The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - NBA rumors

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

Colin addresses the ongoing trade rumors surrounding Damian Lillard and why it's time for an intervention to break up his relationship with the Trail Blazers There's bad news for Jets fans and it has to do with Hard KnocksSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm just going to go with D. Things good for you. I saw you and K.D. battling a little bit on social media. Not as exciting as the tennis match I played last night. But nevertheless, squabbling with an NBA star is always fun. Well, you know, KD reaches out. I kind of like that. I don't always love what he says.

It wasn't in a positive manner. So, nevertheless. There's nothing wrong with disagreement. Certainly. healthy. Healthy, indeed. KD., if you disagree with me or Jemak, I got no problem. We still love you. We still love him. Well, that's good to know. Yeah. I got Phoenix. I'm going to the title next year. So do I. Okay. So, um, this was an eye roll. The general manager of the Blazers, Joe Cronin came out yesterday after meeting Dame and said, great dialogue. Remain committed to building a

winner around Dame. Oh, boy. Then Sam Amick of the athletic reports. Yeah, the Blazers are trying to upgrade it, but they're finding it very difficult to pull out the kind of moves they need to be a viable contender. Forget championships. It feels like Dame needs an intervention. Or maybe the Blazers, GM, Joe Cronin. Guys, fellas, you're not close to being a competitive Western Conference team.

If you don't follow the Blazers, let me describe their roster in a nutshell. A pretty talented, injury-prone big, Nurkich, a fascinating dynamic teenager, Scoot Henderson, two promising young players, one Anthony Simons about ready for a breakout, a solid forward who needs to be re-signed, and Dame, last two years can't stay healthy. In a league where increasingly size wins in May and June. If you take Dame and Yerkich out, they don't currently have a player signed for next year, over like 24 years old. Like it's all kids, all in the back court.

And by the way, they're talented. They're fun. I think next year the team can be fun with or without Dave. It's a fun team. It's not a great team. It is a playing team. Nerkage can't stay healthy. Last two years, Dame can't, although I think, I think with the rest going in the next year,

he should be fine and a lot of hope and promise in kids. Intervention time. It's not working. why can't somebody rip the band-aid? Rick Buecker on our show yesterday, theorized why. They're playing a game of chicken. Damien doesn't want to say the guy, it doesn't want to be the guy to say,

all right, I'm out, because that would sort of undermine his whole brand and persona in Portland. And Portland, meanwhile, does not want to say, you know what? Thanks, Damien, but we're moving on. If Portland says, look, yeah, we decided we need to move. on. The money's too much, and we don't think we can get there with Damien. There's going to be backlash in Portland. You know Portland. That is a fierce, loyal town, and they love Damien. It's not that loyal. I work there. They want to win, like everybody else. Let's not make Portland into a city

that's more loyal than anyone else. They want winners. It's all they care about. They're sports fans. They have lives, boyfriends, girlfriends, marriages, kids. They want to go to the arena and spend money, and those tickets are increasingly expensive, and they want to see a winner, and a team that can battle in the West, go up against the sons and the warriors. I hear this all the time, ah, this town is really loyal. Not really. Tickets are now so expensive. I grew up in a era, baseball tickets were $4. You could sneak into the kingdom, get a good one, sit down close to the field, $8. Those days are over. I bought my daughter a couple of tickets to go to a baseball game. it was $900.

They were good seats. Dodger Stadium's amazing. Hot dog parking, make it a foul. The point being is it takes courage. The Blazers have become the stand-up comedian using six-year-old material. You guys hear about the Ice Bucket Challenge? Get new stuff.

What's the deal with airline food? Time for new material. Go look 11 years. five first round exits. Yeah. Three missed the playoffs. Eight of 11 years over quickly. People want to be around in May and June.

Rip the Band-Aid off. Intervention time. Everybody knows this isn't working. Too young, too brittle, lacking courage. Portland's no different than anywhere else. They want to go toe to toe the Warriors and the Kings and the Nuggets and the Celtics and the Bucks and think they have a chance

to not only beat them that night but win a series. All right, I saw this story. Interesting. So I'm not a fan of Hard Knocks. I liked it when it first started, but seven of the last 10 teams on Hard Knocks missed the playoffs. I went back and looked at every team. Now they have a hard knocks in the middle of the season, but I went to the preseason hard knock teams. I yellowed anyone that missed the playoffs. it's over half the teams and then a lot of lost in the wild card round it the way I look at it it doesn't make a bad team good or a good team bad but if your marriage is already rocky it'll get you to a divorce attorney it's not great and especially with a team that's got a impulsive owner check jets a young coach on the

Hot seat, check jets, a prickly older quarterback, new to the franchise, check, media intensity, New York, check, really, really tough division, check, brutal early schedule when you're trying to kind of create inertia and momentum. Check, check, check, check. It's less an ideal. It's not going to make a good team bad, but teams do not need HBO. Used to, don't know. You can tell that because head coaches and GMs are begging not to be on this show. So years ago, I worked at another sports company, four letters of ESPN. And the president then, George Bodenheimer, nice man, smart guy, created the Longhorn Network because Texas has. had won a national title.

They were very popular. And the initial reaction from the Texas rivals was, this is unfair. This is outrageous. What an advantage. One month in, Mac Brown hated it. Mac Brown told anybody close to the program, it's going to drive me out of here.

I'm aging by the day. Football's about discretion, deception, being discreet, covert, hiding stuff. It's not about having cameras and meetings. Mac Brown hated it. It ended up being a disadvantage. You had to kind of act differently. I know you don't think you'd act differently if you put cameras all around your marriage

or your business, but you would. You'd act differently. You don't want that. You want authentic. You want real. You want honest. Some of this stuff is ugly. I've been in football locker rooms.

It's not pretty. I've been in football front offices. There's hard discussions that you do not want on camera. No. And so again, I don't think it's going to make the Jets who will be a good team terrible, but the Jets are already facing. Young, major question marks on the O line, the first potentially averaged a bad O line of Aaron Rogers' career,

Aaron dealing with young promising but young receivers, he can be prickly near the end of his career. impulsive owners, coach on the hot seat, New York media. I mean, New York media had Buck Shoalalter. He was like Stephen Hawking's a year ago. Now he's a bum. Now he's an idiot. Now they want him gone.

It's just different in New York. The intensity, there's multiple sports talk radio stations, half a dozen big columnist and newspaper coverage. It's different in New York. Lived around it for 10 years. Different than even other big cities like Boston and Los Angeles and Detroit and Miami. So I don't like hard knocks. Don't like it.

I don't think companies or leagues should be in the business of distracting their business partners. All things, good things must come to an end. All right, JMAQ, a lot of stuff today. KD and JMAQ went back and forth on the social stuff. KD is very, very willing. So he views it as willing to engage. Some people view it as sensitive. is it engaging if you just jump into a conversation and say the way you guys talk about basketball is whack

and just to blast the guys for 30 seconds and then vanish? That's not a conversation. That's one-way traffic. But hey, quick word on the Jets. The league kind of shafts at them with the schedule, right? You saw the first like six games. Oh, I think the first six games are brutal. And now you're going to put hard knocks on top of it? Don't you want Aaron Rogers showcased in late season games? And by the high TV ratings, playoffs? Like, don't you want that? and Sunday night football, you can flex games, right? Yeah. Don't you think they'll have a few games flexed? Maybe.

Yeah, I would think. If Aaron Rogers starts 2-0, you know, the Jets are going to be the one team in this league that is going to be very flex viable, I would think, by week 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 because of Aaron and the Jets. Like in the NBA right now, you want to see the Sons early with the Bradley Biel. You want to see Victor Wenbanyama, newness. Aaron Rogers, leaving the Packers after his entire career to the Jets? Who's not into that? Remember how often the Broncos early last year were on television?

And it hurt Russell Wilson and the offense. Yeah, they opened up against Seattle National TV. Nathaniel Hackett didn't know how to monitor the timeouts. And all of a sudden it was like this firestorm of heat on the organization. Set the tone. Set the tone for the season. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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Miami and Milwaukee are the two places to go. But most people, media especially, look at Miami. Maybe it's because the bucks had a bad season. Maybe it's because it's not a glamorous market. Dame is seen as a big score in a scorers league. Maybe it's because of Riley and Eric Spolstray. We love Jimmy Butler. Whatever it is, Miami is seen as the place to go.

May I suggest, after some homework this morning, Milwaukee. I want to show you a chart. By the start of next NBA season, Dame will be 33 and Jimmy Butler will be 34. Dame's off back-to-back years with some injuries. so he is aging, but he's still a dynamic player. So Dame will be 33 and Jimmy will be 34. So I went back to the last 10 NBA champions, and I looked at their two best players in the finals.

Now, you can argue about some of this stuff, but when I went back and looked at the two best players in the finals, none will put up the chart, had two players in their 30s. Not to mention none had two players in their mid-30s. One of the older versions was KD at 28 and Curry at 28. Now, LeBron was 35 in the bubble, but Anthony Davis was 28. But if you send Dame a smaller aging player to the Bucks, Janus is 28, Dame is 33,

and that fits the championship model. Don't confuse experience with age. Experience is crucial in the playoffs. Age can be a liability. So Miami also throw this out. Portland's got all sorts of guards. They need Tyler Hero. What they could use is Chris Middleton.

A wing, a shooter with Scoot Henderson, with Anthony Simons. They've got Nurkich. They've got young, really young backcourt talent. What they don't have is a wing that can shoot. Chris Middleton, maybe some picks. So the belief is, ah, Dame and Miami is perfect. The reality is Milwaukee's a better fit and can also give.

You could argue, if you wanted to make it work, Drew Holiday and Middleton, to Portland for Dame and maybe one of the younger players. But Portland's going to be really young if Dame leaves. That's solvable. Chris Middleton, Drew Holiday. But Miami can only give them back what they have. Guards. Hasn't wing been an issue with Portland forever?

Milwaukee's not as flashy. Maybe it's because they had a very quick exit. Miami doesn't work as well as Milwaukee. A dominant big and a great shooter. You don't need Dame to be a great defender. which he's not because Janus is your rim protector. Even if you just move Middleton, picks, and some other rotational players, Drew Holliday is a great defender.

He'd certainly be a perfect fit at times with Dame. I think Milwaukee's the much better play here than Miami. J-Mack with a news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I can't disagree. Milwaukee makes a lot of sense. We touched on it Friday, and the only other one I heard were a forward could be in play. I floated to you during the commercial. Denver says we'll give you Michael Porter Jr.,

who's younger, longer. I know he's, I had the injuries, but I think he's a little better than Chris Middleton, at least with the upside. So Michael Porter Jr., KCP, and like five second round picks. I'm not a huge Michael Porter Jr. fan. I think there's, I think after being a great high school player, he didn't pan out in college, he was the only nugget of a talent, of redeemable major talent that struggled in the finals. He sort of disappeared. I'm not a Michael Porter Jr. fan. I think he's one of those talented guys, but not necessarily a winning player. I think Gordon was, Murray is, Yerkerch was. I like KCP. And I love Drew Holliday if he was in a trade coming to Portland, super bright, super mature. By the guard. By the way, bigger guard than Dame, better defender. Because young guys in

the NBA, young guards don't defend. A lot of guards don't defend. But young guys never defend. Scoot Henderson's not going to defend. He's a teenager. Yeah, and Michael Porter, Jr. going from like third or fourth on Denver to one or two in Portland. I don't trust him. That's a tough one. Yeah, yeah. All right, let's get to Josh Allen and Aaron Rogers. We talked about the bromance last week, and the two will go from friend to foe for two weeks during the season. And who knows, maybe the playoffs, Colin. Here's what Allen had to say about facing Rogers. I've been such a fan of him, you know, as a little kid, you know, having Aaron Rogers' jerseys

and trying to emulate what he does on the football field. And, you know, he's such a special player. I think he's the most gifted throw over the football of all time. And to now be going against him twice a year. And, you know, it's going to be battle. These games are going to be dog fights. And it's not about how much you can win them by. It's if you win them.

So that's all we're trying to do. We're trying to score one more point than our opponent. Very, I. Could you say this morning, Bill's Jets, Dolphins, Patriots, especially if D-Hop went to New England, best division in football. Well, we heard about a D-Hop offer, I think, last week.

What was the last time he had an offer you? Just let it sit around for a while. Well, I don't know if he's going to end up in New England. I bet you Belichick's trying to lowball the heck out of him. Well, you know he is. Nobody else wants you. Come to New England. What, to play with Mac Jones?

You always say that as a... I'm not feeling the Patriot. You use Mac Jones as some pejorative. Like, he's just... I just say it derisively. I'm a Jets fan, of course. Go on his rookie ear. You know, we had to play.

put up with Tom Brady. We, I can say we as a Jets fan, for two decades. And he just smacked us around. I think the Jets have lost like 14 straight to the Patriots. It's gotten ugly. All right, next up, pressures on your guy, Russell Wilson, to rebound. Ruff's first season in Denver, but he did have Nathaniel Hackett, who's now with the Jets, of course. The Broncos responded by hiring Sean Payton and O.C. Joe Lombardi to up change the culture.

Here's what Lombardi had to say about Russ so far in camp. As you look at what happened last year, a lot of it was injuries. I don't know what's going to happen, but we're really. really happy with where he's at. He's used to doing things a certain way, and we're presenting a new way of doing things. It's a new year, new coaching staff, new scheme. We have a lot of time to figure out the best plan for all these players. A lot of newness in Denver, Colin, I know we are excited about Sean Payton, but yeah. It's really not that much newness. What do you mean? New head coach, new OC, and he just said we got a new scheme. And oh, by the way, no more of this

Russ owns the building, parking spot office, all that stuff's thrown out. A lot of change. First of all, that story got way more attention than it deserved. I hear at Fox, I have my own office. I didn't ask for it. The company gave it to me. I never asked for it. Russell Wilson doesn't deserve his own office in the NFL as a $500, $400 million quarterback or whatever he makes?

I don't understand that argument. When I was at the other place, they gave me an office. You were in it one time. And my takeaway was it was in this. hallway, there was tours all the time. And I'm like, I'd rather have a cubicle in the back that I can hide instead of having people. There was tours coming by. So I wasn't a big fan of offices. Here I like it in the morning because, you know, I like the FaceTime my kids in the morning. What's going on? It's better than kind of, you know, I kind of like it here. It's close to the

exit so I can get out of here when works over. But the idea that you have an office here. I do. And Russell Wilson can't have an office. Every NFL quarterback in this league should have a place where he can sit and watch film and, by the way, and bring an OC in, a star receiver because if he's a leader, you want these kind of moments of connectivity with your star receiver, OC head coach. That story is nonsense. By the way, own parking spot. I don't have one of those either. That's not a... I don't either. Who does? I know some people here who do. I don't. I don't. Final story. Oh, boy. Brock Purdy is now almost four months removed from surgery to repair his UCL suffered in the NFC championship game.

Purdy continues to progress in his rehab and is ready for the next step in his recovery. Reportedly heading to Jacksonville to throw with the throwing coach and have an orthopedic specialist for the next couple of weeks. It feels like it's Brock Purdy season, Colin. You need to see your NFC quarterback rankings. And where will a healthy Brock Purdy be? You know, games he started and finished, he's undefeated in his career. If he's ready to play, he'll start.

If he's not, they're going to go with Sam Darnold for a start or two. Darnold, actually, you could argue, fits this. Sam gets in trouble when Sam ad-libs. If you ask Sam to go back, get rid of it quickly, and deliver it, Sam's fine. When Sam gets in trouble, Sam starts ad-libbing it off-scrits, and he makes bad decisions. But wasn't he great at that at USC? Because it's college football. A lot of quarterbacks are great, just making stuff up.

Johnny Mansell was just great making crap up. So was Cam Newton. It's a whole different ball game. Baker Mayfield, great ad liber in college. Then you find out defensive ends are faster than you and you can't ad lib. Well, it's weird because Mahomes was great ad-libbing in college. That was like his specialty. He's also the best quarterback talent in the life of the league.

Yeah, but he wasn't coming into the league. Now ad-libbing. I mean, Mahomes on the run, he's doing all this wacky stuff. I think a lot of that whole Mahomes ad-lib stuff, what makes Mahomes great, he never misses layup. And about three times a game, he goes and does something you've never seen. This is the difference between John Morant and Michael Jordan. I watched Michael Jordan every big game of his career. Michael Jordan would score 32.

26 were mid-range jumpers. Three times a game, Michael would do something that nobody on the planet could do. That's very much the Mahomes model. Every basket for John Moran is spectacular. That's where you get in trouble. That's where Johnny Manzell just couldn't sit. in the pocket and throw darts. So people look at Mahomes and go, he's wild. No, he's not. Go to the Super Bowl. He had one great scramble that run on a bad ankle for like 35 yards. That's right.

That was one of the greatest things I've ever seen. And he had two throws I really thought were unique, but so did Jalen Hertz. This idea that you have to be spectacular. To be a superstar, you have to be spectacular, but infrequently. Ask a Laker fan. Kobe twice a night, you'd be like, Whoa. But Kobe would just come down the court, shoot a little three, end up with 29 points, 24 were not spectacular. I would say at least once a day on this show, you hit me something with something like Mission Impossible is the greatest action movie ever. And I've got to add lib. And listen, I would say I'm somewhere between Sam Darnold and Holmes in terms of reacting to some of your material.

Darnold gets in trouble when he has too much. He does. He makes, he's impulsive with a slow delivery system. But if you ask Sam to go back, get rid of it fast, and deliver it to Kittle or Brandon Ayuk, Sam's great. Yeah. But in the end, Purdy, I think, is better pumping, pumping, because Brock has limitations physically, so doesn't go places, he shouldn't go. And let's remember also Niners defense, they lose Domingo Ryan's, their defensive coordinator. They bring in, I think, Wilkes from Carolina.

He was with Donald, I'm pretty sure, in Carolina, right? So that's more newness. And again, one of the things in the offseason, again, this is for the hardcore nerds who like to gamble in fantasy. But you've got to look at all the offensive coaches changing defensive coaches. That is significant. And one that you had missed last year was Brian Daibble going to the New York Giants. That was a big, big win.

A lot of these other guys not always wins. So just something to keep an eye on, you know, coordinator-wise, when you're breaking down NFL team. I think it's a very good point, J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. for stopping by. The herd lie news. So have you ever worked with somebody in your life or been in any kind of relationship with somebody

and you keep giving and you keep given and it's just they become my least favorite thing. High maintenance. It's like, okay, we give, we give, we give, we heard you initially, we give. It's really interesting on Stefan Diggs, a receiver for Buffalo. So Minnesota, he complained. I'm not getting the ball. Buffalo, very unhappy. Held out of camp. Last year at the end of the year.

And so I went to the last three receivers who I viewed as sort of what you would call the classic diva label, high maintenance label. I did not count OBJ because OBJ was not a problem in LSU early with the Giants, L.A. or Cleveland. OBJ is not high maintenance. Went a little sideways for a while in New York, but I don't consider him wildly demanded. I don't. I don't think that's fair to OBJ. So the three I counted were Des Bryant in Dallas, Antonio Brown in Pittsburgh, and Stefan Diggs in Minnesota and Buffalo. So I went back and looked at Des. His knock was with a young Dak Prescott, I want the ball more. So I went back and looked

at his last two years in Dallas. He was number one in targets. Number two was a tight end. they were getting Des the ball. He wanted it more. Wasn't happy. I went to Antonio Brown with the Steelers. He wanted the ball more. I went to his last two years in Pittsburgh. 331 targets. Number one on the Steelers by a mile. I went to Stefan Diggs, Buffalo. I want the ball more. 318 targets, two times the next closest receiver. So I went back on Stefan Diggs to Minnesota. Ed Adam Thielen was taken away looks. Oh, yet he wasn't.

His last two years in Minnesota, he was easily number one in targets. Antonio Brown, Des Bryant, Stefan Diggs twice. At some point, four different quarterbacks have been blamed. or coordinators. Kirk Cousins, Josh Allen, Dack Prescott, Big Ben,

as they were targeting them significantly more, sometimes two times as often, as the next receiver. For the record, Pittsburgh had many other good targets. Minnesota had Theland, capable tight ends.

They're not happy. I'm not counting receivers. I didn't count. out T.O. That's too long ago. I don't think OBJ is high maintenance. I really don't. I just think it went sideways in New York. New York does that to young people. But at some point, this is not going to end well when the quarterback, the coach, the coordinator, the game plan gets blamed. And I thought this was interesting. This comment was very interesting recently from Josh Allen. So the bills went out. They're trying to find a dependable number two receiver and they got Trent Sherfield,

kind of an unknown guy in March from the Dolphins, right? He's not getting looks with Tyreek Kill and Mike Gaseki when he was there and Jalen Waddle. Here's what Josh Allen said about the new guy. I love what I've seen. Works hard. Doesn't complain about anything. Dude is rolling now. Again, I like Stefan Dix.

I think he's good. But we've all worked with that person that you give and you give. and you give, and it's just never enough. Antonio Brown's targets were insane. That was a team that had a run game. That was a Ted Levy and Bell, who also, I believe, is a pretty good catch out of the backfield guy, capable tight ends, other star receivers.

318 attempts, not enough. Sometimes you can't please people. And I think in this instance, I think the bills, listen, I think the bills go out of their way. They certainly don't consistently run the ball. When I think of the bill's offense, I think of Josh Allen's legs in arm and Stefan Diggs. Occasionally Dawson Knox. That's what I think of it.

I don't think of anybody else on the perimeter outside of Stefan Diggs. Still not happy. Maybe it's his problem. Not everybody else's. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Paulie Fusco here with Tony Fusco. Yo, of course you know us as the host of the number one rated show in all of sports talk, the Pauli and Tony Fusco show.

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So Chris Paul's mature, a willing defender, Poole's awful, worst defender they have in the team. Also, he doesn't turn the ball over. He's got a different style. Stylistically, he's different. But if they get another big with Kaminga, they can do some pick and roll stuff, which is playing into Chris's favor. So I think it works. And it gives them, again, stylistically, another way to play.

And Rick Buecker yesterday on the show talked about the value of that. The Chris Paul thing allows you to save money in the long term. And it's one of those moves where you go, okay, you know what? We're going to have another adult. here. Chris Paul gives you an option to play two different ways. That's what was the secret sauce with the Denver Nuggets. They could play fast. They could also

play slow. At some point you need to be able to slow down and be effective. So I can make a case where Chris Paul fits, but I also believe what this does is it just expands their options. Okay, and we showed you something earlier.

Chris Paul's not going to be the second best player on the team. Steph's number one. And although Draymond is probably the most valuable second player. Wiggins has often been in the series against the Celtics, the finals, he was the second best player. So we showed you, didn't show you. I talked about the window earlier. If you go to the last 10 championship teams in the NBA, both your players can't be in their 30s. They have to be experienced. You don't see a lot of 22-year-olds here outside of Kauai Leonard. But you've got to have two guys.

both can't be in the 30s. So Yokich Murray, 28, 26. Sorry to the radio audience. Curry and Wiggins were close, 33 and 26. Middleton 29, Janus, 26. LeBron 35, AD was only 26. So you go down. Now, Durant and Curry were both 29.

By the way, the following year, they got hurt. KD did. So age is a thing. It was actually two years later. So you see the numbers here. You can't have two guys in there 30. And if Wiggins is your two, we don't think Clay will be the second best or Chris Paul. It could be Draymond.

But if it's Steph Curry and Wiggins, Steph will be 35, 36. Yes, next year, Wiggins will still be in his 20s. So you do fit into that paradigm. You fit into that window. You can't have your new best players in their 30s. And Wiggins, remember, don't look at Wiggins postseason this year because he missed, what, 30 regular season games. So they inserted him in the playoffs after not playing for the last two months. Andrew Wiggins is a former number one pick.

In the finals against Boston was the second best player, gave Jason Tatum trouble. He's a really good player. He may be a two, but he's a really good player. He's your two. Chris Paul's not your two. Clay's not your two. Draymond, as much as I like him,

in every playoff series in the last several years, he has clunkers. He does. He disappears. He'll have a couple clunkers. Then it'll be great. Wiggins doesn't really have clunkers. There's times he's not as valuable,

but you kind of know what you're getting. when he's healthy and ready to play. So that's my takeaway, is that they're making this move, and they're making it for two reasons. They're not asking Chris Paul to be the second or third best player. What they're asking him is, can you be really immature,

be great with the second unit, bring your historically low turnover rate to the team, and by having a very solid second team. That makes us better than last year, where there was the Steph side, and then man over, board when Poole was on the floor with turnovers and inefficiency. And J-Mack, you don't buy that.

Okay, so this is tough, Colin. So you said Wiggins missed 30 games. He actually, remember, he missed 45 games, it looks like. Due to that absence that was really never... So 45 games, that's significant. They had a lot of disruption. Clay Thompson missed 13 games, not a lot. Steph Curry only played 56 games last year.

So Jordan Poole ended up starting 43 games. for them. He averaged 30 minutes a night. You're replacing Jordan Pool with Chris Paul. What if Chris Paul has to start 43 games? Okay, first of all. What are you going to do? Wiggins had a personal situation. It's fair. Probably not

going to happen. That's reasonable. We would hope not. Kuminga, it's reasonable, we'll play more. Moses Moody had a very nice postseason. They're now trusting him more. He'll have to, yeah. Gary Payton wasn't also around a play last.

Last year and the regular season. So Moody's going to play more. I think he had a nice postseason. He averaged 13 minutes a game. He'll barely played. He'll get closer to 1820. Cumingo will play more. Okay.

I'm just saying. Wiggins won't be gone. Curry's going to be 36. Don't doubt that. But also, they just went and drafted Clay 1A. He'll absolutely be in the rotation. So you have between, so Chris Paul's not going to be asked to play movie minutes. Under, Chris Paul will have to start 25 games for the Warriors.

Under. I think you'll start about 20, and I think he'll play about 24 minutes a night. Okay, so all those games missed resulted in them almost being in the play-in. They were the six, but nearly the seven. Okay. Why? Not because they were a bad team. They were horrible on the road.

Also true. Why? Chemistry. That's out the door. So you get Moody more minutes, coming in more minutes. You get Wiggins not gone. you get a kid you drafted. I mean, he really is going to come.

They know he's going to come and play. So all of a sudden, I also think they're going to add at some point a big. We're they finding a big? I know I sound pessimistic and I'm anti-warious. Maybe I sound too optimistic. This is fun. The back and forward. But Chris Paul, to me, is going to be asked.

It's like when you brought Juju Smith Shoesterover. Okay. And he's obviously hasn't had the career to Chris Paul. You weren't asking him for 140 catches. You're like, dude, can you be big and big spots? He was? They moved him. I mean, they came in and said, we don't need you to be Travis Kelsey.

You don't have to win games. But we need you to be an eight target, six catch guy in big moments. He was, it was perfect, and they moved off him. And I think they're asking Chris Paul, 24 minutes, run our second unit, we'll get you a big to do some pick and rolls with comminga and a new big. Just bring maturity, lower the turnovers, make our second unit viable. Not great. Just not a disaster.

So is there, are you kind of saying that pool is addition by subtraction? Getting him out equals more mature locker. Chemistry is better. Maturity's better. Turnovers reduced. Okay, now let me push back. Chris Paul historically has got into it with teammates. Go look at Lob City.

When things went awry, Chris Paul's pointing fingers at Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. How do their careers go when Chris left? That's also true. Oh, Hardin's kind of a nutbag. Chris Paul can be demanding. Two players who can't handle an adult. Hardin, Blake, Gianre Jordan,

championship organizations. Well, you know, Chris Paul ain't going to point the figure in Steph Curry. He's the guy he owns the locker room. He's also mature. And he's got Draymond with his back. I'm very curious.

Like, who could Chris Paul talk to the way he talked to other teammates? Can't say that stuff to Clay? Smart guys. You cannot say it to Draymond Green. Not say what? Whatever problems you've got, because Chris Paul's had beef everywhere.

He had beef with DeAndre Aten. Now, I'm not saying it's a good player. But historically, if you go to five different stops. You know people in sports media who have worked at every single network. And guess what? They've been the same dude at every network. They get in fights.

They move on. Let me ask you. He didn't get in big fights in New Orleans. He didn't get in big fights. When he was like 23, fair. Okay. He didn't get in big fights at Wake Forest. He didn't get in big fights at Oklahoma City.

Did Devin Booker and him not get along great? He was in Oklahoma City for like seven minutes. But he got along. Phoenix. Houston. Who did he struggle with in Phoenix? The same guy Monty Williams struggled with. Also true.

So Chris Paul struggles with people who struggle. Anybody on the warrior struggle? Not really. Nobody. Okay. No, the guy they shipped out of town. I do like how you become like, I'm pushing you toward being a warriors guy and you're pushing me as to I don't like the warriors.

But it's weird because I, I'm not saying Chris Paul can't get a little prickly, but he's being brought in not to lead the team. Dude, you're leading the second unit. Chris Paul's smart enough to know, like, this is not Lobb City. Yeah. This is not the Sons, where I, by the way, saved them. Phoenix was a mess, even with Booker. And they were a mess.

So he's being brought in to lead the second unit. Somebody had told me that Chris Paul has never come off the bench in his career, and that's a fact. Basketball stats, he's played 1,214 games. He started every single one of them. Colin, he's been in the NBA since age 20. 17 seasons, never come off the bench and told, hey, you're leading the second unit.

How's it going to go over with Chris Paul? Well, we win championships here. You don't have one. We want to your way or are way? Come back to our trophy room. Let's go look at yours. There's nothing on the shelf. At some point, you go, what we do in nine years, we got four of these puppies.

I agree with that sentiment. But I would like, just like how you want to ship Clay Thompson out of town, I do too. I want to see the Warriors go to tell a 17-year pro who is considered the point God, according to the NBA Twitter meatballs. 17 years as a pro, never come off the. bench once, not playoffs, not regular season. Never come off the bench. And now he's going to be leading the second unit with Cominga and Moody. Hey, clean up that second unit back there, would you, Chris? I'm very curious to see how this goes over, Colin.

Are you going to tell me Chris Paul, Steph, Clay, drafted Clay's backup, Wiggins, Looney, Draymon, Wiggins doesn't miss 40 games, chemistry's better, fewer turnovers, they're not going to make the playoffs? I think they're, I think they're a playing team right now. Seven. Wow. All right. Hour number two.

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