The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - NFL Head Coach Hot Seat Watch

Episode Date: November 30, 2023

Colin previews the highly-anticipated Eagles vs 49ers game this weekend. Colin explains why the Cowboys shouldn't have a problem against the Seahawks tonight, and ponders why Caleb Williams says he's still undecided about going pro. Plus, which NFL head coaches could be on the hot seat?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Greg CoSell, NFL films one hour, as is customary on Thursday. J-Mack, the network at Fox, we have made a decision in existence. executive decision, no more bad games on the network. So this weekend, last weekend was Ohio State, Michigan. This weekend, it's Philadelphia, San Francisco. So the executive sat down, said no more bad games. So we're starting this weekend. This is the game of the year, right?

Do you believe that? I would say so, yeah. You know where I lay on this one, where my bank account is on this one. It's a big game. So San Francisco's going to Philly and they're favored. We'll get to that in a second. So the Eagles are 10 and 1. Best team in the league situationally.

Great roster. Got to the Super Bowl last year. They are so good in close games. I mean, I've never seen anything quite like it, right? But is there a downside to that? Oh, there is. We went back seven years, Super Bowl champs. 10 plus point wins.

You see, teams that win, the Super Bowl flex. They blow out teams. Now, you know that in college, but it's true in pro football. If you go to the last seven Super Bowl champs, Patriots had 10 wins over 10 points. Eagles 2017, Nick Folls 7, Patriots 8, Chiefs 7, Bucs 8, Rams 6, Chiefs 7. If you go back a decade, there's only one exception. Denver Broncos 2015, but that was that Brock Osweiler, old Peyton Manning Circus year. right? Like they couldn't get the quarterback thing right?

And that was also the best defense we've all probably seen in the last 10 years. Philly doesn't have that. In fact, in NFL history, Philadelphia has the second worst point differential for any team that's won 10 of their first 11. They don't flex because they can't flex. For the record, the two current teams that look like historically, They will win a Super Bowl. Take a deep breath. Dallas and San Francisco both have seven blowout wins.

Philadelphia's got two. Philadelphia went to overtime with Washington and was outplayed at home. They were in a competitive game with the awful Patriots. They've trailed, I think, at half last four games. The numbers don't lie here. College football national champions, be it Georgia or Michigan or Oregon, the three best teams in the country, they've got a half dozen blowouts. Cowboys blowouts, Niners, blowouts, last decade, everybody about the 2015 Broncos blowouts.

And again, that team had a great defense, maybe the best in the last 10 years. And you could say, oh, Colin, you're really reaching here, am I? Let's go back to the last several years. Who was the best team last year in one score games? It was the Vikings. They were 11 and 0. Quick exit from the playoffs. Well, what about the year before?

Well, let's go to 2018, the Cowboys. Nine of 10 wins. One score games. How did the playoffs go? They lost early. Seahawks, 2019, remember that team? Russ Cookin. 10 of 11 wins, one score games.

Seahawks out early, lost in the divisional round. history tells you how it works. College football, we've always understood it. The Natty, the champions blow people out, like half their schedule, sometimes more. But it works that way in the NFL too. You flex, lobsided. San Francisco going to Pittsburgh in the opener, beating them by three touchdowns. Dallas crushes teams, probably crushes Seattle tonight.

Philadelphia squeaks by even against average to bad teams. I love them situationally, but I like that one cowboy team and the Seahawk team and the Viking team. This is their reality. But Kyle Shanahan says, I still don't understand why we're favored going there. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but I don't really know how that stuff works. So I don't really know why. They do such a good job of balancing everything out with the dropbacks, the play actions, the RPO's, the quarterback run game, the regular run game.

So it's really impossible to stay ahead of them in terms of who has the chalk last. Who has the chalk last? This is not a criticism. This isn't really even opinion. And this is an opinion-based show. It's just data and facts. Super Bowl champs. Got to have about six, seven flexes, roll over teams, suffocate them, pin them down, pull away.

Philly doesn't have very many. All right, let's talk cowboys. They play tonight. They'll beat Seattle. It's got 3317 written all over at. Gino Smith, a pick. Dak thrown for 275 plus yards. Dallas is a great team at home, a great favorite.

They don't lose at home against average teams. Seattle's defense right now is below average. It does feel like a Dallas win. Who knows? It's interesting. I'll sit home like the rest of you and watch tonight. But what I keep going back to, and sometimes, you know, I'm a big believer in this, like if I was a pilot and, you know, I get a weather forecast like pilots do before the flight,

we got a storm that just moved in. I would alter my route, right? If I was a stockbroker, and I have loved the stock for seven years, and then I got some information that the CEO is selling his stock, I would sell mine. I've never understood loyalty to old news. I don't think it's flip-flopping. I think it's smart. New information, new opinion.

Mike McCarthy is not my favorite NFL coach, and I stand by that. Situational, I just don't trust him late. But I do keep coming back to this. We all bang on Mike McCarthy. Got to be honest. It's the best deck I've ever seen. So Mike McCarthy with Brett Farve went 21 and 11. Very good.

With Aaron Rogers, he went 98. 55 and 1. Very good. With Dak Prescott, he goes 29 and 15. Very good. And with Cooper Rush, you went 5 and 1. What's the common denominator? Colin, he got fired. So did Pete Carroll twice, Tom Landry, Bill Belichick, and Andy Reed. Being fired is not the end of the world.

Now, I would say in the NFL, we would have to agree that Bill Belichick, it's the truth, right? he's the most accomplished current coach. Got all the rings. Tom Brady's the most accomplished quarterback. You can't argue it. I do believe today because the NFL has pivoted to offense that Andy Reed is the current best coach in the league. And I also think there are three other offensive coaches

that we hold in very high esteem and should. Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan, and Sean McVeigh. Imperfect, really, really smart guys. But he all comfortable acknowledging that Mike McCarthy is in the next group of Pete Carroll, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Mike McCarthy, and Doug Peterson, Super Bowl winners who have clearly been able to, more than once, build a winning football culture. Yeah, I know. You're not comfortable with that. And I've had my criticisms, for the record, of Pete Carroll. I think he can be a little stubborn at times. Mike Tomlin,

little tone deaf with offense. I think Sean McVeigh can get a tad cute at times. I wish she ran more. Sometimes Shanahan's a little too tied to his system. So there are no perfect coaches. But if you look at the coaching tier in the NFL today, most accomplished Bill, best now Andy, offensive gurus, McVey, Peyton, Shanahan,

then it's five dudes who have won Super Bowls, hoisted trophies, all of them for the record. you know, I mean, Peterson's the only one that can say I won with a backup. I mean, don't we consider Tomlin, Peterson, McCarthy, Harbaugh, Pete Carroll? I know you want to push back on McCarthy. And my takeaway is he won with Cooper Rush. It's the best deck I've seen. It's arguably the best Aaron was.

He was good at the end with Fav. And by the way, he's made, and he's known as a passing guy over a running guy, He has made this CD-Lam DAC combo top three in the league. Can't deny it. You watch it every Sunday, I do. So, you know, I just keep coming back to this. He just keeps winning. Three months ago, I didn't think Dak was going to play like this.

I didn't think Dallas was going to blow out seven teams. But you get new information. Did you think Dallas would blow out seven teams this year? Did you think C.D. Lam and Dak would become a top two to three combo in the league? Did you think Dallas looks like they could go to Philly and outplay him, lose close? Probably be favored the next time they faced him. I didn't, but it's new information. Mike McCarthy is better than we want to acknowledge.

He's imperfect, like all of them. All right. J-Mack, I'm feeling it tonight. I don't, I always have a hard time giving 9, 10 points for a game, but Dallas wins these home games. Yeah, okay. They win them convincingly. Seattle's defense, for whatever reasons,

despite personnel upgrades the last two years in the draft, has regressed over the last several weeks. Geno's banged up. So I think Dallas, again, it's a 10-plus win. We like going head-to-head. I'm on Seattle. I made the bet this morning, nine and a half. Waited for the 10.

Didn't show up. Hey, could you pull back the coaching tiers for me? Because I thought there was a name missing from there. Any chance we could get it on the screen? Yeah, here we go. I'm looking for the guy who's number one in the league right now. He went to the Super Bowl. And Nick Siriani did not make in the list.

Nowhere? Not one of the top coaches in the league, Colin? McCarthy, by the way, has one playoff win in his last five seasons coaching. That's it. How was McCarthy ahead of Siriani? Just because he won a Super Bowl? I don't know. Yeah, because he's built twice powerful teams and hoisted a trophy.

Now, Saryiani, if you recall in Philadelphia, struggled early. Shane Steichen took over play calling. They were great. Stuyken leaves. The offense has not been the same, and they're in far more close games. Last year, Philadelphia blew out eight teams. This year, they go to overtime with Washington. So they're as an offensive coach, the offense has regressed.

So we're penalized, yes, I would agree, a little regression. We're penalizing for being 10 and 1. No, what I'm saying is it's all contextualization of a topic. Siriani calling plays early, and Seriani now, Philadelphia can win games. The Shane Steichen superpower left, they're not the same team. I would agree. By the way, I can like Nick Seriani. There's 32 coaches.

I just named like eight. It's just not many. I don't know. I also have... Judge him on the postseason, and McCarthy has been an immense let-down. in the postseason. Oh, good, for the record. It's interesting you bring that up.

I also don't have Matt LaFleur. Matt LaFleur with Aaron Rogers in the playoffs, two and three. McCarthy had a winning record and a trophy. So who's better? LaFleur or Mike McCarthy? Who's better? I would lean McCarthy.

I'm not as sold on LaFleur as you are. I wouldn't say I'm sold. He didn't make my list. But you got LaFleur or Siriani? close. Yeah, that's a close. I think they're both more than capable, more than capable. But it's funny, your pushback, think about that, and this is really my point, your

pushback is, how is Siriani not over McCarthy? Because one has a ring and one is rebuilt two powers. Shanahan does not have a ring. He's known as the guy who cannot come back to win games, O'N 37 when trailing by eight or more in the fourth. And all Nick Sirianni's Eagles do is come back and win games. That's all they do. They dominate fourth quarters.

I mean, the Siriani stuff is wild, how good he's been so quickly. I'm not denying he and LaFleur are very good. Mike McCarthy's been doing this five times as long. I mean, it's, and for the record, winning in Green Bay, everybody just thinks it's easy. No owner. You don't get top free agents. Homegren won, McCarthy won. Last year with Aaron Rogers, Matt LaFleur didn't win.

and this year they're not winning. So we've all made, and I think Green Bay drafts and develop very well. So it was all this when McCarthy left, Aaron kind of pouted and didn't Aaron, right? And then, oh, save the day, Lefleur. Lefleur just off a losing season in a weak division. And now this year. So who's the better coach? Final question.

New information. Now, McCarthy's rolling. Lefleur's crossing his fingers that Jordan loves the guy. Who's the better coach? What's the best performance McCarthy and the Cowboys have had this season? Well, they've blown out seven teams. I think going to Philly when they outplayed them was really impressive. And losing.

Yes. All right. There's a trick question because I started to look this morning. I'm like, what's the Cowboys' most impressive performance? But if you go to your average Reddit board. I don't do that. I know. Either do I.

But I've been before. And at this time of the year, here's what you hear from everybody. Who have they beaten? Well, we have to acknowledge there's, 10 to 11, very good teams in this league. Okay, so let's not, I mean, again, if they beat Seattle tonight by 17 points, that's hard. Pete Carroll does not get blown out a lot.

So you have to give teams credit for blowing out other pro football teams. Washington went toe to toe. They beat Denver, who's the hottest team in the league. Like Washington went toe to toe over time with Philadelphia. Dallas beat them by, what is it, 25, 30 points. You got to get people credit for the knockout. You know, in boxing, if you knock people out in the first two rounds, you get credit for it. More than a decision in 11, 12, you know, 10 rounds, right?

Yeah. So there is something to be said. Knockout power, as I showed you with the Super Bowl champs, is a real thing. Super Bowl champs eight blowouts on average. They blow, they flex. They blow teams out. That's right. More than just winning.

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Two shots at the Apple could return to school. I don't believe this is true. I think he's going to go pro. I think it would be a big mistake to stay in college probably. Go pro. Don't get hurt. Go challenge yourself. So there is, and this has to be acknowledged, there is, and I've heard it around the league,

a growing concern about certain entitlement stuff, intangible concerns. This, of course, was Caleb Williams' first bad season, bad in terms of winning and losing. nobody questions the talent, nobody questions the traits. Go to your message board. He's the number one pick. Nobody questions that. Nobody questions that. But this is the first bad team, and he showed signs of sometimes not feeling like he was really engaged.

And you better get engaged fast because Chicago, Arizona, and New England have the top three picks and bad rosters, and you're going to lose. In fact, the staff looked it up this morning. the only number one quarterback pick ever with a winning record, ever, Andrew Luck. For the record, he got pushed back. I had to defend him for years. That's it. So Caleb's going to lose a lot of games. But here's where I would back him. First of all, traits, talent, indisputable. But anytime anybody in life is the first person or the most significant person of note to experience something, where do you go for advice? What's the roadmap?

He is the first and highest paid NIL star at quarterback, five million bucks a year or more while in college. He made half, he made more than half the L.A. Rams last year. Does he go to his college coaches for advice? What advice could they give him? They've never had a $5 million college quarterback. LA's a glitzy town. He made more money than 15 of 16 USC coaches.

Half the Rams. The fifth highest paid person on USC's campus, that includes the president. Where do you go for advice? What is the roadmap? He's 20, what, three? I mean, look at your social media account. Most of you haven't achieved this much. and you've got all sorts of attitude.

Nobody's ever experienced this. Well, what about Colorado quarterback stop? Colorado, USC, different brands, different world, different markets, Boulder to L.A. So I will push back on this. He made more than 15 to 16 USC coaches and all the players knew it. He was on national commercials all season. Made a lot of money. And there's nobody he can lean on and go, dude, how did you handle it?

What's it like when like teammates are coming up to you and you feel like you got to buy everybody everything every day? So this is new territory. It's uncharted territory. It's no advice territory. By and large, I thought he was fine. I think sometimes he could get, and this happens to younger people, can get a little moody and bad games, whatever. I've watched a lot of NFL quarterbacks bark at people on the sidelines.

You know, some people are confrontational. Some people go off in a shell. Aaron Rogers would grab that, you know, grab his jersey up front and stand by himself. So would Jay Cutler. Quarterbacks, you know, Kyler Marie can do that. They all do it differently, right, when they're having a bad game, a bad Sunday, a bad Monday. But he's going to lose a lot, and he hasn't lost a lot. But this is actually now losing is not uncharted territory.

But this year for Caleb Williams, make it half. I mean, seriously, go look at the L.A. Rams. annual salary chart. I think it's on like real GM. He made more than like 70% on the Rams, I think. He's like, college campus, eating in a dining hall, or a pizza joint across from the USC campus. He was a little moody, got kind of full of himself a little.

It's uncharted territory. I get it. J. Mack with the news. This is the herd line news. So we're going to start with Aaron Rogers returning to Jets practice yesterday, just 11 weeks after tearing his Achilles. Rogers has reportedly been targeting Christmas Eve against the commanders for return. Starting quarterback Tim Boyle.

I don't think I've ever heard this guy speak. I don't know what he looks like. He's talked about what it was like having Aaron Rogers back. That's always nice having Aaron back. The quarterbacks were joking around. He hasn't skipped the beat. It's like he never left. You know, it's obviously you could tell his presence was missed.

But, you know, coming back today, same joking, happy individual who, who brings a lot of energy and wisdom of this offense and this team. So we're grateful to have them back for sure. Very interesting. You, I'm out. I'm out. What do you mean out? I'm out.

I'm out. I'm done. Forever? No. Just for right now, man. You're out this year. I'm just, this storyline is stupid. That's what it is, right?

Would you agree? 11 weeks, Colin? Well, this is a bad old line. It's a bad old line. It's one thing if he was returning with the Lions O line or the Cowboys or the Eagles old line. Then I would be like, well, you're not going to get hit much. So for fun, I just called up the Jets offensive line. Okay. Starting right guard is someone named Max Mitchell.

I'm not really familiar with his work. They drafted him a few years ago. Lincoln Tomlinson, we hope, is starting. And then there's a bunch of guys out here who made, Dwayne Brown, who's 37. You know, he's playing Santa in like a Christmas thing this weekend. I don't know if he'll be able to make the game. It's just, it's really a sad state of affairs. and the idea of Aaron Rogers being immobile in the pocket behind this crew. Come on, man. Do you want to watch that?

I don't know that I do. It could be... This is what desperation looks like. Thanks for reminding me. I'm just... As America's honesty broker, I have to say these things publicly. This is what desperation looks like. Can we reveal that some people in the Jets watch this show

and you might have a lifeline to the organization? Can you just put in a call? Just say something. Guys, don't do this. I have defended Sala. I think Joe Douglas and Sala are excellent, not a fan of the ownership group. I don't think they're... Here's what I've found over the course of time.

And I'll get into this before the end of the hour. Bad teams and franchises always think they're just a coach away. And they never are. The Jets have four major issues. That's all? Aaron's health. O-line. Not enough weapons.

need more draft capital. They really do need to move one of their defensive players and get more draft capital because they need multiple offensive line upgrades and they can't afford them on the market. So their first pick has to be left tackle and I think there's three really good ones, one great one, they'll get that. But they need a second round pick and there's one way to get it. Move one of those defensive players. They have got to and Joe Douglas is a good GM.

I know he missed on Zach Wilson. It was a COVID year. All those COVID quarterbacks, I mean, we can now kind of look at the COVID year where the schedule was wonky. We overvalued all, it feels like almost all, of those COVID quarterbacks. So, you know, Joe Douglas and a lot of GMs like Zach Wilson. So he's not the only guy. Bexton, they needed a left tackle. He was okay this year, but he's just the injuries.

It's every year he's hurt. Wade injuries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fail, Mary was. embarrassing on Thanksgiving. It was, I've never seen anything like it. I haven't either. Aaron Rogers going out there and just crumbling again.

That's rock bottom for those. For the record, does Aaron realize, and he's smart enough, I think he does, losing, there are times in your NFL career, losing's not terrible. And one of them is when you can go from the ninth pick to the eighth pick to the sixth pick to the fifth pick and get Brock Bowers, the Georgia tight end or the Penn State left. tackle. There's no value in winning now. This is not a playoff level team. There's no value. The value is for Sala. The team plays hard and doesn't embarrass Robert. There's value in that. But what they need is a great game. That's not embarrassing him?

Well, what I'm saying is if they're competitive in loot, you can be competitive. So they lose to the Falcons 2320. They play their butts off and they just don't make plays at quarterback. Salah's fine. What you don't want your team mailing an end and the owner looks and says, you lost the locker room. You can lose games. You can't lose the room. So losing gets them. They need another weapon.

Brock Bowers with Garrett Wilson, with Breece Hall. You have a star at three levels. By the way, Brie Hall banged up this week. They don't even know if he's going to go. You know how you lose a locker room? You know having Zach Wilson is your backup quarterback? And you know how you lose the locker room further? Putting Tim Boyle in over Zach Wilson.

Like, it's near the end. Anyways, I'm really sick of talking about this team. Let's go to the next story. Jordan Love, you know, you, you, You had some moments with Jordan Love earlier this season. He had some ugly moments, and now, Colin, he's starting to look like a pro. Packers have won three of four. Tough one this week against the Chiefs.

But Jordan Love is talking about what he's been and done to improve his performances of late. Yeah, I feel like it's just a comfort, being comfortable in the pocket. Obviously, getting more reps, more reps is being comfortable with my reads, understanding what the defense is doing, where I need to go with the ball, and just growing and learning every rip I get. And obviously learn from mistakes, learn from the good plays, but I think it's just comfort. There's four things we can all acknowledge he's good at. He's good on the mic when he asks questions.

He's very good on the mic. He's tall. He's mobile. He's tall. No, I mean, he's a tall kid. He's short quarterbacks don't see the field. So he's a tall kid. He's rangy.

He's got a good enough arm. He got a whip on him a little bit. And when he talks, he sounds like a, you know, he's a mature kid. Right? Check, check, check. Also, you have to acknowledge. He can be erratic. He misses open receivers.

Accuracy is not an easy thing for him. So I think there's a lot of things here. I really do. I want to see the next few games. Remember, the Chargers have the worst defense in the league. He ate it up. The Lion's secondaries, a bit of an uncorrectable mess. He ate it up.

So we have Chargers. The defense is not good. Daniel Jones last year against the Vikings. Oh. Yeah. You get to a bottom defense. Yeah, Bosa, I think, got hurt in the Chargers Packers game. Everybody looks great against the Chargers defense.

So the Lions game was encouraging, and I think if you watch Jordan Love, and I was highly critical of him, he looks much more confident. There's no question. He's still an erratic thrower. But, you know, he's a big kid that moves well, and, you know, he's clearly coachable because he's getting better. So you know he's not everybody's coachable, by the way. A lot of kids get stubborn. A lot of guys have never been coached hard. He took a lot of heat from his coach, so he can be coached hard.

That's a very good thing. and I love their weapons. So, I mean, if I was a Packer fan today, I would feel different than five weeks ago. But I'm a little, he can be sometimes not see stuff and be erratic. That's also part of what he is right now. Are you surprised the Packers are taking money here? It was Chief 7.

I think it's down to 6. Yeah, Chiefs, favored by 6. True, but this Chief's defense after like a, you know, they got reamed out in the locker room against the Raiders, and then what happened in the second half? They just destroyed AOC in the Raiders' offense. I like Kansas City in this spot. Chief defense is underrated, man.

But I will say this. We have watched the Zach Wilson's and the Mac Jones. We've seen Daniel Jones. We've seen quarterbacks and went, can he pick it for me? But when you watch Jordan Love, I can acknowledge, like I thought he had no confidence

early in the season. The last three or four weeks, I can watch him and go, oh, I see something. Like, I see a first round. Like, I get it. You see a little bit of his year before he left Utah State when I went to YouTube and watched his highlights, you're like, well, there's something there. Is that when he led the country at interceptions? Well, no, his last year, before that. Yeah, yeah. But the year before that, I went to YouTube and looked at it, and I was like,

oh, there's some, I get it. Like, he's got a whip. He moves. He's, he's. Is this a blazing five pick, by the way? Might be. Interesting. Final story. This is a little out there, but, you know, the Bill Belichick rumors are out there that his time in New England is ending. Well, Cam Newton said the Panthers are hoping to land Belichick as their next head coach. Cam also said he thinks owner David Tepper would give Belichick everything he would need. I'll let you take this. I don't buy it. Why in the world would Bill Belichick?

The one thing Belichick can't do is draft skill people. The only team in the league with worse skill people than the Patriots are the Panthers. It's a terrible fit. Now, the money could be a factor here. No, no, no. Bill's making 20 large a year. He doesn't give a rip. Tepper goes to 30.

What does he carry? He's one of the richest owners in the league? When you make what Bill does and you got $100 million in the bank, he has a compound on Nantucket, about five homes, Jupiter, boats. Bill's done for, Bill's NFL pensions. Money is not the driving factor for Bill Belich. He is way past that. He wants to go to a place.

Like, to me, Bill would look at a place and go, Justin Herbert, Keenan Allen, some young, that's attractive to Bill. Getting a quarterback, like, in receivers. I mean, Bill's smart enough to know. I haven't been great drafting skill people. I mean, Bill's no dummy. And Carolina lacks some trap capital. What about, this is a bit of a Hail Mary, but if he's ticked off at how it ends with the Patriots,

does he look at the bills? They fire McDermott and they say, Bill, come on. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no question. You got your quarterback. That's the one that Bill, first of all, Bill lives in the Northeast. He's comfortable with it. He may not move out west.

The Buffalo situation is very interesting. that one is very interesting. Is it not? I love it. I thought the Herbert thing made sense, but again, you'd have to pay Bill 20 million a year. And the Spanos family doesn't pay that money for coaches. They don't. That's their history.

I don't know that he do. Is there a connection to Chicago at all? I don't think so. But again, he went to like the Naval Academy. I think he's a coach guy. He just had a young quarterback. I think he's over it. He wants somebody who is proven.

He tried the Mac thing. I think he's over trying. to generate the next Brady. You don't know what you're getting in college. There's just kids are different these days. Brady's from a different generation, sees the world differently, acts differently. Brady, you could hard coach.

I've heard Mac Jones is not a guy you can hard coach. Is Caleb William a guy you could hard coach? I don't think he's going with a rookie. It's Kyler Murray. There's a lot of guys in this league. I mean, Jay Cutler was a really talented quarterback. It was hard to coach. Aaron can be at times difficult with coaches.

It's, it's, I think Josh Allen, nobody says Josh Allen's hard to coach. And there's still an argument, Greg Kosell would make this argument, that it's not Patrick Mahomes, that Josh Allen's the actually the most talented quarterback in the league. Mahomes has the offensive coach. No, Mahomes is talented, but 6-5, 250, mobility, arm strength. He's really, really good. Can we just leave it at that and not compare to the games? Come on. He's great. He's a great talent.

Yeah. Belichick is climbing over men, women, and children to get that coach. job to coach Josh Allen. Get back at the Patriots. Oh, I think he, that sounds absolutely. It's what we do here. We float hot takes that are interesting and likely. I don't think it's that hot of a take.

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So all the, you know, Dion haters, they don't like that at all. And I just say, hey, first of all, it's probably AI generated. It probably wasn't even written by a human. The second part is, or it's the liberal media. Oh, boy. Listen, it probably wouldn't have been my choice, but sportsman of the year is, not a standing. It's not like who finished first.

There's a broader scope, broader context of what it means. And Dion Sanders in September literally changed network television ratings. And I thought it was a fascinating story. So Sports Illustrated or one of their computers wrote a story and selected him. You know, the sports writers who were people actually voted Dion Sanders sportsman of the year. I just see so much. there's so much hate for Dion Sanders and I'm telling you I'm a West Coast guy right I've lived here a lot of my life

Colorado football has been good like twice for an hour the fact that it's interesting is remarkable because the state doesn't produce high school stars they don't have any money you know it's not an athletic department of note in America and he made it fascinating and I think we all sort of fell for it I don't care I was wrong it was I had I love watched all their snaps for about a month. I think the runner up to this award was Travis Kelsey so they could maybe sell

more copies. You know, Dion's going to move some copy. People are going to buy Sports Illustrated because they care. You couldn't put like Nicola Yokic, who was amazing and won them. You can't just put them on the coach. Nobody's buying that. Nobody cares. So this is more of like an award to sell magazines, right? And Dionne Sanders,

people are interested in the story. He's creating a fire. Well, you lose your credibility if you start doing that. But Sports Illustrated got busted the other day for AI article. so maybe they've lost a lot of their credibility to begin with. I'm not going to take shots. I'm not taking shots.

I'm just saying that's what happened. Yeah, yeah. So I didn't think that was shots. I think what's what happened. Losing credibility, not a shot? Well, you're using fake people. It's not great. So we was thinking this morning,

there's a lot of talk about Sean McDermott getting fired, and I've been very critical of Sean McDermott, but just be careful. You better have somebody lined up because everybody knows Sean McDermott's a good coach. I don't know if he has a second gear. He looks like a cleanup guy. I'm already Schottenheimer, a Chuck Knox.

I'm not sure if he's the next level win the Super Bowl guy, but there's no question. It's a very good football team. So it's interesting. I'm going to give you a chart here, and I'll go slowly for the radio audience. So here are the coaches that have already been fired in the NFL. Raiders and Panthers fired their coaches. Here are the coaches on the hottest of hot seats. And I don't think McDermott's one of them.

the Tampa coach, the Bears coach, the Jets coach, the Washington coach, and the Chargers coach. Seven franchises. Either losing franchises, ugly recent history, or talented like the Chargers, and perpetually underachieve. Businesses that aren't successful always think they're just a coach away, just in a CEO away. It is so much deeper than that. And the truth is, great candidates in any industry are rarely available because they're locked up by better organizations and better companies. Andy Reed was available for an hour. Kansas City scooped him up.

Sean Payton was available for a year. Denver scooped him up. Pete Carroll had gone to the playoffs twice in New England. USC, Seattle, he was a very good candidate. Belichick got to the playoffs. playoffs in Cleveland. When he went to New England, that was a very good candidate. Doug Peterson and Jacksonville.

Won a Super Bowl. It was on the beach for a few years. We kept saying over and over, somebody hired Doug Peterson. And also, I know you don't want to hear this, but Mike McCarthy was Super Bowl winning coach who'd built a culture before. So, none of these candidates that I

just mentioned, McCarthy, Belichick, Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, Doug Peterson, Andy Reed, had to learn how to be a head coach, and none had to learn how to win as a head coach. They'd all done it. So using that criteria, there are only two great candidates available this year. Dan Quinn and Jim Harbaugh. Both winning records, both got a team to a Super Bowl, both know how to win.

Those are your two great candidates. Maybe Ben Johnson, Detroit OC is good. maybe Shane Waldron, Seattle O.C. is good. But there are only two great candidates. Dan Quinn, Cowboy, D.C., one more than he lost in Atlanta, got to a Super Bowl, and Jim Harbaugh. Joel Clat, I asked him yesterday about Harbaugh. Has the mood changed on Michigan NFL for Harbaugh recently? Two weeks ago, I would have said, nope, like, he's going to be a Michigan.

Now I'm not as sure. I believe that the week of the Maryland game was a real point of demarcation, you know, where the hearing was dropped. We're going to go ahead and just Jim's going to serve the three-game suspension. We're going to fire this linebacker coach. And even though they didn't do this, there was some like almost an acknowledgement or admission that like, okay, like hand in the cookie jar. the way it's going to go. He doesn't feel that that's the case. So, in review, bad organizations

are always sure they're just a coach away. It's never that. It's usually an impulsive owner, a cheap owner, a meddling owner, bad line play, wasted draft capital, multiple whiffs, weak roster. It's never a coach away. And the best candidates, and there's only two really good ones this year that are going to be able to win because they've proven they can win before and get to Super Bowls. It's Harbaugh and Dan Quinn. Both come with strengths. Both Harbaugh tends to like to pick his players. Dan Quinn probably not as dogmatic on that. Harbaugh's better offensively building an offense. Dan Quinn's better on the defensive side, I would suspect. But they'd be very careful in Buffalo. Not a lot of candidates. You get Harbaugh. You get Dan Quinn. Okay. But, and again,

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