The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - Thoughts on Lamar Jackson

Episode Date: March 10, 2023

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Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for the great Colin Cowherd. Fox Sports Radio in the IHeart Radio app on a Friday, Friday, two days away from Selection Sunday. Any minute now, you feel like Aaron Rogers could be traded or retire or whatever. we have a nice little distraction of a, I don't know if you want to call it a rivalry, something between the Grizz and the Warriors. And we got a lot to talk about. Lots to talk about it.

Let's start with Lamar Jackson. Okay, so this continues to be a topic. I just did a spot on DC radio, and they were like, well, we take a break from talking Lamar Jackson. Don't take any break from talking Lamar Jackson. It's fascinating. Fascinating. I mean, sometimes, like, I'll let you inside kind of the beltway here. There are some topics that we kind of have to talk about, right? When you're doing national radio,

you don't talk about what you want to talk about. You're talking about what the most people want to talk about. Sometimes you have to deal with topics that you just, it doesn't wake you up in the morning, right? It doesn't perk you up. It's just like, all right, I got to talk about it. Because that's what the most people want to talk about and that you lose some energy. This one's fascinating to me. Because it brings in the emotion of people who don't really know the business, the idea of the new age quarterback, the challenge of what does an agent actually do,

how negotiations actually take place, how you establish somebody's value, right? Charles Robinson is a really talented writer. I know he has a pod as well. He's good, man. He writes for Yahoo Sports. So what he did was his job. And I challenge all of us in broadcasting to do our job on some level.

And the easiest way to do your job is to ask people, ask people who are actually in the field. What's really going on here? What do you really think? It's one of the things I shared this with you yesterday about RG3, where RG3, his first tweet was like, man, something's up. Then all of a sudden, three hours later, he tweets, Team Source told me they just want to let them see the market so it helps them in negotiations.

Oh, it's not personal. It's just why would we negotiate against ourselves? There's rule number one in negotiations. Don't negotiate against yourself. The other rule is you're worth what somebody's willing to pay. All this Twitter value, oh, it's worth it. No, you're not. You're worth what somebody's willing to pay.

Hey. So Charles Robinson talked to a couple agents about Lamar Jackson. And let me give you my thoughts first. Okay. Now, the Lamar Jackson thing is something that it's a, it's kind of like a tsunami where the earthquake happened a long time ago and then it started rippling, rippling, rippling. And really this started back in the NFL draft because it was interesting. If you saw Lamar play his last game at Louisville, he did not look like a starting quarterback in the NFL. He was bad. He played Mississippi State, I believe, in a bowl game, and it was bad. It was bad.

But he was always someone who NFL scouts thought had a chance, but it would take the right offense and some work on his footwork, work on some of the other technique stuff. had to build up his body, and maybe it'd be a short term, maybe it'd be a midterm. It didn't feel like it was long term, but maybe they all wanted to take a look. And I remember getting ready for that NFL draft. I asked a quarterback needy GM, are you bringing in Lamar Jackson? And he said, we can't get a hold of him. What do you mean? So, well, usually the process is you call the agent, you schedule it, you have a workout.

And of course, this was coming off the combine where one of the scouts that said, like, hey, are you going to run with the wide receivers? And in many ways, that scout, and I know the team that asked that, that scout, it was actually more out of respect for the level of athlete that he was. And this became a big, it became, it became a racial thing. It became a little bit of everything, right? but the reality is Lamar Jackson didn't want to run a 40 and you couldn't get a hold of him to have a private workout.

It was really hard because his mom was his agent. And his mom was, it wasn't like she was one of those moms that was on it. Call her, she's on it, schedule it, boom. I would contend that all of this, and I would, it could have been avoided had he had an agent then. There were teams, people thought the patriots were interested. People thought, I mean, there was like five. or six teams that people thought, well, they were kind of interested.

Remember, he, he not only felt he was the last pick of the first round. He was actually the second pick that the Ravens had in the first round that year. So this whole idea of the Ravens saw something that everybody else didn't, maybe, but the Ravens could have taken him earlier in the first round. And you're like, well, why does that matter? Well, if you had an agent, then he probably gets drafted higher. if he had an agent, now all of this stuff would have been settled. And so when you try to explain it and not being an agent and you're going off what other people tell you, it can be really difficult.

That's where Charles Robinson, I think, bridges the gap. Here's two different quotes from two different agents to Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports. Quote one. With Lamar, if they go to that $250 million deal over five years, but it was only $130 million, guarantee. That's their view of him. At that point, the nuance would have been in negotiating details. Can we cut off a year from the deal so we can get to free agency sooner? Can we get no franchise tag and no transition tag clause? We're talking about the mechanisms that allow him to make even more money and get to the market again. There's always ways with an agent to skin a cat. But when it comes to

how Lamar valued himself. Well, we think his agent doesn't mean an effing thing. What you think in the media doesn't mean an effing thing. What other players think doesn't mean an effing thing. A player values himself a certain way. And sometimes that's the only way he can see. Eventually, that's what he gets blinded by. Lamar doesn't want other people's opinions or perspectives on his value.

He has made that clear for five years. Right. and and I that's the betting on yourself and betting your own ideas. But remember, rule number one in businesses, you are what somebody's willing to pay. And while you think, hey, I'm a free agent, no, you're actually not. You're not.

And the Ravens are a very well-run and smart organization. Like, look, you can say whatever you want about the Ravens and how they've handled this, but the juxtaposition of that with the Cardinals. The Cardinals gave Kyler Murray, who they had questions about a new deal after a third year, a third year which ended in the playoffs, but it was a playoff disaster. Kyler Murray was so bad. He looked like a high school quarterback against the Rams.

Could it have been that he didn't have DeAndre Hopkins? Sure. Could he have been that it wasn't the best coach team in the world? Sure. Could he have been overwhelmed by the Rams pass rush, a team that ultimately win a Super Bowl? Okay. But he looked terrible. And the Cardinals negotiated against themselves.

Oh, well, he took down his stuff off Instagram. So the Cardinals could have had with no negotiation, zero negotiation. That Kyler Murray, not just for the first three years or for the two years after pick up the fifth year option, but essentially you can have him for eight years with no negotiation. So the same thing for the Ravens. Ravens can tag them this year, tag him next year. transition tag in the third year. No negotiation. You're not really a free agent. So the old value in yourself, that's great. That's how you see it. But you got to got to get the landscape of what

everybody else thinks and what's actually possible. Here's another agent. The last thing you want to do in the situation is back a team into a corner. When you're so far apart, you're basically saying no, and then asking them to negotiate against themselves. Owners aren't going to react well to that, especially when you've repeatedly asked them to do that. And with players, their ego is important in negotiations. You never want them to feel like they're eating ass sandwich during the process. It makes them feel bad about negotiations and the job they did as players. There has to be some flexibility.

Look, I understand that if you told somebody you're an agent, it's really interesting. Like, if you said, like, what do you do? Like, I'm a player agent. There's this thought that you're somehow saying, some like sleazy nefarious character. Like we all have this image of sports agents and we think like they got to have expensive suits, really nice watches, you know, alpha personalities probably still jelling their hair, right? Like there's some sort of like use car salesman with a degree, maybe a law degree.

When the reality is like they're a buffer, a needed buffer, not just for, between the team and their client, but between the client and their team. There's favors that can be done when a guy represents a lot of different people. Hey man, help me out here. I'll help you out with Lamar. Help you out with Lamar. I'll help you out here. That actually happens.

That's called business. It's not just the cutting off the extra year. There are makeable bonuses. There are ways to wire in money and make it look better and make the player feel better. when you negotiate yourself, oftentimes you're going to hear things you don't want to hear. And as much as we like to think, a Lamar Jackson, hey, he believes in himself. He's betting on himself. Lamar Jackson hasn't taken a lot of criticism from people who have ever been around him.

Like, do you think Bob Petrino was ever openly critical about Lamar's flaws when he was at Louisville? No. Not when he was recruited, not when he's played. So you've built up this artificial ego and now you put them into the deep end with a team in negotiations and there's a reality to it. And when they're trying to make their point, like, why wouldn't you give them a more? Well, like, hey man, he's missed 15 games the last two years. He's the most inaccurate passer in the NFL as a starting quarterback. He's still effective, but we're not as good.

When our defense isn't as good, and the more money you make, the less money that we can spend on the defense. I love the idea of going to, right, going to agents, going to general managers, and getting the real granular details. And the takeaway is we live in an era of DIY, right? Somehow DIY has become the thing. Do it yourself. There's even a TV network that has changed their name to DIY. Oh, hey, man, you want to redo the, they take the stucco off of your house. You want to smooth that stucco.

You got popcorn ceilings, DIY. Why would you pay some contractor to do it when they're going to overcharge you? They might not show up and you can do it yourself. DIY. You know why? Because it's a lot harder to do yourself. It just is. It just is.

I'm not a contractor. I don't know how to do stucco. I don't know. There's just things. I don't know how to do it. So why would I do it? You know, negotiate. You know, maybe not take the top bid, maybe not take the bottom bid,

find something in the middle, let them do it. Same thing with an agent. Same thing with an agent. I mean, even it's simple as changing your own oil. I learned probably 20 years ago to change my own own, 25 years ago, changed my own oil on a car. I had a Ford F-150 at the time. And I want to change my own oil.

Like, wow. am I spending 20 bucks to change the oil when I can do it myself? It's like you just take out one cap. It drains out. Okay. You change the filter. You pop the filter in. You put it in there. That way you know it's done. You know, you know it's done right. That sounds great. Okay. But one, makes a mess. Two, you got to have, you know, one of these oil pans to collect it. Okay. Then you got to make sure you put the cap on. You lock it in tight. And then what do I do with the oil? Now I got to transport it somewhere where it can be, where it can be, uh, you know, disposed. From changing the stucco with the popcorn ceiling to changing your oil or changing your tire,

you can do all these things yourself. But if you're making $150, $200 million, for a couple percentage points, hire somebody else. It makes it a lot easier. It makes your life easier. Your negotiations easier. It keeps you out of the fray. It doesn't get personal. And all you end up doing is cameras clicking, signing it.

signing a new contract. I guarantee this. There's people listening that, if you've been divorced, if you are divorced, you ever thought about, doing a project yourself with your wife

or your significant other is the easiest way to start the fissure and break up in a marriage. Well, there's other ways. But it is not a good idea. It is not a good idea. Which feels like what's happened

with the Baltimore Ravens. It feels like Lamar's efforts to do things his own way, to do things himself, be it out of ego or just to save a couple bucks or put a couple bucks in his mom's pocket. Whatever is the impetus behind it, it's created a massive fissure in this relationship. And then, okay, think about if you're Lamar Jackson. He's a younger quarterback. He lives on social media. He lives in the media.

and all he's been told is how great he is for the entirety of his college and now NFL career. And the Ravens essentially put him on blast without intending to put him on blast. Hey man, all we did was let's see what the market bears. And now Lamar Jackson's being told that five, six, seven quarterback needy teams aren't interested. Now look, I could sell it to you as, look, man, it's not that they're not interested. They just, you know, the owners don't want to pay these five-year guaranteed contracts. But if you're Lamar Jackson, you're being told you're not wanted by teams that need quarterbacks.

How does that feel? And what caused those feelings? The Ravens and the tag, the non-exclusive tag. It creates a relationship that probably is irreparable. The harm is irreparable. but by all means, do it yourself, America. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. Coming up next, I'll get a former player's perspective

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Get ready for a great weekend. K.J. Wright joins us. You know, he played 11 years in the National Football League. Of course, was part of that Legion of Boom, the Seahawks. And what an amazing run that they had. KJ, thanks so much for taking part of your day to join us. Let me just start with who. Did you have the same agent all 11 years in the NFL?

I did not. I had two. Todd France and Bus Cook. Okay. What was the process like when you're in a contract negotiation? It is stressful. It's intense. You feel extremely disrespectful when that first offer comes on the table.

And you're just going back and forth. How dare they say that about me? How dare they offer me these crumbs? trade me, I want to be here anymore. And then they come to a number you're happy, I love this place. I want to play here the rest of my life. So it's a bunch of emotions mixed in one.

It takes about three weeks for it to give me my first one done. But you best believe it's definitely intense. Could you have could you have done it without an agent? I could have, but my anxiety would have been on a million.

And it's funny, I was talking to Bobby. Both Bobby and myself You know, Bobby representing himself. Bobby Wagner, by the way, I just want to make sure Bobby Wagner. I know who you're talking about it. Just, go ahead. You're talking to Bobby Wagner. And Bobby Wagner, he did, and we were reading books.

We were going over stuff. And I watched Bobby do it. And he was phenomenal at it, but you best believe, just sitting face-to-face with the general manager, talking to the money man, and just going back and forth, and they just, essentially, we look at it for me this amount of money. I'm the best in the business. I'm the best in our face. How dare you offer me this amount of money?

I'm the best in the business. If you don't want me here, just say it. But he definitely carried it with class, but you can just see the stress and the anger when it comes to making those big-time decisions when it comes to millions of dollars. How much of not having an agent do you think is why the Lamar thing has gotten to this point?

I think it has a majority to do with it. And it's Lamar Jackson and it's his mom, to my knowledge. Right. And he best believes that, first of all, agents don't want to see this. Agents don't want for players to empower themselves to be sitting at the table because they're out of jobs. At the same time, owners and general managers, they don't want to see this.

They don't want to. The system has been the same way for the last 50, 60 years. And you best believe that when they see a young man asking for over $200 million in guarantee, they don't want to see this become a trend in the end. NFL. And so when we talk about collusion, we talk about colluding, you best believe that the owners have all said, we do not want to see this continuously happen with these players. And so it sucks to see this happen to them. All these teams that have terrible quarterbacks on their football teams saying that they're out of one of the best players. So it's something that's

not proven. So you think they're colluding? Are they colluding? Or are they simply going like, hey, that's a, why should we copy? Why should we arrive? I mean, is it colluding or is it arriving at the same conclusion where the Deshaun Watson contracts a bad contract? Plus, you'd have to give up two first round draft picks. Right? I mean, like, look, I mean, Lamar's a very, very talented quarterback.

But he's missed 15 games the past two years. Okay. And he hasn't, the MVP was three years ago, but whatever. Like, look, let's not take away from Lamar and how good he is. because not every, it's not, you can't measure out quarterbacks. Some aren't as good, and they've gotten big contracts. But that's the only one like that. The rest of them, why would you give him five years guarantee

when he hadn't been healthy the past two years? And every other contract since Deshawn's has not looked like Deshawn's contract. And here's the thing, Lamar Jackson is looking, he's just looking at the contract. He's not looking at the situation. The scenario, he saw Deshawn Watson, who was on the couch for it felt like two years get a guaranteed contract. Here I am,

top five best players in the NFL. That is the standard. That is the market. The way he got it has nothing to do with me. And so to answer your question, is it collusion? Yes, it's a system. It's a club where these owners are saying, hey, we love our money,

and if we do it for Deshaun Watson, we did it for Kurt Cousins, we do it for Lamar Jackson. You best believe when Joe Burrow comes and Herbert comes, they're going to want the same thing, and that puts our business at risk. And so it is a collusion. KJ, that's not true. That's not the way it works.

If they don't spend money on Lamar, they don't give the guaranteed money. That money's still getting spent. It just might not be on that quarterback. Right? That money's still getting spent. It has nothing to do with their bottom line. That's to do with, do I want to pay for a guy who's, one, not any good, two, I don't know how motivated he is, but three, most important.

importantly, I don't know if he's going to be healthy. Like, Lamar plays a style which the likelihood of him being healthy in five years, four or five years, is minimal. Right? Cam Newton's built like a Greek god. Okay. And he was dinged up. Lamar is not.

I just, I'm going to, so you think that there's a club that's like, nah, let's all band together and let's not do that. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. You're speaking with authority of something that there is no proof of. Exactly. You know, you call me a conspiracy theorist. You can say, K.C., you're crazy. You can't prove it. But let's not be naive. Let's not be naive in the sense of saying that how magically, when the media come out, the Panthers aren't interested, the Falcons aren't interested. Are you kidding me? This man is one of the best players. Last year, last year before he got injured, he was going, he was headed towards the MVP.

No, he wasn't, KJ. What games did you watch? No, no, he wasn't. He was not headed. Let's go back and watch. You don't go back and watch the film? Yeah. He was the most inaccurate pastor in the NFL of the starting quarterbacks. He's still effective because he's such a freak athlete,

and he's good at the system in which he plays very good. But he wasn't the best quarterback in the NFL. But okay, so, wait, so is the Russell Wilson contract a good contract? Hell no, and I love Russell. Okay. Is the Deshauner Wants? In a contract, a good contract? Garbage.

Okay. So why should I operate a business and go like, hey, here's two contracts that were just signed. They're terrible contracts. Let me give more money, okay, to a guy who's been banged up the past two years when everything that's preceded this has told me this is a bad path. Why should I do that? You know why? Because you know who they're going to do it for?

They're going to do it for it. They're going to do it for Herbert. They're going to do it for Jalen Hurts. they are going to do that for these other quarterbacks coming up. Lamar Jackson, what year is going to year six? These teams are going to continue to pay these quarterbacks big, big time money. They are. They're not going to give them five years guaranteed.

Burroughs not going to get five years guaranteed, and neither is Herbert. There's just not. Here's the thing. Lamar Jackson does not know that. He cannot be the scapegoating and say, oh, they won't do it for those guys. Let me take less. He doesn't know that. All he knows from a player's standpoint is that this country.

exist, I'm better than this player. So this is the standard. You're looking at it from a front office standpoint. I'm looking at it from a reality standpoint. Kailor signed the deal after Deshaun. And I don't think Kyler, I'm not a huge Kyler guy, okay? And I understand. But Kyler's contract doesn't look like that.

Hey? I mean, Derek, and I don't think Derek, I'm not a Derek car guy. I think Kirk Cousins is better to Derek Carr. I think Derek Carr is the most overrated, overhyped quarterback on the market. Okay, but his contract didn't look like that. You know, Daniel Jones didn't look like that. Like, none of the contracts looked like that. And so what you want is you want to repeat the contract you said was a bad contract.

Everybody knows a bad contract. Heck, even Russell Wilson, who I didn't see the fall off coming. I don't know anybody who saw the fall off coming. That's a terrible contract. It doesn't look like Deshawns, but it's got too much guaranteed money. You want them to repeat that just because? I want them to, from Lamar Jackson's standpoint, I want Lamar Jackson to get his market value, period.

And he is getting his market. Your market value is if anybody, if you're out there on the market, and that's what the Ravens. RG3 tweeted this. A team source said, hey, they just wanted to, let's see what the market will bear. You can go get them. You can go get them. You can pay whatever you want.

You can offer them a contract now. Whatever you want. Now, you do have to get two first round picks, okay? But that's part of the CBA. And the market has said as of now, and I think those teams that say they're out, they're out at $250 million. They wouldn't be out if it's $150 million. It's a reasonable deal, which is probably what's going to take place.

But that's what his market. Your market is what somebody's willing to pay you. And right now, no one has stepped up to make an offer above that of the Ravens. And where we're in March now, let's wait. He's standing fast. He's holding steady. He's not budging. Let's wait and see if these teams are willing to go into the season with these mediocre.

average basic quarterback that they have on their franchise. If you want to be great, you want to put butts in the seat, that you have to make a big-time move. You have to invest into your players. And so we'll see. I know that he's one of the best players that I've ever faced, and he's going to hold fast until he gets his contract. What do you think of the possibility of Aaron Rogers on the New York Jets?

And let's talk about, we're going to talk about a guy that, how many Super Bowl has he been to? one one one Super Bowl and they're about to give up potentially two first round picks um fourth round pick from a guy that's 40 years old only been to one Super Bowl one one Super Bowl a guy that debate each and every year whether he wants to play or not play who goes into hibernation for two you is that is that a good deal is that a good move by the new york football jet i don't i don't i didn't read anywhere where they're giving up two first round picks i actually thought that they weren't going to give up any first round picks,

or at least this year's first round pick. I mean, of course, but you'd have to give him up, but you have to give us some money. Well, because there's a lot, a lot to it. It's the money that he lead,

the dead cap money that he leaves behind, whatever. What would I give up for Aaron Rogers? Yeah. The talent of Aaron Rogers is incredible, but like you said, how long is he going to play? And is he going to be all in?

Or is he going to do the bad body language, not show up at OTAs and be, and be the word. that dudes in the locker room call guys that act that way when things don't go their way on a football field, right? I don't know what Aaron Rogers I'm getting. With all that being said, what do you, Doug, give up for Ann Rogers? So what's, tell me what the answer is to the conversation when I go, Hey, Aaron, are you going to come to OTAs?

If the answer is, I'm all in, come to OTAs, I want to, I just want to, I want to end winning. You know he's not coming to OTAs. You know he's not going to take his guys out and invite him over to the house. Let's take a receiver quarterback ship. You're not getting any form of leadership from this guy. You're going to get a guy. Pass. Pass.

Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. And basically learns the playbook and plays on Sunday. Pass.

You're passing on them? Pass. And I think Aaron Rogers, talent-wise, best guy ever seen throw football, right? Does it does everything. Right? But pass. Because that's the, as you played, so you know. Okay.

the other stuff is the stuff that helps you win, sustain winning, because it builds a culture, and he can't build it if that's the way he's going to be. Exactly. I'm glad you said that, Doug. I was getting a little worried about you. We've talked for a while. If you were able to first-fail pick,

there wouldn't be a conversation. Like, I'm not, if his answers are not doing OTAs, I'm a quarterback, I'll show up on Sundays. You know, I'll work in the quarterback room. Like, nah, I'm good. I'll find somebody who wants to be the leader of this team. Right, and I respect and love this game so much. And when I see that type of behavior and actions from Ann Rogers,

I see it as you're doing the game a disservice. I feel like you're doing your rookies, these guys who come in and want to learn from you a disservice to the game. You've got to give back more than you take from the game of football. So when I look at him, I will for sure take a hard path. We're not going to come and invest in this franchise, invest in these organizations, invest in these young guys,

then what are you doing for this club? And so you are talented, you are great, but I need a little bit more if I'm going to pay you this much money. Let me ask you about Seattle, a place, of course, is near and dear to your heart. They re-up, Gino. Pretty reasonable money, not crazy money, right, in the 20s in the first year.

And it feels like it gives them the ability to get a young guy that he can mentor. is this the right decision from the Seahawks? Perfect decision by the Seahawks. It's both a great deal for Gino, great for the club, and you still have the number five overall pick, the number of 20 overall pick to where there's a quarterback on the board that you love, that you believe that can come into your team,

learn from Gino, and then takes the reins once Gino departs, I definitely believe the Seahawks are over to taking a quarterback. And so there's some incredible story by Gino, the way he said back as a backup. This does not happen. You do not sit as a backup for years and get $15 million in your first year of your contract. So very happy for him. I know the fan base is happy.

And so you best believe, come draft time, if they like who they like, the Seahawks will pull a trigger on the quarterback. KJ, you're the best man. Appreciate you, join us. We'll talk to you soon. Always a pleasure, though. All right, let me get you to Ryan Music with the news. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, what's up? Of course you can ask me a question. You're hosting the show. I'm here at your disposal. I love my guy, KJ. He's awesome. Obviously, we disagree on collusion. I think that's putting it very politely. But that's how sports conversations and debates are supposed to take place. Like you say what you said, it doesn't mean we have to convince each other right. Sure.

Who won? Who won? Yeah. Well, I can tell you who I agree with. I tend to agree with you more than KJ. as Colin laid out on this show going back to Wednesday, I believe that it is. I am a big believer that everyone can arrive at the same conclusion without it being collusion. So I guess that means you won because I agree with you. Okay.

But I look, and I love his perspective and I thought the way he positioned it, he's like, look, I'm just, I'm telling you how Lamar thinks. And I understand that's how Lamar thinks. I get it. I get it. You see Deshaun, you're like, I won MVP he had, and I haven't had ACLs, he's had too. But I don't think that there's some sort of nefarious text chain.

Correct. You know, on an app that we can't track where they're like, let's stick it to them. Yeah. I don't. Yeah. I tend to agree with you in that sense. I think there are a lot of factors at play that NFL owners all looked at the situation

and decided we don't think that's a good idea without necessarily having to go behind closed doors or on emails or WhatsApp and be like, hey, can we all just come up with this same idea? So, all right, let's take it in the NFL, Doug. He's back. The man we've all been waiting for, Doug, he's making his return. Odell Beckham Jr. That's right.

He's reportedly hosting workouts for several NFL teams today. The man that all of the league was practically tripping over themselves to try and court last season, despite him not actually being healthy enough to play. But he is ready to go. NFL insider Ian Rappaport is reporting OBJ 100% healthy after deals fell apart last season because teams were not convinced he was physically fit or stable enough while he was recovering from that knee surgery. I am personally out on this whole Odell Beckham Jr. stuff. Yeah, I'm good. I mean, look, I think everything depends upon what the bottom line is. Right. I think I have a lot of it. I think.

no problem having O'Dell Beckham Jr. Remember, you don't really know what you're getting. He's had, what, two ACLs? He's at a broken leg. So the likelihood of, one, him being the same guy he was at an LSU is not strong. But it doesn't mean he still can't be a very good wide receiver at the right amount with the right type of incentive-laden contract. You know, they had no issues with them with the Rams.

But like, the issue he's going to run into is what am I really getting? You know, what am I really getting? Because if you remember last year, they didn't find out he wasn't healthy, you know, until like the week that he was supposed to be cleared. You know, he showed up at Rams games trying to get himself a new contract. He showed up everywhere trying to, you know, trying to make himself know, hey, I'm here. I'm available, I'm ready, and then he wasn't actually ready. So you do that and teams become extra cautious. And the only way to protect yourself is like,

I'm not giving this guy a bunch of money up front, even if he passes the medicals, because I don't know how healthy or how sustainable his health is. So I'm with you. You're talking about big money? Like, no thanks. Long term, no thanks. But if it's a short-term incentive-laden deal,

and I feel like he looks like a guy who, as his body adjust, he can adjust to being a different type of more possession wide receiver, maybe not a number one, more of a number two. I think that's reasonable if it's a reasonable contract. Fair enough. And coming up next hour, we have an update on one of the best quarterbacks at the end of last season and one of potentially the best teams in the NBA and the status of one of their superstars. Ooh, that's a tease in the business.

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So let's give you some background on some of these comments that came out of last night between the Grizz and the Warriors. the comments came out of Dylan Brooks and Draymond Green. First thing is, obviously, the two teams don't appear to like each other. The Grizzlies like to go around the NBA as they want to be the new, I think they want to be the new bad boys of the NBA. They want to be tough guys. And the production in the regular season this year has been outstanding, right? They're 39 and 26.

And, of course, right now they're playing without John Morant because he's out with idiocy. I think that should be actually listed, right? Because we'd all agree that if you're, you know, worth $100 million and potentially could be worth half a billion or even more, when you're on the brink of launching your first ever signature shoe at Nike, when you're one of the new faces of the NBA, the way in which he's been acting and handling himself, getting to some sort of fight at your house with a 17-year-old high school kid playing pickup ball, waving guns around on IG just after a Washington Post article, claims that you're hanging around the wrong crowd and doing the wrong things, you're acting like

an idiot. I don't think he is an idiot. I think he's acting like an idiot. There's a very important distinction there. So, Jaws out with idiocy. And the Grizzlies, they're still pretty good. And oh, yeah, by the way, they mollywumped the Warriors last night. But the important part is the backstory. Here's Draymond on his podcast talking about Dylan Brooks. If you ever wondered why the Memphis Grizzlies is not ready to compete for a championship. Look no further than this idiot right here. They're actually depending on this guy to help them win a championship. And he says his game is cool.

Quite frankly, that just shows how little you know about basketball. And yet, y'all, you running around and talking about a dynasty? The dynasty starts after you, not with you. So here's Dylan Brooks after their win last night. What was the message that you had to dream on? That's what I do. I talk. And, you know, I told him.

I told them that, you know, keep that mic. Keep that mic. He's better at the mic then pooping. You know what I'm saying? So keep doing this podcast. Keep blogging. Keep doing this thing off the court. It's cute.

It's fun. That was an impressive showy tonight. Hey, thank you. Appreciate. You should give the mic to Draymond. What was that? Make them keep talking about me so I can play better. Okay, so here's Draymond, obviously.

Jeremy, obviously, this, he's called a robbery now. It's obviously been he on. It's not called a rivalry. What's that now? This is a rivalry? You want to call it that or not? I mean, you want to call it that, but I would disagree. All right.

Well, you want to call it, I guess. It's a basketball game. Well, I would agree it's not a rivalry. Dreymond went on later on to say the other team's got to win some to be a rivalry. The Warriors tried to start a four-guard lineup. They gave up 48 points in the first quarter. I mean, a game fell over at the end of the first quarter. Warriors did make a third quarter run to make it at least reasonable and then they just got

stomped. Warriors kind of a mess right now, you know? Kind of a mess right now. So trying to figure some stuff out. But I would agree it's not a rivalry. It's a regular season game. And it's going to be very interesting to see what this thing all looks like, you know, what this thing all looks like when you get to the playoffs.

it would stand a reason that the Grizzlies should be as good or maybe even better in the playoffs because they're a very physical team and it gets more physical in the playoffs. Hard to tell, no Wiggins, right? That changes things dramatically. They're still struggling to find, you know, guys inside that can play and get healthy. But I love the back and forth. I don't think anybody enjoys the kumbaya hug it out after every game. Do I think the Grizzlies are a lot more talk than they are substance?

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