The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - The Ravens may not be contenders, Shedeur Sanders turned off some teams, Justin Herbert

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

After a disappointing loss to the Detroit Lions, Colin Cowherd questions whether Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens are true Super Bowl contenders this season Colin responds to the story of what Shedeur Sanders told some teams before the NFL draft Los Angeles Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert joins Colin to discuss the team’s impressive 3-0 start and what it’s like playing for Jim HarbaughSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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J-Mack, you and I didn't have a very good week. It was a weird, weird week. But when you dig deep on Detroit, you know, we talked about this. Brand new coordinators don't take week one too seriously or the preseason. It looks like they've righted the ship. They looked like Detroit the last several years physically up front pushing people around. Yeah. I got questions about the Baltimore Ravens.

Hopefully you can answer it. All right. So last night was the perfect example of how you beat a superstar quarterback when you're the road team. Detroit dominates time of possession. They're aggressive on fourth down. They convert in the red zone. No field goals. We're getting touchdowns.

They bullied the Home Ravens for three and a half hours. Super aggressive. And you think of Baltimore as tough and physical and resilient. Now, this defense is just as soft as the Dallas Cowboys defense. Baltimore's last in total defense, they surrender a ton of yards. I don't want to hear about the pass rushers. They were missing. that wasn't about pass rushing last night.

They invested a lot of money in Kyle Hamilton, Roquan Smith, their top two draft picks. They got over $100 million on defense, and they're soft. And by week four and five in the NFL season, we're getting to be a quarter of the way through it, some of your problems you can't solve unless at the trading deadline you take a big swing. So this was three and a half hours of total domination. It may have been 3830. It felt like 4817. And here's the weird thing, is that Lamar Jackson is so explosive that when he does lead a scoring drive, it's often very quick.

So they send that crappy defense back on the field. They don't get any rest. So the Ravens, bizarrely, have the second fewest plays per drive in the league and the number one total offense. So they don't play complimentary football. And if you look at the last 10 Super Bowls, which is 20 total teams, there's been one awful defense. Atlanta. What happened to Atlanta in that Super Bowl? They blew a huge lead.

You're not a Super Bowl team with that defense. So the Ravens have a huge dilemma, which I don't know if it's solvable, is that they score, because they're so dynamic with Lamar Jackson. He's so gifted. They score quickly. And then the defense doesn't get a rest. It goes right back onto the field. It's not complimentary football. Like last year, the Lions defense stunk.

But the Lions were number two in the league last year in time of possession. So at least they kept their average defense on the sidelines, and they won 15 games. That's not what Baltimore does. Plus, they got a Derek Henry fumbles in imperfect times issue. So again, by week four, week five, you know, you kind of know what your issues are. I mean, the Lions had 96-yard drive and 70-yard drive and 98-yard drive and 60-yard drive. They did whatever they wanted to do. And if you look at the Baltimore game, their defense against Detroit last night,

and the Ravens defense against Buffalo combined those two games. They only forced those teams to punt three times, three times. Out of 13 total possessions. So I went this morning and looked at the Ravens defense. NFL ranked their last 30th, 30th, 31st, and everything. Yeah, they were missing a couple pass rushers. That wasn't about pass rush. Detroit was in control. I mean, by the third quarter, every time Baltimore sent that defense out to make a stop, they couldn't. So the Ray Lewis, Ed Reed days are over. This defense doesn't do a lot well. They've spent money on it, and

bizarrely, they score too quickly. If you are weak defensively, we've talked about this a lot. like one of the issues Kansas City has, they have no run game. So their defense is good, but it looks worn down in the second half. Well, Raven's defense looks worn down in the first half. And again, Lamar is so explosive that you just, that defense is on the field, way too many snaps. And John Harbaugh saw the same thing we did. The biggest problem was we didn't play good run defense. I mean, we didn't, as a defense complete, we didn't do it.

that's not going to be good enough. There's nobody in that locker room that thinks that's good enough. That's disappointing. That's bad run defense. And that's not who we are. It cannot be who we are. It's just not going to be good enough. It's not going to be acceptable. And it's got to be better. So,

again, when you get to this point of the season, trade deadlines up in about three weeks, Rams may need a corner. Ravens have to figure out something defensively. Now, they will have pass rushers return, which could help them in close games late if they have a

lead. But right now, this defense is just not good, and they've invested in it, and it was a major problem last night. Let's talk lines. Let's give them some credit. So there's a big difference. It's a fine line, but there is a difference between stubborn guy and guy who has a very strong self-belief.

And I initially thought Dan Campbell was a lot. a little stubborn when he would always go for it on fourth because they didn't like their personnel. But now that they have really good personnel, he's self-belief guy. He's never wavered on what he does. He's go-for-it guy. When they went for it with a buck fifty-six left in the fourth quarter, fourth and two, and despite the fact they'd run at will on Baltimore and they throw it downfield, that is self-belief.

That is believing in your dudes. And they should. Again, I thought Dan was reckless in his first couple of. years because going forward on fourth down with average players is dumb. Detroit drafts really well. They got a great front office. Going for it last night, I would have run. I think we all thought they were going to run. But on the two big fourth downs, the one at the goal line, kind of the double pitch, and then that, they throw it over the top. So, I mean, that was really clever. Both of those caught you off guard. They don't have a tush push. And yet the last three,

years, they're number one in the league on fourth down conversions. They don't have a tush push. They have a golf hands it off, give it to Gibbs, but they don't have a touch push. So again, there's a fine line between stubborn guy and, hey, I believe in what we are. And Dan Campbell took over a very flimsy franchise. The Lions always had talent, Barry Sanders, Matt Stafford, Calvin Johnson. They always had talent. They had no identity. And so Dan came into a fault and said, we're going to be tough, relentless, and physical, and super aggressive. And again, I was like, I don't know. But going forward on fourth down, it's got a Jim Harbaugh feel to it.

It's completely authentic, and he's not wavering. This is who he is. Homer away, good team or bad, he's going to go for it, and here's Dan Campbell after. I got a tremendous amount of trust in those guys, and that's been built up now on five years, you're right? And that helps. And that offensive line, the way they were playing, and we just felt like that was, we felt like that was the right call. And it's, man, it's those guys. It's the players, man. They're the ones who make this stuff come to life. And they've earned that trust, you know, and they just, once again, man, they step up and make huge plays at critical

times. And it's, I mean, it's unbelievable. It really is. It's a thing of beauty. If you look at the best teams in this league, you almost never ask, what are they? Like the Chargers and Harbaugh, what are they? Physical, aggressive. What are the lions? You have never asked with Dan Campbell. Like, what are they? They've had bad stretches.

They've had bad defenses. You always know what they are. They are hyper-aggressive. In the best days of the Ravens when they were winning Super Bowls, they were physical. You didn't want to play the Ravens. Like the Patriots would go into games. Tom Brady said it, yeah, I didn't really love playing those teams. Those teams, you felt you were sore the next three days.

And that's a big part, like the Tush Push, the Eagles. You never doubt what they are. And there's a lot of talented players in this league. But go look at the standings this morning. And if you look at the top, the 3 and 0 teams or the 2-1 teams, almost always, they have an identity. You kind of know what they are and what they stand for. Iber Flues head coach of the Bears.

What were they? They weren't even good on defense all the time. Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins. They're fast. You never ask that with the Lions and Dan Campbell. So, J-Mack, it is. It is a fascinating dilemma for the Ravens is that they have all sorts of good players,

but it's not a complimentary football team. You cannot win Super Bowl. You can't win a World Series with a bad bullpen. You can't leak runs in the 7-8th and the... You can't win a Super Bowl with a really bad defense because even if you outplay a team like Atlanta and the Patriots, you'll subsequently give up that... You'll give that lead up eventually.

And I look at Baltimore last night and I'm like, no, that team can't win a Super Bowl. At their current state, at their current roster, I don't think they can win a Super Bowl. It's interesting. I think they started 0 and 2 last year and then peeled off five in a row. Yeah. But there's only six teams in the AFC, Colin.

right now with a winning record. That's it. And one of them is like the Colts, you know, and the other with Jaguars. So the AFC is actually down. And I feel like Baltimore is maybe finding themselves early. I have a theory on this. So in the last two years, I believe the NFC is caught up and surpassed the AFC. So what happened was, AFC teams, there were a lot of bad AFC teams like Buffalo. They're a bad team. Or a Cincinnati. They're not a very good team. And it, Chargers. What are they?

Philip Rivers is getting old. There were a lot. And then all these AFC teams hit on quarterbacks. Josh Allen, Joe Burrell, Lamar Jackson, well, I mean, to some degree like Trevor Lawrence has a man, Justin Herbert. So when you didn't have to pay Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City, when you didn't have to pay those quarterbacks yet, the top of the NFL was all these great quarterbacks on rookie deals.

then Baltimore, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Buffalo, now you have to pay your star quarterbacks. What happens? Those teams in the AFC's rosters aren't very good. The NFC, many of the teams have quarterbacks on friendly deals, Darnold and the Seahawks, Baker in the Bucks, Purdy in the Niners,

Hertz and the Eagles. So in the NFC, you don't have the super, stars, but you have very good B plus to A minus quarterbacks on team-friendly deals, and therefore, your rosters are better. I think the rosters now are better in the NFC. The quarterback elite talent now very expensive is better in the AFC. What do you eat in neurogum over there? That is a hot, awesome take.

I mean, that's good stuff from you. Now, Denver flies in the face of that. They have a young quarterback. They're one and two, but they lost two games at the buzzer, right? So maybe they're going to be fine. But I do kind of like that. You pay your quarterback. You can't the rest of the roster.

I mean, there was a four to five year stretch that we looked at Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City. We're like, oh, yeah, those are easily the best teams because you had stacked rosters and superstar quarterbacks. Washington, Jane and Daniels. Now look at Kansas City's O-line and run game. Bad. Baltimore's defense bad.

Buffalo's back end, not very good. That's the one, I mean, like even the chargers, we like, we like them, but God, they could use another to this. They couldn't keep Bosa. They could keep Khalil Mack. He gets hurt. You're like, uh-oh. So that's the reality is the NFC's got better value on very good quarterbacks,

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So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So sometimes it takes a while for the truth to come out, for the whole story to be developed. We officially have it on why Shadur Sanders. dropped like a rock in the draft and ended up going in the fifth round with the Cleveland Browns where he's now splitting scout team duties with Bailey Zappy. Dion Sanders admitted the Eagles and the Ravens called his son before the draft, but he didn't want to be a long-term backup. Dion is quoted as saying, hey, I never sat on the bench and learned a lot.

I mean, who learned sitting on the bench? Oh, I don't know. Aaron Rogers, Brady, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy, Philip Rivers behind Breeze, Patrick Mahomes behind Alex Smith, Jalen Hertz. Oh, I just winged about eight guys. Most are really, really good. But with Dion, it's I never, this isn't about you, prime time. Your son doesn't have primetime talent.

He's an after-school special. You were a prime time talent. Okay, you're totally different ballgame. You're projecting your talent onto your son. You suppressed a man. Think about this. So two great organizations said, would you like to come into our house and learn from us?

Nah. And then Dion pre-draft went on and crapped on like the four or five bad teams that were interested. If your son or daughter is going to the market and you're a famous mom or dad and you say, listen, we're not going to work for any startups. And unless he's a vice president or she's a vice president, we're not working for Apple and Microsoft or Google either. Yeah, not great parenting. And this story has been undercover because Dion's very popular in the media. But this is insane.

Who learns something sitting on a bench? The best quarterback ever, Brady, sitting behind Drew Bloodsoil, a total pro. Mahomes has acknowledged Alex Smith was instrumental to his growth. I mean, Lamar Jackson sat for 10 weeks behind Joe Flacco, learn the offense, Brock Purdy, Jalen Hertz. I mean, that's what Green Bay does. We draft you, you sit and learn. Who learns from the bench?

I've got nothing against Sodor. I've always said, that's more of a Dion issue, because son worships dad, son follows dad's advice, but the idea who learns anything on the bench. Here's a memo. I was just reading a story this morning. I think it was in the New York Times about how college-educated kids are struggling to find jobs out of college.

Let me give you a tiny bit of advice. If a great company calls and says, listen, we're going to give you kind of a semi-internship. Take it. There's not many great anything out there. There are very few great companies. Ravens Eagles are great companies. If they call and they say, you know, it's not a starter, but you can sit here and figure it, you take it. I mean, it's one thing not to want to work with a startup and move cross-country.

You can probably sometimes, it's a million of those most don't work. But this story now, the truth is coming out. I mean, the Ravens Eagle said, we're interested. They're pretty good at player evaluation. And now you're splitting scout team reps with Bailey Zappy. I mean, it's this whole thing, who learns anything on the bench? I mean, I can give you like 19 Hall of Famers who did not, I mean, we're not talking about a corner, and Dion was unbelievably gifted.

You know, it's like, okay, dad was unbelievable. Dad was prime time. I'm not denying that best corner I've ever seen, but that wasn't what your son was. So I had to make sure this story wasn't from the onion this morning. If the Eagles and Ravens call it any position, just say yes. J-Mac with the news No No no no no

Turn on the news This is the herd line news All right Let's go to the Green Bay Packers, Colin Remember last week They were 2-0 riding high And one of their players said There was Rashid Walker

Was like hey, we could go undefeated Well Matt LaFleur was asked about that Yesterday at media And he made it clear He was not thrilled With that undefeated chatter The goal And I've said it a moment

million times to you guys. I don't think I've obviously said it enough to our team. The goal is to go one and no every week. And it pisses me off when we start talking about things outside of the next game. Pump the brakes on everything. We're just trying to win one game at a time. And like if you're thinking or have your sights set on anything outside of that, I think you got, you're focused on the wrong things. It's a very young team and young players don't always have context. So when young teams, after a couple of wins are like, yeah, undefeated, it's like, bro, this is not the Rani Moss Tom Brady Patriots. This is not what this team is.

It's really, really. Even Jordan Love is still relatively young. And it also shows the NFC now, JMAQ is, I mean, Cleveland's obviously in the AFC, but you're not going to go undefeated in your division. There's too many good coaches, too many good players. Yeah. Interestingly, Packers' offensive line is beat up, but I don't know, is that going to matter against this cream puff defense that the Cowboys have? Russell Wilson and Caleb Williams,

two guys who are not considered top 15 quarterbacks, looked like pro bowlers the last two weeks against Dallas. I don't see how they stopped Green Bay here. What am I missing? Well, also, Green Bay just comes off a really embarrassing loss. Now, the Browns can really play defense, but it's an embarrassing loss for Green Bay. and you warned everybody

stayaway game, not like we had a good week, but that was a stayaway game. I didn't think it would be a loss. They led a ton, nothing in the fourth, but it was a game in which Cleveland is going to keep a lot of high-powered offenses under wraps. You're going to win.

Cleveland's going to lose a lot of low-scoring, ugly games because they don't have a ton of firepower. But I do think when you get embarrassed and for the Packers losing to Cleveland's embarrassing, you generally get a pretty good effort the following week. By the way, The Brown's touchdown drive against the Packers was four yards.

And their game-winning field goal, they went like 16 yards, something like that. Like the Packers defense is really, really good. NCD Lamb sounds like he's going to be out multiple weeks. I don't see why the Packers don't destroy them this weekend. Let's move to the next game, and that's the Chargers, Colin. They're one of the hotter teams in the league, big favorites on the road against the G-Men. Justin Herbert is cooking. He's got to be in the MVP discussion.

Despite taking 14 hits and getting sack five times, he came through late when it mattered most again. Super clutch to set up the game-winning field goal. His right tackle, Trey Pipkins, gushed about Herbert saying he led us the entire time. If that's not MVP, I don't know what is. Now, obviously, week three, you don't want to be like, who's the MVP? Like, it's goofy. That being said, Justin Herbert is playing at an MVP level right now. Yeah, he comes on our show later today.

He's also getting hit constantly. He got hit 14 times. and it was so funny listening to Jim Harbaugh. He doesn't even wince. He doesn't show it. I'm going to ask him about that because, I mean, he got bounced around in that game. He really did. It's like Lamar Jackson last night.

You got to give the Lions credit. Aidan Hutchison. I mean, how lucky are Lion fans? Michigan guy becomes Lion's star. I mean, Lamar Jackson got hammered last night. Jordan Love this weekend got hammered. So to have a quarterback that's big enough and physically strong enough to be able to handle those hits.

There's not a lot of great O lines in the league. You can name them, but there's a ton of good pass rushers. So, I mean, I think so much of this league for quarterbacks is availability and durability, and it's amazing how often Herbert gets hit and just bounces right back up. And I know there's this narrative. Oh, well, what is Herbert won?

Like, that's a little goofy. He was throwing to tight ends and Ladd-McConkie last year. That Keenan-A-Lowman move, you know, we could look back on this in James. senior and be like that was one of the three biggest acquisitions in the offseason. Because with Keenan Allen, doesn't Herbert just look, it looks so confident throwing to this guy? Well, the other thing that he's done is he's empowered the players there were already there. Quentin Johnson looked like a bust.

And now Quentin Johnson is absolutely a huge part. He is their downfield passing attack. So again, Harbaugh creates this self-belief where he loves and believes in his players. And Quentin Johnson had a drop issue. And drop issues are often confidence. You know, lack of confidence. Quentin Johnson will still drop some balls, but he is a big part of this offense. And by the way, the final note, we had him on the show when I filled in Dicker the kicker.

He's like automatic. He's not quite Brandon Aubrey, but he's like maybe the second best kicker in the league at this point. Chargers are so well-built. Special teams, as we know, matters significantly right now in the NFL. Final story, Con, is the Eagles in their comeback win over the Rams was pretty thrilling. Remember, the offense was struggled in the first half, had like 33 yards, then well. went off in the second half. So there were some theory floating around

that Jalen Hertz was calling plays. I don't know if you saw this. And of course, Nick Siriani, a walk-around guy who likes to take credit. Here we go. Kevin called the plays yesterday in that second half. Jalen, but make no mistake about it, like Jalen does a great job of communicating.

Jalen sees the field really, really, really well. He can come back and, and tell you what happened without even looking at the picture. And then you look at the picture like, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Jalen has a great feel for how that's going. And so there's communication, right? There's talk through it, you know, everything like that. You know, but yeah, Kevin called the plays.

You know, Kevin will continue to call the plays. Yeah, it doesn't really matter. All I know is Hertz had a great second half. He is inconsistent. He has bad halves, but in that second half. Let's settle down. I know you're like Hurtz. You don't love him.

Colin, you love that Rams defense. They're an elite unit. Oh, I know. Look what he did in the second half against him. 17 of 24, 209, three tuddies. J.ler-Hertz is elite. Okay? And sometimes when you're struggling,

sometimes you just toss it up to J. Mack and I'll see if I can bail you out. He was doing that with A.J. Brown. Was he not? Second half, let me just throw it to A.J. Brown. He's catching everything. Poor guy on the Rams. Well, it also, it was a good long.

to the Rams because they see they have an unsolvable problem, like the Ravens. They need a big, long corner. They need size at corner. You're not beating the Eagles and AJ Brown. You're going to get beat eventually if you're the Rams. If I don't care who it's going to be, but AJ Brown is a problem for the Rams secondary. They don't have any personnel to stop. He dominated physically those players.

Frankly, not a lot of teams do, but I think you're right. Like the idea of a shopping list for teams, like the Rams, they got to go get a cornerback, you know? And I'm very curious. The Eagles this week, they face the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Mike Evans, they just announces out. Do the Eagles have any needs, Colin? Or are they like, hey, we're Super Bowl ready.

We got a tight roster. Well, yeah, maybe another corner somewhere. Yeah, that would be it. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline news. So this is breaking news. It is what most of us predicted.

You, the fans predicted it. It was pretty easy to see coming. The New York Giants have named Jackson Dart as the new starter. The Giants are 0 and 3 outside of that Dallas game. They can't move the ball. J. Mack and I have discussed this before. I don't ever remember a quarterback going from elite to nobody wants to be his coach faster than Russell Wilson.

Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, both moved off him quickly. He went to the Steelers. They moved off him. and now Brian Dable is moving off him as a starter. So Jackson Dart, again, you had a very small sample size. But my take is there's five or six quarterbacks next year that could go in the first or early second round or about there. Right, you've got to figure out if Jackson Darts the guy.

I'm not looking for wins with Jackson DART. I don't care if he wins game. Is he comfortable? Does he see the field? You know, my take is the Russell Wilson thing. I've never seen anything like it. Russell Wilson did not have a major injury, and Pete Carroll couldn't get rid of them fast enough.

Sean Payton's like I'm done. Pittsburgh moved off him, and the Giants now after three games, it's enough. So we'll see. This is not a team that's going to win a lot of games. The good news for the Giants is they're going to have a top five or six draft pick. and you got a lot more leverage. There's going to be a lot of teams needing a quarterback,

and if Jackson Dark can play, and you discover it here in the next 10 weeks, 13 weeks, you don't need a quarterback. I don't know the answer to that. I thought he was kind of a second-round guy, but I also thought Shador Sanders was a late for a second-round guy, and he dropped to the fifth. Speaking of guys who have had doubters,

so at the end of yesterday's show, I made a point of informing the, audience that the highest-graded quarterback in the NFL this year is not Josh Allen. It's slinging Sammy Darnold, former USC Trojan, a guy I have loved since I saw him as a sophomore with the Trojans. And it was interesting. I was thinking about this this morning between Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold's resurgence. If you go back to that draft class that also included Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson,

four different quarterbacks who have made the Pro Bowl. It's one of the best quarterback classes in hindsight in 30 years. You have four Pro Bowl quarterbacks and two MVPs. Not a lot of quarterback draft. The one coming up this year is not going to give you that. So at some point, all of them were doubted. Lamar Jackson out of college was doubted. Can he play quarterback?

Josh Allen's first year? It was a turnover disaster. More picks than touchdowns. Sam Darnold, multiple issues. Baker mostly maturity issues. So the last two years, the number say, is the winning as quarterback in the league and is the best big play

quarterback in the league. Now, do I think Donald's the best quarterback in the league? I do not. Do I think he's a top five quarterback? I do not. But I always said he is a franchise quarterback. Big, tough, athletic, coachable, leadership skills,

players, teammates love him. And ask yourself, what are the Panthers and the jet stun since he left? But Donald's the classic example, he needs structure. It's just like some kids manage themselves.

A lot of young kids need strong guidance from parents. And if you have three or four kids, one of them kind of manages himself. Not everybody needs a trainer to stay in shape. They're self-motivated. A lot of people need guidance, a trainer,

and health. Something to push them. Sam needs structure. Even last year with a Vikings, he had about a five-game stretch. Reckless came back. So Seattle, what are they? Excellent defense. One of the top two, three run-centric teams in the NFL.

So they create a structure. Sam, we're going to be run first. A lot of play action. And Sam, you won't have to get in track meets. Nobody's scoring 30 on us. So that gives Sam the classic structure, which he has always thrived at. But he can get loose, even with Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, he can get loose.

Got to bring him back in. And again, some kids manage themselves. Some people don't need a trainer. Those are, that's very rare. Most people, myself included, I need structure. Sam needs it. Matt Hasselbeck earlier this week on what Seattle has created and provided to allow Darnold to flourish. When offensive linemen get to fire out and play run action at least half the time, it helps everything.

And I think that's the thing that some people do well. Some people talk about it, but don't do it as well. Seattle, I would say week two and week three, they've figured that out. And so, you know, if you can continue that, I think that Sam Darnold can have the kind of year that he had last year without Kevin O'Connell, without Justin Jefferson. and he's playing really, really good football right now. Look at that draft class. We thought it was two stars and a bunch of misses. And now it's Allen, MVP, Lamar MVP, and Baker and Darnold on really team-friendly deals have made Pro Bowls.

So again, Baker is a better fit in Tampa than Cleveland. Darnold, great fit in Minnesota that tried to resign him. Excellent fit in Seattle because they've created, limited, they've created great structure. they're not asking him to throw 45 times a game. There's about three quarterbacks in the world that can do that. And one of them, Justin Herbert's around the corner. Plus Herd hierarchy. Nick Wright, Greg Olson, great show on a Tuesday.

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Well, no quarterback in the last two decades for the Chargers has been hit as many times as Justin Herbert got hit against the Denver Broncos. Obviously, they've got some offensive line injuries. The Broncos are a great front. And Justin Herbert, one of the most likable, humble guys, has given us 10 minutes today, which I totally appreciate that. And he knows that he's joining us live. So Harbaugh said yesterday, Jim is funny. He's like, you know, Justin gets hit. He never shows it.

He never winces. He's just like a superpower. And I thought, driving in today, I thought, do you ever get hit Sunday? And it really hurts. I mean, it really hurts. But you know you have to go back into the huddle and you can't show that. Are you ever in some pain and you're just masking it and not letting your teammates know? Yeah.

Well, first of all, thanks for having me. Always look forward to being on the show. and that is a good question. There were a couple times in the game where I was maybe a little slow to get up, got back to the huddle, and I might have called the play a little slower for the guys, and so they might have recognized that. But as long as Coach Harbaugh thinks that, then, you know, that's great for me. Justin, when you get hit, and again, all quarterbacks get hit,

Lamar Jackson last night, got sacked seven times. It's the reality of the NFL. There's great athletes up front. How do you not hear footsteps? How does it not affect you later in a lot? a game. Yeah, that's a really tough thing. And I think that's part of playing quarterback of understanding that you're going to get hit and the defenses that you're going up against are really fast and athletic. And you just got to have enough time to get the ball off and understanding

that those split seconds of, you know, if I stand in the pocket for, you know, just a half second more, I can get the ball off and we can have a big play. It makes it all worth it. And obviously, we do a great job taking care of our bodies. And, you know, we've got a training staff second to none. So knowing that, you feel comfortable going out there. So the first time Jim Harbaugh came up to you pregame and it started banging on your shoulder pads. I mean, that's what he does now. And I actually think it works. It kind of like it startles you. You're getting the good gym. I thought Jim was a little crazy. And then he came to the Chargers and he's like, likeable Jim and funny Jim. I mean, that's all you know, right?

You only know that gym. Yeah, that's all we know. We just know the most authentic competitor, you know, cares so much about the team, about winning, about football, and he'd do anything for us. And, you know, when I first got on the sideline and he was hitting my pads and things like that, I just thought it was awesome. He kind of explained the story about, you know, getting that first hit.

And, you know, as soon as you get that first hit, you're ready to go. And so he felt like if he could do that before the game, then there's no time wasted. Quentin Johnson worried me. He had drops. It looked like he almost lacked confidence. Well, that's over. You guys have been aggressive.

He is the downfield weapon. Can you take me a little bit into the off season of taking a guy that had talent, wasn't quite there yet, whatever you guys did, but it feels like he's turned a corner. Yeah, Q's done such a great job. And I think one of the really special things about him is he had a great year last year. It was kind of a quiet or great year. And I think he had eight touchdowns and caught a whole bunch of yards. And, you know, he came back this year and he's just continued to work.

He's continuing to get better. And he's having fun. He's playing confidently. And he's making a bunch of plays. There was a play that, you know, he went up and caught a 50-50 ball on Sunday. And obviously it was an irresponsible throw by me. But to have a guy like that to go up and get it and, you know, kind of save me was really cool to see. what do you do when you get hit 14 times

take me behind the curtain what is your Monday rehab like what did you just don't tell me you just go get a Frapachino and just sit in the couch what is Monday rehab like yeah I actually get in the pool and I move around in the pool you know I think it's easier on my joints

and whether it's swimming running it's good to just get movement I do a lot of icing on my shoulder you know I think I threw the ball a bunch And it's kind of the game that we knew was going to happen. We know how good their front seven was. And watching the film of the quarterbacks the week before, they had to move a bunch and they had to throw on the run.

And that's just kind of what you had to do against the Broncos. And obviously we do a good job. We've got all the facilities here at our team facility. So it makes my job so much easier. So you had 36 pass attempts. That's what you're kind of doing on a weekly basis. It was closer to 29 last year. How does that change?

change prep for you. Now you may say, oh, it's only seven pass attempts, but you got some offensive line injuries. So is your mindset change a little bit, Justin from last year, like, hey, I'm going to get up near the 40s here. Like that do you, are you a little more, are there certain throws now? You'll like hold it back and think, hey, I got 40 pass attempts. It's the first quarter. Does it change anything for you psychologically? Not so much. I think the thing that we do recognize is, you know, there are multiple ways to winning football game. And whether that's thrown it 40 times or whether we're going to run the ball 40 times, you've got to put the team in a position to win. And understanding that the defense that we

have, that they're going to force a bunch of stops and turnovers and you just got to be smart with the ball. And I think as long as we're limiting turnovers, scoring in the red zone and converting on third downs, which I think we've done a pretty good job of the past couple of weeks. You know, I'm happy to throw the ball as much as I can. Explain to me how Keenan Allen, multiple surgeries, he's not a four. a 4-38 guy anymore, a 4-4 guy. How does Keenan Allen get open on every third down? His entire career, explain it to me.

He, just the way he works, routes, his understanding of defenses and leverage, I don't know how he does it. He came a few weeks ago, maybe three, four weeks ago, and picked up the offense, like he'd been running his entire life. And I've never really seen anything like that. And that's how you can tell. You know, he's a true pro.

He's one of the best to ever do it. And he's just so smart. He understands how defenses are trying to play him and where to go. And it's basically like having another quarterback out there. Yeah. Your relationship with him, all young quarterbacks need somebody they can trust. He's your trust guy. Do you guys have like an unscripted language eye contact, like on that big play this weekend?

Did you know it was going to him? Did you sense it was? I think that's where we're just so lucky to have him. You know, especially when I came into the league to have him and Mike Williams, where we're two guys that kind of just showed me the way and just were true receivers. And sometimes you're taking for granted. But that play, no, I break out of the pocket. And I know that he's the first to react.

He sees what I'm doing and takes off. And, you know, as long as you're the first to react and you've got a shot to make something happen downfield. And even if it is a 50-50 ball, Keenan Allen, you know, he's a huge body. he's so talented and athletic. I know he's going to go fight for that ball. And didn't see the actual catch, but watching it on the replay was pretty cool. Yeah, it was. By the way, Oregon's at Penn State this weekend.

It's going to be the biggest game of the college football weekend. How can you, do you have time to ever watch those games? Yeah, I always make time to watch Oregon. You know, growing up a duck fan playing there. You know, it's been so fun to watch them play. And, you know, I think that's kind of the cool thing about going to the Big Ten and playing all these fun teams is you're going to go to the East. Kosin, you're going to have some big games. And, you know, not always was that the case in the

Pac-12. And, you know, I know the Ducks are really excited. And, you know, Eugene is loving it, too. So it's really cool to see. So our graphics department thought they were very funny yesterday, because I said you and Harbaugh's as good as Reed and Mahomes. It's just a perfect, if Jim could go to a lab and build a quarterback, and I swear to God, he would build you. Humble, hard work and tough. You were Jim. You just have a better arm than Jim had. And so our graphic department thought it was very funny. And they made up all these Simon and Garfunkel and yeah, you guys, they just thought that was the funniest thing in the world. What else do we have? Mario and Luigi, I think was on that. Yeah, there we go. When you look at Harbaugh, if somebody never met Jim

and you said, hey, Colin, come on over to my place. I want to introduce you to my head coach, Jim Harbaugh. Would you warn me? What would you say about Jim Harbaugh? Somebody, like a Batman and Robin. What would you say to me if I'd never met Jim Harbaugh, how would you explain him? I would say this guy loves football. I've never met anyone that loves football more than he does.

He thinks about football when he wakes up and thinks about football when he goes to bed and he wants to win. And I think the coolest thing about him is he's a competitor. If we have any games going on, he's going to try and beat you. Whether we're playing ping pong. whether we're, you know, playing cornhole, it doesn't matter. He's going to do everything he can to win, and he's going to find, you know, your weaknesses, he's going to watch film on you, he's going to ask questions, and he loves the game. So it's really cool to see.

15 seconds. Has he ever been mad at you? There are definitely been times where he's mad at me. Whether I'm throwing the ball down field irresponsibly laid over the middle, you know, he tells me to just check the ball down, you know, go to the next play and be smart with the ball. But there are definitely times where we're talking about practice or in the game for sure. Hey, man, it's great seeing you. You look fantastic. You're crushing it.

Try to stay upright. Between you and Lamar, I don't like my star quarterback's getting hit like that. Congrats on all your success. I'll do my best. Thanks again for having me. All right, Justin Herbert, one of the truly great guys. I've said this before. We are lucky that all the star quarterbacks in this league, it can be Lamar, it can be Mahalms, it's Herbert, it's Jalen Hertz.

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