The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Rory goes back to back at The Masters, NBA playoff matchups

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

Colin Cowherd discusses Rory McIlroy becoming the 4th player all time to win back-to-back Masters after another thrilling finish in the final round. Colin explains why Rory is cementing himself as one of the top golfers ever after a 10-year drought failing to win a major championship. He looks at the NBA playoff matchups See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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J. Mack is back, and I want to talk about what everybody watched and what everybody was talking about yesterday. And this happens all the time. We've seen it with the superstars in our sports. Otani, John Elway, Michael Jordan, Rory McElroy, you see this incredibly audacious talent. And you're waiting for the first title, the first cup, the first ring, the first major, right? Or the first masters. And you're just waiting and waiting. And then when they break through like Rory did last year, it seems to give you this confident of a champion.

I thought the entire weekend, especially yesterday, was about recovery shots. And Rory McElroy, O for 16, now two for his last two at the Masters. He couldn't find the fairway all week. 31. That's all the fairways he hit. That's the lowest ever for a champion. His putting yesterday missed multiple birdie opportunities. On the par fives, over four days, he was minus 10. He did not play great golf through.

throughout. I mean, through six holes, he was two over and lost the lead. And then the birdie started piling up. He attacked 12, 13, 12s, a brutal hole, birdie, birdie. And this is often what it takes. You could see it with an L way, who went to many Super Bowls and got blown out. And he finally gets the run game. He gets the first. And everything kind of changes. Rory has never been Tiger. If Tiger went into a major with a lead on Sunday, seven strokes, he may win by 12. He suffocated the field. He didn't let people back in. That is not Rory. I mean, Rory can be wild. He can kind of add lib, be overly aggressive, which was often a Phil Mickelson tendency. And he lets you back in. He lets the field back in. I mean, he could have easily lost that

yesterday, even on 18, two-shot lead, one hole to play. It's like, bro, bring out a five wood. Let's just get it right in the middle of the fairway. Nope. Brings out the driver and maybe at his worst shot over four days. And that is Rory. Only Rory can lead by largest lead through 36 holes. And you tune in yesterday and you're like, they're going to crown him with another one. And you look up an hour and a half in and you're like, nope, nope, lost the lead. And then gets it back. And then almost comfortably wins back to back. I mean, he entered the back nine, three back,

and then it felt like an hour of 15 later, you're like, oh, no, he's got a comfortable lead. He opened the door. Others had opportunities. Scotty Schaeffler, Rose, Cam Young, but they couldn't close it. And I feel like we're seeing the fourth stage of Rory's career. There was the prodigy stage. There was the rock star stage.

there was the 10-11-year major drought stage. And now this is the legendary stage. The confidence of a champion, recovery shots, he's entering that. Is he greater than Phil Mickelson, who never won a U.S. Open? Rory's got the Grand Slam. Only a handful of golfers have won back-to-back at Augusta. He's great theater. He's great for the sport.

He's magnificent for the Masters, which had some challenges. The network covering it on 18, but here was Rory after. It's hard. It's hard to win golf tournaments. Especially around here. You've had maybe a couple of runaway winners over the years, but it always seems to be a very tight finish at this golf course. So I think it's the nature of the golf course.

It's the nature of what's at stake. But I really wonder, had he not won last year where you had to go to a playoff hole, would he have all those great recovery shots yesterday? I don't know. Rory, Tiger, Nick Faldo, Jack Nicholas, back-to-back Masters Champions. And he is absolutely great for the sport. All right, not counting playing games, the notable NBA playoff matchups are set. Been a rough year for the NBA.

I know, it has. Too many three-point shots. Stars missing games. an embarrassing tanking epidemic. Do they love the game or their legacies? I'm not sure. In my life, as we head into the playoffs, I've said this couple weeks ago, there's always, I think, really only three teams that can win a championship.

Celtics and OKC are the easy ones. Who's the third team? San Antonio would be historically young, but they've got a transformational player. I like Denver, but they've been banged up all year. Yokic has never been and missed this many games. Minnesota's talented. Why are they a sixth seed? And the Knicks are a fun story. And it's always cool when you have a big popular New York team in the playoffs in any sport. But let's be honest. No bench can't defend the three. Two best players are defensive liabilities. Every single champion, the last 30 years, has been a top three seed. So, yeah, I know you want the underdogs to win, but it's probably going to be Boston or Oklahoma City. My question is, do I like, like Denver or do I like San Antonio? Yokic is the best player. Aaron Gordon, however, has missed half the year. Murray's been healthy, but Yokic hasn't always been healthy. I think the one thing

I like about Denver is there's one player in this league that can attack Wembe. Go right at him and succeed. And that is Yokic. So if I had to say, is there a fourth team or maybe this is the third team, it would be Denver and not San Antonio. San Antonio. San Antonio. is historically way too young to win a championship. These two teams, Denver and San Antonio, met a couple Saturdays ago. It was a fantastic game. It went to overtime. And if you'll watch the game, a couple of things were clear.

Yokic is not intimidated by Wembe. And between Murray and Yokic and Gordon and their age, they're going to be a really tough out for either the Thunder or the Spurs. Chris Bruce Ardenai, after watching that game, felt the same way. Yokic was taking it to Wembe in overtime, which was true. But what I took from it is what you were saying. Like, I was watching that game like, oh, man, this is where you see the experience of the Denver Nuggets versus the inexperienced, the naivety, just never having been there of the Spurs.

And it showed up late in that game. So we've had seven different champions in seven years with the new aprons and collective bargaining. It's really hard to repeat. I'm just hoping the playoffs can deliver something because the regular season delivered a whole lot of nothing between the tanking epidemic and stars missing 73 or 75 percent of marquee television games and an overload on threes where it's homogenous and repetitive. they could really, really go for a great playoff stretch. We just watched March Madness, and what makes it so amazing is that it's sudden death. That is the opposite of the NBA playoffs. Seven games, seven games.

So there's not as much urgency. I think most of the great playoff action could come in the West. Again, I'm going to take OKC, Boston, and San Antonio is my three teams. If I had to pick a fourth, it would be Denver. A lot of stuff going on. You know, the Masters, you know, golf purists are a lot like soccer snobs that you know how soccer fans are. Soccer snobs. Well, we watch the Spanish League regularly and the Euro championships.

All right, Ethan, you knock yourself out. I show up for the World Cup. Golf guy can be a little like that. Well, I've got a four handicapped and I watched the Valero open twice. Well, I have a social life. Congratulations. But I will say the pushback on Rory McElroy is really interesting to me. So one of the pushbacks on him is, and I've said this my entire career, I don't root for underdogs. I like favorites. I like stars. I've got a life. You do too. I got a family. I got stuff I'm doing. I like stuff to suck me in and bring me in. And one of the criticisms of Rory McElroy is that he didn't want to play in the Texas

tournaments. He had no interest. And he's like, you know, I'm going to practice and this other players are eligible to do this. He went to Augusta, flew his golf stream into Augusta, a play, a couple practice rounds. He'd fly back, have, you know, dinner with the kids. And apparently that just, golf purists don't like it. And my take that, you know, success begets success. I have no problem with that. Here's Rory McElroy addressing how well he knows this course. He zoned in on this course and decided I'm not going to waste my time. His words on the Texas stuff. I honestly just don't like the three tournaments leading up to this event. I'd rather come up here. You know, I did a couple of days where I dropped Poppy to school, flew up here, played, landed back home and had dinner with her or had dinner with Eric and probably like, I, I, I didn't.

did a couple of day trips like that where I felt like that was a better use of my time than than going to Houston or San Antonio. Again, I love the authenticity. He's from Northern Ireland. The Texas tournaments don't work for him. And what he did at Augusta, the many practice rounds, others can do it as well. So I think, you know, that quote by him will undoubtedly rankle some. I don't get it.

I'm not a golf purist. I love the sport. I love watching the major. I sat in front of a TV for five and a half straight hours like many of you yesterday. But I think what makes him unique is, you know, he like Tiger, Prodigy, rock star, 11-year major drought, and now we're getting into the legendary stage. I mean, it feels like to me we've got a ton of runway left. He's 36.

He's in unbelievable shape. I really like the guy. And I don't know how to explain it other than some people have that. that sticky quality where I just can't turn the TV off. I just can't wait for the last shot. Again, on 18, we didn't necessarily see all of his shots, but I loved it. So J. Mack is back from some island far away. We are, you know, a little more than a week from the NFL draft.

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Like Michael Jordan had the persona and the style and the fashion and the coolness. I've always said, Michael will always be more beloved than LeBron because he was cooler than LeBron. LeBron's great, amazing. Michael was great and amazing and cool. And people say, oh, Jason Tatum is the face of the NBA, and he's like, I'm like, he's not that interesting and he doesn't have an aura. I'm not saying he's not a great kid.

It's just, I don't see the aura. And for years and years, I've been told, this is the next tiger, and this is the next tiger. And I just don't feel it. Rory's the only one that kind of feels like it. So, I mean, Scotty Schaeffler's amazing. So is Jordan Speath. but they've got kind of a Mike Trout feel to him. I respect them.

They're amazing. Purist love them. And there's just, I just don't feel the juice. I'm sorry. I mean, Scotty Schaeffler once got arrested at a golf tournament. Three days later, nobody cared. You know, I mean, that would be a story around Rory McElroy seven years later. We'd be referencing it.

Yeah, it just disappeared. So I think Rory's very, maybe it's because Rory is jacked, or he's wild, or he's emotional or he's vulnerable or he let you back in or like Phil Mickelson, you think he's got the tournament wrapped up and suddenly he trails. I don't know he can be combative. He's assertive. He's got some leadership qualities. He was, you know, on the forefront of the live PGA debate, good for him. But for years, I've been told this guy is going to be the next guy and there's just certain golfers. Arnold Palmer had it. You know, Phil had it. Rory's got it. Tiger obviously did. the bear did. It reminds me a little bit of Pete Sampras and Andre Agassie. Pete Sampras had the

Grand Slambs. Agassie had the star power. You know, Maconroe had the star power. You know, I never felt Boris Becker was just great. So we've seen it in golf. David Duval at his height, unbelievable. Didn't get me to a TV. I know. I'm not a purist. I don't have a three handicap. But Nick Faldo had a little bit of that. And Rory was asked about the comparisons now winning back to back to Falko. Today I tie Nick. So, yeah, there's obviously going to be that conversation and that debate is going to be hard. But it's a cool conversation to be a part of.

So, but again, like I, you know, it took me 10 years to win my fifth major and then, you know, my sixth ones come pretty, pretty soon after it. So, yeah, I'm not putting a number on it, but I certainly don't want to stop here. Yeah, I've said for years, if you care, I care. And Scotty Schaeffer at one point won a golf major and said, you know, it's not the most important thing to me. When Rory's on a golf course, it feels like the most important thing for him. He's screaming and yelling, and that matters. He lets you in. You see the highs and lows.

Anybody who's ever golfed, I don't care if you're a scratch golfer has, you know, had money on the line, had dinner on the line. had dinner on the line and just hit his worst shot at the worst time. That's Rory. And to be this dominant and have the occasional bad shots and Miss Bertie Puts and have a lead and blow it, and then he can be majestic for a seven, eight, nine hole stretch. You just get a little bit of everything with Rory McElroy. And I think it's fascinating.

Not that many golf, I mean, I've been watched the Masters like all of you forever. And I love the U.S. Open, especially on certain courses like Pebble. Beach, always love the British. But, I mean, look, there's a great example of Rory McElroy arms in the air. You can just know how much it means to him and his

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continue. Doc Rivers is quote, stepping down. as the Bucks coach. It's really unclear why he would step down. A lot of money coming his way. Maybe he knows Yonis is gone. But Doc Rivers is done. Apparently there were some locker room issues late in the season.

Yeah. According to Sam Amick. Yeah. The first name being floated. Wait for it. Taylor Jenkins, who was last seen feuding with John Morant back in the day in Memphis. Yeah. Get excited.

Colin, everything the Bucks have done to try to keep Yonner. Jonas has been a disaster. They tried for Dame Lillard. Did not work. They did the Miles Turner thing. I don't know if you saw his numbers this season. Total bust. And then the Doc Rivers.

Nothing's working. And now we begin the summer of Janus. I don't know. Do you think this has any impact on the big guy? I mean, it's interesting. Because when Doc Rivers got the job, my take is, okay, he's going to be a little bit like a Joe Torrey with the Yankees. Kind of a senior statesman, been around. I mean, Joe Torrey had been fired multiple.

times before the Yankees, but he comes into New York, he can handle the media, the honest thing felt kind of combustible with ownership, he's been around the block, and I mean, there's, he's always been knocked by not being a great in-series, in-game coach. That's been the criticism forever, but I figured he just kind of handle the dysfunction, and I'm not sure if it's his fault or not, he hasn't. It's festered, it's gotten worse. And this goes back to something John and I talked about last week is when a star, when people mention retirement, they're thinking of it, they're retired. They Aaron Rogers has talked about it so much.

Four years ago, he was talking about retirement. That's about the time he stopped working out in the offseason regularly. And it's the same thing. When people talk about unhappy with the contract, you've got to make moves fast. Because the longer you wait in this league, the less leverage you'll have. And now the sport Jason has changed. He's not a perimeter player. There's more threes than ever.

he's had multiple lower body injuries. I mean, I think he'd be a great fit with a Knicks. But how much, I mean, if you put him on the market, I don't know how much he gets now. No, you're right. That's a good point. I don't think he's going to get what he could have got a year ago before all the injuries. Listen, I don't want to hammer Doc Rivers.

He's had a really good career. We're not going to call it great. But I will say, Colin, I can't think of a professional sports coach who's done less with more than Doc Rivers. He had those stacked Clippers teams. He had loaded Sixers teams. He had Janice. Colin, he's got, you know, he had a great run in Boston with Hall of Fame players. I don't know.

I just, I can't put him in the elite class all-time coaches. Obviously, a really good coach. But to me, he's not elite. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody was arguing that. I mean, he's, I mean, listen, he gets along with people, social, you know, very social, Yes. Like, he's very, very well liked. But the criticisms that have haunted him is he's blown a lot of series leads and he's not great X's and O's guy.

And in the end, the one thing we thought he would be really good at is kind of, you know, just like Blake Griffin and Chris Ball, kind of making it all work. You know, creating sort of a uncaotic atmosphere. It's just festered. It's worse than ever. Yeah, definitely. All right, let's move on to the Lakers, Colin, and the NBA playoffs. in the West. Listen, I did miss a lot of this being out last week, but things have gone downhill for the Lakers bad, yet they still have home court advantage. They will host the Rockets in the

playoffs, thanks to a wacky Nuggets win over the Spurs on the season finale. JJ Reddick had an interesting comment. He was honest, without Luca and Reeves, and by the way, there's no updates on those guys. We don't know if it's going to be two weeks, three weeks. Anyways, Luca definitely going to miss game one. J.J. Reddick said everybody wants to play. us. I'm sure everybody wants to play us. Let's get that out there. Everybody wants to play us. There's probably teams that are in a position where they can start looking forward to potential second round matchups as well. We've seen some of those teams, you know, rest their entire lineup, basically. So we can't be concerned with all of that. Yeah, I mean, I think the reason they're not

mentioning Luca or Austin Reeves is because they're not going to play in this series at all. And if they were, it would be a hot topic. But they're done. I mean, it's actually, this was, this was the perfect matchup. If even Luca or Austin, if you didn't get both back, you got one back. It's a really good matchup because Houston's a flawed team with no true point guard. And they don't force Luca and Austin Reeves to defend like a Minnesota would with aunt or Oklahoma City would with SGA.

Houston was the perfect matchup. I mean, I do not remember. I honestly, try to think back of the NBA. And I don't have some encyclopedic knowledge of the league. But I don't remember a singular game. The Lakers were the hottest team in the league before Denver got hot in the last three weeks. They were the hottest team in the league. They were 15 and 2 in March.

They go to Oklahoma City. Their first and third best player get hurt and the season's over. In one game, it literally ended March. Might as well have not happened because we were looking at the play. and going, oh God, Houston's in big trouble. Yeah. Lakers would be favored. I don't remember a regular season NBA game where a team went from hottest in the league.

People were saying they're absolutely a Western Conference Finals team, too, can't compete in the first round, which I think right now they can. We would agree. Listen, I hyped that game as one of the games of the year. It was over within five minutes. And I did see your take afterward, calling them a fake Louis Vuitton bag, which is not very nice. but I would say their two best players are out. Austin Reeves. LeBron's been awesome.

Austin Rees is a better player. He can create more right now. So, Colin, the Rockets are just going to put Amman Thompson on LeBron and say, who else is going to initiate an offense. That's right. What are we doing? Luke Kennard here? I think Lakers are cooked unless those guys come back.

Final story, Colin, let's go to the NFL draft. We are less than two weeks away. Some drama trying to get manufactured in what's kind of a dull draft at the top. But Tom Pellasaro claims the Cowboys are the team most likely to make a move up, targeting someone like Rubin Bain Jr. There's some stuff floating around about him. Or Sunny Stiles, possibly if either of those guys drop out of the top five. The problem with this draft at the top is there's not a lot of juice.

After Mendoza, there's no quarterback, right? You've got a couple skill position guys. Dallas is expensive and talented in their defensive front. Roshan Gary now, Kenny Clark, Quinn and Williams. overshone, why would they move up? I mean, there's two good corners that'll both be available. Well, one will be available for sure with Dallas's 12th pick. And I mean, to me, I, why move up? I don't think, I mean, I think the best play, there's an argument, Fernando Mendoza is my favorite player in the draft. I would argue Jeremiah Love at running back is another can't miss.

I think the most underrated players probably that LSU corner but I don't see the value in moving up. Dallas needs two to three players in the back end of their defense and they can get two. If the Cowboys get lucky, I don't think he'll be available.

But Caleb Downs is moving down these mock draft boards. But to me, Dallas spends a lot of money on their D-line, their quarterback, and their star receiver, like, they need to get inexpensive and talented on the back end of their defense. Yeah, there's going to be guys available. Caleb Downs would be amazing, but I think his floor is like the Cincinnati Bengals. There's no way the Bengals are letting him go. Their back end is maybe the worst in the league.

But, yeah, I'm not buying this trade-up Cowboys. I don't see. Yeah, Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping me. The Herd-Ly News. So Nate Tice used to be on the athletic Robert Mays football podcast that a really deep dive on Fernando Mendoza, who at this point I think has entered a space where he's undervalued.

He talked about how he basically his ability on outroutes, maybe the best he's ever seen at college. They talk about his toughness that he doesn't play hero ball. He just hangs in, either throws the ball away or takes. a shot. He's effective on the move. He goes through a series of numbers. And he notes that Tyler Linderbaum, the second best center in the league, was also acquired. What I find fascinating about Fernando Mendoza is, again, I'm constantly told this new dual-threat quarterback coming out of Blank University is going to change the game. And they never do. Or this Alabama quarterback is the next Drew Breeze, and he never is.

Or that this cocky, undersized quarterback has the moxie of a Super Bowl champion, and it never transpires. Like I keep being told dual threat guy is going to change the league, or real cocky, confident, small guy is going to change the league. Or this Alabama quarterback is Drew Breeze, and I don't buy any of them. And yet we've got a 6-5 guy who on a couple of different NFL routes is about as accurate as a college quarterback's ever been, good arm, obsessed, kind of a Brady, Tom Brady level, obsessed, humility, grateful. I mean, Indiana, my entire life was just an awful football program. And last year they go 16 and 0 in maybe the toughest, I mean, of the college football playoffs we've had, it was as tough as any. His red zone numbers don't even make sense.

His red zone numbers in 2024 and 2025, 49 total touchdowns, no turnovers. The kid complete 75% of his throws. Think about this in the college football playoff. Ohio State defense, Miami defense, nine touchdowns, no turnovers. I don't get it. And a lot of people, I think some of this is,

well, Kurt, Sidney. Go back a year when Kurt Signetti punted, you know, like the 47-yard line trailing late in the game against Notre Dame. And we were all going, what a fraud. Give me a break. Why are you playing not to lose big? And then the following year, I'm supposed to believe Kurt Signetti is Nick Sabin times Bill Belichick. I think Kurt Signetti is excellent.

But if you go back to this team, they could have lost if Mendoza is not the quarterback. I think they lose to Miami, they lose to Ohio State, they lose to Penn State the game you're watching, and could have lost to Iowa and Oregon, they probably win those games. So I think Kurt Signetti is an excellent coach, excellent. I'm not arguing that at all. But just go back a year and change, we were crushing and appropriately so, Kurt Signetti, because he was punting near midfield losing Big the Notre Dame, as if he was protecting sort of, hey, we're going to get beat. we don't want to get embarrassed. He was getting clobbered. So I really don't get it. I mean, versus ranked opponents last year, and not just ranked opponents.

Miami and Ohio State defenses were stellar against ranked opponents, 74% completion percentage in the college football playoff, 75% completion percentage. I think is ball placement, accuracy, toughness, size, arm. People say, well, you know, he's a little, he's a little mechanical. That's what they said about Peyton Manning and Justin Herbert. That doesn't feel like a legitimate criticism. Yeah, it's Kurt Signetti punted from the Notre Dame 48, trailing 20 to 3 in the fourth quarter. We were crushing him.

And the next year, he's better than saving. I think Mendoza is the difference here. And I think Signetti's an excellent coach. But I think all coaches look better when they have Brady. I mean, we've seen Belichick in Cleveland, pre-Bradie in New England. the Matt Castle year and when Brady left. I mean, Belichick was considered way up here. The smartest coach ever.

He, Tom Brady leaves and he makes Matt Patricia the offensive coordinator. I mean, at pre-Mendoza, Signetti against Notre Dame, we're like, what a boring, uncreative game plan that is, non-competitive, punning at the 48, trailing by 17. I don't know. Here's Greg CoSell on Mendoza. I think being highly efficient playing the position, being an outstanding ball distributor, and an executor of a well-schemed offense is a good thing, Colin. And we've lost the ability to celebrate that because more and more quarterbacks are great athletes than ever before. But Mendoza, just to me, plays the position the right way.

He plays the position the way you have to play it to be consistent. Not to be flashy, not to be on highlight shows, but, you know, to play it the right way, snap after snap after snap. And by the way, that's a trait too. It's interesting. The writer, when talking about Mendoza, he went back to several games. And this person was doing the athletic football podcast. He has the most accurate out-rout thrower he ever remembers in college.

The thing I like about him, he's already got the Raider playbook. The kid's obsessed and grateful and humble. all the qualities that gave us, you know, a lot of those same qualities gave us Joe Montana and Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. So it's just weird. We live in a world where the quarterback is often overvalued or overhyped. I think Mendoza goes the other way. It's like, I don't get the critics. I mean, I liked Indiana's talent a lot.

Omar Cooper's a really good player. Omar Cooper's going to probably go in the second round. You know, he didn't have a Devonthe Smith in college. He didn't have, you know, an A.J. Brown in college. You know, Omar Cooper's a really good player. I like him a lot. He's probably going to go top of the second round in a weak draft. Right? Like, he could be the fifth receiver taken. There you go.

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We'll be like, we get it. At this age, he can't carry him. I don't think we'll question LeBron. The only thing we'll question if LeBron loses his future with the Lakers. He could still play next year and be a very effective top 20 player in the league. we don't question. Can still beat people off the dribble. He just can't play 43 minutes a night in a series like this with the men Thompson guarding him.

Can't do it. So if LeBron loses, it is a, that's a bummer. I wanted to see him against Houston with Luca, Austin Reeves, and LeBron. If Kevin Durant loses, don't just sort of, and I love Durant, but don't just sort of look at the resume and go, when do you win big without Steph Curry? I mean, think about this. The Rockets. We're second in the West last year.

They add KD and this year they're fifth. Well, Fred Van Bleet, don't want to hear it. Not interested in listening to that debate about the loss of Fred Van Bleet, undrafted. Good player, good player. So to me, Kevin Durant, not that his resume or legacy is on the line, but I mean, he did something at one point in his career that's kind of unprecedented. going to leave a dynasty and one of the great teammates in the sports history staff to go to Brooklyn and play with Kuki Karee. It did not work out well. In any other sport, if Aaron Judge

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It's a little interesting because either LeBron or KD are going to be shown the door. Here's Nick Wright last week on how important it is. that at least a couple of these playoffs series in the NBA go the distance or are captivating? The NBA definitively, these playoffs better be nothing but six and seven game epics. Because the last two months of the regular season have been teams trying against teams trying to lose and 30 points. So the playoffs better be cinema for the NBA. I think they might be, but they need to be. So back to Rory, in the last 40 years, Tiger Woods has won the most majors at 15.

So everybody else is battling for second place. Rory, Phil Mickelson, and Faldo are at six. And I think there's a real debate now, Rory or Phil Nicholson. Now, Phil took him a while to win some of those majors. he had kind of a fun, crazy life. I tend to think Rory, with this win, kind of surpasses Phil. It was a couple of reasons. And I love Phil Mickelson.

A couple of reasons. Rory's got the Grand Slam and Phil never won a U.S. Open. Now, and some of it was Phil Mickelson's doing. Phil finished second at the U.S. open six times. And I mean, we were all. I mean, anybody with a soul, a heart was rooting for Phil. But, you know, Phil's career was maddening. Unbelievable.

Lefty, unbelievable talent. But he doesn't have that U.S. open. Rory does. The second thing is, and, you know, this is the reality of sports. Mickelson was never the number one golfer. Tiger was forever. He was number two. Mickleson was number two. I looked it up this morning for 270 weeks. There was a guy named Tiger that was number one.

So Rory's been number one for 122 weeks. I don't know if he's currently number one. He's not, but he's got a long runway. And so I also think Rory, who's in impeccable shape, Phil got into better shape really late. Rory is an impeccable shape. I think since he broke through at the masters last year. He's just playing with a different level of confidence, which is what happens. It could be John Elway. It could be Michael Jordan. There's just a different level of confidence. But I tend to put Rory inches ahead because of his number one ranking and he's got the Grand Slam. He and Mickelson share something in common. Really aggressive. Sometimes, oftentimes of their benefit. sometimes you're shaking your head at the decisions they make in a golf course.

He talked about it yesterday. If you watch that perspective piece for an hour before the Masters, the Masters has historically rewarded, really aggressive golfers on Sunday. So, you know, for the criticisms, well, Mickelson, you know, he couldn't win U.S. opens. There was Tiger. I would argue Rory, the depth of golf talent. right now globally is about as good as it's ever been. So that's just the reality of Erez.

You don't get a lot of credit for seconds. Tom, Kite, and Mickelson finished second in a lot of big tournaments many times. Here was Rory on Saturday heading into the pivotal final round. I'd like to think that I'll play a little bit freer and I'll play like I've already. got a green jacket, which I do. Sometimes I maybe just have to remind myself of that. Yeah, I mean, Ricky Fowler is another guy that a lot of top ten finishes, a lot of almost really close. But I think, I think Rory feels like to me by inches has kind of moved ahead of Phil Mickelson, who is next to Tiger as popular as any golfer. I love that Brooks Kepka had a good weekend,

five under. I love that. So it is just fascinating. I, you know, When the live tour came out, my take was I always root for the golfer. I root for the individual. And our government has been in relationships with Middle Eastern oil. I'm okay if individual golfers, I've always watched for the golfer, not the course. The exception is Augusta. I didn't think it was the most lively weekend. And think about this, what have you to take a Rory out of the weekend?

I think it would have felt like an incredibly flat tournament. He gave us the incredible burst early, and then he falls out of the lead. Then he comes roaring back and fitting on 18 when he probably just should have played it safe. He didn't. Into the woods it goes. He recovers like he did all day yesterday.

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