The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 1 - Yankees win game 2, the Dodgers dominant win over the Reds, Vikings have a decision to make, Urban Meyer

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Colin Cowherd breaks down the key difference that propelled the New York Yankees to a Game 2 win in the AL Wild Card Series against the Boston Red Sox, setting up a decisive Game 3. He also dives into the Los Angeles Dodgers’ dominant series win over the Cincinnati Reds, and explains why this Dodgers lineup could go down as one of the greatest in MLB history. Colin also talks about why the Vikings have major decision on their hands at QB Urban Meyer stops by The Herd to talk about Colin's criticism of Penn State HC James Franklin, the University of Miami this season, Alabama's huge win over Georgia, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are live in Chicago. It's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. A lot of baseball first hour. Greg CoSell, top of next hour. We'll go to New York later in this show. My buddy Ian O'Connor is going to stop by. who's been covering the Yankees for a long, long time.

J. Mack, it's just the wild card. See, this is what the NBA should do. Three games. You don't need to go back and forth. If you're a top seed or a better seed, we don't need to go to Fenway and Yankee Stadium. We're playing in New York.

It's three games. It's three in a row. You earned it. I don't know who I like. Two young pitchers going in game three tonight. But the bottom line is massive urgency. NBA first round seven games. I don't have to watch.

You have to watch these games. I mean, just unbelievable last night. Now we get a game three tonight with two young arms going. So let's start with this. The best thing the Yankees had going for him last night is that Garrett Crochet wasn't pitching for Boston. Basically, he's, I mean, left-handers hit 166 on him all year. So he didn't pitch. And it was the Yankees who had the better starting pitcher last night.

Red Sox went to their pen early. So the Yankees have Carlos Rodone going. He won 18 games. So before the game started, oh, good. We get one of our races. And the analytics department, thanks to analytics department, they allowed Ben Rice back in the lineup, Jack, 2-0 Yankees.

So now they got the better pitcher. Now the analytics department upstairs said, yeah, we'll allow Ben Rice, the Dartmouth kid with real power. Okay, he's not a great fielder. He gives them power. But what this game was about is on this night, it was the Red Sox that were making the mistakes. Let's go to the fifth inning.

Aaron Judge hits a ball to left field. Usually reliable Boston outfielders. Clank it. Yankees take the three-two lead. So in game one, it was the Yankees making the little mistakes. Last night, it was the Red Sox that were. Then we go to the top of the seventh. the Red Sox had another opportunity.

Two runners on, nobody out. And they get a lousy at bat. They pop out a bunt. So prime example. And then they load the bases up and then they fly out. So they just got bad at bats. And Fernando Cruz is able to get out of the inning. And Cruz was fired up.

But again, a high leverage moment. And the Yankees are the ones that deliver. Now we go to the bottom of the 8th. Jazz Chisle. Who should play every game? Give me a break. Athletics, defense, base running. He got a walk, was off and running on the 3 and 2

circles. The bases, bang, bang beats the throw. Austin Wells delivers. So again, high leverage moments, the analytics department, you guys love the crush Kora and crush Aaron Boone. The guys upstairs are set in the lineup. Oh,

Ben Rice is allowed to play. Bang, Jack, 2-0-0. Jazz Chisholm needs to be on the field. Athlete, defense, base running. I don't care what analytics says. Get him out there. All right. Then we go to the ninth inning. The Yankees closers. Wrap it up. So, again, we just love in baseball to crush the managers. Game one, Garrett Crochet, give me a break. He's a horse. I mean, you're already in a huge deficit.

And the analytics department's like, no, Jazz isn't going to play, and Ben's not going to play. Well, were those guys pretty valuable last night? It's almost like Ben and Jazz were, like, super valuable. So, you know, a lot of this stuff, I mean, jazz is, like, addicted to baseball. I mean, he's like lives, breeze, eat, sleep, goes home. He's playing baseball, you know, on PlayStation. Some guys you need to have in the lineup. Like athletes, they can help your defense.

They can help you around the bases. they just bring juice. So this was just, to me, this was just a game. Then all these high leverage moments, the Yankees start the game with a better starting pitcher, and they, in these crucial moments, got the hit, got the defensive play, moved the base runner over,

and it was the Red Sox, not the Yankees in game two, that made the little errors that get magnified in these massive games. Here's Aaron Boone after. I thought our defense tonight was, you know, Really, really good. Turned a couple big, big time double plays, did some good things on the bases,

a homer by Benny to get us rolling. And then, you know, the bullpen closing it down after Rodo gave us enough there, even though he struggled a little bit there in the 7th to get us, you know, through 6, set us up and able to hang on. But what a game. So Jazz Chishol reportedly will play tonight should. I mean, again, you're watching the Yankees play. You're watching his defense, his base running, his intensity.

He's just juice. He's got to play. Will Ben? We'll see. But he's a big stick. It's a short porch in right field. He's been on a heater hitting in September. I'd play him too.

Yeah, I know lefty, righty, lefty analytics, but there are just players in big moments you'll want out there. It's a short porch in right field. Have a guy who hits line drives deep in the lineup, regardless lefty, righty, and he's hitting well. So, I mean, to me, I'm not. anti-analytics guy but i mean yankee field if you got a power hitter from the left side of the plate and he's hitting well over the last three or four weeks just play him just play him

baseball postseason's always been about stars in big moments delivering and i don't think there is a favorite tonight you got young pitchers who knows okay let's talk dodgers um you know for as much money as they spent. It's a terrifying experience to watch the Dodgers in the seventh and eighth innings before they get to their closer. So they had 13 hits and eight runs. It's one of the all-time great lineups.

Mookie Betts last night's insane. Mookie Betts gets four hits, three RBIs. Remember early in the year, he had a stomach virus. He had a terrible, like career, terrible slump. Well, he's on a heater now. And listen, the Dodgers just have too much talent. They just

overpower Cincinnati. The Reds are a young team, they're still, they're good, but they've got holes that the Dodgers don't. But we said yesterday, the Dodgers stars have to deliver at the plate, and they also have to get excellent starting pitching. And last night, they scored eight runs without a home run. So it's interesting with the Dodgers, they can grind out at bats too. It's not just home runs. They can grind out at bats.

They also got Yamamoto, Yashinobu Yamamoto, their best pitcher came in. He was dealing after kind of a rocky start. But then you went to the bullpen. yikes, then you went to the bullpen, and it's a nightmare. They threw 41 pitches in the eighth inning, the Dodger bullpen. In fact, in the sixth, seventh and eighth innings, the Dodgers bullpen threw 84 pitches. Watching a Dodger game, if you're a Dodger fan, is literally like watching a horror movie with a great cast. You just wait to the last 10 minutes and see if your favorite survive.

So this is one of the all-time great lineups with a double the AAA bullpen. Now, the glimmer of hope is Rokeezaki, they brought over from Japan. He's a 23-year-old. He throws absolute gas. They've moved him to the bullpen. They're going to need him to be great against the Phillies. Because that Philly lineup, it's a lot scarier than the Cincinnati Reds lineup. And so the glimmer of hope for the Dodgers is, okay, can the starters go seven and two-thirds?

And then can we go to our closer? Because if you've got to use those seventh and eighth inning, guys, it is a problem. They're struggling with the Reds. You're not going to Philadelphia and holding those leads. So there's a way to win. You hold your breath. They didn't hit a bunch of home runs last night. They grind out at bat. They move the runners over. It's singles, doubles, driving in people. But the primary concern against small market Cincinnati was once again on display. And here's Dave Roberts in the locker room. There's a lot of work to be done. My only ask is that that every single guy be ready when called upon.

Keep your mind right. We're going to eat every single one of you guys. Stay in it, stay focused. Keep playing for each other. Let's go. I mean, it's all hands-on deck against the Phillies. I think my gut feeling is I would take the Phillies. I think, you know, old lines that are bad can't win Super Bowls.

Patrick Mahomes been blown out twice in Super Bowls. A bad old line, you can't win it all. this bullpen problematic all year long. I will say this. It keeps every Dodger game interesting. Like every Dodger game is interesting. And Yankees, Red Sox tonight, who knows? Two young pitchers.

I mean, who delivers? But I do think it's interesting. You know, managing the Yankees, I've known Aaron Boone for a while, managing the Yankees is, I mean, it's just different. Games in New York are different. It's like games at Georgia, Alabama just feels different. You know, there's just certain parts of the country where stuff matters more. These Yankee games in Yankee Stadium, I know it's not maybe as good as the old Yankee Stadium.

It's a lot nicer stadium. But who knows? I mean, you don't right tonight, all hands on deck. I mean, with the Yankees, seriously, if the game was 4-4 and you go to the ninth inning, would the Red Sox bring in Garrett Crochet for two batters? I think you'd have to. I mean, wild card round. Got three games.

You're on the road for all of them. And if you're the Red Sox and you need two outs, you go to your big left-hander. I think it's all hands on deck. J-Mac, that was fun last night. That was really fun last night. It won't be nearly as much fun tonight as the Rams hammer. Well, we'll talk about that soon.

But a big week for New York, right? Yankees win last night in a thriller. They're probably winning today. And you know the Jets are delivering it home on Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys. You know, I don't know about the Giants. I don't know if they'll make it a trifecta. This year, the Red Sox have played great at Yankee Stadium.

So I don't know. If I had to flip a coin, I'd probably say Boston in a close game. Okay. But I mean, I don't. But my takeaway is on the Yankees is the Yankees is the Yankees. The Yankees were at a deficit in game one starting pitcher and lost. The Yankees had the better starting pitcher last night and won. And the difference was the Yankees made little errors in game one.

Red Sox took advantage. In this one, little errors by the Red Sox and Alex Cora, excellent manager, and the Yankees won. But remember, the guys upstairs in the analytics department, they're set in the lineups. So Jazz Chisholm, he's not playing. Well, you watched last night. You saw his defense. Yankees' defense was excellent last night. You saw his base running.

So, you know, it's, I don't like, I mean, in the NBA, the head coach sets the rotation. In the NFL, nobody's telling Andy Reid who to start. But in baseball, you're told, I mean, yesterday before the game started, I saw the Yankee lineup. And I'm like, oh, that's a better lineup. I mean, he's got jazz in it. That's a better lineup. So I don't know what we'll get tonight. I think it'll be an all-timer, classic, and I can't wait.

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story out today is that the Vikings are in a little bit of a dilemma, and the headline today is, is it too early to question what the Vikings did letting Sam Darnold go? All right, so Sam Darnold was great in Minnesota, much better than I think J.J. McCarthy could ever be. I really believe that. He had 35 touchdowns, 12 picks, 4,300 yards last year. It was unbelievable on the road. I don't think J.J. McCarthy is that. Darnold in Minnesota had a 103 pass rating. Darnold in Seattle is a 107 passer rating. He's an elite athlete. He is big. He is strong. I always said he's somewhere between Carson Wentz and Andrew Luck. He's a really, really big time talent. It can be a little reckless, but if you give him a good coach and

structure, he's a baller. He's a great player. So that's the first thing. thing is I think they wanted to sign Sam Darnold, but they wanted a bargain, and Sam's agent, and Sam said, no, I want to be a starting quarterback without some young guy hovering over me. So the first thing, I'm going to defend Minnesota. It is really hard to find a franchise quarterback.

Really hard. Go look at the Jets since Joe Namath. Or the Dolphins since Dan Marino. Cleveland, let's not even get into it. I mean, the Saints have only had two really elite franchise quarterbacks in the entire franchise history, Archie Manning and Drew Brees.

I mean, strangely, Cincinnati, weird cheap Cincinnati, always gets quarterback right. Kenny Anderson, Boomer Asiaston, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton made the playoffs four times in Joe Burrow. Yeah, small market frugal to the point of being cheap, the Bengals have always nailed it. The Chargers who disappoint fans always you kind of feel deep down the ender at cheap. The Chargers get quarterbacked right. Dan Fouts, Stan Humphreys took him to a Super Bowl, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert. but I mean Tampa's been around since 19 what 76 Baker Mayfield's the first quarterback they've ever had to make multiple

Pro Bowls so it is hard to find a quarterback and we bang on Tua but I mean you know the dolphins let's be honest he made a Pro Bowl they had the number one offense with him but he feels small it's hard you take Tua you keep him you extend him I guess I didn't like the contract so it's very hard the second thing is once you draft a quarterback, like J.J. McCarthy in the first round, first round, are you going to cut bait? What are you supposed to do? Not play him? He's played a couple of games. And one of his quarters was great. The other seven, not so much, but, you know, he's young. I thought he was overvalued. I thought he was more of a second round quarterback, but, you know, whatever.

But what are you going to do? They wanted Darnold, but they wanted him on a discount. They liked Daniel Jones. They wanted him on a discount. Well, Daniel Jones wants to start without J.J. McCarthy breathing down his neck. and Donald wants to start. So I mean, Donald and Daniel Jones are like, well, you got this young guy behind us. The minute we struggle, go to two-game losing streak, we're out. So I don't blame Donald.

I don't blame Daniel Jones, and I don't blame Kevin O'Connell. You got to play him. He just looks like he's a little overwhelmed. And Kevin O'Connell, as this season now is it a tipping point, does it circle the drain, talks about their quarterback position. We played a lot of guys at the position, and we've tried to navigate those times by, you know, being at our best for that player. Ultimately, try to do the things that they're most comfortable with,

and that can be different when you think about Kirk Cousins to Sam Donald to J.J. McCarthy to now Carson Wentz, and there's been others that have played at a really high level and helped us win some games along the way as well. So I think it's just, you know, it's not leaving any stone unturned. Minnesota feels like the Indianapolis Colts. Good roster, well-run, smart GM, excellent offensive coach, and you for the last several years are looking for the quarterback. I think Minnesota's well-run. I think you have an excellent coaching staff.

They got star players everywhere. You're limited in this sport without a quarterback. College football, you can win a Natty without a great quarterback. Canton the pros. And Indianapolis, I've been saying this for two years. everybody's banging on the organization and the GM Chris Ballard. I keep saying, they got dudes. I followed the draft.

They drafted players. They got like seven, eight elite guys. They have a great old line. They just didn't have a quarterback. And so, you know, everybody, it's like banging on Major League Baseball managers. Folks, the lineup is set upstairs. I mean, what if JJ Reddick drove to the arena in Los Angeles and the analytics department said, here's who has to start and here are the first three off the bench?

I'm not going to give you all the heat when you look. lose. So I think baseball managers used to set the lineup. They don't anymore. Jazz Chisholm, you're told he's not playing. The numbers say he's not playing. Well, then he does and you're like, oh yeah, he's got a lot of juice. He needs to play. Then Ben Rice, no, analytics

say, there's a lefty. That's funny. He played last night, 2-0-0 Yankees. So I hate to be really hard on organizations that I think are well-run, the Vikings and the Colts. It's hard to find quarterbacks. I mean, I can give you like six franchises. I mean, God, before Brady and Baker showed up in Tampa, and they have a great gym.

They were bailing water for years at quarterback. It is hard. Jay Macklin News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Start with the biggest story in the NFL, and that's the injury to Lamar Jackson. The Baltimore son is reporting he's going to be out two to three weeks, but John Harbaugh,

I don't know if this is gamesmanship or he just doesn't want to talk about it, but he is being a little combative with the media regarding Lamar's injury. Here we go. I really don't have any information on that, and I really don't think it matters. You know, it's not really what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about the team, getting ready to practice, and Lamar's working. You know, he's doing a great job. You would say, David Day would have him.

How would I just don't say anything? That's what I would do. I just don't want to take anything out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we just leave it alone, and we'll just... We'll be out for it. Yeah, the injury report, thank you. The injury report will be out of four.

Yeah, real funny. I mean, we gamble on this league. We do Survivor. We do fantasy. He cares deeply about that. The least you can do is just come clean. He's out. Just say it.

He's not practicing. And there is a chasm, a difference between when Lamar plays and when he does it. So we have the stats. When Lamar's in, the two-time MVP, shocker is awesome. Ravens are dominant. I've told you before. Without him. I've told you before.

I've said this 10 times in the history of me hosting a radio or TV show. I think the NFL should ban the injury report. Oh, stop it. Come on. I mean, the last thing you need is to tell the other defensive line, yeah, the left guard's got a bad knee. Go ask Mark Slarath. If you knew a defensive tackle had a bad shoulder, you'd go after the shoulder.

Oh, that's what I think the NFL should ban injury reports. Who care? I mean, listen, I love gambling on football. You got to keep the players safe. It's about all these sports have one rule. Protect the athlete. That is the number one rule. Make sure you don't put them in the crosshairs if everybody knows, hey, right guard's got a bad left ankle.

What are you going to do? Dive your helmet into his ankle. Come on, we're not attacking injury. Come on. I think you have to have this stuff. Come on. Who does? The fans.

The millions of people who watch the games Who go to games? Why does a fan have to have a knee report on a left guard? Listen, I don't need specifics on the exact injury, but we need to know if these guys are going to play or they're healthy or not. You don't think that stuff's relevant? It feels like a hippo. Colin, we talk injury reports here on the show every day, Monday through Friday,

the whole football season. That's huge. You're just taking that out now and we're just guessing? If I miss a day of work, Fox cannot tell people why. And I'm just a radio TV guy. But in the NFL, a pro league worth billions, if a player's hurt, you've got to be specific. I know you were a quarterback at high school, but you're a TV radio guy. I shouldn't.

I just don't like the injury. If I was a coach, I would be Barry John Harbaugh and Belichick. I'd be like, we'll see. Okay. Well, it looks like it's Cooper Rush and the Texans are favored by one and nine. half. Next up, Colin, another injury-plagued game, and that's tonight Thursday night football. I know it doesn't have the glimmer that it usually would when Shanahan and McVego at it, but no Purdy, no Jennings, no Pierceall, no IUC, so that's wide receivers one, two, and three,

and QB1, and Kittles out, and Bosa's out. I mean, this is, this is rough, and you can see what the lines. Well, at least they have their best quarterback playing. Wow. Wow. Mac Jones, he and Christian McCaffrey and Fred Warner basically against the entire Rams team. I'm just curious, this is a divisional matchup. No, it'll be close because it'll be a touchdown game. Are you taking the eight and a half? I'm not.

I already told you it's five and a half. Five and a half. I loved the Rams. This is one of those lines you had to jump on early. That's not always the case. Sometimes you do get better lines closer to the game. This line and all the, you kind of hemming and hauling on the injuries, we're all like, oh, they're kind of beat up.

This was the second best bet on the board on Monday or Tuesday. Now it's a stayaway game. Now, listen, the injuries are a story in the London game. They're all over the league. It's a thing. I am going to just ask you this. Do you think that Shanahan is a little tick that he's got to play a Thursday game against his division rival early in the season?

He's just like, guys just sit out. We don't need, I mean, are we going to see McCaffrey get shut down after a quarter and a half, two quarters? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think coaches like Thursday games, but it's the machine known as the NFL. So some streamer comes in and gives them billions of dollars and they say, okay. Yes. Final story, Colin, oh gosh, we got to talk about him briefly.

The Shedur pantomime yesterday. I mean, we've never seen anything like it. The internet was just went crazy. But of course, Dion Sanders keeps the flame going. He went on Instagram and backed up his son. Here we go. Good one, son. You did that, huh?

with like a bunch of laughing emojis. Well, he's a dad. He should support him. He doesn't care what we think. Dad should support their son. Yeah. Do you think he cares what the NFL thinks? Well, I mean, that ship feels like it's almost sailed.

People have made their mind up on Sodor Sanders as a kind of marginal talent who's a little silly. But, you know, this is such a weird story. I don't want to pick on Sodor Sanders. I know. People think that, but we're not. Remember, I was here the day of week of the drive. draft saying, I think Shador's going top five. He's going to be, come on.

I thought he was a late first, early second round quarterback. I watched him play 15 times, 10 times at Colorado. Accurate move, well, tough. He got sacked all the time. He was a tough kid, but, you know, I was wrong. Just so everybody knows, like, no people who analyzed the draft thought he was dropping in the fifth round. So this clearly is something that everybody missed that teams were in lockstep on.

Like, we don't want to get in bed with this. We just don't. Listen, I've put some of the blame on Dion. Some? Some? By the way, Super Bowl week on radio, going to Radio Row and saying, hey, we don't want certain teams to draft him. I thought it was a huge, huge mistake. By the way, sometimes dads, moms love their kids so much, you know, they squeeze too hard. And so I thought that was a huge, huge mistake.

And the NFL said, oh, okay. And then we find out the Ravens and the Eagles were interested. And basically the memo, the message was sent out. Now, we don't want to be backups to Lamar and Jalen Hertz. I thought that was a mistake. I think when you're in your 20s and a really good corporation calls, and they don't pay it quite what you want, and you don't get the position quite what you want, take it.

I'm not saying you do that when you have kids in your 30s or your 40s and 50s, but in your 20s, opportunities from great companies don't happen. We've seen all these great college athletes go to horrible teams and have their careers wrecked. If the Ravens and the Eagles call, go. I'm not saying if you're a. an established guy later, but go. There's just not that many well-run NFL teams. If Google comes to your college campus is like, yeah, we're interested in you. It's going to be, you're not going to rise to the top instantly. Yes, Google, I'm coming on board. Let me get my foot

in the door. Somebody told me this when I moved to the Northeast for 11 years. They said, when you go to a private school in the Northeast that they have legendary boarding schools, it's not for the academics. It's for the connections. You go. You know, people always say that about Stanford. Cal is easier to get in, but they'll flunk you out. Stanford's impossible to get in, but once you get in, they don't want to flunk you out.

It's all the relationships you make. It's the same thing. Go to the Ravens, go to the Eagles, somebody will spot you at practice, eventually get a job somewhere else and go, that Shadur kid was a hard work. worker at practice. I mean, how often does that happen in the NFL where a coach hires a coach or a player follows a coach because they really formed a bond and they're not like stars? You're just like, no, no, no, I coached him over here. Let's bring him on and give him a bigger role. So it's, I mean, like, you go look at Sam Darnold's career. He goes to San Francisco

and Shanahan's like, I love the guy. And then Sean McVeigh is talking to Kevin O'Connell and Kevin O'Connell's like calls Kyle Shanahan. They're all buddies. And Kevin O'Connell's like, okay, let's go buy Sam Darnold. Well, because he was with the Niners not playing. He was a backup, and they're all buddies, and they're all talking. And that's how Sam Darnold's career started. Sitting on the bench in San Francisco, watching Shanahan, and Shanahan calling people in the league and saying, I love the kid. He practiced hard.

He's a great, great teammate. That's life. That's how it works when you're in your 20s. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. this yesterday, Cubs Padres

going to a third game. I think I like Chicago here. San Diego has a way to play. I mean, they went to the bullpen. They pulled their starter in the fourth inning. He hadn't given up a run. They just want to get to their amazing bullpen. And so, in

this game at Wrigley, San Diego scores first, and their two best players, Tatee and Mani Machado, you know, they provide the offense yesterday. So Mani Machado comes up, fifth inning. Bang. There it goes. Suddenly it's 3-0.

They scored in the first inning. You get two runs there. Tatea walked. Machado jacks it out. Three-nothing. Yep. With that bullpen, good night. I mean, they surrendered.

That bullpen for San Diego surrendered one hit in five innings. And again, they pulled their starter in the fourth. He hadn't given up a run. They want to take a quick lead, and they want to get to the bullpen. And the bullpen, most notably, is Mason Miller, who throws absolute,

Gas, 102, 103. He actually threw a 104.5 pitch, an all-time postseason baseball record. So, I mean, again, this is how they have to play. Their two best players, Machado and Tettis, have to create offense, and then they want to go to the bullpen early. So San Diego had the fourth most wins in baseball scoring three runs or fewer. So immediately, when they take a one-nothing lead, you're like, I mean, seriously, that That may win it for you.

You just got to get to the bullpen, and here's Machado on the W. The little postings is about, man. It's a beautiful thing to be playing here in front of these crowds and, you know, what's on, you know, what's at stake. So, you know, our boys went out there and, you know, competed as well as you can. Sometimes you've got to hit it soft and not hit it as hard, you know, to get stuff going. But, yeah, I mean, as soon as there, it's just got to continue doing it and continue grinding. and having good at bats.

You know, most teams, now Milwaukee can beat you with singles. They can beat you with starting pitching. Milwaukee can beat you with a bullpen. They've got power. Milwaukee's rare. They can beat you in a million ways. The Dodgers, by the way, can beat you with home runs. They can grind out at bats.

They can beat you with starting pitching. Everything's about avoiding the bullpen until you get to, you know, the very last closer. So the reality is most teams in baseball have a way to win. Even though there's not a salary cap, some markets, there's limit. San Diego, Machado's got a hit. Tateith has to be somewhat productive on offense. Let's get to the bullpen by the fifth or sixth inning. Or sooner.

That's what they did yesterday, and they even up the series. Urban Myers around the corner, Greg CoSell, huge college weekend last weekend. I've got a lot to talk about. You know, it's so funny, Oregon, all these former Pac-12 coaches are complaining now about the Big Ten travel. and my take is you're the ones that were begging to get into the conference and now they're all like well we travel too much well i mean nobody was watching you when we were in playing the other conference and you want to be in the big 10 it gets cold and we're complain about the weather again i mean it's you're making a lot more money in the big 10 jena big 10 yesterday did some i think they're doing a two billion dollar deal

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And Urban Meyer's going to join me. So Urban You went four in one against James Franklin, and I have defended him forever. I defended Ryan Day when he was losing to Georgia in Harbaugh. I'm like, okay, who's he losing to? And I've defended James Franklin. But when you have an NFL quarterback, the better offensive roster, you're favored, you're at home, you got to win that game. And I thought, Lannning and Dante Moore, like I think for the first time ever, Urban, I thought James Franklin deserves criticism. Is it fair?

Well, certainly it's fair whenever you're at a blue blood place and Penn State is. But I brought this up on Big Noon, Colin. and I might have said this to you last week. I've been in Columbus when you lose a game and walking off that stadium and life ends, as you know it. I mean, the world goes dark. In Ann Arbor, you lose a game, and I mean, the nasty, etc., etc.

that you see there. Penn State, the pageantry, the whiteout is second to none. However, I've been at Penn State when we won some close games, and I walk off the field and, you know, it's a head coached in a couple years and the nicest people, and I'm thinking, I wonder if deep down, that I'm not saying it's good enough, but it's just, it's not life or death. So I don't, I think he's doing a great job.

I think, you know, you talk Ryan Day, he's got a Wolverine problem, and Penn State's got a couple problems. Everybody's got their little flaws that they've just got to work out. So is criticism right to answer your question, yes. Is it time to make a change or even talk about that? Absolutely not. So you coached in the SEC, and I've told people before, is I knew the SEC was different when I worked.

in Tampa, I was a sportscaster, and I went to cover to do a Florida Gator story. Spurrier was the coach. And Bobby Bowden was at Florida State's Furrier. And it was Wednesday. And I showed up to Gainesville, and there were people parked in the parking lot on Wednesday. And I'm like, I grew up a Husky fan. Like, we love the game, but we didn't show up until Friday night or Saturday morning. And so I felt Kalen DeBore beating Georgia in Athens.

And I'm counting Nick Sabin. I don't know of a bigger regular season win at Alabama. I went back last night and Googled it in the last six years. You've been there. You watch that. What do you make of how hard it is at these traditional powers to get support? Oh, it's beyond hard, and it's not something you just get overnight. It's something got to be sustained.

And certainly, you know, you talk about that win. I don't want to say that was a job saver, but it was a job saver. I mean, that was incredible. That was to go into between the hedges there. You know, I've never been there. I've never been to Athens, Georgia, but everything, you know, first of all, you beat a great team. But also, and I made a comment on Big Noon, that is a big boy win with there must be some some tough ass guys in that Alabama locker room because they came back from, I mean,

they were dead and buried after that first loss. People were counting them out. Now they're not being counted out at all. Yeah, and I thought the coaching was great. I thought, and I, Curry Smart's great. I thought Kailen out-coached him. And I think it, and that mattered. It wasn't a fluky play.

It wasn't officials. It was like, that was a game plan. Okay. So I watched Ohio. I thought Ohio State would win. I thought it would be closer. And I got to tell you, it's interesting. I think Ohio State is playing with so much confidence off winning a national championship.

It's like, when I watched that Texas game, I'm like, they just were really confident. They didn't panic. they slowed down the offense. I watched them at Husky Stadium. That place has engulfed great coaches. There is something about winning a natty, but when I watch them now, they feel different than they did. That moment they lost is a favor to Michigan.

The last four or five games they've played coach, it feels different for Ohio State. And it does with a whole new set of coordinators, a new quarterback, and a bunch of new players. And Ryan Day, you know, someone showed me that he'd be past New Rockney. You start, whenever you say the words, Newt Rockney, the name, Newt Rockney and your name next to it, that's pretty cool. So we've won a few national championships. The year after sometimes can be really hard, at times miserable.

I don't feel it at all. And I talk to a lot of guys still within the program. And I think what him and his staff are done is nothing less than maybe the best coaching job yet, to have two wins, to beat Texas, to go on the road across the country and go into that environment against that. That quarterback, to me, is a stud. DeMond Williams Jr. I mean, he's a monster to hold them. They're playing a whole different level of defense than anybody else in the country right now.

You play defense like that, Colin, you don't lose. If you think about this, walk into the offensive staff room and say, if we score two to three touchdowns, we win that game. That's what they're doing right now. Yeah. You know, it's Miami looks the part. They're big physical.

I always thought Miami was about 70% a confidence. college football job and 30% a pro football job. Because they don't, they're not like college. It's not about the band. They don't have this massive following. It's a pro market. And so it's interesting. There isn't quite the pressure that you get in the Big Ten or the SEC,

but it's also harder sometimes to revenue and keep assistance. Do you think Miami is officially back or it's just NIL, it's this year? What do you make of their kind of resurgence here? What I like the best is their coaching staff, their head coach, and consistency. He's been fairly consistent. I went back because I'm doing part of Big Noon. I'm going to cover this game, the Florida State, Miami, and not that long ago, Colin, the winner of this game won eight national championships.

So it's great to see there's a little bit of a, think about that. The winner of this game back in the Bobby Bowden and the Jimmy Johnson, you know, that era, a Larry Coker era, they won eight national titles. winner of this game. I'm not saying it's there yet, but I like consistency. I've always had respect for Christopal. No, that's his home. If he can't do it, then I'm not

sure in our lifetime Miami will ever be back. So I'm not saying they're back yet, but this is as close as it's been in 15 years. Yeah, they definitely passed the eye test. I've always said college football is better when Texas, Miami, and USC are winning. It just feels bigger. It just feels

bigger. By the way, Dante Moore. all these Pac-12 coaches now I just saw a story this morning they're all complaining about the travel and the Big Ten and it's like oh stop it it's not hurt in Oregon I think Dante Moore if I if I was an NFL GM Dante Moore would be my first pick I'm serious I thought he blew me away in that game what did you make of it? I love we covered him I stood next to him he's not really the biggest guy but I've watched him play his performance at the end of that game and overtime was

phenomenal. He is the most humble lead-by-example type guy. The coach loves him. Dan Lanny loves him. I would just, I've always pumped the brakes on that because I think that's the one position that you need time. You need to be time tested. He has not been time tested yet. You know, it's going to, you know, I

had Dwayne Haskins, rest of soul, but when people started saying the word he should leave after one year, I would always pump the brakes and say, not that position. And he left. And I still think Dwayne would have been maybe the number one pick overall if he came back. I just think that position,

there's none like it at all. And once again, I'm not well versed enough in the other sports. I am in football. There's no position like quarterback. Yeah. The amount of stress that's put on you every snap knowing what everybody has to do,

not having a bad day, not having a bad snap. So I think at some point he will be, I would pump the brakes and just his body work has to grow. I love the kid though. Yeah. Stoic, calm. and all that pressure. Yeah, really?

Emotional. You seem to get emotional after that win? Did I what? See him get emotional after that big win? That was beautiful. It was a beautiful thing. Yeah, I thought it's just a neat. I mean, I covered the Oregon program.

That was one of the biggest games in the history of the program. I really believe that. That was an unbelievable, for them to travel 3,000 miles and win that game is something else. We watched Bama go into Athens, Oregon go east. Those were huge wins for those programs. Huge. Urban Meyer, great seeing you as always. Thanks, Colin.

Thank you. Urban and I worked together last weekend. We were on that college football show, reportedly in that segment. Ready. I'm staying in the biz. Popped. We'll check for yourself that pop. Greg Koselman.

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