The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - NCAA Hit Michigan Where It Hurts, TJ Houshmandzadeh talks Shedeur Sanders

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

Doug Gottlieb, in for Colin, reacts to the details released on NCAA's punishment for Michigan related to their sign-stealing scandal. Former NFL WR TJ Houshmandzadeh joins Doug to explain why he thinks Shedeur Sanders' attitude is good for his future in the league. Plus, is it time for the Rams to panic over Matt Stafford's injury?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is The Hurd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie. In for your boy, Colin Cowherd. And for the next couple of hours,

I want to talk sports with you. This is weird, right? So Colin moved to the Midwest, following me, right? Let's just be honest. I followed him to Fox to where I grew up in Southern California. Then he follows me to the Midwest. But now I'm in California and he's in parts unknown.

Hey, this is just a thing. I have to state this because it's true. Obviously, Colin I for years have gone back and forth about the backwards thing that he has. Right. But here's my thing. I'm going to state this because I know it to be true. A lot of you saw our boys. Colin Calhard at LiveGolf last weekend, right?

Okay. Can we get together and form some sort of petition or have some sort of on-air teaching, Colin, how to wear a hat? Because if you're going to criticize others for wearing their hat backwards and how it looks, that's fine. Then I'm going to criticize you for not understanding the basics of how to wear a ball cap, which is you don't put it on top of your hair so that your hair is still showing. That's not ball cap wearing 101.

Everybody knows it. And when you wear it that way, much like he believes you have your hat backwards, you wear it that way, it gives off the perception of you're trying to be a younger bro. It's not actually, I disagree. But again, he's talking about perception. I'm telling you the perception is that guy's never played a sport in his life, definitely never played baseball if he doesn't know how to. wear a ball cap. Is that fair?

Okay. So I just, I wanted, I was waiting for this day. Maybe the last day I fill in for Colin. Very possible. Okay. I love my boy. But I saw him last week and I was like, can middle cough? Middokoff doesn't have this because he has no hair, right? He, he, he, he fired it before it quit on him. I got it. Colin has great hair. That's real hair he's got there. There's no implants, no nothing. That's a real, real mop. And he's been living. on this hat backwards thing. You got the Cowboys coach turning his hat around.

That really happened this year. Great. Mission accomplished Colin Cowherd. But dude, what are you doing? All right, let's get to the story of the day. Michigan was levied fines and suspensions.

And look, I don't know if this comes to be. And the reason I say that is, I'm actually a coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which is Division I program. We are under, you know, NCAA rules and regulations just like anybody else. And what I have come to learn first observing as a basketball analyst and a radio show host and a TV yacker. And now I know is the general thought in college athletics of the NCAA.

And the NCAA is not some darkonian organization made it out to be. It's just the conglomerate of schools. And, you know, it's like being mad at Congress when there's actually, you know, every state has the, to vote their rights. They vote their opinions for their constituents. And you just say, I don't like Congress. Well, yeah, well, there's 50 states, so you don't like the individual representatives. These are the individual schools. but there is the Board of Infractions, right?

The general thought for most people is, no matter what rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose. Now, here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the past couple years. The new rules and regulations in terms of roster limitations and this opt-in that our program is a part of and most college athletic programs outside of the Ivy League are a part of.

All of these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof. There's a reason that they're put in place. They feel like they're lawsuit proof. And they'll stabilize things for the next couple of years. Dream scenario, maybe even 10 years of some form of stabilization. So I say that because when I read to you what Michigan's been punished, just to understand that it's very likely that Michigan appeals and sues and tries to get of it.

Right? Okay. So I don't need to go through what they were doing with the sign stealing. I can only tell you that in my opinion without seeing how much Jim Harbaugh

knew, it's one of those hey, I don't care. You're doing advanced scouting. Give me the calls. Get them for me. Get me the calls. And when you're running a program as big as Michigan,

in my program, you know, my email right now, I have to do every, I'm a CEO. I have to worry about every little different department. And, oh yeah, by the way, much like Doge, what can we cut? What can we keep? How little can we spend to get the most out of it? Because we have to compensate the student athlete now.

But I'm going to commend the NCAA. Look, do I think this was a dog and pony show? I do. Do I think this was, do I think there's another Conor Stallions out there? I'm not sure. I don't know. I do know that every college program, basketball or football, tries to figure out what the signs are for the other team.

And that's what you do. You're not allowed unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball to scout in person. So you watch on video and if they pull on their ear, if they tug on their jersey, if they tap their head, you try and figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing so you know what's coming. and if you can't pick it up on video or if you can, you call somebody who's played them because every coach has an assistant or a manager that's sitting on their bench

and when you say, hey, that's earpool, it's earpool, write that down, earpool, what is it? Then you go in at halftime and you make sure that you have it listed so if they pull in their ear in the second half, this is what they're doing. And usually you know beforehand because you've talked to coaches that have coached against them because they keep a running tab of what they're calling and how it coincides with what they're doing on the floor. Make sense? Okay. So my point is, I'm not excusing the behavior of Michigan.

I'm just telling you that everybody on some form or fashion does it feels like they overdid it and they got caught. And then they won. But once they started winning, they probably, they didn't have this program in place and they were in people's heads. And oh yeah, by the way, if you didn't know sign stealing took place, why do you have a three different people putting the signs out because two are fake signs, right? You know they're looking. So let's not act like you're surprised that there's somebody in the stands or some video camera trying to get it.

That was Bill Belichick's entire argument. Right? We filmed the game. They're running in signs at the game. Why can't we just film the sideline and then what coincides with on the field? The big question for Belichick was, were they filming practice? That, of course, is a no-no. and most coaches are incredibly paranoid.

If they say a video camera running when they're in an empty gym or an empty stadium, okay, they'll freak out, they'll have somebody go put a towel over it or whatever they do. I mean, heck, if you played youth football, and I did, you know this,

right? Before the game, you'll be running through plays. What do you do with the players who aren't involved? You line them up so that the other coach can't look down and see what you're doing, right? And every high school football coach, college football coach has been paranoid for years at practice at covering up what you're doing.

You know, high school coaches especially making sure there's empty stadiums when they're running through their game plan for the next day. So let's not act like we're surprised that this happens or that Michigan's the only one doing it. They got caught doing it at a higher level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it. Here's the punishment. Four years of probation, financial penalties, a $50,000 fine plus 10% of the budget of the football program. an equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition revenue sharing associated with the 2025, 2006 football seasons, a fine equivalent to the cost of 10% of scholarships awarded to Michigan's football programs in the 25-26 academic year. A 25% reduction official football visits in 2526, a 14-week probation recruiting communications in the football program during the probation period.

and then Conor Stallion's eight-year show cause Harbaugh you knew he had a 10-year show cause Denard Robinson wasn't he his nickname when he played or shoe strings when he played there as quarterback three-year show cause restricted from all athletically related activities that's actually a big one that means he can't really coach in college football whereas the show cause means you have to show cause for hiring somebody it doesn't mean you can't coach you can't get the job you have to just go through a infractions committee and say you're sorry and say you've improved. It's much like the probation department, you know, when you're trying, remember the start

of Shawshank Redemption where you have to say that you're a changed man type deal. And then Sharon Moore got a two-year show cause, but he's still the head coach, so that doesn't matter. And he's suspended a total of three games. Michigan imposed a two-game suspension for this year. The panel says he's got to be suspended one additional game. Do you want to know why it's an awesome punishment? Because it hits them in the wallet. Hey?

They're not taking down a ban. that we know they earned and that you can't do you guys remember men in black right remember the little silver thing that will smith or um Tommy lee Jones would hold up and press it and everybody's memory would be erased your short-term memories is zapped like don't you wish that occurred in life when that be so cool you're like in an argument with your girlfriend your wife and you're just like, too. Like, what were you even arguing about?

I don't know, babe. How you doing? Right? Reset. Well, it's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know. Okay. Men in Black called it a neuralizer.

There is no neuralizer where we can hit the button and Louisville's 2013 NCAA championship is a race for our memory banks. Right? We all saw it. Okay. We saw Trey Burke cleanly. blocked Peyton Siva. It didn't get called as a clean block. It changed the momentum of that game.

And Rick Petino's Louisville Cardinal and Luke Hancock and the boys end up winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, no banner. Nobody's giving back their rings. Nobody's saying I'm not an NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish a university? And the answer is you take their money. Right? And who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot of money. 10% of the budget of the football program at the University of Michigan? Okay, we calculating coaches' salaries in the budget? Yep. We calculating recruiting budget?

Yep. Are we calculating rev share in that budget? I don't know. It's going to be a lot of money. Now, I'm guessing Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue because it's a lot of money. And as much as lawyer fees are a lot of money, I just, 10% of, of scholarships award to Michigan football program. Okay, so what is it, $80,000 scholarship a year?

10% is $8 grand. Eight grand times, what do you have, 105 now in college football? You do the math. That's a lot of money. But that's just that $800 or so grand. Plus, you've got to take what you were going to get, and you're like, well, what if they didn't make the postseason? Now, what they're talking about is everyone in your league gets a portion of the postseason

revenue. You get, I believe, two shares if you play, and then if you win, you get additional shares of it. So that's a lot of money. Now, they didn't, and I apparently can't take the TV revenue. They can't take the in-stadium revenue, right, where you're making probably, I don't know, Michigan, 100,000 people. I can only estimate between $100 and $150 million per year from in-stadium revenue. So they'll be fine.

Don't get me wrong. But taking away the money is the only way to truly, truly punish college sports programs. because it is all about the money. Now, you want to know it hurts the most? I would not want to be the coach of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball, swim and diving, right? I feel terrible for Michigan hockey, women's basketball,

because Dusty May, they raised a bunch of money. They got a squad. I know. They wanted to play us. We don't want to play us. And we're like, eh, I don't really want to get 40 pieces by Michigan.

No thanks. Not into that. Hey? They got a squat. I don't know what their budget is, probably $10 million. Right? Maybe.

Maybe more, 15? I don't know. They have a top 10 program. They're awesome. Right. And they already have the contracts for their roster of football players, right? Those, those contracts are done. They have to pay those players. And I'm guessing it's

somewhere in the $20, $25 million range overall with salaries, right? Because Ohio State was, they won the national championship. Everybody said they were kind of top of the, top of the heap in the low 20s, 20 million. So you got to calculate one, Michigan's going to try and get to that level. And then two, there's some sort of inflation. Can we say 25 million? great. Then you got a factor in the coaching staff. You're talking about, I don't know, somewhere in the $50 million variety. They have to be, you have to be competitive in football. You have to be competitive in basketball because that's where you make your money. So what I love is that they hit him where it hurts. Again, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it. I don't know all the facts in the case. And I don't have the time to kind of delineate how big a deal this actually is. I do.

think that this is kind of classic NCAA and it's like anything else like you know supposedly this is Ohio state fans finding this out turning them in we saw what likely Texas fans did to John mature this week it's like you allowing fans to matter is a mistake in litigating something like this in my opinion allowing them to be whistleblowers and oh my gosh gotcha hey you because what that does is now Michigan fans are going to have their cell phones on and try and find Ohio State guys and, you know, there's all this, you know, all this back and forth. But whatever, hey, they did a lengthy investigation.

This is what they found out. And for years, it was scholarship productions, right? And taking down banners. Well, you can't take away scholarships now. Because if you take away a player's scholarship, you say, hey, instead of, I think it's 105, I'm sorry, we don't have a football program. I don't care about those numbers. It used to be 85.

And what they've done is they've done instead of scholarship limitations. It's roster limitations. It's roster limitations. And again, we were told that the reason they did roster limitations says scholarship limitations is they're lawsuit proof. That this is how sports can survive lawsuits. Well, you're not cutting scholarships. You're simply cutting roster spots. That's all you can have.

You can do every spot can be a scholarship. or half of them can be scholarships or none of it can be scholarships. You can do whatever you want within your own domain if you opted in and Michigan, of course, opted in. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin.

This is the Hurt. Fox Sports Radio, Iheart radio app. What you need to know is, what you need to know is, Michigan got hit when it hurts. Got hit where it hurts. In the wallet. In the wallet.

And if you ask any Michigan coach were administrator. For years, they felt like, despite the fact we're Michigan. That the hardest part for them was raising the money and getting up to the level of Ohio State because Ohio State has never cared about anything

other than how can we put the best team on the field. Michigan liked to have the academic repute. Ohio State just wanted to win championships. Ohio State's run fast and loose with rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay? I'm guessing probably Michigan did too. Only they like Notre Dame, like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally got to the level of full investment from the university on the football program,

and now they're losing, what, 10% of their budget and all of their post-season revenue. And my guess is what that hurts most is all the Olympic sports, the ones that you don't hear about. Olympic sports are pick the one you don't soccer, hockey. track and field lacrosse any of those ones their budgets chopped

and what you do is then you move it over cleverly to Michigan football well you can't we cut the budget there's always ways always ways what do I know

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He joins us now in the herd on Fox Sports, radio. Hush, Shador Sanders. So, the good is, after the first couple series,

it looked good, you know, look confident, deliver the ball with accuracy, move well in the pocket. Like, I'm not going to sit here

and tell you, I know the quarterback position like you do or like, like coaches do, but look, it wasn't like he didn't look like

he belonged out there. He looked really good. But that's the first preseason game. It's not with the ones. It's not against the ones. And, There's a lot of quarterbacks that have looked good that are young, that are inexperienced, and that are not starters.

What's your assessment of Shador at this point in time and how he looks? I thought he looked great, to be honest with you. And you're right, he wasn't going against the ones. But very rarely do we see a quarterback drafted in the fifth round play this way in his first NFL game ever. We haven't seen that. I don't know if we can recall a quarterback that wasn't drafted. in the first round playing like this, his first game. Now, obviously, we would like to see how he would perform going against starters,

but when you watch that game, the touch, the anticipation, he played on time. That translates. Now, maybe that first touchdown thrown a back corner against the ones, when he threw that ball, I was like, ooh, that's a pick. Oh, great throw. Maybe that's an incompletion. But he just trusts himself. so much. And when you play with confidence,

it sucks that he's not going to be able to play this weekend because of his oblique injury, because I would have liked the scene how he would have looked tomorrow. But that was a first step in the right direction. He should be proud of himself, but we know this playing

sports. It's not what you did yesterday. It's what can you do today and tomorrow and every day moving forward. Okay, so let's get into it for a second. I actually, you know, it's interesting. I love the path that he had playing college football from this perspective. And is he went to a level that was honestly well below his level of competency coming out of high school, right?

He was like a three, four star, whatever. And, you know, he's recruited like Southern Miss level. So instead goes to Jackson State. Obviously plays for his dad, but he gets to start for two years. Then they jump up and he gets to start for two years at Colorado. And because he's, I mean, this is honestly, who should, maybe this is a little bit too much in the you know, behind the curtain. But in recruiting at my level,

and really kind of at any level, but in my level, we don't necessarily want a power five kid transferring down. Because in order for a power five kid to transfer down to our level, he likely didn't play. So he doesn't have the confidence because he hasn't actually done it before. And because he was at a higher level, he thinks that he's better than he actually is

because our level is actually pretty darn good, right? So he did the reverse, which is what we try and do in recruiting, which is, hey, start at this level, kill it, and then go to the next level, get paid, but also play against better competition. But you have confidence. And we've recruited two D2 kids that have supreme self-confidence because they were dominant division two, one division three player.

Anyway, point is he's confident. He's well-rounded. He's seen lots of different football because he's actually played it. But what everyone said was missing was really two things, right? It was the lack of engagement in those meetings. And really it comes down to the feeling of entitlement. And then, too, from a football perspective, it's, does he have a big time arm? And is he a big time athlete?

Let's start with the entitlement piece. Does it, as a pro, as a vet, shows up, got the entourage, got a guy carrying his bag, somebody filming him, that's part of who he is. Does that affect the locker room at all? No. We got to understand, too, Doug. It's a new day and age, man. These young kids, young men, they've grown up in a influencer era.

Everything that they do, they want to record it. They want to have memories. They want to have everything on video. That's just what this generation is. And we got to get used to that. Like, the arrogance? Like, oh, he's cocky, he's arrogant. he may have been

but I promise you you want somebody with supreme confidence over somebody that has no confidence there's a middle ground there right I mean look what they try to do what they try to do is they try to dictate where he was going and so that was a lesson learned right

that was a lesson learned from them if that's what they try to that's a lesson learned but I promise you I would rather you be cocky no question then you have no confidence because the cockiness that many perceived him to have, he was somewhat humbled because of what happened.

I believe he's going to be a really good player because he has that, I can't be as cocky as I was if I'm trying to control what I go and I go in a fifth round, but I'm going to be me, and me is Uber confident, super belief in myself. And that goes so far.

And I think people forget that, man. If you don't have belief, you might as well give it up. You could not be more right. T.J. Hushmanzano, former Pro Bowl wide receiver, joining us. The wide receiver whisperer himself kind of spent some time here with us in the herd. That said, can you be, I know it's a new era. We could go back and forth on whether or not it's a new era for quarterbacks with that,

but I know it's a new era. Can you be that guy with a media, social media, entourage following, and be a backup quarterback in the NFL? No. Now, if you're a young guy, if you're a backup a year or two, possibly, but you can be a career backup and have that. No, I don't believe so. Now, the entourage is his older brothers.

And so is it really, I mean, that's a family member that's doing a recording as Dion Jr. And so it's tough to have an entourage and, people record you in this camera, that camera, when you aren't a starter. That is going to be tough. But once you become a starter, you're going to have to manage it. You can't, it can be over the top all the time.

You are going to have to manage it because now other players are going to feel they can do certain things that they've seen you do and they're not you. And so it's a fine line that they're going to have to walk, but it's so far away. I don't mind the video. Everybody is recording themselves.

Well, they're going to record themselves. They're going to go on live. They're going to go on TV. Whatever it is. Or they're going to have somebody do it and it's done the right way. And he's just doing it the right way instead of doing it himself. Yeah. He's the only quarterback to be doing it.

That's there. The positional part of it is going to be the interesting aspect. We've never seen a quarterback do these things. But, hey. Yeah. But A, did it to be losing? No, no, no, no. I'm just sitting like when the quarterback has always been the guy that is kind of quiet.

He's going to lead, but he isn't doing these things. But he's, look, his father may be the flasiest football player to ever play. Ever. Chains, and so he's been bred this way. No, listen, I got it. I just, it's like you said, you can't do it if you're a backup. and now he's hurt, gives other guys an opportunity. Maybe they fall in their face.

Like, I think he's more talent than Dylan Gabriel. I think most people think that. But Dylan Gabriel, personality-wise, is a great backup. But did you draft a guy in the third round to be a backup? I don't know. We'll find out. Let me ask you about Matt Stafford. So, Shami Vang comes out and says he's going to do some throwing next week.

He was supposed to do some throwing this week. It's what's the old yogi bear expression? It's getting late early. should the Rams be freaking out over Matt Stafford? I'd be concerned. If you haven't, yeah, you're Matt Stafford. I met Matthew Stafford when he was going into his sophomore year at Georgia, so it was long ago. He was a great throw of the football then.

He's still a great throw at the football now. One thing he's going to be able to do is throw the football. with great accuracy and great velocity. It will concern me that he hasn't practiced in training camp. That is concerning, especially when you say, okay, last Saturday he threw 60 passes. We'll see how he feels on Sunday the next day. So if he felt good on Sunday,

you at least would have practiced on Tuesday. And so the still not practice shows me he didn't feel good the next morning because if he felt good, he would have practiced. And so it has to be concerning. Like, they can spin it any way you want to spin it. If Matthew Stafford isn't practicing, something is bothering him.

And so if I'm the rounds, that's concerning because the rounds are super bowl contenders, but they aren't super bowl contenders that Matthew Stafford isn't under center. Caleb Williams. Can he play? Doug, I'll say this, and I've told people this.

If Caleb Williams does not have success, this won't go to the coach and stuff. We can't blame Matt Uber Fluse and the offensive coordinator. Ben Johnson is proven. Ben Johnson resurrected Jared Garrett. Ben Johnson had the number one offense in the league. Every year he was in Detroit, they were top three, four, five moving the ball up. We know Ben Johnson can get it done. This is all going to be on Caleb Williams.

Can he play? I'm going to say yes. But I don't know why you didn't play the first game. Like it's a new system. Very interesting. But I'm going to say, yes, Caleb Williams can play. They have the weapons at the skill position. They reinforce that offensive line through free agency.

But I'm slightly concerned. I'll say that. Who's you the best, man. We got to catch up in person. I appreciate you, join us. Thanks to be our guest in the hurt. Doug, I appreciate you, man. Take care.

That's my guy, T.J. Hushman Sata, former Pro Bowl wide receiver, the wide receiver for Whisperer. Whispers, joining us in the herd. Let's get to Greg Tooey with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Hello, Dugger. Hello, Gregory. By the way, do people call you coach now, or do they call you Doug? Everybody calls me coach. Does everybody I know who's a coach? I call them coach.

Yes, everybody in Green Bay. It's the weird. I'm going to start calling you coach, then. It's the weirdest thing. Well, you got to do the Green Bay thing. You got to go, hey, coach. Hey, coach. Hey, Coach.

A, Packers Lean. That's a little, that was a little. That's pretty close, though. No. No. Not too far off. Have you been to Green Bay? I have been to Green Bay.

Yeah, I've been to a Wisconsin game, football game. Oh, you went to Wisconsin. This was many years ago. We did a remote there, yeah. Yeah, next year they play Notre Dame at Lambe. Yeah, it was great. Madison's awesome. Madison, Green Bay.

I'm sorry, yeah, Green Bay, yeah. Madison is awesome. But it's not Green Bay. Yes. Dougger, we got a coach. Coach, we got a big series. I know, I know. We have a big series in LA this weekend in baseball.

The Dodgers and Padres facing off three-game series at Chavez Ravine tonight. Most layers. But now it's the Dodgers looking up in the N-L-West as they trail the Padres by a game. Mid-Aug-Dug days. Here was Dave Roberts this week on. LA falling out of first place after being swept by the Angels. We're where we're at. We put ourselves in this spot.

But, no, I wouldn't have expected us to be in second place right now. The Dodgers were being billed by many as being maybe the best team in baseball history. Oh, stop. There was a lot of that talk, Doug. We do that all the time. There was Donald's Day of the Biking. There was a lot of that talk. You know that when they lost their first game, people were like, oh, they're not going to go 162 and O?

How could they? Who are these people who thought? They were the best team ever. There was a lot. There was a lot of that out there. Don't pay attention to randos on social media. All right. Whatever.

Injuries, inconsistency, have killed them this year. But how worried are you about the Dodgers? Not. Are they still a lock to make the World Series? I never thought they were a lock, but I mean, you still have to put them as a favorite, assuming they get healthy. There's a lot of people that didn't think they did enough at the trade deadline.

And you look at what's happened to them. before and since the trade deadline and there's some legitimacy to that but if we dialed back to last year in the playoffs Padres were up two games to one everybody thought they had them dead to rights and talking a bunch of ish and the Dodgers bounce back and win the

series and then go on and win the World Series so I do think that what they got six against the Padres out of the next nine and the Rockies in the middle yep yeah look I would if you if you're anywhere below 500 in these next

six against the Padres. And oh yeah, by the way, you need to at least win two out of three against the Rockies. So if you're a couple over 500 after this next week and a half, then I think you'd take a breath. If not, like if it's an abject disaster,

I mean, they got swept by the Angels, which part of it is one of the good stories in baseball is that the Angels are not terrible. And I understand that we don't cover sports. We're like, hey, they're mediocre. But if you're an angel fan like I am, you're like, they're mediocre. It's kind of awesome. And they're getting closer, too.

You can see it. They're getting a lot closer. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, point is, I think you got to feel like they've got to win at least five or six out of the next nine. And then you can take a breath. If you go like two and seven, you got a problem. Can you start sweating a little bit?

Got a problem. All right, we'll wrap it up with this. Terry McLaurin continues to be a hold in a commander's camp as he waits for a new deal. This week, Cliff Kingsbury, their OC. He's starting to voice his frustrations with how the office. offense is still a work in progress as we move closer and closer to the regular season. Yeah, I think that's a work in progress. There's no doubt. I don't think until we get some of these other pieces back, we're going to know exactly what we are. We've had some good opportunities to see

other guys get work in these positions, but when you don't have your kind of projected top two outside receivers, you know, one of your projected or both you're projected inside pieces of guard, it's not going to really give you the chance to gel or really build that relationship until you get a bite of us on the grass. So that's something we have to get to over the next three weeks. I mean, I think it seems more likely than not that Jaden Daniels is going to tape some kind of a step back this year. A lot of people don't think so. But not having Terry McLaurin in camp isn't helping matters.

Daniels made people forget how great C.J. Stroud was his rookie year, based on how good, you know, Jaden was last year. But with every NFC team, NFC East team, game planning to slow him down, is it crazy to think that he won't be as good as he was last year? No. I mean, again, there's a, there's a chance there to, you know, a sophomore slump, if you will. First, we all know, Terry McLaren's going to be there, right? Sure, yeah. I'm going to get this done. Last minute. He'll be there. Keeps him out of camp, but I wouldn't be concerned. They start the year, right? Giants at home, a game that they should win.

Right? Game they should win. Everybody's healthy. They should be better and further along than the Giants. and, you know, Jane Dana's at this point in his career has a much greater trajectory than Russell Wilson at this point in his career. Then they come to take on the Packers, and that's a quick turnaround. It's a Thursday night game. Right? Now, the Packers will play the Lions, and then they play the commanders. So they go Giants at home, Packers in the road, Raiders at home.

If you start 2-1, you're good. So much of it's how you start and you start with momentum. Two home games against two very likely non-playoff teams. You've got to feel good about yourself if you're the same. the commanders considering the year that you came off. Is it possible? Yeah. I mean, the reason that that division was how it was, was who they crossed over against.

And this year, who they cross over against, it's going to be a little bit more difficult. They do have the Broncos, albeit at home. They do have the dolphins, albeit at home, and it's in November. So you got to feel like cold weather, that helps you out. You do have to go to the Chiefs. You have to go to the Chargers. got to go to the Falcons got to go the Packers

got to go the Vikings so there's some tough games I think what you're talking about is very honest very real remember commanders played a last play schedule and now they don't

so I do think there'll be some leveling of it if he doesn't level off then this guy's a super show still be yeah he'll be amazing that's the news well that's the news

and thanks for stopping by the herd line news and oh yeah by the way part of the whole why Jaden Daniels was successful initially was he had years and years of reps, Arizona State, into Florida State where he had an unbelievable, or excuse, into LSU, sorry, LSU, where he won the Heisman trophy, right? And that's a guy that played a lot of college football.

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I got a TV VCR combo, but it was white and open, open box, right? But that thing was money. That lasted post-college. Anyway, nowadays, you know, especially with young women, you take him to school, and there's crying, and then they're rushing for sororities. And, like, if you don't get picked for the sorority, you want, like, these women think, like, their life is going to end. It was like, okay.

the point is I put two in college last year two girls are twins and the adjustment for both was different at what point do you freak out and go like well maybe this is the wrong school for the kid right

and when you're from Southern California they all want to come home why because it's the old why is Southern California is so expensive you know what the answer is because it's worth it right it is

I love where I live I love what I do. But, I mean, again, if I was a rich person and I could live in Southern California and just chill, you don't have the lives that high school kids have? Because that's what they think. They think they go back in their high school life, right? Well, they don't have a lot of, they just, but that's not the reality. Anyway, when do you freak out? When is that moment?

Is it week three? Is it week four? Hey, get through the first semester. Because the truth is that it's the start of your second year. If you go back for your sophomore year and you're like, yeah, this is still not my place, that's probably really the time. First year is really weird. Murky. for Matt Stafford, when's the moment that we freak out about the back?

I don't think it's that big a thing that he couldn't after throwing, like, that's what old men do. If you go out and play basketball and you haven't played basketball in a month, you're going to be sore the next couple of days. And so you don't keep playing basketball and keep getting more sore. That's when you get hurt. Feels like we're a week away from freaking out of Matt Stafford. No freak out yet. No freak out yet.

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