The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Sean Payton isn't overrated

Episode Date: February 2, 2023

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Came to a conclusion last night. I had a couple of desserts. They were both fantastic. I think I'm going to give working out and stand in shape or rest for like next 20 years. What's the point? That working out thing, that gym thing's a pyramid scheme. What's the point?

Robert Kraft was talking about Tom Brady. Bill Belichick put out a nice little, you know, memo about the greatness of Tom Brady and Robert Kraft said in the 100-year history of the NFL, there's never been a quarterback like Tom and there never will be again. You know, I think when you look back at Brady leaving New England, England, Tom has always been able to see around corners, right? He can kind of feel you do something for 20 years.

You could be a stockbroker. You could be a realtor. You could be a high school principal. You could be in construction. You do something for 20, 25 years. You can kind of, you kind of see around corners. You can see what's happening to your industry or a project. And Brady left New England. And you know why I left New England? To win more. And it sounds weird, right? Tampa's weird. It's a Cooky pirate ship. But they had much better weapons. They had an offensive coach. It was a bad division.

And the league was pivoting. And Tom saw it. Remember that year, that last year in New England, the cameras caught him multiple times yelling at receivers. Get open. Tom's smart. They couldn't draft or develop wide receivers. The league was pivoting.

And Tom saw it. He saw what Mahomes was doing in Kansas City. He looked around the league and saw what was happening. The NFL sells winning and its players sell winning, and this is why it's so much popular than every other sport. I love the NBA, but LeBron left four straight finals. He left winning to do business in L.A. The Lakers had a bad roster. They still do.

Kevin Durant left the dynasty to go play with a friend. I said at the times, if Mahomes left Kansas City to play with a buddy with the Jets, we'd make fun of him relentlessly. Mello was winning in Denver. Nah, I want to go to New York, big brand, big city. And Kyrie left winning because he wanted to satiate his ego and be the man. How'd that work out for you? Peyton Manning chose Denver. Go back.

A lot of teams wanted him. It was the best roster. He won a Super Bowl. Brady chose Tampa, offensive coach, league pivoting, Chris Godwit, Mike Evans, young tight ends. And he brought some friends to help him. In the NBA, it's about ego and business and brand and scoring and getting mine. And I love the sport.

Brady and Manning chose rosters. Kyrie chose being the man, a disaster in Boston. Kevin Durant chose playing with a friend, a disaster in Brooklyn. Mello chose Big City, New York, seven years, one playoff series win. Think about how bad the East was when Mello was in New York. It was awful. And he won one playoff series. And LeBron in Los Angeles, it's a mess, to be honest, it's been a mess.

But in the NFL, Matt Stafford said, get me a better coach, get me a better roster. I can win. And he got a Super Bowl. When Farrve went to the Vikings, remember that? People thought, oh, it's a grudge. No. Vikings the year before made the playoffs with Gus Ferat. And if I recall, Tavarish Jackson,

keep the thing, the thing. That's why NFL playoff games get 40 ratings, 37 million, 40 million. NBA playoffs, first round, get a million. Fans feel it. Because for fans, all that matters is winning. And for the NFL and players, all that matters is winning. Don't really care about shoe deals and ego and being the man.

You want to win games. I watched Brooklyn last night with KD fall behind to the Boston Celtics 46-219. Sitting at a restaurant watching it on the screen. And I'm like 4619 first quarter. How's that working out for you? That would be Mahomes, as great as he is, going to play with a friend. And that's why I think Tom Brady is retiring. Winning.

He left New England because he saw how the league was pivoting. And I think he looks at Tampa's roster. It's getting old in spots. and he thinks to himself, why am I doing this? This is not a Super Bowl team. He looks at the Niners. He looks at the Eagles roster. Tom sees around corners.

We're not a Super Bowl team. Patrick Mahomes will be on First Things First after our show today. Brady just retired and he talked about Tom. He has a little bit of that, he has the Jordan in them, that will to win and that will to be the best. I think that's what makes Tom so great. His will to bring his teammates along is special. And his will to be great and be the best is special.

And that's something that whenever I talk to Tom, I just try to learn as much as possible. And he's more than willing to give me some advice, which I think is pretty cool because he is the goat and someone that I want to try to chase. Patrick Mahomes later today on First Things First. It's powerful. The fans can feel it.

The networks can feel it. The advertisers can feel it. The players, it's all. about winning. Isn't that why we watch sports? Isn't that why we wear jerseys? I mean, I don't, but people do. Winning. It's the thing. So Sean Payton is now the head coach of the Denver Broncos. And I think sometimes people just say things to get attention like Sean Payton, it overrated. Feels like you've got some inside knowledge. He's not. When Sean Peyton took over the Saints, they were called the

aints. People wore paper bags over their head. They had less talent than the Houston Texans have now. They were three and 13. The following year with Sean Payton, three and 13, they were in the NFC championship game. And that was when Farr played for the Packers. Andy Reed

was with the Eagles. They were good teams. And it's not just that he won instantly and won big, but he had obstacles in New Orleans. Hurricane Katrina. His owner bought an NBA team and they took his GM Mickey Loomis and made him run both. He literally had a part-time general manager. Got suspended for a year too. In the 40 years before Sean Payton, the Saints had a single playoff win. He showed up in 15 years,

they had nine in a Super Bowl. In fact, Peyton's last year is a great example of how he could grind out wins when everything went wrong. They went nine and eight with Taysam Hill, James Winston, and Trevor Simeon. They went nine and eight his last year. That good Bucks team was in that division. Yeah. And Michael Thomas, his best wide receiver in an emerging wide receiver league didn't play. Alvin Camaro was hurt for a month. All sorts of injuries. And oh, by the way, Marquez Calloway was a leading receiver that year. And, yet they would have gotten into the playoffs in his final year, except for the Niners, beat the Rams, if I recall it was an overtime,

and therefore that knocked them out. And if you recall, with all those bad quarterbacks, they were good down the stretch, four and one. Three teams in the NFL this year went from last to the playoffs. The Giants, the Jags, and Seattle. Yeah, yeah. It's not complicated. I'm not sure if a bookstore has football for dummies,

but if it does buy it, Sean Payton's a really good coach. And less qualified, less successful coaches have turned things around much faster. I got a text last night from somebody very close inside the Denver organization that said people have no idea at what a circus the Broncos were with Nathaniel Hackett. really good guy over his head. And we see it occasionally.

Freddie Kitchens, Jim Tom Sula. Some would argue Dennis Allen coach of the Saints is just not, it's just not working. It didn't work in the Raiders. It doesn't work with the Saints. I don't know. But yeah, it's this idea that the Saints, it was easy. They had natural disasters. At one time he had a part-time general manager also running the basketball organization,

a suspension for a year, Trevor Simeon, an aging Drew Brees, Taysam Hill. Yeah, and they won a lot. The final year, if the Niners don't beat the Rams, they make the playoffs. He's good. Got some interesting information this morning. Could have a surprise guest coming up in the next couple of days. I'm not going to get into it. Could be a surprise guest.

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You're now entering the no bull zone, sponsored by credible great rates. None of the Bull. So, you know, it's funny. Jerry Jones, an oil maverick always been on the edge. He's always taking opportunities. Big risk guy when he bought the Cowboys. Jimmy Johnson all tells me those stories the first couple of years. He had bank loans to pay off.

He is a risk taker. And then something happened. I saw a story this morning that Stephen Jones, we are committed to giving Dak Prescott an extension, kicking the can down the road. Now, that deal with lower cap hits the next couple of years. for DAC. And you know what this is? This is Kirk Cousins and the Vikings. That's what they've done. Now, when you get Dak and Kirk Cousins, the two quarterbacks that I've constantly compared to each other,

you get professionalism, stability, and competency. I would never argue with that. They are franchise quarterbacks. But here's three things to realize. They have virtually identical numbers. I mean, virtually identical career numbers. It's crazy how even they are. For our radio audience, their passer ratings are identical, 97.8. Completion percentages, 66. Passer, their records, they're passing yards per game. Same guy.

I've been saying this for years. Dak is Kirk Cousins with a better brand. They also struggle against better teams, and they do very well, very well, against the bad teams in their division. And the Vikings have always chosen to just extend Kirk and figure it out and manipulate and figure it out and extend it and how's it working. Philadelphia now, I mean, Dak and Cousins, it's a 401K of the NFL. Philadelphia is like, we're going to pull out about half of our 401K and go into a startup, a tech company. Big risk.

Two Super Bowl trips. Already won one. Favor to win another. But it is interesting because Jerry's an oil guy and a, maven and a maverick and all those, you know, guts and, and this is the Vikings. This is just exactly what the Vikings are doing. Well, let's renegotiate it. Let's extend it.

Going to have to pay them all that money eventually. Beat the bad teams, struggle with the good teams, nearly identical BP plus quarterbacks. Professional, stable, competent, good guys, never awful. Jerry Jones this week talking about the fine line between aggressive and stability when he's thinking about a deal. Anybody that thinks I won't take a chance has misread the tea leaves.

But I do think longer term and I'm real hesitant to bet it all for a year. And there's a lot of things that can happen for that year. In essence, we're seeing a couple of teams that have had some real success putting it all out there and paying it paying for it later my point is that i do know how to take risk uh they're absolutely right we have been uh in the middle here for a few years i like where we are right now more in the middle he's honest that is exactly where

they are they're not at the top they're uh they're middle to slightly above middle And really hard questions to ask going forward. It is also mostly, despite what happened with an 11-0 record in close games this year, to where the Vikings mostly are. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the headline news.

I like the interview Jerry gave you. It looked like he was about to go on a hunting trip at like 4 a.m., didn't it? Like the Camo look. Let's start with the Eagles. Back in the Super Bowl for the first time since 2017. Only seven players from that team are still in Philadelphia. You know, there could be some distractions leading up to the Super Bowl. Nick Siriani, though, he's hoping to keep things as normal as possible over the next week and a half.

It's going to go back to the same thing that we kind of started the playoffs with. Like, it is the next game. And don't try to make it too much. Like, don't try to make too much of it as far as we understand the stakes. Everybody understands the stakes. but our job is to literally look at the day of where we are right now and take the steps that we need to take today. Like, that's not going to change. This is the biggest game in football.

We all know that. Like, it's the biggest game. It's the Super Bowl, right? It's the biggest game that anybody will ever play in football. We understand that. But when you start treating these games differently, that's when there's mistakes happen. Well, the truth is it's a longer halftime. longer commercial breaks, longest break before the game, more media than ever. It is different.

Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah. So the thing Philadelphia has going for it, and to a large degree, Kansas City does too, but Philadelphia's got a lot of veteran players. So Jalen Hertz isn't a veteran, but he's been playing football a while at big programs, Oklahoma, Alabama, is, you know, Philadelphia, a lot of their dudes, they're closer to retirement than I think people think. I mean, I've, if, If some of these linemen, O&D linemen for the Eagles, said, I'm going to call it a career, you'd be like, okay. And so I think that helps. These guys have been in playoff games, big games. They won't be overwhelmed by it.

You know, Andy Reed, Mahomes won't be overwhelmed. But most of their offensive players have, you know, the key guys. A lot of them have years on them. I looked this up. Three years ago, Nick Siriani was the offensive coordinator of the Colts. And now he's leading the Eagles into the Super Bowl. I love how the NFL can just flip quickly like that. I mean, that is a massive leap for Nick Siriani.

Offensive coordinator of the Colts. And now he's got the Eagles about to win a Super Bowl. That's crazy. And, you know, there was a lot of skepticism, not just by me. There was a lot of skepticism early on Nick Seriani. Even as a hire. As a hire. There was a lot of who?

I remember when he got hired, he wasn't on, that wasn't a name that we were discussing of the candidates. Right. And then he became the. coach really quickly. Good luck to the Eagles. Next up, Kellyn Moore and Justin Herbert teaming up for the Chargers offensively this season. I'm very excited about it. Herbert has already shown what he's capable of through his first three seasons. Kellan Moore, oh my gosh, he's so geeked to work with Justin Herbert. Justin, we know the physical talent. He obviously does a tremendous job. I think it's been

really cool to watch him from a fundamental perspective, and he's gone from Oregon into the NFL and transition and started playing under center. He has done such a phenomenal job of that. And the play action game, the movement game, we know his ability to throw it down field. I'm just really, really excited to be able to work with Justin Herbert and hopefully help him in some way he continues to build the career he is going to have. Colin, I know people are going to think Herbert are going overboard. This team led the Jags with 27-0 a few weeks ago in the playoffs. All you have to do is go look at the best year Justin Herbert's head.

was this rookie year. Now, does that make any sense? He had his worst offensive line, and he was a rookie. Why did he have his best year? Because he had his best offensive coordinator, who is now the coordinator for the Eagles. Then another coordinator came in, and this team suddenly got awful with a better own line, more experience. I think that's because they bounced Anthony Lynn, the head coach, right? Right. And so, but he had a really good coordinator, his first year. And he crushed with a bad O-line and no NFL experience. The last, this year, they were as bad a second-half offense as they were. They were the worst second-half offense with a legitimate star quarterback in the league.

They came out with good game plans. And then at halftime, the defensive adjusted. Didn't adjust. And Lombardi did not make any adjustments offensively. What's Doug Peterson known for? Adjustments. What's Belichick known for? Adjustments.

I mean, if you start looking at the best coaches, Zach Taylor and that Bengals team, adjustments, Andy Reed adjustments, that's the difference between the great coordinators and the guys is, okay, everybody can sit in a film room and draw up 15 plays with a great quarterback. What do you do at half? The Chargers were an anemic second half offense. In fact, they were the only awful second half offense in the league with a star quarterback. So this kid, at his best,

no NFL experience and an old line that was a disaster when he had a more creative, progressive, offensive mind helping him. A reminder, a year ago at this time, the Eagles had gotten destroyed by Tampa in the playoffs. Remember, Jalen Hertz looked a little overwhelmed in Tampa? I think it was 31-0 at one point. They pick up A.J. Brown in the off-season, they're now in the Super Bowl. It's not crazy for me to say, Justin Herbert and the Chargers, with the right off-season mover two, positioned themselves to be in the Super Bowl next year.

How good is that division? Because, you know, Peyton's going to win games in Denver, duh. This division now is... Now, that's why, you know, it's interesting. If you look at the division now, it's Andy Reid Mahomes, Sean Peyton Russell Wilson, and Justin Herbert now gets another really, really high-end coordinator. If you're the Raiders, you're going to sit back there with Jared Stidham,

maybe it's time to call Green Bay. We should do a segment, five teams that you would bet futures on to make the Super Bowl next year. That would be fun. Like, if you could pick five, chargers are definitely one of my five for next season. Oh, okay, all right. Would you put them in your five?

I'd have to sit. The Niners don't have a quarterback, so they're out. Dallas is going to have to move off people. Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, I mean, San Francisco has no quarterback. I mean, Trey Lancet will be year three in the Shanahan system. He completed 55% of his throws last year. Okay. San Francisco out.

Interesting. We definitely need to do this. Philadelphia is back in. Kansas City's in. Since he's in, there's three. So you need two more. Buffalo's out. Buffalo's out.

Jets aren't getting in. I wasn't even going to say it. You said it. Final story. You talked about watching the NBA last night. Holy hell, what did the Celtics do to Brooklyn? Oh my gosh. They got out to a 30-point lead in the first quarter and did not let up.

They kept their foot on the throat. I think they led by 49? It was 46-19. End of the first quarter. The sound was down where I was watching, but I was sitting there watching it. It was brutal. The third best player in the NBA, Jason Tatum, had 31 points. Jalen Brown, 26.

Celtics blow out the Netsby. Let me do the math here. 43 points, Colin. Can you imagine leaving the Warriors for this nonsense? I mean, this has been a complete disaster. It's just a hard. It's a bummer that Kevin Durant's greatness, we don't get to watch it in June. It's a bummer.

We might. There's a chance there's no. At least I don't think so. Are they getting by Milwaukee and Boston? There are reports out there from various sources that are feet on the ground covering the NBA. The Simmons thing is wearing some people out. Yeah. Jacques Vaughn talked about it.

Remember we had a quick item on that. Sixers or Nets? Who do you have higher right now in the East? Sixers. They're just more functional. So nets are four. No, no, no, no. Very tough.

No, Cleveland's fourth. Oh. I don't buy, I would say Milwaukee, if they're healthy, one. Boston, a very, one-A. Yeah. Philly three, Cleveland, four. We don't need to go past four because the fifth seed's not winning it. So that's the four.

Cleveland's. Tough to doubt Kevin Durant, but it's easy to doubt Kyrie Irving, at least for me. Yeah, I don't buy the Brooklyn thing. I think they're not built for the postseason. at all. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News.

So it is, we have to do our daily Aaron Rogers story. So yesterday, Devante Adams was, I guess, on the internet, on social media, you know, insinuating. Somebody asked, what neighborhood is Aaron Rogers moving to? And Devante Adams on social media said mine. My guess is that Aaron is not going to retire for two reasons. He can make another $100 million. I know money doesn't matter to him. It matters to everybody.

And the second thing is Tom Brady retired. Do you really want to share the podium in Canton with Tom Brady? You really want to be second billing to Tom Brady in Canton. Your whole career you've been second billing to Tom Brady. You want to do it in Canton? Play one more year. We watch Brady cry at the Hall of Fame speech. Then Aaron Rogers do the Hall of Fame speech the next year is the leading marquee guy.

So there's that. But it's interesting when I think about the Raiders is that in a lot of decisions I've made in my life. I've made the decision based on who is in my ear. Who is telling me whether I've changed companies, I've changed agents, I've made big moves, who's in my ear? And that's important to think about. So Aaron Rogers to the Jets gets a lot of talk. But Aaron's smart enough. That's a wobbly ownership. Got a coach that's got a winner. He's fired. A bunch of young kids. It's a weird, bad old line. But Aaron to the Raiders is West Coast, DeVante Adams and Great Weapons, offensive head coach with the ring. And I do think privately,

Green Bay looks at the Raiders and thinks, listen, they've already said, through some, sources and leaks were sending them to the AFC. Whereas the bills feel like they're declining, the Patriots don't have weapons. Who knows about two his health? You could see Aaron Rogers if he went to the Jets winning that division. It wouldn't be crazy. New York's got good talent. But if you put him in the Mahomes division, the Sean Peyton Russell Wilson division,

Herbert with a good old line or good OC, I think privately, that's where Green Bay would love to send Aaron Rogers to the Raiders. Not one in that division. That is a great. You got coaching, you got star quarterbacks, and, you know, it's interesting. Let's go back to my initial point about who's in your ear. So you know Josh McDaniels is telling Mark Davis the owner of the Raiders. Okay.

Now Sean's in the division. They're going to fix Russell. Okay. Now, Kellyn Moore with Justin Herbert and Mahomes. We've got to go big here. Okay, we're not draft on a college quarterback. Josh McDaniels, by the way, was having private meetings with the owner last year. He doesn't have another year to win six games.

So Josh McDaniels, in the ear of Mark Davis, let's get Aaron. Who else is? Devante Adams, who doesn't want to play with Jared Stidham. He got frustrated with Derek Carr. I don't want to play with a rookie. who are the two people in Mark Davis, and he's been influenced before by guys like John Grude. Who's in his ear? His coach and his star player are both saying, get Aaron Rogers.

And by the way, it is what the Raiders need to do. So much of this league is job survival because these jobs, there's 32 of them. They're the best jobs in the world. In pro sports, NBA is a job you're hired to get fired outside of a pot. Lopovich or a Spolstra. It's just the coach of the year gets fired two years later, right out. Say your curs and spolstra's. In the NFL, these are gold bars.

And I, Josh McDaniels, Peyton and Russell, Herbert with a legit OC, or a big time OC, Mahalms and Reed. And remember, Kansas City's young in some of these spots defensively. They're just going to get better. And they've got a lot of gas trade draft picks. Aaron to the Raiders. You know who is lobbying hard for that. I hear you.

I like the idea. I do have to ask. Josh McDaniels has feuded with many a quarterback. He is very prickly. Him and Jay Cutler got into it from the jump. Jay Cutler apparently walked out of the first meeting in Denver was like, get me the hell out of here. Derek Carr was dressed down in front of the team by Josh McDaniels.

Players were saying, man, it's kind of not fair what he's doing to Derek Carr. You think Aaron Rogers is going to take that crap from Josh McDaniel? who hasn't won Jack Squat? I don't want to hear about the Super Bowl's with Belichick and Brady. What has Josh McDaniels done that he's going to take that kind of behavior from Aaron Rogers? Well, first of all, Tom Brady's relationship with Josh McDaniels, despite one piece of video evidence, was really strong. Yes. They really like each other.

Tom and Aaron are friends. They talk. So Aaron would call Tom and say, what do you make of Josh McDaniels? Over the course of a decade working with a coach, you get a right to bark. bark at you, you bark at them. Let's not make too much of Josh McDaniels barking at Brady. In a game, by the way, not even at practice. I think Brady would overwhelmingly give him a a plus plus. Listen, when Brady went and dealt with Bruce Ariens, you don't think Brady ever texted Josh McDaniels back. Hey, come down to Tampa. He was feuding with Bruce Ariens.

And Tom doesn't really feud with coaches. And that thing until like that by week, week 12, they were seven and five. That's a good point. So, A, Darren Waller, Hunter Renfro, Devonte Adams, Josh Jacobs, legit. The Raiders O line, I don't think is great, but PFF rates it way higher than everybody all things. Hold on. Aaron Rogers makes a ton of money. I don't think they're going to be able to keep Jacobs and Waller. I mean, I was reading Albert Breer.

This, I mean, Roger's salary is ridiculous, Colin. They're going to have to do something. They're going to have to unload some guys to be able to afford him. I mean, he's one of the highest paid quarterbacks next year in the league. hit on some draft picks. We don't need more good quarterbacks in the AFC if the Jets are going to make the playoffs. It's just very difficult. It does feel hopeless.

If he goes to the Raiders. I just don't see why Aaron Rogers wouldn't say, you know what, I'm going to stay and win this NFC and go to the Super Bowl. That's the best chance right there. No, we talked about this yesterday. But Aaron Rogers said two days ago with Pat McAfee, they're having discussions without me. So remember, they can trade him. Don't we make fun of Jerry Jones for meeting with the media all the time? Why are we making fun of Rogers for going on Pat McAfee's show every week to just pop off about whatever's on his mind?

Because it's very appropriate for players to have opinions about football. It's not as appropriate for owners on a Monday to constantly be talking about football. Let players and coaches talk about football. They're playing it. They're putting their bodies at risk. I feel like you're turning around on Aaron Rogers. You guys are, is there a bromance behind the scenes I don't know about? No.

No. Always said, first ballot Hall of Famer. Think he's a little high maintenance? Little high maintenance? A little passive aggressive, but he's absolutely great. And I think the Raiders, two as stars, two big stars. Devante Adams and Josh McDaniels, the coach. He's a big dog there, right? Big salary.

I think they're in Mark Davis. You made a list of the most high maintenance NFL quarterbacks. Aaron Rogers is number one at the top. And then there's a massive gap for whoever number two is. Kyler Murray? Massive gap to Kyler Murray, yes. Aaron Rogers is number one by a mall. It's not even close.

Come on. That's unfair. Aaron is, Aaron has a lot of money. He wants to do what he wants to do in the offseason. He's single, doesn't have kids. Aaron has every right to do what he wants. I think he made a mistake this year, not committing with two small college rookie receivers. Aaron's a Hall of Famer.

He's great. It's a little high maintenance for me. You know what? so is LeBron sometimes. It's okay. When you're worth $150 million, when I hit the power ball, trust me,

I'm going to have breakfast served on set four days a week. You know the best comment I saw on the internet this week? Tom Brady has more retirements, two, than Aaron Rogers has Super Bowls. Come on. That is enough. Don't compare Aaron Rogers to LeBron. Come on now.

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You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw,

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Take a look at our amazing set that's being built in Arizona. We will be there next Thursday and Friday right outside State Farm Stadium. We'll have great guests getting ready for the Eagles and Chiefs. That's next week right here on The Hurt. The best part about working for a network have had two now where my net or well, no, only one because ESPN at the time had never had a Super Bowl. So it's always great to go to a major event where your network has rights to it because you get the best sets and you get the best proximity. And so at Fox, it'll be a great week. We'll have great guests, great set, great look, great proximity.

Arizona is an interesting Super Bowl site because you have the games in Glendale, the vibe is in Scottsdale, and there's events downtown in Phoenix. So, Whereas in Miami, it's smaller. It's all Ocean Drive, Ocean Avenue. Remember how good Miami was? That was good. I think Miami is the best Super Bowl city in the country. In all the Super Bowls I've been to, Miami to me does it better because it's all concentrated, largely downtown Miami until the game when you go.

Yeah, yeah. But all the restaurants, all the vibe, all the beach, all the activities. It's right close. I've heard New Orleans is good, but I've never been to a Super Bowl there. It is. We did Houston in 2016. That was not bad. Houston's a driving city.

I said not bad. I didn't say, I mean, I enjoyed it. Atlanta, Dallas was a bit of my mask because of the ice storm and there was people standing in Fort Worth and then there's Dallas and the ice storm just, it was the strangest week. Do you remember the flight back from Miami? It was right as COVID was getting ready to start. And I gave you a mask before we took our flight back.

Do you remember that? No. Of course you don't. I don't remember it. I was like, oh, everybody's going to have a mask on on the flight. handed you one, like four people were wearing masks. I remember not to bore you, but I remember the Dallas Super Bowl. I left the Saturday morning.

Instead of staying for the game, I left Saturday morning to go back to Connecticut. And I got on a plane. I worked, you know, got on the plane and was in a nice seat, like seat four or five. I didn't really pay attention to it. And as we were about to take off, one of the stewards or stewardesses said, not many people on this flight, and I looked back, there was nobody on it. There was like six of us in first class. There was nobody on the flight.

It was 100 empty seats. I'd never, I thought Saturday morning, everybody's going to the Super Bowl. Nobody's leaving it on Saturday. And so it was one of those. They had to get a plane back to the northeast because all the planes were flying in in Dallas. It was the strangest flight I've ever been on. So this is interesting.

Patrick Mahomes is an underdog for the first time in the play. So I read this this morning. It was a 15-game streak of being postseason favorites. So it's kind of remarkable. First time that he is an underdog in the playoffs. And that just speaks to how good Philadelphia is. And even though the margins in college football, we see blowouts all the time. I mean, even in the playoff, you'll see blowouts.

Generally, the margins in the NFL between the best team and the worst team are very, very close. I saw the Houston Texans play a couple of good teams very close this year. But here's what's interesting. If you go back and look at history, even in professional football, the Super Bowl champ blows out over half its schedule. So the Eagles with Jalen Hertz starting this year, entire season, including playoffs, had eight blowout wins and are a point from nine. And we consider a blowout 10 plus points.

So they're a point away from nine blowout wins. The Rams, the year before, had a low number, only seven blowout wins, but they played in a great division. Arizona at the time was surging. The Niners were legitimate. Seattle had Russell Wilson last year. So the Rams, when they were Super Bowl champs, had only seven in a very strong division, strong schedule. But the bucks that won with Brady, 10 blowout wins. The Chiefs in 2019 with Mahomes, 10 blowout wins.

The Patriots. In 2018, 10 blowout wins. Philadelphia is a point away from nine blowout wins and also with Philadelphia, because Kansas hit he had several. But Philadelphia, by far and away, was the most dominant first half team in the league. So they buried people in the first halfs of games and then took their foot off the gas in the second half. So a couple of games that, just a couple, that weren't blowouts, according to the numbers,

did feel like Philadelphia dominated the game. So Philadelphia is a favorite over Kansas City and should be. You get about 10 blowout wins for the Super Bowl champ on average. And I also think they feel and look like a Super Bowl champ. Think about their playoff wins. They have outscored their opponents in the the playoffs with an injured quarterback, 69 to 14. I'm just saying if you go back, some great cowboy teams, great Steelers teams.

I remember when I was a kid in the mid-70s, and I have no idea what year it was, but the Steelers were so dominant. And I'm talking to Bradshaw-Swan. At one point, I do remember three straight shutouts in pro football. has Alabama ever had three straight shutouts in college football? You're playing Citadel in the SEC like three times a year. So you think these games are Super Bowl champs reel off about 10 blowouts a year of 10 or more points. But you know you can bet like an alt line, Philly to win by more than 10, Philly to win by more than 15.

You can do that if it, if you think it has a chance. Pat Mahomes getting blown out? I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that you blow out the team and the Super Bowl. I'm saying as you get to it, you start looking back on schedules and Philadelphia, a point from nine blowout wins and dominated first halfs. And generally teams come out, scripted play, you play your best football often early. They blew teams doors off.

A lot of bad quarterbacks in those blowouts. Bad, below average, terrible, awful. Apparently, Daniel Jones were $32 million a year. Isn't that crazy? I had multiple people reach out to me around the country on those stories. Like that is a, but you know, what you don't want to be, and this is why Jerry wants to extend DAC and why Minnesota keeps extending Kirk Cousins and kicking the cap hit down the road, is that what you don't want to be is in chaos.

And you're never in chaos with DAC. you're never in chaos with Kirk Cousin. He says, Greg Cosell is starting next hour, as Greg Cosell says. There's only about five great guys in the world that do this. So if you don't have the five greatest guys in the world, you just want somebody that's capable of winning a playoff game, and I'll say it now. Daniel Jones is.

Oh, come on. So you said five guys, right? Mahomes, Borough, Herbert, those elite ones. Eagles face none of them this year. Boo, best quarterback they face Aaron Rogers, Jared Gough, Kirk Cousins, Dak, Prescott. Well, you don't think Aaron Rogers? is good.

Was he good this year? Yes, he's always good. He had young receivers, but he was good. Jared Goff, by the way, was... Jared Goff was solid. Solid. At home, he was fantastic. They faced him in like week three early in the season.

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doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast, Superhuman, documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey. or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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