The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - The Jets are going all in

Episode Date: August 15, 2023

Colin gives his thoughts on the Jets signing RB Dalvin Cook The Patriots continue to get it wrong by signing RB Ezekiel Elliott Jerry Jones once again giving in to a player's contract demands as Zack Martin ends his holdout for a new dealSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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J-Mack, I know you're feeling pretty, pretty good this morning. Physically no, but about the Jets and Delvin Fook, very, very exciting. Go on vacation, come back sick. You have that NBA jersey on show and the gun show, and it's chilly outside, and that's what happened. I made the mistake of going to the ER last night at 3.30 in the morning. Didn't go well, let's just say that out here in California. And pity anyone who has to deal with the hospital system.

Oh, my gosh. Anyways, a lot of sports today. You look good. Barely. So the jet signed Dalvin Cook. One year deal. Dalvin is four straight Pro Bowl season, still very, very good. But what's interesting is the Patriot signed Ezekiel Elliott, not as good, cheaper,

and he's a declining player since his rookie year. So my two big takeaways on those moves, number one, Aaron Rogers took a pay cut, not just because he's a nice guy. He wanted something in return. He wanted another playmaker. So now he's got Garrett Wilson, he wanted Alan Lazzard, he's got Co. he's got Corey Davis, Breece Hall off an injury,

Dalvin Cook a pro bowler. So it's not that, you know, Aaron wasn't being a little altruistic, but dude wanted a playmaker, and that's what Dalvin Cook is. I would argue he's in the latter years of his prime, but it still feels like he's in his prime to me. I really like him. And he can pass block, catch, run, three down back, great player.

My second takeaway is the Patriots could have had Dalvin Cook. Instead, it was about value. It's always about value for Belichick. Nice stuff costs money. Remember that TV show Extreme couponing years ago? And you'd watch these people come into a grocery store and it's like, oh my God, they got $1,000 worth of groceries for seven cents. Cool, 18 jars of mustard.

And then by the end of the show, your takeaway was, these people are weirdos. Yeah, they are. And Belichick's becoming one. Nice stuff costs money. Zach's cheaper for a. Zeke is cheaper for a reason. The Patriots are 29th in the NFL and offensive spending.

Zeke Elliott, Jujit Smith-Schuster, Devante Parker, you get what you pay for. The Patriots wide receiving room is $24 million. Tyreek Hill is 30 by himself. There's a reason. He separates, gets open, and beats people over the top.

You get what you pay for. In 2023, highly skilled offensive pieces, tight ends, running backs, wide receivers, quarterbacks, yet they cost money. Somebody's going to have to pay for Jonathan Taylor. Maybe it's the Colts. He's not coming on the cheap. Either is Josh Jacobs. Oh, by the way, injury-ridled OBJ.

He costs $15 million to the Ravens. He's a good playing. when he's healthy. People cost money. The Jets pay 8.6 million. The Patriots pay 6. million. So again, the Jets pay 8.6 million for Dalvin Cook. The Patriots pay about 6 million for Zique. Bill used coupons. And what the Jets instead get is a player at the end of his prime, three down back, can do it all, still explosive, give him a crease, and it allows Brees Hall to come back more slowly. They've added a game to the schedule. Nothing wrong with having two running back. Seattle drafted another running back high, and they had a great rookie running back last

year. Very few Derek Henrys. Give each back $125,000,000.50 carries. Nobody gets $250.50. The Jets paid a little more and got a lot more. And the Patriots continue to seek value and bring coupons on offensive pieces. This is not 1998. Brady's gone. Your quarterback's not as good. He doesn't have the ability at this point to elevate players. So you have to go get great

players around him. You know, I'm watching these teams that have these star quarterbacks, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, and I'm watching their coaches continue to furnish better quarterbacks with more good pieces. Meanwhile, Mack Jones, there's limitations,

there's a ceiling, and they keep going on the cheap. It's almost as if Bill doesn't want to give him elite toys because he wants to control him. That's what it feels like to me. All right, saw this Peter King in his Monday morning quarterback column, Monday morning football column, talks about Jordan Love. And Peter King says, and I believe it's correct, that Jordan Love will have a shakier first season starting for the Packers than Brett Farve did. And Brett Farv went 8 and 5 with an 85 quarterback rating, or Aaron Rogers, who went 6 and 10, with a 93 quarterback rating.

And those numbers are very deceiving, and I'll get to that in a second. So I think you should have much higher expectations for Jordan Love for two reasons. Number one, it's a much more quarterback-friendly league. You can't touch a quarterback. You can't grab a wide receiver. Everybody wants to go over the middle. This league in the NFL is now built for quarterbacks. Every rule now leans offense.

The second thing is any quarterback drafted in the last decade, quarterback now is an industry. The tutoring, the private coaching, the video's better, the coaching smarter. There's more camps. There's more reps. Aaron Rogers and Brett Farve did not live generationally in that space. So Brett Farves, so when you've got to be careful when you do comps here, so Brett Farves rookie season in Green Bay was 30 years ago. Offense doesn't even look the same today.

30 years ago was so long ago, the Cowboys used to win superiors. Super Bowls then. The Oilers were a franchise. So technology, politics, and football thrive on innovation. And just to give you an example, in 1992, that's Brett Farve's first year. There was one quarterback in the league, one with a quarterback rating, a passer rating, over 100. This year, there were six.

In 1992, Brett Farve's first season, get a load of this. There was one quarterback with a passer rating over 90 beyond the 100, passer rating. There were 18 this year. So back this year, you had like 24 elite quarterbacks. Back then you had like two or three. So tech football and politics are all about fluidity, the opposite of rigidity, and they're about change. I mean, 30 years ago, we didn't have emails yet. We were all listening to CDs.

And in politics, gay marriage and marijuana were not close to universal acceptance. So the world changes. But if you really go back to Aaron Rogers' first year and Brett Farve's first year as starters, let's contextualize it. Because when Peter King puts those numbers out there, it looks like, oh, it was choppy. Oh, it wasn't very good. But remember, it was a defensive league. You could grab wide receivers.

Nobody wanted to go over the middle. You could grab and jam a quarterback into the turf off an Astro turf for Farv. So let's go back. The first season for Aaron Rogers and the first season for Brett Farv, as starters. So Farve didn't even start the first month and he ended up, this is his first year starting for Green Bay, ninth in passing yards, eighth and passing touchdowns and sixth in passer rating. He was already a top 10 quarterback in the league as a rookie who didn't start his first four games. Aaron, first year starting, fourth in passing yards, fourth in passing touchdowns,

sixth in pass a rating. He was already arguably a top five quarterback. Jordan Love appears to be at this point, we think the fourth most talented quarterback in his division. In the AFC, he wouldn't be top 10. So you got to be very careful about, well, I mean, Jordan Love looks like, no, no, no, Farvin Aaron Rogers gave you glimpses on a weekly basis of greatness. Now, they weren't as consistent. Brett to the end would throw bad picks. Aaron early was a little mechanical.

He's gotten to be much more loose and fluid over the years, his throwing motion, much more comfortable in the pocket, of course. The problem with Jordan Love is we're getting no glimpses of greatness, one, and number two, Rogers and Farve were getting aggressive coaching, and their coaches were allowing them to make mistakes. Farv and Rogers made a lot of mistakes. Packers are telling you they don't have that confidence in Jordan Love. Everything is safe.

everything is babysitting. So it's a whole different world. You cannot even compare Aaron and Fav. Quarterback now, it's a really quarterback friendly league. Like when you see Tray Lance struggle with Kyle Shanahan in today's game, Zach Wilson last year struggling in today's game, you can't struggle that much. Herbert didn't struggle with an atrocious offensive line.

Burrow didn't struggle with an atrocious offensive line. Trevor Lawrence by year two wins playoff games in Jacksonville. quarterback's hard, it's not that hard. And so, you know, my takeaway on that is we'd see something by now. We'd have glimpses of greatness and we'd have more aggressive coaching by Green Bay. And I think it's a trust factor. They see it at practice. They don't see greatness.

They don't see juice. They don't see wow. And they're protecting him, which is fine. But Justin Field appears to be now, got a little momentum. Jared Gossp into a Super Bowl. and Kirk Cousins. Say what you want about Kurt Cousins. He's DAC without the brand.

He's a very B-B-B-plus quarterback. All right, great to have you in. I had no idea that you spent hours in an emergency room. I've done that about three times in my life. That is no fun at all. No, no. I was there like 40 minutes. They told me it was a two-hour wait,

and I was like, it's three in the morning. I'm going home. But to go back to football real quick, Colin, this is crazy. I just looked up Aaron Rogers first year. Yeah. Okay? There's a story on Madison.com. not only did he go six and ten as his first year.

After sitting for three, he was booed on family night. They were booing Aaron Rogers. He sat for three years. They go six and ten. Jordan Love probably not going to get booed this year, right? Well, even though America's meaner, probably not. But I don't think they'll put him in a position to get booed. So Aaron, if you go back to that first year, they were six and ten.

Yeah. But we've had multiple players that were in the camps with Aaron by year two in Green Bay. and they were like, we're good here. I mean, people forget, maybe they don't. Brett Farv was beloved. I mean, it was Peyton Manning. Brady was winning. Ben could win.

Farv was beloved by the late John Madden, Wranglers, he was Middle America, he was Southern, he was y'all. So to move off Brett Farv, like Aaron got a little prickly and a little aloof, California cool, much easier to move off Aaron than it was Brett Farv. So you're, you're, this Midwest Wrangler,

a pickup truck guy for this hipster California guy. It was a weird, dicey move. And people loved Farr. Farr acted, were hunting hats. He was Green Bay. Aaron never felt totally like Green Bay. He did a really good job to make himself part of the community. Love the Badgers, invested in the Milwaukee Bucks.

Aaron made a really, really concerted effort to be one of the peeps. Farv felt like one of the peeps. Yeah. It is interesting. some of these superstar quarterbacks. Peyton Manning struggled early. Obviously Aaron Rogers, six and ten. And then Patrick Mahomes, you know, sits for a year and is, I mean, I know he had Andy Reid.

But remember, let's go back to the rant, to different world now. It is. You cannot grab receivers at the line. The middle of the field is all offense. The coaching is much better. These kids now go to camps. It's amazing. I have friends with kids.

Summer is football. Summer used to be water, skiing, and camping. Summer's now football. Camp, everything. camp after camp, L.A., Vegas, Texas, Florida, kids traveling all over the country. So my expectations of Jordan Love, he's lived in that world. Fav didn't and Aaron didn't. So it's all these guys now, I'm not giving you four years.

I'm going to give you Thanksgiving by your second year. And by the way, Justin Fields a great example. Last year's his second year. Go to Thanksgiving of Justin's second year. And you can see we showed it to you yesterday. the numbers now improve without a lot of help. So now his third year with help, again, Luke Getsey, watch him probably pop.

So I don't, I don't, now, Mahomes did grow up in the era of camps and specialization. But Aaron didn't, and Farrve definitely didn't. Yeah, Mahomes clearly a unicorn when you look at everything. We're never going to see another one of those. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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This story surprised me, and then it really didn't. Zach Martin, the guard, got a new deal with the Cowboys. A couple of weeks ago, Jerry was adamant. He wouldn't get one, but it's another great player who gets maybe not. even great player, another player for the Cowboys gets what they want. Jerry loves to tell you what a great businessman he is, but he gets rolled a lot. He paid DAC way too late. He paid Zeke two years too early. He should have never paid linebacker Jalen Smith. He gave Amari Cooper 60 million guaranteed and after two years let him walk. He also got BS by Mike McCarthy who acknowledged he was just

making stuff up when he told Jerry during the job interview that he'd watched every he snapped for the Cowboys in 2019 when he was on his couch, again later, denied it. He gets taken to the woodshed a lot. And Zach Martin, I'm reading a story. It was just like last week. Jerry Jones said, it's not about precedent. It's about facts. We need the money to pay Michael Parsons.

He'll come to camp when he comes to camp. No resolution. A lot of consequences if he doesn't. He's been at the top of the money chain all these years, drafted high, a lot of money. Bottom line is, nothing needs to happen. Well, then why would it? Hmm, Jerry's about image. Dak Prescott had a really bad week of discussion on national shows,

talk radio, newspapers about all the interceptions he was throwing. Trayvon Diggs got in his face, called him an expletive, kind of demeaning, non-respectful. And Jerry loves his image, wants to get that positive cowboy train right back on the tracks, and so he signs him. You think I'm crazy? How did Jerry go from adamantly, no deal, to let's make a deal? I think it's the DAC practice, the DAC interceptions, the negativity, the Trayvon

Dick story. Nobody in the NFL loves to pay their draft picks like Jerry, because it validates his football genius. He's actually pretty knowledgeable about football as far as owners go, so is Jim Merce and both tend to now medal, but they're never quite as educated on actual football as they want

you to believe. And so the Cowboys are a lot about agents. Jerry's become the guy that's great to invite to your local poker party. He brings a lot of money, comes with a lot of confidence, and has to buy his way back in a couple of times, because he's not actually

very good. So to go from there's nothing that needs to happen to make a deal, what is that about? To me, it's about image. It's about getting the positive vibes into a season, no negativity, keep the Cowboys top of mind, top of sport shows. This stuff matters to Jerry. He understands the power of television and the power of narratives. It's why Jerry loves Tony Robo on CBS and Troy Aikman, formerly here and now on ESPN. And he likes hit Michael Lerb. was on the NFL network. Jerry

loves that stuff. He gets television to his credit. He understands it. The league as a whole gets television. But this feels like an image move. I think Zach Martin's really good and really important. But to go from adamantly no deal to let's make a deal, ask yourself why.

JMAQ with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I got a good laugh out of this story. So the Niners are super confident that Brock Purdy will be their starter this season. He's been cleared to practice three days straight

without a built-in off day. Kyle Shanahan spoke to Albert Breer about how good they feel about him. He played at as high a level as you can ask for, as consistent a level as you can ask for. Hell yeah, you want to win with that and be very happy with that. He's been the starter since last year ended.

He was always clearly our starter, but there were many questions about his injury, so we had to prepare for everything else. He would have to melt in practice. to lose it, and Brock's too good of a player to melt in practice. Well, what's going to, what I do think is interesting, and you and I both like to make predictions and kind of theorize what's going to happen. We did this yesterday with Jim Harbaugh.

Yeah, yeah. And the question becomes, if Brock Purdy, as the last player taken, gets this team once again to an NFC championship and even a Super Bowl, win or lose in that Super Bowl, I do think there are teams knowing that there's very rarely. outside of a Caleb Williams, an absolute lock, is it's going to have more teams drafting third, fourth, fifth, sixth round quarterbacks stacking the lineup. And, you know, it's interesting. I watched the Raiders this weekend, and it's very early, but they have some young kid out of Purdue. And I watched him, and I thought, he was like a fourth round

quarterback pick. You could look it up. But I thought to myself watching him, man, is he Brock Purdy this year? You know, if the Raiders want, you know, Josh McDaniels doesn't want to tank or he's going to lose his job. He got called into a closed-door meeting with Mark Davis, the owner last year. So he went out and got Garoppolo for a reason. Garapolo's played in big games. He understands the gravitas of being the starting quarterback. And so my takeaway is, if Garapolo gets banged up, do the Raiders have the opportunity to re-sign a Josh Jacobs? But I was watching that kid playing. I'm like, that's something. He's pretty good. That's something. Yeah. I'll add, do you think they try to showcase the Niners,

Trey Lance here in the next couple weeks. Oh, I think. In hopes that they can maybe offload him for, hey, give us a fifth, Minnesota. This was a big topic last week when you were on vacation. Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, show them off. Just get them. You're in the salvage stage. Like you've moved off the starting stage.

First round picks that didn't work, salvage them. I still think Zach Wilson has an elite arm and Trey Lance is a big, strong athlete. There's something there for both of them eventually. I really think that. I'm not saying they're going to. I think in a better environment that's not New York, bring him back out west, I think there's something for him. I mean, short of putting him with like an offensive genius. Well, there's Mike McDaniel, Sean McVeigh, something like that.

There's a lot of good offensive coaches in this league. There's a lot of them. You know, Brian Daibble could probably use him in New York since we don't believe in Daniel. I would get him out in New York. New York's never going to see him as a star. I mean, you fail in New York. You don't get a lot of second chances. All right.

Next up, running backs very vocal about their frustrations right now. Josh Jacobs still holding out. Well, former Raiders running back, Marcus Allen was asked about the Jacobs situation and gave his thoughts on the state of the running back position. I'm just going to say it. It's almost like collusion. They decided that the running back position is one

that their productivity is only for a short period of time instead of looking at each and everyone individually. They've decided as a group that they're not going to pay them so I can understand what running backs are thinking and what they're feeling. I always, when people claim collusion. Yeah, I don't know. Here's what I always feel about that word. And it certainly exists.

And there was this for a while. It was Colin Kaepernick's collusion. Have you ever, you and I work in the media business, have we ever known something to be true and talked about it? We don't necessarily collude against anybody, but there's like, you know, everybody knows something to be true. Somebody's underrated. Somebody's overrated.

Oh, the media loves in sports media to collude about people. Oh, they're a rising star. Or whatever. But the truth is, is it collude? or is it just one of those things that's understood and whispered about in corners? Like, I've been talking to GMs for years, in the last four years. The overwhelming sentiment from every GM and scout I talk to is you can't sign running backs due to the data and analytics to a second big contract.

That's not collusion, it's analytics. It's like saying we don't want power forwards who can't shoot in the NBA. Tristan Thompson went from valuable to unplayable in like three years. That's not collusion. It's we've got evidence here. If you can't shoot, you can't have two guys on the floor that can't shoot. The thing Marcus Allen probably misses is in the 80s and even 90s, it took a while for things to change because there wasn't this much data.

Now the data is so available, things are happening very rapidly in the NFL. Things are changing and pivoting quickly. And it's like, we've known about this for running backs for a couple years now. It's just now the contracts are coming home to Roos. about analytics and baseball. So when I grew up, I know it's 70s baseball talk, but a Tommy LaSorda, a Sparky Anderson, the great managers, Jim Leland, could you have believed in their coaching prime, their managing prime, that they would be getting the batting order from executives upstairs.

If you, if I said, hey, in 30 years, like Sparky Anderson in the late 70s, early 80s, you know, the wizard. Yeah, Earl Weaver. Dick Williams. Yeah, those guys are going to get the starting lineup from an intern upstairs. That's the way it works now. The front office gives you the batting order.

Analytics drive the sport. So it's just like stuff changes. It's not collusion against Major League Baseball managers. It's that data, not your gut, is what wins games in a volume sport. You had a good example with the sports media. People wonder, why do you guys talk about the NBA? Look at the ratings.

They're not great. But what people miss is, have you looked at the social media aspect of the NBA. It's star driven. I think that their Instagram has like 72 million follow the NBA and it's like 28 million or something for the NFL. Now I know on TV it's different, but the NBA, you put stuff online and it circulates very rapidly. Absolutely. And the numbers, we trust the numbers. That's what it is. We're not colluding to pump up the NBA. I don't care. We got to give the people what they want, right? Yeah. And so I just, I don't think, I think Marcus, it feels like that. It's collusion against running backs. But there has been a growing

sentiment in front offices, and I've talked to people for you, and you do the same thing, is that it's just like you can't do it. It's just bad money. Now, for years, you can argue running backs were overpaid. But this happens in every business. It could be tech, law, medicine, whatever it is, sales. You get new data, and it's like, oh, that doesn't work anymore. That's not, people don't care about that. So collusion's always, and I'm not saying there isn't some collusion in pro sports. Owners are a good old boys club. I'm not saying it doesn't exist.

But there's a lot of times that I think analytics is just making all sports smarter and more efficient. And I think the running back is a position that's being devalued. I think safety's been devalued. I think linebackers have been devalued. Interior offensive linemen have been devalued. Well, if Marcus Allen wants to pay running backs, go get a GM job, overpay a running back and see how long you have your job.

Yeah. It's just not going to work. It doesn't work like that. Final story. Sean McDermott taking over as defensive play caller following Leslie Frazier's mysterious departure. McDermott spent eight seasons as DC before taking over as Bill's head coach, and he said after the first preseason game, he enjoyed taking that job back. Yeah, it was fun. You know, it was fun to be back out there and kind of rolling up my sleeves a little bit and still working through the communication piece, preseason game, a little bit different than a regular season game.

But we'll go back just like we do with the players and evaluate that and talk about some. some areas that we've got to improve on. And so it's just kind of getting on the same cadence. Is it possible that we're all hyperventilating and the bills are just going to be fine? I mean, I know we didn't like the way the season ended, and the Stefan Diggs drama is a little concerning. But I'm reading, and I'm guilty of this too, with Aaron Rogers emergence, Mike McDaniels wizardry, this is still a great roster. And they addressed one of their huge issues, which is they don't get a lot of production at a tight end, so they go get the best tight end in the draft. Like, we've got to be honest here.

They still have the biggest, strongest, most athletic quarterback in the division, an excellent infrastructure, good GM, good coach. They're an easy team to sell your stock on. They got dudes everywhere, like everywhere. So this, you know, I hate to make this about the Jets, but McDermott history is the D.C. I would love to look into how he did against Aaron Rogers when he was, in the NFC historically. Given the season opener, Aaron Rogers against McDermott,

McDermott now calling plays. I don't have the numbers. I'm going to look them up. That is a, with the addition of Dalvin Cook, that is a, isn't that the Sunday night football game? Monday, I think. That is an all-time Monday night football opener. You know, we talked about this, this game,

and it's just one game, but man, this is going to go a long way. Bills win this game, Jets are 0-1 going to Dallas. Jets win this game, and it's like Aaron Rogers is, here. We got a squad. I mean, what's a countdown on that game, by the way? Are we less than a month? Yeah, less than a month to go. I know you're excited. You've got to rank that as your number one game opening weekend. It has to be, Colin.

Well, on this show, it is. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. You know, I should do that. We haven't done that. I should go back and look at the first. I know there's the game so far that I'm excited for. I really want to see Justin Fields now with weapons against.

Jordan Love. That's really good. That's probably a one o'clock game. Maybe it's the late game for Fox. In Cowboys Giants, week one as well, that's interesting because Brian Daibble, in year two, everybody's selling their giant stock, and it's like Mike McCarthy now goes to a play caller, not been good in his last 20 starts as a play caller, and Daibble's a wizard, and he's got Daniel Jones, and their young players should get better. that'll probably be a very low-scoring close game. So Packers, Bears, Giants, Cowboys,

Bill's Jets. There's one other game. Oh, I think Chargers Miami. That's like... That's really good. That's 38, 36. So I just looked this up because you mentioned it. Fields last year against the Packers,

in the second game of the season, he looked not great. They got destroyed. He was 7 of 11 interception. But later in December, the second meeting, 20 of 25 fields against the Packers, 254 yards, did have two costly picks, but rushed for 71 yards under touchdown.

Yeah, and. So he clearly grew up a little bit. He's now had some familiarity with the defense. And they've got significant, and they got, you know, DJ Moore and Claypool and Mooney now are like veterans. They've been around the league for several years. And Cole Commet now is no longer a kid.

And Robert Tonian. Yeah. So like they've got, their O-line still young, but it's like, you know, whereas Green Bay's got a lot of kids, Dobbs, Christian Watson, Musgrave the tight end.

Chicago's got guys who have been in the league a few years, so Chicago's hosting Green Bay. What's the line on that? I don't have it right now. I would guess it's... Three and a half. I'm probably under three. Two and a half.

Bears are at home. I bet you they're favored by two and a half. That's my gut feeling. Bears favored by two and a half at home against Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers. All right, here we go. The line for that game is Bears minus

Three? All right. I would... Whoa. So at three... Justin Fields is favored by a fuel. No, that's minus 105. So the juice is a little bit.

I would not bet the Bears minus three there. Okay, it's a pass. Yeah. At two and a half, a little different story. I would take the Bears. Yeah. Hmm. Is that going to make the blazing five?

At two and a half. I'll take the bears at two and a half. Justin Fields can be given points out. Didn't he lose ten games in a row last season? Well, yeah, but again, I know. The splits. Second half of the season, he was better, and now he gets real help. Like, people didn't watch DJ more in Carolina last couple of years.

Isn't a really nice player. And Mooney's a really nice player. Cole Comette, Robert Tonian. Like, Tonian's not a high profile player because Aaron Rogers and Aaron's Jones take a lot of the oxygen. And Matt Lefleur, it's like Robert Tonian is a highly productive tie-down. Let's be real. The pressure in this game is on Jordan Love. It's not on fields.

This is his first road start ever? It's a new era. It's Chicago. So I think Justin Fields has to win the game at home. Yeah, you've got to win that game at home. So you think more pressure is on? Justin Fields. First of all, it's Chicago.

He's a starter. They gave him a lot of help. Jordan loves them. Getting all the negative press. He's 5 and 20. Like Justin Fields has to win a home game against the weakest Green Bay has been in 25 years. He's planned for his job. Jordan loves not planned for his job.

We don't think. Chicago's a big, loud media. He's 5 and 20. That's a good topic. He's at home as a favorite. Okay. Now, I think we both think, you know, 60, 40 it's going to work. After watching him the other day, maybe I'm 65.

I like it. But the pressure's on Justin. He's got to win these games now. They have gone out. I never trust the Bears front office. My entire life had a pretty good off-season. That pretty good draft, pretty good off-season. You got to win this game.

You're home. It's a rival. You're favored. If Jordan Love goes out, plays over. can lose this. We're not blasting Jordan Love on Monday. If Justin Fields goes out and his average and loses to Jordan Love, he's getting whacked. Am I wrong? Maybe a slight disagreement.

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By the way, Emmanuel Ocho and I were talking yesterday, kind of feels the same thing. a little bit overwhelmed. And so, folks, the video and the data is irrefutable. Stop denying the truth. There's no valor in rigidity. I thought he had a ton of potential.

So did really smart people in the NFL. And remember, the Niners drafted George Kittle in the fifth round. He'll make the Hall of Fame. Funga, the safety, fifth round. He's great. Brock Purdy, seventh round. They draft really well. But quarterback is hard. Really hard. I know you're an expert. You always know who's going to make it. I call Johnny Mansell and Baker is a bust.

Yeah. I said, Jamarcus Russell, James Winston, don't think they'll be great. I missed on Sam Darnold, but I nailed Zach Wilson. You know, I feel pretty good for my picks. If San Francisco can miss on one and they know what they're doing, anybody can. So he just doesn't see the field particularly well. And Kyle Shanahan's number one goal, because his rival, Sean McVeigh is going to Super Bowl. So what's Kyle Shanahan's number one goal? Above everything. It's not to be right. It's to win a Super Bowl. If Tray Lance could do that or gave him the best chance to do that, he'd go with him. John Lynch is a GM. That's an egg on your face first round pick. He wants it to work. Nobody's rooting against him. Nobody. But the biggest mistake in the NFL you can make,

and it's really the biggest mistake in all business, doubling down on a mistake. Get over yourself. move on. Brock Purdy's better. Yes, he went six, seven rounds later. He's better. Sam Darnold's better. Sought again this weekend. It's okay.

It happens. Nobody is perfect. It's why Miami's never been able to really replace Dan Marino. It's why Denver had to go and get Peyton Manning to truly replace John Elway. Stuff is hard. Quarterbacks leadership and guile and toughness and intelligence. A lot of stuff that are really, really hard to measure. So this is just what.

one of those things is quarterback's difficult, but it's not as difficult right now with Kyle Shanahan is Tray Lance is making it. He just doesn't see the field. He's raw, the video, and the data evidence in seven starts, preseason, regular season, 84-passer rating, 59% completion percentage. Okay, so my takeaway, though, considering his lack of college experience and NFL experience 59% completion percentage for a big kid who moves well. He's not a bust. He's not a bust yet. Some GM, I'd roll the dice on Trey Lance.

Zach Wilson, who's got a better arm but is small, not quite sure if he can stay within the lines of a system, a little bit of a Johnny Mansell ad liber. I'm not sure Zach Wilson's going to make it. I'm not going to call him a bus, but he's damn close. Trey Lance is at 59% completion percentage, 84 passer rating with almost no starts. I think you're an offensive coach and you can look at that and say, I can get him to 62.5% completion percentage, 96 passer rating, then he's not a bust.

I don't think Trey is. I just don't think he fits this system now. I said this yesterday. The Niners are a win now team. and Tray Lance is a quarterback that could eventually be very interesting. But I don't think he's a bust. He just doesn't work for them. He's raw.

There's no value in keeping him as a number three quarterback. If Darnold's going to start or be the primary backup. So move him. And I think what they're doing is, and I think the Jets should do this and the Niners should do it. Put those guys out there. Somebody before the trade deadline in week, whatever it is, or eight for the trade deadline. I think you could move both.

And I think that would be the play. Now, the Jets and the Niners are good enough to win playoff games. So I can see both organizations, especially the Jets saying, we're going to keep Zach around in case Aaron at 39 years old gets banged up. But for the Niners, with Darnold already backing up Brock Purdy, there's no real reason to keep him. Just move off him. But did I think he had potential?

Yes, absolutely. Met the kid, big, strong, smart. people have J. Mack mentioned Minnesota. He was a high school, great high school athlete in Minnesota. I'm not exactly sure what the future is for Kirk Cousins. That's interesting. But I, you know, not fit matters. Like in my entire career in this broadcasting thing, fit matters.

Some people just don't fit. Square peg, round hole doesn't work. Trey Lance for a team that I think has the best roster in football is not ready to be the guy. It doesn't mean if you're an organization with an older quarterback and you're like, you know what? We can bring him in for a six-round pick. We can draft another quarterback next year. The kid needs reps. He's raw.

There's no point of sitting him on the bench during the regular season. So I think Dan Orlovsky's right. I said it yesterday. It seems harsh. It's just like you can see stuff. Quarterback's hard. It's not that hard with Kyle Shanahan. It's not that hard.

You want a surprise? Yeah, I want to surprise. Brock Purdy is older than Trey Lance. has been in the league now, this is year three. Rock Purdy, remember, stayed in college, um, 23 years old, birthday in December.

He's older than Trey Lance. Trey Lance is going to have a chance. He should have a chance, right? He can be done at 23. No, I, and he's, it's not like Zach Wilson, there's a size component. There's a cocky component.

With Trey Lance, it's like, not cocky, coachable, nice kid, big kid, moves well. He's not twitchy. He doesn't, he's not Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, but he moves well. He's a big strong kid. I'm a general manager.

I'm Minnesota. I'd roll the dice in him. I'd have no problem giving up a six-round pick for him. At this point, you're trying to salvage it. San Francisco can't get greedy. They've hit on several six-round picks. Purdy's a seventh. Elijah Mitchell, the running back, was a six.

I think Jennings, that wide receiver was a six. Kittle was a five, so they've shown an ability to hit on later picks. Don't get greedy on it. And the truth is, Tray's likable. So you'd like him to go somewhere that it can work. San Francisco is not going to double down on it, and you'd like to do the kid a solid. Most teams don't want to screw players. They like them.

You're in business together. They may come back around. Who knows? But it just doesn't work now for this time. It's not the end of the world. He made good money. Got some upside here. Let him play.

But once you bring Darnold in, you already gave everybody the roadmap on how it's going to work. Purdy's the starter. Veteran Sam Darnold has got some of Trey Lance's athletic dimensions and size. I think Sam's a little more athletic. I think they gave you a tell on what they were going to do. How's this one?

Mike McDaniel, head coach of the Dolphins, was with the Niners both the years that Tray Lance was there. Well, he would know more about him. Exactly. You never want to say Tua gets hurt, but let's say Tua is not the NFL. What does it tell you that they went and picked up Mike White? A Jets guy,

as opposed to make a run at Trey Lance? for like a six-round pick. Well, probably because at that point, the Niners wanted to see one more camp with Trey Lance. I mean, they want to make this thing work. Nobody's rooting against him. I mean, if you're a GM, you're not rooting.

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