The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Russell Wilson wanted people fired

Episode Date: February 24, 2023

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That's what you got. Got a great show for you. We'll take you to Seattle, where the story of the day is the quarterback that they don't have anymore. Plus, wait to hear what Bruce Arian said. about Tom Brady this year. The Lake Show got a win over the Golden State Warriors and did so using the three with some new weapons. Joe Barden's going to join us.

He also covers the NBA for the athletic. Plus, Andrew Brandt joins us in the third hour of the show. He was a longtime team executive. He helped negotiate these contracts. What is the process like in one, the Lamar Jackson deal where what I have stated all long has come out to be true. And also Aaron Rogers, can the Packers afford to trade Aaron Rogers considering the dead cap money, which is on the books?

Two different things with quarterbacks. Let's start with Lamar Jackson for just a moment. Okay, Lamar Jackson, it comes out. He only wants a fully guaranteed contract. Duh. Were we paying attention? This is what the Deshawn Watson contract has done. It's an outlier contract.

Basically what has happened. in Baltimore is the same thing that happened with the Jets back when Rex Ryan was the coach. You're like, huh? Okay, so I mean, got to take you back for one second. Okay, Dorel Revis was in the conversation, any conversation of the best cover corner in the league. Namdi Asimawai was the highest paid cornerback in the league. The going rate for everybody else would have been about $12 million a year. Namdi was making like 16 a year

and Dorel Revis said when the Jets said hey we think you're the best corner in the league fine pay me like the best corner in the league pay me like the best corner in the league ultimately ultimately he was I believe traded to Tampa

where he got the deal that he wanted they had disastrous seasons and then was only sent to the Patriots at the end of that deal won a Super Bowl, and then I believe worked his way back to the Jets. Lamar Jackson, as I told you, you can listen to the Doug Gottlieb show every day, three o'clock Eastern time, noon Pacific time. You can download the app as well that even though it hadn't been said publicly and now it's basically stated publicly because it's come out that every deal,

every offer that the Ravens sent to him was rejected because he wanted a fully guaranteed contract. he wants Deshawn Watson's contract plus a dollar plus whatever and look if you want to make the argument if you balance out a Deshaun Watson who's been very successful very well regarded but hasn't won an MVP he's torn his ACL twice and we're not even getting into the off the field issues but has off the field issues Lamar Jackson no off the field issues though he's gotten hurt with his knee nothing catastrophic nothing major. He's won an MVP. Deshawn Watson is not one MVP.

I believe they both won one road playoff game in their career and that's it. Like there's a lot of similarities there. The difference is, Sean Watson's a little bit, regard as a little bit better quarterback, I think, in totality,

Lamar Jackson, better athlete with a better upside because he's younger. But in years past, regardless of whether or not you're as good or better, but if you're close, the next guy gets a better deal.

The problem with Lamar's argument is there's been other deals that have been consummated after the Deshaun Watson deal, and none of them are fully guaranteed for five years. But use the Daryl Revis thing as the guide. You tell your guy, we think you're the best in the league. He says, I want to get paid like the best in the league. Then you offer a deal commensurate with some of the tops in the league, but not the one outlier deal. And here we are to stalemate. All right, let's get to the story of the day.

So the story of the day comes from the athletic, and ultimately, ultimately, there are no more secrets, only facts yet to be revealed. You weren't keeping what really happened with Russell Wilson in Seattle a secret. Eventually, the truth will come out. This is why, honestly, conspiracy theories, for the most part, those conspiracy theories, they're not. you can't keep secrets secrets any longer. You just cannot, you know. So we have the story that, and first will make sure we point out, Russell Wilson's people have said it's categorically false.

But it seems incredibly believable that Russell Wilson went to ownership. And remember, this is a weird time. Paul Allen passes away. his sister running the team, but she doesn't really like to run the day to day. So John Snyder in charge, along with Pete Carroll. But he goes and says, hey, look, basically does the reverse Jimmy Chitwood. You know, they stay, I go. I stay, they go.

And ultimately, it was Pete Carroll winning, Schneider winning, and he's in Denver. The irony to it is, or the interesting part about it, is that the coach, that he apparently wanted is Sean Peyton, who's now his coach in Denver. Oh, yeah, by the way, the truth is, it wasn't like it was Russell Wilson that made Sean Peyton want to coach in Denver. Matter of fact, it feels like, yeah, I want to coach Russell Wilson, but he's going to have to do it my way, not the way he wants to do it. I mean, look, all of this is completely believable.

You guys have listened to Colin, so of I, for years. He was the first one to point out, hey, Russell might want to go to a big city. This is who Russell is. Okay. All of the exposure of Russell Wilson, the phony, is something that most people in the league knew existed for a long time. I was with another quarterback once that was like, look, I think Russell Wilson's good. But, dude, just complete and total phony between the Broncos country, Les Ride. and everything around this year,

you know, where he's got his own throwing coach there and he's not throwing the ball out. Like, look, dude, if you're going to have your own throwing coach, great. You know what you should probably do? Throw the ball better than you threw the ball this year. These two things can both be true. Nathaniel Hackett can be completely over his head in regards to being a head coach in the league

and your play can fall off a cliff. fall off a cliff. I always find it interesting when a coach has been really successful with a quarterback and a quarterback wants to do more. And the coach, like, do you not think that if they thought Russell could win games on his own, they would have let Russ cook? Like, Pete Carroll doesn't want to run the football because he's some Neanderthal stuck in the, stuck in the 1980s.

Like, just run the ball, three yards in a cloud of dust. Only three things happen when you, he's not Darryl Royal. only three things happen when you pass the ball and two of them are bad. No. Again, this is, like I said, about head coaching hirings and GM hirings. The only unforgiven sin in professional sports, and frankly in collegiate sports, is losing. You think Pete Carroll wanted to lose? He thought the best way to give you a chance to win games is to run the football.

shorten the game. And then end of the game, he got a chance to win it. And that formula generally worked. The Seahawks were way better in terms of the results than they were on paper for years, even after the Legion of Boom. You know? So I sit here and think, none of this surprises me. Russell has been a fake supporter of Seattle for years and, you know, comes over and

does the cheeseball stuff, and only the difference with Russell being a phony, I didn't say Russell was a bad quarterback. Now, I have no idea what he has left. It sure looked like either he was out of shape and didn't work or his talent had fallen off a cliff or whatever it was. It was bad. But now Sean Payton's your coach. Be careful what you wish for.

You might well get it. He tried to off-peak Carroll and it didn't work. and oh yeah by the way it didn't work and he leaves and they go to the playoffs without him like that's the ultimate F you is hey dude

we didn't actually need you we went to the playoffs without you we trade you for picks and a couple of non-discreet players right and we end up we end up winning without you

that's the beauty of sport I mean it's just an unbelievable trade by the Seahawks who are laughing all the way to the Broncos first round pick this year. This has been a year in which Russell Wilson's really been exposed as not being authentic. That's one of the things about Aaron Rogers. I've actually always liked and kind of appreciate here. Like, is he a little bit loony tunes with the conspiracy theorists? Sure.

do I want to do a dark room? Not really. I don't want to sit in a dark room for three days and just listen to my own thoughts. That would be, that's a scary thought. You know, I don't need to hike Machu Picchu or get ayahuasca in order to find myself.

On the other hand, I do feel like the searching for greater meaning, the searching for inner peace, like these are real things. There's a real tangible, like, I didn't like that he, lied about the vaccine thing, but his pushback against authority is a real thing.

It's his personality. It's who he's always been. Whereas Russell, he's just trying to project an image. So do I believe that Russell Wilson, I didn't have anything to do with the category? Of course not. Do you know why? Because so many things about Russell have been inauthentic for like the last decade. And look, he's really, really good at understanding how to control the narrative in the media.

Even the baseball thing with how he left NC State and goes to Wisconsin. I've heard Colin talk about it. And their thing is like, oh, Jim O'Brien didn't want him anymore. Like, that's not true. It was his senior year in college. He was gone every summer because he was playing baseball. And he was like, look, if you want to be our starting quarterback, you've got to be here in the summer.

If not, the starting quarterback position is up for grabs. And Mike Lennon ended up being the guy who replaced him. He goes to Wisconsin, has an unbelievable year. They win a Rose Bowl with a stacked a roster as Wisconsin may will ever have. But the point is that it was, even what's said now about that is a narrative that's been controlled by Russell. You know, I believe in players. Players in the locker rooms, they can smell a phony. They just can.

You can't fool those guys. they know too much about their craft, they know too much about people, they're around you way more often, they know what's up. Like you may listen to interviews sometimes and have an athlete on, you're like, man,

I just don't know how bright that guy is. All right, maybe in communication in terms of on the radio, he's not great. Some of them are great. Some of them are not. But almost all of them are menses when it comes to their sport,

their craft, just like you are in your sport, your craft. If you're in finance, I'm going to ask you about finance. You could go off for tangents days. If you're in construction, I could ask you about things like, I don't know anything about. Same thing with football. And those guys are smart when it comes to football and people.

They get it. And look, the Legion of Boom, they couldn't get down with the guy. There was no tears of sadness when he left Seattle. All of this is getting exposed as he was handled with kid gloves. He was babyed. He got everything he wanted except to. call the plays the way that he wanted. And his pushback was he tried to get the coach and the GM fired.

They shipped him to Denver that everybody thought had a ready-made team with a defense and position players where you compete for a Super Bowl and they completely flamed out. It's okay to blame it on Nathaniel Hackett on some level. But at least a portion of it has been the exposure of who Russell Wilson really, really is. now everybody knows now everybody knows you wanted Sean Payton now you got Sean Payton you got three more years guaranteeing your contract

there's nothing they can do for a couple more years if you can't succeed now then Seattle wins yet again Seattle wins yet again Doug Gottliebitt for call this to heard on Fox Sports Radio app all right coming up next we'll take you

to the athletic where several riders along with Kail and Kailer who covered the story, shared what really went down in Seattle. What are the honest feelings from former Seahawks players about Russell Wilson? And does he have another great season in him or is he washed? We get to what they think. That's upcoming next in The Hurt.

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Radio app. The story everyone's talking about is co-authored by Kaelin Kaler, who joins us. She's a senior NFL writer for The Athletic, along with Mike Sando, Jason Jenkins. She co-wrote today's Russell Wilson article about his disastrous first season with Broncos and how he reportedly tried to get Pete Carroll and John Schneider fired in Seattle before he was traded. Kalyn, thanks so much for joining us. How are you? He, Doug. I'm doing well.

Thanks for having me. For people who have not yet read the story, how much of it focuses on this year as opposed to focusing on the past? Yeah, most of it is actually about his season in Denver and, you know, what led to probably the most disappointing season in Denver Broncos' franchise. history. The story starts with his exit in Seattle, and we reported that he asked ownership in Seattle. He asked for Schneider and Pete Carroll to be fired before that trade happened. So, you know, that's the beginning of this story, and we really just kind of trace everything

that's happened to Russell in the 12 months since then, because that happened last February. What was the response? Who did he ask, who did he ask to fire him? Well, we reported that he asked Seahawks ownership to fire both of them. And we're very confident in that reporting, but I can't really elaborate any further. I'm sure you understand, you know, with the sourcing that we have. So he has Seahawks ownership to fire both of those guys. And, you know, you're all very familiar. And this audience, I'm sure, is familiar with, you know, some of the falling out that Russell had.

with Seattle, you know, and his own, his agent obviously put out the list of trade destinations the year before that, you know, and then nothing happened that off season, but then last off season, it was kind of clear that it was going to come to an end there. So that's, that's what happened at the end of his Seattle tenure. And I think what's interesting is that, you know, that's going to be the main headline out of this story and obviously generating a ton of conversation today, which obviously it should. like that's very fair. But I think what we kind of learned the most is that our reporting on the Denver aspect of it is really how you understand sort of what went wrong this season in Denver. And it sort of explains a lot about Russell. You know, we reported that it was a headline all year that he had his personal quarterback

coach in the building and he had, you know, also some other staffers and nutritionists and a trainer also in the building. and that was new for him. In Seattle, his personal quarterbacks coach, his name is Jay Keeps. In Seattle, Jay Keeps did not have unlimited access to the facility, which he did in Denver. He was not in the staff meetings or like the offensive meetings, but he had access to the facility and was around pretty much every day. He had a constant presence in the building.

So that was new. That was more than he had been allowed in Seattle. And then, you know, he also had an office, which. generated a ton of headlines. And I think what we learned about that, we talked to one player who was trying to say that the office was okay because Russell as a quarterback, he spends more time than anybody else in the building,

so why shouldn't he have an office? But in doing so, he told us Russell made it known to his teammates that he had an open-door policy. That was his direct quote, open-door policy with his office, which at first sounds like, okay, well, that's nice. But then a coach, when we talked to a Denver coach from the 2020, he's down later, he was like, well, that's the problem.

Like, your open door should be your locker. Like, you shouldn't have to tell your teammates that you have an open door policy for your office because you should just be available at all times like everybody else is. So understanding sort of, like, what was going on behind the scenes and also how much control Russell had in the offense. One coach told us he brought the entire no huddle package from Seattle, including the code words that they would use in Seattle, and he was trying, he would often present Coach Hackett, the head coach there, with a list of plays for him to sign off on, for

inclusion into the offense. So a lot of this offense this season that we saw in Denver, which struggled, was coming from Russell, and Russell was instituting a lot of changes. And one, one coach told us that offensive linemen got frustrated because he kept adding additional cadences to the offense, which if you're an offensive lineman, I mean, that directly impacts you. You have to know when to go on the snap count. So if you're not familiar with the cadence, that can lead to a ton of false starts.

And they had the second most false starts in the NFL this season. And this coach told us that some of the offensive linemen would go to Russell and actually push back on those changes and say, hell no, like we're not going to do that. This isn't working for us. So I think what we learned about what happened in Denver with the amount of control that Russell had, the power that he had in Denver that they gave him, they signed off on this over the summer to have his team in his office.

That was the different. And, you know, that explains a lot about, you know, things he wanted in Seattle that he didn't get that he then did get in Denver. There was, this season was a disaster, as you point out. Hackett lost his job. He's now with the Jets. One of the issues they had was in getting plays in. Yeah. How much of the operation, quarterbacks, offensive people, they always talk about the operation.

How much of the operation being discombobulated was based upon Russell's influence not working along the same patterns as Hackett's influence? Yes. So it was definitely like a shared fault. Like, I mean, part of this was certainly Hackett not getting the play calls in in a timely manner and not being organized. And we know that that because he hired Jerry Rosberg after a week two, after the disaster, week two game against the Texans where the, the crowd was chanting the play clock at the team. So he hired Jerry Rothberg after that to sort of like help him organize, help him with game management,

help him with special teams, all of that, you know, things that a first time head coach might struggle with, which he certainly was struggling with. But the other part of it is that, you know, sources told us that Russell sometimes had an issue with relaying the playcog

and, sorry, not the play call, and within that, that when he got the play call, he would waste some time with coaching up players within the huddle, like telling, you know, teammates what exactly they needed to be doing. And some people put that issue on Russell and some people put that issue actually on the coaching staff, saying that the staff asked him to over-communicate because they didn't think that people on offense knew what they were doing. You know, so that points to a larger confusion on offense.

But one thing that Jerry Judy told me, which I thought was really interesting, and Jerry was actually given to us by the Broncos. They presented Jerry to us to speak to when we went to them for comment. And Jerry said, you know, because I was asking Jerry, what was going on in the huddle? Like, was Wilson wasting time? Was he coaching you guys up too much? What was going on in there? And he said mostly in the beginning, Russell would give us a motivational speech to get us going before that play.

I don't think he would say anything extra or unnecessary. he would give us a call and some motivational words and a little extra something like, get this block, but I don't think it was nothing long-winded. And then Kendall Hinton said he would always keep believing, believe. And I thought that was interesting because, you know, Judy was saying he didn't think he was doing anything unnecessary, but then he was also giving, you know, he's also spending a certain amount of time giving motivational speech to the players and some extra coaching words as well. Okay.

So Sean Payton was the guy that he supposedly wanted. Like, again, your report with other writers says that's what he wanted. Now he gets it. And one of the questions Sean was asked was about having his own coaches there. And I thought it was very funny that he was asked multiple times every time his answer was, I'm not familiar with that. Like, okay, by the fifth time you're asked about it, you're clearly familiar. Right, right.

Here's my question. You got your own nutritionist. your own throwing coach, yet people have remarked that, like, he doesn't look like he's in nearly as good as shape as he's been in. And then his ball didn't have the life it had had on previously. I get all the other stuff, but what's to lead us to believe that the ball is going to have new life now that his throwing coach isn't there? Yeah. I mean, the influence of having his team in the building or not is something that's really impossible to actually see if it, if it had any impact.

Like, it became such an outside story of people commenting on it that, you know, we reported, and I thought this was really interesting, we reported that in the last two weeks of the season, after Hackett was fired, Bronco's leadership initiated a conversation with Russell, and they brought up the topic of him having his staff and his own office. And within that conversation, they all agreed that Russell would not have his team around for the final two weeks and that he would not use his office. And, you know, after that, you know, Jerry Judy told us he was in the locker room a whole lot more than he was before because he wasn't in his office anymore.

And while players told us that they went into Russell's office and spent time with him there, and it was not just a place where Russell was hiding out alone, I do think it's really interesting to note that the team was trying to make changes at the end of the season. Obviously, the season was lost. it was not like they were going to suddenly win enough games to make the playoffs. Like there was no saving the season. It was gone. But they were making changes to try to improve, like, the culture within the building,

to try to get back onto the right track to feel good going into next year. And one of those changes was having Russell stopped using his office and not having his coaches in the building anymore. And I think that is really telling with what the impact of that was. Like everyone we talked to said, you know, they were very nice people. They were willing to help others. They were not intrusive. You know, they didn't get in the way of any other coaches.

They knew their role, stayed in their lane. But at the same time, I do think it created an effect of putting Russell above everybody else. And yes, when you're the franchise quarterback making a historical amount of money, you are going to be on that pedestal. But I think it put him like even higher and created disconnect. between him and the rest of the team. And when he stopped doing that in the last two weeks of the season, that's when we saw all of his teammates start tweeting in his defense.

So I don't know, you can put the pieces together there and think, okay, maybe that was the result of that. So the question becomes, though, can he rebuild those relationships? Because, you know, the old expression is you never get a second chance to make a first impression. I thought Hackett was cooked, you know, after week two. Like once you're not prepared NFL guys, they're all pros. They know the game. They're like, this guy doesn't have it.

I just wonder if there's that same mentality with Russell, which is, you know, Russell doesn't have it anymore, got too big for, his head got too big, doesn't make the same plays he used to make. Can he win those, that locker room back over? I think he can. I think, you know, in Seattle, I think he was running into issues with teammates because it had gone on for so long, whereas I think in Denver he still knew enough that I think he can repair this. And I also think Sean Payton, I mean, the end of our story is, Don't Reisner saying like they need Sean Payton, that Sean Payton is like the perfect coach for this situation because he's going to set a standard

and the players are going to have to meet it. I think the problem with Hackett was he was really trying to accommodate. to accommodate Russell because, you know, when he was in Green Bay with Aaron Rogers and Matt LaFlor, that first year was a really difficult transition. And, you know, we had sources say that, you know, Hackett said he didn't want to go through that tough transition. So he wanted to incorporate Russell as much as he could. And I think that was what the problem was, is that nobody was really keeping him in check and there was no consistency to the offense. And I think Sean Peyton, as a Super Bowl winning veteran head coach, you know, he's got an established identity and culture. And I think, you know, there isn't going to be the wiggle room that Russell had last year.

And I think that's going to be really good for him. And I think, you know, this is exactly like right on the side. I think Sean Payton is going to be exactly what he needed. And it's also a coach that he, as you mentioned earlier, that we reported, he said he's always wanted to play for. So, you know, it's almost like if it doesn't get better next year, then I think it's over. And I think it's kind of clear, like, all right,

he's not going to be what he was before, but I do think he's going to be a lot better next season. Kayla, this is an outstanding article. Really appreciate you joining us. Added kudos to Mike and to Jason who helped you co-write this thing. Thanks for joining us, and we really appreciate your perspective. Thanks, Doug. And sorry if I was rambling in my first answer. I feel like I went on for like seven minutes.

Don't worry. I ramble every day and yet somehow they keep letting me come back to work. Thanks for joining us. That's Kaylee and Kaler, of course, is the senior. writer for the athletic. I thought I got a couple big pieces out today. Let's get to Jason Stewart with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Wow, a lot to unpack there. Like, that was a lot of information over the last 10 minutes from

Kalin. And I don't even know where to start with that, but I will start with a little bit of news based on this Russell Wilson story. Russell tweeted, this morning, Doug, quote, I love Pete and he was a father figure to me, and John believed in me and drafted me as well. I never wanted them fired. All any of us wanted to do was win. I'll always have respect for them and love the city of Seattle. I guess this kind of goes back to believability. You talked in your open a couple of times about this sounds very believable this story. Do you believe Wilson's denial and apology? No, not for a second.

Not for a second. I mean, not for a second. Look, man, these seeds were planted and Colin was the first guy to say, hey, you know, Russell might want to go to a major market, which didn't make any sort of sense. It just didn't. Market size doesn't determine much of anything in the NFL. You know, Peyton Manning wasn't in gigantic markets, and he's the biggest. you know, post-football star. I mean, even Tom Brady, like, that's not market size.

But anyway, the point is that Russell was trying to get out of there for years. Russell's been exposed as being different than the Teflon image that he likes to promote. And so, no, I don't. Do I believe three talented writers who want to make sure their eyes were dotted and T's were crossed? I believe them over Russell. And, you know, to the I never wanted them to get fun. fired. Like, okay, like at no point that you say them or me, they just automatically wanted to trade the most successful quarterback the franchise ever had? Of course not. Like, I was born at

night, not last night. I do not believe his tweet. I'm with you on this. I mean, it's, it wasn't the first power move. It won't be the last, right? In sports or any corporate structure, I'm sure you've been involved in a power move. And he lost the power move or won it, however you want to look at it. I think the best part of the story is that... I think he won it because he got the new contract. No, he got the money. He got the new contract. And the Broncos are living with that contract and all the assets they traded and that to me is the most hilarious part of the story is that he made the power of move and it was part of the one of the worst trades in the history of sports. Real quick, a note about another NFL quarterback. Sam Howell is QB1 in Washington.

He spoke yesterday. He says, I'm obviously, He's super excited, super grateful that Coach Rivera has given me this opportunity. I want to start work now, looking forward to working with Coach Biennamy. I guess my question to you, Doug, is this. Sam Howe being anointed QB1 in February, or I think it was even January when Rivera said it, and then you hire Eric Beenemy and basically give him the keys to the entire thing. Does that strike you as strange that he's not going to have say in the QB1? won or is this probably going to change?

Oh, I don't think it changed. I mean, I think it's pretty obvious what Washington wants to do. What Washington wants to do is build around a young quarterback not making a ton of money. That's how they're going to get the entire team to buy in.

And look, when healthy, that defensive front should be dynamic. Now, they're going to have to pay some dudes coming up, but I think they want to, They want to build the overall roster, copy the Philadelphia model, have a young quarterback, play conservatively, and then unleash your defense much the way Philadelphia does. That's the model. And again, it's really hard to pull off.

And we don't know if Sam Howell is as good as Jalen Hertz. We don't know if Eric Bienimi is as good as Shane Steichen. And to this point, their roster isn't anywhere close to Philadelphia's roster. But I think that's what they're copying. interesting good luck eric bennamy with that structure so uh joel mb let's head to the NBA real fast great to see a full slate of games last night one of the headlines was joel ambide leads the sixers to a win over the grizzlies fun game to watch Joel said afterwards for me like i always say defense is more important than offense tonight i could not make any shots especially the one

I usually, once I usually make. But defensively, I thought I had to be Bill Russell tonight and able to kind of balance all that. Now, the stat line for Embed last night, Doug, 27 points, 19 rebounds, six assists, six blocks in 38 minutes. Is he the closest thing we have to Bill Russell? I don't think Bill Russell is, I mean, he said Bill Russell tonight. You know, Bill Russell was a great defensive player who just really.

rebounded and not really refined offensively. This guy is unbelievable at both ends. I've said this for a long time. Like Joel Embedd, he has all of the different trademarks to be one of the all-time greats in the history of the sport. And even though we've gone away from throwing the ball to some big guys in the post, he's agile enough, quick enough to still be able to score down there. And he can score facing the basket as well.

He's an incredible, incredible talent. I don't think he's Bill Russell like. And that is Jason Stewart with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. Start this year with a slam dunk in wireless savings. Switch to Consumer Cellular for talk, text, data, starting at just $20.

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Here's one. Bruce Ariens retires from the Buccaneers only after Tom Brady comes back. Huh. That one seemed odd. I remember his line, which was like, you know, I was going to stay on because it was going to be rough. but I decided to come back, you know, to help everybody out. And then when Tom Brady was come back, then I decided to retire because, well, I knew we'd have a good season.

That's what he said. Here's Bruce Ariens on with Rich Eisen talking about Tom Brady in the disappointing season. Tom wasn't himself, you know, with all the things that were going on. And I got to give him all the credit in the world for battling through what he went through last year for his first teammates. think the world of him. It wasn't the real-time Brady out there. Wasn't the real Tom Brady out there. Look, I do think it's been well-reported.

This is a guy who's lost a ton of weight, right? Lost a ton of weight. Looked different. And I thought one of the saddest things I've seen all year, do you guys see the NFL film stuff where Tom Brady? They're playing the 49ers. And he's, you know, come on, guys, let's go. Let's just keep trying.

let's keep pushing, let's just, and they're just sitting there going like, whatever, Tom. Pretty depressing. It was really kind of depressing, you know? It was, it was really, really depressing. It was on many levels sad. This is exactly what it was. But I'd love to know, like, what really happened there with, I truly believe that Tom Brady didn't think Arians was the right guy to help them help win. again. I thought he felt like he ran too loose a ship. And he has said essentially as much

in some interviews, you know, a different way of doing things, whatever. I just think Tom Brady's like, look, I'll come back. But I just, I can't, we can't do it the way Bruce wants to do it. Which is, is not that dissimilar from Russell Wilson on the other end. And Russell Wilson had sweat equity with the place. But I think it was the fact that Russell Wilson just doesn't have the buy-in from everybody else around him. Tom Brady, wherever he's gone,

the two places he's gone, still beloved by teammates. Russell Wilson, it's not the same. It doesn't feel the same. I will say this about the office thing. That's a real thing. When I was at ESPN, I think

I think Colin was the first to get at an office of the radio guys. We had our like little radio thing and we were all in a, we had, when I first got there, Colin, it was the same time, this was like 2003. We all had these cube. You walk in and there was this little area where it was all our cubes, our cubicles. And then when they changed and expanded, you know, me and Golick, we had a cubicle right next to each other.

And Cowherd got his own office. Now he got his own office because Greenie had his own office, but Greenie had his own office because he was also doing SportsCenter. And then once Colin got his own office, obviously everybody else wanted their office. And Colin's argument, which was a good one, which is like, hey, look, dude, I go from doing this to doing Sports Nation.

I'm here for a long time. You know, he's a meet two hours for the show sort of guy, and then he would do that, do the TV show, and then go home. It was a long stretch. But the office thing can set a lot of people off. Like, well, why does he have an office and I don't have an office? Oh, you got an open door policy.

Oh, you're an executive. now. You're not one of us. I totally get the office thing. Completely. And then once you get an office, you're like, man, I mean, I kind of like it. I mean, really what you want an office for is just to close the door and just not be any sound and nobody talked to me. I've had an office before. It's a, it's a cool thing. But it can for people who are in the same position or similar position who don't have an office, it can be a, it can be a touchy suburb. Oh, you got an office now. Oh, you're an executive now.

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