The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Niners win ugly, Brock Purdy is not that guy, Browns are sticking with Shedeur Sanders, Lane Kiffin has always been this way

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Colin Cowherd breaks down the San Francisco 49ers escaping with an ugly win over the Carolina Panthers, despite Brock Purdy’s three-interception performance. Colin explains why Purdy’s struggles reinforce his belief that the young QB will never reach true elite quarterback status in the NFL He explains why the Browns are sticking with Shedeur Sanders for the rest of the season and why people shouldn't be overreacting about the possibility of Lane Kiffin leaving Ole Miss.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What are we going to do with those Chicago Bears? Will they make their first appearance in the herd hierarchy? Great to have you in today. You know, it was so fun. Because Brock Pretty was obviously awful last night. And in the first half, I thought, well, he had a toe injury. And I thought, all right, I said it on my podcast at the volume last night. I said, he's obviously can't drive the ball.

Every one of his interceptions was behind the guy, and they kind of hung in the air. There was no zip on the ball. And Purdy came out after the game and said, it had nothing to do with my toe. Oh, so you were just awful against Carolina that has no pass rush. Listen, we watch Matt Stafford on Sunday night football. That's a Hall of Famer. Mastery of the position. Big arm, pre-snap, looks left, fires right.

Last night you saw two average quarterbacks. One's making a fortune and one wants to make a fortune. Five picks total, multiple bad throws to open receivers. And remember, the NFL's not baseball where we care about history. It's not the NBA where style matters. The NFL when you're a quarterback, it's about your last 20 starts. It's about now. Last 20 starts, Matt Stafford, Brock Purdy, and Bryce Young.

Matt Stafford's 43 and 5. That is an elite franchise quarterback. 43 touchdowns, five picks. Bryce Young at least has a 2-1 touchdown to interception ratio with a bunch of kids at wide receiver. Brock Purdy, 30 touchdowns, 19 picks. And by the way, on Monday night football, he presses because he wants to show everybody in a stand-alone game. Hey, I belong.

Monday night football in his career. Five touchdowns, 11 picks. 75 passer rating. So I said in August, Rams are going to win the division, best roster. Seattle's close. San Francisco third. In fact, the only two things with the diners this year that have blown me away, Robert Sala deserves a head coaching job. What he is doing without Warner, without Bosa, without Fungus, without Fungus.

now with Denver. I don't know how they're doing it. It's just kids. And I mean, Bryce Young was great a week ago. He was atrocious last night. So, and Christian McCaffrey is, I mean, honestly, he should get paid overtime. I mean, he is the offense. But everybody keeps trying to convince, Colin, you're tough on Brock Purdy. No, no, no. You're trying to convince me he's elite. If you'd stop doing that, I'd stop talking about it. Well, he's smart. So was Aristotle. I need elite quarterback traits, arms, size, mobility. Like Bryce Young, it's not a franchise quarterback. He's a bridge quarterback.

He's not a backup. He's a bridge. But nobody's trying to convince me he's an all-timer. So you guys keep trying to convince me, this is what it looks like. When he had a stacked roster and people didn't have a lot of film on him, he was at Iowa State and he was healthy. It was kind of fun. And he moves pretty well. Said it last week after the Arizona game.

He moves pretty well. But do you know since he entered the NFL, he leads the NFL on interceptions on first down? Leads the NFL. That is the easiest, most favorable down to pass on. So last night is three picks. They were all behind the receivers. None of them had any velocity behind him.

So he may say the toe is fine. It's not. You can tell. He's not at 100%. But on throws down the field last. Last night he was one for eight with three picks. But this year on throws, just 10 yards down the field, he's the NFL's worst quarterback. One touchdown, seven picks.

So, well, Colin, once you make $53 million a year, that's more than Mahomes and it's more than Matt Stafford. If you made $12 million a year or you had Bryce Young's contract, I wouldn't care. Or if you weren't trying to convince me, my eyes don't lie. Yours don't either. Those three picks. Those are not $53 million a year throws. In fact, ask yourself this. After the game, listen to what? The reporters ask Kyle Shanahan. Listen to this. I mean, you got to think about all of them why it's happening. You know, it makes me a lot more hesitant if they're all bad decisions and stuff. But he was seeing it right. They're all really good decisions. Just miss the throw on them. So, you know, I think it is a lot worse when you feel like he's not making the right decisions. Yeah. He was asked to that answer.

He was asked if he considered benching Brock Pruty. Has anybody ever asked if Joe Burrell, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, Justin Herbert should be benched? Again, if you make $53 million, you can never ask that question. I think you should maybe consider Mack Jones. What? you're paying him $53 million. I'm not anti-Brock Purdy. He's fine. But he's really inconsistent,

not good throwing downfield. That's all I'm saying. If you stop trying to convince me he's in that upper crust, then I'll stop talking about it. Okay, so I don't think Shadour Sanders is upper crust, but I want to talk about this. He's going to be the starter for the Cleveland Browns.

I would imagine the rest of the way. I think we've seen enough for Dylan Gabriel. So over the course of my life, and you've probably noticed this too, there are certain people that walk into a room and they take the oxygen out of it. They're negative, they're risk averse, they're rigid. They like just suck all the energy and oxygen and vibe out of the room. And then there are people that come into a room and they're optimistic and they've got a little juice and they've got a lot of confidence and they want to take a big swing in life.

That should be Sanders. I don't care about the stats. Watching him and then watching Dylan Gabriel, one guy. plays it safe, and one guy throws it down the field and take swings. And pro football locker rooms are 55 alphas. It's guys who take swings. It's aggressive men. And Robert Griffin the third, RG3 on the show yesterday said he noticed that. When you watch the game, the Browns played with more energy, more purpose, and more excitement than they have all season long because of his ability to make the extended play. And with that,

comes mistakes. He'd do a bad interception, but he bounced back really well off of it. I think he has the pulse of the team, the pulse of the city. He is self-aware that he believes he is going to be successful. So he speaks confidently. He walks around confidently, and that is why he's not afraid. Yeah, I mean, when I watched him against the Raiders, and it's the Raiders, but it's an NFL team, it looked like Colorado Shadour, throws the ball down the field, and he's accurate. Dylan Gabriel plays it safe, right? And bosses. love employees who play it safe and never get the boss in trouble. He runs all the plays.

Shadur doesn't. He plays with more confidence. He takes more risks. Dylan Gabriel, do you realize this, led the NFL? He was last in the NFL in yards per attempt this year. Dylan Gabriel. Shadur Sanders led the entire league this Sunday in yards per attempt. They're the opposite.

They're literally the opposite kind of quarterback. So, in my take, if you're Cleveland is, you're not going to get rich in life investing in 401ks. You can get comfortable or content. Dylan Gabriel's not even a 401K. He's that savings bond. Grandma gave you when you were nine. Like there's just no upside.

It's safe. He's not taking any risks. But I think in pro football locker rooms, that kind of pulls the energy and the juice out of the room. You got 55 NFL, bodies. I mean, Miles Garrett's reaction to Shadur Sanders is, oh, this is fun. We got a guy. So now I think Shadur is a little goofy. I like my quarterbacks to be serious and intense. I really like Peyton Manning. I really like the intensity of Lamar Jackson, who gets mad at himself.

I like serious, intense, totally focused quarterbacks. And Shadur's a little goofy. He's a little casual. I think sometimes he's a little juvenile. He feels like a kid. But I don't think you can deny that there's a different feeling when he's the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. It just looks and feels differently, and that's why he should start.

A little goofy for my taste, but he does add something, as RG3 talked about. And by the way, I have no problem with joyful, funny, professional athletes. Somebody told me this year's ago, if you're in a serious profession, like accounting or tech, have a sense of humor,

Lighten up. And if you're in a funny or an entertainment field, music, sports, comedy, take it seriously. Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld take comedy seriously. So did Lennerman and Lennon. They take comedy seriously. It's a real career. Ricky Jervase, it's a real career. I like my quarterbacks in entertainment, my musicians, my singers, you know, it's Mick Jackson, Paul McCartney, Bono, they take it seriously. John Bon Jovi is still touring making money. Take it seriously. When you get into sports, I like really focused,

because there's goofballs everywhere in entertainment. Music and the movies and comedy. There's goofballs everywhere. In those kind of careers, I think he got to be a little bit more serious. To me, Shadoor's a little goofy for me, but he's a joyful kid, and I think he should start. All right, Jay Mack. Listen, I know it's a rough day.

you love Brock Purdy, but I think America, after the first half, we all summarily agreed that was awful football, not just quarterback play. You know what I couldn't figure out? This Rico Dowdell is one of these NFL running backs. You're like, can you just give him the ball? Why didn't Dave Canales get Rico Dowdle six attempts? He's your Christian McCaffrey. I mean, say what you one about Kyle Shanahan, the entire offense drives through Christian McCaffrey. You have your Christian McCaffrey. Is he as good? I don't know, but Rico Dowdell is a really, really fun player. He got the ball six times out of the backfield. What are you doing? It was a wacky game. Was it not? It just fell all around like the Purdy interceptions. And listen, I'm going to, I'm going to pull a you

last week, you know, member Sam Darnold threw four picks against the Rams and you're like, I don't really care about interceptions. You're trying things. Brock Purdy was trying. things last night. None of them worked. He had a bad half. It was bad. You flush it, you move on. I am worried, however, about this Browns game. Because his defense at home is nasty. Oh, let me just tell you right

now. I have revised what I said yesterday. Cleveland plus six and a half points at home with cruddy weather is the bed of the weekend against the Niners on a short week. That's the better of the weekend. Remember a couple years ago he went to Cleveland and had a loss. They were missing a couple weapons.

Yeah. But this is going to be a difficult game for him. And I'll be honest, if you ask me, Jayback, hey, what the hell was wrong with Purdy? I think in an island game, he was pressing a little bit, knowing that Mack Jones had a good run, and he's coming off the injury, and it was in his head. You know, like, it happens. Listen, Brock Purdy has been bad on Monday night football. Five touchdowns 11 picks. I think it's a showcase. He feels a little bit of pressure. He wants to show he belongs. In the one o'clock window, or when he's playing Arizona, he's magic. But I think he was pressing totally. last night.

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So watching this Lane Kiffin circus just cracks me up. I mean, Old Miss knew what they were getting when they were hiring Lane Kiffin, who will a decision Friday or Saturday where he's going to coach. They knew what they were getting. When I hear this, even from people at Fox, well, it's going to ruin his reputation. Lane Kiffin's reputation is offensive wizard. That's it. That's why USC hired him, the Raiders hired him, Tennessee hired him, a school in Florida

hired him, and Ole Miss hired him. He didn't hire him because he was relatable. He was a nice guy. He was loyal. Well, I know Lane, I like him. I've had a cocktail or two when he used to do that. He's interesting. He knows his stuff.

And Ole Miss wasn't naive. College football, folks, is Bitcoin. It's unregulated. It's the Wild Wild West with a lack of corporate structure. Every man for himself. And college football allows you to steal another program's coach. Don't be mad at Lane. Be mad at LSU in Florida.

I mean, you guys are supposed to all kind of be in a conference. You've defended each other for years when you were all cheating in recruiting pre-NIL. There was always a rule. Don't rat on the SEC. Right? Like everybody kind of knew until Hugh Freeze was so ridiculous at Old Miss doing it. They had to call him on it. So, but this idea, well, this is, you know, the only time anybody is disappointed with Lane Kiffin,

when Ole Miss doesn't score 35 points? That's when he's disappointing. because since he arrived at Ole Miss, they're the number one offense in the country by a mile. And that's why it gets jobs. This idea, listen, Ole Miss, don't marry the rock star and find out he's cheating on the road. That's the reality of this sport. Whenever I hear the media get precious about college football, it is Bitcoin with a whistle. It's totally wild, wild west.

They can't even get the schedules right, and I love the sport. USC hired a guy named Clay Hilton. Wonderful guy. Family, faith, and football. You know where he's at? Georgia Southern. There are certain traits the great coaches have. Saban, Urban, Dabo, Harbaugh, Lane, Kirby Smart.

They all have the same traits. It's not warm and fuzzy. It's not loyal. It's aggressive, intense, and hyper-competitive. And I've met all of them, and I like all of them. I love Urban and Lane and Jim and Davo and Samp. I met all of them. Haven't met Kirby Smart.

But he kind of feels like it's the same thing. So this idea, you know, everybody's like, and the media cracks me up, it's like, well, when are we going to get an answer? When Lane wants to give you one, go ahead, fire him, see if he gets somebody that good. Well, you know him you're defending him. No, I know college football and I'm defending him. In the NFL, you can't go poach Andy Reed in the middle of a season. College football allows it.

I said this yesterday. Wall Street, Silicon Valley, or sports. If you allow aggressive men in the prime of their career to just jump from that job to that job, they're going to. They're going to. That's their nature. That's who they are. Lane is an aggressive, dynamic wizard offensively looking for the next great challenge and wanting to be able to compete annually for national titles.

Here was yesterday. I mean, the old media is freaking out. and Lane is just kind of rolled his eyes. Like Keith released a statement on Friday saying that you, him and Chancellor Boyce had had a meeting about your future. Are you able to elaborate on the nature of that meeting at all? Very dark question, but we're not answering anything

that doesn't have to do with the game and the team this season. For you, when you think about how the last two weeks has kind of played out, is there anything if you could? You would change. Well, I mean, you say that, but people said the same thing about the Ford game. You know, that there was all this distraction and how could the team focus? When Keith says expects a decision on Saturday,

is that a decision that's been made, or is that still in consideration? Like, they were just curious about that. Yeah, so, I mean, you can just keep going. I'm not going to answer them, so that's three of them. He's going to have to wait. Sorry, beat reporters. You're just going to have to wait on that.

But Ole Miss couldn't possibly be naive when they hired Lane Kiffin. They knew they were getting an A-plus-plus recruiter and an A-plus-plus-plus, plus offensive guy, who has a history of, like a lot of coaches in college football in their prime, wanting to land at a job where you can compete for a national title every single year that often recruits itself. Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma. There's a handful of those. Ole Miss is not one of those.

Good program, fun program, that's not one of those. J. Mack with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's get started with this Philadelphia Eagles debacle, up 21-0, Colin, against the Cowboys, and they choke it away and lose. Sequin Barclay said after the game, he felt that Dallas, quote, wanted it more.

Okay, let that sink in and then listen to Nick Siriani, who vehemently disagreed with him. Obviously, they went and they got the win. So there's always things that factor into it as far as, you know, our determination, our effort. I saw that it was high. And I think, like I said, we were. Obviously, Sequin felt something last night. And, you know, he's got a great pulse for everything. But, you know, as you watch the tape, you know, as you look at the tape,

which, you know, obviously after the game, we don't have the luxury of looking at the tape before we go in and talk to you guys. But I felt like the effort was really high in that game. Yeah, I don't know. Offensively? I still, I don't understand how the offensively. offensive coordinator isn't falling under more scrutiny, Colin. A lot of people are cutting up clips from these three-and-outs,

and the play sequencing is just awful. It's very predictable. And the Cowboys defense, which got run early in this game, was able to stop everything. I don't know what the concern level is for you with the Eagles, but... Well, it's a really good roster, and they tend to figure things out, but we're just going to have to acknowledge Sequan's not going to be great this year,

and the defense has better than the offense. Now, I still think they're going to win multiple playoff games, and it's one game, but we've seen multiple halves where they're literally six three and outs or five three and out. So it's a reality of what they are. Defense is going to win playoff games for this team. I mean, a couple downfield throws. Jalen is very good downfield ball like Russell Wilson, Devonte, A.J. Brown, but they're not going to run the football in the playoffs. They haven't run it all year. They're not going to, so they can't rely on it.

Yeah, you wonder. You have a 14 point blown lead against the Broncos in the fourth, 14 point blown lead. If that doesn't happen, if the offense can do anything, we're looking at by far the best team in the NFL, right? Yes, absolutely.

And yet, we're all panicking about them. Very strange times, by the way, bears, your bears, getting seven. Now, I know you're a big Black Friday guy battling people at malls trying to pick up stuff. You're not going to miss Bears Eagles, right? No, no, I'm not. All right, let's move on to the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson.

So I don't want to say they got exposed a little against the Jets, but the Jets had traded Sauce Gardner, Conan Williams, and really bottled up this offense. And a lot of the focus now is coming on Lamar Jackson. He's averaging career lows in rushing attempts, yards, and touchdowns. Obviously, he had the injury. He's been sacked on 11% of his dropbacks by far the highest of his career. You don't want to say he's getting old because this guy's still in his mid-20s.

but, you know, is he not healthy at this point? Like, what do we know? And again, if I'm in that media scrum with Harbaugh today, I'm like, you know, it's a Lamar 100% because it doesn't appear to anybody that he's. No, he does not have the juice. He's not 100%. I'll say it again.

Brock Purdy wouldn't come out and make an excuse. Brock Purdy is not at 100%. His ball last night, all of his picks were behind the receiver. Why? He didn't have any velocity. Okay? I mean, so Brock Purdy's on 100%. If you watch Lamar Jackson, he didn't get slow in the last two months. He's not in 100%.

I've talked to players in the NFL about this. Even Tom Brady's like, nobody's totally healthy late November. Everybody's dinged up. It doesn't matter if you're doing Pilates, yoga, everybody's dinged up. It's cold. It hurts more when you get hit. I watch Cincinnati. I watch Baltimore this past weekend.

That offense for Baltimore is, you think, Philadelphia is out of rhythm. They are just making it up. There's no sequence. To me, when I watch them, they're broken. Like the Packers were a few weeks ago, I feel like Baltimore's broken offensively and has to reboot.

Yeah, it does not look good. And Kyle Hamilton, did you see he went down against the Jets? He is like a huge chess piece for them. Listen, I don't like anything about the Bengals. The defense is a joke. The coach is not good at all. I'm considering taking the seven points here against the Ravens in the divisional matchup.

Yeah. No T. Higgins, by the way, he's been ruled out with a concussion. Final story, Colin, this is an ugly one, college football. So Brian Kelly is really getting in a legal back and forth with LSU over his firing. Colin, this is ugly. I mean, this is going to get expensive. Hopefully, we get this sorted out quickly. But essentially, Kelly and his lawyers are alleging that LSU is holding him back from getting another head coaching job.

LSU is saying, hey, man, we don't owe you $54 million. because we fired you with cause. And they're like, what's the cause? And LSU has nothing. They have shown nothing. And they're like, well, we didn't actually fire you. It was a dismissal. And it's like, Colin, again, I know you think this whole Lane Kiffin stuff.

It looks shady. LSU looks really shady to me. Yeah. If you're Lane Kiffin and Jimmy Sexton, I know he watches this show, are you advising Lane? Do you want to go into that? No, I don't, I mean, listen, again, I would stay at Ole Miss or go pro.

Go to the Tennessee Titans. That's what I would do if I was Lane. I think Florida is a better job than LSU. For me, lifestyle, quality of life, Gainesville, not that far, you know, from the Atlantic Ocean. I think Florida is a great job, top five or six job in the country. But my guess is LSU, more desperate, will pay more money. Well, you've talked about this all the time with jobs. Management matters.

Oh. And like, I know LSU, oh my gosh, they won national championships. Ed Ogeron, Joe Burrow. Look at currently right now what's going on there? And you really want to go into that? I wouldn't. Do you feel you could trust those guys? No.

No. No. That's the answer. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. So I saw this headline this morning.

I'm going to throw up at you that I think it's an arbitrary number. That everybody in sports sees it as a number having value. And I see it as an arbitrary number. number that doesn't really mean anything. So Mike Tomlin and the Steelers have not had a losing season in 21 seasons. But there's a story this morning. Is the hot seat heating up? Well, he hasn't won a playoff game in eight years.

He would be fired if he was the Eagles coach or the Cowboys coach. He would be fired if he was, I mean, the New England coach, the San Francisco coach, the Green Bay coach. Green Bay, you got to win playoff games. He'd be fired if he was the Ravens coach. But in Pittsburgh, it's old school. And they take pride in stuff like we have not had a losing season in 21 years. I want you to think about that.

I went and look this up this morning. In that same stretch, 21 seasons, to show you how little that means, we haven't had a losing season. In that same stretch, 21 seasons, 60 NFL teams. With winning records, miss the playoffs. Winning record doesn't mean anything. It doesn't guarantee anything. In 21 seasons, four times they were 500. Another four, they were a game over.

What does it mean? It's just an arbitrary number. So let me give you five, four or five teams that in 21 seasons have had losing seasons. The Chiefs, Philadelphia, Rams, Tampa Bay. the Patriots. They bought them out. They have losing seasons. So, you know, this whole thing about Mike Tomlin not having a losing season. Let me throw this at you.

You know who has the longest streak in the NBA of not having a losing season? I want you to think about this. Give it 10 seconds. What NBA franchise has the longest streak of non-losing seasons? The Clippers. 14. In their own city, the Lakers make fun of the clippers. Jeannie Buss, the former owner, used to make fun of the clippers, privately and publicly. They were a laughing stock. Didn't matter if Steve Ballmer had 10 times the net worth.

The clippers are like the eye roll of Los Angeles. And they've got good people in the building, and Tileus, you're the clippers. I mean, you got a bunch of banners, but it's just, to me, it's just, I mean, at Pittsburgh is, it's a small city. You know, I get it. It's old school. You know, I mean, you go to a party in Pittsburgh. You talk about, it's like St. Louis. Where'd you go to high school?

That's like not a conversation in New York, Chicago, Philly, Boston, San Francisco, L.A. St. Louis and Pittsburgh. Hey, where'd you go to high school? I don't know. I'm 44. Who cares? But that, you know, I get it. But this whole arbitrary number, I would rather have the Steelers bought them out this year.

And if Dante Moore is available, go grab him. I mean, to me, go get a legitimate franchise quarterback for 15 years, 12 of it in his prime. So, but I, this whole Tomlin thing, Belichick and Andy Reid got let go. It's nothing against Mike, but this arbitrary 21 years without a losing record, it means nothing. Winning record, 60 teams in 21 years have had a winning record, or were not sub 500, did not have a losing season. and they make the playoffs. I don't know what everybody's getting worked up about in Pittsburgh. But, yeah, I mean, I've been saying this for four years.

They're toned-deft offense. They don't take quarterback seriously. All right. Herd hierarchy, top of the hour. I saw this. So Michigan, Ohio State is Saturday. And I strongly believe that Ohio State, as long as at least one of their two-star receivers, at least one plays.

Like Carnal Tate, Jeremiah Smith, if both play, they're going to win easily. If one plays, they're going to win. If neither plays, it kind of changes the calculus. Like you don't have to play defense the same way. And I do think Michigan, between the quarterback Underwood, who is a baller and Marsh, one of the better receiving talents they've had in a decade, those guys are playmakers, and they're playing at home. But let's just be honest about Ohio State and Michigan,

the football programs, and the history here. I'll try to be as honest as I can next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey Jonas,

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So Michigan hosts Ohio State this weekend. And I have said I like Ohio State comfortable. So I'm a huge Jim Harbaugh fan. I think there's an argument. He's, if you count college and pro, the NBA, basketball Hall of Fame counts college, counts pro, counts everything. You know, our pro football Hall of Fame, it's just pros. If you had a Hall of Fame and football like basketball,

there's an argument, Jim Harbaugh is one of the great coaches in the history of the sport. For nine years, I defended him against what I consider to be short-sided critics and reactive critics. I think he's a great football coach. But make no mistake, Ohio State's the better football program than Michigan. Michigan's the Superior University. The law school's better. The business school's better.

The medical school. Michigan is a top three public university in America. Try to get my daughter to go there. Dad, it's too cold. Okay, whatever. Good school. But you say Buckeyes, you think

college football. They have an SEC commitment, an SEC tribal passion, an obsessed nature to them that Michigan doesn't quite have. And they're proud of it, like SEC schools. So on Saturdays,

Columbus is the most northern, southern city in America. It's just different. And I always said this. Hardball is the reason they won the Natty. If you go look at all those Michigan stars that dominated Ohio

State the last couple of years, none of them have hit in the NFL. Blake Corum, invisible, J.J. McCarthy, Mason Graham, Roman Wilson, Kenneth Grant, Go look around the league at Ohio State guys. They're the top of every roster they're on. So, in fact, that national championship in Michigan,

if you go and look at what they call talent composite rankings, Michigan's was 14th, the lowest since the college football playoff has existed for a national champion. That was a hardball national championship. They won games without throwing a pass in halves. So Ohio State football is a machine. Michigan is very head coach reliant. Ohio State take away at interim coaches. Ohio State wins with everybody.

And don't forget, from 2001 to 2019, Ohio State was 17 and 2. Okay. Go look at Urban Myers record in the matchup. So as long as Ohio State's wide receivers, one of their two superstars are healthy, they're going to win the game. But I said this before.

College football is very much a coach's sport. The NFL is a quarterback sport. And I don't think you can replace Jim Harbaugh, who, you know, and people say, well, it took him a while. Again, Michigan is Notre Dame. Not everybody can get in. It is rigorous academically. Michigan graduates, I know, they love football, but business first.

Ohio State people I know It's football first It's not a criticism It's a reality So you know on this show from time to time We'll talk Odds So people ask me a lot

I ran into somebody yesterday in Chicago What do you think about the bears And I said I don't know But I know Vegas doesn't like him So the bears are in first place Eight and three And they are a seven

Point dog to a team that can't run the football and very frequently can't score Philadelphia. Now think about that. Cruddy Carolina against the defense in San Francisco with no pass rush. Cruddy Carolina was a seven-point dog last night. Last week, three-and-seven Cincinnati, three-and-seven at the time, without Joe Burrell or Jamar Chase, was a seven-and-a-half-point dog to number one seed New England. So Vegas is telling you, you're basically six.

Cincinnati with no Joe Burrow against the Patriots. You're cruddy Carolina against Kyle Shanahan and Robert Sala. So Vegas does not buy the Chicago Bears. Who, it should be noted, are the second best rushing team in the NFL. What is rushing do? Helps you on the road. The number one rushing team in the league is Seattle. I think Seattle's won 10 of their last 11 road games.

Why is Seattle so good on the road? Because Seattle runs it and plays defense. That's what wins. on the road. Vertical passing games, Miami Dolphins, when they had Waddle and Tyreek Hill, does not went on the road late in the season. So Chicago, to me, is actually, if they had a better defense, the run game should help them on the road.

Take the crowd out of it, long drives. But it's kind of remarkable to me that Chicago has this great record. And Vegas looks at them and goes, yeah, you're kind of Carolina going to face the Niners. you know, it kind of Cincinnati host in New England. Seven point spread in the NFL is a fat number. Here's Ben Johnson this week on this group of guys and the closeness they have.

I think we've got the right type of guys, and that's, you know, Ryan's really done a great job with constructing the roster that way, but the veteran leadership is outstanding. Kevin Byard, Joe Tooney, Grady, probably have 10 or 12 guys that I really lean into on a weekly basis just to get a pulse of the team. And they do a really good job of keeping the main thing, the main thing in the locker room. Yeah, I mean, I don't think you can go six and one in close games.

Kansas City last year was great in close games. You got to have a good locker room. It's not just the coach and the quarterback. You got to have a good room. You know, I mean, when you get in close games and you trail late and you watch Kansas City against the Colts this weekend, I think Chicago's got a really good locker room. I also think their secondary is a little bit better than people think. They take the ball away. They got their DBs, cats like wide receivers. But I will tell you, Matt Hasselbeck has yet to buy

in, and his opinion is one I hear a lot privately around the NFL on Caleb Williams. I guess where I'm not like putting him in the Hall of Fame and fitting him for a gold jacket like you want to do, I just don't think this Bears team has played anybody quite yet. Now, we will get to know who this Bears team is because the, you know, five of their next six games or whatever are against teams that are way better than the teams that they beat. They haven't beat great teams. I think this is Ben Johnson is proven. He is a great coach and he is the guy. If someone can take him to that next level, I think Ben Johnson would be the guy. I want to go back. And again, I think Philadelphia off a loss, nothing pulls a locker room together,

like blowing a three touchdown lead in the game and losing to a rival. So it's going to be an angry, intense week of practice in Philadelphia. And the last time we saw the Bears really go east of Baltimore, they lost to Tyler Hunley. So I think the Bears are a good team. Are they a herd hierarchy team? We'll see. They're not a great team. And they have beaten bad teams in close games.

That's okay. Winning is winning. Denver's winning a lot of close games, some over bad teams. Winning is winning. So I want to go back to something I said at the top of the show. is I really think Brock Purdy's fine. But if you make more than Mahomes and Stafford, I'm going to hold you to a different level.

Cam Ward is not winning games. I thought he played great this weekend. Nobody's trying to convince me Cam Ward is great. Bryce Young is mid, but nobody's trying to convince me he's not. J. Mack isn't the only person that keeps telling me, and this guy is special. And I do think there's something to be said. He's not been good necessarily. I think he puts pressure on himself.

And I'll give you an example. In the early Sunday window, Brock Purdy is Tom Brady. Now, obviously, in the early Sunday window, you play a lot of Carolinas, you play a lot of Atlanta's, you play a lot of Arizona.

You play average teams in the early window, buy in large. The NFL puts the better teams, late Fox window, Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday, they want some marquee quarterbacks. In the early Sunday, window in his career.

Brock Purdy has 11 touchdowns, two picks, and a 110 passer rating. He is elite. Those are elite numbers. On Monday night football, when the league's watching, and I think he wants to put on a little bit of a show, he puts pressure on himself, not showing off, but he puts pressure on himself. He gets a little more reckless.

Five touchdowns, 11 picks, 75 passer rating, and generally you play better teams. Last night was an exception. Caroline is not in stand-alone games very much. Even in Charlotte. they're just not so um you know again i think he's got a bad toe and he's just not gonna he's just not the kind of kid he's a good kid good family he's not going to go out and say make excuses and play a victim he's not going to do that i mean i think it's pretty obvious if you watch them last night

he's not getting velocity in his ball and he doesn't have a bad arm he didn't have a great arm but his arm is good enough and he's a very aggressive player which i like that's the thing i like about him he's a smart kid he's a good kid And he's aggressive. Like, he'll throw the ball down the field, he'll throw picks. But if you watch the interceptions last night, that is not Brock Purdy. Though those interceptions were, the ball hung, it was behind, it was the same interception three times. It was literally the same interception three times, and it was a velocity issue.

Wasn't necessarily accuracy. It was just a velocity in you. The ball hung. So I think he's too good of a kid to say, my toe's terrible. He's not going to do that. But you can't tell me. It's like Lamar Jackson's the same way. Lamar's never going to play a victim.

Lamar's never going to say I'm not healthy. It's just not who Lamar is. He's too competitive and Brock's super competitive. Lamar Jackson watch him. He is not 100%. Brock Purdy is not 100%. But he wants to play. Kyle wants him to play.

And if your substitutes playing his arse off, you want to get out there and take the job back. Heard hierarchy, Nick Wright next. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. Nick, and guess what? We created

our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their Between Songs banter.

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Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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