The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd-HOUR 1-Lakers-Heat, Browns, LeBron James, Cam Newton

Episode Date: October 1, 2020

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15 minutes of great with Greg Kosell on a Thursday in the herd one hour from now. Joy is a little down in the dumps today because of what transpired last night. It's not great. The heat is not on, Colin. Not right now, no. Yeah, it doesn't quite feel. Doesn't quite have. That's what it felt like last night.

Well, they say, Joy, you should never overreact. to game one of a series. It's easier in baseball because sometimes you just have a great pitcher and nobody can hit him. But in basketball, you know, first game of a series, Spolstra's a great coach. He'll make changes. But there are two big issues for the Miami Heat, and I don't see these two issues changing. One, they're falling apart. Dragich is hurt.

And number two is, this is a bad matchup. Let's just start with Bam, out of Bayou, Miami. He's a nice young player, average 16 and 10 in the regular season. Against Boston, he looks like a great player. He averaged 22 a game. This is who he is. Now, that's who he is against Boston guarding Daniel Tice, where he can concentrate and be much more profound and dynamic on the offensive end

because he doesn't have much of a defensive assignment. Now, BAM has to guard AD and occasionally LeBron, which will mean more fouls, sap more energy, and he will not be the offensive player he was in the Boston series. This matchup is not changing. He's a kid. He's 23. LeBron and AD are not kids.

They're going to go after him the entire series and should because it will take his offense away. This is a problem. The Lakers' front line is huge. 610 AD. 610 Dwight Howard, 6-9 LeBron. They can bring in Javelle McGee. They are big and long and powerful and veterans.

Miami's front line is 6-7 Duncan Robinson, who's a perimeter player, 6-6-J Crowder and 6-9 Bam, who's a baby. They're going to have to play guys they don't necessarily want to play in this series. This matchup issue, Bam is a good young player. He averaged 16 a game. That's what he is. 22 against the Celtics, a very small team that scores most of their points on the wing and in the back court is a different matchup. Boston was a very good matchup. This is a very bad matchup for the heat and bam. Here's the other thing. Dragage is. is now hurt. Oh, brother. And Jimmy Butler can get you 30 a night, but you're going to have to

score 110 to 1 15 to win this series. Let's make it a math problem. Take out Jimmy's 30. Who's giving you the other 80? Because Bam's not dropping 22 a night in this series. He'll be down to 15, 16, 17 because his defensive assignments are going to be so rigorous. Can you imagine waking up? Who are you guarding tonight? LeBron and AD and you're 23. So the issue is Drogich is hurt. So you're not getting offense there. Bam's defensive assignments are tougher. You're not going to get huge offensive consistent output there.

You need Tyler Hero to play. And he is a defensive liability. You don't have a choice now. You need threes. You need somebody that can shoot. Tyler Hero's got to play because he's one of the great young shooters in the game. I mean, there are times he looks like Steph. I'm not saying he's step, but he's a great issue.

And he's a defensive liability. Lakers go right after him. Lakers are a bunch of old veteran players. They know the game. they know the sport. They don't have a lot of young players. They're going to go right after Tyler Hero. When he's on the floor, he is a defensive problem. But they've got to play him. It's a math problem.

Jimmy Butler's giving you 25 to 30. Hopefully he doesn't have an off night. Where are you getting your points? You're not going to get him from Bam like Boston. You're not getting him from Dragich. He was invisible. Now he's hurt. You've got to get him from Duncan Robinson and Tyler Hero and both are defensive liabilities, especially Tyler. But you've got to pick your poison here. you've got to put him in, cross your fingers he hits his threes, and cross your fingers who he's guarding is not hot.

Now, I don't think the Lakers will shoot like they did in the first half. Last night was one of those nights. The Lakers just, and this is a Laker team, we can never figure out who's going to score beyond LeBron and AD. And last night everybody was hitting. KCP was hitting. Caruso was hitting. Danny Green was hitting.

But you got some issues here where it is a match-up problem. I mean, we watch Kansas City and Baltimore play on Monday. It's a match-up problem for Baltimore. It happens. You know, the NBA, it's like fights. Mike Tyson was a bad fit with Evander Holyfield. If Vanderholyfield could take a punch. He could play the angles on Mike.

He could deliver punches with Mike. He would get inside Mike Tyson. They could fight five times. Evander Holyfield was a bad matchup for Mike Tyson. Baltimore, Kansas City's a bad matchup for him. Boston in Miami, Boston is so small. It allowed Bam, a young player to flourish. Defensive assignments weren't that rigorous.

Good luck waking up in the morning if you're 23 years old having to guard AD and LeBron. And Frank Vogel saw it. And by the way, LeBron saw it after the game. He said, I can't wait. Just let's know what LeBron said after. I think you can learn so much more from a win than you can and a loss. And I can't wait to get for tomorrow for us to get back together and watch the film and see ways we can be back. better. Just keep pounding the ball to Anthony Davis, force BAM to have to guard Anthony and

LeBron. It'll suck points away from his offensive game and it's a problem. Here's the other advantage to the Lakers. I mean, when you watch like that kind of dominating performance, apathy sets in, right? Like the Lakers have to convince themselves for the next three games they play, we've got to be mentally focused tonight or we cannot win and now Dragich is hurt. And that plays with your head. Like, what can they do? But there's not going to be apathy in this series because the Lakers want to get the hell out of the bubble. You're not going to have your typical apathy in a series where you win the first two games, you go on the road, you mailed it. Lakers want to go home. Lakers are an old team. Lakers guys are married. Lakers guys got kids. There's going to be no

apathy here. They want to get the hell out of the bubble, go back to Los Angeles to their cribs in L.A. with beach views and their girlfriends, their wives, their fans. I don't see a sense of an apathy, which is always a problem when you have a game one blowout, is you have to now convince the veteran team. These guys are really good. That was an aberration. I guarantee you the heat now. I don't think the Lakers will shoot that well. I think Spolster's a great coach. I still think Miami wins a game or so in this series. But the matchups and now the mounting injuries, I think Miami's in trouble. I think they're in trouble. All right. So it's going to be a very good NFL weekend. It starts tonight. Sam Darnold. I'll take the Jets, I think, over Denver.

I'll watch it. I mean, the NFL's got so much power. I'm going to watch two bad teams play. I think the Jets, darnel probably find a way to win narrowly, but it'll be really ugly football. One of the more entertaining games this weekend is going to be Cleveland against Dallas. This is Baker Mayfield, who's been, to say the least, a huge disappointment is the number one on the biggest stage, playing in front of family and friends down in Texas.

And Dak Prescott and the Cowboys, who frankly could be 0 and 3. They also could be 3 and 0, maybe 2 in 1. Baker Mayfield says, I am up for any kind of game we have to play. When it comes down to it, we're playing the Cowboys defense. And we have to do whatever it takes to win. And if that is a shootout, then great. Then if it's another game, we have to control the clock, then we'll do that. So whatever it takes to win.

A no, if it is a shootout, it is not great. And this is going to be interesting for Baker Mayfield this weekend. He's going back home. Dozens of friends and family in a stadium who played. some high school and college football. He wants to show awful little. Baker's got a little ego. Baker wants to show the world. I can go toe to toe with that. Baker, take a deep breath.

We now have a clear and inarguable truth about Baker Mayfield. You can no longer argue it. The less Baker, the more they win. The Cleveland Browns are seven and one with Baker Mayfield when they throw 26 or fewer times and he manages the offense. don't ask a lot from him. Let him manage it, hand it off, and make a handful of big throws. They are 8 and 17.

They're a bad, bad football team when they ask Baker to throw 27 or more. You can no longer argue it. That's through multiple coaches. This GM and this head coach in Cleveland are brand new and have no loyalty to Baker. and they have discovered, to their credit, very quickly, more Baker, less winning. Less Baker, more winning. He cannot carry a film.

He's not a lead. He can be Christopher Walkin and the Deer Hunter. He ain't De Niro. First couple of years, everybody, number one pick. I know it's discouraging. I know it's disappointing. But I don't think it is. I think what's very encouraging for Cleveland

and why I think they're going to win a lot of games this year, you know, Hollywood struggles with this. Actors in their early 20s. Can Shia LaBuff be a lead? He does movies? What's the box office? You know, you find out some actors can be leads. Some actors are good two and threes.

Baker's not a lead. And that's disappointing when you're a number one pick. But it's not disappointing if the new GM and the new coach can identify it and say, we can still get to the playoffs. We may not beat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh, out. We can get to the playoffs with this, and I think they can. This is not a shootout weekend. I know your family's going to be there and your friends.

Your frat boys are going to be there. All the sooner fans, I get it. This team, Cleveland, if they run it 37 times, can beat the Dallas Cowboys. If it becomes a shootout, Baker will make too many mistakes. It's no longer arguable. 7 and 1 when he doesn't throw much, 8 and 17 when he throws too much. I like Dallas in a good game, and I actually do hope Baker understands what he is, And we get a great, great football game because it's not a great schedule this weekend of classic matchups.

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Geico.com. Greg CoSell, top of the hour, Chris Broussard in a couple of minutes. Jeff Van Gundy is an excellent broadcaster. Really good, very good coach. People are rumored he's going to go to the Clippers. But, you know, there's always the LeBron. and Michael debate. And people tend to romanticize the past.

So, you know, a lot of people think, you know, everything was better in the 90s. I don't happen to be one of those people. I think NBA players are much better now. Everybody can shoot. You know, you go back to the 80s and 90s. You'd have five guys on a roster that couldn't shoot, two or three starters that couldn't shoot. Everybody now can shoot. Seven footers can shoot.

The game's much more skilled. I mean, Anthony Davis is 6'10. He can ball handle. He can shoot. He can defend. I mean, it used to be a guy. like Anthony Davis were back to the basket. You couldn't run the floor, couldn't put the ball on the floor, couldn't beat anybody off the dribble, couldn't shoot.

The league's never been better. LeBron's beating unbelievably talented players and making them all look small. But the game was also very physical back then. It was a grab push hand check league, and people argue that Michael's better and this and that. But you think LeBron would have struggled with a hand check? He's 6.9.250 with a 3% body fat. He'd have done just fine in any era. Michael would have done very good in this era.

Great players are great players. Wilts Chamberlain would have been good in this era. Kareem would have been good in the 50s or now. Great is great. But Jeff Van Guddy made a real point about the whole LeBron M.J. debate. I don't like the whole comparison thing about who's better. But I would say at the end of his career, LeBron James, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, you're going to be able to make a case that one of them,

and I would say LeBron James, is going to have the best career. Does that mean he's the best player? that's up for anybody else to debate. I mean, you're talking about a career longevity-wise. That's unparalleled other than Kareem. I mean, I watch Kareem. I'm old enough. I watched Kareem at the very end.

He was hobbling up and down the floor. You still couldn't stop the sky hook. There was a play before half. It didn't count with LeBron James. Let's roll the tape. This looks like a pitcher that's still throwing 99 miles an hour. It looks like a running back that's still rushing for 1,700 yards. It didn't count.

But look at LeBron. year 17. Good hell. What is that? It's not close. Karim and MJ were broken down. LeBron's not even close to the end of his career. He's got three. He'll start next year as the best player in the league. And if he's not, he's two. So it's a whole different ballgame. Portland, Houston, and Denver, all three series. And by the way, this one too. What's the big question? Who can guard LeBron? Nobody on Portland could. Nobody on Houston could. Nobody on Denver. could and nobody, Jimmy Butler can give it a run, but you can't have Jimmy Butler guarding him for 38 minutes. Jimmy Butler's got to work. He's going to be one of your only scores for Miami.

Who can guard LeBron? I mean, that is the question now. This is, he's the best player now. He'll be the best player at the start of next year. And the one thing is that LeBron is more adaptable than Michael. Michael was the killer and the score, but he worked with one great teammate and one great coach. LeBron's worked with Bosch and Kyrie and D. Wade and Kevin Love and, and, and, and, and, Anthony Davis. And LeBron's much more adaptable. He's much less rigid. He's gotten five head coaches to the finals.

He's worked with multiple systems and multiple teammates and multiple old guys in multiple cities. Michael, think about it this. If they were not basketball players, if LeBron and Michael were CEOs, Michael would be the CEO that came to a company, rebuilt it and hit it out of the park, then got burned out and quit. Came back and did it again at the same company. then left and could never turn around another dysfunctional company, The Wizards.

LeBron would be the CEO that entered a company, built it up, but felt he didn't have the personnel to really crush it. Went to Miami, crush that company. Went back to the old company he couldn't win a title with. Crush that company. Moves to L.A., crushes that company. No quitting. No taking time off.

Different coaches, different employees, different systems, different infrastructures. Boom, boom. boom, boom. It's more impressive what LeBron's doing. If you took the basketball out and just said they're both CEOs, one guy quit, one guy couldn't work without a head coach and without a co-star. LeBron's done it with Wade and Bosch and Love and Kyrie and Anthony Davis, guards and forwards and bigs and young and old and flaky and, I mean, everybody, it's just, it's a more impressive career. You can argue best player at their prime. Michael was about, Michael's probably the most dynamic individual player I've ever seen in my life

in the prime of his career is great six years. I would never deny that. Michael's great. But adaptable, the ability to work multiple-level systems coaches. I don't think there's anything close to LeBron. And that play at the end of the half, I just laugh watching it. I'm like, that's a guy still throwing 99 on the corner. That's not a pitcher.

That's 99 miles an hour if you're a major league baseball pitcher in the series. That is running for 1,600 yards as a running back in the Super Bowl. Like, he's not close. He is not even close to the end of his career. Here's Joy Taylor. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. His first step is still so fast.

Did I ever tell you the Mike Shishovsky story? So Mike Shishovsky, you know, had seen LeBron play. And Mike Shishovsky was coached the Olympic team. And I heard this through a friend of Jay Billis. So Shishvsky, you know, Jay Billis played at Duke. And so Shishvsky, it's the first practice he's ever had with LeBron on the floor. and it was Olympic practice. You know, and Mike's just sitting there.

He's like, oh, I've got to watch LeBron, and everybody knew Mike and everybody knows LeBron. The ball's loose. It's loose at mid-court, and that's where Shoshchevsky's standing with, like, you know, Popovich and the Air guy. They're standing right there. LeBron comes flying in, grabs the ball,

doesn't grab it, like picks it up, takes one dribble, one, and with his momentum, dunks it. And Shishvsky starts laughing. And he told the story of Jay Billis and in front of Jay Billis, and maybe I heard a J. Tell him in the ear. And literally, she says, he's like, I don't, that's not even, that's not possible. That's not, I've been in basketball for 45 years. That, so he saw him at practice.

And D. Wade had a story like that. The first couple of practices with LeBron, you're like, you fans aren't even seeing what he's doing off camera. In practice, yeah. I mean, it's, well, I mean, obviously we're not at games now. But if you go to a game and you're able to see just how fast and powerful he is, However fast it looks on television, it's that much faster in person. So Washington will be forced to take on the Ravens without their star rookie. Defensive end, Chase Young is expected to miss this week with a groin injury.

He suffered a moderate strain last Sunday, but it's not considered to be too serious. His status is week to week going forward. This is significant for them. He's had two and a half sacks and one force fumble. He's been already good. He's been great. And also because they are so good on the defensive front, you can't double them as much. Like they have three, four legitimate players up front.

Yeah, he's getting opportunities. He left last Sunday against the Browns with an injury. And Washington's defense has been good. They're second in the NFL in sacks with 13, tied for 18th in the NFL and points allowed per game. And six in the NFL in yards allowed per game. But this is a loss for them. And the Ravens are coming off a very humiliating L on Monday night to the Kansas City Chiefs. This could get so ugly.

Yeah. I don't have high aspirations for Washington this weekend. The Washington football team, the nickname, the new nickname may be buried because they're going to get rolled. This is an unfortunate situation for Washington to be in coming off of a game like that for the Ravens. They're going to be extremely motivated to get back on track because that wasn't just, they had lost close and it was a very emotional game that had come down to the line. Yeah. No, everyone talks about there's no moral victories. but there's a way that you lose that carries over into next week.

And we overreact to Monday night football all week. We're questioning can they play from behind and what does their defense really look like? This is going to be a game the Ravens take very seriously to get back on track. So this is concerning. Joe Burrow has been stacked more than any other quarterback this season. And the Bengals coaches are hoping he can be smarter about taking so many hits. So offensive coordinator Brian Callahan said, you don't want your quarterback to get hit as much as he has.

Some of those are on protection. Some of those are on him and his style of play. The play is never over for him. He does everything he can to keep it alive. That's why you drafted him. Yeah. And Zach Taylor added that makes Joe the player that he is. He's not afraid to take those hits and put himself in that position because it means explosive plays.

There's a balance of being smart and putting yourself in that position. I do not like this. First of all, like you said, that's the reason why you drafted him because he is a playmaker. He is going to hold on to the ball. He's not afraid to take hits. Obviously, when you're taking hits in college, that's different from taking hits from grown men in the NFL. Yeah. Even if they are right, your offensive line is atrocious.

That's not Joe Burroughs' fault. He's also a rookie. The speed of the game has enhanced tremendously. And he's trying to carry your franchise is the number one overall pick, and everyone's watching to see what he's able to do. He's had 14 sacks, 30 quarterback hits in three games. So let's put this in perspective, right? because we're looking at this situation like it's the Andrew Luck

situation. We all know how that ended, right? Andrew Luck's rookie year, he was sacked 41 times. That's the fourth most in the NFL since 2012 and tied for the most in Luck's career. Burrow, 41 times. Burrow is on pace to be sacked 75 times.

God. This is what we worried about. It's not I've got to tell you something. I've watched every snap of Joe Burrell's career. He's terrific. the Bengal fans should be overwhelmingly happy. Now, has he run himself into a couple of sacks? Yes.

The protection guard, center guard right now for them is not good enough. So, listen, I understand what they're saying. But when somebody is gifted and they're young, like Tyler Hero for the Heat, you just got to let him play. It's a beautiful game. He's going to be an unbelievable player. Don't nitpick him now. He's not very good defensively.

Nobody in this league is good defensively. 22 years ago. He's to high school. You just got to let Tyler Hero play. Don't pull him out of games because he can't do this. You need his offense. Put him in, let him play. He's going to get gobbled up in the divin. You can't make Burrow be worrying about multiple things. Let him make plays. You solve the problems in the offseason on the offensive front. But never ask a super talented young guy do less of what you do best. Like Tyler Hero, get in there and shoot. And Joe, you just go make plays. Don't nitpick a young athlete. Like if your intention was to take Burrow with the number one overall pick, your next intention should be build the offensive line. Next two years. Forget the defense. Forget getting him high-powered offensive pieces.

Your entire goal should be put together the offensive line. Those numbers are staggering. It's not on Burrow. So the 76ers are nearing down their search for a new head coach. The job was expected to be Mike D'Anonies to lose. But after Doc Rivers part of ways with the Clippers, he became another prime candidate. The team reportedly met with Rivers yesterday

and they're expected to choose between him and Mike D'Antony. A decision could come as early as this week. I would say Doc's a perfect pick because Doc's always gotten alphas to get along. That's Doc's secret sauce is making stars get along. Chris Paul, DeAndre, Blake Griffin, it kind of worked. I mean, despite the fact they're all super strong personalities.

Like Doc and Philly works. I love Doc for this job. Yeah. First of all, he is the type of alpha that can come in, calm everyone down. I've won a championship. You have not. I just coached Kauai and Paul George. You didn't do that.

I have the ability to build up young players, put them in a position to win, build up an organization. Because whatever you say about the 76ers and their process and culture and whatever, like they don't have an identity whatsoever. Doc Rivers can come in and give them an identity. He also knows personnel well enough, like you said, not only to make stars work, but put together pieces around role players and make an actual team. I don't like DeAnonio for this job. Well, Dan Tonys, we have a history. What job does he work?

Right, but like you have to, Dan Tony works with a specific type of player. I don't think that the Sixers have that. Yeah, Dan Tony works with a guard wing, offensive-minded team, not a huge fan of Biggs. He's good with small ball, and if that's your future, then go with it. But I don't think that's what's going on with the 70s. I think Doc is great for this job.

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I know I'm not supposed to overreact to game one, Chris. I think they're huge matchup issues for the heat. I'll just give you the one I talked about. Bam average 16 on the year. And against Boston, he average 22 because he didn't have much of a defensive assignment. That's a small front court. against the Lakers, they're going to ask BAM to guard AD and LeBron. That is going to suck the energy out of him.

There's going to be more fouls. And so I think BAM's going to be reduced offensively as a player. What does that mean? Outside of Jimmy Butler, who can you depend on? Tyler, here is a huge defensive liability. I think BAM is going to have his hands full. It will suck the offense out of his game mostly. And I don't know if they can keep up with this big Laker front line.

Your thoughts on if the series feels over. Oh, it's over. It fell over before it started. I mean, I picked the Lakers in five. You did a great job, but kind of breaking down some of the nuances of what they faced with Bam out of Bayou. But you don't even have to really go that deeply. The Lakers have the two best players on the court by a mile. They've got more experienced by a mile.

They are the better team, period, the end. Bam Out of Bayou is Miami's big man. he's smaller than LeBron. And I don't just mean height. He might be a little an inch or so shorter. But look at Bam out of bite. He's not skinny. But he's much smaller than LeBron.

He's much smaller than Dwight Howard. He's much smaller than Anthony Davis. And that's what he has to contend with. And if his shoulders bothering him, then he's really in trouble. And then you mentioned it. I mean, the young guys, Tyler Hero, Duncan Robinson. God forbid if Gorin Drogich is out. And now, as you said, if Bam is compromised, because as much as I like Hero and Duncan, they are not ready.

Tyler Hero was playing high school basketball two years ago. They are not ready to be when the defense focuses on them, right? They're not ready to be game planned for. They're good playing off, you know, when the defense is worried about Jimmy Butler and Bam and Goran Drogitz. Okay, we're going to get ours because you're not really thinking about us. But when you start focusing on them because Drogich is hurt and BAM is compromised, they're not going to be able to deliver. They're just not ready for this moment yet.

So the only question, Colin, is will this go more than four games? That's it as far as the competitiveness of this series. What does it say about the Eastern Conference? We always knew the West was better, though LeBron sliced through it. What does it say about the East? The great point, because this is just more proof that the East, East is still the least. I think myself and others were beginning to think, you know what?

The East is gotten, it's almost caught the West now. The East is really good now. No. Look at Janice. Yonis was the, they had the best team in the East in Milwaukee. They ran through the regular season. He's one superstar. With all due respect to Chris Middleton, who's a good player.

You can't get through the West with one superstar. The last team to get through the West with one superstar was Dirk Novitsky in Dallas, 2011. They had Jason Kidd who was older. But look at all the, just to contend in the West, you need at least two. Houston's got Westbrook and Harden. The Lakers have LeBron and AD. The Clippers had Kauai and Paul George. Denver now's got Yolkich and Jamal Murray.

Poor Damien Lillard, he's a superstar, but he's the only one as good as C.J. McCollum. they can't compete. They would be really tough in the East. So this is just further evidence that the West is still light years ahead of the Eastern Conference. Now next year will help with Brooklyn. But again, two superstars they'll have. That'll put them ahead of everybody else in the East.

No, you're certain to sound like Joy Taylor. Oh, well, you've already got trophies out there in Brooklyn. So, you know, it is interesting. This was the year of the duo. All we heard duos. And you know, I was thinking about the duos this morning and Kauai and Paul George and Hardin and Westbro. and Kemba and Tatum and just,

it was Simmons and M. B. And it's the League of Duos. And yet one of them not only worked perfectly, LeBron A.D., it worked instantly. I can remember Joy and I the first week. They played three games. And we were like, my God.

Like they're brothers. It just fits perfectly. Why do you think LeBron A.D. Is such, and I loved LeBron and Wade, but I never thought it was an athletic fit. Same with Kyrie and LeBron. Who's going to carry the ball? Kyrie didn't like that LeBron would kind of take over the offense.

Why do you think AD and LeBron work so perfectly? Because their positions and the way they play complement each other. You've got the big man who needs a guard to kind of create stuff for him, even though he can shoot on the perimeter, handle it a little bit. And you've got the guard and LeBron who loves to pass the ball. So it's a perfect fit. Look, as good as LeBron and Wade were, as good as LeBron. Brian and Kyrie were.

They both, in both cases, both were ball dominant players. Wade literally had to back up and say, you know what? I'm going to be like 80% of the player I can be so we can win. And LeBron can run everything. Kyrie and LeBron, like you said, it frustrated Kyrie at times because LeBron would bring the ball up 60% of the time. Those teams won not because they were such great fits, but because LeBron and Kyrie and LeBron and Wade were just so good.

Both two individual players who were so great that they were able to win championships. But Miami did not maximize itself. Overall, that was not an all-time great team. They won two in four years. I remember the night LeBron said he's going to Miami, if somebody had said they're going to win two out of the next four, I'd have been like, is that it? Most people would have said they're going to get at least three. but they didn't because the fit wasn't perfect.

Look at the great team, Showtime Lakers, Magic Worthy Kareem, fit. Jordan Pippin, fit. You know, Shaq Kobe, they didn't fit off the court, but on the court, they fit. A.D. and LeBron fit. And that's why beyond this year, they can really do some damage and maybe win another championship or two. You know, when LeBron wins a title, Chris, there are going to be a lot of people. they're going to say LeBron, fifth finals with a fifth different head coach, right? The 10 finals, five different head coaches, three rings with three different.

A lot of people got to like LeBron over MJ. Jeff Van Gundy said last night, career-wise, it's LeBron or Kareem. I mean, come on. I mean, you'd have to admit that, right? What does that mean? And I love Jeff Vang. I covered him when he coached the Knicks. Great respect for him.

But that's a cop-out. best career we had eddie johnson a former player on the eye company other night he said lebron's the best all around player those are just ways of getting away from the real crux of it who's the goat there's one go with with tom brady do we say well erin rogers throws the best ball he's the best you know past no there's one goat. It's Tom Brady in the NFL. It's Michael Jordan in the NBA. All this other stuff best career. What does that mean?

Honestly, LeBron, and I'm tired of people acting like it's an insult to say LeBron's better than magic, Kareem, Wilk, Bird, everyone else to play except Michael Jordan. It's not. But how could, how

has LeBron had a better career than Michael Jordan? Jordan won six championships. That's the ultimate goal. Oh, and individually, he led to league in scoring 10 straight years when he was healthy. Jordan essentially had 11 full seasons. Twice with his 13 years with Chicago, he came back from baseball, played like 17 games in a regular season. And then he was hurt his second year played 17 or 18 games. So he really had 11 full seasons if you toss out when he's elderly in Washington.

And in those 11 seasons, Colin, he won 6.000. championships. The longevity argument for LeBron is a positive in many ways. And he's going to have the records, longevity records. But it also can be a negative because I can say, well, hold on. In 17 years, he's only going to have four rings. Jordan got six and 11. So I don't see how LeBron's had a better career than Michael Jordan. Jordan just locked down the whole league. Nobody else can win. Other guys have won under LeBron's watch. Tim Duncan's one.

Kevin Durant's one. Steph Curry's one. And they didn't all have to team up necessarily to do it. Dirk Novitsky's won. Jordan, once he started winning, it's over. You won't win again unless I decide to go play baseball. Or unless I decide to retire again. That's what he did.

Well, we could have two goats. A lot of people have two goats. They're called farmers. But maybe we'll get to a two goat conversation. A lot of passion with Chris Broussard. That's why I love him. Second best. What is second best?

My goodness. Oh, okay. All right. Good seeing you, buddy. Top of the hour, Greg Kossel. Coming up next, Cam Newton, Josh McDaniel says something pretty cool about him, and I'm going to scold the media again.

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And I think Cam Newton understood the urgency of this situation. There were not a lot of teams that wanted them, and there were two potential outcomes. Don't embrace New England system and your career could mostly be over. The big paydays are over. Or embrace it, play well, win, and potentially get a big payday after it. And I think Cam Newton understood the urgency of it. Credit to him and Josh McDaniels talked about that. I've been super impressed with his humility.

This guy has, you know, he's accomplished a lot in his career, you know, and being 10 years in the league and doing all the things he's done and coming here and having no familiarity with our coaching style or our system or the way we do things. I have been incredibly impressed with the way he's embraced it. And I do think Cam deserves a lot of credit here. He understood there were multiple outcomes here. One really good, big payday coming up.

One, you may be limited. There are too many good young quarterbacks. He comes in, doesn't embrace it. Eh, he's out. But here's what I'm hearing a lot of now, my least favorite trait from the media. I cannot believe the league let Belichick have Cam. Oh, you're all experts now. That is implying two things.

That had Cam gone to Detroit or Washington or the Chargers, it would have worked out this well. Tom Brady's career wouldn't have been Tom Brady's career in Detroit or Cincinnati. You're implying that it would have looked just like this anywhere and that Belichick and McDaniels aren't special. If you think that, get another job. they change the history of football. They changed Brady's career.

Randy Moss was a mess, went to there, flourished, left, didn't do well. I mean, Randy Moss is an all-time great. He had like four, three years late in his career. He was great. This place. They take big personalities. They just take anything on, and it almost always works.

So the idea that Cam would have been this Cam in Detroit or the Chargers or any other team, stop it. Secondly, then you're also implying that the previous fours, years, there weren't legitimate questions about Cam. Ron Rivera didn't want him. He was hurt a lot. His last eight starts, he was 0 and 8 with more picks than interceptions. He was uneven at times moody, sometimes distracted. Those were all legitimate questions. We know we judge quarterbacks more harshly than we do receivers and linebackers and offensive guards. We expect them to be presidential, quarterbackial. And sometimes Cam played with flare and was a little distracted. He didn't know

is elevate Carolina players offensively. Those were real legitimate questions. If you go 0 and 8 with more picks than interceptions in your last 8, start and your head coach Ron Rivera, who's respected around the league, goes and get your backup and not you, those are legitimate questions that were year after year after year. It's a 500 quarterback post-Super Bowl. So let's not imply those two things.

The questions about him were real, and Belichick and Josh McDaniels have given him a perfect home with a great defense. He doesn't have to win shootouts, very good offensive line, solid running backs, a great ecosystem, and mostly some winnable games in a mostly, you know, dysfunctional division outside of Buffalo now. So I think it's great. I've said this before. I like stories.

Good or bad. I like stories. The NBA has always been a league. It's a great story league. I think the NFL in the last two years has surpassed the NBA in terms of stories. I always liked watching the NFL more, but it was very corporate. Sometimes it was very kind of stayed and suppressed. The league's better when cams in it and healthy.

The good cam. The early cam and this cam leagues better. What you think it'd be better if Jared Stenham started? That's not as interesting. You know, like to be, to struggle and be interesting, you usually have to be like Baker or Burrow where you've got a lot of hype and a lot of talk and you're new and I haven't seen much. And oh, my God, I watch Baker early in Burrow now and they're not great and the teams aren't good. but by and large, I watched the teams with good quarterbacks who win a bunch of games.

The early cam and this cam is good for the league. But let's not imply that it would have just turned out like this without Belichick and Josh. They changed Tom Brady. They changed the history of the league. I mean, literally, it's the only 20-year dynasty in the history of the sport. All other dynasties like the Dallas and 49ers dynasty look small, look tiny, compared to this. All right, hour two. Greg CoSell is coming up next. We are loaded on a Thursday, Jets, Denver tonight.

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