The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Micah Parson's contract dispute is a big nothing burger, Shedeur Sanders tonight, Mark Dominik

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin with the latest on Micah Parsons’ contract hold out and why we know exactly how this story will end He explains why Shedeur Sanders is not being set up to fell for his first start of preseason The BIG 12 got it right by not have a preseason poll Doug talks to former Buccs GM Mark Dominik about Shedeur Sanders debut tonight, how Anthony Richardson's latest injury will affect him, and more   #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Doug Gottlie, filling in for Colin Cowherd. And for the next couple of hours, I want to talk sports with you. It's a Friday And I don't know how to say this so I get excited It's a football Friday We had NFL teams

With Joe Burrough starting a quarterback For the Cincinnati Bengals Last night, right? We had NFL teams playing NFL preseason games And actually playing some of their guys Last night, we'll have some of that tonight So, and by the end of the weekend,

every team will have had a preseason game And we can make all of our predictions and assessments based upon, heck, we don't really know, right? One's playing against fours and whatever, and while either Crown Shador Sanders, the starter and franchise quarterback with the Cleveland Browns, or we're going to say he's a bum and he stinks by the end of the weekend,

and it may not actually matter to how he plays. That's preseason football. That's football. Mark Dominic, who's the former general manager of the Tampa Buccaneers, he'll join us upcoming in 15 minutes. this is a weird way of presenting this story, but I do think it's the only way of presenting this story is, and I understand it's a contradictory way of talking about it,

but it's the way in which I do feel like we should all talk about it, which is I don't care about Michael Parsons. Not that I don't care about him as a person. My care about him as a person is fairly limited. let's just got to be honest. We're not friends. It doesn't mean we're enemies, but I don't actually care. He's a great football player.

Seems to be a bright enough guy. And who am I as a head basketball coach in Division I and also a radio show host on the Doug Godgobloom show on Fox Sports Radio? Who am I to be critical of him having a podcast, but I don't think the podcast is the best idea for him, mostly because at his age he still has what I would call. It's not that his opinions aren't developed, but partly they're not really developed.

Also, it just doesn't have, like, when you're in your mid-20s, there's a lot you don't know, especially when you grew up. It's not like you grew up stat nerd studying every other sport and every other thing. So when he's talking about football, he knows a lot. When he's talking about other stuff, you know, I know very much. and all he knows is during his lifespan, right?

Which may be interesting to you, but there are so many pitfalls in talking about your team and talking about the Cowboys, especially when you're going through struggles, it may not be that smart. But this is not like a personal shot at Michael Parsons. I don't care a ton because he's going to be a cowboy. There's this, we do this thing, we do this dance,

not just with the Cowboys. We do this dance every year, we're like, wow, you know, he could be a free agent at the end of the year. Huh? Did we not review how the contracts, the rookie contracts, are structured in the NFL? And as a high first-round pick, this is year five, where the year five option is a big payday, again, in comparison to the rest of the contract. And though there doesn't appear to be any contract beyond this year, the fact is that all

the Cowboys have to do is slap on the franchise tag, which they will do if there's no contract agreed to at the end of the year. And he has basically one choice. That's the play for the act, two choices. Negotiate a long-term extension with the Cowboys or play for the Cowboys as a franchise taggie, which is a big number, but it doesn't have long-term benefits for either side. And they're like, well, what would be the long-term benefits for a football team be? Well, it it gives them cost certainty and it also helps them with the luxury tax where with the salary cap where they can't manipulate it and do some signing bonus and push them away and that's the benefit so it is it's mutually beneficial it's mutually punitive but the one

thing I can tell you is that if the Cowboys choose to not negotiate at all with Micah For the next three seasons, he's a Dallas Cowboy after this year. You're like, what? Yeah. And most football fans are sitting there going like, I know this, Scott Leap. I tuned in to hear Cowherd. Cowherd's not there. He's in Chicago or Rhode Island or parts unknown that he will probably tweet about later on today.

And, oh, yeah, by the way, you're telling me something I already knew. But again, you have to reiterate it. He is under contract, and he's not a free agent at the end of the year. The Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent. There's no reason for them to want him to be a free agent. And then you factor in, it's the Dallas Cowboys. It's Cowboys. And it's, it's, did you guys ever get caught up in the law and order?

And some people did a special victims unit. Everybody had a law and order. What I loved about the Law and Orders was that, It's just kind of self-contained. There's no ongoing storyline for the most part. What I disliked about the law and orders at some point you kind of know who it is, and they do come up with new and clever ways in which to point out the who actually done it. You know, the storylines are kind of the, I'm based upon a true story,

but it ends up coming to be where you're like, yeah, you figure it out about three-quarters the way in. how many years have we done this? Just last year, Dak Prescott, C.D. Lamb. Zach Martin. I mean, you can go to Zeke Elliott in that year. And then, you know, Zeke, who?

This is, it's like classic Dallas Cowboys playbook. And Jerry always gives in, Jerry's going to pay him a bunch of money. Jerry thinks they had a deal done. My guess is that they had a deal done, and then the agent, David Mugeta, is like, wait, you did a deal without me? Uh-uh.

And so he wants, you know, more money is some sort of punishment. They're like, we agreed to a term. We're good. It eventually gets done. He's not even holding out, nor is he going to hold out, because he doesn't want to get fined, and he doesn't want to lose this payday or this year. He's not sitting at it, he's not threatening to sit out.

He simply's like, I want to be traded. Sure. Now, could the Cowboys trade him? Yeah. I mean, you could sit there and go, hey, We're not particularly good with or without him, so why not trade him for two first-round picks and then be done with it and move on? They could do that.

I just don't think they will. They drafted Michael Parsons. They like Michael Parsons. He works there. He's been, you know, last year was a different defensive system than previously, and it took some adjustment, and they're not great. But he's going to be a cowboy. And the only reason he wouldn't be a cowboy is if the Cowboys decided he doesn't need to be a cowboy anymore.

And they're clearly not at that point. otherwise they wouldn't have negotiated a deal. So I have talked for seven minutes and three seconds on a topic that you do feel compelled to circle back to, Dallas Cowboys, Micah Parsons, Star Player, and the hold-in. And the story I'm going to tell you, or my perception of it is he's going to be a cowboy. He's going to sign a long-term extension. And I feel like we keep getting roped into the same story. storyline year after year, time after time.

It's tiresome made even worse by the fact that we get this fake, oh, he's a free agent at the end of the year when he's not. A free agent means you're free. It means your contracts up, go to you want. And he will not be a free agent. He could be, you've got him restricted free agent, right? Or he's under club control until otherwise it's not a free agent. agent.

That deal. And just so you know, I don't know many people know this. Media deals are much the same. Most media deals, when you sign on with a media company, even though your contract is up, they do have right of first refusal.

They can match anything, and they can keep you under contract at that price. If you go somewhere else. Really? Unless they release you and allow you out of it. And a lot of people, a lot of people I know in the business world have that. You know, non-compete clauses and whatever.

But for football, this is not like the NBA, where your contract is up and you're done. There's no, it's not a player option. It's not a team option. I guess you could call it a team option and team option at franchise tag, but then you can still negotiate a long-term deal during any one of those years. But don't get it twisted. You have a tremendous player who's still not in his prime,

who's under contract this year, and realistically under contract for the next three years after this year. if the Cowboys don't want to negotiate at all. He's not holding out. He's in. He's doing the, I got a back injury, so he doesn't get fined. They came to some sort of agreement that then the agent lost his mind because he wasn't involved in the negotiation. Rightfully so.

And by the end of, I don't know, next two weeks, Michael Parsons will be playing for the Cowboys. It's not a nothing burger, but I've seen this movie. I know how it ends. seeing this movie I know how it ends here's Jerry Jones this week on the Parsons negotiations I think the world of Micah

like I've said I've had a lot of us had social time with Micah which isn't always the case but I have he's one of the brightest people I've ever been around and he's very very talented now

how we ultimately mel him in with our future is a challenge and I'm built for it and he's built for him. We have continual contract negotiations going on. I know you have Mike at front of mine, but we're continually working on contracts, and all clubs are.

And so I don't necessarily put a big red letter beside any time that we've completed contract negotiations, but I'm appreciative when we do. But it's really business as usual. So if it's business as usual, What are we actually doing? Why isn't this done? Coming up next in The Hurt, I'm Doug Gottlie-Bullion for Colin.

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But part of that is why I know the Big 12 got it right. We'll discuss that here before the hour is up. In the meantime, let's welcome in a good friend, the guy who you can hear weekly on my program on the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Dominic joins us. He's the former general manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. Really, his entire professional life has been in professional football

scouting moving his way up to being general manager. Mark, you and I have discussed this a lot, and we can get into the machinations of it, the agent and what went wrong in the handshake deal. but my first thought when any time somebody asking about Michael Parsons is I've seen this movie

I know how it ends he's under contract not just this year but they can franchise in the next three years he wants to be there forget about asking to be traded he wouldn't be doing the hold in thing

if he didn't want to be there so I feel like we're extending a lot of energy on something which ultimately is going to get worked out is that a logical way looking at it? Yeah, Doug, I think you're right, and thanks for having me on. It's certainly one of those ones where you look at the contract and the way it's going to come together, over $40 million.

It's posturing right now from both sides, but the cowboys desperately need Micah Parsons. I don't think the trade's happening either. I think that there's just some frustration that's boiled into it, but Jerry Jones desperately wants to get onto the stage and hold the Lombardi Trophy one more time in his lifetime. And if you move Michael Parsons away from that football team, I think you're delaying that for at least another year,

or maybe longer, it's the Cowboys. Sorry, Cowboy fans. But, you know, I think it's too critical, and this is too critical over the year, and I think they feel like they can compete against the Eagles and the commanders. And because of that, I think this deal does get done. It's just, it might take another week or two. Are the Cowboys any good?

See, I think they are. I actually think that they're, They're good. They just, you know, what happened last night with Slater, like, they can't afford those kind of things to hit them. But I think their offensive line is a little bit better than I think people realize. And I think that they're going to be a good running football team. But they've got the combination of just about everything on the offensively, you know,

hopefully, you know, Trayvon Biggs can get himself back on the football field. They missed him dearly last year. We'll see what he can look like once he's back. But I think the Cowboys are better, you know, overshone is a guy that should be back this year. and they missed him as well. So I think they're hidden pieces here on that Cowboys team that put them as a competitive team. And I think they are competitive. Can they overtake the Eagles?

Maybe not, but can they find magic? Yeah, they can. They can find a game and go beat just about any of the NFL when they're playing right. You mentioned Slater, Rashan Slater, he signs a big contract with the L.A. Chargers, and then he tears his Patel attendant. They do have Joe Alt, right? They were supposed to be bookends. is going to be the Chargers, and how much does that hurt the Chargers offensively this year?

That's just devastating, right? I mean, you knew what Coach Harbaugh wanted to do. That's why they took Hampton in the first round to run the ball. They signed Nigia Harris. They want to run the ball. And to lose a guy like Slater, just as good as he is, as a past protector, he's still a very talented run player too. And it's just, it's a blow.

it's crushing in the office there today. You know, as you can imagine, any Charger fan feels it. Yes, do they have experienced guys behind them? Sure, Trey Pipkins, because has played and been there before, Jamari Sawyer, has played there and been on the starting line before. But the reality is it's a big blow, and it's something that they're going to have to deal with all season long. There's nothing you can do about it.

But when you lose your premier left tackle in the NFL, that hurts and it has ripple effects. It takes me to the point where I thought that they could take. over this division this year and win it from the Kansas Chiefs for the first time and forever that they'd win the West to saying, I don't feel that way anymore. I think it's that significant of an injury where I think they're still going to be really good and they're still going to be competitive. But I just think when you lose a premier player at any position, that's going to cost you a game or two, and that's all the difference is between them in Kansas City. Mark Dominic joining us here, former gentleman of the Tampa Buccaneers. I'm Doug Gottlieb, Benfer Colin. This is the Hurd,

Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app. It's funny you bring that up because we had had this conversation, I think on my show this week, last week, I don't know, the week's run together here in the summer. And you were the first person I thought. I was like, I ask everybody, like, is this the year? And Colin came out, I think it was yesterday or the day before, where he's like, this is the year, Chief's Dynasty, ending. I was like, that sounds great, but then the Chargers lose their star left tackle.

Like, the Raiders better, but they did some smart things, but yeah, I don't see them being, you It's like you kind of start to go through it. You're like, all right, the Broncos didn't play anybody last year. Let's see. It's going to be fascinating. Anthony Richardson. So he gets hurt last night, but he got hurt because he misread a blitz and didn't see the hot routes on his right side instead, just doesn't see the field. At what point of the Colts just chalk it up to an L and say, let's move on?

it's hard right uh chris ballard's been the GM there for many years and i think the Colts have had a new starter every year since he's been the general manager that's a really really hard position to be in and with richardson you know it's easy to you know have the hindsight but we all talked about it when the draft was coming around here's a guy that's you know played a little bit at florida's had inconsistencies while he's there he's had injury history that continues to mount uh you know it's and then they want to do everything they can they were i think they were desperately hopeful to say let's get Richardson on the field week one, be the starter, and if you fails, we'll go to Daniel. Well, you know, now the ball's in Daniel's hands, and we get to see what he can do with it.

Because, you know, when you lose your pinky finger, there's a lot of touch on that, you know. I remember talking to the Hasselbecks, the brothers, and talking about which fingers, one of the ones, if you had to lose one of your fingers, which one would it be? You know, that pinky has a lot of last touch of the ball for a lot of these quarterbacks. You can try to hold it off the ball, but if you're already inaccurate and you don't have all five fingers working, guess what? It's getting worse. and so I just think that this is

this is the blow for Richardson. I think they want to still give him a shot, but the reality is Daniel Jones is going to be out there, and that's not good news for the Alex Pierce's of the world. He likes to throw more balls underneath and to the tight ends and to the backs, and so it's going to have a ripple effect, I think, for this Colts team too,

and it's disappointing to see it happen, but to be surprised, I think, would be wrong. Yeah, I saw him play last year against the Packers, and, you know, Malik Willis was starting for the Packers, and he was the far better quarterback than the answer. He just wasn't close. There was like one or two throws.

You're like, well, that's a good throw. And then the rest of them were just, nothing was right, and he just didn't look comfortable at all. Mark Dominic's our guest here. I'm Doug Gottliebind for Collins to heard on Fox Sports Radio and the IHeart Radio app. Terry McLaurin, is something. one's a little different, right? Because it's not his

second contract coming out of his rookie contract with the commanders. Different ownership group. On the other hand, Jay McDaniels kind of took the league by storm last year, and Cliff Kingsbury had a really nice transition back to being an offensive coordinator. It would seem like

your most vaunted and veteran-wide receiver would be a guy you want to hold on to. On the other hand, he's asking for crazy money. He's starting to get up there age, there's a limit there. How does that contract holdout end? Yeah, this is tough, right? He's 29 years old. He's, you know, got his contract right now. He's entering his last year of the contract, which is, you know, why you want to try to renegotiate. You see what happens around the NFL. A space salary is around $15 million, which is, you know, significantly lower than where the market

is at wide receiver right now. I think there's two different ways. You could tack on two years and try to move this thing more into the mid-20s, which is where I think Terry wants to be. Godwin, I think, signed for $20 million a year. I think it's, you know, you're trying to get north of that, I think, under the extension. Or you incentivize this pretty strongly. You put out some, you know, potential earnings of catches or touchdowns

or something that's not likely to be earned, where he could still earn it and, you know, certainly get his salary higher and then, you know, sell him the fact that you're unrestricted free agent next year. Like, you can go anywhere you want. I think those are the things. you're trying to sell. I think the two-year extensions the way I look at it because he's such a great kid. Like he's an unbelievable teammate and a worker that you want him around the program.

It's the Sequin-Barkley mentality. You don't want to see him somewhere else having success because you know how much you love him as a person. So I think it's a two-year extension. I think you try to do something about kind of what they did the last time. It was like three years for $70 million. I think it's in that rain, but you've got to probably put him to $22 to $25 million per year. You know, I saw this deal earlier this week with Kyraud Williams signing a three-year, it's really a $23 million deal. And I thought of a discussion we've had the last couple years, which is I get that Sequan was great, and Philadelphia tore up his deal and gave him more years. I get that Derek Henry has had a good year last year with Baltimore. And obviously, Josh Jacobs, I don't know if the Raiders would have let him walk if they knew he was going to be that good,

that effective and be able to play that many snaps. That said, what has really changed on the running back market? It's still a two-year deal, which is kind of, they were fighting for three-year guaranteed contracts. They were fighting for more money, and this really is right with like seventh highest paid running back. It doesn't feel like there's that much change and that the Sequin thing is an outlier thing. Do you see a change in the running back market? Yeah, I think this is a mistake.

I think it's an agent who was wanting to get a guy signed, probably getting pressure from the kid. The young man, he's a really talented running back. And I think if he plays this thing out, it's easy to sit there and say this on the phone. Or, you know, you're like, yeah, just played out. You know, what's $20 something million? Okay, wait a second. What if something goes wrong? But at the same point, this deal to me by Drew Rosenhouse set the market back again for running backs.

It's a bad deal. It's a deal that looks like it's the Rams that, hey, look, we'll do something, but it's going to be what we want, not what you need, or what you should get, what your value really should be. And so I think it's a, I never blame a kid. I understand, like, you know, this real money to their, you know, can really impact them, especially if they use it correctly and invest it and think long term with some of the stuff. But in terms of the running back market, I think this hurt.

It hurt James Cook. It hurt, you know, just about everybody because it's, yeah, it's a two-year deal. But he was going to already going to be there this year, or it's two years guaranteed, but that doesn't really matter. You're already going to have him there this year, and you're going to have him there next year, you know? So where the goal was to be there. So to me, it's just one of those deals where it hurt the market,

but I don't know who pushed it further. I don't know if the agent was like, I want to get this guy signed because I want to get paid, or if it was the player going, I've got to get paid because I'm scared I'm going to have something go wrong. Either way, it wasn't good for running backs, even though the players are really talented player. Mark Dominic's our guest here in the herd on Fox Sports Radio.

There have been some that have said, that Shador Sanders is being set up to fail because he's had limited reps with the ones and he's going to get to start for the Browns. Now, should be pointed out that most of the starters, I don't think any of the starters are actually playing, so it's the twos and threes, but because of injury, he's been elevated,

he's going to get an opportunity. You've sat in that seat as a general manager in the NFL with young quarterbacks that have been drafted. Do you believe he's being set up to fail? No one. such a guy up to fail. Internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever going to do is like,

I can't wait to get this guy out there so he falls on his face. Like, no one thinks that way, especially with the draftic. And I know it's Shadur Sanders and people are like, oh, this is, you know, look, they already drafted a quarterback and they traded up to make sure they got the next quarterback.

They want him to be successful desperately. The problem is what you said, that there's been a lot of injuries and he's found a way to get healthier, faster than all the other guys. And, you know, there's a great opportunity. You know, it doesn't, you know, there's no way,

Anyone in Cleveland, and that organization's like, let's put Shadur out there so he looks terrible when he fails. No one's thinking that in that organization. So it's silly to write it that way or even to consider it. I think that how they play them, how they use them will see to be determined. You know, it's the offensive line that's in front of them. That's the most concerning thing. But there's still going to be an opportunity that Shadur has to say, hey, look, I can play at this level and I can rise the level of guys that might not be first stringers. And we can go out there and be productive.

It'll be great to watch, but he's not getting set up to fail. He's getting set up to go have an opportunity. Caleb Williams seems to have struggled some in the new offense. J.J. McCarthy is, you know, he's second year, but really just a rookie, struggling a little bit in Minnesota. How long before you know? Like, let's just go with JJ. Like, how long before you know you're like, this is not going to work?

Yeah, so it's a great story I can share with you real quick, Doug, is that I was Fortunately, back in the day, when I first came in the league with the Kansas City Chiefs, and then I went down to Tampa for once in 1995. Trent Dilfer was our quarterback, so he'd already played the 94 season. He was in the second season. He just finished the second season. It was going into 96, and I met the NFL Combine. Back then, you had to sometimes take a bus to certain things.

Well, young Mark Dominic back then at 24 years old happened to get to sit next to Bill Walsh, which was just goosebumps, right? You're like, that's Bill Walsh, and I'm sitting there. next to him on a, so I was like, I have his book, I'm just going to ask him a question. So I asked him that exact question, Doug, how long until you know? He said it takes a season and a half. And after a season and a half, if he can't do it, he's not doing it. That's what Bill Walsh thought.

And, you know, I thought there was thinking about Trent Delfur, can he really do it? And I'm happy for Trent and that he went to Baltimore and found a way to win a Super Bowl. But Bill Walsh says, you've got a season and a half. And if you can't do it by that point, it's just not going to happen. I still believe that. And I think if you look around the league, it holds pretty true that most guys get it figured out or they don't. I love that.

You basically sat next to God himself in terms of offensive football, right? The football got himself. Exactly right. You're like, maybe he's not God, but he's got a direct line because that dude, you know, that's awesome, which brings me, actually, that, it's great because it links up the Arch Manning story from yesterday, right, where Archie Manning came out and said, hey, look, my grandson's going to be at Texas, not just this year, but next year. and you know I know people want to make it about the NIL that kids are receiving and I do think there's a lot of smarter decisions where guys stay in school longer.

There's some good to the NIL thing. There's some downside to it as well, which we can get to it a different time. But I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think it has to do with his uncles are both Hall of Famers and they both stayed because you need a volume of reps. And if you look at Michael Pinnock's, if you look at, I mean, The kid in Denver is the perfect example. He wasn't very good at Auburn, but he got so many reps and got to Oregon, and he was the best quarterback on Earth at Oregon.

This feels like Archie Manning saying, like, we've done this before. We know how it works. It's way more important. You get a volume of live reps than it is because you only get that year and a half when you get to the NFL, right? Yeah. No, I think they're absolutely spot on. And, you know, I think whether NIL was there or not,

I think to be able to be a two-year start in college is tremendous. tremendously important. And, you know, because the transition for the next level is astronomical. And so I think that the spot on the benefit is that NIL exists and it makes this decision even easier, even though I think they would have done it the same way because they have seen this book and they've played it and they've talked to people and they understand the difficulty of this, as that family of anybody, understand the difficulty of this position. And so, you know, I think it's the right move. I think he's being absolutely spot on. And, you know, thankfully, NIL is going and make it a lot easier for him to stay for another season

and hopefully really build off of what he learns this year. Mark, great stuff, man. Thanks for joining us. Enjoy the football this weekend, and we will talk to you next week on the Doug Outleep show. Thanks, Doug. You're the best, buddy. All right, that's Mark Dominic, former gentlemanager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

He sat, that's like you sit next time. I was in Israel coaching a team, and David Blatt, I see like David Blatt up very tall. And I know David Blatt, some people on. think great coach because it didn't work out with LeBron and Cleveland. But in Israel, as a coach Maccabi Tel Aviv, his national team coach, again, that's like sitting next to a godlike figure and just listening to him talk. Last year with my job now at Green Bay, I get a chance to spend two days with Dick Bennett.

And you're listening to you're like, whatever you say, that's what I should do because you've done it for 40 years. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Hello, Ryan. Oh, Doug, great to be with you today. Let's kick things off, picking up where you and Mark Dominic just left off.

That's some NFL football. And earlier this week, video of Caleb Williams at Training Camp made the rounds, showed Williams and Bears quarterbacks participating in a throwing drill with a net. And, well, Williams pretty much missing the target each time. Here was a reporter asking Williams about that viral video. All right, so there's this video. It's hilarious. Some natural places, I think,

they blew it up. It is what it is. It's a competition between us and the guys, and so how fast you can get it out, how accurate you can get it out. And, you know, they just so happen to blow that one up and not any other one. So what are you making of Bears and Williams overall?

Haven't necessarily received the most positive reports out of training camp for these Chicago Bears under new head coach Ben Johnson, despite a lot of the sky high expectations for the pairing? Two different parts. First, in regards to the drill,

again, none of us know, and I thought Caleb's saying, hey, it's about how quick you get rid of it too, right? Well, you're not jacking around, but it's not like you're back there trying to be precise and getting your drops and then throwing it. Is it troubling? Maybe a little bit,

but again, there's no context provided to it. Was he missing everything all day? Right. Now, what am I? So, if you come to my gym and you watch a one specific drill, you may think my best player, like, well, you're not very good at that. And that should be a basic skill for a quarterback. But again, you don't know.

Like, am I doing number made threes or am I doing how many? Just get them up. Just get them up. Just catch it. Don't even look. Just rip. get them up as quickly as you can, see how accurate you are there. Totally. So on those two points real quick to provide the larger context.

So part of what he's pointed out is that that was just one drill at one time. Apparently the reports are from other people who are at the training camp is that there were other times where he went like three for three and hit the target perfectly every time. And he also went on to expand and say that that drill specifically with getting it out quick is because you're supposed to be practicing as if you're running a screenplay. so it's just about snap, get the ball to the playmaker, and go. So there you go. Anyway, now, what do I think of the Bears?

Yeah, I mean, I've heard the same stuff, but nothing means anything to we see him play on Sundays. All right. Don't care. We'll wrap up with this. Just don't care. Madden ratings are out. A bit of a surprise.

Patrick Mahomes came in fourth among quarterbacks behind Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow. Mahomes, who said he's a fan and plays the legendary video game, was asked about the rankings. I would like to be rated higher, but I got to play and showcase that stuff on the football field. So if I believe I go out there

and play the football that I want to play, that we can get to 99 pretty quickly. Feels like we got a bit of Mahomes fatigue happening, right? Like, we all know. Has to me. Here's what I'd like, here's I'd like anybody who actually takes those ratings

to mean something. Just go like, okay, we clear the deck, you can draft anybody in the NFL. Is anyone taking a quarterback at him, Pat Mohams? I don't see how you do And I love Josh Allen And I love Joe Burrow

And Lamar Jackson's incredible But I don't see how If you're just given the number one overall pick Nothing attached to it whatsoever Just who do you want? I don't see how He's been a starter for seven seasons Is that right?

Is it seven that he's been a start for early? Somebody use that Google machine Think seven seasons And he has reached the championship game Yeah seven seasons As a full-time starter correct Yeah he has reached the

AFC championship game every year. Yeah. So somehow Madden ratings have become relevant to people. I just, we've reached the point to where, and look, I love Madden. I've been doing this job in sports radio nationally. I remember my first year's 2003, I was with ESPN. And I used to play Madden because it would help me remember. which player

moved to which team like play every team in play every team at least once and you know everybody's name it's a great way and I was just married no kids you know my wife worked afternoons I worked at night so I'd get up in the morning

she'd be gone like midday and I'd just throw on madden whatever so this is not me telling you I'm not a gamer I don't love Madden but when do we take Madden ratings or 2K ratings to mean anything And that's right, music with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Doug Gottlieb show All right That's YouTube.com com slash at Doug Gottlieb show and you can check out our show really that simple there you go got it good good um brett yormark is the commissioner of the big 12 um and here's a guy that uh he's pretty impressive dude a former his brothers a twin brothers a high powered agent uh he's probably basically ran the brooklyn nets previous to this and he's tried a lot of things and I think there's one thing that some people have pushed back on that is absolutely brilliant and I'm not really sure if people understand why. This was your mark back at Big 12 Media Days

on why they decided not to release a preseason poll. I think it disadvantaged Arizona State last year. They were picked 16th, and I think that hurt them. I think there's no value. And I also feel that with the transfer portal and with roster management and what goes on, you know, as you build that roster. No one knows what they really have.

They know what they have on paper, but it hasn't played out. And that was the case with Arizona State last year. So I don't know if it's a trend or not, but certainly it's the right thing for the Big 12, and I'm glad we did it. The second part, I could not echo more. The first part, yeah, okay. Maybe, maybe you're right. Maybe it held them back.

I don't really know. But the bigger part is the second part, which is nobody actually knows. You know, I've been on my job for as a head coach at Green Bay for 13 months. You know, we knew the deck was stacked against us last year. We also didn't know that the nation's leading score would break his ankle 10 games in. Like, I didn't know that. But, you know, Robert Morris won our league, won our league tournament. year before they were next to last.

And even early this season, it took them a while to kind of come together. They became a really, really good team. But it wasn't, you know, they got a laid out of the portal. Samari Dickerson, who transferred to USC. And the only reason they got him was there was the coaching change at Carlton to Charleston. He was going to Charleston. Then he became available. Then they happened and got him.

And he just kind of fit what they did. The point is, you know, if you go back and listen to the podcast of my show, we had Mike Lombardi on. Mike Lombardi, of course, he's been. a general manager in the NFL. He's been in front offices for years. He's written numerous books. And of course, he's a broadcast with Veson and before that, the NFL network

and Fox as well. And Michael and Barney's like, we have 70 new guys. We don't really know what we have. You know, my own mother, Oklahoma State. They think they're going to be better, but they have 65 new players. Fifteen padded practices, and then they go and play. And again, granted, and I know we do this

stupid thing as broadcasters. We're like, wow, why are you playing you know, Southwest, Northwestern, whatever, when you're a powerful school. Because you don't know what you have. And even when you practice, oftentimes, you don't know until there's live bullets. So a preseason poll,

anybody who tells you they know, they're lying because nobody know. Ask all the coaches. How good are you? Like, I think we're better. But I don't know what everybody else is. It's not just you don't know what you have. It's you don't know what everybody else has.

and Indiana is the perfect example. Do I think Indiana was great last year? No. But did you know they spent $20 million in their roster? I didn't. And then it all just kind of came together and their schedule was soft and they took advantage of things

and had some great wins. Like all those things were amazing. So when you have, you know, most of these teams have at least half of their roster. Brand new. And some of them have a strong portion of them that came in

after the spring game. And we're doing away with some spring games. So they've never played together. They've never played for you. Some of them didn't play where they were previously. They just talented guys that you think can be good. And you're going to make predictions for a team and a conference and a country?

Like, yeah, it doesn't work. I actually think your mark nailed that especially the second part of his remarks. Nobody knows what they have. And anybody who tells you they know lying, because they may like what they have, but you don't, there's no context to it. You don't know the level of competition. You're like, well, we spent about this, they spent about that, they should have more, but who knows,

you know, there's, it's not a hundred percent hit rate. It just isn't. Just isn't. So what the Big 12 did for me is groundbreaking. I know it doesn't feel good. We all love predictions, but the fact is you're predicting about something you have zero clue actually about. Zero. We'll ask Josh Paid about it. Of course, he's a college football insider of the Josh Paid college football show. He joins us next hour. I'm sure he's got predictions and things he knows, but the reality is nobody really knows. Although, you know, I think people want to see Caleb DeBore year two, what that looks like.

What's it look like for Penn State? This should be a year where James Franklin can he actually beat a ranked team. So we got Josh Bate next hour. Coming up next. The Big Day is finally here. Shador Sanders will make. his debut as a Cleveland Brown as the starting quarterback. Will he be legendary?

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