The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Possible trouble for Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

Colin points out the major difference between the Packers and the Jets and why that's bad news for Aaron Rodgers He believes the recent trend for Dak Prescott is one that can't be ignored and it's time to accept his limitations that prevent him from being a great QB Thoughts on Commanders OC Eric Bieniemy already causing a stir with some players   Guest: Greg JenningsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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NFL season, preseason starts officially tonight, live in Los Angeles. It's the hurt. Wherever you may be, and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. We are about halfway through getting there in August. very exciting times, maybe a third through. J-Max's back next week. I'm holding up the fort with Ryan.

So yesterday was very interesting. We had a first yesterday. Everybody remembers their first, if you know what I'm saying. Aaron Rogers had a first yesterday. It was the first time as the Jets quarterback, he faced another team. It was one of those scrimmages against the Carolina. of Panthers who have a pretty good front seven. Not great, but pretty good.

And the offensive line for the Jets was a problem. Bryce Young was up and down the field. Aaron Rogers, two minute drill, three and out. And ugly. Not good. But of course, this offensive line is being duct taped. Billy Turner here, Max Williams there, Mackay Beckton's kind of a bust.

Duane Brown is hurt. So Aaron can smile at the Tonys and on HBO and then the Knicks game and it looked like fun. I was happy for him. But he'll get a little prickly. when things start to emerge that he's not used to. The Green Bay Packers in 20 years, I do not ever recall them going into a season with a duct-tapped offensive line. According to PFF, the last decade in Green Bay,

Aaron's offensive lines, none were below average, many were top 10. The Jets has now ranked at 23rd going into the season, and they are piecemealing it up front on the edges. They don't have a tackle. So the Packers have their flaws. Those are well documented on this show. But in terms of drafting and stability and development and coaching and organizationally, Green Bay is an excellent franchise, very much in the Patriot Steelers realm.

So essentially, Aaron Rogers, because these are all companies, right, Aaron left a really well-run company for a poorly run company, the Jets, that in the last decade has, finished in last place seven times in a decade. Multiple quarterbacks, multiple coaches, multiple GMs, impulsive owners. So Aaron has graduated too. And this is why I keep mentioning his age yesterday, today, the day before. Aaron has graduated out of running.

He no longer is going to buy you time. You have to give him time. And it's different. and it is, my number one concern for the Jets this year. I've said it over and over, ad nauseum, O-Lyne, older quarterback, no longer buying you a lot of time. He wants to get rid of that puppy and get out of there. So Aaron experienced what his predecessors did, Sam Darnold, Zach Wilson, Mike White. The Jets can't figure out up front on the offensive side.

Now, there is talent in the building in New York. Robert Sala, Joe Douglas, the GM, Garrett Wilson, the receiver, Sauce Gardner's phenomenal. A lot of nice pieces. Breeze Hall and Aaron Rogers. But he is viewed as their savior, because you know they've whiffed on their last two quarterback picks. Green Bay doesn't really whiff on quarterback picks.

Jordan Love could be the first. I doubt he's a huge whiff. But if you just look at the quarterback position last 15 years, Jets have had like 15 starting quarterbacks. Essentially, Green Bay had one and a handful of guys that would fill in if Aaron went down with a couple of collarbone injuries. But it was one quarterback basically for 15 years starting the game. So Aaron entered a building that it coach and quarterback, the two most important positions,

has been swimming in chaos for 10 years. And these are all just companies. That's what they are. Green Bay is a well-run company, never in chaos, rarely, rarely in the news except for winning, and the jets are almost always in the news for the wrong stuff. And what's really concerning about this, and that's why I do think Buffalo minus one and a half is one of my favorite bets in the first week, is when you look at the instability and Aaron lived through it yesterday at tackle where they couldn't protect against Carolina, the early schedule for the Jets is Buffalo, great pass rush, New England, Cowboys, Philadelphia,

Chris Jones of the Chiefs probably back by then at Denver. So the weakness is the strength of many of the teams early in that schedule. Aaron lived the real Jets quarterback life yesterday, running three and out, uncomfortable, not good in the edges. This franchise is a Dwayne Brown injury at left tackle from being a mess. And Aaron talked about the joint practice with Carolina and if he's worried about the offensive line chemistry going forward. A lot of that worry about guys playing next to each other because when it comes down to it, the center's making calls, I'm making calls, they're making calls between each other. It helps. You know, we had some great ones that played

over the years in Green Bay next to each other for a long time, but that's the exception usually. Usual for the NFL is there's going to be multiple starting offensive lineups throughout the year because of injuries or guys they think can play that aren't starting right away. So we'll figure it out. But he acknowledged it. Aaron acknowledged it.

Green Bay was the exception every year, top offensive lines. How many times do we mention it on the show? So he went from a company, with no chaos, although some was self-created, an excellent support and protection. To a circus, he now has to save. Yesterday was his first dose of reality, and it got uncomfortable, like I did for Darnold and Zach Wilson.

All right, so the Cowboys camps just up the road from here about an hour and a half away. The story has been early while the Cowboys look really good defensively, and, man, Dax's throwing a lot of pictures. again. Now, Mark Sanchez was on our show yesterday, and he said, I wouldn't get too worried about it. Listen, you don't want your quarterback throwing interceptions. However, I will say in training camp, especially the first week and a half-ish, the defense is so far ahead. Their calls are, you know, half the verbiage, if not less, maybe a quarter of the verbiage of the offense. And it's just go play, run, hit, and tackle. Now, we're not in the first week, though.

We're now in the second week and the third week and games start now tonight. So there's a clear correlation with Dak. This is not something we're going to argue over. It's just the facts. When you asked Dak Prescott the day he stepped into the league, the more you ask him to do, the more mistakes he makes. The best most efficient year for Dak Prescott, believe it or not, was year one. Zeke was the best running back in the league.

the offensive line was the best running offensive line in the league, and Dak was on the cheap. You could fill holes. He didn't cost anything. The Cowboys had the number two rush offense, and by year two, we knew the truth. Because Zeke in year two was suspended six games, and in those six games,

Dak had five touchdown passes and seven picks and a 76 passer rating. Dak's only been to two bowl bowls, and in both years he's been to a Pro Bowl, Zeeke led the NFL in rushing attempts and rushing yards. Last year, Dax's numbers, 15 picks led the league, and he missed four starts, and a passer rating of 91. That was worse than Daniel Jones.

Why? Because Zeeke was a shot fighter, and the offensive line was in a rebuild. You needed more from Dack. So in this training camp, Zeke's not around. Brandon Cooks is new. Tony Pollard off a broken leg. O-line still in a bit of a rebuild.

Zach Martin holding out. Dak once again, heavy on the turnovers. There is a clear correlation. This is not arguable. His most efficient year was the year they needed him to do the least. So you keep telling me, Dax, the front man of a great band. And every time he's out in front by himself, there's no hits. Right?

So Shady McCoy said the interceptions, no big deal, maybe. I think a veteran quarterback of his magnitude of America's team, the Cowboys, and I think a lot of people feel like Dax's an elite quarterback, franchise guy. So I think it is something. I mean, the good thing is that it's at camp and you try to work the kinks out, new offense, get the picks out now. But, I mean, I won't be super worried about it. But I think coming off a year he's had where he's been throwing picks, it may be something. Yes, last year he led the league in picks with a number one receiver, with two running back Zeeke and Tony Pollard, with an offensive coach, with a workable schedule.

The NFC's never been weaker. and he led the NFL in picks and had a 91 passer rating. It is something. It's okay. Say this about kids all the time. Some kids in the family, you can pile stuff on. Some kids you can't. That's fine.

But there is a clear correlation, and we saw the truth in year two. When Zeke was pulled out and suspended, DAC was bad. And so last year, Zeke's kind of a shot fighter, rebuild old. line. Gallup wasn't quite ready to play early. A lot of interceptions. I don't think it's everything, but I say often on the show, everything's something. Nothing is everything. But when the other two quarterbacks in the preseason that are throwing lots of picks are Jimmy Garoppolo and Baker Mayfield, there does seem to be kind of a pattern. Baker has led the league in picks since he entered it.

the entire league, and Garoppolo has been known to uncork a few beauties as well. All right, good stuff today. Shady McCoy made some news on the show yesterday when he was talking about Eric B. Enemy. And I've got some thoughts on that. Albert Breer, top of next hour, Greg Jennings, Mark Ingram in studio, new member of the Fox College football show. And I can't wait to talk to him. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio.

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I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Pie. or wherever you get your podcasts. You're now entering the No Bull Zone, sponsored by credible great rates, none of the bull. So interesting story this week and an odd story where Ron Rivera, the head coach of Washington,

who is on the hot seat, they have front office sort of in flux, I would imagine after the year. They have new ownership. Ron Rivera kind of stepped in it and came out and said, you know, Eric B. Enemy's intense coaching has been difficult for some of the players. he sort of created a controversy that didn't exist. And Biennesty had this reputation for years as the guy that couldn't get the job that he deserved. That's what the media kept saying.

He deserves a great job. Why isn't he getting the job? Well, so it's interesting. In Kansas City, you have the greatest offensive coach since Bill Walsh and Andy Reed. And then you have the best quarterback talent, maybe since Dan Marino and Patrick Mahomes, a great GM and a great owner. So they cover up a lot and they do a lot. And I didn't know really what Eric Bienemy did.

I thought it was a fair question. It certainly wasn't unfair. What's he doing there? Mahomes, Andy Reid are running the show. And Andy Reed and Mahomes cover up any mistakes anybody would make. I mean, it's hard to blow a scene if you're working with Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio. They're going to make it look good. And so now Bienami has an older defensive coach.

a new ownership group and Sam Howell at quarterback. So you can get exposed very, very quickly and you just don't have the same support system. And the media kept clamoring, how come this guy's not getting the job? And I always thought the question was, okay, I get it. He's interviewing. He may not be a great interview. I've interviewed a lot of people. Some people aren't.

They get nervous. They're anxious. It just doesn't work. And the second thing is, what did he do? what did he do? Doug Peterson is the offensive coach under Andy Reid that succeeded. Many have not. Many of the more successful coaches from Andy Reid are on the defensive side, not his side of the ball. So I've seen this my entire life in business where you know, this company of Fox, you have a great culture, you have a longstanding marketing tradition, it's well capitalized and people leave a company.

And they're going to go out on their own. It can be a talent or an executive. I'm going to find my way and they get exposed very quickly and often disappear. It happens all the time. That's why I say when Aaron goes from the Packers to the Jets, just be respectful of Green Bay. That is a really well-run Packer business. The Jets aren't. And when you go from the Hunt family, A-plus,

Brett Veets' GM, A-plus. Andy Reed, A-plus-plus. Patrick Mahomes, A-plus-plus-plus-plus. You can hide some flaws. The creativity is pouring out of the building. So Shady McCoy came on our show yesterday, and when he heard the story about Ron Rivera and the hard coaching, he used to be with BNamy in Kansas City,

and he said he wasn't surprised. I was part of that Kansas City Chiefs Championship team, and it was terrible. One of the first things I noticed is how he talks to the players. And if you notice when the players speak of Eric B, me, they say, he's a really, really good coach, you know, he's disciplined, he cares, he has your back. They don't say nothing about how he's teaching him,

how he's making them better. I just think that when Rivera talked about the players that are coming up to talk to him, these ain't third-string guys. These ain't second-string guys. These are starters. Like, hey, coach, I'm all down for the tough coaching, but when you start ripping players

and cussing them out and cursing them out, you now get the best out of them. So Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld made a lot of people on that show look really, really funny. Few have starred after it. How many Belichick assistants and coordinators left and unraveled overnight? When I left a company years ago, ESPN, I had some offers to go places. One of the things that was attractive about Fox, they'd been a successful company, the Murdoch family, in a lot of different areas. Four years.

Movie business, news business, local affiliate business, football. business, animation business. Like I wasn't going to go somewhere from my previous stop that was a wobbly franchise. It really matters. I'm not just talking for me, but for others. I don't know. I don't know if Eric B. Enemy is a star coach.

I don't know. But there was this clamoring that he deserves it. And my question is always, like I said, with Aaron Jets, does everybody understand how well-run the Packers are? They may not get free agents. They all wear dockers. not cool. But man, 20 years, I don't remember a bad old line. FARV, backups, Aaron, always had protection. Oh, it didn't always have a superstar receiver, a starback, or a great rush end, or a great lineback. But they always had protection and felt comfortable. Kansas City right now,

it's A plus all through the building. Even Steve Spagnola, he's an A, A plus defensive coordinator. There's a lot of A pluses. I don't know. I don't. I don't. I don't know what the enemy is. Could it just be that the building elevated him to a place, now left out sort of on an island with a defensive coach? He's not what we thought. I don't have an answer. But I did think it was interesting that it's already emerged to be a problem with certain

players. And Shady's comments yesterday doubled down on that. Ryan with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Sean Payton and the Broncos come in with high expectations after last season's 5 and 12 record. Peyton has said that his expectations is for Denver to be in the playoffs, adding he be angry if they didn't.

And it seems like Russell Wilson and the Broncos all agree. Here's what Russell had to say. That's a statement that we all know that we all want to do. Anything not first is second or last, in my opinion. He's a legend in this game and we trust everything he feels about it. Well, he won with Taysam Hill, James Winston, Teddy Bridgewater, and an older Drew Breeze. So he has succeeded with every quarterback he has touched. So I find it hard to believe that with Russell Wilson, who I think has many good years left,

that it's just not going to work. I mean, Taysam Hill's a runner and a limited thrower, 7 and 2. James, a lot of mistakes, winning record. Teddy, smaller quarterback, limited athletically, winner. Drew Breeze did not throw the ball deep down the field his last three years. Winner. He won with every single quarterback style. The mistake prone guy.

Drew Breeze, the accurate guy. Teddy the limited guy athletically. The hyper athletic guy, Tayson Hill. He won with everybody. So I think there's a combination deal here. I think there's a little Tayson Hill to Russell. He's not nearly as mistake prone, but he is athletic like James Winston. And he can also be very accurate.

and dominate the pocket at times, been around the league, smart guy like Drew Breeze. So I think you're getting Russell's a combo of what he's had, maybe not as accurate as Drew Breeze, but a combo deal of all of it. I find it hard to believe he's not going to succeed to some level. Absolutely. I mean, anything should be an improvement over what we saw last year, regardless of how great we already know that Sean Payton is. The only real question is not just the strength of their own division, but the strength of the conference as a whole is we're what's going to be the tough hill to climb when it comes to making the playoffs in that first year under Sean Payton. Yeah. Matthew Stafford and the Rams are looking to rebound after last season's

big drop off from their Super Bowl winning season. Stafford dealt with an elbow injury all season, which limited his training camp time and only allowed him to play in nine games. His former teammate, Andrew Whitworth, explaining how much that elbow injury actually hindered him on the Rich Eisen show. Last year was a really, really tough year. I mean, it's unfortunate he wasn't on the quarterback series that just came out because it would have been crazy if people see just how intense his arm issues and things that were bothering him. To not throw a football with your guys the entire offseason, basically. And then to get into camp and be like, hey, you can only so throw many balls a day

and only so many times a week to not have that ability to do that. Man, just the mental state he had to be in of struggling. to like, hey, I want to go out here and perform. I want to live up to the expectations. But, I mean, I'm just right now, I'm in a situation I can't. Well, I think their O line is better. They drafted their first pick was a star interior lineman. They went and got a tackle later in the draft.

I think their O line is better than last year and deeper. And it just fell apart. It was historically injury ravaged. So my guess is, if it's a quarterback coach league and it is, this team's not winning five games. They're just Stafford's too damn talented. McBay's too smart. And if the O-line, listen, they miss Whitworth today.

Let's just be honest about it. If Trent Williams left the Niners tomorrow, Brock Purdy would be running for his life. There's a handful of left tackles in the last 10 years that are just so incredibly significant, and I think it shows the value of Andrew Whitworth. Now, Vaughn Miller leaving didn't help the pass rush either, but I think in the end, we just have to acknowledge

Andrew Whitworth's a Hall of Fame left tackle, and for a quarterback Matt Stafford that's older and been hit a few times in his career, they just could not overcome that from the first game on. First game, if you recall, big pass rush, a lot of sacks, Stafford, one game in without Whitworth, fell apart. Matt did, the O'Line did, they could never overcome Whitworth's loss. Absolutely. And you're higher on the Rams than a lot of people to have a bounce back season. Yeah, eight wins, not 13. I don't, yeah, I think they're an eight-win team that'll be drafting somewhere 12th to 18th in the draft.

All right. Also, Cooper Cup coming back who had some injuries last year. Yep. The NFL revealed their top 10 players from their top 100 list earlier this week. Joe Burrow came in at number six on the list, making him the third best quarterback as voted on by the players. In his reveal, many players gave praise to Burrow, but nobody's comments stood out more than Patrick Mahomes. Here's what he had to say about Burrow. He's like a stone cold killer, man. It doesn't matter who he's playing.

He expects to win. People say that, people say that, but until you see people have that mentality, that's when you really know. He'll have that team ready to win football games every year. Even though we beat them last time, they're still three and one against us. And also, Burroughs another great advertisement, for it's not easy. He had to transfer out of Ohio State. he struggled his first year at LSU. He got injured seriously.

Was it first year at Cincinnati? He's never had a great offensive line been sacked as much as any quarterback in the league the last two years. Think of what he's had to overcome. We don't think of them as powerful, brilliant ownership. Zach Taylor, we think is smart, but had a bad record when he got there. Very tough conference overall. Yeah, I mean, so what's amazing about Joe Burrell, any time a fan base. Well, Daniel Jones doesn't have this, this, this.

Joe Burrow has good receivers. O-line's been a mess. They're bailing water every year. We don't love the owner. Still don't have an indoor practices facility in the winter, I don't believe. Tough division, brutal conference. And a coach with a bad record when he got there. So it's like, and by the way, they had a good defense, but they just got rid of their

safeties because now they've got to pay Burrow and other people. So it's like you can make excuses about all your quarter. quarterbacks. Joe Burrow has got a very much an Andrew Luck field. Not a lot has gone his way. The difference is he got to a Super Bowl, luck got to an AFC championship. But Andrew Luck had you just overcome and now we all acknowledge it. Burroughs on the same path. There was a Zach Taylor would have gotten run very quickly if he didn't win by that second year with Burrow. Good stuff, Ryan with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd lie news. I always say this about sports. Can you get comfortable with certain dark sides, inefficiencies, or realities with sports? I like UFC and NFL football. There's a regulated level of violence for both, and I'm comfortable with it. I've always been comfortable with my NBA stars taking political stands. I am comfortable with that. Same in track.

In baseball, I'm not necessarily comfortable with the pace or the lack of urgency. I don't watch as much except in the postseason. The PAC 12 has disintegrated in the last week, and now Cal and Stanford, two marvelous universities are looking for a home. Let's talk Stanford. Stanford is the harsh, truest reality of college sports. They're a world-class elite university academically. And they can't find a home.

And they win it every sport, everything, except football. And they can't find a home. Nobody's interested. They are a top five university in America, a top five campus, billionaires all over their rolodex. Once again, for the 26th time this year, they won the Learfield Directors Cup, which includes all sports. They win more than any university.

but college football pays the bills. Win at that and you'll have suitors. They don't enough. That's the difference between the SEC and the Big Ten. That's why they're both rolling. They're okay with being great at football. My entire life, and I'm a West Coast guy, my entire life, I felt that PAC 12 presidents were a little uncomfortable

with football being too powerful. We've got swimming team down the hall and volleyball too. In the Big Ten you do, but you realize where the bread is buttered and the revenue made, and Big Ten presidents certainly equals two Pack 12 presidents. Don't lose sleep on it. They're not idealistic in the Big Ten. They're realistic. Daddy pays all the bills.

He's going to get what he wants. Go to Columbus, Madison, Ann Arbor, East Lans, Lansing. Those stadiums are full. Those people are committed. Those donors write checks. Big 10 presidents. And by the way, the Big 10 is an equal to the PAC 12 academically. It is a wonderful academic conference. Wisconsin's remarkable, northwestern, Michigan, Penn State. Now they've added USC, UCLA and Washington. So don't give me this whole thing about, well, you know, the Big Ten cares a little, a little too much for football and not enough about academics. Academic powers throughout the Big Ten. I've always rooted for people who are authentic, who are passionate, and unapologetic.

And the PAC 12 always acted like they were a tad uncomfortable with football having too much power. memo to school presidents with a functioning brain. Football, regardless of your academics and all your other teams, take care of the people who take care of you. Football pays for the entire wedding every Saturday. Don't be embarrassed. America loves it. Your students love it.

The players love it. your alumni loves it, your donors love it. Stanford is literally great at everything. Except they're inconsistent and sometimes bad in football. And today they've got no suitors. All right. A lot of stuff. Greg Jennings around the corner.

Preseason games tonight, all fired up. C.J. Stroud will play. Looking forward to that. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays and noon Eastern. am pacific listen to comeback stories i'm darren waller you may know me best as a tied in for the new york giants you may also know me for my story of overcoming addiction and alcoholism you may have heard a few of my tracks as an artist or a producer you may have seen the work that i've done through my foundation

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this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes

of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, Follow at Clifford and a TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs?

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Vikings Dolphins got a look to a Fox Sports NFL analyst now joining us live. He's done first things first following the herd today at three Eastern FS1. So we said yesterday is that if you really look at these organizations, they're all companies. And Green Bay is a well-run company. Drafting, developing, very rarely in chaos, it's a well-run company. The Jets in the last decade have finished last seven times. They're not as well-run a company. So Aaron really essentially went from a well-run company with a well-run company with

little chaos, some of itself created, to a poorly run company. And yesterday, and this didn't happen in Green Bay much, Greg, his offensive line, it's duct taping on the tackles. They don't have any idea. And all of a sudden yesterday, it wasn't very good and it was a mess and he pointed it out. So I have said, I think that's the story this year. Aaron's never had bad protection. Your takeaway on maybe there were times maybe in Green Bay somebody's hurt, the protection eroded, Does that concern you about Aaron, 39 about to be 40, in front of a battle line? Well, it concerns me simply because his age and his deteriorating mobility, not because he can't get outside the pocket and run,

but because his willingness is not going to be as immediate to do it. Like, naturally, you get an older guy and you know they've seen a lot of things. You don't want them to get pressured from the A and B. gaps. That's right in the middle and the interior of the offensive line. And so with that being said, is it problematic? Of course. But is it something that Aaron Rogers will be able to work around? Yes. Is it ideal? No. But when you have a veteran guy who's seen a lot from defensive pressures, you want them to get rushed from outside. And so I think with them being able to identify their issue now, it's better. Moving forward, they're going to have to address it and they're hoping that

they can address it. But he will be able to cover up a lot of those woes just because he's going to be able to get rid of the ball. It's not going to bode well for the guys on the perimeter because you're not going to be able to take five, seven steps shots and action, play action, and different things like that. That's where it's going to really come to bite them. So, you know, it's interesting. When it comes to young quarterbacks, I tend to believe, Greg, that I'm less patient today than 10 to 15 years ago because of the quarterback camps. They're getting more reps in high school. that I did believe you had to give an Eli Manning three full years. I don't believe that.

I think by Thanksgiving of your second year, you've got to have a sense of what you got. These kids now are playing football year-round. They've got quarterback coaches, nutrition's different. And so I look at Jordan Love, and everybody's like, you've got to give him two years. Well, Greg, same coach, same system, three years. I believe by Thanksgiving, people in that building have to be. to make because next year is a great quarterback draft. I think by Thanksgiving

eight, nine games, you've got to kind of make a judgment. Is that unfair to you? You're saying next year, not this year. No, this year. By Thanksgiving nine games, this year. I'm going to know. I'm going to know something. So for me, I look at

Jordan Love in this situation as a guy that he's sat back, he's learned a lot, he's been around, not only the organization, but a great quarterback where he can pull from and absorb some information and knowledge on what to do, what not to do, all these things. And so you're at an advantage from that perspective. Where he is at a disadvantage is because he hasn't been on the field enough. He hasn't been exposed to running an offense, it being his in totality.

This is his chance and his opportunity. And for me, I think he's going to actually thrive. The problem is, because we've seen Aaron Rogers and the history of the quarterbacking in Green Bay excel for so many years, it's going to be hard for us to not compare what we would identify success as, success to meeting the standard that we have become accustomed to seeing in that green and gold uniform under center. So let's say he throws for 23 touchdowns and 11. 11 picks, 64% completion rating, 89 passer rating, 64% completion, 24% completion, 24 touchdowns, 11 picks, 23 touchdowns. And he's mobile. Do you think, okay, give him another year? Yeah, we can work with that.

We can work with that. I actually think he's going to be better than that this year. Those numbers, I do believe. I think he's going to be better than that. When you look at the lack of offensive production that we saw out of the Green Bay Packers, and obviously they got hot at the end of the season, Aaron Rogers didn't have a tremendous year. Could Jordan Love do that?

I felt like after that Dallas Cowboy Philadelphia Eagles stretch where they lost a couple of those games, I thought they should have moved on and allowed Jordan Love to get some exposure and experience then. Then you would have known walking into this season like what you at least have. kind of like the Deshaun Watson where the Cleveland Browns saw him in the last six games. It's like, oh, wow, we really needed that because he was very rusty. Now the expectations are you got a full off season, you got new guys around him. We know at least what we can't do, but we know at least what we have at the quarterback position. All right, so this is one that you'll have good insight on with Farr and Aaron Rogers.

So it's not the end of the world, but there's a pretty clear correlation. between the more you ask of DAC, the more mistakes he makes. His most efficient year was his first year in the league when Zeke was the best running back and the O-line was the best O-line. He had his highest passer rating. Last year he missed four games and he led the NFL in picks. Why? The O-line was in a rebuild.

Zeke was a shot fighter. Gallup wasn't as good as you thought and wasn't ready. So the more you ask, the more mistakes you get. Because he's a good quarterback. He's not a great one. So when he doubles down in camp and a good. again, has a massive interceptions. I know, I know, I know. Everybody's going to downplay it.

But come on now. It has to me, you know what? Are there other thing, Greg, practice means more now because starters don't play in the preseason. So coaches are ramping up the intensity of practice because they don't play starters anymore. Doesn't it mean something? Yeah.

Absolutely it means something. When we look at those interceptions that we saw the other day, Like, this is ones versus ones. You don't get that often during the regular season. So when you try to get good on good, you want it to be competitive and insituational football during practice. That's what we're seeing with Dak Prescott. He's throwing interceptions against one of the best defenses in all of football. And it's not that he's underthrowing guys because we see the underthrows.

It's the interceptions, like the one that Vanderas, this one right here, You cannot do this. This is elementary at the quarterback position. Pre-snap, he's staring down the defender in the area of which he wants to really go with the ball. Anyone can make this interception. We saw this last season, Colin. You can't have a veteran quarterback that has had success that has not thrown interceptions in previous seasons and then start doing these types of things when you have the personnel and the roster that can actually compete for a Super Bowl championship.

You can't have your quarterback making these mistakes. So what that then does to a coaching staff and players alike, it forces them to want to do more. It forces them to challenge you as a quarterback. And then you start pressing even more because you're out to prove that, look, I can get this done. I've done it before. However, when we've seen Dak Prescott at his best, you hit the nail on the head. He's been asked to do less. He wasn't forced to throw the ball around the park.

Like, Amari Cooper was such a benefit for Dak Prescott. We can downplay it as much as we want. Losing Amari Cooper has hurt Dak Prescott. In the Yahoo article that we listened to or we all read, it talked about the timing, the three steps, and receivers knowing the timing of the quarterback. Look, at the end of the day, everybody knows the timing. They know that things have to be done the right way.

It's a matter of doing it and executing. Amari Cooper was a route technician and discipline at what he needed to do. They no longer have that. They have really good receivers, but Dak Prescott, you can't make elementary mistakes with staring down defenders and giving your defense an opportunity to just get interceptions the easy way. By the way, let's show the video again. I know I've been fascinated with this. My staff makes fun of me.

I love practice video, but you don't get ones on ones. and if you watch the video of Dak Prescott, so the first one's up the right side line, it is a bad, it is a bad overthrow, like a bad NFL veteran overthrow. And you would think, just throw it away. Just throw it away.

Here's the other one. You're flushed out of the pocket. Underthrow. This is an underthrow. Bad and perfect weather. And the receiver has, Trayvon Diggs beat. If anything, you overthrow that shot.

This one is just, this one is, you can't, you can't do this. Because you get back into the film study, I'm being honest, you get back in the film study room and the coach is scratching his head, like, what, what are you looking at? Right. When I start questioning what you're looking at pre-snap, and prior to him getting that snap, he's looking over there already, and you have a flat route going over there, and you know that it's an outrout on top, you have a defender that's playing in that window. You can't, that's, that's, you're off that right away. Yep. Those are the mistakes he can't continue to make. Greg Jennings, bringing that heat on a Thursday.

We love it. He'll be on Speak After Us. As always looks great, sounds great. Thanks, Greg. Appreciate it, bud. You bet. Yeah, I mean, there was a throwaway and then he stares a guy down. It's something.

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