The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - The Buccaneers are sending a message

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

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You know what's interesting, J-Mack, of course, alongside is that it feels like 15, 20 years ago. The best off season was baseball. It was called a hot stove league. The problem, of course, is the Yankees separated financially from everybody. And at the time, the Red Sox did, so they'd just go by the best players. Now it feels like the Dodgers, the Astros, the Braves, the Yankees, the Mets, they've separate. So baseball, if there's a great player out there, it feels like there's four or five teams to have a shot.

Then there was the NBA. You know this. So the offseason was often better than the season. Yeah. But the truth is, although we did have sort of a tunnel of mobility, it does feel like a lot of the great players like Janice, they just, Damon Lillard, they want to stay home. The NFL has become the hot stove plus the NBA plus young GMs, star quarterbacks. There's a lot of stuff going on now. Very exciting time, Colin.

Listen, there are some coaching rumors you're going to get to shortly that are kind of stunning to me what's going on around the league. Just stunning. I don't want to talk about the Jets this early in the show. I don't want to get down with this search for the OC. I don't want to talk about that. Okay. This is a guy I trust Rick Stroud, no Rick Well, worked in Tampa. The Bucks have fired Byron Lefowitz, their offensive coordinator.

And five offensive assistants, two on defenses. They're going to get let go. All right. What does that mean? That is Tampa's public plea to Tom Brady to stay in Tampa. So Tampa right now is selling Tom Brady on number one. one, Giselle lives with the kids in Miami. You want to go play for the Niners and Raiders?

3,200 miles away. Miami's keeping two, according to the reports from Adam Schaefter. By the way, Ryan Jensen comes back at center. Tristan Wirf, Shaq Mason, three of our five guys are pro bowlers on the O line. We just had bad injuries. So I was told a week ago from somebody close to Brady that the lack of details on the coaching staff, the offensive coaching staff, drove Brady nuts. too sloppy too often.

So now the Buccaneers go public. Go public. Leak it. This is them saying, Tom, we hear you and we want you back. Remember. Remember this. The AFC now is so deep at quarterback. It's Mahomes.

It's Burrow. It's Lamar. Deshaun Watson's going to be back. Josh Allen. Does Brady really want to go over to the Raiders? Herbert. Tampa now is selling Tom on we have a lot, a lot to offer. We'll clean up the coaching mess.

For the record, in 23 years in the league, it is the first time an offensive coordinator of Tom Brady has been fired. So this is sort of 23 years. This is a first. This is a drastic measure. Brady's also 46 years old. The division is awful. It's virtually guaranteed to be a home field playoff game with a chance if you play well to get a buy.

So there's no guarantees in the AFC. The bucks are in dire need of a running game. You can do that in the draft. You can find great running backs in the fifth, sixth, seventh round. So what Brady basically is now, he's the oldest kid at summer camp and he just needs some new counselors. People who know how to set up the archery range and know where the kayak paddles are. Like he just needs some help with counselors. He'll probably live with Todd Bowles.

But I believe this is, the word is out. They want Tom to see it. We'll fire Lefwich. We'll fire the staff. We'll get you somebody else. Here comes Ryan Jensen, Tristan Werf, Shaq Mason. The O-Line's good. This is a plea to get Tom Brady back.

That is my guest this morning. And I was told a week ago by somebody close to Tom, the coaching there, lack of details, sloppiness drove him nuts. He probably will get first choice on coordinator. All right. Now, the second story, speaking of stars, a report by a Denver reporter that Mike Cliss, Sean Payton was impressed with the Broncos during his interview Monday. I can confirm that.

I went to dinner with Sean. He was. And the Broncos, he is their number one candidate. So let's talk about this. Let's talk about this. There's a lot of things that we know make Denver a good job. First of all, the defense is good. So he didn't have to clean up both sides of the ball.

They got a lot of talent on defense. A lot of talent. Some of it young, they're not even paying yet. So they've drafted well. We know that to be true. That's good. We also know that the Bradley Chubb trade got them a first round pickback, which they may have to give up to the Saints to get Sean

Peyton, but in the building in Denver, that's viewed as a steel. They got a first round pick for Chubb who is no longer productive. So that we know. The defense is good. Also, the number one unit you have to clean up, everybody agrees with offensive line. They have a good left tackle. One guard is okay. They got to go in free agency in the draft and they have it clean it up. The other thing we know that's good. They have a star running back that got hurt. He returns. So you've got a good defense. You have a very clear area you have to clean up. The Chargers cleaned up their O-line in one year.

Free agency and draft, you can clean it up. They have a star running back that returns in excellent weapons on the outside. There's a lot of good to this job. Here's one of the things that isn't being talked about. So Sean Payton came to Fox to do television and he really likes it. And he's really good at it. Have you ever noticed this? with Fox. I'll just use Fox as an example. Look at the people at Fox do in the NFL. Michael

Strayhand. Where did he play? New York Giants, Blue Blood. Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers. Jimmy Johnson coached the Dallas Cowboys. When Troy Aikman was here, Dallas Cowboys, you don't want to go coach in Carolina and disappear. Right? You want to stay prominent. The Denver Broncos, I don't think people out east quite get this. it's a huge brand. After the 49ers, after the 49ers, the most popular NFL team, Denver West, is the Broncos. And if you coach the Broncos, you got Patrick Mahomes, television games, Sunday night football, CBS Primetime, Fox, Thursday night football. You get two games with Mahomes a year and two games with Herbert, and the Raiders still have, despite their lack of success,

a very strong brand domestically. A very strong brand, especially Midwest. West. And so Peyton's not going to disappear. He's going to be in big games. They have a clear issue that everybody agrees with. O-line. They have an excellent defense, and they have accumulated a first-round pick. They'll give back to New Orleans to get Sean. So anytime you take over a business, they've got problems. They've got a clear issue. O-line. Now let's get to the Russell Wilson piece. And this is substantial. is that, and I talk to Sean about this, and some of this I'll convey some I won't. But the reality with Russell Wilson, most people understand the problem with Russell right now.

He's too isolated. He's got, you know, he's got this chiropractor and this throwing coach and his own office. And though it doesn't bother me, there is a sense, and it's well reported and well documented now that Russell's a little isolated from a lot of the young players, young receivers on the team. and they're going to get younger because they're going to have to pay some of these defensive guys in Denver, right? They're good. They're going to have to pay them. So the defense over the next four years is going to be expensive and older. They're going to fix the offense by drafting it.

So this is going to be a very young offense. And Russell's aging as a player. And he's getting a little cringy and lack self-awareness. And they've got to get him out of this isolation tunnel with him and Sierra. They've got to be part of the group. Tom Brady for years and years did this. he, from music to technology, Tom stayed young in the building and connectable and relatable. So they believe in Denver, Sean can fix it.

Sean, I know can fix it. And Russell Wilson has contacted Sean legally, by the way, you know, through channels. He wants Sean Payton. He needs fixing. He knows he needs fixing. So when I look at this situation, it's fairly clear. Great defense. right? Richest owners in the league, both impressed with each other, solve the offensive line,

free agency in the draft, and can Sean fix Russ? I believe the answer is yes. And the thing that's not talked about is that Denver's very attractive because Sean is good at TV, he likes it. So if he coaches for six to seven years and decides to pivot back to football, you're not in Carolina. You disappear. Look who the networks put on every week. They want the Steelers to be good, the Cowboys, the Packers, the Niners. This network is dying for the Bears to be relevant. You know how happy people are at Fox now? We got the Niners, the Cowboys, the Eagles, and the Giants.

Do you know how happy we are at Fox? We had huge concerns this year. And I talked about them on the air. You start and end up with small market teams and teams like your Carolinas that disappear. It's not good for us. We like the Niners. We like Dak and the Cowboys. We like the Eagles.

We like the Giants. So you don't disappear in Denver when you're facing Mahalms. twice a year, the Raiders twice a year, Herbert twice a year. It's a big job. Elway, one of the most popular players in league history there for 15 years. Denver's big. It's a big brand. It's a big job. It's Mahalms. It's Herbert. You're in television games. Very exciting potential. I am rooting for Sean not to take it because I like him on my show. Selfishly, I hope he doesn't go. But the Russell component's interesting. Some of this stuff I'm not going to get into because I don't want to, you know, break any trust here. But it is a solvable piece. Russell has, and this has all been reported

by multiple people, Russ now feels isolated from some of the younger players, and Denver's going to get younger, because this defense, they're not giving up Patrick Zertan. They're not giving up guys like that. They've got four or five guys on defense. They're paying them, and they're giving them long contracts. So the defense is going to be older and more expensive over time, and the offense is going to be young. You've got to relate to the young guys. And right now, Russell's got a little bit of problem. there. That's a little barrier. He's got to, he's got to not beat the mansion all the time with a beautiful wife, the Bentley, you know,

the personal doctors, you got to get out of that space and connect with people. At this point, if they get Sean Payton, the Broncos go in that bucket with the Lions and Steelers as buy offseason teams. The three arrow pointing up with. Well, every year in this league, seven new playoff teams, and there's always a team I picked, this year I think you picked the Jags, I picked the Vikings. as the teams that come closest to doubling their wins. So we were both right.

You were more right. So your team, I think, did double their wins. But both had to do with good coaches, right? You upgraded Minnesota. Doug Peterson's massive upgrade in Jacksonville. Both offensive coaches. So it would have been ridiculous a year ago to say Minnesota is going to win the division going away. They did.

Jacksonville will wait because after Urban, it was a mess. offensive coaches fix the culture immediately. So Denver won, how many games this year? Five, four, five? They had a double-digit win total in Vegas coming into the season. So they won five games. Raise your hand, if you think, getting that running back back, Sean Payton, five becomes ten. Denver is your Jacksonville.

Denver is your Minnesota. That's the easiest. I mean, you and I can go two for two on this. There's a reason. You can see signs. brilliant offensive coach. You've already got some components, a talented quarterback who had a coach that didn't kind of know what he was doing. Be honest.

Urban's a college coach, not a pro coach. Mike Zimmer, defensive coach. Not an offensive coach. It's an offensive league. So this Denver stuff is very interesting. Let's stress, though, they must get this head coaching thing right. Because as you outlined, this Russell Wilson issue, not a fracture, but the issues in that locker room, they could bubble. up even bigger if they don't land a veteran coach like Sean Peyton to smooth things over.

Yeah, I remember when I used to work at the other place. I thought this was fascinating. At ESPN, you were assigned offices on like the fourth and the fifth floor. And it was based on your longevity at the company and your title. And I always thought that's kind of weird. Like the corner office people, that's the best because you get the you get the corner office, the two windows, fourth and fifth floor. You got to look at the trees. It's beautiful. And the reason they do that is because not to create these little skirmishes on who gets the good office. It's based on title. You're the company.

And so you think it's silly that, you know, Russell Wilson's got his own office. Who cares? People care. Like, I wouldn't. But that kind of stuff, you bring your own doctor, you've got your own massage person, you got your corner office. It creates resentment, especially when it's all over the news that you have the biggest house in Denver and you're driving a Bentley and you got this this sport I mean what do we talk about

with Aaron Rogers embrace the young receivers go out with them hang with them golf with them Devonthe Adams left he didn't feel there was a connection so russell's got to he's got to start connecting with his young teammates there you go so sean Peyton likes them according to these journalists and they like Sean I can confirm I can confirm one of those Yeah, he's interested. He likes him. He also likes Fox. He likes me, frankly. He likes coming on the show. That's really. Also, me as well. I think he's a fan of my work. Lives kind of near me. Not quite a three wood from me, but close enough. All right. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. others say it's unleashing human potential.

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divisional playoffs favored by over a field goal. The kid they gave up a bunch of first round picks for, some picks for, Trey Lance posted a cryptic Instagram message immediately after Tennessee hired their general manager from the Niners organizational, ran Carthon. And Trey Lance went to Instagram and he's got his fingers crossed

as if insinuating that Tennessee that could use a more athletic young quarterback would consider going and getting Trey Lance. So this stuff is predictable. Four things have happened in the NFL. In the last decade, more and more rules have been built for offense. What does that mean? Quarterbacks and offensive coaches have become gold bars, incredibly valuable. I mean, look at the AFC.

Shock. Mahomes. Burrow, Allen, Trevor Lawrence, in their prime, you know, top 10 picks. Get used to that for a decade. The third thing is general managers now know to win and keep their job. They've got to get the offensive coach and they've got to get a quarterback. And four people are reaching for guys that really aren't first round quarterbacks. Just in the last few years, Trey Lance, the guy only had a handful of college games.

Zach Wilson, Tiny from BYU. Baker Mayfield was not that athletic and not very big. Number one pick, it's a reach. Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins. A Mitch Trubisky was a complete reach. Daniel Jones at 6. I know everybody loves the Viking performance. It's a reach. Kenny Pickett was viewed as a third round pick when I talked to a Super Bowl winning general manager, late second, early third. He dropped to late first. And I played pretty good at the end of the year. It's not viewed as a first round talent. Sam Darnold, you could argue, although Darnold was athletic and big and wasn't really viewed as a reach, it didn't work. But you're getting a lot of these guys, they're smaller, they're not that athletic, they weren't that great in college, they didn't have, they had scarcity of games. And everybody's reaching on quarterbacks now. The key in this league is admitting when you're wrong and moving off. Philadelphia is the great example. So they took Carson Wentz from an FCS school, big strong kid, but didn't play against great competition.

and they traded up to get him. And then his backup on a Super Bowl. In the locker room, the rumors are people like Nick Foles more than Carson. So then they paid him and then they quickly bailed on him and got Jalen Hertz. And right now the Eagles are the number one seed in the NFC. Why? Because they admit they made a mistake and they moved off it. It's okay.

Trey Lance is good enough to play in this league somewhere. Maybe be a starter. But this offense and this coach, he doesn't fit. it's why the rumors that he wanted Mack Jones, Kyle Shanahan did make sense. They do make sense because Max is a distributor of the football will not run out of the play. And it all makes sense. So they need Chris Paul more than Steph Curry. They don't need a shopmaker at quarterback.

Just get the ball to the right people. And also, if you think of what you gave up, they're all sunken costs. It's already been used. pick's been used. All he got left is that one, well, a first round pick that Denver now has, but you're kind of past it. And the other thing is, Brock Purdy, because he's a seventh round pick, the last guy taken, is free for three more years. So you say, oh, we got burned on Trey Lance. Yes, but you're getting the most value of any NFL team from your other quarterback. Nobody's going to pay less for a quarterback in the National Football League for the next three years

in the San Francisco 49ers. And you're not paying Trey much. You just gave up sunken costs. So just move off. Trey Lance, it's okay. Ship him somewhere. Try to get a third or a fourth round pick. You'll get it. You'll get some draft capital back. The mistake in this league is, as it's become more offensive, quarterbacks are more valuable, there's more reaches and more whiffs and a lot of bad wifts, guys that don't even look close to a first round pick like Zach Wilson. And for most of his career, Baker Mayfield.

You watch Burrow and Mahomes and Allen, you watch Baker. He doesn't look like a first round pick. He's not big enough, not strong enough. Doesn't have any arm. Doesn't have athletic ability. So it's okay. Move on. Sunkin costs. You're getting a freebie out of Brock Purdy.

Who, by the way, is better athletically than the Niners thought. So the whole thing, oh, but we love Trey's athletic ability. Trey's a power runner and a power arm. Not the right fit. It's okay. Got about 15 of these in the last five years. Kind of misses on quarterbacks. It's okay.

Move off it. Get another one. J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, we're going to go right back to the Niners, Colin. Brock Purdy, obviously been playing great since he took over as a starter.

Undefeated so far, looking to keep that street going against Dallas. GM John Lynch was asked about what has impressed him about Purdy. Here's what he's had to say. I think just the poise, the presence of the pressure on that position in this league is, it's a mess. It really is. And I think one thing that we saw from day one, he wasn't going to be phased. I think the area that probably has surprised us, you saw some running ability in college, but I didn't know he's this good athlete.

He's a very good athlete. His ability to move on the field and create and extend, that has been, you know, surprising for us. I can't say that we saw that. I saw a good athlete. I did not see this. And so he's been tremendous for us. This is a really interesting point. So I can see people watching or listening to our show think,

how could you not see how athletic he is? I'm going to give you two other examples. Justin Herbert, his coach, because they didn't have a capable backup at Oregon, wouldn't let him move. Herbert goes to the Rose Bowl, his last college game. Mario Cristobal says, okay, young man, do your thing. I had two GMs that were on the field. They were like, we never saw that Justin Herbert.

CJ Stroud. Yes. Okay. Ohio State didn't have a guy ready that could compete with the big boys. So they protected CJ. They get to the Georgia game and they're like, we can't beat Georgia unless we unleash C.J. Stroud. None of us had seen that C.J. Stroud.

Brock Purdy. Look how bad Iowa State is without him. The program didn't have any quarterback in the building that was nearly as gifted. So they protect him. Some of the offenses get rid of it. distribute. Then he comes to the NFL and says, guys, I'm a really good athlete. C.J. Stroud, Justin Herbert. It needs college programs. If you have a star quarterback, it's very difficult at Oregon to have a star behind him at Iowa State, even at Ohio State.

They don't have a bunch of NFL quarterbacks. And so this is something that's happening more and more where these young quarterbacks are finally eventually allowed to use their athleticism, and it's much greater than all the film shows out of college. And to the point about poise that Lynch talked about, since he became the starter, 14 touchdowns, two picks. And Colin, it's going to come down to turnovers. Dallas led the league in takeaways with 33. They flipped that game against Tampa with the interception in the end zone.

So my question to you, do you think Purdy finally slips up? Because he has not since he's come in. I don't know if he's even at a fumble. No. But I think Kyle Shanahan looks. at those numbers and says what you did, let's not lose the game to Dallas. I think they compress the game plan. They take a little more out of Brock's hands. It's a better pass rush than Seattle. Seattle's got a terrible pass rush. Now Dallas has a very good pass rush.

So Kyle's going to restrict and shrink the game plan, take it out of Purdy's hands slightly because Seattle's a bad defense. Dallas is a great defense. Do you remember what happened in the playoff game last year? Apollo struggled. His interception opened the door. But the run game was dominant. They had like 169 yards on the ground. They were leading that game 23-7. Colin, I talked about it on my podcast today. Dallas had 184 yards with 10 minutes left in that playoff game. At home against San Fran. Do we think it's going to be different all of a sudden? Or is pretty going to make a mistake like Carapolo and open the game? I think San Francisco views this. They're the better team they're at home. We just can't lose the game. be pretty with mistakes. So I think that's where the number comes from in Vegas. It's going to be a

lower scoring game. San Francisco will clearly feel like the better team, but it ends up 2420-ish. They're not... Where you lose this game if you're the Niners is Brock running around. You're not going to lose this game on personnel. How about this? Do you remember Gardner Minshu when he went into Dallas like five weeks ago? They were dominating that game up and down the field, and then they had three turnovers. Unlucky handoff, Minchew over the middle. As long as pretty doesn't do that. I think the Niners are the side. I finally bet this game last night at three and a half. Some of the other books, I know

we see three and a half on the screen have had four in Vegas. So I think we're headed to four. Next up, Cincinnati Bengals Colin, your guy, Joe Burrow, going into the divisional round matchup against the Bills as an underdog, Buffalo. According to Fox bet, it's at five and a half. Okay, that's going up. Remember,

three and a half, four earlier this week. But Joe Burrow does not think his team is at a disadvantage. After practice yesterday, said he never feels like an underdog. Colin, the Bengals, last two seasons as they rode underdog, 16 and four against the spread with Joe Burrow. Yeah. If Cincinnati's offensive line was intact, I think they'd blow out Buffalo in Buffalo. Blow out. I think they'd dominate the game. I think they're the only team that matches up player to player with Kansas City. So why is this number going up to five?

Because the O lines amiss, and it's literally changed every. Mahomes got blown out in a Super Bowl when he missed both tackles. You can only do so much. That was against a Tampa team with a nasty defensive front. Well, Buffalo's defensive front. Is it nasty? Well, their linebackers are great. They've got a pretty good edge presence. My takeaway is that's why I kept saying all week.

If Kappa played, and I'm missing two starters, one interior line, one tackle, I feel like Cincinnati could pull it out. You're missing three. It's probably a Buffalo game. I don't want to go over the top here, but Colin, you just said the Bengals would blow out Buffalo. Do you think there's pressure on McDermott in this game? Absolutely. Okay. That's an underplayed story in this one.

McDermott, a defensive guru, you better show up against the line missing three starters. Yeah. And the other thing is Cincinnati's been to a Super Bowl and Kansas said he's been to it and won. We're all waiting for Buffalo to move to the next level. So what happens? The pressure's on Buffalo all week. So what happens when a defensive coach sees his quarterback making a lot of mistakes? He starts to what?

Hey, we got to rein in the offense. And Dorsey, I know you're interviewing out there. Got to dial back the offense. I don't know, Colin. I like Cincinnati. I like Cincinnati. I like Cincinnati. The point.

Lou Amaruno, I believe, is the defensive coordinator. Yep. Second half, he's been lights out. He confused Mahomes in that AFC championship. He would rush three, drop eight. You think I'm crazy to say this. If Cincinnati was healthy offensive line, they'd have the better O' line.

They'd have the better quarterback. They'd have the more consistent run game. I think they have a better pass game with Higgins, Boyd, Chase. By the way, Davis is kind of hit and miss. I like him, but he disappears. Gabriel David? Yeah.

He kind of vanishes. Now, the Bengals secondary is a bit of a concern. The weakness of the team. Was it Eli Apple that got torched by Demarcus Robinson? He would even make the Bengals starting lineup. So I think we're in lockstep here. Picks coming tomorrow, right? Four.

My blazing five's done for the year. Yes. So we hit 55 percent, but I'm going to do a blazing four tomorrow. Blazing four. I feel good about it. I like my sides. I already got my picks. All the games you pick?

Yep, like them all. Last week, I was very nervous. I switched one in the last hour. And that hit, Jags? Yeah. Mike Williams, I thought you were crazy for that. But let's go to the final story, and I wanted to chew up a lot of time so we can buzz through this one quickly. Because it just annoys a hell out of me.

The Jets are looking for a new offensive coordinator. Former Broncos head coach Nathaniel Hackett is a candidate. How you feel about that? The Jets reportedly met with him on Wednesday. Hackett and Sala were both assistants with the Jags in 2015 and 2016. How do you feel about that? for being completely honest. Yeah.

I think Sala's doing his guy a favor. Hackett is, I mean, nobody's touching this guy. So he's throwing him a bone and say, oh, let's bring in Hackett for an interview. Let's make it look like, hey, this guy's not totally toast in the league. Let's do him a solid. They're not going to hire him. Hell no. If they do.

What? I mean, what are we doing a quarterback? You think anybody's going to want to come? Jimmy Garapolo, Derek Hart, you think they're coming to work with Nathaniel Hackett, who may have just ruined Russell Wilson? No way. Hey, we need to salvage Zach Wilson. Let's bring on Hackett.

Yeah, that guy called a great offense in Denver. Listen, I'm too fired up. I got to rein it in. So, what is it, Frank Reich or Nathaniel Hackett, Colin? What do we? Oh, I love Frank Reich. I love Frank. This is a guy doing a buddy of favor.

Yeah, it happens all the time. Yeah. We know people in the media industry down on their luck. You do it solid. You do it's a nice move. Yeah. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

Thanks for studying. You know what I love. The herd lie news. Joy was such an irrational Miami Heat fan that was hysterical for me to watch. And you are so crazy. Happy birthday of Joy two days ago. Same birthday as my wife. And I didn't sit on the air.

Such a jerk. And then, but I called. And then I called Joy, I'm sorry. And then you are such an irrational Jets fan. Not that I'm cynical, but I've been doing this so long. It's all produce to me. People come up to me all the time. Grocery store.

Who's your favorite team? like the one with the most drama. I don't care. Just give me drama and tire fires. I don't care. Give me a tire fire on the 405. Anything that gets attention is fun. It's good for revenue rating. I don't care. But I do love, I do miss loving something as much as Joy loves the heat and you love the Jets. I am a little jealous of that. Now, I've got a little bit of that with USC football. A little bit. But like the two lane loss didn't affect me. And so it's like, I'm not you. Like you are literally the weekend is ruined. No, that is not true.

Oh, you are nuts. Listen, there are some mornings when I come in excited about, Jets are going to make the hurt hierarchy, and you snub them like you did all. But it bothers you. When they poop their pants against Seattle, yeah, it bothered me. But, you know, I had some money on the game, whatever. But I'm not irrational.

Listen, I've got too much going on in my life. I got a rec league basketball team. We just took down the defending champs. I know. We're better than the Jets, bottom line. I get excited about a lot of stuff coaching my kids in sports. It's a compliment is never give that up because I used to work. I didn't work with Mike Greenberg, but he was at ESPN. He was a Jets fan and he was literally inconsolable after they lost.

And he has a great family and a kid. It's okay. I miss that part of it where I don't have a team that I'm literally throwing a shoe at the television. And I think it's a great quality that you should never give up. So never change. I thought that was like a big, like, that's a shot at somebody. Hey, never change, buddy. You got to change.

You got to adapt. Everybody should have 3% of irrational with their sports. So what's your 3% of irrational? It's the USC. But I know Chip Kelly well and like him. So, I mean, I don't want to, I don't root against anybody. When Lincoln, Riley goes to the Jets in three years. I will be furious.

Why would you give your career that ownership mess? He's not going to the Jets. That's not happening. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Polly Fusco here with Tony Fusco. Yo. As you all know, we're the host of the number one rated show in all of sports talk,

the Polly and Tony Fusco show. Numero Uno. Yeah, and we know why millions of people tune in every week. Yeah. They want to hear us talk sports, not our idiot guests who think they know more about sports than we don't. Yeah, listen to these dummies. You don't know crap about sports. Nothing.

You don't know nothing about football. This is the worst thing I've ever been to put. Off the shop! You don't know basketball. If you want to hear how sports talk should be done, yeah. Listen to the Polly and Tony Fusco show on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days I'd put on 10 pounds, I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.

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So we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a gas. galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tontons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The NFC Divisional Playoffs presented by Intuit TurboTax. They're on Fox starting on Saturday.

Jalen Hertz leads the Eagles against the rival giants at 7.30 Eastern. Then on Sunday, Dak and the Cowboys. is renew a classic playoff rivalry against the Niners at 6th Eastern All on Fox and the Fox Sports app. Oh, you hear that music. That's Fox. That's big ratings. Niners, Cowboys, Giants, Eagles.

Those sound big. Decent lineup, yeah. I was looking at the NBA Western Conference standings. It's Memphis, Denver, Sacramento. Sacramento, baby. None of those sound big. They're talented. They don't sound big. De Aaron Fox, Kegan Murray? Come on, get with it.

Sacramento first round against Memphis. Nobody wants to see. Nobody's watching. Okay, fair enough. And they're both good teams. So this is interesting. So apparently, I don't follow it, but there's some website that tracks how often I talk Packers and negatively about Aaron Rogers. So this is day 39 in a row.

So Aaron had a quote on a YouTube show with Pat McAfee. This is classic. I don't know if I want to come back. You know, it's about the guys that I rely on, like Mercedes-Louis. By the way, friend of the show, nobody throws shade at Mercedes-Lewis on this show. He goes, I want to still play with Randall Cobbs of the world. Alan Lazard, Bobby Tonion, David Boktiari. Yet, the problem is, that's half of your offense,

and your offense was 24th in the red zone and 17th in scoring. your offense is weak and outside of Bakhtiari, those are not considered elite players. But they are like unrestricted free agents, meaning somebody could get an offer outside of the building and you'd have to overpay for Alan Lazard. So Aaron's becoming LeBron without, you know, the titles. There's a reason a movie studio gives a multitude of concessions to Tom Cruise. He wants this, this, this, because Top Gun made $1.4 billion. There is a reason that even the great Pat Riley gave concessions to LeBron James. They got the four straight finals won too.

Concessions are for the greats of the great. A movie studio gives you, you know, they give you a car points on the back end. You're Tom Cruise, the last remaining true superstar movie star. Maybe Hank's get it. Maybe Denzel gets it. Ryan Gosling. Not a lot. but you get something for the concession.

The Green Bay offense was the third most dynamic in their own division. What am I getting for the concessions? Okay. Where's the payoff? This is why I'd move to Jordan Love. I've said this. You can finish second or third in a division with Jordan Love. And I can get draft capital.

So remember years ago, Aaron was really, really upset when Green Bay let go of Jake Cumero at wide receiver. Oh, Aaron threw a tizzy thing. That guy's got seven catches in three years. Aaron doesn't know personnel. Aaron should stay out of personnel. It's not Green Bay's job to make Aaron comfortable. He's become like, he's become meet the parents, old and crusty and doesn't let anybody in his circle of trust.

He's telling the Packers, you've got to keep this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, meaning you'll probably have to overpay for him. meaning they're half the offense and outside of Boktiari, they're not elite. And I love Mercedes-Lewis as a blocking tied-in. I like Alan Lazzard as a four, maybe a three. But Aaron wants these concessions and my takeaway is, what do I get for it? You're 24th in the red zone. That's with Aaron Jones, with a powerback, with the fourth highest rated O line. You're 24th in the red zone.

Dallas is one. You're 17th in scoring. What do I get for the concessions? It's crazy town. So yesterday I was reading something. I thought it was interesting on the inner web. And we were talking about this. Ryan Glass-Spegel is a media critic for the New York Post. He's very active on Twitter, very relatable guy. And he brought up the point, and I didn't see what the result was, but it's an interesting question.

Would you rather have this morning Aaron's career or Eli Manning's? Now, my immediate reaction is baseball's about stats, basketball's about. Flair. Football is about winning championships. So I'd rather have Eli Manning's career. He's got two Super Bowls over Brady and Belichick. Two of the most iconic throws ever. Mario Manningham and David Tyree.

No, he's a 500 quarterback. But there's a lot of guys that have won a singular Super Bowl. Trenton Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Bob Greasy when I was a kid. There's a lot of guys that have won Super Bowls. They're not great. You get to two Super Bowls, Peyton, Brady, Montana. Ben, Stobach, Eli Manning. I'm sure I missed somebody.

Farve's got one. Elway. I think Elway's got two. The class of two Super Bowls, that is a, that is the ultimate VIP club in the most important position in America's most popular sport is the two plus Super Bowl club. Aaron's not close to one. He's got one.

He's not even close to two. And now he's demanding, I want my C plus tight end, my number three receiver, my number four receiver, my blocking tight end. I got to have those guys back. What do I get for the concessions? Because I'll tell you right now, offensively, you're not as good as Minnesota or Detroit next year.

And Detroit's got, I think, two first and two seconds and a better O line going forward, inexpensive and great. So it's not a shot at Aaron. but if you want, and I get concessions. Tom Cruise gets them. LeBron in his prime gets them. There's no question. I would give Janus concessions right now.

There's about three guys in every, my homes, I'll make concessions. You know, Joe Burrow and Allen, very close to a lot of concessions. I'm willing to do that. Tom Cruise, Denzel, Gosling, you know, whoever, whoever's moving the needle. I get it. You're 24th in the red zone.

your offense is third best in your division. You're 17th in scoring. What am I getting? That's why, by the way, the Lakers won't give up picks to get LeBron help. Their takeaway is, okay, your body now does not give us 82 games a year. You're having a stupendous season, but are we going to give up our future when you may not be part of it because of your age? We're going to need those picks because in three years you're gone. We're not going to give up all those picks.

if LeBron was nine years younger, you give up those draft picks today for the Lakers. But the Lakers are saying, we're not good now. You're going to leave in three years. How do we build for later? We need draft capital. And even if you trade those picks and got a couple of guys, Lakers aren't. I mean, in a half-court playoff setting, Westbrook's a complete liability. He has a half-court player.

AD can't stay healthy. And the truth is LeBron's playing out of his mind. But there's a chance he'll miss games by the end of the season because he has the last three years. He's an older player. Okay, can I bring up a point against Eli Manning? So Aaron's in his late 30s. You know what Eli was doing in his late 30s? I have no idea.

Absolutely nothing. When he was 36, they went 3 and 12. When he was 37, 5 and 11. When he was 38, he got pulled after a few games or injured, whatever. Played four games when he was 38 years old. Aaron Rogers got an MVP award last year in his late 30s. Aaron Rogers had a better career unequivocally than Eli Manning. It's not a better career.

What would you want? I want to be in the two rings club. There's like seven, eight guys in the history of the sport. A lot of guys have won a Super Bowl. Okay, so let me take it a step further. Eli Manning or Dan Marino, who has no rings. Eli Manning. Is that a difficult one?

Hour two next. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Dave. and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes,

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