The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd-HOUR-1-Steelers, Tom Brady, Broncos, Cowboys

Episode Date: September 15, 2020

The Steelers were a little rusty but have higher standards while the Giants were just plain badColin thinks HC Bruce Arians is a little off with his comments about Tom BradyEven though the Broncos lost, they have a high ceilingThe Cowboys are another injury away from having problemsGuest: Doug Gottlieb Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Two games last night. Great games. Steelers back. Your Pittsburgh girl. Steeler's back. Nice win. I liked it. I liked what I saw from Ben.

All right. He looked like Ben Rothesberger. He did. Which. Shaggy. Can go a lot of different ways. All right. Let me start with this.

We know what the Steelers are. The last decade, they've been the Mike Tyson of the NFL. Man, they've been. beat up on bad teams. They roll average teams. Mike Tyson did that. If you were average, pass your prime, a B fighter, man, you look at Tyson, you're like, he'd destroy the greatest fighters of all time. But when you put Lennox Lewis in the ring with him, he was outclassed. When you put Evander Holyfield two times in the ring with him, a great technical fighter, a guy with a chin, Mike Tyson looked lost. That's what the Steelers are. We knew the Steelers,

We're going to beat a new head coach. Do you understand the last decade, the Pittsburgh Steelers against the Browns and Bengals, bad organizations, are 33, 6 and 1? But what are they against the Ravens and the Patriots in the last decade? 10 and 18.

And those are the teams you've got to beat to get to the land where the Steelers feel is theirs. Super Bowls. That's what Pittsburgh is about. This is not the New York Mets. This is not the Jags. This is not, you know, the Milwaukee Bucks.

These are the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is, you know, looking for the fifth ring, you know, one for the thumb. This is a Pittsburgh Steelers, right? Even last year, they were 8 and 2 on their third string quarterback, a guy named Duck. And when you're the Steelers and you have great ownership and a great GM and a Hall of Fame quarterback, and they always have great weapon, they always have great wide receivers, and a good offensive line and lineback. that can run over the field, but you have continuity.

You're going to beat half the teams on your schedule just because you're not a dumpster fire, and they never are. Last night was classic Pittsburgh. Whoa! I think they're a Super Bowl team. They dominated! Yeah, because they're buttoned up in terms of organizationally. They draft well.

They develop players. They do a great job. But then they run into those. elite teams and those elite quarterbacks. And you do get in 2020, the AFC runs through Andy Reid, Hall of Famer, Patrick Moe Holmes, going to be a Hall of Famer. Lamar Jackson, world class. John Harbaugh probably gets into the Hall of Fame.

Giants are not what you've got to get through. The New York Giants, new head coach, new coordinator, new system, second year quarterback in Daniel Jones. Pittsburgh's been beaten up on that for the last decade. That's not the issue. The Giants are a lot closer to the Browns and the Bengals than they are to the Ravens and the Chiefs today. The Giants are a mess. I know what I get from Pittsburgh when they face teams like that.

I mean, again, just having their front office and their ownership and Big Ben in continuity, which they almost always have, that's going to, a solid head coach and a solid quarterback, you know, you're going to win a bunch of games in the NFL just because you've got your, you know what together. But the Steelers, nine and seven and out in the first. round, 10 and 6, second in the division wildcar out in the first round. That's not what the Steelers are about. Their standards are much, much higher. Their standards are the Ravens standards and, you know, the Packer standards and the Patriot standards.

That's their standards here. And last night, you know what, last night, my two takeaways, the New York Giants stink. And number two, it's good to have Big Ben back. It's good to have Big Ben back. I'm happy to see Big Ben. Fan of Duck Hodges, but good to have Big Ben back. And all those receivers and the Steelers and they're winning, it's Monday night. But Mike Tomlin, he knows the truth about this season.

And he knows the truth about last night. I thought they showed their medal. I thought that they were physically tough, mentally tough. But we got to do some things better. And, you know, we knew we weren't going to be perfect tonight. We talked about that openly last night in preparation for this opportunity. But there's more meat on the bone. And I appreciate the efforts.

We just got to search for a higher ceiling in terms of quality of play. At least the coach knows. That's the good news. He knows what he saw. He knows what they have to be to get back to a Steeler level, not beating a lousy Giants team, Browns and Bingles and all that NFL nonsense. Okay. So nobody likes criticism. Let's be honest about it. I don't like it. You don't like it. Even constructive criticism from people we respect, we don't sleep well that night. Tom Brady got ripped by his coach. The wording was a little loose for my taste. Bruce Ariens criticizing Tom Brady. The wording at the end of this is not real precise. Here we go. Yeah, I mean, he looked like Tom Brady in practice all the time.

So it's kind of unusual to see that in the ballgame because they didn't do the things that we didn't get ready for. Everything they did, we thought we were ready for. He knew he didn't play very well. And it's not what he expects from himself, nor do we expect. So I wouldn't anticipate him to have a little more grit and a little more determination this week. Excuse me? Tom Brady wasn't determined enough? I don't know if your television set's been working for 20 years.

Tom's got issues. He's not the greatest athlete. But the determination thing, I'm going to go with Tom's good on that. Secret practices, helicopters hovering at high schools in Tampa. Got to be careful here. Bruce Ariens is loose. His lips are loose. His teams are loose.

Last year, led the NFL in penalties. First week, nine penalties. Punt block. that's Tampa. That's Bruce Ariens. By the way, Aryans admitted after looking at the film, oh, wait, that first interception, that was on Mike Evans. That was not on Tom Brady.

It's not a small thing. Ariens reminds me a little bit of Brett Farv. Talented, gunslinger, details, kind of a go-with-a-gut guy. I like Ariens. I liked Farv. but you're dealing with Tom Brady, the greatest at his position ever.

And Brady is the opposite of Fars. He is the opposite of Ariens. He is absurdly buttoned up, absurdly detailed, ridiculously committed, beyond obsessed. I'd be careful about questioning the determination thing. This was always my concern in Tampa, that you had this almost MIT, Harvard, level commitment and attention to detail. You just work. You sleep at the facility.

And in Tampa, that's not what they are. It's loose. It's fun. It's tequila at 530. I'm not even talking directly to Arian. It's just the organization. I used to cover it. It's not aspirational.

It's not buttoned up. Hey, there's always tomorrow we lost a playoff game. Oh, wait, they don't get to the playoffs. Longest NFC drought in the playoffs. longer than Detroit. Jimmy Johnson said this yesterday. The greater the quarterback, the more careful you have to be

with the public criticism. Anytime you call out one of your players publicly, especially a quarterback with their egos, you're going to cause some tension there. And I think it's tension that you don't really need. But, you know, sometimes all of us, you know, reporters asking questions, you know, right off the cuff.

you want to give them the right answer. A lot of times you shouldn't give them the right answer. Belichick's got it best, you know, owned to Cincinnati. And so, yeah, I don't think it's good to publicly criticize your quarterback. Listen, Aryans basically came out and said, listen, they didn't show us anything we didn't expect. Translation, I got it right, he didn't. My game plan was great. He wasn't.

He's got to be careful. Listen, the other thing is people who are driven. and goal-oriented and tough on themselves. Tom knows his mistakes. The people you have to get after are the ones like Baker-Mayfield who play average football and think they're great and have no humility. Joe Burrow came out this weekend, played darn well. He's like, I was bad.

I don't have to worry about Joe Burrow. I don't have to worry about Brady. I don't have to worry about Russell Wilson. I don't have to worry about Lamar Jackson. Those guys are great, and there B-plus efforts. They're like, I was lousy. You got to worry about the people who play average and think they're great. Brady knows he wasn't ideal.

Brady knows of his mistakes. He's buttoned up. Tampa historically not. I'd just be careful what I say here. It's a long season. Coming up next, Denver, Tennessee. I know. It was shanking kicks.

It was a mess late into the night. But patience. is really important. And that game doesn't mean much, but the decisions this morning and after it could make and change an organization. And we'll talk about that coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific

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That's amazing. This is my Pittsburgh, black and yellow. Oh, you do that. You're very good. But it does much as sad to them. So listen, Tennessee beats Denver and all of us sportscaster today could just crush Vic Fangio, who didn't use his timeouts as Tennessee was driving down the field, you know, 80 yards, 12 plays. You're thinking to yourself, call some timeouts, call some timeouts.

It's always, it's kind of, you know, Belichick sometimes lets other teams. Remember the Super Bowl where Belichick didn't call a timeout and he let the Seahawks and Pete Carroll freak out? Like there's a lot of different ways to do this. Some coaches are like, no, this is hard. Ryan Tannahill's average. I'm a good defensive coordinator. I'm not going to call timeouts. I'm going to see if you can figure out how to get down the field.

I could beat up on Vic Fangio. A lot of coaches see the world differently. Belichick has been one of these guys historically is, if your quarterback's not great, I'm not going to use my timeouts. See if you can go down the field 70 yards. Whatever. I'm not going to bang on Vic Fangio. I would have called timeouts.

But there's a lot of different ways in the NFL. NFL at the end of games to use your timeouts. I don't think you should be saving them. I'll say that. But that game's not about those timeouts. This is about Drew Locke. We are seeing all these great young quarterbacks in the league. We saw another one.

Joe Burrell looks potentially very good. That's what this league's all about right now. Do you have a kingmaker? Do you have a playmaker? Looks like Kyler Murray's that guy. We got Patrick Mahomes, that guy. Lamar's that guy. Russell's that guy.

Aaron Roger's still that guy. That's what this league is about. And Drew Rock, that game's not about losing last night. It's about being patient because Denver's got a really good young tied end and two good running backs. And it looks like a potential star at wide receiver. Don't go crazy on last night. Some teams are looking to win the Super Bowl this year. You know who they are.

The Ravens, the Chiefs, Seattle, Green Bay, San Francisco, the Saints. This team's not a Super Bowl team. That is not their goal. Their goal is to find a franchise quarterback, and since John Elway retired years and years and years and years and decades ago, they can't find one. They had to rent one in Peyton Manning. He was old and had four neck surgeries by the time he got to Denver.

Okay, Denver has a new head. Don't go crazy on this. They got a new offensive coordinator. Their number one receiver was out. Their number two receiver is a rookie. Their tight end is a second year tight end. Drew Locke's got six starts. Listen, Tennessee's been around a while.

They're a good 9 and 7 team. They're a playoff team. Don't get into the minutia with Vic Fangio. I would have called the timeouts. But last night is about more than that. A lot of teams, 7, 8, 9, 10, they think they can win the Super Bowl. Denver does, but they can't. That's not where they're at.

They're not in that space. This is a really good franchise. They can't get the quarterback right. I think they have a chance if they're patient. Now, is Vic Fangio the right guy with Drew Locke? I don't know. You don't have to have an offensive coach. I mean, is John Harbaugh an offensive coach?

He's been great for Lamar Jackson. Is Sean McDermott in Buffalo an offensive coach? Nope, he's been great for Josh Allen. Pete Carroll's a defensive coach. Russell Wilson's got two Super Bowl trips and one title. You don't have to be an offensive coach. It would be great if everybody had Kyle Shanahan. But Jimmy Garoppolo has Kyle Shanahan.

Sometimes you're not sure if they get along. John Gruden's an offensive guy, and he's brutally harsh on Derek Carr. Sometimes the offensive coach is too demanding, is a perfectionist, and has his own system and worldview, and it doesn't work with the quarterback. I don't know if Vic Fangio's the guys. I would have used timeouts last night, but the fascinating team isn't the team that won last night. Tennessee's got Ryan Tannihill on the AFC. Ceiling low, next issue.

They'll go nine and seven, because they always do. If Rable's a very good coach, they can run the ball, they're tough. You know, they'll be fine. The story's Denver. Can they find the next L-Way? Now, this is an L-Way. You don't need an L-Way to win a Super Bowl. You've got to be patient.

As far as the timeouts, Vic Fangio, is he the future? I don't know. A little old out of touch sometimes, but here's his explanation. Well, it was two-fold there. One, their field goal kicker had obviously been having his problems. So I didn't want to extend the drive to where they could get closer, number one. And number two, you know, we would have used the timeout, but we got the running back out of bounds.

We would have used the second timeout, but they threw an incompletion, you know, which would have given us one left when we got the ball back. So that was part of the thinking there. Not going to crush him for that. I would have used him. I've seen coaches who I respect who have Super Bowls not use them. And he reads a great coach.

His time management has always been the one thing he gets knocked for. So, you know, I would have used them, but I think the fascinating thing is sometimes the team that wins is not the story. Drew Locke with Fant and Melvin Gordon and Judy and I'm telling you, Denver skill people are young and they may not be on your fantasy team. They got a lot of talent. They have drafted John Elway. You're going to have your critics of him, but man, they are ready. If Drew Locke is the guy, watch out because they are stacked offensively at the skill positions.

Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the other big story last night, as Vic just mentioned, the kicker, Stephen Gusskowski, had a nightmare game. Shankowski. For his Titans debut last night, he missed three field goals and an extra point, leaving 10 points on the board. But with 17 seconds remaining, he redeemed himself, sort of, and hit the game-winning field goals.

to get his team the 1614 win over the Broncos. What have you done for me lately? That's what this league is, I guess. I don't know. Do you forget that he missed that much? That's cut. This is pretty substantial. Most classic Belichick cuts a Hall of Fame kicker,

and he suddenly can't kick. Belichick always just gets rid of a guy just, everybody else, everybody paid, overpaid for, you know, like Malcolm Butler and Dionne Lewis, and he just, Bill just. And you know what, the league, everyone around the league just keeps falling for it. every single time. Every time. I, I, Belichick must love that.

Well, look, he had 14 seasons in New England, three Super Bowl rings, four Pro Bowls. He was a great kicker. He's a Hall of Famer. He left the Patriots as the whole time leading score. Yeah. He is a Hall of Famer. It's just rough. That was, that was something.

It was painful to watch. You know what's funny about that is that nobody really ages well in the NFL. The difference is like a punter. He shanks a couple. just disappears into the ether. Right. When a kicker ages poorly, it's like, you know,

the camera's right on him. It usually is crucial. And nobody has any sympathy for kickers. Oh, none. Because you're not doing anything during OTAs and training. Leashed athletic player. You just sit out and hang out with other kickers. Yeah.

You're in the shade. And you just got to come in. But then all the pressure's on you, right? Like we don't see or hear from you until you got to save the game for all of us. We've never done a kicker segment until today. And that tells you. We don't talk about, we never talk about the kid in Baltimore who's been, is one of the great kickers in the history.

Yeah, yeah, we never talk about him. We only talk about, we only talk offensive linemen and kickers when you screw up is the only time we talk about it. Entering the game, he'd never miss three field goals in a game. He was from 42, 47 and had a 44-yard attempt blocked. And he has now missed an extra point attempt in four consecutive games. So it's over. It's, uh, it went downhill quickly. So O'Do Beckham didn't shine the way a star receiver.

should on Sunday, three receptions, 22 yards against the Ravens, albeit a pretty rough game for the Browns all around. He did have a game high 10 targets, though, and Kevin Sampansky is hoping Baker can get the ball to their star receiver even more going forward. I think we got a pretty good feel for Odell and his skill set. I mean, he's a talented football player, so it's our job to put him in position to make plays. We're mindful of all of our players in terms of how they're touching it. There were opportunities early where the coverage took it away or or somebody else was open, those type of things. But he's a good football player,

so I don't think it's newsworthy that he's a focal point of our office. For the record, Thursday night football. Yeah, it's going to be very good this week. Bengals Browns. Baker against Burroughs. I'll tell you, this is, we said this yesterday. This is where the NFL is different than every sport in America. You and I would never watch bad anything.

College football, hockey, bad. Bengals Browns could end up not being good. I cannot wait. I'm throwing a house party Thursday. I cannot wait for Baker versus Burrough. You and the dogs? Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure they'll be as jazzed. For Burrow and Baker, as they were, for Brady and Breeze.

Listen, everyone was jazzed for Brady and Breeze. Best rating since the Super Bowl. But it's a game. It's a real game. This is something. And it could go very badly. the Bengals have nothing to lose. If they lose, it's expected.

If the Browns lose. After Pittsburgh looked pretty good last night. And they got stomped by the Ravens. Oh, boy. You know, this, it sounds overly dramatic. This game for Cleveland on Thursday is massive. It is, you cannot go 0 and 2. And if the Steelers and the Ravens, when you're 2 and 0,

oh, oh, my God. You can't go 0. Do I sound ridiculous saying that? No. They're both. You just lost a division game. You have a division opponent on Thursday. The Steelers just won.

Oh, my God. Yeah, absolutely. This is a massive game for. Must win graphics Thursday. I will say, though, man, like, I'm not ready to give up on O'Dell. Well, so can we just, we just get them out of Cleveland? Like, I know Cleveland fans don't want to hear that, but. It doesn't fit perfectly.

It's not working. And I understand that O'Dell. was hurt last year for most of the year. But like, and I don't want to overreact to week one. You only have a couple games to prove me wrong with that statement. Like this, you got to get him going. This is a huge piece to your offense. And whether he necessarily is or not his name alone demands that he does be,

that he has to be a big part of your offense. Otherwise, he's got to be a trade piece. I just think I, he's a star and I just feel like he is, he's lost in Cleveland. Oh, he's done an amazing job of buying into everything that Cleveland's doing. So I don't think that it's his fault. And I don't necessarily think it's Baker's fault. I just think it's not working. Yeah, some relationships don't work.

It's okay. Finally, following their disappointing exit in the playoffs, Buck's ownership is showing Yannis, they're committed to building a championship team. Yannis apparently met with the owner, Mark Lazarie, for three hours last week to discuss the future of the team. And Lazarie assured him that they are willing to spend into the luxury tax in the off season in order to build a stronger supporting cast.

Three hours is a long meeting. That is a long meeting. That's a long meeting. I mean, I love my wife, but if we're not drinking wine, I haven't sat and talked to her for three hours. Like, that's intense. And he also stopped following some of the bucks on. Yeah, he followed the team and his teammates on Twitter and Instagram

after they were eliminated in the postseason. He stopped following them. Yeah. Okay, what does that mean? Well, what does that mean? I don't know. So it's something. Like, it can't be nothing.

You cannot tell me I'm going to no longer follow any of my coworkers. and there's not some... Unless you started that way, like unless you're Beyonce and you only follow one person, or you, don't you only follow Baker? I used to only follow Baker. Oh, okay, so you've expanded now?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So unless you, that's just what you do and you don't follow anybody, that's fine, but you can't have followed them and then unfollow them and then say that it's nothing. Thank you. But that just doesn't work.

I mean, even if you don't, because let's say, like, oh, like, I don't use social media anymore, then just don't look at it. You don't need to unfollow it. You know it sends a message. Thank you. So I don't know that I buy into this.

Like I'm not saying that they're not going to try to spend more money. But if Yonis does decide to stay in Milwaukee, and I know that there is a certain section of NBA fandom and obviously Milwaukee fans that hope that he does that, I am not one of them. The East is not going to look like this next year. I keep telling you this. Kevin Durant is coming back.

He's going to be in Brooklyn. You better bring something. It's not going to look the same. The heat are going to get better. Boston is going to get better. Toronto can make moves at any time, as we know. They've already done it. So if you're going to spend, I suggest you be aggressive.

Enjoy it with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. And I will say this. I've never had a three-hour meeting in my life that lasted that long where I didn't yell at somebody. I've had a million meetings.

It's too long. Three hours is too long. Three hours, we had a disagreement. Or we'd been out of here in 90 minutes. I feel like we meet for three hours every day. Yeah, two, and it's mostly because we're just... We gave breaks, though, where we don't have to talk. It's something went on in that meeting that wasn't ideal.

It should have. Okay, so Van der Resch, good linebacker for the Cowboys, surgery collarbone, out now for probably six to eight weeks, Jarwin the tight end out for the season. Okay. This is what happened to the L.A. Rams. When you got seven or eight massive contracts, you have less depth.

And one or two injuries, and the season goes downhill. Last year, the Rams were going to be good, right? They just got to the Super Bowl. Oh, then they have a center, and then they lose a guy on free agency, and then they have a couple injuries, and all of a sudden you're like, Rams can't protect golf, and Todd Gurley, okay, when you have a top heavy roster, you're going to have to steal from somewhere else.

You can't pay everybody and be deep. and the Steelers and the Patriots have always been very good at this. The Packers, too, that they don't pay a lot of people. And we complain, they don't pay enough people, but they've got a little more depth, and they can lose one player and be okay in Green Bay. Last year, the Steelers lost a quarterback, and then a second, and they were still eight and eight, and New England loses people, and it's next man up. The problem is, who's your man?

And so the Rams are top heavy. They paid Gurley too much too early. They paid Brandon Cook's too much. much. Jalen Ramsey, I like him, but they're paying him about 30% more than the market bears. And the Rams, now they've been healthy so far, but we saw it last year. Philadelphia Eagles this weekend. They pay Wentz a ton. Fletcher Cox a ton.

Lane Johnson a ton. Brandon Brooks a ton. Alshon Jeffrey a ton. Oh, Lane's hurt. They're disintegrate against Washington. This is what happens in this league. That's why I always say I'm not against players getting paid. pay infrequently.

You pay a handful of stars big money, and then you don't. And then you make tough decisions. By the way, Kansas City is becoming this a little bit. Chris Jones, a lot. Mahomes, I get it a lot. And then Sammy Watkins, a lot. You better restructure that. And Travis Kelsey a lot.

And all of a sudden you look up one day and you're like, you're a Honey Badger injury away or a Mitchell-Schwart's injury away from you can't protect Mahomes. You're playing from behind. He's throwing too much. So this is my knock on Dallas. Dallas, the Rams and the Eagles have a lot of big paychecks and a lot of stars, and it's great when they're healthy. But Dallas is now one more injury away. Tyron Smith left tackle. He's great, but he's not built to play 16 games anymore. So now they've lost Gerald McCoy defensive tackle out for the year. Tide in, out for the year. center, gone, retired.

Tyron Smith, keep your fingers crossed. Vandreche, out for two months. They are a Tyron Smith injury at left tackle from being in some real chaos in Dallas. So everybody's like, just pay DAC. It's like, this is why the franchise tag was built. Like, you better get that quarterback contract right. You better get it right. And as much as I like Kansas City, you know, Chris Jones goes down.

Now you don't have the pass rush. Now Patrick Mahomes is in shootouts. So, you know, I'm not anti-paying players. I'm not. I am for paying your hitmakers and your stars. But this is fairly predictable with Dallas. They're one more injury away from, uh-oh, uh-oh, the season's unraveling. All right.

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Tonight we have the Clippers game again. Denver game 7. By the way, this just in, this just leaked. Brett McMurphy, a reporter, the Big Ten is set to announce that they're going to resume play. We talked about this last week. I heard this last Wednesday. I was told last Wednesday by a guy up the chain. They were going to play mid-October. It's been finalized. October 17th, the Big Ten will play. The reason the story got out, Nebraska's athletic director on a hot mic didn't know he was on the mic, let it slip. Nebraska president, my bad. Sorry, the AD was fine.

It's the goofy president and the bow tie that screwed up. So the president for Nebraska on a hot mic, boom, and got in trouble. But this is what we talked about last Wednesday. I was hearing from two sources up the food chain of the Big Ten. They were going to resume play. Pack 12 is off sleeping. What-Eves. Not a shock.

But the Big Ten's coming back. I feel good for Ohio State. I'm happy for Ohio State. Everybody in their state's playing except the Buckeyes. I totally get the frustration. I'm very happy for Ohio. State. They're a national championship team. They deserve to play. They want to play.

Kids do, coaches, do parents do. All right. Let's bring in Doug Gottlie, brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. So my takeaway on the Steelers last night was, I know they beat the Giants. They always beat the crappy teams. But did you see a team that's got next level potential?

That's the question for me. It was with Pittsburgh. Look, we saw a relatively healthy Ben Rothesberger. I think that was the big question, right? I mean, it's a lot like the Cam Newton thing. Cam Newton was healthy. We still don't know if he can throw the football down field or take a beating the rest of the season. But like, look, Ben obviously looked far healthier than he had last year when he had that big grizzly beard and looked about 50 pounds overweight.

So, look, they did what they were supposed to do. I was disappointed in Joe Judge hunting on the Steelers 40-yard lines. Their first year, you'd get a pass if you didn't get it. He was super, super conservative. But I have no sense for the top of the food chain, the Ravens and the chiefs, what the Can City Chiefs will look like. I just know that Ben Rothsburger, for now, appears to be healthy. And if he's healthy combined with a talented defense, they should have a shot. By the way, Drew Locke, I'm not sure what he is.

I think they've surrounded him with some really compelling parts. What was your, what's your grade? What's your takeaway on what you see from the young kid? Well, look, I do think he's talented. he is athletic and they're using him the right way, rolling him out. Remember, they didn't have Cortland Sutton. He didn't play last night. Right.

And, you know, Melvin Gordon suddenly has become a big fumbler, at least against the Tennessee Titans going back to his charger days. They've given him weapons. The line is better than it's been. But we also have to remember that the score was not really indicative of the game. Okay. Yes, Jerry Judy, big drop, which changed the game. Yes, they didn't have Cortland Sutton.

but if Gaskowski can make any of those field goals, it's not close late, right? It changed the complete tenor of the game that here, normally, a very good to great kicker, can't make a 40-yard field goal, which in the NFL is like an 85-90 percent shot. So, especially in Denver. So look, do I like him? Yes. Do I think they have the quarterback of the present? Yes.

Is he the long-term solution? It feels that way. but again, let's kind of take a breath and realize that the Titan should have won by, you know, six to nine points if they could simply make a field goal or an extra point. Listen, we all know when you're an athlete, you get criticized. We get it. It's part of it. But it is interesting when you're the greatest player ever and a very loose operator is telling you,

I think you'll be more determined next week. Like, Brady's got issues. Determination's never been one of them. I'm on the Jimmy Johnson side. I'm not a huge fan of going after Brady. Ariens backtracked a little. And I like Bruce Ariens, but Doug,

I always feel he's a little loose. I think you take a deep breath. I didn't love the criticism of Brady publicly. Your thoughts? Well, public, the big part is publicly, right? All that stuff he said behind closed doors, I don't think Brady has a problem with.

I'm not sure Brady actually has a problem with it publicly. It's just the idea of this was one of the reasons that we were told Giselle, was ticked at Bill Belichick. Was he he treated him just like he was anybody else, not like a superstar quarterback. Of course, she's a supermodel. She's used to being treated like somebody else.

So how Brady reacts. And I don't think anybody thinks that Brady played well, especially Brady. The part that bothered me was the arrogant, there's nothing that they did that we didn't prepare for it. Yeah. That's the, it's not me, it's you. When you're supposed to do the Sean McVeigh,

have you ever seen a Sean McVeigh press conference? Yeah. Everyone looks exactly the same. The players are great. If something went wrong, it's on me. We got to figure it out. And then I'm sure behind closed doors, it's the exact opposite, right? We told you this was coming. It was odd, but if you ask people in Tampa, this is kind of how he rolls, right? Calls out his left tackle, calls out his quarterback, doesn't really care. I'm intrigued to see how this marriage, this second marriage for Brady goes because they do run a loose ship. They do commit penalties that they didn't commit in New England. They do, you know, you do have a coach who calls you out in a public session. like a press conference. It is kind of loosey-goosey, and it isn't the same culture he's used to. And there's a lot of reasons that only 33% of the free agents hit. Like you ask NFL people to say one-third of the free agents hit. And you overpay for free agents. It'll be interesting to see if this is a hit or if this is a miss. He is 43. He looked 43. He missed on some

throws that he shouldn't miss. And he's playing in the perfect conditions, the perfect conditions of a dome what happens when those conditions change and what happens when now of a sudden he gets criticism when he doesn't have the equity. Like Bill Belichick can criticize you because Bill Belichick has six rings. Bill Belichick has done it with you, can do it without you. He can win 10 games with Matt Castle. So I'll be really interested to see how this marriage proceeds. All right. You're a basketball guide too.

I want to get to game seven tonight, Clippers and Denver. So, you know, one of the things I'll talk about later is take out dynasties. You know, take out MJ, take out, you know, take out Golden State, Durant. A lot of series go deep. Nine of the last 12 NBA champs have gone seven games somewhere in the playoffs. Are we just overreacting and realizing nobody ever said the Clippers were great? We think they're the best team in a year of a bunch of good teams and that game seven doesn't, but there's no big conclusion that they've been a disappointment.

Well, there's, look, there's a lot to. what makes this different, okay? It's not that they forced a game seven, right? It's not like, like, look, if you had to go to Denver, you're playing in the altitude and they hit every three, but you're up, what, 16 and 19 and back-to-back games? And it wasn't just they're up 19 in game six, because the rest of the world was watching the NFL or maybe the U.S. Open and tennis. Like, they went from up 19 to getting blown out by, I think the final score was 14. They got boat raced in the second half. There's something wrong there. And I don't know whether it's, you know, they got bubble fever where you got,

you know, Lou Williams wants to get out and get on the town. Paul George has said it's hurt his mental health. I don't think they have a point guard. I think it's really hard to have a leader who's relatively mute, like a Kauai Leonard. Yeah. And you have no culture of winning there. The clippers have literally never been past the second round.

So you're telling people about something that there's never been accomplished with that name across the front of your chest, which I do think is something. Yeah. But the juxtaposition of the Lakers who smell blood with the Houston Rockets and stomp them out and said, you have no shot to the clippers who have allowed the nuggets to hang around. By the way, this sounds ridiculous, but Brown's Bengals feels so important for Cleveland on Thursday night. You got a minute left. Like, we're not crazy.

Like, that feels like a huge game for Baker Mayfield in Cleveland, right? Correct. Correct. Look, the Bengals are a little bit better than you think. Remember they get Joe Mixin, who was injured some last year back. AJ Green is back. The defense has been rebuilt. But Cleveland personnel-wise, like if you're doing a pickup game, out of the 22 guys in the field,

generally you're going to take about 18 Cleveland Browns, maybe even 19. And Baker looks in the mirror and thinks he's Russell Wilson, and he's got to be Drew Breeze, and he's not. This is the type of game. You lose on a Thursday night, and all of a sudden it becomes a dumpster fire because Odell's not happy. the defense isn't competing well and Baker Mayfield gets to blame. Remember, the coach is the first to go. That's gone.

Then the GM. Next thing to go is the players, specifically the quarterback. Thursday night is massive in Ohio. Good stuff. Doug Gottlieb, Dugger Foxborough Sports Radio after our show. Good talking to you, bud. Great to catch up. Nice beard.

Thank you. It really is actually, you know, that's the great thing about shortened season. You and I have talked about this. I think the NBA should be about 68 games long. Why? Every game matters. Like when I was a kid, you know, Van Halen was big. That was a rock band.

Van Halen came to Seattle once. That's it. You got them. Like every third year, Eddie Van Halen and, you know, David Lee Roth came into town. You had to go. If Van Halen showed up four times a summer and did some Lala Paloza thing and there are. Scarcity equals intensity equals urgency. You go down, you're Owen, too, if you're Cleveland.

the Ravens look like the best team ever created. Pittsburgh schedule. Go look at Pittsburgh schedule this morning. It is a lot of fluff. It is a lot of home games against chaotic teams. They get the AFC East this year. You go O and two and now Burrow beat you. We got a major problem in the Baker Mayfield cap.

Now, I do think, to Doug's point, this is one of these. If you're on a football field and could just, you know, you're picking the teams. There's about three guys from Cincinnati. I'd take the rest of the Browns' wrong. foster boom. It's a big... This is a must-win game for Cleveland. It sounds ridiculous. It is a must-win game for the Browns. Comes to reaching your health goals. It's about changing habits, changing your mind.

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