The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Shedeur Sanders played well, Caleb Williams doesn't play at all, and thoughts on Jaxson Dart

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Colin discusses Shedeur Sanders’ performance in his preseason debut against the Panthers and why Shedeur showed he’s always had the talent to perform in the NFL but questions about decision making and leadership is what gave teams pause He gives his thoughts on Bears QB Caleb Williams not playing over the weekend Colin takes a look at the Giants schedule and gives his thoughts on Jaxson Dart so far  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for making us part of your day. J-MEC, we finally got some football and the quarterback's play. Joe Burrell is playing over the course of the weekend. The two is playing, starters are playing. Matt Stafford didn't. We knew that. Caleb Williams, interestingly, did not play, and I want to get to that. Okay.

Justin Field played and look good. Yeah, so one hour from now, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. So what's interesting is Mike Sando, we'll have him on tomorrow. His annual survey came out this morning. So Mike Sandoz has been doing this for a year. It's kind of the Bible of what the league thinks, of its quarterbacks. He has 50 voters. So he has six GMs, six assistant GMs, six former GMs, eight head coaches, five execs, 19 assistant coaches. So this is a wide array of opinions.

Upstairs, below upstairs, people who have played against quarterbacks. And so the tiers are pretty predictable. I don't have any real squabbles. Your two, Tier one is Mahomesboro, Alan, Lamar Jackson, Stafford. I agree with that. Tier two is Daniels, Herbert, Goff, C.J. Stroud, Jalen Hertz, Baker, Jack, Jordan, Love, Brock Purdy. I'd have, you know, Tier 3, they got Bow Knicks closer to the middle than the top. I'd probably change that.

But here's what's interesting. Caleb Williams is bottom of Tier 3, but 15 voters, about 30% of voters, already, knowing what a mess the Bears were last year that wasn't Caleb's fault, the coaching staff, 15 voters have Caleb in Tier 4. Tier 4 I'm not even putting on the screen. It's old Russell Wilson. It's Daniel Jones. It's Spencer Rattler.

It's Joe Flacco. 50% of the voters are, yeah, not going to work. That's alarming. Here's the other thing. There were a couple of quotes from coaches. And I've said I'm rooting for Caleb. I'm now in Chicago a lot. I want the football team to be good.

Here's two quotes from coaches. One of them, a defensive coordinator who said, in terms of processing ability and getting the ball out of his hands, he was the worst quarterback we played against. He holds the ball forever. A head coach in the NFL, said his processing to me was alarming watching the tape. Alarming.

Also, before the game, a lot of quarterbacks played. Joe Burrell played. Mahomes played. Ben Johnson, because they had a scrimmage against Miami earlier in the week, Ben Johnson decided not to play him at all yesterday, and here was Ben Johnson's reasoning. There is no substitute for real live bullets. I get that.

But at the same time, when you can accumulate 70 plus reps in a day, that's pretty good. That goes a long way in terms of where you want to go with the connection with the quarterback and his past catchers. Yeah, and a lot of other quarterbacks in those inner squad games, whatever you want to call them. They had 60, 70 snaps too. Bryce Young played. Joe Burrell played. Mahomes played, Spencer Atler played. Everybody but Tom Brady played this weekend.

And he did not. Caleb didn't. And I'm a fan. But there is a certain weight to this quarterback situation. I said it when he got drafted by Chicago. And it has now been reported by me and Seth Wickersham. This was not their first choice. This is a big, loud, aggressive media.

It is a poorly owned franchise with a GM that got an extent. attention based basically on one big trade that got him DJ more in draft picks. So I don't know. I look at it and I think to myself, was Ben Johnson actually, could I suggest this, sort of protecting Caleb from the court of public opinion. It was kind of a stand-alone big TV game. Let Miami and Tua get all the speculation and the heat. We're going to let him, you know, just let him sit and watch this thing.

It's not like he couldn't use the snaps. When tech companies delay the release, okay? It's usually because, like, you're still in the beta stage, right? You're just not quite comfortable putting it out to the public. And everybody in-house knows it, but you're just like, you know, we just, we're just going to not release our product yet, says Apple. We just want to tighten it. I mean, the product is great.

It's going to be revolutionary, but it's just not. quite there. I think there are some eggshells here. I think Caleb's not quite where Ben Johnson wants him. That is okay. And I don't blame him for all of last year's sacks and the mess. But everybody played this weekend. I mean, starters played a lot. Let's talk Sodor. I love that Nike's already got an ad out. Sam Darnold was almost MVP last year. Could you get an ad? for Sam Darnold. No, okay. All right. So only a matter of time, says the poster. So I want to throw this at you. There is a video, and it's not hostile, of Sjadour Sanders after making a point after his first preseason game of finding a local, a very popular local guy. Tony Gross, he's a talk show who's a very popular guy. I don't listen to a lot of Cleveland radio, but I know who he is, very, very popular.

And again, it's not ugly. And I do think Shadur's a good kid. I question his judgment and maturity. But if they kind of laugh in the end, it's fine. But this thing is like, Shadur, what are you doing? Get out of there. I don't want you watching Tony Grossy TikTok clips. And here's the thing I've said about Shador.

And I've defended him. His size, his arm, his mobility, are all good enough to be a franchise quarterback. And I think his accuracy, I think it's really good. I think it's really good moving, stationary. I like his accuracy. You're seeing that these are pro athletes. He moves around fine.

And I think he's very, that's a very accurate throw. I think his traits, the arm, the size, the mobility, I think they're all good enough to be a mid-tier NFL quarterback. I do. At Dak Prescott level, I do. I think he throws a better ball than Dak. but he's not great at him. He's not Cam.

He's not Big Ben. He's not Josh Allen. He's not Mahomes. He's not Stafford. So he's going to have to be better in the other 30 to 40% of quarterback play, which is maturity, focus, IQ, EQ, film study, pre-snap excellence. By the way, Tom Brady's traits doesn't move at all. Doesn't have a huge arm.

Tom's the best ever at the other stuff. stuff. Dak Prescott is a C plus in the pocket throwing the ball down the field guy. Dan Mullenis college coach said that. But DAC is A plus plus plus. Leadership IQ, EQ at the podium, film study, pre-snap. Dak's great. So if you're not outstanding in the trait stuff, and I like Shadour, and he's not, I do think his accuracy is an excellent trait. I'll even argue with Greg Kossel. I think he throws a really beautiful, catchable ball. He's an easy thrower. What I would like to say, Herbert's this.

Herbert just comes out and the ball's accurate. C.J. Stroud. Ball comes out on platform, off, left, right, up, back. C.J. Stroud's accurate. Herbert's accurate. I think Chadour, and I also think he moves much. He's not Dion. Everybody says, well, he got his mom's athletic ability.

Well, his mom must be a good athlete because he moves well. And Shadour had a good game, but my take is, and I'm tired of Cleveland fans saying, Colin, you're making a lot out of this little stuff. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you said about Johnny Mansell and Baker Mayfield. And Deshawn Watson's court stuff in Houston. How about you sit this one out, Browns fan?

You're all for three on. It's no big deal. The speeding tickets, his own GM called him dumb. This right here. Shadoo or you're a good kid. Get out of there. Don't look for sympathy and support from local radio guy. watch film and again it's not the end of the world he is a good kid but the judgment thing for him

is going to have to be exceptional he is not big ben josh allen cam steve young farm that's not what he is and brady knew it and peyton manning knew it peyton manning never threw a a tight spiral pathan manning didn't move well Peyton manning had a good arm he never rock it so when you're not the traits aren't A, DAC had so much self-awareness. I said this from the very beginning. Dak was one of those strangely mature guys like 23. That was 23 going on 33. Jalen Hertz, he was not real big and not a great pocket of guy.

He's like 27 going on 47. So this is where Shador has got to get that stuff tightened up. Don't worry about what local media says. Like just stay away from that stuff. and Cleveland fan sit it out you've been telling me for years that stuff doesn't matter I've been right three out of three times you're you got rid of Baker

I told you get off television in the commercials Baker just get the quarterback thing right forget the commercials and he was good in the commercials here's Kevin Stefansky on whether Shadoor's going to get number one quarterback reps this week I'm really focused on

all of our quarterback's development and every single one of these reps We have a standard for that position and really every position, but certainly the quarterback position. There's a standard by which we play and how we play and how we operate and how we take care of the football and those type of things. So there are things that Shadur can clean up. He will clean up. And I don't want to hear you're anti-Sheduror. No, I'm not. I thought he was underdrafted. I thought Jackson Dart was overdrafted. He's more of a second round pick. I think Shadur was underdrafted.

And when you watch him play, he's very comfortable. He's a real 6-2-218. He's not a weight room junkie, but he's, if you're 6'2-you're in the 96 percentile in this country. Anytime you see him standing around normal guys, he's tall. He carries his weight well. He's not spindly like Teddy Bridgewater or Matt Ryan Skinny or Gough. He's not top-heavy like Will Levis. He looks like a franchise quarterback.

6-2-218, easily accurate, moves very well. He's not great at that stuff, but he is absolutely to me a franchise quarterback with all that stuff. He didn't have a weird delivery. He's not slinging it sidearm. He's a franchise quarterback, but he better be buttoned up on the other stuff because that's what's made DAC rich, not the arm, not the traits. And I don't know, traits are probably 60% of this stuff, 60 to 65%, but the other 30% but the other

35% if I told you to be successful in life 65% is you know DNA but 35% is discipline well you better be disciplined that's a big chunk of life all right J. Mack

Colin Wright Colin wrong this quarterback tears is Sandals on the show tomorrow I love it for a million reasons by and large I agree with most of it I do think Bo Nix under Bo Nix is more athletic

with a better arm and never been hurt feels a little wonky but that's probably the NFL executive's telling you how much they think of Sean Payton they think Peyton has taken Bo to a level that he's probably not by himself it doesn't bother me we'll talk about more about this today and tomorrow

but the other thing is I know you're a Jets fan, not a Giants fan but the Jackson Dart thing is interesting Oh yeah and he looked good I can take it wrong on that I thought you look, you know, again, it's backups. Whatever. He's playing with him and he's playing against him.

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And I think when you look at the New York Giants schedule, with an easy schedule, maybe they could be a nine and eight team. I've argued they're a quarterback away. I like the offensive coach. I like the left tackle. They got a number one weapon. I like their defensive line. I like the Giants. I think the Giants are a great example like Indianapolis Colts.

If they had a great quarterback, they'd be a really, really good football team and a playoff team. Their schedule is brutal and they don't know who quarterback is. But watching Jackson Dart, my takeaway is, I know it's preseason. everything is something nothing's everything he looked pretty good number one this is not a super bowl team this is about discovering what jackson dart is because next year's quarterback class out of college is great it's really good and we know what russle wilson is russlewilson left denver and they got better with a rookie quarterback and made the playoffs and russell wilson went to pittsburgh and they weren't any better than the mason rudolph kennie picket team i know what rossil is

And if you promised him a start in week one against Washington, by all means, give it to him. But we know what Russell is at this point. Like, we know what it is. We don't know what Jackson Dart is. And so, and I don't want to hear this. Well, I mean, you don't want to put him out there to be a pinata. Stop. The Giants have a great left tackle, and I think they're online over the last two years.

They've upgraded it. Number two, they have a couple of really interesting young running backs. Number three is they have a number one receiver. Number four is this isn't like the tone deaf offense of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Brian Daible got Daniel Jones to the playoffs. Okay, I don't want to hear if you like Brian Daibald. He got Daniel Jones to the playoffs. He can coach.

So he got an offensive coach, a great left tackle, a number one weapon, running backs are interesting. O line is not a disaster. He's not going to take a beating plus the kid can move. And here's the other thing. He got 41 college starts with Lane Kiffin in the best defensive conference in college football, the one Jaden Daniels came from. And Lane Kiffin has coached in the NFL

and could absolutely be a head coach in the NFL again if he wanted to. Lane is a really good offensive coach. If you get 41 starts in the best defensive conference with NFL receivers and you play with NFL guys and against NFL guys, you're ready to play in college. This is not Anthony Richardson, who we don't even know if,

I mean, he wasn't even a great college quarterback. Jackson Dart was a very good college quarterback. I thought a second round guy, top third, middle, second, but whatever. I certainly could be wrong,

been wrong before. But my take was watching him, I was like, and, well, he played against backups. He also played with backups. Watching him,

my take is, Lane, three years, SEC, He plays with a ton. He's like Shadour. He plays with a ton of confidence. He was very comfortable.

Shadour was very comfortable. Zach Wilson looked nervous the first two years in the NFL. He looked frenetic. He looked. Sam Darnold in New York looked nervous. Shadour looks comfortable. Jackson's ready to go. Jackson's ready to play.

Here's Brian Daibald after. About what I thought he would do. Efficient, effective, aggressive, confident in the pocket. Some stuff we can. can work on, but he's doing good. I want to see him in home games, road games, division games, bad weather games, trailing, leading. I want to see him leading late. Does he know how to manipulate the clock?

Does he know how to pick up first downs? You can't do that in four starts. You can't do it in six. I want 10 to 12 starts from Jackson Dart because the Giants may have found their quarterback. But even if they haven't, you got to know going into January because that was very promising. And I'll argue all day long. Don't tell me the Giants are a mile away. Offensive coach, left tackle, weapon, good defensive line, and interesting running backs. They're not a mile away. They're not there yet, but they are not a mile. They're not Philadelphia or Baltimore.

There's talent here. And an offensive coach with a history, Josh Allen just won and Daniels another, of getting the most out of a young quarterback. J. Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's start with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Colin. They got a nice win over the Jags over the weekend, but Aaron Rogers did not take a snap. Mike Tomlin talked to reporters and, you know,

it starts to get into the hole, should the quarterback play in the preseason or not? Tomlin responded, you might be looking at one of them in 2025, adding that Rogers' cumulative snap total and what's required for him to be ready is different than others. Sounds to me like Rogers will not be taking any snaps in the preseason. Colin, if you look at his history, he took eight preseason snaps with the Jets in 2023. So let me defend Aaron.

Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rogers, I don't want to see him in the preseason. Okay, when you're older, this is not Mahomes Tua. When you're older and have had an injury in the last couple years, I'm not interested in that at all. I will defend Aaron and Kirk Cousins. Those are about the only two guys in the league to me that shouldn't take any snaps. I probably wouldn't give Mahomes a lot or burrow a lot. But I think with Aaron's physical limitations, and by the way, if you're going to put Aaron on the field, let's just have one rule. It's got to be the first team O line.

It's got to be the first team O line. If you're not going to play Frazier, the center from West Virginia. If you're not playing your starters, I don't want Aaron out there. At this point, he and Kirk should not be playing with backup O-line. So what about the concern that Rogers is on a new team with a new offensive coordinator, new wide receivers, new O-Line? There's a lot of newness there for an old dog. He's smart enough to, yeah. Oh, yeah, is he?

I will say this. This idea that this is calculus, I will always defend a new quarterback in a situation, like a young quarterback like Jackson Dart. He should have the quarterback. he should have the playbook memorized today. Now, does he know how to read a defense at the NFL consistently? No. Will he be fooled by good defensive coaches? Yes.

You got to know your play. Aaron Rogers is one of the smarter guys in the league at that position. If you can't get the playbook down at about and I'm being nicer. Six weeks. Don't give me that nonsense. Anthony Richardson, I don't

care who it is. He may not be able to read a defense. He may struggle with blitz packages. I get that. My Holmes acknowledged. Year three, the light went on. I don't expect Jackson Dart to pick up every package. Like Jackson Dart, if he plays, he'll have bad series. Jaden Daniels is an outlier.

But you've got to be able to, let's not make this into, oh, my. I mean, if learning a playbook is so hard, then how can Creed Humphrey, a center out of Oklahoma get drafted, play week one for the chiefs, and be flawless on the offensive line? when he not only has to know the play, but he is calling the audibles for the O-line as a rookie center. If a center can do it, a quarterback can do it. The football stuff is weird with, like, tackling. Like, Aaron Rogers essentially is going to suit up for week one,

having not touched a football in a real live game in, like, nine months. Colin, you know I like play basketball all the time. I cannot imagine, like, an NBA player going nine months without playing basketball. Like, these guys are playing in summer leagues. and pro-ams, Luca's playing internationally. Aaron Rogers hasn't seen real football since his last game with the Jets. And I have real concerns for him.

He looks slow out there. I'm sure you've seen the videos. And you can't simulate that speed, man. I'm a little worried. He doesn't look slow. He is slow. Yeah. And again, just watching Shadur,

who everybody tells me is not athletic, Shadur moves really well. Shadur is fight. He's not Lamar, but Jackson Dart. moved really well this week. And I watched all their snaps. Aaron's old. Let's just be honest about it. He's just a little older. And I don't want him near the field with backup O-Linman. Not interested in that at all. All right. Let's go to the New England Patriots. They got a win over the commanders in their preseason opener. Drake May played sparingly. One drive and three

of five, 12 yards, did have a fumble. And Mike Vrable had an interesting comment. comment afterward talking about May's leadership. I'm not going to say of or lack thereof, but just take a listen. The expectations that he lead this football team, that's what the job of the head coach and the quarterback is. That's pretty much how this thing goes. And that can't take days off. I mean, sometimes the performance isn't going to be extraordinary, but the leadership and the demeanor has to be. I think he's learning that. I love the fact that he's willing to learn and and push and try to do those things to where he's demanding of everybody

and making sure that everybody's on the same page. That's just a... That's nothing. Nothing, Burger? That's nothing. Yeah, I mean, it's just local radio, question, fill in the space. It's nothing. He used the word demeanor and he's got to be demanding.

Maybe it's made too quiet. It's very hard to walk into a locker room at 24 years old and tell 34-year-old players what to do. As I've said about rookie and second year quarterbacks, it's almost unfair but tough. Quarterback is not receiver or Mike linebacker. You have to come in and bark and you have to come in and lead. And if you can't do that, don't play the position. That's why I don't find me a silly quarterback who's an all-time great.

I'm not interested. John Elway was barking at Dan Reeves' coach. That's what I need. NBA, I don't. Just show me your talent. score and defend. Quarterback, it's unfit. I had this conversation with a friend.

John Middlkoff and I were talking about this. Surgeons, I need you to be uniquely mature at 27 years old. No senior frogies night before surgery. I need you to be home sleeping. Pilots. I'm not interested in you hang with the bros. Like, you have to be rested for your flight. Quarterback's the same thing in sports.

I need you to be ready to go at 24. You don't get to go out and party with your boys. If you do like Mansell, you're out of the league. I've got no time for it. I'm not saying Drake May is doing that, but what Brable's saying is Tom could go out and knock down a beer after they want to get. Tom Brady did not drink in the regular season. Not a beer. That's, if you want to knock them down, maybe in a by week you go to Cancun.

That's fine. But it just, this is what's needed for the position. Maybe we institute that here on the show. no drinking policy during the season. We got to lock in for gambling. It's possible. Final story, Colin, is Matthew Stafford. He's got that back issue. However, Sean McVeigh expects him back at practice today,

and he talked about Stafford's throwing session on Saturday. It was awesome. He looked good. He threw the ball really well. There was no limitations in terms of the types of throws. Deep, intermediate, short. We were moving the launch point, and, you know, he felt really good. and so looking forward to progressing him back into practice on Monday, but it was a good step in the right direction.

By the way, it just came over that Jordan or Sarah Bar Shop is reporting that Stafford's in street clothes and didn't appear to be practicing. So I'm going to give you my Kirk Cousin, Aaron Rogers, Matt Stafford Comp. I don't want Matt Stafford in the preseason with backup offensive linemen. Stafford, Cousin's Aaron. I don't want him out there. Frankly, Joe Flacco, I'd give a pass to because he's so big. He's such a physical outlier.

He could take a couple hits. Quarterbacks who are older, been around the block, don't need the snaps. Burrow is only doing it because Cincinnati's been so disappointing in September. So like Zach Taylor's trying to figure out a way to be better in September in that division. Otherwise, I wouldn't play Burrow because of his injuries. But I do think with Burrow, it's like there's this riddle. Like, why are they so bad in September? Like, I don't get it.

So that I get. Mahomes fights for snaps. I've heard Mahomes wants more than Andy gives. And Andy will play starters. He doesn't care. So, J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Lye News. You know, it's really interesting. So what the NFL is doing now, they have these practices, like, you know, the Rams and the cowboys will have a practice, and then they'll have a game. And it's funny. Andy Reed will not do that ever. So Andy Reid's theory is, he's old school, you're not going to steal any of my plays, and I don't want you to look at my personnel.

You could see one of our fifth round draft picks, and you go back home and you start, you know, Andy Reid does not want any of those. Kyle Shanahan will do a singular practice with another team, but not too, because his feeling is if you have a practice and you win the practice, then the other team, this is when fights happen, get marked out by their coaches, and they come back the next day at practice, and they're just banging on your guys. So one of my few knocks on the NFL is I don't like preseason.

I don't like it. And I don't think I need a lot of inner squad practices or whatever you want to call these things. Joint practice. I'm sorry, joint practices. I don't like joint practices. You can do a few of them. I don't like preseason games. And my reason is when Texas and Ohio State play on Fox here in a couple weeks,

Texas isn't having joint practices with the Aggies. The Buckeyes aren't having them with the Wolverines. And these are 19-year-old kids. And they'll look like they're ready to play. Remember Ohio State played Oregon last year early in the season? How many joint practices? I mean, how many, they don't do it. So if college guys don't need a preseason

and are limited by the NCAA in practice hours, and with the NIL and the transfer portal, these college teams have 30 new players, and they don't need it. So I think Rishon Slater getting hurt. Now, I know what it was at a practice, and sometimes it's just bad luck. But I don't think joint practices,

I would do maybe one, I would not do it with a team in my division. I would not, in fact, I probably would make sure the team's not on my schedule for the next couple of years. You know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but if Andy Reid says not doing it, I'm kind of on Andy's side on this. But I'm not a, I think you are paid in football to figure out how good a guy is without game stuff.

I mean, Ohio State right now, Ryan Day is going to have to make a decision on who's the starter. No preseason and no. No joint practices. You're paid to figure it out. Right? Right. I don't get a pre-show before the show.

Like the light comes on, talk. Right? You can do a little prep, practice. We don't do joint sessions with other shows. Lights on, talk, let's go. So there you go. The home you've worked so hard for, you do now know the part of the home you own. It's called equity.

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We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

This is how you guys remember it going down. Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Sunday, the NFL is back on Fox, and we're kicking it off with reigning MVP, Josh Allen and the Bills, taking on Caleb Williams and the Bears. Preseason football Sunday, 80s, turn on Fox. Okay, time out. That will be the highest rated pre-year-old. Pre-season game of the preseason. I'll make a bet right now. And it's not because of Josh Allen. Aren't you intrigued by that stuff? Listen, Josh Allen, there's no way Josh Allen's taking a snap in that game.

He doesn't need to. But Caleb Williams? Well, they're going to get after Caleb Williams. You know, McDermott's not going to go in there like, oh, it's played patty cake. They're going after Caleb. Yeah. By the way, you had a note on Shadur Sanders. Did you see where that video came from of Shadur talking to the reporter?

No. Yeah, it was actually Shadour's brother, Dion Sanders Jr., was filming it. And I'm just wondering, Colin, was this scripted? Hey, after you play well, let's go talk to that reporter, get it, it's going to go viral. It went viral, and it also pumped up, kept it in the family. This isn't some like random person got the video. It was Dion Sanders Jr. of well-off media. You can read about that online.

I don't love that. I don't. That's worse than it. be in some rando. Like guys, concentrate in the stuff that matters. That don't remember when I was critical to Baker, get off television commercials, stop posing with tigers, like, figure

the quarterback position out. And all the Brown fans, well, you're making a big deal. It creates this focus on the stuff that matters. Listen, we're in an interesting era right now, Colin, where people want to settle scores. Okay? That's a big thing among politicians right now.

And this, to me, feels like Shadour going after somebody. He's had a rough five months, dating back to the draft. He was going to be a top five pick. Daniel Jeremiah had him top 20 on his board. And the guy falls for the fifth round. Everybody's blasting him.

He gets the speeding tickets. And now he's getting, he's like a pinata in Cleveland. Is he going to make the roster of fourth string? He plays okay. I mean, he was not great. He was good, right? Oh, I think, no.

And the first thing he does is that all the score with a reporter? Everybody kept telling me he's not athletic enough. And I kept saying, yes, he is. is he had two times when he moved. I mean, and watch him when he moves. He throws a really, look at me, that's a perfect pass. That's a really good pass. It's a good back.

Well, I think his accuracy is franchise quarterback accuracy. I think his movement is, he is not a stationary target. I'll argue this all. Now, does he run backwards too much? Yeah, Caleb does it way too much. Caleb can, you know, Josh did this early. you got to get out of that. Caleb is not athletic enough to do that.

I don't think he did it too much in college, but in college it had a horrible O-line. Cleveland's O-Line's okay. I don't know where PFF ranks it. To me, it's always been okay. But I thought all of his college traits transferred. I'm giving an example. When Johnny Mansell, everybody told me how athletic he was,

everybody told me how athletic Tebow was. and you saw immediately that Tebow was closer to a tight end than he was a gifted athletic quarterback. And you saw, I remember the first Johnny Mansell game, he got outrun by a defensive end. And I'm like, no, no, no. Part of Tebow and Mansell's primary strength was, these guys get out there and move.

Shadour does not move noticeably worse than Tebow. who I was told was a great athlete. But Schoeduer's strength isn't. Shedur sits in the pocket and throws darts. I mean, look at his throw. That's a great pass. That's a really good throw. That is an excellent.

Here in the pocket with heat. That is a really big time throw. He is in the end zone. You got a man coming at you a pro. Look at this. That is athletic. I don't want to hear that he doesn't have NFL traits. I don't want to hear that he's a fifth round quarterback.

He was underdrafted. Yeah. Now, this is the Panthers, okay? And these are backups and third. stringers. But so he said to nitpick just a little. Okay, I know the two touchdowns, you know, there are two scoring drives were like 10, 10 yard drive and a 43-yard drive. Okay, so let's not go. He's not going to 80 yards.

The drives were short and sweet. There was a lot of punting. I get it. Overall, I would say this was a promising debut for Shador, and I do think it's a real competition now between him and Dylan Gabriel. I'm not buying Joe Flacco starting week one. I just don't believe that. I'm sorry. All right. Bejant, the backup for the Bears. He had like a 16 play drive. It was pretty good. And again, I always hear this. Well, he's doing it against backups. He's playing with backups. Also true. Okay. So it's all relative here. So this is interesting.

Mike Sando, the athletic, comes out. He'll be on tomorrow. I love this. I'm obsessed with his quarterback tears. It's like one of those gifts. I don't know what day it comes out. Today I'm driving in and I'm like, might be Christmas. I mean, I don't even have to talk. about it today, but I led with it. So he has, this is where NFL executives and I totally agree. In their tiers, four tiers, they have Jalen Hertz, 9th, 10th best quarterback. And fans view quarterbacks through the lens of, hey, they win. Well, Trent Dillfer and Nick Foles have Super Bowl rings and Dan Marino doesn't.

Matt Hasselbeck doesn't. Matt Hasselbeck is better than Nick Foles by a lot and Trent Dilfer. So GMs are asked to contextualize it. And if it was just about winning for a quarterback, then how did Patrick Mahomes get drafted in the first round? And how did Josh Allen? I watched Josh Allen play two good teams in college, Iowa and Oregon. He got crushed by both.

Fans view quarterback. It's all about winning. You're asked, I mean, a great stockbroker tells you to buy a stock before it's 140 bucks. He tells you to buy it when it's 13. anybody can buy a stock anybody can buy Navidia now for the next 10 years or Amazon and say I know my stuff

would you buy Navidia at 9 26 7 years ago so Matt Stafford played in the NFL for 12 years and did not win a playoff game he's a tier one quarterback and he was Sean McVeigh's number

one target so this is not a knock on Jalen Hertz he's not as tall as you'd like. He's about the same size or shorter than Brock Purdy. And Brock Pretty last week, one in a podcast and said, 40% of the time, I can't see who I'm throwing to. Tua has said publicly, yeah, a lot of times I let go with the ball, I can't see the receiver.

And the other thing is, and this is just so obvious, the Eagles had a buy week. Remember when Tom Brady went to Bruce Ariens, they were seven and five, and they had a buy week? You can break down your offense in that by week and kind of make. a major it's hard to get off the treadmill week to week to week but when you get that by week and you get three or four extra practices tom brady goes to bruce arians and says we're going to change up the offense last year in the by week the people who know him best said you know um we'd be better off throwing less that's a tell so some quarterbacks in this league are taylor swift

they're leading the entire tour most quarterbacks in this league are the Spice Girls. They're part of an ensemble. Jalen is part of an ensemble. Of the 50 voters, 50, in the Mike Sando survey, of the 50,

three had Jalen Hertz as a chair one quarterback. Okay, it'd be different if it was like 23, and then we could argue. But he was much closer to seventh rounder, purdy than Mahomesboro and Josh Allen or Lamar. And that's exactly right. Best old line in football, two great receivers, best running back in football, an offensive organization, always above average tight ends, and two easy wins every year with the Giants and relatively

easy wins over the Cowboys. So for the record, I've always said this, the difference between the truly great like Mahomes and the good Baker Mayfield, Donald. What happens when you asked him to carry the team? So Patrick Mahomes, when he throws over

40 times in his career, that means the Chiefs are either behind or the run game's not working. Mahomes is 39 and 11. When Jaylen Hertz, with a great old line, is asked to throw 40 times or more, he's 0.5. He's never,

won an NFL game. Okay. Those are also very similar to Dak Prescott's numbers. When Dak, Dak went 13 and 3, when he had the best own line and he had that great rookie running back,

remember out of Ohio State, Zika Elliott, and Zach's throwing 27 times, DAC was 13 and 3. And then all of a sudden, you know, Zeke ages, they don't have a number one

before Amari Cooper. And it's like, yeah, Dax not as good when you ask him to throw 42 times. It's a different quarterback. So it's not a criticism. Again, very few Taylor Swift's, a lot of spice curls. You're just part of an ensemble.

You need protection for the record last year. Niners beat up at left tackle. Christian McAfrey didn't play. I think Purdy was one and six with Kyle Shanahan. One in six against playoff teams. Brock, when he has the ensemble healthy, can be a very effective quarterback. Smart moves, all that jazz. Hour two on a Monday coming up next.

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