The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD – HOUR 1 – LeBron James & The Decision 2.0, Sam Darnold Remains Underrated

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

Colin Cowherd discusses LeBron James continuing to assess which team he’ll sign with in free agency for his 24th NBA season. Colin believes he will end up back with the Cavaliers but explains wh...y that is not the best landing spot for the 4-time champion. Colin also talks about a survey featuring league executives, coaches and scouts ranking Josh Allen ahead of Patrick Mahomes as the best QB in the NFL right now and why Colin has been right about Allen for years. He also talks about the WNBA continuing to shoot themselves in the footSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:24 Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Monday, man, there's a lot to talk about. Alexi Lawless, Derek Jeter, stop on by. We are live. In Chicago, it's the hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day, that stupid stomach virus I had.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Out of here. He's brushed it aside. Steaking a martini later, feel like a million bucks. So let me tell you the thing where fans can be hypocrites. the dumbest argument in the world. If you took a job at invidia, would your buddies, your wife, your friend say, oh, what a ring chaser. That's the easy way out. In every profession in America, Otani goes to the Dodgers. He selects the Dodgers. He's not called a ring chaser. If you're a high school football five-star recruit, you decide, I want to go to Ohio State instead
Starting point is 00:01:27 of Purdue. We celebrate it. NIL. Kid goes, I want to go play for Michigan and Dusty May. We celebrate it. But in professional basketball, it's the only part of America. If you join a better option, what a ring chaser. LeBron James reportedly is going to make a decision in 48 hours where he's going. He should go to Philadelphia. He should go to Philadelphia. He should go to Philadelphia. It's the best team by far, best chance to win a championship. Who cares what bots say on the internet? Chase Philadelphia. The problem is he doesn't have great connection to the city of Philadelphia. It doesn't know a lot of guys in the roster, but it's by far and away the best situation. I'd go in one second. Dude, it's Navidia. Go ahead and work at Bob's local
Starting point is 00:02:15 computer store in Cleveland. The Cavaliers aren't the best fit. It's the Lakers with better rim protection. Hardin and Donovan Mitchell don't play defense and need the ball. That's Austin Reeves and Luca. And by the way, LeBron's last several years in Los Angeles, for the record, when he chose the Lakers, it was the opposite of ring chasing. The four previous years, the Lakers, who had one of the poorest ownership groups in the NBA, had the worst record in the NBA and the worst point differential. He went the opposite.
Starting point is 00:02:45 How did it work out? In the end, frustrated. Nobody could stay healthy. Luca couldn't stay healthy. AD couldn't stay healthy. Austin Reeves in the playoffs couldn't stay healthy. average bench. So what did he get him?
Starting point is 00:02:58 A COVID ring. In Miami, he got to four straight finals. Oh, ring chasing. He wanted to play and work with good coworkers. I don't even get ring chasing. What does that mean? Every other person on the plant. When I had opportunities to leave in my entire career,
Starting point is 00:03:14 I've never once said, I want to go work with lesser management. You know what I like is bad teammates that need the ball and don't play defense? That's what I'd like to do. The whole fear about Philadelphia from the Rich Paul group is, and they're already sending messages, it would be viewed as ring chasing. No, it would be viewed as meeting contemporaries that have put the commitment in you have.
Starting point is 00:03:39 By the way, the Lakers in Cleveland, it's the same team with rim protection. The last several years in L.A., Austin Reeves and Luke and Anthony Davis, they can't stay healthy. If you go play for Philadelphia, Tyrese Maxie has led the NBA in minutes played the last years. Durable, reliable, ascending, committed, impeccable shape. Jalen Brown's in great shape. Edgecombe's a dog, man. He is fantastic. Yeah, M. Bede.
Starting point is 00:04:07 M. B's not necessarily healthy. Some of that's his body breaking down. But the idea of the gold, golden state. Golden State's nostalgia. I understand. But if you make the playoffs for the Warriors, the starting five's average age is going to be 37 seven years old. Give me a break. That's not viable.
Starting point is 00:04:27 And again, Cleveland, chemistry issues, too many guys that need the basketball, too many guys outside of Allen and Mowgli that don't want to play defense. They got swept by the Knicks, and three of the games were embarrassing. They quit.
Starting point is 00:04:40 That's not the best place to go. Going to the Warriors, we'll have a lot of nostalgia, but it'll be like a boys trip in your 50s to Vegas. The first night, you stay out a little late, and the rest of the vacation, just recovery.
Starting point is 00:04:55 And Cleveland's like moving back in with your parents. It's cool for about a night, but man, does that get old? Philadelphia is easily the best choice. But there's this whole thing. We punish pro basketball players in ring chasing. We don't punish stockbrokers that go to the better firm or lawyers that go to the better firm or a surgeon that goes to a better, more capitalized, more supportive hospital. We don't even, we don't bang on high school or college kids.
Starting point is 00:05:23 who join a big brand. We don't crush soccer players because they want to play for Real Madrid or Manchester United. We don't criticize Otani going to the Dodgers so we can have better players hitting in front and behind him in the lineup. There's something about pro basketball players. Oh, ring chasing. You want to join that circus in Cleveland?
Starting point is 00:05:45 You've already bailed on them twice. You want to go to the old warriors? I admit, that would be fun. I would love to watch Draymond and St. and LeBron. I'd love to watch it. I'm a sucker for that. That's like watching that Shawshank Redemption for the 13th time, or Oceans 11.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Like, I'd watch it. I'd watch it. Rich Paul on the notion, and I've been, you know, the word is LeBron's making a decision in two days here, 48 hours. I think one of the reasons he's waiting, I really believe this, is LeBron knows Philadelphia is the best choice, but he didn't have a real visceral, emotional connection there. But LeBron's smart. He knows the best choice. And I don't think he loves, you know, the ring chasing stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Rich Paul discussed that. The team he chooses, I don't know yet. There's a seriousness that comes with this. There's a competitiveness that comes. We know how hard it is to win championships. No roster, no organization is guaranteed to win a championship. But you do want to be competitive. You do want to have an opportunity to come late April and early May to compete at a high level
Starting point is 00:06:50 and give yourself the best chance of winning. He's not chasing the ring. You know, you hear these things. Like, why do we have to chase? He got four. There's nothing to chase. He's not chasing the ghosts or anything like that. But when you've worked as hard to position yourself the way you have
Starting point is 00:07:04 and you can actually decide what you want to do, who wouldn't take advantage of that? Exactly. Go take a job at invidia. Go from the angels to the Dodgers. Choose the Yankees. Choose the easiest route. Choose Ohio State. choose, you know, Michigan State basketball over a directional school.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Get the better coach. Get the better facilities. I don't get the ring chasing. I don't know why we punish just pro basketball players. We don't punish anybody else in the world for taking a better job with a better company, with better management, better momentum. All right. So we're down to the final four teams in the World Cup.
Starting point is 00:07:45 It's big brands and big stars. You got Mbapap, Maul, Messi, and Kane. And it's been really fun to watch. In my opinion, the two most difficult sports clubs to join in the world are Augusta National and elite World Cup level soccer franchises. The Spains, the England's, the Brazil's and the Argentinas. I mean, Gary Player, a three-time Masters champ was denied playing. recently his grandson. He wanted to play with his grandkids at Augusta. They turned him now.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Bill Gates in the 90s was the richest man in the world. Before we even talked about the richest man in the world, he couldn't get it in the 90s. He's a member now. They'd probably like to get rid of him. Money can buy you a lot of things. In baseball, the Dodgers money, payroll, plus the brilliant deferred payment plan has put them a leg ahead of the sport. In college sports, Michigan basketball, Indiana football, you can buy championships. Pay for the coach, pay for the players. In the NFL, you can buy immediate success, if not a Super Bowl. Hire a Harbaugh, that usually helps.
Starting point is 00:09:02 But you cannot do it in international soccer. England makes a fortune. England, endless, bottomless pit of revenue for soccer. One World Cup. One World Cup. And I think that's tough for Americans to swallow. But I was thinking about this yesterday, I went on a big walk, trying to get rid of this stomach crap, which I finally did.
Starting point is 00:09:25 And I was thinking about how it's almost like technology. Like in the 70s and 80s, Japan was a mile ahead of us in personal computers, in semiconductors. And I mean a mile ahead of us. It felt like we'd never catch up. And then now China now is ahead of us in EVs. I mean, robotics, they're a mile ahead of us in robotics, electronic vehicles, the 5G network stuff, which I don't know much about, but they're ahead of us there. So even when you have money in international soccer like Brazil or England, you can go decades of having a World Cup drought. Even though, and the reason is because soccer is so important, it is so important for revenue, viability, relevance, and for the culture of countries.
Starting point is 00:10:16 It's just like technology. Technology is so important to everybody on the face of the planet is that sometimes we lead, but not for very long. We have big gaps. We have droughts. We've had them in personal computers and semiconductors and 5G and electronic vehicles. Nobody leads everything forever. When's the last time we had back-to-back World Cup champions? It's been forever.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Brazil, remember several years ago when they hosted the World Cup? They lost a home game 7 to 1 to Germany. Brazil. We've got the most titles ever. So international soccer and Augusta are the hardest clubs to get into. And it does remind me a little bit of technology where you don't lead everything forever. You can lead and suddenly a trail. But there's so much relevant, so much money, so much of every country's futurist high to it. AI is now the big race. You hope you win. Even if America wins the initial surge into AI. Will we lead five years later? Will we lead? We lead 20 years later. It's too important for countries not to pour all their resources into it. This is not hockey or like a baseball. This is global soccer. And we are just fine.
Starting point is 00:11:27 It's not that we lost. It's the way we lost. We're going to be okay. Here's John Strong last week. We were always going to face this sort of bleak moment of retrospection. And like we said, it's amplified by the manner in which they lost to Belgium. If you compare it to where we were eight years ago, if you compare this team to what it was a year ago, it's in a great spot. It's going forward. But yeah, it's really, really hard
Starting point is 00:11:53 to crack into that top ten globally. Few nations bust into the top ten. It's not like college football where Indiana can buy their way into a national title. And I'm not being disrespectful to Indiana. The dynamics are different. Yeah, Augusta, international soccer. Money has a ceiling. And for Americans, we don't like to hear that. All right, WNBA steps in it again. NFL executives, scouts, coaches, survey on the top 10 quarterbacks in the league. Very interesting. Victor Wembenyama, taking a cue from Tom Brady and Jalen Brunson,
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Starting point is 00:17:15 And they asked them, who are the 10 best quarterbacks in the league? And so, you know, it's a lot of predictable people. Josh Allen above Mahomes, we've been on that for several years now. Burrow doesn't make the playoffs anymore. He's at four. Dak Prescott has one playoff whenever at six. Oh, I like to see Jared Goff and Caleb Williams in there. Where's Sam Darnold?
Starting point is 00:17:44 And that's what's really interesting. Even the GMs in this league don't know what the hell to do with Sam Darnold. Back-to-back 14 wins seasons, totally different players, offensive linemen, coordinators, coaches, back-to-back 14 wins and a Super Bowl. Since 22, that's four years ago. He has the highest win percentage of any quarterback in the league, more than Mahomes, Lamar Jackson. He's 32 and 9.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Four coaches, four coordinators, four teams, four rosters, four owners, 32 and 9. Almost 100 passer rating. All started once he was Benston, Carolina, got the job back, went four and two. Christian McCaffrey, one of the great players in league history, was there in Carolina and talked about when Darnold first arrived the Panthers. When I first met him in Carolina, from the jump, I was like, this guy's a dude. And the more and more you see him at practice, that you see the throws. You make you understand why he's the top pick in the draft.
Starting point is 00:18:50 And then you're around them more. You're like, this is one of the best players I've been around, period. And it's because of how talented his arm is, he's way more athletic than people give him credit for. And he's really good at taking what's given to him and doing his job. Christian McCaffrey's like, that's one of the best football players I've been around. Carolina's had some good ones. McCaffrey's been around some good ones in San Francisco, like six Hall of Famers with the Niners. Yet Darnel's one of the best football players I've been around.
Starting point is 00:19:21 So when he came out of college, I said there's a little Brett Fav and a little Andrew Luck. He can be reckless. Arm, athleticism, toughness, leadership, guys A++. I loved him out of college. I admit in Carolina when he got benched, I was like, I'm not sure what to do. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think I'm wrong. I see like a little Andrew Luck and a little bit of Ratt Fav
Starting point is 00:19:42 and people, oh, that's ridiculous. Well, how many Super Bowls does Fav have total? Oh, one. How many is Andrew Luck have? None. Sorry, this is football. It's not baseball. We don't care about your batting average.
Starting point is 00:19:54 The bottom line is executives don't know what to do. And I'll give you an example. I say this all the time. It's not just what happens when you enter a company. What happens to the one you leave? The Minnesota Vikings, when Sam Darnold left, same coach, same coordinators, same left tackle, same receivers, won five fewer games, missed the playoffs. With Sam, they had their greatest year in 26 years. I mean, that included like Randy Moss years, right?
Starting point is 00:20:27 He leaves Minnesota. Their bottom feel for their division. They don't feel like they're nearly as good now as Detroit, Green Bayer, Chicago. They would with Darnold. He goes to Seattle. They hadn't won a playoff game in six years. They hadn't made the playoffs in back-to-back years. They win the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:20:44 And simultaneously, let go of their star receiver, D.K. Metcalfe did not better. Did not matter. J.S.N. became a one with Sam Darnold. Right? Like, so I'm watching Minnesota. Before he gets there, meh, gets there while, leaves there. Mets. I'm watching Seattle.
Starting point is 00:21:03 May. Gets there wins the Super Bowl. what's the thread line what what what's what do we have in common here so you know people love Joe Burrell and they should Joe Burrell's amazing he's number four in the list Donald's not on it people love Burrell and the reason they love Burrell the most
Starting point is 00:21:20 is he had a two year period where he won 22 games and got to a Super Bowl Donald's in a two year period where he's won 28 games and won a Super Bowl and he's not on the list they don't know what to do people they don't know what to do. Herbert's never won a playoff game.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Back has one. Burl can't stay healthy. Can't make the playoffs. Again, images are powerful. Those first images are incredibly powerful. You see it with Jalen Hertz. He comes on to the scene. He gets to a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:21:55 All the dad is telling you, he struggles to throw the ball over the middle of the field. Greg CoSell's been telling us for two years. He can't see it. But years ago, He had a perfect team. He had a stacked roster.
Starting point is 00:22:07 You have a great running back. And that's the reality. The league's executives do not know what to do with Sam Darnold. Four teams, four years, 32 and nine. That's more impressive. Right? The old Bill Parcells, parcells, whatever team he went to, he won. Whatever the environment won.
Starting point is 00:22:28 Whatever, you could put Bill Parcells anywhere. Rebuilding jobs. He won. Didn't have to win Super Bowls. He won. I love this so much. Where is he? Where is Donald?
Starting point is 00:22:40 Let me get my bifocals, my binoculars. Where is? They can't find him on the list. One guy's four. One guy's not on the list. I'm just saying it feels like it's closer to me. I mean, Burrell's more expensive. Darnold's healthier.
Starting point is 00:22:57 I mean, deep ball arm. I'd take Darnold. J. Mack with the news. No. This is the herd line news. I'm going to stand down. Just a lot of laughter from this roof on Hapin, Coward. Hey, you know what?
Starting point is 00:23:15 No laughing matter? Argentina, Switzerland Saturday night. Oh, wow. I'm going to try to contain my outrage here. This game was actually phenomenal or low-key phenomenal, as the kids like to say. But the referee screwed up. Let's be real here. He calls a foul on Argentina here, gives the gentleman a yellow card.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Yeah. It was very clear on replays. there was no foul. That's a terrible yellow card. So he goes to VAR and says, oh, I got it wrong. It's simulation because the Switzerland Star was diving. So you get the yellow, and he had a yellow prior, and he was given a red and sent off.
Starting point is 00:23:52 Colin, there was outrage everywhere. Very controversial. Yes. I just don't think you can send someone off with 20 minutes left on a red card in a tie game in the quarterfinals. How could you do that? Well, and again, VAR is proving what our replay proves in pro football, which is 95% of the time it's an asset. And then about 5% of the time, it adds more confusion.
Starting point is 00:24:21 And I think we saw it. We've seen it multiple times with Balligan and this instance where whenever you introduce replay, we think it solves the issues, but it clouds and muddies. a smaller percentage of issues. That interception in the Broncos game against Buffalo, honestly, I would have been better without replay. It made it more confusing and more maddening. The Des Bryant Catch No Catch.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Replay was more infuriating. I would have rather seen it once and moved on. So, you know, I agree with you here. I didn't buy what they settled on, But I just, I've gone into replay. I didn't think this way years ago. I've just come to terms with about, about once every weekend in the NFL, replay makes it worse. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And the rest of the times it does make it better. The only problem is this is every four years, right? You get a small chance to make the World Cup. This is a quarterfinals. Yes, it's a dive. That's obvious. Everybody can watch, no. It's a good attempt at a dive.
Starting point is 00:25:28 I mean, NBA stars are out here like, oh, do I need to add that to my bag? that's an amazing dive and initially it worked but i don't know this is on the referee man and it's disappointing anyway argentina huh there is a rule you're not supposed to die yes it's called simulation yep right uh let's go let's go to the call by ian dark the game winner in overtime this is an absolute banger from alvarez alverette argentina just sensational julian out to break the hearts of switzerland that's a tough one for switzerland and Argentina added another one to move on for the 3-1 win. So now are you pro-dive, I guess what I'm asking.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Are you pro-dive? I don't love diving. I understand it. I mean, you could call this the SGA rule. So what would you have done if you were the official? I would have said, I got it wrong. There's no yellow card on Argentina. It's a dive.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Don't do that crap again or you're out of here. I want to see the players decide the game, don't you? Oh, of course I do. Yeah. So unless it's a member of the Wembee elbow to the face of Nasreed, That's obvious. You've got to eject him. But a dive in a tie game with 20 minutes left? I don't know. Anyways, Argentina, England, Colin, massive semifinal game.
Starting point is 00:26:51 You know that history. I like England. Interesting. So if you look at some of the gambling lines to advance, England is minus 144. That's a significant. They think England will advance the books. Now, that could be a hedge because so much money is being bet out of England. But then again, Messi's the most public player in the sport.
Starting point is 00:27:11 The great advantage England has, they played poorly and won. What does Sean Payton always say? The best time to be a coach is you play poorly and you win. And so you can coach harder. So I think, I thought England was fine. I don't understand people not acknowledging. It was the hottest World Cup game for a country that does not plan those temperatures. England was affected.
Starting point is 00:27:36 I think both teams were affected, Erling Holland, by the incredible humidity and temperature on the field. It was not necessarily a well-played game by many of the stars. I just think you chalk it up to. Listen, we saw it in the Brazil World Cup, the Brazilian World Cup. There were just moments where teams were playing in the middle of the day or early afternoon
Starting point is 00:27:56 in just outrageous, simmering temperatures, and they didn't play particularly well. Fatigue sets in. So I think England playing poorly and winning comes out. That's the side for me. And I'll be honest, I hear some people online being like, hey, we need to move the World Cup to the winter. in these warm weather locales.
Starting point is 00:28:13 I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't mess with my NFL season. I can't handle NFL and World Cup. Also, these networks buying for it have NFL schedules. So that's just, if you want networks to vie for it, they, and by the way, if I'm a streaming service, and I want to own it, and you want to move it to the football season, that is absolutely going to hurt.
Starting point is 00:28:33 No. Revenues and viewership. If you think if you're Netflix and you can buy it and move it to the football season, a lot of people aren't going to watch just because it's on a streamer. That's a good point, yeah. Now the time zones are screwed up. Remember, the next two World Cups, the time zones aren't as favorable. It's not in America.
Starting point is 00:28:51 So if a streamer goes and buys it, you don't get the time zones. If I have to move it to the football season against the NFL and CBS and Fox and ABC and the SBN and NBC running football, the number's going to get cut in half. Yeah, that's an issue. And it's next in Portugal, Spain. and you know, as you just went there, Spain can be a little warm in June and July. Not terribly humid, but it is.
Starting point is 00:29:15 It's arid, but it's hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, let's move on to the NFL, Colin. Listen, we haven't talked about Aaron Rogers in a while. It's been a glorious month. He's back. Look at him. He's going on social media and now posting that he's hanging out.
Starting point is 00:29:26 A big bro trip. He's calling it the last rodeo, hashtag bonding week, with his wide receivers. And they're not in a darkness retreat. They are somewhere in some mess. Mountains. Michael Pittman Jr., Ben Skoronic, Roman Wilson, Mason Rudolph, D.K. Metcalf, and Pat Friermute, the tight end. That pretty good group of players.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Yeah, it's a honeymoon phase, huh? You remember that well. Honeymoon phase, the early days. Everything's happy and peachy. Oh, Aaron, what a guy. He's so nice. He paid for this whole trip. He's just such a great human. Listen, it's his last year in the league. Let's celebrate the greatness of Aaron Rogers. Let's be positive about this. I'll let you handle that. I'll tackle the negative. I am not looking forward to the Steelers this season.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Final story, Colin, that's the NBA, of course, and LeBron James. You say he's supposed to decide in the next 48 hours. That's fascinating. It's the Cavs, Sixers, and Heat with the Warriors and Draymond Green making a pitch. Here's Draymond on his pitch to LeBron. I'd be remissed if I don't take the opportunity to throw my pitch in there. You know, I'd be crazy if... We're together for X amount of days, and at no point am I like, yo, we need to chop it up.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Like, what the hell is going on? What's what we doing? The things that I shared in it, I believe it definitely is going to make the brain work a little bit. Yeah, he should make the pitch, and I do think there are positives to Cleveland. It's not the basketball part. It's the fact that it's home. There's a positive to the Warriors. He is really close with Draymond Green.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Love Steph Curry, Steve Curry, he respects that. And then there's the positive with Philadelphia, which is it's by far and away the best group of young players that can protect LeBron's age. They're durable. They play defense. I mean, when you get older, right, as a pro athlete, when Tom Brady chose Tampa,
Starting point is 00:31:32 they had young athletic offensive linemen, they had young tight ends. They had, he went and brought. Gronk, but they had Chris Godwin, they had Mike Evans. Brady was very smart. Brady is like, I'm choosing as I age, age equals wisdom. I'm going to choose players to elevate me. Maybe, maybe, you know, I've got some weak spots as I've aged. It was a new conference. It's a new coach. It's like I want to bring in gronk. Gronk helps me with familiarity. I want to bring in a veteran running back. Lenny Fernette helps me with some familiarity, an older player.
Starting point is 00:32:06 So I think when you're an older player and you look at it, you think what are my limitations? LeBron's like, I'm not playing the same defense I used to. M. Beads are rim protector. Jalen Brown defends. Edgecombs a good defender. So I think LeBron looks at that and thinks, oh, that checks on boxes. I really think Golden State's fun and Cleveland's home. I think Philadelphia by a mile.
Starting point is 00:32:28 I don't think he'll choose the Sixers, but I think it's easily the best situation for him. So we've known this for about a month that the only way the warrior is, happens is if Rich Paul can convince Golden State to trade for Anthony Davis and then pay him. That's what's holding this up. Essentially, hey, guys, come on. You want Anthony Davis. You want to pay him. And then you get LeBron.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Now, LeBron, A.D., Draymond, Curry, Porzingis, that's actually not terrible. But without AD, who's the room protector in Golden State? They have no defense. You know? Now, I did see some comments about your Sixers thing. And I don't know how accurate they are, but LeBron don't want to play with Joel and B. because he's always hurt, and you know, he's a little bit of an egomaniac. Would the Sixers move off and bead?
Starting point is 00:33:11 I wish they would. I don't think anybody would take the contract. That's the problem. So I keep falling back on Cleveland. I think it'll be the Cavs. I do like that he's stretching this out, though, Colin. If he wants to wait until next week, that works too. Like, what's the rush, LeBron?
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Starting point is 00:43:25 And I've had Roger Goodell and Rob Manfred. I've had Don Garber. I've had all the commissioners except for the WNBA commissioner. I don't think I've ever had Gary Bettman on. But when I had Adam Silver on, I asked him about the third. three-point shot getting too repetitive. I asked him about load management. I asked him about tanking.
Starting point is 00:43:43 And he was great. And he answered all of them with a smile. And we went back and forth. And that's what being a commissioner is all about. Otherwise, you know, it would be just, I would work for the NBA. But Silver didn't have to come on, Fox. We don't have a contract with him. I mean, that's some other network.
Starting point is 00:44:01 He didn't have to come on this, but he knows I like the NBA. And he never asked what questions I would ask. care. And he was great. He was unbelievable. One of my favorite 20 minutes I've had on the air. I would love to have Adam Silver every year. He's a super smart guy. He's totally monetized the league. So the WNBA has stepped in a lot, and a lot of people, myself included, have been critical. So Dan Patrick, you know Dan Patrick. He had scheduled his staff, good staff. They had scheduled Kathy Engelbert, the commissioner of the WNBA. Now, all of us in this business have people bail on us. lost people, you know, some people get busy, they forget, whatever, or they just don't want to do it.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Commissioners should not bail on scheduled interviews. I mean, that part of being a commissioner is being responsible and taking tough questions. So Kathy Engelbert, the Dan Patrick staff booked her, and she bailed. And apparently, I didn't see it, but it was, you know, 100 yards off just playing golf. That would add to it. So Dan Patrick went on the air, and he was very upset about it. We're just trying to be a journalist here. That's all. We're just trying to ask questions. But don't say yes. And then all of a sudden, somebody probably said, in my opinion, oh, maybe we shouldn't do this. Well, at some point, you have to do this. This is an important league. There's expansion. There's conversation. It's been agendaized. Everybody has something to say about it. Now you have a chance to answer these questions. I think that is a totally reasonable response.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Dan's been doing this for 100 years. He does a great job. He's a total pro. He was upset and voiced it. When you're doing a three-hour radio show live, we don't have a copy editor in this business. We don't have tape editors. You go on the air live.
Starting point is 00:45:52 If you emote because you're upset, I want to hear about it. That's good broadcasting to me. He has every right to have that opinion. And he has a very good staff and guys been around forever. And commissioners don't bail on interviews. I just don't do it. So it's interesting because I was watching the WNBA yesterday.
Starting point is 00:46:08 And I thought about this yesterday. And I watched a WNBA game. And I got to tell you, the product, it was in Dallas. Very good TV, very good energy. And here's the thing. And I was thinking, you know, why is the WNBA just keep stepping in it? I can keep bashing them. But why?
Starting point is 00:46:24 And I came to the conclusion that there's all these leagues. They all have owners. They all have commissioners. They're all covered by the media. Since Caitlin Clark has arrived, the WNBA is. exploded. They're now flying private. They've introduced three new teams. The Golden State Valkyries have a billion dollar valuation. They're drawn like 20,000 a night. The Portland Fire, Home Run, Toronto Tempo, Home Run. You got three new franchises. That takes a lot of work.
Starting point is 00:47:01 You have a superstar in the league. That takes a lot of work. The other night, Toronto played Monterey. We all had like 20,000 people at the game. You got posters now that even create controversy. You have exploding revenue, exploding attendance, massive star power in Caitlin Clark, very strong growth. And I think all of it is, it's a little too much for them to handle. It's like any business listening, anybody listening to me that owns a business is that part of the problem of hyper growth as a business, any business is just getting your business. damn arms around it. And they have stepped in it so many times and they beat hockey now, the NHL and ratings. Caitlin Clark is as well known as almost any hockey star. Maybe that's not
Starting point is 00:47:47 even argue. Maybe it's by a lot. She sells merchandise. She moves TV ratings. There's nobody in hockey doing that. And hockey's a legit sport, like it's one of the big four. So you've got bigger arenas, bigger attendance, bigger revenue, different travel, superstar, massive media criticism. They can't get their arms around it. Like, you've got, And if Gordon Ramsey opens a restaurant in London and it tanks, it makes the newspapers. It's talked about. If your buddy Joe opens a restaurant west side of Chicago and it tanks, nobody cares. That's the downside of popularity.
Starting point is 00:48:19 It is a privilege to be criticized. It is a privilege to deal with pressure. And I'm just thinking about it this weekend. I'm like, God, they keep stepping in it. It's not like they're a bunch of dummies. I think they have such hyper growth. They can't get their arms around it. It is surging.
Starting point is 00:48:36 It would be like if a Caitlin Clark level hockey star was introduced and literally tripled the ratings for the league and you opened up three new, very successful franchises over a one, two-year period, you change the way you travel. You're now talked about regularly. We don't talk NHL much. You're now talked about regularly. And you got executives, you know, trying to put a fence around it and a commissioner trying to put a fence around it. and I think they've grown so fast, it is like any business that is surging quickly over a two-year period.
Starting point is 00:49:11 And, you know, I'd love to have any commissioner on. If Betman called tomorrow and had something, I'd ask him questions about hockey. But, you know, it is almost, and I'm not defending the WNBA here, or Kathy Engelberg, it's almost a predictable outcome. It's like somebody is listening to my, show right now, man, woman, they're watching me, they're listening, and they own a business.
Starting point is 00:49:38 And the business is going really well. And it's surging. And somebody told me years ago when I started the volume, they said, you want to know what ownership and management really is, putting out small fires so they don't become infernos? Because every day with a new business, especially if it's growing quickly, every day there's a fire. You don't want the campfire to spread to the tents and the trees 15 feet away. And they just haven't done a very good job to put out their fires. So people want success. They're not always prepared for the success they get.
Starting point is 00:50:15 And I'm not defending anybody, but they have stepped in it so many times. This is just another example of they got a little bit paranoid. I said this a couple weeks ago. The league's a little paranoid. It's a little insular. The quality of the play is good. Paige Becker star, Caitlin star. They've got Asia Wilson's, and they're Michael Jordan, an unbelievable talent.
Starting point is 00:50:34 I'm sitting there watching that game yesterday, and I was just going around the television. There was no World Cup games. Couldn't find a good baseball game. So I'm going around the TV. And the WNBA game was excellent. Like, it was in Dallas. They looked like they had 13, 14, 15,000 people. There was great energy jumped off the TV.
Starting point is 00:50:51 And I was like, oh, this is good TV. And I was doing stuff on the computer. So I wasn't paying full attention to it. there was a summer league game and the WNBA game had more energy. I was like, this is kind of interesting. So something else that I, that, well, okay, I'll just, I'm going to save this for the top of the hour. There's been a lot of different stuff happening this weekend. It was so funny.
Starting point is 00:51:15 One of the things, you know how like when the Patriots were winning and Belichick was grumpy? And when Alabama would win a national title and the next day Sabin was grumpy. and the spurs were dominating, but Popovich was grumpy. That's called standards. Can I just play the one bite? This is the England manager after winning a World Cup game in 107 degree heat over Norway. The commitment is there, but we made life very, very difficult for us in the way we played, how we played. Slopping, a lot of technical mistakes, not fast enough.
Starting point is 00:51:54 not repetitive enough. We were lucky today. There's no mentality problem. This is pure mentality. This is pure mentality. You can bottle it up and sell it. Absolutely. Yeah, so why is the problem for mentality?
Starting point is 00:52:07 It's the quality of our games. That's it. Now, my take is the interviewer didn't ask him about the heat. To me, the heat was a huge issue. England and Norway do not play in that level of heat and that intensity and that state. So I think it got sloppy. But I love the fact. It's called standards.
Starting point is 00:52:31 That's Belichick after winning like an AFC championship. He'd go on and be like, you know, we're just lucky we won. And, you know, he was like, I mean, how many times did Belichick do that? My God, he must have done it 100 times during the dynasty complain after a huge win. And Saban. Sabin won in a national championship. People would compliment Alabama. And he'd be like, that's rat poison.
Starting point is 00:52:54 compliment or rat poison. I tell my guys, don't drink rat poison. You're like, you just want a natty. It's one of your second in three years, Nick. Belichick's famous for saying no days off after winning a Super Bowl. So just to watch the British manager go out and he was just totally disgusted by the performance, I'm like, they got their Sabin. They got their Popovich.
Starting point is 00:53:18 That's Dan Hurley at Yukon after getting into the final four. You're like, that's what coaching is. Standards. Sean Payton-N-Ois says the best time to coach is when you win but play poorly. He goes, man, I can really beat on the team after that. That's a great week of coaching. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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