The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Thoughts on the Cowboys documentary, Aaron Rodgers not playing in the preseason

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Colin talks about the ongoing contract drama between Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones, and he reviews the new documentary on the Cowboys and why today’s version of America’s Team feels lost compared to when Jerry Jones first purchased the team He discusses Aaron Rodgers not playing in preseason with the Steelers and why he might get off to a slow start in Pittsburgh this yearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for listening to The Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day in the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's a Wednesday. We are live. We're in Chicago. It is the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be watching or listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. John Middlkoff and I here again in tow. So I sat last night, John, and I watched several episodes of the Jerry Jones Netflix special, The Gambler America's team. Highly entertaining. Took a few notes. I know that's dorky, but I had to take some notes. here and it is wild first of all it's another example we saw this with the last dance with Michael Jordan and we see this with Jerry when you're when you're creating something special

even if you're Michael Jordan or you have Jimmy Johnson and Troy Eggman it's hard it's really really hard for Michael Jordan all those years getting tackled by the Pistons and the Celtics but I want to I want to start John with what was and what is with the Dallas Cowboys so let's start with that so I read a story this morning, Micah Parsons and the Cowboys headed towards a divorce and a messy contract saga. So I'm watching that Netflix special last night and what is remarkable? Jerry Jones at that point, it was almost broke. He spent every penny on the Dallas Cowboys. Jimmy Johnson told me that. I mean, he spent every penny on the Cowboys and after the first year,

they didn't know if they were going to make it. Was he going to have to sell the team? But he was so aggressive and so decisive and had such a clear plan, Jerry Jones did. that it all worked. He got Aikman and Jimmy Johnson and Emmett Smith and Michael Irvin and Dave Wansett, and he was patient. And Jerry's still patient, sometimes too much. But what you noticed with that Jerry is the aggressiveness, the decisiveness. He made strong, swift decisions, the Herschel Walker trade, and never look back.

That's not the Cowboys today. where the Dak Prescott or Micah Parsons contracts engulfed camp, engulf the team. And as I was watching that, I thought, you know what? You know who the Dallas Cowboys of that era are? They're the Philadelphia Eagles now. The Eagles have a brand. The Eagles have the most aggressive GM.

The Eagles occasionally make mistakes. Rarely whiff, but they're decisive. They don't look back. If they make a move and they don't like it, they move off it. Carson went immediately. They move off coaches who win Super Bowls. If it's not a good fit today, decisive, push, Sequin Barclay deal.

The Eagles today are the Cowboys and the Netflix special. Dallas now is reactive. Dallas then was proactive. Philadelphia now, proactive. They made a deal three days ago. They're always making deals. And yet the Micah Parsons contract saga appears it's not going to end well. You knew he was an all pro as a rookie.

Do what the Eagles do. Sign him early or trade him and get a fortune. But the DAC, I saw a headline this morning, the Cowboys negotiating tactics have probably cost them approximately $100 million. Think about this. Dak Prescott's cap hit currently is bigger than 8.000. Jay Brown, Sequin Barkley, and Jalen Hertz combined. They don't get deals anymore.

Philadelphia gets deals. Philadelphia is always making moves. Philadelphia is decisive. Philadelphia's got a running play they invented. That used to be Jerry. Remember when he pushed back on the NFL and like a Pepsi deal and the NFL wanted to sue him and I mean, Jerry just, he just didn't. Herschel Walker move, buy this oil well, buy this football team,

fire tech sham fire the late great tom landry didn't pause that's business 100 miles an hour and jerry knew as a is an oil cat or a maverick that you're not going to go 100 for 100 but it didn't stop him now there's video out there him acknowledging yeah i don't have the guts to do what the rams did with golf and stafford i could not do that young jerry could i strongly suggest you watch it because i just couldn't stop thinking those cowboys that's the eagles now kind of the envy of the league we all go like they're a little crazy up in philadelphia i don't know if nick seriani's the guy that's what they were saying about jimmy johnson first couple years away he's crazy that jimmy johnson guy's crazy crazy smart so i mean it just it was amazing to watch how charismatic the cowboys were

and how they lack an identity today. I don't even know what they are. But Jerry, and he has always been a showman. His dad was, cool story. He is on the red carpet for this show. For Jerry, the one thing that remains a constant, he knows the lights are on and he wants to perform. I do believe if we're not being looked at,

brothers. Then I'll do my part to get us looked at. Oh, it's wonderful to have the great athletes, have the great players. But there's something more there. There's sizzle. There's emotion. And if you will, there's controversy. That controversy is good stuff in terms of keeping and having people's attention. Yeah, we're watching. You got our attention. We just don't like the results. All right. So I haven't talked to Aaron Rogers for a few days. It's about time. It's Wednesday. So Aaron Rogers is not going to plan the preseason finale. I'm okay with it. He's sitting the preseason for second straight year he's not playing.

But it's a little different this year. Because if you look at the early schedule for Pittsburgh, first game, Aaron Glenn, defensive guy, Jets. Next game, Mike McDonald, Seahawks. Third game, Mike Vrable, defensive guy. fourth game best defensive coordinator in the league in my opinion brian flores and he's not taking a preseason snap he had an abbreviated offseason so he's never taken a snap snap with dk mccath he's never taken a live snap with arthur smith pf rates the offensive line at 21st and for whatever reason blame who will you want the steelers have not consistently run the ball for about six

years maybe eight and that's aaron's reality so i do think Pittsburgh needs to get off to a hot start. Because in Aaron Rogers' career, there has always been one statistic. There has always been one statistic that is hard to figure out. Aaron Rogers has the sixth most quarterback starts of all time. Yet he is tied for 25th in fourth. quarter comebacks. Peyton Manning 43.

Marino Elway in the 30s. He has fewer than Derek Carr, Ryan Tannahill, Andy Dalton. Well, his teams didn't trail a lot. Did Peyton Manning's? Did Marino and Elway's?

So why does Aaron need to start quickly? Because I've always used that stat. And it belies what I've always thought to be true. Aaron's personality changes based on the score and his performance in

games. One of the things I loved about Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. They do not give a rip if they've got two pick sixes in the first quarter. They'll play their ars off. They are foxhole guys.

They are ballers. They don't care. In-game performance does not change their personality. Sometimes I'd watch Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning after a really bad pick and I'd be like, guys, may I want to scale back a little on the aggressiveness. Peyton was. That's not who Andrew Luck was.

Aaron's different. Aaron gets dark. He gets moody. His demeanor changes. His facial expressions change. He'll throw the ball away. He in-game pouts. That's what describes an otherwise inexplicable stat.

25th all time and fourth quarter comebacks, he's got the six most starts. Is that if Aaron's not playing well, he's trailing late, he kind of bails. And if you look at this schedule, this schedule is defense, defense, defense, defense, elite defensive coaches, and he's never taken a live snap with D.K. Metcalf,

Arthur Smith, it's not a good old line. So I'm not saying he should play it. I don't have a problem with him not playing, but I didn't love the abbreviated offseason, and I don't love it 41 years old. He no longer has the talent to bulldoze mediocre teammates, and Pittsburgh offensively has got to mediocre guys. So Mike Tomlin says he's totally comfortable with Aaron Rogers

not taking a snap in the preseason. I'm comfortable with what I'm seeing out here. Obviously, if I weren't, I would be playing them. Everyone else is under consideration. They're preparing as if they're going to play. There are a lot of variables in it. Who's playing for Carolina and things of that nature that might provide worthy competition?

But as I sit here today, all healthy outside of the four that I mentioned are preparing and scheduled to play. 41-year-old, shaky O-line, no-run game, never taken live snaps in a game with the O.C. or D.K. Metcalf. And by the way, Aaron's a good-looking guy. And I have said before, the league is more interesting with Aaron Rogers playing than not playing. I don't think Pittsburgh is a good fit. I didn't necessarily think the Jets was a good fit.

Deep down, I was rooting for him to go to Minnesota or San Francisco, but the Niners like Brock Purdy and J.J. McCarthy was drafted, so it didn't happen. But I'll say one thing, that cannot be the last helmet he wears. If you're watching me on television, you see this picture. helmet is so outsized, I can see the shadows inside the helmet. He looks like a small plane parked in a delta hangar. Somebody get that helmet fixed for Aaron Rogers. See that thing right behind me? That cannot be the last picture of Aaron Rogers.

Tighten it up, Steelers. You can't get the run game right. At least get the helmet right for Aaron Rogers. Okay, John, I, uh, yesterday, we had some fun on the show where we took the bear schedule. I tried to be optimistic. And I said, life's about happiness is about expectation. So if you really look at the schedule for the bears,

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Caleb Williams, other bear starters, will play in the preseason finale against the Kansas City Chiefs. I am for that in most instances. I do like young quarterbacks taking snaps. So going back to watching the Cowboy

special last night, you just, I mean, you just forget how much patience we used to have with quarterbacks. Troy Aikman just got the, you know what, kicked out of him, for two and a half years. His first two season starting,

forget the fact that he was seven and 19. He had 20 touchdowns and 36 picks. And when he played Philadelphia, he was a pinata. I mean, they were just beating on him. But you know what? They knew his talent, and they stuck with him. At one point in year three,

Steve Berline replaced him when he got banged up. And, I mean, you couldn't tell at the time, are they going to move on with Berline? Was a Notre Dame guy, I think. Burline was kind of a fiery. leader and Jimmy Johnson liked that and Jimmy was cutting guys left and right and you're like

man this thing could go sideways fast it wasn't until Troyickman got an aquarium and Jimmy came over with some Heinekins and they sat down and talked fish and not the band talked actual fish that they got along so it was a different world

and it should be with seven on seven camps the coaching is better offensively I think the Colts should move on from Anthony Richardson. I respected Arizona and Steve Kime moving off from Josh Rosen for Kyler Murray. I probably would have done the same thing. I get that.

The difference with Caleb Williams, though, is A, he's more talented than those guys. And B, Chicago's never had a great quarterback. Unless you count, like, didn't Sid Luckman play in Chicago, I think? Yeah, if a guy's name Sid, it was probably in the 30s or 40s. So Green Bay, the Packers, just a train ride north, have twice drafted a quarterback in the first round and sat him for three years. So they're the ultimate impatience.

But there's an argument to be made that you just have to make Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams work. There's an argument that make it work. Because for the first time that I can remember, the Bears actually got a coach that other people in the league wanted, they usually settle at head coach. And they usually overdraft quarterbacks.

Now, you can look at Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix now, but a lot of people, most people at Caleb Williams, number one. So the two most important people in the NFL to winning, quarterback one, coach two. And my entire life, the Bears settled at head coach, mostly. an over-drafted quarterback. And this time they didn't. They didn't settle.

They got the coach everybody wanted. He was the hot shot, best offensive coordinator in the league several years. They got him. He turned down other teams. The Bears got him, an offensive coach, and Caleb Williams has superstar potential.

What transpires will see. But there is an argument that in a Josh Rosen case, or in a Mitch Trubisky case, or in an Anthony Richardson case, you should be more decisive than you used to be in the Troy Aikman era. And I am in that camp. But there's an argument, just stick it out. Just make it work.

There's going to be bad days. But you've never had a 4,000-yard passer. Get it right. Just figure it out. And we're going to be patient for the remainder of your contract. for Ben Johnson, remainder of the contract, Caleb, remainder of the contract. We're giving you four years. Figure it out.

We know stylistically, you're kind of different. We're sticking with it. We're going to be the most patient team in the league if it looks rocky through two years. Albert Breer went to the Bears camp. Here's what he saw with Caleb. The day I was there, Caleb Williams looked terrible. There's no better, there's no sugar-coating it. What Ben Johnson and his staff were trying to do with Caleb was, let's feed him.

through a fire hose in the spring and then early in training camp. And let's see what he can handle. And let's see what he's good at. And let's see what he's not good at. And let's see how he learns. Let's see how he takes those early lumps and is able to compartmentalize them. And then over the course of camp, the hope was that they would get a more resilient player who's playing faster.

And as coaches, they would get a better idea of what he was best at so they could build an offense based on that. Just saying they're playing against the Chiefs in the preseason. they'll probably win, could be winning again like Buffalo decisively. They need the snaps because they got to make this work. John Middlough for the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Okay, Colin, we're starting to get some good news out of Rams camp.

Matt Stafford was able to practice in full during yesterday's practice a day after making his training camp debut on Monday due to a back issue. McVeigh said that Stafford looked good and has taken steps in the right direction, but he also stayed cautious and avoided any major declarations about his week one availability. Are we sure, Colin, that the Matt Stafford situation is on the up and up, or is this a back issue that's going to, we're going to have to monitor by the day? Well, I mean, if you told me over under on Jimmy Garoppolo playing one and a half games, I'd probably take the over.

Like, here's what I could see, John. I don't know what the Rams schedule looks like, but wherever the Rams buy it, is. I could absolutely see McVeigh saying, you know what? Here's a two-week stretch, Matt, take off two weeks of practice, and the game after the buy play Garoppolo, so Jimmy's got two weeks to prepare. So the buy is in week eight. I could see, I could absolutely see after the game, you know, at Baltimore, at Jaguars, good pass rushes, that McVeigh says, I'm not going to play you, Matt, until the at the Niners game, DeVeigh. rival in week 10,

buy and Saints. I'm giving that to Garoppolo, because the Saints are arguably the weakest team in the league. So after you play teams with pass rushes, Baltimore, Jacksonville, San Francisco, Bosa, I think what they're going to do is fine moments. I also think if this team's defense create some blowouts,

Garoppolo takes fourth quarter snaps. That's not the way it works in the NFL. But I can see them basically, John, taking a very measured and specific approach with Matt, give him snaps off if you can. My question is this. I think the Texans are going to have one of, if not the best defense in the league,

and they got a real pass rush. Same thing with the Titans and same thing with the Eagles. Those first three games, it's inevitable he's going to get hit and he's going to get hit hard. I mean, it's kind of his style, right? He stays in there, he hangs in there, is what makes him an elite player. And the thing with the back, we've talked about this,

Steve Kerr couldn't coach with a bad back. Those get going. You can't even stand up, let alone play NFL quarterback. So this is going to be something to me that worries McVeigh all season long. Collins' next dynasty, the Broncos, have gotten a lot of hype

heading into the season with some picking them as the team to beat in the AFC West over the Chiefs. Most of their success last season could be attributed to the duo of Peyton and Bo Nix. And Payton discussed how the playbook has evolved around his young quarterback. We put it together in

in a way where instead of calling 22 flanker drive halfback burst, you know, we might just call it Uber. Oh, okay, got it. This is a driver. These players are operating and thinking differently and more spontaneously, there's an entirely new element to the RPO's that he's comfortable with, that we're comfortable with, that we've researched and we develop, you know, the those into the plan.

So here my take. How many defensive coaches could sit down and do that to the offensive playbook like Sean Payton? If you don't think Bo Nix has an advantage over other young quarterbacks having Sean Payton, we just redid the playbook and shortened it and we're creative. And it's like, that is the advantage to having Cliff Kingsbury for Jayon Daniels, who by the way played quarterback in college. That's Elaine Kiffin at your alma mater, Fresno State.

When you play the position, when you know the position, it is such an advantage that in year two of his growth, we're going to redo the playbook. Well, what's the knock a lot on these young quarterbacks in college? Is their playbook is so simplistic and the verbiage is just one word. Well, the Sean Payton's, the Payton's, the Payton mannings, the Kyle Shanahan's, you got to read a book to call one play. What, Sean Payton, we just changed it. We just call it Uber now and made it easier on everyone, not even just the quarterback, but the other players on the team. So to me, this is evolving. I would imagine all the good offensive coaches are doing this.

You don't just need to be complicated for the sake of being complicated. It's about being efficient and executing and scoring touchdowns. Well, the other thing is between Cortland Sutton, they really love Mims. And there was a story I saw yesterday that the Oregon receiver in year two of Franklin. Think about this, John. If you think your personnel is better, deception. doesn't become as crucial. I mean, take Philadelphia, take Detroit.

Yeah, we like our guys. We're going to run the ball with Jemir Gibbs on third and three. Try to stop us. So I do think when you get a rookie and there's some deception, you're trying to give the rookie space and time. But I think Peyton may look at his personnel and go, you know, we can go toe to toe with Kansas City.

And our young players are developing offensively. If this Harvey kid's as good as everybody says, the second round running back, everybody loves this kid. I do think Pete Carroll once told me this. The better players you have, you should allow them to play as fast as they can. And I think Denver looks at his roster now and thinks we have a top five, six roster in the league. You know, speaking to Pete Carroll, I think if you like the Broncos and I know you do, I do as well,

their comp might be that early Russell Wilson Seattle team, Marshaun Lynch, the defense. And then Russell made plays here and there. And as the season went on, he got a lot better. That to me is their comp. Okay, another team that came on last year kind of out of nowhere, the commanders. They had an incredible season last year, surprising everyone. No one saw that coming. And they lost the Eagles, obviously, in the NFC championship game.

But Jane Daniels and Terry McCloren's chemistry was a big factor for the success. But the wide receiver, he's obviously in the middle of a hold-in and looking for a new deal. McCorm is reportedly looking to land a $33 million a year deal in his next contract and wants a deal similar to D.K. McCaff. Colin, do the commanders and Terry McLaurin need to come to terms just for the sake of Jaden Daniels? Well, you know, it's funny about this. I don't think Adam Peters in Washington should have to pay any player based on a mistake

by another team. I thought the Steelers, I mean, D.K. Metcalf is the most penalized receiver since he entered the league. He can be a bit temperamental. He's a tremendous athlete. met him and like him. But if you told me today, I get McLaren or D.K. Metcalf for three years, I would actually take Terry McCloin. 100%. Because he's just, he fits, it's low maintenance, he's got great hands. I think he runs a greater route tree. I would take Terry McLaren. So that's

always been an interesting thing to me. Fox shouldn't have to pay me what somebody else at another company makes if they view the contract is unrealistic. Now, that's certainly going to be, their argument, but I've always understood that for teams. Like, okay, the Steelers paid this for Medcaf. That's their problem. They don't know what they're doing offensively. I would have no problem paying him in the $28 to $30 million. Put that, guys, put the graphic up again of what receivers are getting paid.

So I would take Terry McLaurin. I would not take him over Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson. I don't think he's as dynamic as C.D. Lamb. but I would pay him more than D.K. Metcalfe Garrett Wilson. So I look at this. I think he's in the Amaran St. Brown class. I think where it gets complicated is there's an, I was told this this offseason with T.J. Watt.

I'm like, do you think that Steelers would trade him? They said even if they thought about it from a financial standpoint, he's the heartbeat and the leadership of the team. He's the team captain, not the quarterback, T.J. Watt with the Steelers. That's kind of been McLaurin on the commanders. Now, Adam Peters might say, well, Jaden Daniels rookie year, he's shifted now. He's the go-to guy. And typically, D.K. Metcalf, John Schneider, widely viewed as one of the best GMs in the league, did not want to give him a third contract.

I know D.K. asked for a trade, but they're like, yeah, sure, see ya. You know, usually these older wide receivers, this is Terry McLaren's third contract. And at the end of the day, Adam Peters and Dan Quinn, I'm sure they really like him. They didn't draft him. He's not their guy. So they're probably open to a lot of different ideas. It's a predicament. To me, it's a tough situation both sides.

Get where Terry's coming from. And I can understand the Washington front office going, is this where we want to invest a lot of our rookie cap space because of Jaden's contract moving forward? You know, John, you're a former NFL scout. You know, Andy Reid, when they brought in Debo Samuel, I liked the move because I thought stylistically and for a young quarterback, he's a chess piece.

For sure. And I think young quarterbacks and Cliff Kingsbury will know how to use a chess piece. What I didn't think about was how it would land for Terry McLaren maybe. And McLaren looked at it and thought, that's fine. But you do get I'm the number one. Like he's the two. He's the chess piece. You don't have to use me as a chess piece.

I can break guys down and get open. I run better. I'm healthier. I'm more productive. Well, and that's the problem. The amount of money Debo's making this year is the last year of his contract. And Terry McLaren is said to make is basically the same. So these are human beings. Terry goes, wait, I scored 13 touchdowns here last year.

This was your guy in San Francisco who peaked three years ago, and we're making the same money. In any line of work, money's all relative. It would tick that guy off. So I understand it was a bold move by Adam Peters. I understood it. I kind of liked it. I think you're getting a motivated Debo Samuel. I do think that impacted Terry McLoren when he just looked at, I'm not making the same as this guy this year.

And his conduct, McLaurin, was better than the former owner. conduct. So McCloren's like the whole operation was a circus. I was the adult in the organization. The owner was inappropriate. I was the good guy. That does have value to me. I think beyond his production, the second most leverage Terry McLorn has is him the human being. Totally. This has been a tire fire, a hazmat spill of a franchise. And he was the guy you were like, what a professional. What a grown-up. He's just, every day, he's just punching the card, showing up for work. Absolutely that has value in any industry.

Agreed. John Middlough for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd-line news. You know, especially, it's like, I understand back in the 70s and 80s if rock stars trashed hotel rooms, right? But if you didn't, and you didn't cost me as a manager,

like 40 grand every rich Carlton you stayed at. There's value in that too. Being a grown-up, even if you don't quite sell as many tickets to the concert, being lower maintenance, being an adult, not everybody's Taylor Swift. Not everybody was Van Halen in the 80s. Not everybody is Randy Moss talented. So if you're, the Amaran St. Brown is really good. Total adult, total grown-up.

Great Rout Tree. mentoring the locker room, unbelievable film room, better every week. Like, you don't have to be, I mean, there's like one Justin Jefferson on the planet. There was one Jerry Rice, one Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss. Below that, how you behave matters. I know it shouldn't at wide receiver. It does. I'd pay Terry McLaurin because I like the human.

Amaran St. Brown to me at $30 million. I'd argue he's underpaid. I mean, outside of Penaise, Sewell. I mean, like, that's the heartbeat of the offense to me. Not the quarterback. All right. Is it possible? Quarterback is undervalued in the NFL.

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Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coulthura Podcast Network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, I love when players are brutally honest. Quentin Nelson, Colts, Chris Ballard drafted him years ago. And, you know, people are like, whoa, whoa, interior offensive linemen. The guy's a stud. He's a leader. He's a stud.

And I was just thinking about this, I honestly believe quarterback in the NFL is undervalued, underpaid and underrated. And I know that sounds crazy. But I want you to listen from an offensive lineman's perspective, because the Colts are now on their 11th starting quarterback since Andrew Lachkes. who I love, but hosed them, retired right before the season. Now, again, guys can retire when they want to retire. Timing wasn't great, but he was in pain, and we all understood at the time.

You got to take care of your body, your family. But listen to Quentin Nelson's perspective of what has happened to the Colts at quarterback. Total honesty. You know, you look around the league and see just like the consistency of having like Patrick Mahomes or like a quarterback behind you that's like been the franchise player for years and years and years and getting to build that chemistry with that quarterback year after year is something that there is an advantage to.

Yeah. You ever notice that Travis Kelsey and Mahomes, or Brady and Edelman and Gronk on those third and fourth downs, it's like they can read each other's mind because they can. Right? I mean, when you watch these great connections between the quarterback and the receiver, yeah, Jeff Saturday and Peyton Manning center quarterback for years. It's like those guys, Jeff Saturday and Peyton Manning, two smart guys,

they knew what each other was thinking when Ray Lewis is sneaking up on the line, they know exactly what the other is going to do. Like there are just, I feel bad for the Colts. And I've said this. Think about this. This is why I think quarterbacks undervalued. Think about all the good players. The Cleveland Browns in recent years have drafted. Nick Chubb, Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward, David and Joku, the guard, Joel Betonio, tremendous guard. They have hit on, they built a great offensive line. They built a great offensive line. They stole Nick Chub in the second round. They can't get a quarterback right.

And they may have the worst team in the league now. They're going to keep four quarterbacks. None great. Houston, the McNair ownership, was arguably the bleakest ownership situation in the league. They were the three previous years before C.J. Stroud landed there. This is nothing against Amico Ryans. But the three years before C.J. Stroud losingest franchise in the league, dead last. people last year like they took a step back i don't know maybe your tv doesn't work mind us they made

the playoffs in the a fc that was a down year for houston c j stroud the packers have been consistent for 30 years there is one reason because none of you like mike mccarthy they're always good at quarterback i mean the tampa bay bucks went 17 years 17 with a lot of good players without winning a playoff game, got Brady Super Bowl, got Baker playoffs. I think quarterback is undervalued. I have said that I think

analytics can be overvalued by the nerds. I think three-point shots are great over the course of a regular season. But I don't think the statistics work in the playoffs where in the NBA, mid-range jumpers

and physical play matter in the playoffs. In baseball, analytics. What are you kidding? In baseball playoffs, you'll bring a starter out of the bullpen. I mean, it's just baseball and basketball playoffs are different. In the NFL, I don't care what the analytics say. If Andrew Luck had been able to get healthy, this team would have been a Super Bowl team.

I mean, I would trade the Colts roster for the Bengals today, especially O-line run game, head coach. I would trade the Colts and the Bengals roster today. I looked at the NFL odds on the Bengals. People are like, you know, they got a shot. It's not the roster. It's not the defense. It's not the run game. The head coach is okay.

Owners bad. Joe Burrow is single-handedly, has them in the Super Bowl bubble. So, I mean, the commanders. I really like Dan Quinn. Dan Quinn with Sam Howlett quarterback is not getting to the NFC championship. So you can talk about analytics all you want in sports. It's just a quarterback, and that's why I have defended the Indianapolis Colts on the 11 quarterbacks. If Andrew Luck had retired even mid-season, Thanksgiving, or right after the season.

Okay, Ballard and the guys in the front office can figure it out. But retiring right before the season, I'd actually argue that Colts have done a fairly remarkable job. They got Carson Wentz, who had 27 touchdown seven picks, was actually successful. Erce didn't want him. Philip Rivers won 11 games was successful. I mean, actually, there's been moments with Joe Flacco and Philip Rivers and Carson Wentz where you're like, man, they got thrown into a tough spot. And so the Anthony Richardson pick, I talked to Chris about it. They know it wasn't perfect.

Everybody kind of knew he had 13 college starts. He wasn't accurate in high school or college. They knew that. what they were hoping was we got Shane Seichen, and Shane makes everybody great. I mean, Jalen Hurts, second round pick, looked like the best quarterback in the league. You're like, wow.

So if Shane Steichen can't get this to work, it's not going to work. It's like, when Kyle Shanahan's like, I'm going to give up on Trey Lance. Okay, that told you right there. He's not a starter. Doesn't mean he can't make the league good kid. Doesn't mean Anthony Richardson can't stay in the league, good kid. But when a quarterback whisperer says,

yeah, that's not going to work. It's when McVeigh went and got Baker Mayfield. it's like, wait a minute, McVeigh's into Baker Mayfield. That told me, okay, Baker, Baker can play. Baker's going to get, he's going to get a second or third act. By the way, when Kyle Shanahan went and got Sam Darnold, I don't need you to start, but I really like you. That I knew McVeigh like Darnold,

Shanahan liked Sam Darnold, Kevin O'Connell like Sam Darnold. I knew that, especially Shanahan and Kevin O'Connell. They really liked Darnold. So I knew he could play. I knew he could play. So, I mean, this situation where the Colts is quarterback is undervalued. You have to have one.

And so I'm going to defend people when they take swings because they're trapped because they had the late great Jim Mersey was incredibly impulsive, especially at the end. I mean, we were talking about this during the break. I feel the same way about quarterbacks. If you have a quarterback, I mean, look at the Kansas City Chiefs receiving corps the last three years. Guys are getting in trouble off the field. They got gadget guys. I mean, Brett Veets doesn't whiff a lot. Some Skymore whiffs. There's Rishi Rice problem. Xavier Worthy's kind of a gadget guy. And Mahomes makes it work. I mean, they really, they have receivers

a hard position to draft. There's a lot of immaturity at times. They've missed on some wide receiver picks, like miss badly. And they don't miss badly on much, but everybody misses on wide receiver picks. The Packers, the Chiefs, the Eag, by the way, Howie Roseman's the best GM in the league. Remember the kid they took John out of the first round of the TCU? Jaylin Rager. Rager. Rieger. Wiff. That didn't work for a first round pick. He bounced around the league. So that is an incredibly difficult position to draft wide receiver. I mean, we like John Lynch and we like Kyle Shannon. They've missed on wide receiver pick. So I guess my point is I'm defending the Colts because I think the position is

actually underappreciated relative to wins. Do you know what I think we've learned, and we've seen it now with Tray Lance, and we've seen it with Anthony Richardson. You're Parcell's celebrity quarterback. I agree. All these guys are celebrities, but he was big on the number of starts you made in college. And when you look around the NFL, even the top guys, you know, Burrell, multiple year starter, Mahomes played forever.

But let's go to the young guys. Jalen Hurst, Alabama, Oklahoma, a ton of starts, Purdy, four years, Iowa State. Dak Prescott, ton of reps at Mississippi. The reps in college, whatever level you're at matter. Anthony Richardson, Trey Lance barely played. Shocker, they were over their head when they, Mitch Trubisky, one-year starter, awful. Right? So to me, because you can't, the larger the sample size is, it's harder to hide.

Yeah, and I also think so much of, it's like golf. It's just swings. you just have to spend so much time at the driving range. So you have to be able to grab a club like a Phil Mickelson, and he knows, I mean, if you read the articles written about Phil Mickelson on his club choice and his understanding of his game, he knows to the yard what every club does. He knows what it does in the morning.

He knows what it does in humidity. Phil Mickelson knows to the yard his club's high elevation, desert, moist air, dry air, and that's just reps. No 16-year-old golfer knows that. And so when you're playing college, like I've said about Jackson Dart, if you start for three years under Lane Kiffin's offense, you are ready to play in the NFL because Lane's going to put heat on you. And by the way, Jackson had some bad starts like the Florida game.

I'm like, I'm out. But you know what? Like, he got the reps. Isn't that good? you know, Patrick Mahomes struggled a lot. Brock Purdy struggled a lot. Josh Allen. They went into all these games.

They lost a lot of games. They knew what it was like. Anthony Richardson, 13 career starts, gets to the Colts who have it. The other thing Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson have in common, they went to teams with playoff aspirations. You didn't get to go to the Jags where it's like, oh, we win six games, great.

You better win 10 or like Anthony. I don't know if Anthony Richardson is on the team in two weeks, Colin. I don't know if you can get benched in the situation and stay. I would not be stunned at all if he's traded. Not for much, but in the next couple weeks to a team, heck, like a McVeigh and Andy Reid, just bring him, let me work with him and get you for nothing. Carson Palmer is joining us.

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