The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - The Chiefs lost by they are still the better team, never a dull moment for the Dodgers, Bill Belichick isn't working out well for UNC

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

Colin Cowherd breaks down why the Kansas City Chiefs Week 5 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars isn't as concerning as it looks — and why he's still confident in their Super Bowl chances Game 2 of the NLDS showed us how the Dodgers could possibly win or lose the World Series It is a complete disaster for North Carolina and Bill BelichickSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're in L.A. It's the herd wherever you may be. And however, you may be listening or watching, Thanks for choosing whatever platform you're on. J-MAC, part of what we do, part of what a lot of people do, is being able to see the truth before the truth comes out. You know, you want to buy a stock? You don't want to buy it when it's gone up.

You want to buy it right before. And so I start my show today as the Jags beat the Kansas City Chiefs last night. And I'm going to give you all a heads up. In one hour from now, I am not putting the Jags, 4-1 Jags, in the herd hierarchy. And I'm putting Kansas City in it. Jacksonville's a ridiculous winning team. I told the staff this morning, the Jaguars are a David Lynch film. Even the ones I like make me uncomfortable.

They're just ridiculous. I mean, Kansas City averaged 7.6 yards of play. Before last night, a team that averaged 7.5 yards of play had won 33 straight games. I don't care what the final outcome was. Yards, yards per play, first down, rushing, red zone. Kansas City's a better team. Patrick Mahomes did not see Devin Lloyd on a pick six. He didn't see him.

Tom Brady had pick sixes. One in a Super Bowl. It happens. He did not see him. And the Jags deserve credit. Lloyd's a very good player right now. I mean, they leave the NFL at interceptions. I don't think it's sustainable, but that's a great play.

but I was impressed with a team that lost Kansas City keep your eyes open for Breschard Smith, that late round receiver kid from Miami, number 24, keep your eye on him. Mahomes hit eight different receivers. Mahomes athletically, in the best shape he's been in, he looked great. I'm telling you, Kansas City's coming,

and they're coming fast. And the Jaguars, I mean, they're ridiculous. They get to the one-yard line and they fumble. And then later, the final play of the game, a guy I love, Trevor Lawrence has fallen all over the place, tripping over his left guard. This is not sustainable. It's nonsense. I mean, they lead the NFL in takeaways. A linebacker leads the NFL in interceptions, not sustainable.

Brian Thomas, wide receiver, I don't know what's going on there. He's in a weird slump. Their head coach twice has had to apologize. They don't feel buttoned up, but they've got talent. I'm rooting for Travis Hunter too. I've always loved Trevor Lawrence. I feel like he's the indie band. I knew him before you knew him.

I saw him in high school and loved him. I still love him. He turns the ball over too much. But I look at Kansas City, and they made a lot of young guy mistakes, and this is what happens when you pay Chris Jones a ton, and Ma'am's a ton, and you pay Travis Kelsey a ton.

You get top-heavy, and you have to have inexpensive labor, and they had 13 penalties. I think they had five special teams penalties. They're a very young team. Andy Reid is going to coach those mistakes out of them. Jacksonville doesn't make mistakes. Falling down on the final winning play, that's just Jacksonville. Fumbling the ball at the one, that's just Jacksonville.

So I think you can coach out the 13 penalties are most of them. I think Kansas City's good and getting better. Now, they're losing one-score games. Last year they were 11 and 0 and 1 score games. But this year, they're a little younger in spots, and they're making mistakes. And, I mean, the final play of the game, they had Trevor Lawrence trapped, jags out of timeouts, and they couldn't make the play. But they averaged 7.6 yards of play, had almost 500 yards. They had a bad pick six from Mahomes.

So congrats to Duvall. I love Trevor Lawrence. I thought his throw to Brian Thomas up the right sideline on that final drive. was one of the best throws of the year in the NFL. He's always had talent. Fumbles too much, makes too many mistakes, but he's a great kid. I've met him a couple times.

I'll always root for him. But this morning, I feel Kansas City's a better team, and I don't care what the score was. My herd hierarchy is not standings. I can't put Jacksonville in. But here is Trevor Lawrence after. I just panic, sheer panic on the ground, trying to, we didn't have any timeouts.

Got stepped on coming out. I was like, I got to get up, and I was just going to throw it out of balance to stop the clock, and then there was really no one around me. So, went and made a play. Yeah, I mean, again, the best team doesn't always win. And I also think there are things that are sustainable. I mean, you can win Powerball. That's not sustainable.

Or you can invest in the market, pay off your house, live below your means. That's sustainable. Jacksonville's a wild, crazy David Lynch film. Blue Velvet, whatever. I don't care. Pick your favorite. But I'm watching it and I'm like, yeah, I don't trust this team. I trust Kansas City.

They had a bad pick, six, and lost. But I trust them. And they're getting better. And that wide receiver group, would they get Rishi Rice back? Watch out. They're still not running the ball well enough, but watch out. Okay, if you didn't watch any Dodger game, especially a Dodger playoff game, You'd never seen them play.

Last night was the perfect example of why they may or may not win the World Series. It was all the brilliance and athleticism and pitching and timely hitting, all these great players and a god-awful bullpen that almost lost in the game. It was the perfect Dodger game as they beat the Phillies again on the road. Now they got three games to win one. Let's start with Blake Snell. he was great six innings gave up only one hit nine strikeouts a little wild but bryce harper's a lefty you know Kyle Schwerber's a lefty hey you got to get these guys out it was an advantage and you had to take advantage of it snow was great struck out Bryce Harper got him on a two on one out in the

six inning and got him out huge huge crisis management for blake snow so let's start with there great pitching and this is what the doctor Dodgers need. They need great starting pitching. They got to push it late. They got to get to the 6th. They got to get to the 7th because you don't trust the bullpen. And then later in the 6th inning, Miguel Rojas, who's been around forever, shortstop, third base, makes a great defensive play for the Dodgers. They had several great defensive plays. He races to the bag. It is a huge play with a couple of runners on in the 6. It gets him out of the inning. So you saw Blake Snell, great pitching. Tremendous defense. Then we go to the top of the seventh. And the Dodgers, timely hitting. We've said before, they've got to hit with runners in scoring position. They've got to get leads in games. Not one run or two.

They need three and four run innings. Will Smith, a couple of RBIs there. Otani follows, drives in another run. And here you go. Dodgers now lead four nothing. Yeah, a 1-0-0-0 lead, not good enough. So now, and as we discuss, their bullpen in the playoffs has a 9-ERA, So they're giving up a run per inning.

So now they've got a lead, and it's the classic Dodgers. You've seen great defense. You've seen starting pitching. You've seen timely hitting. Here comes Blake Trinan. Well-traveled. Old dude. Uh-oh.

4-1 lead. Three hits. Three batters. Suddenly it's four to three, and there's still nobody out. This is a classic Dodger game, a white knuckler. So you see all the greatness, and then they go to the bullpen. Shocker. They can't close the door.

But then they have another great defensive play. It's called the wheel play. They hadn't practiced. It's usually a spring training play. And the Dodgers, Muncie to Mookiee, pull it off at third base. That could have been the game. Probably was the game. So you've seen starting pitching.

You've seen great defense, timely hitting, more great defense. And that's what it took. They needed three pitchers to get through the ninth inning. It was a classic Dodge. your game, even the final out of the game. You are holding your breath. The Dodgers are a flawed team, but unlike the Yankees, they're not

uneven. They can play small ball. They can play great defense. They can run the bases. They can hit for power. They have great starting pitching. They're not the Yankees. The Yankees depend too much on the home run. They strike out too much. They don't do small ball. And I don't love their bullpen.

The Dodgers are flawed, but they're not uneven. They can win a multitude of ways, and last night was perfect. You saw all of the ways. Timely hitting, singles, not home runs, starting pitching, great defense,

the wheel play, and here's Dave Roberts after. Those guys executed it to perfection. It was a lot tougher. They made it look a lot easier than it was. And for me, that was our only chance really to win that game in that moment. Again, if you'd never

watch the Dodger game, that was the one to because it perfectly encapsulated what they are. Brilliant. The deepest roster, the best roster. And I know you're thinking for all that money you shouldn't have flaws. No, they were on display. They are.

I mean, the Dodger team could end up winning the World Series and have more games where their fans literally lost sleep as they win over 100 games if you count the playoffs. well over 100 games potentially. So it was a great night of sports. Cubs are in big trouble. Milwaukee and the Dodgers. I pick Milwaukee to win the World Series.

It looks like right now you're going to get a Milwaukee and Dodger NLCS. And again, the Dodgers have more stars, but Milwaukee's got the better bullpen. Milwaukee's got some young star players. Milwaukee's a team without a flaw. I mean, Milwaukee last year, everybody thought they had the best GM

and the best manager in baseball, and the Mets stole one of them, the Cubs stole another one, and then they replaced them, have it missed a beat. So Milwaukee's just a really well-owned, smartly run, brilliantly managed baseball team that may not have the star power outside of Milwaukee, but they don't do anything poorly, so that could potentially be a great series.

J-Mack, Heard hierarchy one hour from now. Nick Wright stops by A-Rod's on the show today as well. You really said Jacksonville's not in the herd hierarchy. Interesting. You take down the Niners and the Chiefs. I have them at 11. And they're not worthy. Are the Chiefs in the top 10?

Yep. Oh, dear. Oh, Mike. You know, I wore black today. It's kind of navy bluish because I want to celebrate the Chief's funeral season over. If you look at the schedule, con, I'm not even kidding. Lions this week, that Lions team is good. I think you like them a lot.

And looking forward, they still got to play the Broncos twice. Chargers is in December when they're going to be healthy with Hampton back and Hallback. Once again, okay, let me mention a few other games. Raiders. Okay, that's a win. Bill's can't defend the run or the back end. They're going into Buffalo and beating Josh Allen. Okay. Dallas, Houston, beat up chargers, Titans, Raiders again.

But did Dallas just tied Green Bay who was like number two in your herd hierarchy? I'll give you the two wins over the Raiders. I'll give you Tennessee. Find me more wins. The Colts is, that's not going to be easy. Colts are very good. I'm just telling you, this schedule looks like eight and nine for the Chiefs. I don't see playoffs.

I know, I know you think that they're going to, oh, they're going to, Rishie Rice. I mean, is he Jerry Rice? Is Jerry Rice, Prime Jerry Rice joining the Chiefs? I saw a great football team with a bad pick six. It happens. I mean, if they score there, keep that same energy when Brock Purdy throws a pick six next week. He's not moans.

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I mean, the league wants them to win. Yeah, the league really roots for small market Kansas City to dominate. Yeah, yeah, sure. Second possession of the game, touchdown Mahomes at Travis Kelsey, flag thrown. And on this play, everybody's yell, it's a pick. But Mahomes knew the rules, because Andy Reid knows the rules. And Mahomes was right.

He didn't talk the ref out of it. He said, hey, it's past interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage. Has to be more than one yard. Ball was at the two? Juju contacted the defender at the one. Kansas City was right. Because Andy Reid knows the rules. Kobe Bryant spent his off-season every year rereading the rule book.

Sean Payton knows the rules. Remember when San Francisco and Kansas City met in Super Bowl 58, and San Francisco players did not know the overtime rules? Kansas City did, because Andy Reid's stickler for that stuff. And that is constantly in Patrick Mahomes' ear. The one thing you have to say about Kansas City, they were four from five in the red zone last night. They're the best circumstance, situational offense.

I think the Mahomes offense, the best ever. Now, you could say Brady was with Edelman and Gronk, but you add, you know, you also add the mobility of Patrick Mahomes. To me, Andy Reed, Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, it's the best situational third and fourth down team. I don't want to hear about the Eagles. They got a push push. I'm talking third and five, third and six, red zone. This is what Kansas City does.

And there are certain coaches that just know the rulebook. So this is not about, I know all you grifters online are freaking out, just like you were with every warrior's call they got in the finals. But this is what they do. They were right. The players knew they were right. And by the way, Andy Reed, I can guarantee you when he created this play. I bet he'll text me.

I guarantee you they talked about this. I'm going to text him today. I'm going to say, Andy, I want you to text me. I'll text first. I guarantee you when they drew up this play, he said, listen, they may call a flag on this play. But it's not illegal. It is not illegal. So, you know, you go ahead.

I know the league. I always laugh at all these dynasties. Like everybody is rooting for Green Bay in the league office to be good every year. The smallest North American market or Kansas City. Or they were rooting for New England and their crusty coach, Bill Belichick, that hated the media and refused to do like national interviews. I can assure you, the Warriors were not the team that David Stern and Adam Silver were rooting for before the dynasty. Steve Kerr's smart, Steph Curry's amazing,

Draymond Green's a Hall of Famer. So they know the rules. And that's why they win. That's why they win so many close games. That's why they're so good on this stuff. I mean, I watched Kansas City in these situational moments. By the way, you saw it with Denver,

Jay Mack, you saw it with Denver against the Eagles when they went for the two-point conversion. And Sean Payton came out, he goes, oh, I love that play. And we worked out on it perfectly. That's why because it, the last three or four wins,

weeks. They've done it 40 times at practice. So I know folks, you think in the stands on your couch, you got it all figured out. That's what these teams do. 75% of the Chiefs practice is on plays like this. They're not practicing between the 40-yard line stuff. They're practicing situational, third-down football, and Andy Reid's arguably the best that's ever done it in the history of the league. You know what's tough about this is the broadcast brought on the rules officiator guy, and he's said it would have been a good offensive pass interference. I think that's probably what led to the online tsunami of, oh, the chiefs

get all the calls. I was a little confused, right? Oh, confusion is fun. The guy came on and he was like, yeah, that's a penalty. Some of these rules analysts, thank God we've had Mike Pereira. I'll just say that. We've had real good ones at Fox. They're not all equal. Just

like all quarterbacks and coaches aren't equal. All rules analysts on networks are not equal. J-Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's get started with last night's Brewers game. Oh, my gosh. How about that?

The Brewers had played 55 postseason games in franchise history and had never homered with multiple runners on base in any of them. Then they hit two, three-run homers in the span of four innings, one from Andrew Vaughan, who had in homered since August 15th, and Jackson Trurio, who was a complete stud. Yeah. This is great. this is good for baseball.

I mean, I know everybody loves the Cubs, but I'll tell you this, Milwaukee is, it reminds me years and years ago when the raise down in Tampa before the Dodgers stole their GM, Andrew Friedman, the raise were good every year,

and you're like, they have no money. They literally have no fans and no money. Milwaukee's got fans and money. So Milwaukee's like a better capitalized version of Tampa where they scout better, they develop better, they've got a pipeline of really smart, managers in their minor league system.

Milwaukee is a, you know, you think about this all the time. Think of how good, how well run the Packers are. And now how well run the Brewers are. So it just, yet the New York football teams are sad, sack, pathetic hazmat spills. So everybody gets, they're afraid of all this. Oh, my God. Milwaukee does sports well. Well, the bucks are about to lose you on us.

But nevertheless, you're right, you're right. They've been a winning playoff team. Right now New York sports is gross. everything in Wisconsin. Well, the Badgers also. Well, but the Badgers right now, I mean, they've never gotten their quarterback right. But the NIL has not helped Wisconsin football. It's, and that's kind of a cultural change that they're going to have to figure out.

Badger fans, I agree with Barry Alvarez, are a little spoiled. They've been so good for so long since he got there. But it's just Milwaukee is a team without a flaw. They don't have the Dodgers Star Power bullpen, staff, power hitting, average, singles. I think they and the Jades, they may have led the National League in singles. They do everything well. Can the Cubs come back and make this interesting? I mean, Milwaukee's got to win one more game.

Do you think Milwaukee's going to go in a three-game losing streak? Great teams don't. I hope so. Go Cubs. Next up, Colin, not great news. Bill's wide receiver, Keon Coleman, who's emerging is like maybe a number one with him? Interestingly, he was absent for the Bill's first drive Sunday night against the Patriots. Everybody's wondering, where's Keon Coleman?

Bill's coach, Sean McDermott was asked about it Monday. and here's what he said about his young pass catcher. Growth, maturation, that leads to consistency more than anything. And like anything else, you have winning habits, it leads to winning on the field. And so that's really what we're trying to create. And that's what we're here to do is help young men in this case grow and mature and develop and become professionals. Shocker, wide receiver, maturity issues. Not good.

We saw Jordan Addison in Minnesota was benched for hanging out with a rapper in London after our... I mean, was that the cra... I mean, it's amazing to me that you would talk yourself into that, knowing... I mean, it's like the golden rule for any organization. When you go on the road, it's like the two times people get in trouble companies are you go on the road or a Christmas party. You got to know that going in. Button it up. And so it's just like, come on, man.

Jordan Addison, come on, bro, you're smarter than that. And then this is probably another, you know, a young guy making a mistake. Well, Kiann Coleman, this guy was a big time athlete. He was at Michigan State basketball and football briefly. They need him, Colin. Because that was even court. Kincaid's awesome. Shakir's a good slot guy.

Well, they can't. They need Keon Coleman. The bills can't defend the run. What does that mean? So there are going to be stretches where Josh Allen watches. I mean, like a bad matchup for Buffalo. would be Detroit. Detroit's a bad matchup because Josh Allen would sit and watch the game on the bench.

So they have to score some easy points, okay? Because you start looking at the way Buffalo's constructed. They need that pop player. I mean, just like New England Stefan Diggs. You need these pop players because not every, you can't win Super Bowls where everything is a 27 play drive. Like last night, Kansas City, because they don't have Rishie Rice yet. And it's an emerging, growing receiving court. Kansas said he had long, long, several long drives.

At some point, Worthy and Rishie Rice will give you four play touchdown drives. Like right now, that's the thing with Philadelphia. It's like they're a run team, but you've got to get A.J. Brown. He's got to give you a freebie every weekend. They can't get him the ball deep. Yeah, this bill's run defense, major leaky. Ravens ran all over them. We know the Chargers are going to have a good run game.

Broncos have a good run game. all of a sudden, I don't know that the, I don't feel as confident as I did about the bills coming out of the AFC. No, either do I. Do you have a leader at this point? Is it Buffalo? I'm just going to tell you, I don't know who's going to win the AFC. You do not want to play the Colts. Colts are going to win their division. You do not want to play the Colts.

I think giving choices, I would rather face Daniel Jones anywhere, indie, whatever, than I would rather face Josh Allen in the playoffs. Okay, that's obvious. Right. Josh Allen's going to make things happen, bro. Final story, listen, I don't want to get too negative here, Colin, but isolate number 95, Chris Jones on your screen. This was the game deciding play. Look at Chris Jones.

He's not even running. I mean, he's just loafing. Chris Jones not even making any of an effort. Trevor Lawrence fell down twice on this play. Jones couldn't sniff him. You see the rest of his defense. After the, there's multiple angles on this. The rest of the defense is gas.

They're on one knee. Oh, my gosh, I'm tired. Chris Jones is just like walking around. Now, he was asked about it after the game. Here's what he said. I've done multiple times we had him. We just got to finish. We got to finish.

We have multiple guys there that we just got to finish that play. It was a fluke play for him to be able to break that many tackles. But, yeah, I put it on us as a defense. We got to finish. You know, we got to bring him down on that. What? It should be noted on that last drive. He almost.

created three or four disruptions. So Chris Jones was very good, and he forced Trevor Lawrence to run on the outside on a big play. I think he thought he was down and stopped. And then he got up and he thought, oh, I can't catch him. I'm not trying to defend Chris Jones, but Chris Jones had had a good final drive until that play. I don't like hearing we, we, we had multiple guys there.

How about I? I didn't make a play. Now remember, week one, do you remember the game against the Chargers? Justin Herbert on that bootleg and he didn't contain and Drew Tranquo got in his face and they were kind of squabbling. I'm just, listen,

Chris Jones is obviously a Hall of Fame player he's got the credentials. Something's going on this season. He does not seem locked in. Colin, if they lose to the Lions, this is going to go sideways for Kansas City at two and four with some holes in the defense where she rice ain't saving the day.

He's not put on a Superman cape and getting Chris Jones into shape. Look at that. He's walking. Can you imagine me half? fassing a segment like that, you'd be like, come on. That is unacceptable. Andy Reid has to show that Spagnolo to the whole defense, Colin.

That is not good, man. Show that to Nick Wright. I'm curious what he thinks. No, no, we'll ask him about that. Mr. Kansas City. Yeah, you go ahead and sell all your chief stock. I don't even own any. I'll buy all of it.

You could have all of it. All of it. It's all yours. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. You know, there's the old cliche.

that you want to treat people well as you're moving up the food chain in life because you'll be coming down that food chain and people will remember. And the stories now are emerging, multiple sources, multiple stories, multiple leaks at Carolina, that Bill Belichick and Mike Lombardi, it is a disaster. Parents hate them, administrators can't stand them, and this is what happens when you lose. People keep quiet when you're winning because nobody wants. to hear it and you'll get called out. But when you're

losing, the truth comes out. And I said this for years, Belichick, when he was in Cleveland. He didn't treat people well. In New England. He didn't even treat Brady well. And now, think about how successful he was in New England. A couple bad seasons.

Robert Kraft is like, out of here. Would you really do that if he had a warm spot in your heart form? But he's been so curt and so bottom line and so dismissive for so long that the minute New England went sideways, the minute Carolina goes sideways, and I said this, Belichick and Mike Lombardi, it's a friends and family staff, they're NFL guys, they're not college guys. College football is about pageantry and bands and Lee Corso for years putting on a

silly mascot helmet. If you watch the college football pregame show at that network or our network, it's stunts and fun and laughing and it's great. It's not the NFL. The NFL is business. It's cutting guys after a bad game. It's hard. And Belichick is hard. And Lombardi's his guy. He's hard. And that's why I said, I don't know how this thing's going to go, but they're NFL guys. And there's a lot of sons on the staff. And they're the well-compensated ones, at least in Belichick's case. And it's going to create animosity. And now there are stories out now that when you're dismissive and you're gruff and you're cranky and, On the way up, people got a member on the way down, and they've had no on the way up at Carolina. So, I mean, Drew Bledsoe, what was on our show yesterday, just I asked him, are you surprised how bad it's been? And Bill is obviously brilliant. There's no getting around that. But he also put together teams in New England that were brilliant. You know, you look at the guys on the defenses that he coached and the, you know, you got, you know, really brilliant guys.

Rable was one of those guys. Teddy Bruske, you know, Tye Lawyer Malloy, Rodney Harrison. I'm not piling on Bill here, but, you know, you're going to go sit in the living room with a 17-year-old. Do you want to go play for Bill Belichick as a 17-year-old? You know, or do you want to go, you know, play for the Oregon Ducks? Yeah, and by the way, Bledsoe is no fan of the Oregon Ducks. He's a Washington stater. So, and I think this is true.

I think just sort of the Kurt Gruff dismissive nature. works at the NFL level if you're winning. But the minute Bill started losing in New England, people are just over it. The other thing I, and I just, I've said this before, not every NFL coach would win in college, even though NFL coaches on average are better than college coaches. I always felt John Gruden and Rex Ryan, their personalities can win in college. Nick Saban may have been gruff, but he's also charming. And Nick Saban's got a personality.

And he's a great storyteller. And Nick Saban likes the media. He disagrees with the media. he can be rough on the media, but Nick Saban kind of likes the media. He joined the media. It's not performative. Nick's fun to be around. Nick listens.

Nick's fun. He's charming. He's smart. Bill's smart, but I just, this is a, I didn't think it would be this bad. But, you know, Mac Brown won twice at North Carolina. He won a lot of games. And he tweeted out a picture yesterday with Drake May, which may be a shot at Belichick, I'm not sure, because Belichick won't have anything to do with anybody that plays for the Patriots.

again, it's all that grudge holding and anger and that vendetta stuff because he doesn't like Robert Kraft and bro, you got to get over it. College, I said this, the NFL is about upstairs, it's about smart GMing and really good scheming. College football is about talent because you only have 17 hours a week to coach. You're not going to win with schemes. You need bros. You just got to have talent. At the NFL, you have to have some talent, but you really have to have a good good front office. I mean, that's why Kansas City is good year after year after year. It's not just Andy Reed and Mahomes.

They haven't had always the most talent. But they work the trade deadline. They draft and develop well. They find guys in later rounds. So, you know, it's an upstairs, downstairs thing in the NFL. College is about guys. You guys just got to get guys. And it's, you know, it's just, this is getting ugly.

And now there's a ton of leaks because he's alienated so many people through the years. and you know college football a lot of it's about walking down the hall and saying hi to the volleyball coach and taking the call from the dad whose son's not playing i said that's not bill that is not bill and that is college football and if you don't want to own it don't do it right right if you don't like the smell of the farm don't melt cows right like part of working on a farm is it smells all the time and you've got to get used to it um or don't be a farmer this is this is really bad go read the stories yourself There, it is, the tide has turned. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name?

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at 8 Eastern. I've said this, I said it yesterday and last week about the Yankees. The Dodgers and the Yankees spent a lot of money on their teams. The difference is the Yankees are uneven and totally home run independent, the Dodgers just have a bad bullpen.

There's a difference. The Yankees aren't, I don't think they field as well. They don't sacrifice. They don't do small ball. They don't have a great bullpen. I think last night you really saw what makes the Dodgers special is they know they've got to get three and four run leads. They know they've got to have great starting pitching. Dodgers know that.

But last night they answered the bell. It's always harder to win on the road. A harsh environment, but between Snell and, and Rojas and Will Smith, Muncie and Bucky Betts on the defensive gem in the ninth inning. It was a complete team victory. I don't know if the Yankees can do that, and Toronto gets a lot of guys on base.

So the Eagles are the best roster in the NFL. But over the course of the last two years, they've been surging, shrinking, hot, cold, based on their coordinators, and I think they've hired a coordinator, a first-time play caller, and he's struggling to kind of find his way. So talented players don't just suddenly get untalented,

and last year this offense was unbelievable. Philadelphia's got a coaching crisis, and in times of crisis, you have to go back to your identity. And the Eagles identity is pretty obvious. Last two years, they're 12 and 0 when they throw fewer than 25 times. Run the damn ball and be physical. It's not complicated.

So it's interesting. Sometimes it's very complicated. Why is a team losing? And you're looking around, you're like, I don't know, like Kansas City last night, Well, the 13 penalties, we had a bad pick, six, but they should have won. They averaged 7.6 yards of play. So you fly back home and you're scratching your head.

It's not difficult with this team. They were two and two last year at the buy, and you know what they did? Through the ball less, ran more, and it won. Here's Matt Hasselbeck yesterday on their issues. I just think that Philly needs to be proud of who they are. Like, I think, you know, sometimes you're trying to feed disgruntled players just a little bit, trying to keep everybody happy. I think Saekwon, I appreciate how they're getting involved in.

the passing game, but you're giving the defense too much credit if you just say, oh, they're going to, quote, unquote, stack the box against Sequin. Make them prove that they can stop the run. That would be my advice to Philly. Make every team you play prove that they are as physical as they are lining up to be with guys in the box. Yeah, there should never be a moment for the Philadelphia Eagles when you lead by 14 points and Saquan Barkley finishes. with only six carries. That is coaching malfeasance. And for the record, coaches and players improve.

That is not to say their new offensive coordinator can't grow and get better. I watched Matt LaFleur first year Packer coach. The second year, I felt like, wow, he was a much better situational coach in year two, a much better coach after halftime. Coaches improve. But, yeah, I don't think it's complicated with Philadelphia. Just run the ball more. So there's always been this weird mystery with one player in NFL history.

And I've talked about it on this show several times. Russell Wilson did not have a major injury. And he went from elite to not very good to bad really fast. Why? How did he age so quickly? I was reading a tweet yesterday by Daniel Popper. It says since entering the NFL in 2020, Justin Herbert has been hit more times than any quarterback in the league.

Only one other quarterback Russell Wilson has been hit more than 490 times in that span. By the way, said Daniel Popper, Andrew Luck was hit 580 times in his six seasons. Justin Herbert is on pace to be hit 625 times through six seasons. There's your answer on Russell Wilson. He just spent a career getting hit too much, and he aged fast. Go look at Cam Newton. Cam Newton started declining at 29. gigantic cam got hit too much.

Andrew Luck left the league early. So it's almost like if you want to be the guy that closes the bar in your 20s and 30s, you may not see it in real time. You're going to look like hell at 51. You're going to look like 59. And you may not see it now in real time with Justin Herbert, but you cannot get hit 14 and 15 times a game. And we know why.

Because both tackles are out. and Mackay Beckton's never healthy. So right now, the Chargers are starting three sixth round picks on the offensive line. And whereas Cincinnati can't protect Burrell because they're cheap, this is not a cheap thing. This is a cluster injuries at one position. And for years, I've always had this rule. I've talked to executives in this league forever. I always say there's three ways to win in this league, and you have to do them in order.

Find a great quarterback. number two, by insurance for him, protect him at the offensive line, and then draft guys who make the opposing quarterback uncomfortable. That's the league. If you do those three things well, you win Super Bowls. When the Rams and McVeigh won a Super Bowl, star quarterback, Andrew Whitworth left tackle, Aaron Donald, Vaughn Miller. That's it.

Andrew Wetworth retires, you still have McVeigh. You still have Jared, you have Jared Verst. You have Matt Stafford. Offensive line's not quite as good. So this is really an offensive line issue, but unlike Cincinnati who just doesn't spend the money, the Chargers have just had bad breaks. So my takeaway is go back to those Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson stats. I think the Chargers, for no other reason, forget winning today, is to protect their asset, have to make a move at the trade deadline. I think the Rams need a corner.

I think you have to go and get a tackle. And if you have to move Slater when he gets healthy, you got to go protect this guy. Andrew Luck was a big player. Cam Newton was gigantic. Remember how quickly Big Ben? Remember the Big Ben play when he snapped the ball and fell down without being touched? Big Ben 6-6-2-60, a big man.

Herbert's big. But they got to protect him. Here's Jim Harbaugh in their recent struggles. doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing and that's where you got to tighten up we need to get the bleeding stopped on the you know on the the penalties of self-inflicted wounds and it takes i know that's in i know that uh i know that uh i know we're capable of doing that um know we're a good football team in those areas and we're not good at it right now again three six rounds under playing starting also Tom Brady did the game this past week and Tom Brady said Justin Herbert's the best passer in the league he's the best pure passer he's 44 and 40 and a lot of it has been rookie year on they can't protect him and so I think there's sometimes you have to you know how some things in life you have to overspend like if you have kids you're going to

spend more in a house for the school district there are things in life you just have to overspend on you just going to have to overspend on a school district if you got a bunch of young kids. And I think if you have a star quarterback that's getting hit, you just got overspin on the O line. You got to figure out stuff. You got to hit on other draft picks. You have to be cheap at linebacker. I mean, the Rams won a Super Bowl. They weren't very good at linebacker. They weren't very good at safety. But they were great on the O line. McVey and Stafford. Right now, according to PFF, bottom five offensive line. So you can say, well, we're going to wait for Joe Walt to get back. You want to wait three more weeks? You want to watch 14 hits,

three more weeks? Tom, let me ask you something. Listening to you talk about Jim Harbaugh's Chargers cluster injuries, why are both Harbaugh brothers two of the most injured teams in the league right now? Is that just fluky unlucky? Or is there like a mindset that they play harder and it leads to injury? I mean, I just thought of this. A second ago, I'm like, the Ravens are really banged up.

And now the Chargers, I mean, Hampton's on the IR. That's not good. They're on their third string running back. Well, I think both Harbaugh brothers, lean into physicality. And some of its bad breaks, but I think, you know, it's the Ravens have been banged up for several years. By the way, another coach that leans into physicality,

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