The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Ontani and Mahomes

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

Colin starts the show praising the greatest of Shohei Ohtani What makes Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes so special Thoughts on Jets HC Robert Saleh defending his guySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Final show of the week. Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. The cold has somewhat subsided. J. Mack is joining me. We're a week away from football, starting professional football, Hall of Fame camps, very exciting. taking shots at each other.

You could say football started yesterday when two pretty big names went down. Feels like we're in full swing. Yeah, Joe Burrow, it's only a calf strain. And Jalen Ramsey will be back six to eight weeks out. Knee surgery. But six to eight weeks means he'll be back somewhere late September. It's amazing. By the way, if you've gone to a hospital in the last couple of years,

what we've put our great medical people in America through because of COVID, what our medical professionals can do. with serious injuries, semi-serious injuries. I see it with athletes all the time. If it says six to eight weeks, it'll be six. Our medical pros are as good as it gets. Let's start with this, though. I'm going to spend the next eight, nine minutes talking about maybe the two greatest

athletes in America, and I'm going to start my show with baseball. If the season was shorter, there was more actual urgency, and anybody watched the regular season outside of a team getting watched by their home fans, it would have been a huge day. Yesterday was the greatest single day for any baseball player ever. It really was. Let's start with this. Generally, I don't know, let's go with always in the history of baseball. If you threw a shutout in a major league baseball game, in the summer heat in America,

the hottest we've ever been, over 100 pitches, heavy uniform on, major league hitters, complete game. one hit shutout, you would be gassed, fried, done. They wrap your arm with heavy towels and ice. You look like a speed bag that Tyson worked on for two hours. That's what Shohei Otani did yesterday. And then he played the second game of the doubleheader and smacked not one but two home runs. There is no comp for him on the planet. It's the greatest day for any pro athlete ever.

Oh, by the way, he now leads baseball and homers or still does with 38. We found a unicorn. It's real. It's him. He's got a name. Shohei Otani. Retire the term. Again, if baseball was shorter, had more urgency, and we discussed it like other sports

with fewer games where the regular season mattered, would we understand what we're watching? I grew up watching baseball, much to the sugar. grin of my partner Jason McIntyre in the 70s. I can tell you every infield of the National League West. That's what I did. I watched baseball. And the greatest endurance feat of my generation was say your Johnny Bench, day game, Saturday, first of two, you were a catcher, there was AstroTurf, or you're at Three Rivers in Pittsburgh, Bush Stadium in St. Louis, veteran stadium it was called in Philadelphia. AstroTurf. You're a catcher. You're burning 11 pounds off in the first of two. And if you could, as a catcher, Manny Sangean for the Pirates, you were a Johnny Bench,

and you could in the same game, play catcher with AstroTurf on a Saturday afternoon doubleheader and then get a base knock in the same game and drive in a run. That was a great feat of endurance. but then Bill Plummer would catch the second game for the Reds in the 70s. They wouldn't dare put Johnny Bench out for the second game of a doubleheader to catch. Otani pitched a complete game. Heat, sun, afternoon, shut out. Yeah, I'll play the second one and dominate that too. It's incredible what we're watching.

It's why the Angels got very few offers for him. It runs counter to what you'd expect. what do you offer for him if there's no guarantees you can keep him? I don't know. You could gut your farm system. You could give away four other high-end players. But to be an ace pitcher, lead the league in all the power stats, and yet run elegantly is hard to describe.

It makes Bo Jackson seem sticky. Dion Sanders, niche. We are watching. Phil Nevin, the manager for the Angels, after what he witnessed. Certainly something I've never seen. I'm not sure at any level. We tried not to take it for granted what we have in him. You hate to say that you expect greatness every day,

but it's what we get, and it's awesome to watch. But the thing is, is that him performing at this level, when there's so much focus on one person, to be great and continue to be great as he does. Only the mentally strong are able to do that, and that's what impresses me most about him. Just a remarkable performance, all-time stuff, retire the term unicorn.

A one-hit shutout, I don't care if the Tigers aren't great. It's Major League Baseball. Afternoon sun, hottest this planet's ever. been and then to whack two home runs. I mean, there's been feats of endurance. This kid is absolutely remarkable. You understand why the angels said, you know what, we're going to go to the White Sox, we're going to give up prospects, we're going to make a run. You know, I talk about it in the NBA all the time. Certain players deserve, Dame Lillard deserves to play in May. He's too

good not to be playing in May and June. Shohei Otani deserves October, wherever it is. We deserve it He deserves it more than anybody. Unbelievable. I sat and watched the replay last night at home. And I don't watch a lot of regular season baseball. All time stuff. All right. Now the second great athlete, Patrick Malmes.

So Joe Burrow is okay, calf strain, okay relative to what we thought would have happened had he been seriously injured. He limped off the field yesterday. And so Joe Burrow was one of many great. quarterbacks who passed on being in the quarterback documentary for Netflix. It would have helped your endorsements. It would have helped your brand. Joe Burrell said no thanks. Dach said no thanks.

Tua, Matt Stafford, Jalen Hertz. These are Justin Fields. All were offered it. All said, no, man, I got enough on my table. I got enough on my plate. So this would have helped all of them. It helps with endorsements. It makes you more money everywhere.

And all of those quarterbacks, many of them stars said, no. So instead, Patrick Mahomes said, I'll do it. Got a newborn, high-maintenance brother, pressure of the world, Super Bowl on the line. Patrick Mahomes said, yeah, bring it on. Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, and Marietta all have done themselves well. They look mature and responsible. They're balancing adult family members, newborns, football pressure, crazy diet. media scrutiny. Kurt Cousins and Marcus Marieto have never been more likable.

And I've never respected all three of these quarterbacks more for what they go through. This is a grown-up job. You have to be mature and you have to be able to compartmentalize. Wives, babies. You know, it's hard to have a big chip on your shoulder as an NFL quarterback when there's a burp cloth over it. But Mahomes is one of one. Think about it. Think about this. Now you add the TV cameras. Amazon's got a series. HBO's got a football series. Netflix does. Quarterback in the NFL is an utter pressure cave. One of the last 14 teams that have been on HBO's hard knocks. One of 14, won a playoff game. One of five in the Amazon series, all or nothing, one of five, I think it was Arizona, won a playoff game.

So that's two of 19. Even in the Netflix series, Kirk Cousin's season ended in disappointing fashion, and Marcus Marioita got benched. And then there's Mahomes. TV cameras hovering, newborn, challenging brother, playing with what? Nine or ten rookies, scrutiny of the world, most talked about football player on the earth, won the Super Bowl. Even Tom Brady needed control.

Brady controlled his documentary. Tom Brady off-season flies his receivers to him. Tom needed and sought control. Peyton Manning, much respect. He would be the first to tell you. sought control. Mahomes, bring it on. His game is his personality. Loose can take anything you throw at him, but strangely under control. Watching Mahomes on Netflix and all the things around him being thrown at him never loses his cool, rolls with the punches, compartmentalizes.

It makes him even more impressive. Think of all the quarterbacks, the great ones, the Staffords, the Joe Burroughs, Dak Prescott, Dak said, man, I got enough on my plate. We get enough scrutiny here. I'm going to pass on this. Mahomes is like, yeah, I'm the most scrutinized guy in the league, bring it on. Super Bowl. and the AFC and one of the league's toughest divisions.

I said this years ago, I think I was talking about Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan, sometimes we just don't understand how great the great ones are and how much better they are than either other pro athletes. So think about how great you have to be to be a pro athlete. Nobody in my county was ever a great pro athlete. I had a few people in my county make the pros, but nobody in my entire county that I grew up in, Washington State, Grace Harbor, Ever was a great pro athlete.

A couple of people made the pros. Most of you never have had a family member, a cousin, or anybody you know really make a pro league. And when you've ever seen a pro athlete, I went to high school basketball tournaments and high school football games where I saw somebody that was a pro athlete. I saw Cedric Irvin play in a high school football game in Florida. I saw when I was down in Tampa. I saw a couple of people that would become pro athletes. they were dominant men against kids against other really good high school athletes.

So to be a college athlete, you have to be spectacular. To be a pro athlete, it's another level. And then to be Patrick Mahomes or Shohei Otani. I mean, I said this years ago, think about how many teams, literally all they did for 15 years was try to figure out how to slow down Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant. every game. Trapp him. Get rid of the ball. He's weaker to his left than his right.

Didn't matter. Scored whenever they had to. Kobe had an 81 point game. Jordan could average 50 most of his career if he wanted to. Or at least 40. Mahomes and Otani. We're looking at the greatest ever. I'm not saying total production.

Total production. Tom Brady's better. But what Mahomes can balance watching Netflix, it's insane. adult family members, newborns, pressure, diets, married stuff, Andy Reid, new play. And Andy Reid keeps saying, I'm going to put more on the plate. Netflix specials. Appreciate them. And they're both in their prime.

And we get to watch both of them every game. All right. Jamie Rick, sometimes you have to acknowledge the utter greatness available to our eyes and ears. Tonny and Mahomes. Coming in a little bit hot on Mahomes. Greatest ever? I mean, listen, he's unbelievable. He's on track, but can we see it for more than half a decade?

That's production. I'm not saying he's the most productive. I think we're watching the greatest quarterback ever. I think we're watching the greatest quarterback talent ever. It's Marino, but better situationally. It's Elway, but more athletic. It's Brady at the line of scrimmage with more talent. It's sidearm throws, it's left-handed throws.

I think it's a combination of everything. And Otani's that. He's a combination of an ace pitcher runs like an elite athlete and leads in all power categories. And by the way, nutritional standards, training is better. People on the planet are bigger and stronger when they lean into those things. This is just, this is an evolution that was expected. But I think we're watching it now. We're watching these athletes, and we have a handful of them.

Michael Phelps may have been the first to really break through where you went, oh my, that's the greatest Olympian. He dominates multiple strokes. It may have been Michael Phelps. We could be watching it with the soccer player overseas that was just offered. And Bapa. Yeah. I think we're looking at the gifts of Pelae, the style of Pelae, the power that we recognize

from bigger, stronger athletes. Like, he's a mix of. multiple soccer stars of elegance, of power, of speed of grace that I don't think we've ever seen before. Yeah. Every time I see Messi Mbapé superstars, the stadiums are full. Did you see the Otani highlights? I know it's a double header.

Nobody was there. But you would think, like, if the greatest player in the history of the sport showed up, that you'd at least get half a stadium. I mean, it looks like a friends and family. Hey, you guys can just go sit in the outfield for free. Like, that's not on the fans. That's on baseball. They've made real changes with a clock.

games are now 25 to 30 minutes shorter. They got rid of the stupid defensive shift. Good call. They got to shorten the season. Cell phones, the frenetic pace of society, all the things to do in America, despite what you read, we're not going into a recession, apparently. People are busy. They're out there doing things. Nobody has time to go to 81 home games.

You've got to create urgency. NFL's done it. College football has it. March Madness has it. Every time you do it, Women's March Madness. If you create urgency, Americans respond to it. If you're not creating it and there's just another game tomorrow or it lasts too long, cricket is the national pastime in England.

Nobody watches it. So, I mean, that struck me as well. I didn't want to take a shot at baseball, but there's nobody at the game. Empty stadium. Hey, by the way, I'm just going to toss a baseball player at you who was incredible, amazing. And I want to ask you your thoughts on him. So Wade Boggs was arguably one of the greatest singers ever. Those doubles hitter.

What is your single memory of Wade Boggs, the baseball player? Just one memory. It doesn't have to be a play. It could just be an image. I don't know. Fenway Park. What was it? Interesting.

So he didn't win a World Series with the Red Sox. He won a World Series with the Yankees. And I'll never forget, Wade Boggs on the back of a police horse in Yankee Stadium, like pump it up the crowd. That's my memory of a guy who didn't win in Boston. He was a great player. But, like, this Otani thing is. It's really interesting.

Like, if he just goes through his career doesn't win in baseball, we're going to be like, hey, remember that double header where he was an awesome pitcher and then he smashed two homers? Like, it's tough for me. I need winners. I like Otani a lot, but we got to get him on a winning ball club. This is unacceptable. Yeah, I mean, Mike Trout was the best player for about eight years.

His singular moment is at Top Golf, where he just stepped up with a golf club and wax it. And it's like, oh, my God. That was like one of the greatest things I've ever seen at Top Golf from Mike Trout, the awesome baseball. Yeah, I mean, it's a real thing. I think the angels realize that as well. Let's go in, let's give up prospects, and let's win games. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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And it was one of the reasons Aaron Rogers chose the Jets. He performed very well with Nathaniel Hackett his last two years in Green Bay. Not so well when he left. So we'll get to that later. but Robert Sala came to the defense of his new offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett and his brief and ugly run in Denver. I kind of live by saying if you ain't got no haters, you ain't popping. So hate away. You know, it's obviously we're doing something right if you got to talk about us when we don't play it till week four. I get it.

There's a lot of people who are hating on us. There's a lot of people who are hating on us. There's a lot of people looking for us to fail. There's a lot of crows pecking at our neck. But all you can do is spread your wings, keep flying high. those crows fall off and suffocate from the inability to breathe. I don't know what that's all about, but I do like the fact that he supported his coach. I don't think, however, and Saul is doing what Nick Saban has mastered and Bill Belichick has mastered,

you know, which is create an enemy that does not exist. Nobody really hates the Jets. We all have questions about the Jets offensive line. We think Brees Hall could be good, but when he's back, you know, Aaron Rogers doesn't quite move like he used to. He didn't have a very good year. All the questions about the Jets, tough division, impulsive ownership, coach on the hot seat. Those are all fair questions. There's really no hate for the Jets. The league's better if Aaron Rogers crushes. The NFC playoffs missed Aaron Rogers last year. He's good for the league. Star quarterback's winning, good for the league. It's bulletin board

material. Sala is defending his guy. But here's the truth. What Aaron Rogers is going to do to the Jets is pretty predictable. Go to the last seven times. It's six different quarterbacks. Seven times a star quarterback has arrived at a new place. Russell Wilson to the Broncos, Matt Stafford to the Rams, Brady to the Bucks, Peyton Manning to Denver, farved to the Vikings and the Jets, and Joe Montana to the Chiefs. Seven times six quarterbacks, five playoff appearances, one disaster. Blame the coach for that in Denver, and then Brett Farb is inconclusive. They would have made the playoffs, but he got hurt. They were seven and three. Five successes, a six probably would have been,

and one disaster, blame it on the coach. Because star quarterbacks do three things that are really important. They elevate others. They infuse confidence to a locker room, and they upgrade production. Those are really important things, and Aaron's going to do all of those. I know this is a qualifier. But the over under in Vegas is nine and a half and the juice is on betting the over. Most people, if I had to make a bet here, I would bet the over have the jets at 10 wins and above. J. Max got him at 11.12. I think 10's possible. But I do think if, I know it's a qualifier, but because two is injury is concussion related, meaning it's not an ankle or a shoulder. He can't get hurt and come back the next week or the next week after that.

A concussion means he's gone for a month. The media pressure, the medical pressure, a concussion for Tua, he's out for the next four games minimum. So my takeaway is if there is any sort of head trauma or injury to Tua and he misses four or five games, this is what I see the AFC playoffs looking like. Bingles, Bills, Chargers, Chairs, Chas, Jags, Jets, Ravens. Seven teams, seven-star quarterbacks. Now, I know you say, oh, it's ridiculous to put up a qualifier like that. It's not when it's concussion-related.

This is not too a bang-in-a-knee comes back limping two weeks later, and everybody's kind of okay with it. It's a badge of honor in the NFL to play Hurt. Jalen Hurtz played Hurt in the Super Bowl. Mahomes played hurt in the Super Bowl. It's a badge of honor. It is, however, not a badge of honor with one injury, concussions. So if he gets one, even if it's slight, he's gone for four to five games.

If you look at the jet schedule, they play Miami late both games. Week 12 and week 15. Hits, hits, hits to a greater opportunity to miss one or both. That would be a playoff team. Obviously, nobody wants to see that. but putting that up as a qualifier is reasonable when you consider it is really the only injury in football today you're out for a month. We're not experts, even medical people aren't.

It's guesswork to some degree. It's not an ankle, not a shoulder, not a knee, not a finger. Football is a badge of honor to play hurt. Only one, concussions works the other way. So I don't think there's hate for the Jets. I think most reasonable people have them 10 and above, but Sala was good to protect this guy. J. Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Huge news for Niners fans, Colin. As Brock Purdy returned to practice yesterday following the torn UCL in the NFC championship game, Purdy will practice two out of every three days for now. You can see the footage. Look at him.

It's pretty normal. I mean, I know these are short passes, but I mean, come on. He looks fine. Here's what Purdy had to say about his recovery. Never jumped ahead of schedule or did anything and tried to do anything out of the ordinary. We had really great advice from all those professionals along the way and slowly got to where we're at and still have a plan to continue to carry out. It's not when we made it and we threw it in practice that it's over. we still have some stuff to do.

I've worked up to get to this point to where my arm doesn't hurt or anything like that. Yeah, I'm from throwing and stuff, any quarterback would tell you, hey, I'm going to go ice my arm or do whatever with my arm and do treatment on it. And that's where I'm at. My arm feels great. There's just some rusts. I still got to knock off. You know, I didn't get any, obviously reps and OTAs or anything like that with 11 on 11, 7 on 7, whatever.

Today it was good just to get out there, you know, go through some reeds and stuff, let it rip. Look pretty healthy to me. I think we forget that Kyle Shanahan last year lost his starter, Trey Lance, his backup, who was the starter of the year prior, who they tried to get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo comes in. He gets hurt. They're down to their seventh round pick, a rookie. And they end up winning 12 straight games.

Yeah. Eight of them by double digits. That's something that needs to be noted. They were dominant. Eight of 12 wins by double digits. They rolled the league. rolled them until, and by the way, McCaffrey gets that touchdown in the NFC championship, and you're thinking they're going to come into Philadelphia and win, and then pretty, you know,

we can't continue. Now, one big difference I'm seeing, obviously D'Amico Ryan's gone, the defensive coordinator, but they bring in to get Wilkes, who was pretty respected. Steve Wilkes. Yeah, Steve Wilkes. Was he Carolina? He was somewhere last year, and they like him. But the big question, McGlinchie, you've been hyping him going to Denver, the right tackle.

He's good player. I was trying to find who the fill-in is, and it looks like it's undecided as of right now. The weakness of their team is, I would say, right side of their O-line, especially right tackle. But it's not. A little granular. Well, but their left tackles the best, arguably, in football in 20 years. So their left tackle's good. They're fine at guard.

It's not the end of the world. I mean, the right tackle they're soft at. But again, I don't know. I think that if I if you told me you know that's that's not left tackle it's not edge it's not corner it's not weapon it's that's their issue I mean it's tough to find a scenario where they're not in the NFC championship game at the minimum I mean just think about that in in probably maybe cowboys pro football eight of 12 games were blowouts wasn't competitive I remember people remember they went to Seattle and it was like Brock Purdy's first road game and all these sharp betters were like oh Seattle it's party on the road I was like are you guys kidding me Are you kidding?

And Purdy was just dominant. The guy delivers. He's a really good player. He also had that he started for three or four years in college. He did Iowa State, yeah? There's a little bit of a Kenny Pickett factor where he's had a lot of snaps. He was a starting high school quarterback for years, starting quarterback. The guy had like seven straight years of starting 12, 13, 14 games, college and high school.

And, I mean, even though it's high school, it matters. The guy's had a lot of snaps behind center. All right. Now, I have to ask a tough question. In the video at the press conference, at the podium, he had his hat on backwards. Not a huge fan of that. But he's a seventh round pick. He doesn't know better.

He'll learn over time. Okay. On to the Jets. Listen, I know the Aaron Rogers big pay cut was a big story. But interestingly, there's a report that he tried to get ownership equity worked into his contract. The NFL owners actually voted just last week to put a ban on giving players ownership stakes, which ended up blocking Rogers' attempt. Now, I would love to hear more on this story.

I don't know, that's kind of a brazen move, if you will, from Mr. Aaron Rogers. Well, no, he owns a little bit of the box, Milwaukee Box. I think it's actually a smart move. Oh, it's a great move, but it's brazen. Like, I'm coming to your team. Give me a little slice of ownership. I would have done the exact same thing. I think Aaron's very heady on that.

A lot of these athletes, oh, give me endorsements. It's New York. You lose 50% of it. City tax, state tax. What are the richest people in the world buying? teams. Why? Because the Yankees are going to be in New York in 20 years. You have no idea if all these Silicon Valley companies will go belly up. I mean, Facebook owned the world eight years ago. Now it changed its name. Now its owner, its founder wants to get into fights with Elon Musk.

Zuckerberg's out of touch. The bottom line is Aaron Rogers gets it. By the way, LeBron James has ownership in teams. Magic Johnson, ownership in teams. This just popped into my head. I've got to ask. So no, issue with Aaron Rogers asking for an ownership stake, equity stake, right? I don't have a problem asking to do a lot of things. What about the quarterback asking for a fully guaranteed contract? They'll be, I mean, Kirk Cousins got one, so I think eventually you'll have that. I wouldn't want to hand it out, but again, again, Mahomes, you're getting to a point with Mahomes that you may just have to. Well, I mean, Lamar famously wanted it. They said no, but like-

I think you have a right to, and when I go into contract negotiations, and mine are obviously granular compared to all these pro athletes, I ask for things. I don't think I'm going to get everything. I don't have a problem, Aaron, asking for ownership. I don't know the exact, there's something about owning while you play. What he would have asked for is when I retire, can I have a piece of the jets? I don't think a current player, if you're playing, can own a team. But I think when you retire, you can.

There was that talk about Brady and the Dolphins. Right. Brady trying for it. Listen, these are the smart guys. LeBron James. You know the second he retires. he's going to try to buy that Vegas franchise when the NBA as he should.

Yeah, as he, Michael Jordan for all the criticism, do you see what Michael Jordan made on the irrelevant hornets? He made like billions and billions of dollars. Now he's on a yacht with, jumping into the ocean. Good for him.

Well, you know, my soccer team in Mexico, big game this weekend. Yeah, everybody's talking about it. Huge in Charlotte. It's going to be in Hurdline if they win. If they lose, we're not going to talk about. A final story.

Sequin Barkley has spoke about his hold out in his new one-year deal. He was asked about the idea that he would sit-out games or even the full season. Here's Sequin Barkley. If I sat out this year and say if the New York football giants and I sat out and we didn't have a good record, you think that's going to make another team in free agency

or the Giants want to have me come back the next year after I sat out a whole year. Be like, oh, we want to give you $15 million a year now. Like, I don't think that's how it's going to work. And after having conversations and really breaking it down, when you sit there and you break it down like that, you're like, the only way that I'm going to make a change or do something that's going to benefit for myself and my family

is doing what I do best. And that's showing up, playing the game my love, and doing at a high level. For the record, this is what I had said when he was considering a holdout two weeks ago or last week. I said, you're a great running back. Go be a great running back. The answer is almost never holdout.

The answer is, show the world, if you're a musician and an artist, show the world what you do at a high level. If people know you're unhappy and you keep performing at a high level, another movie studio, another team will go, he's great, we're not, let's get him. Don't sit out. If you are good enough to be a pro athlete or a world-class writer, actor, doctor, whatever you are, keep doing it. Smart people will go, he's productive, he's great, we need him, let's make a deal. Sitting out, let me tell you something. I retire three days later, I'm irrelevant. Nobody cares.

I love Johnny Carson. Retired. Three days later, he's got a replacement. It doesn't matter. People go on with their lives. Keep doing what you do at a high level. The market will eventually respond to greatness. So you were on a boat in British Columbia,

and I think you missed this. We talked about it early in the week. By the way, my audience forgot about me the minute I was gone. I mean, you were the new host of the Hurst. So right after the New Deal was agreed upon, it was leaked. Yeah. Okay. That the Giants back in March and April tried to trade Sequin Barclay with authorization from his representatives.

So they tried to move him. And apparently there were no takers. Bit of a hot take. It's a year in advance. I'm almost certain he will be traded this offseason. He won't be back with the giant. I guarantee you one of the teams with a rookie quarterback. Yeah.

Whoever grabs Drake May, Caleb Williams, somebody will say, we would love to bring on Sequin Barclay. We will give him a two-year deal. And that team is smart to do that. And so are the Giants. A hundred percent. Two things can be true is you don't sign him to a second big deal, but he will get paid somewhere.

He's too good. Austin Echler is unhappy right now. Josh Jacobs, they'll get paid. Maybe not exactly what they want. Nobody does. They'll get paid. I mean, Mahalms is the seventh highest paid quarterback. I don't need Josh Jacobs to say I need to be the highest paid running back.

The best quarterback in the world's seventh highest paid. Right. So you're not going to get everything you want, especially in the NFL. But you keep playing, keep producing, cross your fingers on health, you'll get yours. Yeah. And I think Barclay makes a lot of sense. You're telling me that if Caleb Williams comes in and you're like instantly, we've got to hit the ground running. This guy's potential Mahomes level. Let's get him some weapons. Boom. Let's bring on Sequin Barkley. Like you can't get that production out of a fifth round pick that's a rookie. I know Al Jir had a thousand yards rushing with the Falcons, but he's not catching 50 passes and being electric. I think Barclay's going to have a lot of value next season to him for a rookie quarterback. I agree.

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bad faith to not like the franchise tag when they agreed to it. Jonathan Taylor, his star running back. So that's the world we live in. There are levels of income for every business. You go to a hospital, an anesthesiologist, or a surgeon makes more than the baby doctor. I don't make the rules. That's just the way it works at every hospital I've been to. The game has changed. And the NFL has always been the sport that is constantly evolving. The rules are changing. It's constant. Every year, they add and subtract multiple rules.

That's the way the game works. And that's why the NFL is king. It's not stuck in the past or living through the rearview mirror. And the evolution of those rules have overwhelmingly protected the players physically. But they have not protected all players equally or financially. No business does. Businesses always try to make our lives, or at least should, whether you're on an oil, Derek, or you're playing pro sports, safer.

Economics are different. Linebacker, safety, and running backs are not as valuable today. I'm not going to fall in line with the running back sympathy tour, which is currently going on in the media. Poorly run teams in 2023 overpay for running backs. Fact. Warren Sharp, one of the. smartest analytic performers in our industry pointed out something that is so crucial to this argument that quarterbacks accounted for 21% a fifth of rushing touchdowns last year.

Little more than a decade ago, it was only 10%. And that quarterbacks accounted for 16% of all rushing yards last year, the most in league history. The quarterbacks are gobbling up much of the running back production. Why pay huge money for both? You shouldn't. That's why the most interesting team in the league to me and the most compelling situation is Anthony Richardson and the Colts. I don't know much about Richardson.

I watched them play live twice last year as a college quarterback. I saw him play against Utah and then there was one SEC game. He's a remarkably physically gifted athlete. Right now, got a lot to learn in the pocket. But as a playmaker, as an athlete, he could be wildly productive and spectacular. I can't wait to watch him play. Again, he's really raw. That's okay.

It's okay to be raw. Took Jalen Hurts a couple years. Took Josh Allen was super raw coming out of Wyoming. The kid's raw. It's fun to watch him grow. But if he is a spectacular running with the ball as I think he will be, why would you pay for him and Jonathan Taylor? I mean, the bears let David Montgomery a very good running back walk.

The Eagles let Miles Sanders a very good running back walk. Why? Because Justin Fields gobbles up the running yards, and so does Jalen Hertz. Now, Fields and Hertz will eventually become more pocket quarterbacks. I think Hertz now will segue to that, pivot to that this year, stay in the pocket more. But as you learn to play and the light comes on as quarterback say in year three or year four, whatever it is, and you can run, gain yards, get into the end zone, do it. Even Mahomes, the greatest quarterback talent we've seen, admitted it was year three when the light went on.

And that cat's tuned in. So I think the culture fascinating is that my guess is that Anthony Richardson's going to be a more productive and capable runner than thrower for a year or two. Jonathan Taylor's got a year left in his contract. If the kid runs for 700 yards, and he's taken away Jonathan Taylor yards, you can't pay for both. So Joe Burrow and Mixon, Mixon took a pay cut, and Mixon doesn't move. So the culture in a very interesting place, and I can have sympathy for Josh Jacobs or Austin Echler. But we've got to be honest here. Bad teams would pay for a wildly productive...

I mean, if you have Josh Allen in the previous five years, you probably shouldn't pay your running backs. Now, Josh Allen has mentioned, he wants to stay in the pocket more. Now running back becomes more important for Buffalo. Becomes more crucial. Same with Jalen Hertz. My guess is, Jalen Hertz now runs less. He's become so deft, so adaptable in the pocket, he runs a little less. We saw Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, scale back on running. But Anthony Richardson, this kid's got one year starting in college. Next two years, he's going to be running like crazy. And my guess is he's going to be phenomenally fun to watch and productive.

Well, then you can't sign Jonathan Taylor in that same time frame to a two-and-three-year monster deal. Can you? Can you? And I love Jonathan Taylor, but can you? Richardson's on the rookie deal. So you've got like a four-year window where you can pay a lot of other guys. Yeah, how about paying a number one receiver they don't have? A number one Eddrush. Pittman's really good. He's a great number two. How about a number one receiver? How about a number one? Hold up. Where are you going to find a number one receiver? They're not out there on trees. You can just pull them out. Don Diggs is very unhappy.

You want that guy to go to Anthony Richardson? I like that guy. Not everybody's perfect. Some people are curbular. We got T.J. Hoosman Zata coming on later. You got to ask him about Stefan Diggs and the chirping and what that might do to the bills. I'd take Stefan Diggs on my football team. With a young quarterback?

I don't know, man. That's like the O'Dell Beckham stuff. He's complaining all the time. You and I disagree. Hour 2 next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite, unhumored me with Robert Smygel and friends. me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

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