The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 1 - What the Bears should do

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

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What happened? It's the hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. J. Mack, I leave for a week and we live in Juneau. There's snow everywhere. I had a friend that sent me a picture of Pasadena, and there was snow in the mountain behind us.

house. It's like 2,000 feet. I'm like, wow. But how was your vacation? Incredible. One of the best I've ever had, not just a vacation, but the whole week, just kind of being off the show, we missed nothing in sports. We left our ski trip early because where we were here in California, they were getting feet of snow. We know friends who got stuck, disastrous weekend, but we were back in time. Great to have time off. Yeah, I was in Florida. So pity you fools who weren't. It was great. All right. So we're getting to that time. Draft Talk time. I noticed a lot of that when I was gone. I'll get to the Lakers story in a second. But there's a report now from Adam Schaefter. The Chicago Bears are leaning toward trading the number one pick. So my rule has always been, if you have the number one pick, you're not very good. So you should always trade it unless there's a Peyton Manning, Trevor Lawrence and Andrew Luck, or like one of these, you know, transformational guys, John Elway, whatever it is, that it's a can't. miss and you get about one of those a decade, maybe two. I would always trade down because if you're

drafted number one historically, you're a bad team with five or six major holes. And two things can also be true. I know the internet leads you to believe this isn't the case, but two things can be true. If Caleb Williams of USC was available in this draft, the bears would move off Justin Fields. They would. If there was an A plus plus prospect, you would move off Justin Fields. And the second thing is, there isn't. So you're probably best surfed. They like Justin Fields. He's a big kid.

He's got an arm. He's athletic. He's not good at the passing thing yet. And some of the quarterbacks do have come into this league that struggle with a passing thing, Josh Allen, take longer. The two best quarterbacks in the league, Joe Burrow and Mahomes, never struggle with a passing thing. Lamar Jackson can.

Josh Allen can. The passing thing matters. And right now, he's not great at it. but the bear's best plan is probably to trade down multiple times. Not once, but multiple times. You go to a Houston with a second pick or Indy with a fourth pick. They need a quarterback. You make a trade.

All right? So you go to the Texans, you go to the Colts. And then you're at number four. Let's say you do it with the Colts. And then you get closer to the draft and somebody didn't get Derek Carr or somebody didn't get Jimmy Garoppolo because there's going to be a lot of teams. The Jets need a quarterback and the Raiders need one and the Panthers need one. and the Saints need one and the Colts need one and the Falcons need one.

And they're not all going to get Derek Carn. They're not all going to get Jimmy Garoppolo and Aaron's probably standing in Green Bay. So you trade down one time and you go to four to the Colts. And then you trade down a second time and you call the Raiders of the Falcons and you get more picks. And that's the way you manipulate the draft, which Chicago historically hasn't done. Miami did it a few years ago. It was very smart. You trade multiple times.

You don't go for the bag with one team because GMs get very reluctant. the billionaire owners hovering over. You don't want to act like you're taken. So you do a small trade here and a small trade there. And you wake up and the bears already have two fifth picks. And then you'd have two seconds and two thirds and maybe a second one. And you can rebuild your team. Because that defensive end from Alabama or that defensive tackle from Georgia

or another defensive end from Clemson is not winning new games. They are not worth a half a point. You take out quarterbacks in this league. They are not worth a point. they had Khalil Mack forever. What did it matter? Okay? By the way, many of the best cornerbacks in the league,

Sauce Gardner, they couldn't score touchdowns. Patrick Sertan, they couldn't score touchdowns. Many of the best corners, Jalen Ramsey, team fell apart offensively. So it's a quarterback league. We all know that. And if there's not a great quarterback and you have the number one pick, there's two great quarterbacks I think next year to A++.

These guys aren't. And everybody can talk about Bryce Young. Bryce Young played in warm Southern California. California and high school and warm Alabama in college. He's 5.11.5. Maybe 6 feet. I doubt it in 192 pounds. So he's way short and way light. And it's Chicago and it's cold and it's windy. And even Justin Fields, who's a big strong mobile athlete, he doesn't like the cold. If you go look at the history of the NFL and northern teams, Aaron Rogers, Big Arm, Brett Farr, Big

Arm, Jake Cutler, Big Arm, Joe Flacco, Big Arm, Big Ben, Big Arm. Most Northern Quarterby. Terry Bradshaw, Big Arm. Go look at the history of northern teams. You guys usually have a big arm. Small guys don't work. Remember, Sean Payton was talking about Tua on this show about a month ago. And if you got a top 10 pick, you do not take a player who's a little short and a little light. Let's do this.

Let's not draft small players in the first 15 picks of the draft anymore in the first round. Let's not get away from prototype. And I talk with Bill Parcells about this, Ron Wolfe, and those early picks have to be prototype players. You have to pay attention to typing. And when you're looking at the health of players and you're looking at the size of players. Baker Mayfield, a little small, didn't work out.

You can go look at Tua. When you're drafting at the top of this board, in the first round the bears have, you're not going to roll the dice in a quarterback that's two and a half inches short and 20 pounds light. Even if he was great in warm weather California and warm weather Alabama. You're not. There's a quarterback, I think, I'll get to that later. I think if I was Chicago, I would consider.

But he's not an A-plus-plus prospect. He comes with some things that concern me a little bit. Trade down, if there's not an L-Way or there's not a Andrew Lucker, Trevor Lawrence. Trade down story this morning. They're considering it, leaning. How about lean all the way in and jump into that pool? All right. The Lakers won yesterday.

I was flying back from Florida. So I watched the whole game. And Delta's got those little TVs. They're just fans. So I watched the Jake Paul fight on my little phone. It's fantastic. Worth every penny. And I watched the Lakers Mavericks.

And so let's start this topic with glass half full column. optimistic uncle Colin. The Lakers at the trade deadline had four issues. Three of the four, here's the good news. Westbrook's toxicity. He's out. Clippers problem. Didn't have enough shooters.

They've upgraded. Overall length and depth on the wing. They've upgraded. That is glass half full column. And let's get to realistic Colin. The fourth issue is LeBron. is old and 80s always hurt. And even though Jared Vanderbilt was masterful,

and the Mavericks got their own issues, and they got a lot of them, my lasting image from yesterday's W is LeBron in the tunnel limping out of it. You give me, in the last two, three years, a three-week period when I didn't see this. The Lakers got a very nice coat of paint on their car during the trading deadline. But this puppy has 286,000 miles on it.

That, sorry to break your heart. But Colin, you love the Warriors. They have Steve Kerr. Steff's coming back in a winning culture and the best coach in the game. This is an organization. The two best players, one is injury prone, and so is the other and really old. And happiness is connected to expectations.

And having LeBron for about a 10, 12 year period was a guaranteed trip to the final. now having LeBron is cross your fingers on his health, and he should be able to, should get you into the playoffs. And I do think the Lakers have added shooting and depth, a nice coat of paint. They can beat you more ways. I thought yesterday was a nice W. They got off to a terrible start mostly because the Mavericks couldn't miss

and the Lakers couldn't shoot. And Vanderbilt has been outstanding. He gives them size and length. It's a smaller league. And if you're a 6-9 guy that runs the floor, You can get a lot of points, and he did. And AD, when he's healthy, he's a monster, and LeBron is still something that has to be reckoned with. But this car, that cone of paint, doesn't change things.

To get to the next level, a championship level, you'll have to move off AD. So it's another cross-your-fingers moment. This was a nice win. It was a nice win, right? But Dallas is a bit of a mess. The West is fairly wide open, but not as wide open as we probably think. and that lasting image for me is LeBron limping out of the tunnel. If you think I'm wrong, you give me the last three-week stretch with this team

where LeBroner A.D. wasn't limping out of the tunnel, writhing in pain on the floor, or had to leave the game early. Two-week period. Go. I'll wait for your answer off the air. Okay. It's just the reality of what we have. It's the reality of what this team is. But the good news, glass half full calling is, they did a very good job at the trade deadline to add pieces that allow them to win games like this. When they don't play great, they can win more ways than they could three weeks ago. They're now four and one since they've made these moves. Four and one's good. I think they'll make it as a six seed.

Maybe playing. Here's LeBron after. I think the game will dictate what we need to do tonight offensively from the exterior. We wasn't not shooting the ball extremely well, so we have the ability to now look at ways we can be good. Okay, if we can't shoot it well, you know, we need to still get the ball popping, but we need to drive those closeouts. We need to, you know, get the ball in the paint. You know, we need to get offensive rebounds when we're not shooting well.

So, you know, to be able to have that ability to be able to say, okay, if we're not shooting well, we can still be in the game. We can still be productive. That's a key for our ball club. Absolutely. Watched every shot of it. I thought it was over beginning of the second quarter. They kept chipping away. They play now with more depth and passion. Vanderbilt's excellent. DeAngelo Russell wasn't around. They weren't fully stacked and they won. It's on the road. It feels good. I'm not saying it doesn't. But once again, we got one of our two stars limping out of the tunnel. That is the reality of what this is. So during my week off, we are kind of moving.

March 15th is when NFL free agency starts. And for about 48 hours before that, teams can talk and jockey around, but you can't sign anything. So, you know, the tampering thing is very fuzzy. Everybody's talking quietly. People are leaking stuff. And I saw the media sort of converge on a college player. And I want to defend him because it's kind of fascinating. I think there's one player in the draft that's getting a majority of the criticism and be very, very careful.

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So during my week off, for the next several weeks, here are the big stories. Got about 20, 25 games left in the NBA. Here comes the final home stretch. We have March Madness. It should be great. There's no dominant team. It's going to be a lot of upsets in college basketball. And over the next several weeks, NFL free agency and the league is much more willing to make

trades than they were 10, 15 years ago. and it's a lot of fun. So during my week off, I mostly stayed off the phone, but occasionally I would peek and I could see we start talking about these college quarterbacks. And one of them is taking a majority of the criticism, and I think he's a fascinating kid. His name is Will Levis at Kentucky.

So let's talk about precedent. Let's talk about precedent. What do I mean? Let's talk about stuff that matters we know for quarterback. So brainpower. his mom went to Yale, his grandfather to Cornell. Highly educated Northeast kid. Brain power, A-plus.

Four-point finance major. Cognitively, kids as smart as anybody in this draft, any player. Not saying he's the smartest, but he's up there. Arm strength. It's all over the internet. The kid has a hose. He's got a rocket arm. Brain power and arm strength.

Doesn't mean everything, but they matter. There's also a third component. He's been doubted. He had to transfer from Penn State. Joe Burrow had to transfer. Brady was doubted. Aaron Rogers Jr. College doubted. Kyler Murray doubted.

That is a component that we, Miami of Ohio, not Ohio State, took Big Ben. Players that are doubted get a chip on their shoulder. We've seen it before and we'll see it again. So those three components, big brain, big arm, and he's been doubted so he's not cocky. He had nothing handed to him. I like all those. But let me offer a fourth. Two-thirds of the star quarterbacks in this league, starting quarterbacks, did not go to traditional powers.

So Joe Burrow did when he transferred. Mack Jones and Tua did at Alabama. Kyler Murray did and Jalen Hertz at Oklahoma. Had to transfer, but they did. Matt Stafford, Georgia, Trevor Lawrence, Deshawn Watson, Clemson, Justin Herbert, Oregon, and Justin Fields, Ohio State. Some of those guys are struggling, some are starring, what-evs. About 10 guys went big boy college football. Two-thirds didn't.

What does that mean? It means they didn't have great players around him. Will Levis did not have a single first or second team all-conference player in offense. Translation. The receivers aren't as open. You're under duress. You're getting the crap kicked out of you. Translation, a real NFL experience.

even Patrick Mahomes. They rebuilt his offensive line this year. Guys were less open. Year before, they rebuilt his offensive line. Year before that, they rebuilt his defense. That is for a great franchise. Philadelphia was bizarrely stacked, and even at the end of the year, we found out their defense was overrated.

So I'm going to give you two players I want you to consider. The best college football in the country has been for 20 years in the South. Let me give you two quarterbacks who played college football in the South for non-power teams. Not at Alabama, not a Georgia, not at Clemson, not an LSU. Meaning these quarterbacks were getting the crap kicked out of them. They didn't have first-round receivers. They didn't have great protection. The two quarterbacks are Eli Manning at Ole Miss and Phillip Rivers at NC State.

Compare them to Will Levis at Kentucky, a basketball school. completion percentage, Will Levis is the highest of the three. Winning percentage, will Levis the highest of the three. Touchdown to Interception ratio, will Levis in line with Eli Manning. Brain power, arm, doubted, playing at a basketball school in the talent-rich South. This is what the numbers look like. 24 starts, he won 17. 66% completion percentage.

He did not have a single offensive player that made first or second team all conference. Touchdown to interception ratio? Through some picks. Four of them were tipped. Six were catchable balls. Folks, look at what works in this sport. Arm, brain, doubted.

Don't get caught up on... Well, he threw a lot of interceptions. So did Josh Allen. It's the quarterback, we doubt. Does he have a wow factor? Yeah, his grandparents and his mom went to Yale. Wow. He's got a rocket arm. Wow. Is there a wow factor? But everybody's picking on him. He's not this. He's not this. He's not this. All I see with Will Levis is box checked, box checked, box checked. He was doubted. Big brain, big arm. Yeah, you play Kentucky against you are going to have the second best player.

if you play Georgia, LSU, Florida, Bama, even most of the time, Auburn's more of a football school than a basketball school. So the Will Levis, I've had two NFL people tell me, I was texting, when you're sitting on the beach for five days, you have time to text. I text two NFL executives about my theory about Will Levis. Both said, spot on. Inside the league, a lot of people like this kid. J. Mack with the news.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I like when we align on quarterbacks. I'm all over, Will Lovice with you. Did you see the odds on Anthony Richardson shot way up to be the number one pick? Levis is tumbling down a little bit? So Will Levis playing with less talented players completed 65% of his throws. Richardson's a fascinating player.

Fascinating. There's a lot of Josh Allen there. Completed 55% of his players with Florida Gator athletes. Yeah. And I think Richardson's highly. draftable. Yeah, Levis had a kid named Wondale Robinson who was with the Giants this year. When he left, there was like

nothing this year. They had nobody to throw to and his numbers went down a little bit. I'm with you, I like Levis. Let's keep the theme going with quarterbacks. New England Patriots, QB, Mack Jones, looking to bounce back in year three under new offensive coordinator, Bill O'Brien. Jones, not great last year.

Did make the Pro Bowl as a rookie. However, his teammates aren't writing him off just yet because of a down year. Here's Patriot Safety, Devin McCordy, on Mack Jones. I think Mac has all the atangibles and the things that you want in the quarterback. I think sky's the limit. I think he's the future of New England. Any doubts, I think you're wrong. If you don't think that, I think he's a future. He's in that building right now, doing different things, working with guys, talking to guys. That's what he wants.

Listen, you could argue that he and Justin Fields are the opposite. Nobody has any concerns with Justin's ability to move, his size, his electricity. With Mac, that's all we get concerned about. But what Mac does really well is C ball, throw it accurately. Like, that's the one thing. If you gave Justin Fields that Mac Jones ability, he's an A plus plus. And if you gave Mac Justin's ability in size to move, he can't do anything off script. Nothing.

So he's a very limited. But the reality is, in this league, if you can throw the ball accurately and New England generally has a solid running game, a good defense and decent protection, it's hard to move off. People love Daniel Jones. He doesn't throw the ball accurately. Mack Jones does. Colleen, it's interesting you bring up Justin Fields. Remember they went head-to-head on Monday night football? Fields looked great.

Matt Jones was pulled for, we already forgot his name, the backup quarterback in New England. Bailey Zappy. Zappy. Would you take Mac Jones over Justin Fields going on? Listen, neither's a prospect. Right, right. Okay, one is wildly spectacular, but I have a right to be concerned about the throwing thing. Okay, speak, wait. The other one has a total ceiling athletically.

Matt Jones' number one receiver, Jacoby Myers, led them in targets, yards, touchdowns, first downs, free agent. So now you're taking like a quarterback who's struggled, and if they don't keep Jacoby Myers, who he's thrown to? Nelson Aguilar, free agent, too. He's not even great. Go to Mac Jones, rookie numbers, when he had a competent offensive coordinator. They were shockingly good. You just said something interesting, competent offensive coordinator. Well, Bill O'Roy.

He now needs a quarterback. Well, Josh McDaniels really needs a quarterback. I don't know how he could pry Mac Jones away from Belichick, but you know he would kill to do that. I don't have to love Mac Jones. But his regression last year, there's one reason for it, and it's not Mac Jones. Because Jacobi Myers got better. The running game was fine. The defense was excellent.

What happened? The organization is tone deaf to offense. So were you chalking this up? Sophomore slump, no offensive coordinator? I think Mack Jones bounces back. I think Justin Herbert bounces back. No, I think Josh Allen concerns me that he's regressing. Not everything's linear.

You have guys that they lose a coordinator. They lose a coach. I think Derek Carr is going to actually have a good year when he goes to Carolina. Come on. My jets still need him. He'll be a Hall of Fame, remember? Next up, hey, how about this?

Damian Lillard last night. Colonella and Lakers were the big story today. Damien Lillard had 71 points against the Rockets. Became just the eighth player in the history of the NBA to score over 70. Dame had 13 threes. The Lakers only hit six against the maps. Dame had 13 last night. Tied for the second most ever in a game.

Here's what Damian Lillard said. after dropping 71 on Houston. I enjoy those moments in the game when I'm just, you know, going after people when I'm in attack mode. I think any, any Hooper enjoys those moments, you know, where you're hot and you're in attack mode, you're feeling good. But it's the stuff afterward that I struggle with. Like, when I walked off the court, I was like,

do I'm like, am I supposed to be, like, overly excited or what? You know what I may? And I just high-fived everybody, but I, those are the moments I struggle with. You know, you and I, I think, hold dame and really i say after step curry is the best shot maker at guard in the last 10 years after after step yeah if you said one shot guard last 10 years i'd go step one dame one a somebody on our show oh god is a westbrook fan let's bring them up yeah a couple guys back here

are westbrook guys hey by the way how about this one damia lillard or reggie miller damian In a heartbeat. And I don't want to hear the Reggie Miller stuff. Oh, he hit a bunch of big shots. Went toe to toe with Jordan. Let's stop. No, he did. Let's just stop one.

He's go toe to toe with Jordan. Damien Lillard is a far better player. It's not even close. Damian Lillard, in a decade, in a big man's game, is the second best get-a-bucket guy in the league. Here's what stinks for Damien Lueh. I looked at the standings. They're 11 in the West.

Well, I know. That's not great. We need to get him to the Lakers. Can you make this AD for Damian-Liller thing happen? Who would you write? other have. Damien Liller, who by the way is 32 years old, or Kyrie Irving, who badly wants to be here with the Lakers. Oh, I take Dame over Kyrie in a second. Okay, thank you. Hey, Westbrook Fanball on the back. By the way, how's Westbrook and the Clippers working out?

They're only two. I couldn't stop a nosebleed. Listen, Damia Lillard, we got to get him to a contender. Like, he's a really good one. But can you imagine him as a number two on a team? They will be in the finals, whichever conference area. Why would I want to come to the Lakers? There's places I would go. It's not one of them. If I'm Dame and my agent. Where do you want to go? You want to go Philly? A really well-run organization.

I'm going to go to the Lakers. There's places I would love to go. By the way, if Denver gets whacked in the playoffs early, why don't you give Portland like a Jamal Murray? They're not getting whacked in the playoffs early. Come on. They're number one in the West. But we need to do fictitious Damian Liller trades

because him as a two would be really deadly. With pretty much any big... Joel and Bied and Dame would be something in Philadelphia. Well, and I don't see him as a two. I see him as a 1A. Okay, 1A, that's fine. Yeah, I just think you put him alongside any great star. Also, you know, he could move some merch and I wear his sneakers when I play basketball.

I know you care deeply about that. His rap career would take off at L.A. Damon LeBron and Jared Vanderbilt, that is a big three. How are they getting him? What do you have to give up? I think Damien Lillard. I think you, for Anthony Davis. What's wrong with that?

I wouldn't do that. No, I'll take Dame. Now, Dame has been brought, I looked at his stats. He's been injured the last couple years. Getting banged up. He's a small athlete. He's a smaller athlete. He doesn't play a much defense.

He's a smaller athlete. Anthony Davis is always hurt. I'm not interested. It's a shooters league. He's one of the great shooters of my lifetime. All right. I like the shots at the staff members on that. And we'll wrap up with this, Colin.

Your guy, Russell Wilson. Man, everybody. I don't know what to believe here. It's open season on Russell Wilson. According to the Athletic, they claim that Russ went to Seahawks ownership one year ago in February of 2022 and asked them to fire Pete Carroll and GM John Schneider. Apparently, it was in hopes that Russ would get Sean Payton to replace Pete Carroll. Wilson responded to the story by going on Twitter. I love Pete, and he was a father figure to me and John believed in me and drafted me as well.

I never wanted them fired. All any of us wanted to do was win. I always respect them and have love for Seattle. Okay, so I know that Russell Wilson reached out to Sean Payton well before he was named coach. So that part of the story is true. So let's just say this. Russell Wilson is denying this.

I had reported for two years it was a lot of bad vibes in Seattle. The Russell Wilson camp felt they didn't get him. The Pete camp felt he was regressing, whatever. The question is this, because Russell's denying this. and Pete would deny it and I mean it comes from somewhere and it wasn't leaked because of Russell Wilson Yeah, why was it leaked a year later right now?

Okay, well That's the question And who would leak it? It would be the Seattle side. It wouldn't be the Denver side, right? So it's somebody John Snyder, that camp leaked it So they must feel that's the case. So Paul Allen died,

Jody Allen took over. Jody doesn't, you know, Paul was a sportsaholic, Jody not as much. So is it possible? Are we confusing what demand to be fired. Did Russell Wilson and Mark Rogers, his agent, go to ownership and say, it's untenable, we just don't think it's going to work with this group of people. Is that demanding a firing or is it voicing concerns that you think you've hit a ceiling with

this GM and this coach? I can't see Russell walking in and saying, fire Pete Carroll. I can see he and his agent going to Jody Allen and saying, listen, he's a defensive coach. it's basically we run it first and second I have to save the day I just I want something I just think I've hit a ceiling that doesn't sound as harsh as fire Pete and fire John

that's not in his DNA that's not who he is or has ever been but I do think they were I know they were disappointed with the offense obviously and he had a right to be Pete Carroll loves to run the football and Russell Wilson was a great thrower of the football still can be but Pete got the last laugh

this year for now You can take the short-term win. I guarantee you Denver will be better than Seattle next year. That's, come on. Sean Payton and Russell Wilson? By the way, do you actually believe that Russell Wilson would say get this coach who I had a great run with and get this GM who drafted me and like made. There's no way that's true, Colin. It's probably in between.

Like he said, listen, go look at John Snyder's drafts and I did that. I know he had a good 20-22 draft. Fair. 2013. Nothing. 2014, nothing. 2017, nothing. No, no.

Like he whiffed on a lot of. A lot Snyder did. Pete Carroll and John Snyder had issues. John almost went to the Lions job. He almost took the Lions' stuff. So Pete and John had their issues. Pete, after the death of Paul Allen, he fell ill health into ill health. Pete had incredible power in the organization.

And I think it's possible Russell and John both. I don't see Pete as a power-hungry guy, but there was, there was a vacuum. There was an opening. And Pete, you know, Pete's this good-looking, hall-of-famish college superstructure. our coach. Pete had a lot of power in Seattle. He had the microphone and a lot of power. And I think there were egos bruised. John Snyder almost left. I just don't think it's Russell's personality to go, I want Pete out. I think it's me and Peter struggling. I think we've reached an impasseur a ceiling. That doesn't feel like. This was after the season where Russ was like an MVP

candidate for a while. And then he had a three interception game and Pete Carroll was like no more throwing. We're running the football. I remember that. Of course Russ was. ticked off. But I'm with you. I don't actually think he demanded them to be fired. I don't like the piling on to Russell Wilson. This unbecoming of Seattle. Like, you had a really good season, exceeded expectations. Now you're going to take cheap shots. And Russell Wilson? I know. I don't love it either. That's not cool. It's not a good look. It isn't. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Are you going to talk about March Madness at any point? We'll see. I don't think there's a great team this year. But I'm going to watch the tournament. I love the tournament. But I don't think there's a great team. I don't think there's a dominant. I've watched Kansas play three times.

And I've watched, you know, Kentucky's a bit of a mess. I've watched some Big Ten basketball. I don't, I've watched UCLA. I don't think there's a great team. It's kind of wide open, right? Wide open. That's good. I know.

You love, this guy, J. Mack literally bets Creighton basketball. I did. And they cost me this weekend. They no-showed against Villanova. Not a great weekend in college hoops for me gambling, but bounce back, baby. Okay.

So, listen, when I was a kid, my favorite sportscaster was Howard Kosso. He was this irascible, cranky, sort of academic guy, and he was outspoken. He talked about social issues. people would, you know, it was the first sort of the kind of guy that got people, there was a sports writer in New York called Dick Young, there was Howard CoSell, it was these kind of

powerful figures that really cut everybody in half. You loved him or you hated him. And I love CoSel. And when Ollie and Frazier ruled the boxing world, my dad was, I think more Frazier, I was more Ali. Ali pushed back on society. He pushed back on culture. And Howard Coasell loved Muhammad Ali. And he kind of bridged a relationship. I thought it was fascinating. So my early youth, as I'm watching like wide world of sports on ABC, I have this lasting memory of Ali. And remember, boxing is different and UFC is different. These are pay-per-view sports that you drive. That's why Don King and Bob Aram ran the sport for years and years out of college. I'm in Vegas. You know, you had to drive. You'd have stunts happen at the press conference. You were

trying to drive pay-per-view numbers. That's why fights often start late on a Saturday night or a Friday night or a Sunday night. Is they're driving pay-per-view numbers and waiting to hit a certain barrier? Then they let the champs come out, enter the ring. It's just the circus of boxing. I saw it with Connor McGregor. He's a marketing genius. I saw it with Ali. I saw it with an old George Foreman. He was selling a grill and he was selling tickets. I get it. I'm comfortable with it. I've lived around it. I've covered it. And that's why I like to. the story of Jake Paul. He's a celebrity. He's a great YouTube boxer. And I like this story. I liked his work ethic. He's a good kid. He's a tough kid. But he had fought a bunch of, you know,

old athletes and retired MMA guys. So this was his first fight against like a real boxer. Now, Tommy Fury is not good. He's not very nimble or athletic. Of course, there's Tyson Fury, the two-time champ. Tommy is more model than boxer, lower end, doesn't move. particularly well. If he was a defense event in football, he would be considered like a six-round edge because he's too stiff. But it was a real boxer of size that could hurt Jake Paul. So they fought, and I watched every second of it. And my takeaway is, okay, I've seen enough. The story is better than the reality. Tommy Fury was more refined, more polished, dominated. Now, Jake Paul can swing and can land a big punch and knocked Fury down for about half a second. But Tommy Fury landed more power

punches than Jake Paul landed total punches. And Tommy Fury looked like a very marginally talented, real boxer. Jake Paul had maybe the best single punch, but I had it scored in eight rounds six to two or seven to one Tommy Fury. Maybe I'm wrong. I didn't think it was particularly close. But it reminds me of years and years ago, I was at a casino. in Connecticut. And I forget which one. We were there, my wife and I, and there was a Doors knockoff band. So I loved the doors when I was growing up.

Jim Morrison, the Doors. Come on, baby, light my fire, all that stuff. Jim Morrison, legend, the bathtub. Life ended too early. Blah, blah, blah. It's a great movie, by the way. So anyway, I love the doors and I saw a knockoff band. And they were fantastic.

But I would never travel around the country watching a cover band or a knockoff band. You would do that with the Grateful Dead or you too. Or, you know, I had friends do that for Stone Temple Pilots or Pearl Jam or you travel around the country. You and your buddies, you and your wife, you and your friends. That's the real thing. But you don't follow a cover band mostly around the country. And I kind of feel like Jake Paul is a cover band, which is he's a celebrity and he works hard and he's a tough kid and he would beat me up. But when you put him against a boxer, not even a good boxer, there was a, there was a,

a gap in ability and a gap in natural talent. And Jake Paul's story was terrific. I defend it. I get the marketing of it. It's a pay-per-view sport. And the kid made a fortune. He's worth a gazillion dollars. I love Connor McGregor's story. I loved Ali, the old George Foreman. I get it. I like it. I embrace it. Boxing purists and boxing historians, just like baseball seamheads, tend to forget that there's mostly casual fans following all these sports. And Jake Paul got me to buy once a again for $44 or $49 bucks from ESPN Plus got me to buy it. I also buy UFC cards five or six times a year,

but I was buying this kid's cards. But it's a cover band. Like when you put him up against a really unathletic, limited heavyweight, he wasn't as polished. Maybe he gets better. But he started this game late anyway, right? Like he started late to begin with. He's not going to make several jump in classes.

If he was a baseball player, he'd be Adam done. Not a lot of singles and doubles, swing for the fence, a lot of strikeouts, but big time power. It was a great story, but I'm not going to buy Jake Paul. I don't want to see a rematch. I've seen it. I've done it. It's the cover band, the knockoff band. It's fun.

It can be a good night. It can be a good watch. But there you go. Here was Jake Paul after the fight on coming up short to Tommy Fury. Good fight. Go to war. You know, tough kid. I didn't have my best performance.

All fair play to Tommy. He won fair and scurie. square and that's boxing man you got to take it on the chin but it was good some good moments in there i just really couldn't get my game plan working um but hey man this is what the sports all about you win some in glorious fashion and you lose some um and like i said out there judging about my losses because i'll be back all right i won't be paying for it but it's okay i did i bought three or four fights. I like the kid. I like the story. I think his best avenue would be to fight old MMA guys and retired pro football players. That's fascinating to me. You know, you take a football player who's played,

made a couple pro bowls, retires wants to fight. That stuff's interesting. But against real boxers and real heavyweights, he started too late. He's absolutely limited. Tommy Fury's jab completely efficiently controlled the fight. I had it 6-2, could have been 7 to 1. It's okay. I respect the kid. marketing doesn't turn me off. It's pay-per-view. I grew up with it. I've seen it. I get it.

Ali was the mass. I've said this before. If Ali was alive today, in his prime, we would all love boxing. He would be Tiger Woods to golf. We would start watching a sport all the time. Start this year, slam dunk, wireless savings. Go to Consumer Cellular. 20 bucks a month.

That's it. Consumercellular.com slash the herd promo code. The herd. Did you watch the fight, by the way, J. Mack? Absolutely not. So you were appalled by it. I wasn't appalled. I just, I'm indifferent to this YouTube guy.

I don't, I just, I'm not into him. I mean, I'm sure there's a big market for them. People love them. The only time I really get into boxing or MMA is if a buddy's having a bunch of guys over, we're going to drink, you know, shoot the you know what, talk about whatever. So are you going to watch Connor McGregor's next fight? When is it? I have no idea.

All right. Are you going to watch John Jones next fight? I don't know. No, probably not. All right. Well, I'm going to watch both. You know what? Instead of watching guys, I'm out there playing sports.

You know, like, that's actually fun to me. You want to play tennis? Hey, we're going to play tennis? By the way, are you into table tennis, aka ping pong? Listen, I've mastered them all. I've retired from... There's a video on the internet right now. A professional ping pong player playing a robot.

And his robot's incredible at ping pong. Like, I'd rather do that than watch a couple of jabroney swinging each other in the ring. Well, we do get paid to watch sports, so I think you should double... Basketball, football? Soccer. World Cup. Did you watch a USA, Mexico under 17?

How did that turn out? Mexico won again. Tough one for the U.S. Okay. I didn't watch that one. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, next hour. Mark Medina's in studio.

I don't want anybody to think I'm anti-Lakers, but I'm telling you, I watch that game, and it is a basketball team that has more ways to win because of the upgrades and shooters, Jared Vanderbilt, size, and some youth.

But when LeBron's limping out of the tunnel, that's what this team. Tell me how far you have to go back. Find a three-week period in the last two years where AD or LeBron isn't limping out of a tunnel, taken out of a game early, writhing in pain on the floor. That's what the team is.

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