The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Michigan fires their head coach after shocking news surfaces, Rich Paul may have been right about the Lakers

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

Colin Cowherd breaks down the stunning fallout from Michigan football firing head coach Sherrone Moore after reports of an inappropriate relationship with a staff member. Colin explains what this means for the Wolverines future, recruiting, and who they should target as a replacement. Plus, the Lakers loss to the Spurs raised major red flags. Colin reveals why Los Angeles was exposed and whether the Lakers championship hopes are slipping awaySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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An hour from now, Greg Kosell in the house. Bruce Feldman's going to check in with us as well. A very active, very troubling, dark day. Michigan's looking for a new football coach and let's start there. Sharon Amor has been fired. So, you know, there's two or three elements to this. Number one is there are certain jobs and maybe it's maybe it's 30 or 40 percent of jobs in America.

maybe it's more. It's not every job, but certain jobs in America, you need an elevated sense of character, both personally and professionally. You know, school president, you hope the church, college campus jobs, there are certain jobs where you have to have a seriousness about you and a maturity about you so you can meet the job,

you can meet the program, you can meet the standard. Michigan football is not only a college football job, It's one of America's great public institutions. When I was a kid growing up, to me, Michigan football, this is way pre-Bradie. I thought it was the best program in America. Like the fight song, the crowd, the games, Michigan football to me as a kid, even through college, like, that was the job. Great university, wonderful fans. And Sharon May it more to me, I'll be honest with you.

He always felt like an interim coach. I just didn't think he was that good of a coach Right? Like even at his opening presser He kind of used a Harbaugh quote He didn't have his own identity Again I didn't think he was that great of a coach But he was close

To Jim Harbaugh And my rule has never changed In 30 years in this business I have a rule In sports And in any business The greater The employee

You're asked to replace Jim Harbaugh, the wider the search has to be. You can't just hand it to a staffer if you're trying to replace Jim Harbaugh. Remember when Bill Belichick left? Who they handed to? Belichick's favorite assistant, Gerard Mayo, disaster. Then they went, and this is what Michigan should do, then they went and got Mike Vrable, and Michigan needs to go after like a Kalin DeBoer. Don't know if he leave, but that's the kind of guy I would go after.

So, listen, most vice presidents. Vice presidents have ceilings, and that's vice president. Sharon Moore could be a really, really good coordinator maybe, head coach at Michigan. Yeah, that's a big job. That is a top five job in America. It's like basketball coach at Carolina or Duke. And there's just a certain standard, and he didn't meet it.

Secondly, there are reports that Michigan knew about this for some time, but, you know, they didn't want to get in the way of signing day. Well, time out. When you're talking about, like, internal affairs, you can't go on hearsay or rumor. You have to have admission and proof. Okay, that's why we have HR departments. You can't go on, hey, this guy in the Internet nailed it. You can get sued really quickly if you make an assertion or an accusation

and you don't have an admission or absolute inarguable proof. Third is, it's December 11th. The Bulls haven't started, college football playoffs a week away. Michigan's got all sorts of time. The transfer portal now, the portal doesn't even open until January. It used to be December. So Michigan's going to get a great coach. They paid $10 million for their quarterback.

They're going to get a really, really good coach. But to me, this is a cost. tale of a man who probably wasn't the best candidate available. In fact, he wasn't getting an incredibly esteemed job. And sadly, his personal life, maybe due to the pressure, completely unravels. I wish him the best. Michigan will get a great coach. The portal opens up in January.

The university will be fine. You hope the people will be involved. we'll have Bruce Feldman on in 40 minutes. So earlier this week, J. Mack and I went back and forth, and I said, Rich Paul was right, even if he said something that was uncomfortable, which is, you know, the Lakers are not built to win a championship. They're just not good enough, especially on defense. So last night, the Lakers hosted a really good team,

probably capable of winning the championship San Antonio, and they hosted them in L.A. And let's just say we should have a new segment on the show, where Rich Paul was right. the spurs didn't even have 7 foot 4 wemby and they did whatever they wanted offensively 50% field goals 45% threes 50 total rebounds almost 50 points in the paint that's without 7 4 wemby so this is shaking out as rich paul predicted and i have been saying since the start of the season even when lebron comes back the lakers are bad defensively since lebron returned they're 26 defensively they don't do anything right Defend the rim, defend the perimeter, defend the point. So this is a team in roster with holes. And what happened last night?

What did the Spurs attack? Oh, gritty Austin Reeves. Spurs players who were guarded by Austin Reeves shot an outrageous 63.5%. Oh, wait. That's what the Timberwolves did in the playoffs. Attacked Austin Reeves. good player offensively, works his butt off, cool story, gritty kid. But 40-year-old LeBron, gritty Austin Reeves, a marginally interested defender in Luca,

is not a Western Conference Finals team in the West. They're a fun team. I love watching them. I mean, the crowds go to a Laker game. It's a cool crowd. It's fun. There's a lot of points. Unfortunately, good teams will score more.

and hopefully this is why it's so encouraging if you're a Laker fan the owners of the Lakers who have moved off Cody Bellinger Trey Turner, Manny Machado, Corey Seeger, great players. But they go after Mookie and Freddie Freeman and O'Tonnie. The standard for the Dodgers isn't keeping a very, very excellent player like Corey Seeger. It's getting Shohei Otani, Freddie Freeman and Mookie bets. Everybody loves gritty Austin Reeves.

And 40-year-old LeBron, the future of this organization, two guys. Luca number one, JJ Redick number two. Everybody else is available to move. The Spurs did last night what the T. Wolves did last year. Go after Austin Reeves. That's exactly what they did. Without Wemby, they got every look they wanted to. Go ahead, be a fanboy.

Be an influencer. Take cool picks. The difference between the bus family and the current owners is a standard. Corey Seeger is replaceable. Otani isn't. Right? Trey Turner's a good player. Freddie Freeman's a hall of famer.

Austin Reeves is a good player. I'd move in five minutes if I could sniff Janus. Okay, it's not even a, it's not a discussion. You wear your team jerseys, you take your pictures. J.J. Reddick knows when they play the top teams and the great athletes in the West, here's J.J. Reddick with some true serum. The things that help you win on the margins, we're just not very good at right now. And, you know, we've got to ask a little bit more of everybody.

We don't crash. you know we can't force a lot of turnovers and if a team shoots well we're we're going to be really in trouble he's telling you what rich paul's telling you what uncle collins telling you they can't defend it's not what they are they have three players that duplicate each other lucca lebron and austin reeves are really really good i mean lebron's 41 he's dunkin at the rack austin reeves are going to get his points lucca's better than both easily but there's too much duplication. They've got to get bigger to protect the rim.

They've got to get stronger on the perimeter defensively. I mean, JJ Reddick's telling you, if teams hit shots, there's nothing we can do. Because teams are going to get shots on the Lakers. J.J. Reddick is telling you the truth whether you want to believe

it or not. All right. So Bruce Feldman's going to be joining us in 30 minutes now on the Michigan situation. Again, it's early. the playoffs haven't started, the Bulls, this is where the NIL is very valuable and the portal. They pushed it back to January, meaning if recruits leave at Michigan,

you can replace them. Remember, Michigan and Notre Dame have two of the top 10 endowments in the country. These are very wealthy schools. This is why the Big Ten, in my opinion, now that Indiana is a powerhouse, while the Big Ten has closed the gap on the SEC, see, richer endowments, richer schools, richer graduates, bigger schools, flushing out graduates across the country to great jobs, they come back, write checks, Michigan's going to be fine, I'll root for the person, Sharon Moore, but the Wolverine, since I was a kid, have always

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You're now entering the no bull zone sponsored by credible great rates, none of the bull. So I've heard this all week. You know, Kansas City, they're not rebuilding. They're just retooling. Because, you know, if you've got Reed in my homes, you're okay. I've been asking every guest this week, rebuild my belief or retool. And the answer I get from people I love at this company, Well, it's just a reed tool.

We got Mahomes. We got Reed. Brady left Belichick. Do you know why? Talent regression. The roster. Yeah, he didn't like Bill anymore, but he didn't really like Bill 10 years earlier. People get tackled in football.

They age very, very quickly. Kansas City has gone from, hey, we don't really need wide receivers. Kelsey and Mahomes will figure it out. Two, we may finish sub-500. Andy Reed is 67. Travis Kelsey's going to retire. Chris Jones won't. He'll be expensive, but he's not the player he used to be.

George Karloftus is a really good pass rusher, but he's probably a little overpaid. His cap hit much bigger next year. Rishi Rice, not dependable, immature, gets banged up. Josh Simmons, the left tackle. Injury issues, some personal issues. ongoing in life and in football. You get a dose of reality sometimes.

And Kansas City for seven years got every green light driving to work. They were just winning close. Come from behind. They got a green light the entire drive to work for seven years. Now they're stuck in traffic. And this roster, and they've taken some risks. Josh Simmons was not on every board. Rishi Rice, not on every board.

There's pro scouts know. They know about issues before they surface professionally. And I'll say this again. I think, I'm not saying it's a demo. You don't have to tear the house down, but the kitchen needs work. So does the roof and a couple of bathrooms. It's not just a tile job or fix and clean up the garage. So here's Patrick Mahomes on potentially missing the postseason.

We were in unprecedented territory, a place that we haven't been since I've been here. And so I think you lean on the guys that have kind of battled through adversity and came out better on the other side. And so when I look at it now, it's like, I mean, I don't know what the percentages are, but I know they're not high. And I think it would be special if we get into the playoffs and we can make a run. So why not give ourselves a chance to do that? and we have to start by winning football games.

For the record, 2018 to 2022, before the Big Mahomes deal felt like it kicked in, this team averaged 30 points a game. The last three years, they're averaging a touchdown less a game. Name the Chiefs top 10 players right now. And I'm not talking on resume or legacy. I'm not talking about Travis Kelsey just because he has a great legacy. I'm saying name their top 10 players. Chris Jones is not a top 10

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This is the herd line news. Always fun when someone besides me goes in on the Chiefs on this show. All right, let's get started, Colin, with the Dallas Cowboys. Listen, it's been an up and down first year for Brian Schottnheimer's head coach. They are 6-6-1, but, I mean, goodness gracious, 29 points per game, highest ever by a Cowboys coach. Pretty impressive. Anyways, Dallas has a tough path to make the playoffs, and here's what Chattie says about that. Absolutely, but I don't think that's the only thing we're judged upon, but that's what we want.

You can't sit up here and talk about winning world's championships, and if you don't make the playoff, you don't have a chance to win a world's championship. So, again, winning's the number one objective. After that, it's building the culture. Minnesota is our focus. Minnesota is my focus, but, you know, like I said, at the end of the day, we're going to be judged on wins and losses. and so let's start by getting the first one in the fourth quarter against Minnesota. Do like Dallas this week. Oh, do you?

Risky. I think they're in a testy mood after being humiliated. Those standalone games, when your defense gives up 44 points, what do you bet you get a spirited defensive effort from the Cowboys this week? Okay. I mean, but we expected that last week against the Lions. Detroit went up and down the field. Lions have a little better quarterback O-line.

Definitely a better quarterback. quarterback. A Vikings O'Lion is rounding in a form, a little healthier. Shut out Washington last week. Just saying, Dallas is better than what they showed Thursday night defensively. This will be a good win for J.J. McCarthy. So he struggled against good defenses. You can't run on Dallas. I don't really think they need to. Justin Jefferson chirping. This is shaping up as a big JJ game. You got him in fantasy. Start him. Big game.

Are you really selling that to the public? I honestly think Vikings could win this. outright. Okay. All right. Is C.D. Lamb going to play, by the way? They're going to rush him back from a concussion to try to get in the playoffs? Won't matter.

Wow. Okay. All right. Here we go. Let's move on to the game of the weekend, probably. Patriots Bills. This is a big one. Josh Allen heads to Foxborough.

Listen, Buffalo has dominated the division over the last five years, but maybe things have turned around. Mike Vrable and Company, they got a two-game lead with four left and Drake May. He knows what's at stake here. Yeah, we are facing them. They've had a full's eye on their back for, you know, really since they probably took it over the first year. You want to beat division champs. You know, coach said it like at the beginning of the year.

This is a great opportunity for us to go, winning division, and, you'll rack up the AFC East, so we know it's going to be tough. And we've got a great team coming in here and be cool to do it on our own turf. Yeah, game of the week is Detroit on the Rams. That's a good one. Yeah. I mean, this just, it feels like this is maybe the changing of the guard in the division. Oh, I think absolutely. If you like the Patriots.

I'll ask the question. You own the Buffalo Bills. Year one of Mike Brable and Drake May together. They beat the best quarterback in the league. Your place and their place. If New England wins, Sean McDermott, ownership has to look in the mirror on the GM and the coach. I don't think they're bad.

I think they're capable. But the best football player in the world is your quarterback. You can't finish second in a quarterback league to young Drake. May, who is now, he hasn't entered his prime yet. Okay, so just let's pump the brakes. So that was a great win over Buffalo, undeniably. Buffalo, I believe, had three turnovers, like 12 penalties.

They were a mess. Do you, do you want me to rattle off some of the other quarterbacks that Brable has beaten this year? Yeah, sure. Go ahead. You ready? So they beat Tua, you know, which doesn't really mean much. Come on.

They beat Bryce Young. Bryce Young's going to make the playoffs. Oh, stop it. They beat, I don't even know if it was. Spencer, Rattler, or Tyler Shuck. But bottom line, New Orleans, Cam Ward, whoever was, I think Dylan, Gabriel, Michael Penix, or the back. Bottom of the damn, they didn't beat anybody outside of Josh Allen. No good wins.

Zero, Colin. And they did lose to Gino Smith at the season opener. I'm just saying, we talked yesterday. 32nd ranked schedule. They have played nobody. All right. You want to go head to head on this one for, like a case of, can we mention alcoholic beverages on? Moulson.

I got bills. I hear this a lot. I hear this from fans a lot. Who did they beat? It's not college. It's pro football. Who did they beat a pro football team? Okay, yeah, do I think the Jets are great?

No, but the Jets before last week had like a four-game stretch where they played really good football. These are pro athletes. They were all Americans in college. You start, you're winning 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 games. you're doing special teams for them are great. Coach is great. In fact, the weakness of the reason I think this line is favoring Buffalo, the one thing Buffalo defensively really struggles is stopping the run.

New England's not a very good running team. Well, their offensive lines is a little shanky. But again, we're talking about a team with a 10-game win streak, playing at home off a buy and their underdogs. Yeah. That should tell you that the better team is Buffalo. I know New England beat him, but the better team is Buffalo here. I think the bills went out right, Colin.

You got Patriots? I do. Okay. We'll make it interesting. Final story is our contractual obligation to Chicago. Caleb Williams, big showdown in the frigid temperatures at Soldier Field. I saw negative wind chill expected Sunday. He's going to be facing Miles Garrett and the Browns.

Miles Garrett is two and a half sacks away from the NFL single season sack record. Now, Caleb's done a good job of avoiding sacks this year, one of his big strengths with Ben Johnson, and he talked about not wanting to be another tombstone in Garrett's quarterback graveyard. He has a, as the kids say, is a deep bag of, you know, of tricks. And whether it's his Euro step, his speed, is off the ball. You know, they'll put him at the linebacker area and let him just kind of do his thing. Obviously, he's right there at the sack record, almost there at the sack record. And so I'm going to try and make sure that he doesn't get the sack record on us and on me.

For the record, I know this matters to me more than it does other people, and maybe I'm wrong. Caleb Williams is excellent at the podium. Always says the right thing. Have you ever noticed this very smart, very measured? I told you, the first thing I noticed about DAC, years ago, I'm like, he's good at the podium. Well, listen, Caleb's 9 and 4. They're riding high. It's easy to be happy and great at the podium.

I'm just saying when you're in Chicago or Dallas or Philadelphia and these are hard. These are loud, large, well-paid media people with a big point of view. He never starts a fire. He's always bringing down the temperature. Miles Garrett is great. There's no cocky nonsense. It just matters. I like Caleb.

He's had a great season. I was impressed against the Packers. Then I started to look at it. of the numbers, Colin. He attempted 35 passes against Green Bay. And through for 186 yards. Okay, Green Bay's defense is great. And it was in Llambo. Cleveland has the number one run defense in the league. I know tennis, you shredded them last year. Not as good on the road. That's also true. I'm, if this is like a, I know your line on Jalen Hertz, if he has to throw over 30 times, it's in trouble. Not my line. I think the same,

I think the same applies to Caleb Williams and the Bears. Oh, come on. Caleb's a much better pocket guy. Caleb's got a better arm. Caleb throws the ball over the middle, much better. Caleb is an all-time potential star. Jalen Hertz, second round quarterback, who had to transfer in college. What does that have to do with the set of stuff? I think there's limitations on what Jalen can do.

I think Caleb's comp is Josh Allen. He may not get there, but there's no ceiling on Caleb Williams. I mean, arm movement, toughness, durability. Is Josh Allen? That's, come on. Really? I like Caleb. I think the potential's there.

Colin, the numbers. It's year two, so I'm not going to say something I ended up for them. With Ben Johnson. We're just ignoring the rookie year? To me, it doesn't exist. It only exists on Google. So to me, the Notre Dame Miami season opener didn't exist. Jay Mag with the news

Well, that's the news And thanks for stopping by The Hurd Lie News So I feel strongly about this And I've talked about this But not to this level Oklahoma City last night crushed another team

I don't want to hear that it's Phoenix They're 24 and 1 Analytically Their all-time rank is number one They're better than Katie and the Warriors Shack and Kobe better than the MJ Bulls.

They're easily the best defensive team that's ever been formed in the NBA analytically. And that's saying something because of the European pipeline, we've never had more skill offensively, and yet they shut it down. MJ's Bulls often played teams. Did you worry about Oster Tag

and T. Bailey hitting a 24-footer? This team is insane. The coach, the GM. and if you look at their best players, most aren't in their prime yet. SGA is. So, oh yeah, they have three first round picks this year, could win the lottery.

They could have the number one pick. No egos, nothing's getting away of this thing. And this is my point. This is where I don't get the anti-dynasty crowd. You do realize there's different ways to create a dynasty. one of them was Golden State had a very rich owner. He's like, all pay the tax penalty. OKC is going to create one because their GMs the best.

San Antonio did it with international scouting. Right? Like they were ahead of everybody on international scouting. Miami did it because they convinced LeBron to come play with his buddy because they have the best GM at the time, the great recruiter Pat Riley. everybody's always tax the rich is that going to buy you a house

tax the rich in 1989 the wealthiest Americans the wealthiest Americans had 1.7 billion dollars today they have 23 trillion excuse me they had 1 7 trillion to 23 trillion it's gone up 13 times with seven different presidents Republicans, conservatives, liberals, progressives, seven different presidents.

Rich people have more money and a greater share of it than they've ever had. And baseball's never had a more fascinating dynasty. My point is the NBA is paralyzed by this. And part of baseball's growth is that they're not. Taxing the rich isn't buying you a house. and those people are more willful, driven, often smarter, aspirational. This idea, we're just going to pull everybody right to the middle. It doesn't work in sports.

It used to be in college football. You could have 125 scholarships offered. Then they kept reducing it. And yet we had the greatest dynasty ever in Alabama. They kept reducing scholarships. And it didn't do anything. The Bama dynasty was better than every previous. dynasty. Oklahoma City has a chance to win five of the next six. They are stacked and they're doing

it with a great GM who has manipulated other weaker GMs. And by the way, the new CBA and the NBA is more punitive to a dumb GM. Because if you make a mistake now as a front office guy, you're done. You can't buy your way out of it. And all the owners are billionaires. So this Oklahoma City, at least the Dodgers dynasty is interesting. I got nothing against Oklahoma City, but it's it's, it's depth. SGA is a great player. They didn't really want to talk much. Do you ever see their victory celebration after they won?

I got more excited at 24 when I got a credit card. They barely cared. They're unemotional, small market, and it's not really a market thing. But we're all trying to smush everybody together. And the NBA has been paralyzed by this. That's, oh, we can't have dynasties. I don't know. I thought the Healds were awesome.

I love Jordan's Bulls. I was really in the Katie and the Warriors. Seven years, seven teams. Baseball's like, hey, what-evs? I mean, Milwaukee's good. Seattle's good. So are the Cubs, the Dodgers, the Yankees? The Mets have money, they stink.

The Padres have less. They're good. But this prime example is, home of the home city they are analytically the best team ever and their players are all young and this matters in the nbaa not a lot of ego the gm is brilliant the coach is excellent the depth is insane the best defensive team ever sGA is a bucket home green jalen williams they go they go nine deep and they're young you're not going to break it up and next year they have three first round picks they can get the number one pick in a loaded draft it's a dynasty it's just a boring one so stop being paralyzed by

it. Let players be players. There's a million different ways to get rich in America. Keep taxing them. It's not going to buy me a house. I know some people are just smarter than me. More willful? Well, the deck is stacked. Well, then why is O KC winning? Why are they so? Folks, they're winning by 40. 30. I don't care how you get to a dynasty. The Lakers did it with Los Angeles. Players, I mean, they didn't come here because the taxes were beneficial. Players for years came to LA because they had the cool brand. A friend of mine was at the Laker game last night. He said, everybody

looks like they're on only fans or an influencer. I mean, that's the L.A. Laker crowd. It's not the Dodger crowd, but it's the Laker crowd. It's like everybody's going to a club. It's the cool place in the NBA. They attracted players on that. They didn't even owe him the most. The Dodgers defer payments,

but great players want to play with great players so the Dodgers do it with money, but the Dodgers also don't miss on trade. They do it because analytically they're smarter than everybody. So everybody in the NBA is like, oh, they're going to tank. Who cares? Just be interesting. We're in the interesting business.

TikTok, Hulu, streaming, IG, the market's all wide and you're worried about we don't want a team to repeat. These guys can reel off four straight. Who cares? Get me yonis to the Knicks. I mean, get me yonis to the Lakers. This whole thing worrying about tanking. This whole thing worried about dynasties. Dynasties are good.

Look at baseball's ratings the last two years. They're exploding. You remember my line? Give me super teams or give me death? Yes. I want super teams in the NBA. The problem with OKC is, like you said, they're boring. Colin, what happens if they're the Spurs 2.0?

They are. That's not a good thing. Go look at what the lead, what was going on in the league back then. I think it's a good thing because in the end, I root for greatness. And Sam Presti's great. And the SGA is great. and the coach is great and the fans are loyal. But I'm not anti-Dynasty.

My take is there's a million ways to get rich in America and there's a million ways to form a dynasty. Some do it with GM, some do it with Pat Riley, some do it with L.A.'s vibe, some do it Dodgers with money. George Steinbrenner. I thought it was great for baseball. Yeah, we do need to remember,

OKC needed seven to take out Denver last year in the playoffs. They needed seven to take out the Pacers and Halliburton got hurt. So I get it. They're a great regular season. They're all their young players now or a year better. They're good. They're really, really good. Bruce Feldman around the corner next.

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Bruce Feldman been covering college football, about 30 years now. New York Times bestselling author, writer at the esteemed Athletic and Fox Sports College Football Reporter. We don't get you in this early hour very much. This is a treat for us. I've said this. There are certain jobs, not all jobs, certainly, but there are certain jobs that your seriousness and maturity have to match the job. Michigan football is on a short list of all college jobs as one of the most profound, an unbelievable university, a global university. There are people insinuating that Michigan knew about this for a long time, but, you know, there was recruiting, signing day. what is your sourcing tell you on when did this develop when were there i mean was this sudden or not i think it was sudden in regard to what they could prove to fire him yeah i think there was there was

rumors of this for at least a month from from my understanding if not longer than that and it wasn't i feel like it was a poorly kept secret to be honest about this inappropriate relationship but from our reporting at the athletic in the last, you know, 36 hours or so, I think Michigan got more information that was really damning that they could act on. And I think that was, you know, that was it from that point, from a sense of they can fire him for cause for now for this. But yeah, it's a really sad story and the more the fallout of how it sounds like Sharon Moore has handled this in the last day. or so is really disturbing. He was a pretty good recruiter, although in NIL generally the check is the recruiter.

So Underwood's a remarkable talent, but there's $10 million, which is double what the coach was making. That's the world we live in. It's a great job. Some would insinuate because of the timing, although the portal doesn't open until January now, because of the timing, they're going to miss out on like top coaches, but I watch Penn State get an excellent young coach, Matt Campbell, and that was a bigger mess in terms of, I mean, recruiting.

This is still a top five job. Is it even with this story, right? It's the bluest of blue blood jobs. Jim Harba won a national title, as we know, just a couple of years ago. And there's a lot of good young talents, starting with Bryce Underwood. They signed a top, you know, one of the top running backs in the country. There's a lot of pieces to work with, you know, absent of this, I think there were some concerns about Sharon Moore as a head coach, you know, going into all of this, right?

You know, he'd made questionable hires the last few, you know, the last few years on the offense aside the ball. No question. They were terrible on offense last year. They were really underwhelming on offense this year with some young talent. And I think this was going to be a big off season to see where it was going to go. Now I think it's flipped. You know, I would say this.

If Penn State didn't hire Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell probably would have been a really good candidate for this job. I don't know what they missed out on. You're Michigan. You're not going to hire Elaine Kiffin anyway. You know, like, I think the guys that you're looking at now, we'll see what the timing is going to be like. Kaelin-Dabor is a name that could make a lot of sense from Michigan. Yeah, that to me is number one. Right. You got a guy who, he was not from everything I was told, from sources close to DeBore, a factor in the Penn State search. And everything I've heard is he likes it in Tuscaloosa. He and his family do. But You know, they sputtered down the stretch.

They barely got into the playoff. If they lose next week in the opening round at Oklahoma. And I owe money. They don't meet the top of the... Well, I would hold off on that piece of it because they just signed a really, really good recruiting class at Alabama. So I don't think it's like, oh, I can get more for this. I think really, Colin, I think it comes down to this.

If they get knocked out early in the playoff, there's going to be immense pressure mounting on Kalin-DeBore. there. I'm not saying he's going to definitely bail, but it wouldn't surprise him he looked at and go, you know what? That might be a better fit for me now. You know, it's like if people are, again, and that's if he loses. Now, look, we were

in a weird situation last year with Ryan Day around this time of year where people were writing him off, and he ended up with a national title. If somehow Alabama goes on a little run, I think that builds him up some equity, and then maybe he's not a candidate for Michigan. So, my theory

has always been the greater, the icon you replace, the wider the net has to be to replace him. Saban leaves. Kalen DeBore's about as good as you're going to get. Harbaugh leaves. We have somebody that had never been a head coach. Why did they go with proximity over resume? I think there was some pressure there where they looked at it and said, you know, we had seen him be a head coach because Harbaugh got suspended for a call. He was the head coach at the Penn State game and players responded to him. And I think they were hoping for continuity. Quite honestly, I think they were also hoping that he would be able to keep more of the staff that ended up coming out here to Los Angeles with Harbaugh.

He had probably the best strength coach in the country. In college football, that's a big thing. Ben Herbert, Ben Herbert decided to go with Harbaugh and leave. I think Michigan folks thought he was going to stay in Ann Arbor with Sharon. And I think that, you know, look, they could see a small window of what he would be as a head coach. But again, this guy was the offensive line coach, right? and Harbaugh is such a big presence around the team. You know, I think there was maybe some warning signs that they'd look back on now and saying, all right, maybe this guy's not ready for this job. As you said, this is a different job than let's say he got to be the head coach at Purdue

or he got to be the head coach at Kansas State. This is Michigan. You know, it's like Notre Dame. There's very few schools that I think fit in this realm. and let me let me throw out jesse minter chargers defensive coordinator defense second in the country will he be a candidate i don't know on that because jesse minter still has for at least the time being a show cause with the nca the other thing is jesse mentor is like this close away from any of reading for NFL head coaching jobs somebody i talked to yesterday who's close to both jesse mentor and mike macdonald was the seahawks

coach who used to be at michigan was like i don't think those guys want to come back to michigan or come back to this world of college football, where you constantly have free agency every year with all your players. That's not how it is in the NFL. You know, that's not a, I, you know, if you're a Jesse Minter and you're really close to getting an NFL head coaching job, why would you jump back into this? So if, if, if Kalin DeBoer isn't landed, Jed Fish at Washington, maybe? Jedfish might make some sense. He worked at Michigan under Jim Harbaugh. He just done an amazing, did an amazing job at Arizona. They were horrible. And then he got them to be number 11 in the country in year three, and he's done a pretty good job at Washington.

Offensive coach. I think if you, you know, you got to remember, Kailen DeBore, really good offensive system. Jed Fish, really, really good offensive coach. If you were trying to say to Bryce Underwood, hey, stick around, those guys might make a lot of sense. And again, I think Jed Fish knows, you know, he was in Michigan. He still has some ties to folks inside the Michigan family. I think he would make a lot of sense for a lot of people. 45 seconds, Marcus Freeman, NFL offers potentially, I think he stays to you. I think he stays. I heard the Giants had some interest early on. I heard he wasn't that interested in that or wasn't interested in that.

I think he knows he's got a good situation. Obviously, Notre Dame's had a lot of firehors in the last 72 hours. But, you know, the NFL is always going to be there for him, I think. He's a great recruiter. To me, he's sort of the gold standard of what you want with the young coach. Yeah, he's a CEO guy who has a ton of presence in charisma. and I think he's grown from the job. He's taken what he learned from Jim Tressel

and guys he's learned along the way. And I think he's done a really good job. I mean, if I was a Notre Dame fan, I would hate to see him go. 15 seconds. Timeline for Michigan hiring a new coach. You know, they have Bif Pogh right now as the interim. They're going to play Texas in a bowl game

at the end of this month. I feel like they're going to try to have as best stability as they can. And then I think they see, they kick the tires on DeBore and fish and see what else happens from there. Bruce Feldman. What a good job. The athletic.

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