the end of the season. There's no reason to not play him. But this does, this does, Diana Rusini's opinion here does validate and double down on the truth. If he was a cornerback, a wide receiver, a weak side linebacker, or a safety, I wouldn't care as much about his slow start. I would be willing to be more patient. But the reason I'm so brutal on Johnny Mansell or Baker Mayfield or Cam Newton or a J.J. McNeum. McCarthy is, quarterback is the one position that everybody relies on, including the coach,

to eat. In the NBA, over my lifetime, it's become almost, almost positionless. I mean, what is LeBron? Whatever they need that night? Shooter, distributor, three, four. But even parents with their children will name a specific child to be executor of the will. They feel he or she's better with money, assets, and responsibility. Even a parent has a hierarchy in the will for their own kids. And that's the reality of pro football. College too, but more pro football. Quarterbacks have to be more mature, faster.

And the weird thing doesn't play. And for the record, Caleb Williams, Bo Nix, Drake May are durable. And nobody wants to hear this, and it sounds unfair. But J.J. McCarthy could have 27 starts already, and he's got five. So one of the reasons, people worried about panics, uh-oh, he's hurt again. And Jaden Daniels, the number one concern was durability. He's hurt again.

So some of this is, if JJ was coming in and lighten the world on fire, you could stomach the durability issues. But it's the weird stuff, the durability, he's struggling, and it's unfair, but quarterback's different. Maturity matters, starting quickly matters, durability matters. It just all matters more, right? I don't mind if I got a little flaky outside linebacker or corner. Got a little ego. Can't have a quarterback like that.

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