The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Shohei Ohtani

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

Colin gives the Celtics credit after reports say they are preparing for a major move and why great teams don't settle for being just good He discusses the "mythical" Shohei Ohtani as questions about his future with the Angels continue to grow as the team struggles despite his greatness The Chiefs might be interested in DeAndre HopkinsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Going to a UFC fight in Vegas tomorrow with friends. A lot of energy. very keyed up today. A lot of things to talk about, Jay Mack. How are things with you? Great. Couldn't complain. I played about two hours of volleyball yesterday.

Great workout. Felt like I was in Top Gun. You know, a little bump and set, spike action. Wembenyama debut tonight. Fired up for that? I am going to watch that. Wemby debuting tonight. You know you're going to be a big deal when your name's been shortened

and you haven't played an official game. Yeah, we should predict his stat line. Well, Summer League is a bunch of ball hogs and, you know, you can't judge too much. I want to start with this. There's a story in the Boston Globe, and I tweeted this the other day. And I know 77% of America is not on Twitter, but I tweeted, and it was interesting to watch the response to it. It got like 800,000 people. I just said, the Celtics are up to something.

And the Boston Globe is reporting they are stockpiling picks for a, quote, seismic trade. Now, I don't know what seismic is. I would guess Janus next year. But I like what they're doing, and I respect this. Because you can see great and special Otani is a great example, very quickly in sports. Mahomes, an example, Burrow. The three core guys of the Celtics, Marcus Mark, Jason Tatum, and Jalen Brown have played together six seasons in a mostly weaker Eastern conference that LeBron bailed on. and they've been to one finals. In just four seasons at the time, in the tougher west,

Steph, Clay, and Draymond had been to two finals. One-one, had a 73 and nine season. Steph was already MVP twice, and their shot making was the best in the league. Their playmaking was as good as anybody in the league. Their chemistry was unbelievable. I'm six years in to Tatum, Brown, and smart. I don't know if I like their chemistry, their alpha,

their late game shot making. And I still don't know if Tatum wants to take the big shot in big games. So basically GM Brad Stevens said, we're not special. We're good. And on our better nights, we're very good. But I want to be special. Because Denver had Nurkich, who was good. And they watched Joker and said he's special.

And the Warriors had Monta Ellis at 22 a game. he was good to very good. They went back and forth, but they thought Steph could be special. I got news for you. Tatum as a one, the Celtics are never going to be special. Tatum is a two. Yonis is a one. That's special.

Anthony Davis as a one. You can be very good. Anthony Davis in the bubble as a two to LeBron, that's special. I like Tatum. I got six years. we still don't know if he's got the alpha in him late in the game. Four years in, Steph had been MVP twice, was the best shot maker in the league, could do things we'd never seen.

I know all the fanboys in Boston want to hear this. Tatum as a one, six years, one trip to the finals. Couldn't get it done. Lost at home. Got tight. That's good to very good. That's not special. Magic, title.

first year is special. Bird immediately. Bobby O'R. Ted Williams. Brady. Taking over first year as a starter. Boston has example after example, Bill Russell of special. Like special is beyond very good. This Celtics team could have great nights and a great series. Very good. I never thought to myself, Kobe was special. MJ, Bird, Magic. Tatum's very, very good player. And I think GM Brad Stevens is stockpiling picks. He sees the same thing. Not every guy that's a number one talent is a number one closer.

Anthony Davis is a great example. He's really only can be in a special team if he's a two. LeBron is special. Anthony Davis is just great. I don't think you can be a special team if Tatum's your guy. And he's all NBA. But to be special. And I'm talking MJ, the Warriors, Duncan Spurs.

I'm talking, we're talking all-time special here. 11 Russell titles, Showtime Lakers. They write books about it. We're going to write a book about this team. We're going to do a 30-for-30 documentary on this team because they do those for special. Tatum is a two is special. And I think that and Brad Stevens is acknowledging it. Moving Marcus Smart.

I've seen my core guys for six years. We're good to very good. it's not next level. I love that and respect that. Nobody wants to admit it, but GM Brad Stevens by moving smart and stockpiling picks is acknowledging it, just not publicly. Okay, so I saw this story this morning, and I thought it was really, really interesting.

There's an article out about Shohei Otani. And you ever notice this that, like in real estate, you know, it used to be a million dollar house when I was a kid. Like, we didn't have any million dollar houses even in our neighborhood. even in our area code, I swear to God, certainly not in our county. And then you go to big cities and you see like, oh my God, it's like a $3 million home. You never would have projected. Yeah, there's homes now in Los Angeles for $175 million.

That's what hotels cost. That was more than ski lodges. Like trees sometimes in real estate grow to the sky. We see this. I can remember, you know, Steve Largent made, what my dad did. My dad was just a local optometrist, right? Now you see wide receivers making $25 million a year. Players signing for $4 and $500 million. There's a story out today about Shohei Otani of the Angels making $700 million. And I think to myself, well, baseball economics are very strong.

How do I know that? Because the owners never opened their books. I watched the Dodger game for four innings last night. They played the awful pirates on a Thursday night and there were 42,000 people. forget the tickets. There's the food and the beer and the parking. And it's not an easy stadium to get in and out of. 42,000 for the pirates. Go check right now how many teams average over 30,000 a night. You'd be amazed. But the story is Otani. And he's not just a great player. Mike Trout's a great player. Mookie Betts is a great player. When I was a kid, Nolan Ryan was mythical. And that's the key word here, mythical. Nolan Ryan was the only pitcher in baseball that regularly threw over 100 miles an hour. And he did it multiple teams, multiple decades.

So when they would put Nolan Ryan is pitching tonight, first baseball game I ever went to, Nolan Ryan was pitching the next night. Frank Tanana was the opener for the Angels, Nolan Ryan the second night. I wanted to see Nolan Ryan. I was disappointed. It was my first Major League baseball game because Nolan was different. It's the same way people felt about Mickey Mantle or Sandy Kofax. or Babe Ruth.

Mythical is different. Just think, if you would have asked Sandy Kofax, the greatest pitcher ever, to hit, Nolan Ryan to hit, his career average was like 101. It'd be embarrassing. If you asked Mike Troutter, Mookie Bet, start tomorrow. It'd be over their skis. Otani is a blister on his hand away from starting in the All-Star game on the mound.

I sound like a guy at a carnival talking about him. He hits 600 feet home runs. He's the starting pitcher in the All-Star game and one of the game's fastest players. I mean, does he read your poem? He's like the magician, the juggler, the acrobat. He does all of it. That's not a once-in-a-franchise player. That's a once-in-a-hundred-year player.

There's a lot of great players. Mokie Betts, Mike Trout. Those are great players. Otani's beyond that. He's Babe Ruth. There's no football player like this. There's no soccer player like this. There's no basketball player like this.

In global sports, one of one, a once in a 100-year player, that he is literally an ace. And as good as Mike Trout is, there was a comment years ago by Jared Walsh of the Angels. He said there were four girls sitting outside the bus sobbing because they knew Otani was on the bus. Mike Trout's a pretty big deal. I've never seen any girl outside the bus crying because Mike Trout was on it. I think Shohei trumped him there. We're in completely unique territory in a sport that the owners hide the books. They hide the books.

They don't want you to know how much money they make. $700 million for the most mythical player, maybe since Babe Ruth. I'm for it. He's literally Garrett Cole. plus Aaron Judge with Mookie Betts speed. $700 million? Is it a discount? I watched $42,000 with the Dodgers last night

and a Thursday against the unwatchable pirates. Okay, I know a couple guys in the pirates. I've actually interviewed one. It's a cool kid. But I mean, the pirates are not a good team. They're not a big draw. They are in the NFL. They are in hockey.

They're not in baseball. A lot of people in seats last night at Dodger Stadium on a Thursday night. Got to tell you, That place is full last night if Otani's there. It's not 42. It's 55 or whatever Dodger Stadium holds. How much is 13,000 on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night, Monday night, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Thursday, 13,000 extra in those seats. I don't know.

Food, beer, parking tickets. I think it's a lot. Merchandise. 700 million doesn't sound crazy to me. 500 million for Patrick Mahomes, who just won a Super Bowl getting rid of a star receiver with 10 rookies. doesn't sound crazy to me. You've seen the NFL ratings. You've seen Major League Baseball attendance.

It's a once-a-hundred-year player. Nothing else like him in global sports. All right. J-Mack is looking at me. He doesn't know what to make of that rant. I love the Otani story. This is fascinating. Should the angels trade him?

Do you trade a $500 million guy? Here's what's amazing to me. The angels are very reticent. to trade him because this shows you the fear of executives because they don't want to be the franchise that just trades him. You're not going to be able to afford him. Get everything you can back. He has seven first round picks.

Get over yourself. Get over fear-based negotiating. Move him. You're going to get out bid. Move him. But they're terrified. There'll be the label we traded him. Get over it.

The bottom line is, if you had no salary cap in football and Kansas City couldn't afford Mahomes. And the New York teams outbid it. Brett Veach would be on the phone tomorrow getting seven first round picks. I mean, it's like one of those things. What is he worth? What was Babe Ruth worth? Does Cohen of the Mets come in and say, you know what?

We're going to $1 billion for Shohe Otani. Does somebody just come over the top and just make a big statement? That's going to get headlines all around the world. The first billion dollar baseball player. He's not available to the market. Not yet. No, I mean, he's not available because of the reality of what's happened at baseball, the RSNs, the regional sports networks, that business is now done.

And the Kansas cities and Cincinnati's and Pittsburgh's really needed that. That was extra income. So the top and the bottom, the separation now is greater than ever. He is available to four teams. Dodgers are one of them. Yankees are one of them. Steve Conan met to the other. The Braves are a cash machine.

I don't know their finances. I would think Houston and Atlanta are in it, but this is... There's some West Coast teams because of the, you know, proximity to his homeland. Right, right. Seattle maybe get to the mix. The Giants maybe get in the mix. This is not a salary cap thing. They don't have one.

This is like four teams that can afford it. Right. And I think 700 million, again, what is Mahomes worth? Patrick Mahom just won a Super Bowl with nine or ten rookies on the team. They moved off Tyreek Hill and got better. when you can win with Sky Moore, Juju Smith-Schuster. Like, what is he worth?

I don't know if there's a ceiling. I mean, I know when LeBron James went from Miami back to Cleveland, the value of the Cavaliers was worth $250 to $300 million. I talked to somebody that would know this in banking. I said, you know, I called him. He said, 300 million to $250 million, minimum, the franchise is worth more. that minute when LeBron showed up. He goes, it's very possible if you put if LeBron signed a five year

contract, somebody would buy them and add a billion to it. What is what are what's Cleveland with LeBron and the next year without him? It's $500 million. So the owner's getting the value. Why can't the player? And so you know, all these sports and I and I do think that you don't want to like in baseball I think one of the things that hurts it. I'm salary caps are basically. sport socialism. Yeah. That's what they are. Nobody wants to hear about socialism.

We have our own version of socialism. We have farm subsidies all over America. We have our own versions of thing the government pays for, and they should pay for a lot of stuff. Medical stuff for poor people, subsidies for people. We've got our own version of it. Don't believe, you know, all the conservative bankers and the people that say social, we've got our own versions of it, right?

Everybody does. Canada's got more. Norway's got more. We've got some. But the point being is. is salary caps are essentially saying we've got to help the people without the infrastructure or population or money. So the Green Bay Packers can't compete without a salary cap with other places.

So baseball doesn't have that, right? So what happens in baseball now is you've got about six teams that just the Atlanta Braves just have so many more good players than the bottom eight teams in the league. It's AAA baseball. The A's are a AAA baseball team. The Braves are stacked. So we have that. And I do think in sports salary caps, I kind of switched on this.

I think over the years, I think they have real value. So a Kansas City and the Colts with Peyton Manning and the Packers with Aaron and Brett, if you get the quarterback right, the Midwestern teams can crush. Chicago's where all the money is in the Midwest and they've been bad forever. So money has a very, very, there's a ceiling on what money can do in the NFL. It's all about your quarterback coach and GM. You got that right? Kansas City? No, in a lot of games. So the Otani thing, though, is different.

If he was an NFL player, he could go anywhere. Yeah, well, because baseball's starting to look more like America, right? You've got the halves and the have-nots and the middle class is getting squeezed. Yeah. In MLB, there's no middle class that can get in the Otani mix. There's literally, I think basically it's Cohen. I don't think, see, in my takeaway, the Yankees would not do it. This group of Strymbrunner kids, they're not like George.

They're not going to pay for it. So I think it's Cohen, the Dodgers, and I don't know if Atlanta would. They don't need it. Padres, maybe? I don't know where they're getting the money. That's a smaller market. But it may be a two-team race. I mean, it really may be a two-team bidding war.

And you're discounting Anaheim, right? Well, it's just not the same. It's that they have an older stadium. It doesn't drive the revenue. It just doesn't. It doesn't drive the revenue. The Dodgers Stadium is an ATM. I don't, you know Otani's expensive when the Yankees probably.

aren't willing to go there. Because they've got their guy in Aaron Judge. He's good at the gate. He's good on the field. They're not the same baseball team without Aaron Judge. Like, he is their guy. So you don't, you can argue, we got to figure out, you know, Yankees have other stuff to figure out that lineup outside of Aaron Judge. When he's off, they don't hit. They got their own issues. The one thing we'd agree on, we want Otani in the postseason. Like, we need to go to a team where he's going to be playing in meaningful games in October. That is mandatory. Can you imagine if LeBron James played in his career and made the playoffs twice? Steph Curry made it twice.

You've got to get Otani in the playoffs. Mike Trout, I believe, has zero career postseason victories. Zero. And he was like the best player in baseball for multiple years. But Otani's a bigger draw than Trout. Massive. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back. I saw this Jeremy Fowler reporting the chiefs now are in the D'Andre Hopkins mix, the wide receiver with Tennessee and New England. Where would you go? Tanna Hill, Mac Jones, or Patrick Mahomes. So messaging is really important, right? Like when I built this show, Big Studio, The Herd, All of My Stuff, The Hurd. Then called the Colin Coward Show. I wanted it as short as possible when I did this. When I went to ESPN, I said, they call him Imus or Oprah or Madonna or Pele. I don't want to be the full name show.

You have to shorten it. That's the way it works. Messaging matters, branding matters. So Kansas City has a huge advantage here, not just Mahomes. But when you win with 10 rookies and let Tyreek Hill go and you win a Super Bowl, the key in that is Juju Smith-Schuster. It is for other players. Because Juju didn't have much of a market.

Kansas City said, come on over here. Pop, you'll get paid. He did. During New England's dynasty, like Kansas City, they said, come here and win Super Bowls. But the messaging was different. New England said, here's our message. You're going to have to take less money.

You're going to have to maybe sometimes play less. and give up more of you for us. Sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice playing time, sacrifice individual stats, sacrifice money. That's hard to sell to young athletes. We have a short time frame to get paid. Kansas City's message, like New England, starts with come here and get to a Super Bowl and win a ring.

But they're not asking you for less of yourself. they're saying, come here, DeAndre Hopkins or Juju Smith-Schuster, your stats will go up and you'll get paid more. Maybe with us in an extension, but maybe somewhere else. But they're not asking players to sacrifice anything other than the length of a contract. And when players want out, Stefan Diggs did in Minnesota, they let him go. Randy Moss did with the Raiders. They let him go. If a guy's totally unhappy, you let him go.

You move him, you trade him. So the messaging for New England's dynasty was all about sacrificing for us. Kansas City's advantage is, you don't really have to sacrifice much. Juju had his second best year ever. His numbers went up and then he got paid with New England. This is the advantage to Denver's messaging. If you played with Kobe, you knew Powell Gasol, he's getting the shot. You had to have the right guy that worked with him.

Shaq briefly and Gasol later. Same with Michael Jordan. Didn't know his elevate teammates. That's why he and Pippen worked so well. Scotty was okay, not taking the final shot. But with Yokic, think about Denver's messaging. He's actually a better passer than a score. And our second best player on some nights,

Aaron Gordon doesn't need shots. It's a very attractive place to go. Yokic is all about winning. Yokic is a great passer. Jamal Murray's a scorer. but he also averaged big numbers and assists. Aaron Gordon doesn't need shots. Sometimes Michael Porter wouldn't play in big spots.

Denver's messaging, like Kansas cities, on the open market for players, very attractive. If I'm a shooter and a score, I'm going to play with Yokic. I didn't know always want to play with MJ. I didn't know what I want to play with Kobe. I don't know who's want to play with Luca. A lot of guys I don't want to play with. I want to play with Yokic. And in Kansas City, come get yours.

We're not asking you to do less. You'll get more catches. And you'll eventually, maybe not with us, maybe with us, get more money. It was all sacrificed for New England, and it worked because of Brady. But even Brady at the end got tired of constantly sacrificing for Bill. And Bill's system. J-Mac with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. It's funny, I heard you just mentioned Luca. And in the opening rant when you said Celtics stockpiling draft picks, I thought of two guys, Janice and Luca. I mean, those are the only guys who could hit the market who are incredible that would fetch a massive haul. I don't know. Bucks seem to be sliding. Luca can't find a teammate in Dallas.

I don't know. Could I give you a bunch of picks in Jalen Brown and you give me Luca? What if I give you nine picks in Jalen Brown? I mean, if you're stockpiling picks, that's what you do. I mean, to me, Luca won Tatum 2 to tie it. That's special. Yonis won Tatum 2. Now, that's special.

I still think you're selling Tatum a little short, but I digress. Let's start in the NBA. Damian Lillard has been angling a move to the heat. His agent saying he only wants Miami. But before this all went down, Ramona Shelburne of ESPN reports that another team was in the mix for Damon, he was feeling it. Here's Damien Lillard. Or remote or Shelburne, sorry.

They had another choice. They could have waited for games. You know, Dave is from the Bay Area. I know he was interested. You know, if he got to the point where he was going to ask for a trade and, like, the list was given, the Warriors initially would have been on that list. But I think now it's not possible, right, because of the move they've made, you know. That would be a terrible move.

Chris Ball is a great move. But Damien Little would be terrible? Yeah. Damien is a defensive lie. ability. So. Okay. Gets hurt a lot.

Unbelievably expensive. Needs the ball to be effective. Well, this is not KD, who's 611 and can stand in the corner the last second, get in the ball and shoot. That works. Dame needs the ball. He needs to create the shot. That means Steph's always playing off ball.

So this is a classic example of AAU basketball. More scores. Like Summer League is all about scoring. Like Dame and Steph, that's not what they need to get the smallest shooting guards. in the league. You say, what about Chris Paul? He defends. He's a distributor first. He allows Steph to playoff ball. He's going to help in the pick and roll. He's going to elevate other players like Kaminga, who they're waiting to pop. What's Dame going to do for Kaminga? He's never averaged more than, I mean, he's averaged over eight assists. Dame needs the ball in his hands.

He's Karee, although I like him more than Kari, because I like him as a guy more than Kyrie. So in a shooting league where the three-point numbers are through the roof the last decade. You don't think you could use arguably the two greatest shooters this century in the NBA? In a shooters league. Why did Dallas suck so bad with Kyrie and Luca? Reggie Bullock and Tim Hardaway is a little different. In a shooters league. Why

didn't Hardin ever do anything in the playoffs? No, Hartons a little portly. That's a low blow. But it's not just a shooter's league. It was a shooters league. The reason Katie to the Warriors work, because Katie can play totally off ball. I mean, he played with Westbrook for a

year, sat in a corner, and rated for, you know, Russell would dribble and do his thing, and then he would get Katie the ball with three in the clock, and he'd score. He doesn't need the ball. At 6-11, he always gets his shot. Dame needs to create his shot that takes the ball out of Steph's hand. One of the things Mowgli talked about yesterday here was the gravity. When Steph has the ball, you can't come off Dame Lillard and Clay Thompson on the weeks. You cannot.

And Steph will destroy anybody one-on-one, even though he's 35. So, like, I think Lillard would still work, even at his age. Like, we've seen him needing the ball. they're not getting to the finals when he needs the ball, right? So now maybe you play off ball a little, they zigzag who's point guard. So they're not going to get rid of Clay. So Clay would disappear. If Steph and Dame are on the same team, there's no reason to have Clay Thompson.

You need defensive guys like Peyton and Moody. I would have, I would agree. And they're not going to move off Clay. So they knew if they bring in Dame, you've got to move off Clay. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I don't, well, Portland. Would they have won a Clay Thompson? Well, Michael Thompson was a very popular. I think his deal is almost up, too, right?

Michael Thompson is a big fan base in Portland. He was a radio star there for years. Damon Curry. All right. Next up is to the NFL. Sequin, Barclay and the Giants. They got until July 17th to come to an agreement. Remember, they put the tag on,

and there's optimism that a deal will be reached before the deadline. According to former NFL agent, Joel Curry, the expectation is Barclay could get four years and around 27-milled guaranteed, similar to Derek Henry's latest deal. If you're Berkeley, do you want the franchise tag or this four years 27 mil? I don't know, 427 kind of locks you in 27 divided by 4. It's a little early out here on the West Coast for math, but that's something like $7 million a year.

Daniel Jones got like $39 million a year. No, four-year deal. 27? That's not a lot of money. I know the running back market's depressed. Yeah, that's just the guarantee. That's not the contract. That's just the guaranteed part. That's still not a lot of guaranteed money for Sequin Barclay?

Well, you have to sign him now. You have no choice. If Daniel Jones is your guy, like a Tannahill, you have to have a star running back. So wouldn't you, if you were Barclay, just, let me franchise tag it and I'll leave after this year. But then they could tag him a second time. If I was the New York Giants, I would have franchise tagged both of them. And so there wouldn't be animosity in the run. room. So you could say to Sequin, we're franchise tagging our quarterback. We're going to franchise

tag a running back who's been hurt. But once you give Daniel the bag, you can't go to Sequan and say, even though you're a much better player, or it's going to give you a one-year deal. So the minute you gave Daniel the money, it changed the temperature in the Giants room. So now you're trapped. And my takeaway is because of what you pay Daniel, you probably have to pay Seekwan. And then what you have to do because you have so much money in the back, you have to literally nail, seven draft picks a year is the only way to solve that dilemma. So I just looked up McCaffrey's guaranteed money. It looks like 38 mil guaranteed when he signed with the Panthers. So this for Berkeley would be 27 guaranteed. So you say, is he the second

best back in the league? I don't know. But he's certainly arguably the most valuable now that Daniel Jones is your quarterback. So Sequin's argument is, who cares who the best is? I'm in that stratosphere. Why is McCaffrey so valuable? Because they don't have a star quarterback. Well, they did sign him when he was in Carolina to that. I don't think they had a quarterback in the end. But why did San Francisco?

Why were they willing to say, we'll take the contract? Quarterback on a rookie deal. Or quarterback we don't know about. So if you have a quarterback that you either don't know about or you've overpaid, it's like Dak. They liked Dak. But Zeke and Dak, that was a game changer when Zeke was in his prime. And so they felt like with Mahomes, there's a reason.

and the Chiefs are starting seventh round running backs. There's a reason Cincinnati would move off Mixing. There's a reason the charger said to Austin Echler, we'll pay you, but there's a limit. So I think the Giants have to pay Sequin, and then you have to cross your fingers. You're going to be very weak at safety. You're going to be weak at guard,

because you're going to have to pay your left tackle here very soon because he's out of this world good. Is that Thomas from Georgia? He's fantastic. So to be clear, we're rooting for Seekwan Barclay here, but we understand the dynamic. Like, you just can't break the bank. The problem is they broke the bank for a bad quarterback.

Right? That just screws up everything. So, yeah, I'm a Jets fan too, just to be clear. All right, final story. DeAndre Hopkins, Colin, this saga is really getting tiresome. Okay? So visited the Patriots and Titans. During the process, he hasn't shied away from posting on social media.

His latest comes on the new Threads app. I know you're all over that. And here's what DeAndre Hopkins said. I'll retire from football when I'm not a 1,000-yard receiver. With that said, I was on pace for 1,400 last year. one significant injury in 11 years. I might be playing until I'm 37, the way I feel. I really like him, and I've only met him once.

I like him, I would sign him. I, now there's- Doesn't this seem like a dude who's desperate and disappointed in what he's getting offered, and he's just trying to let people know I can play? I don't think he's desperate. Really? He's been on the market for three weeks. Well, he's got three really interesting teams after him. How do you know-

Timeout? If they're after him, why have they signed him? What's the holdup? If there's three networks after me, why do I have to rush to sign? Well, if they're clamoring for your work, somebody's going to make a good offer, right? If I was DeAndre Hopkins, and I have, I believe, I don't know who his agent is, but if I'm DeAndre Hopkins, let me just say this definitive. What's the hurt? New England needs a receiver more than I need to be a patriot.

Yeah. Hey, Kansas City doesn't need, I think Kansas City's sitting here kind of playing around thinking we'd love to have him, we don't need him. but if I'm D'Andre Hopkins, the narrative is he's desperate and nobody wants him. I'm going to take the telescope and flip it and say he's not desperate. He's made a lot of money and he's going to pick the right team and he's not going to be low balls. So fine, I'll take the other side. The Cardinals had him. They tried to trade him.

No takers. Nobody wants. They're like, all right, we got to just cut him. Yeah, but trades different. Right, exactly. The Arizona could have been asking for way beyond what. Okay, fine. Patriots.

We'll give you a sixth round pick. And they're like, no way. Andre Hopkins? Well, I guess that's how they value him. I don't think he's got the value in the market that we think. And by the way, just to be clear, there's now 17 games in a season. This idea that a 1,000-yard receiver means anything, that's nothing special. It was back in the day.

He was on pace for 1,400 yards. That's a lot of yards. If I said, I got a guy, I can bring to your football team. 89 yards a Sunday. That's a lot of yards. Okay. You can say that. If teams thought that was possible, he would have been off the market already.

No, no, no. He's got three suitors. Andy Reed, Belichick, Braybel, three coaches are like, we like him. He's just not desperate. So, not to go way back, but when I sold my website, I had a company that I was working with. Hey, by the way, DeAndre Hopkins agent, whoever you are, get my phone number and text me. I'm right on this. Go ahead.

Okay. So a company makes an offer for my website. And I'm like, great, that's awesome. I love it. Let me give it a weekend, 72 hours. Another person in the media comes to me and says, hey, no, no, no, no. I want to buy it. I said, what's the number?

They told me some numbers. They didn't get specific. And I was like, not good enough. I'm going with my first offer. Thank you. Done deal. Like, what's the hold of?

Get in camp. Get in with the new quarterback. Get in with the new offense. There's a lot of newness for an old guy. When you were, when you had your website, you were a sports writer. So you were living on peanut brittle. And somebody offered you enough to buy a house.

And so that's different than star receiver who's got 30 million in the bank. By the way, UFC tomorrow. DeAndre Hopkins loves UFC. So we're going to talk about this. Are you trying to get like a 1% cut in this deal? What's going on? The whole narrative is nobody likes DeAndre Hopkins. I do not believe that. I do not believe that to be true. Okay, fine. They like him, but they don't love him. How's this? Nobody wants to take DeAndre Hawkins to the prom. A lot of people think, oh man, he's cool. He's fun. Might be a good hang. I'm not going to ask. You know, like the girl who everybody, like,

how does that girl not have a date to the prom? DeAndre Hopkins does not have a prom day. The reason she doesn't is because she's picky. And by the way, not everybody has to go to the prom. A lot of cute girls don't because there's not much to choose from on the market, if you will. There's a lot of cute girls that don't go to the prom. And he's made $110 million in his career. Why am I going to go play with Mac Jones? So I've got to get Mac Jones, Belichick, the system, and you're not going to pay me?

I'm going to go to Kansas City. I'm waiting for Kansas City to throw some lettuce out there. Yeah, a lot of lettuce. Hey, here's $2 million, D'Andre, in. Incentive-laden. That's the phrase of the week. My goal this weekend, my entire goal is to figure out who his agent is and talk to it. That should not be difficult.

Because I swear I'm right. You've turned him into a slot receiver who's 5'8 and can't separate. Well, listen, there's a lot of video out there from, you know, the social media denizens of Hopkins struggling to separate last year. That's not what he is. I'm not saying he's lost a step. He's never been a separator. He's a yard after the catch. He's a catching radius.

he is a throw the ball up. Now it may be a hater. He's also a guy who does not like to practice. That's been well documented. He's not a great practice player. I know. You want a great practice player in your squad? Oh, hey, your team is a culture center right there.

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It's the 2023 All-Star Game. Coverage begins Tuesday at 7 Eastern on Fox. You know who's on my show Monday? Our show Monday? The Herd Monday? Derek Jeter. Now batting Derek Jita is on our show Monday. Yeah. Yeah. Not anybody else's show. That's a good get, but in studio or no? Well, he's at the All-Star game. Oh, that's right.

I've never met the captain. The captain's the captain for a reason. Derek, Jita. It's a pretty big time. Okay, so as you know, I do not play favorites. As America's honesty broker, I'm often targeted by those who think I play favorites. I used to bring Lincoln Riley on this show every year when he was at Oklahoma. I didn't bring Clay Hilton on regularly, did I?

I brought Lincoln Riley. Riley on because I thought he was great. So Lincoln Riley goes to a four-win USC program. Here we go into year two, and their top three in recruiting, top five preseason poll, believed to be buying, and I think it's realistic. I don't think they'll win the national title. I think LSU is going to surprise people, but Georgia, Michigan, USC short class. Brett Venables takes over Oklahoma, which had been on a five-year role.

I mean, it'd been on a 20-year-roll with Bob Stoops, Lincoln Riley. Goes into year two. The Big 12 media knows the Big 12. They're pretty good on this stuff. Do you see the Big 12 media preseason poll? Oklahoma's third. The hell, third. I mean, Sark's done a nice job recruiting.

Oklahoma's third? In fact, they're closer to Texas Tech than Kansas State. So the people who watch and vote on this think Texas is the class of the conference. Kansas State is a definitive number two. Oklahoma, not much to separate them from Texas Tech and TCU. So here's the interesting thing. Lincoln Riley was number one preseason poll five out of five years. Turns around a mess of a program in one year.

Brett Venables takes over, I mean, humming. Now a deep third. And this is what's interesting. They've still recruited well. Oklahoma always does. Top four national recruiting class, top 10 transfer class. Sooner still recruit at a high level. Hell of a lot higher than Texas Tech.

What the Big 12 media is saying, we got a coaching issue. And if you look at the schedule of Oklahoma, here's the problematic part. Texas is on a neutral field. They don't play Kansas State, Baylor, or Texas Tech, considered three of the top five teams in the conference. So Oklahoma can be mediocre. Look at the schedule. Sorry for the radio audience.

It's drag and win 10 games. So it becomes USC at Clay Hilton. The PAC 12 was so bad, was so down that you can win eight, nine games, and administration won't pull the plug. So if you look at Oklahoma's schedule, I don't think I've ever seen a schedule for a national power this week. The Big 12s never been weaker. Got all these new members.

They don't play K-State, Baylor, Texas Tech, and Texas is a neutral field. So what's going to happen is that Oklahoma is going to win a lot of close games because they just have far better players. They're going to win nine or ten games. I mean, last year is the first losing record since 98. So Oklahoma just doesn't have losing seasons. That's just inexplicable. I don't care you lost Caleb Williams.

You went and got a great quarterback out of the South. You got a great quarterback. Don't tell me about Caleb Williams left. You have a guy that's going to get drafted quarterbacking right now for your football team. So I know I got Gerald McCoy coming up top of the next hour the sooner. But this is, wow, already down to third. Again, I don't play favorites. I do not.

Gerald McCoy may not come on the show now. This is a problem. And I know you think I'm anti-Oklahoma. been very pro-Kyler-Murie for years. Love Jalen Hertz. He transferred. Loved Lincoln Riley. That's a problem.

I'm not going to go into it anymore. I know digitally, anytime I say anything about Oklahoma, y'all tell me you hate me, and it gets like 8 billion views. So I'm not going to go on anymore. But that schedule is so bad, Brett Venable's going to stumble into 11 wins. It's a terrible schedule. And then they're going to feel like, hey, we got our guy, and they're going to pivot right into the SEC.

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